Success to me is when I think about all the things I've done

and I think the world and others, when they read my bio, they're impressed

with the law degree, the success in business, all of that kind of stuff.

But what I am, what I feel most successful in is as a mother.

Like I could have fallen down in those other things, but if I would've fallen

and I made plenty of mistakes and I cry about it at least a couple times a week,

I say, Lord, help me to forgive myself cuz my boys have already forgiven me

Hello everyone.

Welcome to Seek Go Create.

This is your host, Tim Winders.

I'm an executive coach and I'm excited.

Today I get to talk to another coach cuz as coaches we love

chatting with each other.

This is where here at Seek Go Create, we challenge the

conventional definitions of success.

We're gonna poke a lot of holes in the word success today.

We're gonna explore stories of transformation and we're gonna do all that

in leadership business and in ministry.

Today I'm talking to Judy Weber.

She's a Christian business coach for women and she's the founder of Judy Weber Co.

And she's got expertise in scaling business.

And I love the words that describe one of our products.

It's the joyful.

Scaling method, and we're gonna speak about those.

We're gonna talk about that.

She's on a mission to help high achieving Christian female CEOs build and scale

their business with simplicity and joy.

Love that.

Judy, welcome to Seek, go create,

Thank you so much, Tim.

It's an honor to be here.

glad you're here.

And you're coming from just outside of Charleston, South Carolina.

Yeah, but I gotta say I'm a Philly girl.

I'm a transplant, so

Did they let you in?

Did you, did they have any kind of, quote or anything?

Said, no More Philly people, down there, they.

you know what's so funny?

I'm sorry to interrupt.

I have to say that since we moved here two years ago, when my husband

and I go out to eat, a lot of North Easterners are coming down here.

See, I'm telling you.

So my wife and I, yeah, we grew up in the Atlanta area and we were

born there, so we just kept watching the people from the north come down.

And so, uh, but yeah, that's a, that's a beautiful area you're in.

So let's do a little pretend here.

Let's just say we just bump into each other, which we sort of did,

but I've done a lot of background checking on you and re reading and

listening with podcasts and all.

But let's just say we just meet and I say, Judy, what do you do?

What's your answer?

What do you usually tell people?

the short answer is I'm on mission to normalize miraculous

results for women in business.

And I come from nothing and from nowhere.

one of six kids, very poor people like me, didn't do half of what I've already done.

And because of that, looking back, that's what brought me to my life

mantra, pursue the impossible.

And I teach my clients how to do exactly that.

Interesting.

and primarily your audience would be women,

Yeah, all Christian women, that is who I work with.

So there's a few things there.

We're gonna get into more details cuz I'm probably gonna poke at

you and say, why just Christian, why women, things like that.

But before, before we do that, there's something that was very intriguing about

kind of your background and your story.

So this might get us off to a good start or shaky.

Start.

We'll see.

we'll just see where it goes.

But, but I noticed that you had a background as a trial attorney.

Did I read that correctly?

Yes sir.

You did

tell me more about that.

Cuz I, this I'll just go ahead with the bad joke.

I'm always intrigued by how attorneys end up being Christians, but that's, sorry.

we'll we may edit that out.

We probably will need to edit that out.

We'll see.

You know what's so funny?

I will say that the most awesome part about my time as a trial attorney in

Philly was walking from the parking garage to the courthouse and talking

to the homeless people on my way.

And so I purposefully, I don't like to park in parking garages.

That's one of my things.

So I would walk, anyway, I would park far away and I'd had five or six blocks to go.

And so I would talk to them and at first when I talked to them, they're

look like, why are you talking to me?

Cuz I'm dressed like an attorney and I have my briefcase and all the things.

and can I tell a quick story about that?

Sure, go ahead.

Okay.

One time, when I was on trial, and so every day for two weeks.

I was walking back and forth with all the bags and all the things, but

there was this one guy who got to know me and he is you know what, ma'am?

If you really, if you could really help me, I'd appreciate it.

I, uh, you know, down on his luck, this and that.

and as we talked by, I'd say God bless and all that.

So they knew that Jesus.

So here's the day I go, look, if you come back here tomorrow morning when I walk

by at 8:00 AM I will give you some money, but it's gonna come with some conditions.

Are you okay with that?

And he goes, yes, ma'am.

Long story short, I hold some money in my hand and I say, here's the deal.

This money's not from me.

It's from Jesus Christ.

And I went into that whole spiel, right?

So I said, so here's the deal.

I need you to promise me, number one, you understand that it's from

Jesus, so you have to thank him, okay?

And I was telling him who that is, whatever.

And then I said the other thing, this can't be for liquor or drugs.

Okay?

This has gotta be for food.

Do you promise me that's what it's for?

So I didn't realize, right?

Like next to me catching the end of this was a woman in some fancy schmancy car,

whatever, like a main line of Philly is like the Mount Pleasant here in this area.

it's like the ritzy bity, the rich people, whatever she gets out of Big S U V.

And so I walked toward the court after I hand the guy the money and she

goes, you just threw that money away.

I said, excuse me, I'd like to say, excuse me, make 'em say it

again so that they understand what you're saying is ridiculous.

So she said it again and I go, ma'am, I may have changed that

man's life, but what he does with that's up to the Lord God almighty.

I don't regret giving him that money.

And she just went, But if they don't understand the power of

Jesus Christ, Then to them that would just be that I was a fool.

I wasn't a fool.

That's right.

And it's really not your role.

It's not our role.

For what happens next.

we're just, I planting the seed or being obedient or

whatever it is that, that we do.

So anyway.

Yeah.

that is really cool.

so I feel like there's a few stories here and I think I shared this

with you right before we recorded.

You got a great podcast, the Joyful Scaling Podcast.

I went in early this morning and I listened to about three or four episodes

and one of the coolest ones, I went back a couple of years and listened to one where

you interviewed, I think two out of your three sons that, I think they had just

graduated from Liberty University or two of'em going into ministry and I don't know

the youngest one, I think Ben didn't wanna be on the podcast or something like that,

which is typical with children, right?

you got a couple of 'em participate and one may not, but, But one of the

things that I just, I picked up on is there's like stories here and we're all

about the story of redefining success.

I do wanna say for the person listening in that we're gonna dive into some

tips, some things that business people need, specifically women.

We're gonna do that shortly, but I like to dig in and get some story first.

So you mentioned, you've already mentioned some things that intrigued me.

I wrote down six kids grew up poor.

And then I've got the whole trial attorney thing.

And then somewhere along the way you made a transition from Philadelphia down to,

the south, near Charleston, Somerville, down there and started working with,

with Christian, Christian business women.

wherever you wanna start there, keeping in mind redefining

success is what we're looking at.

Cuz it sounds like you've done it at least a few times.

You've repositioned or whatever pivoted what, whatever words we want to use.

So what do you think you should share about those?

Okay, so because I was raised poor, I didn't think

I could do a lot of things.

So you hear a lot about that these days.

Oh, people like me don't X, Y, or Z.

I thought that too.

So we, I'm just gonna say this and you, whatever.

But look, we shouldn't look at anybody and think we know their life.

You might look at me and say, look at my bio there.

Oh, she's done a lot of things.

She must have come from money.

No, sir.

I did not come from money.

And I'm grateful that I didn't because there's two things I had

in my home growing up, Jesus Christ and a whole lot of love, and the

most encouraging parents ever.

They made their mistakes, but they were just amazing in the way that

they, and mom said, look, Jude, be a leader, you leader or follower.

I want you to be a leader.

I want you to be a leader.

And she herself had been raped at the age of 10.

So I always say that she poured into me from an empty cup.

I don't know how she did it, but for Christ, right?

And long story short, When I finally decided, and that's a key word in my

teaching and coaching, decide it's one of the most powerful things we can do.

Decide to follow Christ, decide to go all in on your business, right?

But when I decided to go to law school, then, it was downhill from there.

Okay, great.

Now I decided, now I applied.

Now I'm in, and Judy does well in school, always.

So I decided to do it and I accomplished it.

There was some whips and labs through the way, but I graduated in the

top 10 and then I got this great job and I thought, this is great.

I'm gonna coast all the way.

What happened is, Michael, my first came along, I started that job in August of 95.

I found out I was pregnant in January of 96, and I couldn't have

been more excited and more happy.

I didn't understand my mom.

Oh, so wise.

Even though she's a stay-at-home, wife.

She said, Judy, when you enter this man's world, be careful.

I laughed.

I said, mom, it's 1995.

I'm thinking to myself, she dunno, nothing, but don't, it didn't take

long for me to realize that's the case.

When I announced that I was pregnant, I was blacklisted.

That means I'm off the partnership track.

How dare I wanna have a child before I, I'm just a first year

attorney and all these things.

so that was like my attorney thing.

And so I remember thinking, gosh, this office is so neat and I'm looking out at

Philadelphia and I'm like, I don't care.

I knew this wasn't for me, but I remember years later, my brother's

like, Judy, don't you regret spending a hundred thousand dollars

or more on your law school degree?

And I said, heck no, Rick.

I said, I use that every day in business and I've used it every day since.

And that learning how to think strategically as a winner each and

every time, and problem solving and decision making, that's what I do

and that's what I teach my clients.

So in the way of, this idea of what is success?

I finally came to realize that success isn't chasing what

the world tells you to chase.

It's listening to what the Lord God is calling you to.

one more last story on that.

In 2019, this summer, I spent on my couch with a notebook and a Bible and tissues.

I was crying out because I had just left a business with my twin sister.

I loved her.

She was my best friend in life, and I didn't think that if

anybody said we couldn't work together, I'd say, you're crazy.

You don't know this relationship that I have with my twin sister.

And there was a time, I'll tell you, Tim, I didn't know that the

relationship itself could be salvaged, but praise God, but God, right?

So anyway, that was the summer that I listened to the Lord and

he said, Judy, I don't want you to focus just on real estate ladies.

That's where I was before.

I was focusing on real estate brokers and team leaders and

agents who are really going for it.

But he said, no, you need to expand it to other service providers, but

all women and Christian, and why, and years later, it all came so clear

because he is the root of everything.

I teach mindset and strategy.

So there's a little peek into that.

I'm sure you can probably dig a little bit deeper with some follow questions.

I've got a lot of, lot of digging to do.

I'm sitting here taking notes and I'm trying to decide which way to go.

I think what I'd love to do first before we get away from, I'll call it

Judy, the early years is the way you were raised and then going down the

path you went, I'm sure that you were either doing very well financially or

had the definite possibility of doing well financially when you started

in that attorney, an attorney role.

T tell me about your mindset about money coming from very little.

Yeah,

all of a sudden in a role that is perceived as having a lot,

and maybe you were having a lot, but it probably was the hope of partner.

I mean, I know a lot of, a lot of, of course, that culture, the business

culture is the future money, but tell me about the mindset of money you had

growing up and then what it did for you when you started having some come in.

Cuz I'm always curious about that.

Yeah, so good.

I still struggle with some money issues, some stumbling blocks, because ever

since I was a little girl, I heard things like making money is hard.

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

Money doesn't grow on trees.

Rich people don't trust them.

They're greedy.

They don't care about people.

They're a-holes, basically.

all things negative when it comes to that.

And, the sad thing was when I got into that law firm and I saw not only how

they behaved in the courtroom and in the office, but also at family events.

This, at this law firm that I joined was like, it was actually

in Wilmington, Delaware.

because a country girl like me was actually afraid of Philadelphia.

So I was afraid of Philly.

So Wilmington was a smaller city, so I could do that.

But, we had a lot of personal, interactions outside of the

office cuz this was a really great firm, did so many things, black

tie affairs, like just so crazy.

But one time I was pregnant with Michael, it was the summer, I guess

when I was six, seven months pregnant.

And I saw.

This cute little two, two year old boy running up to his mother.

I didn't know who she was because behind him was this, looked like a 20 year

old girl who was chasing after him.

And she, he was like, mommy, mommy.

And the woman was like, she looked, she didn't even respond to the boy.

She looked up to the nanny and said, get him off me.

busy.

That's why we hired you.

And that's just one of a couple stories.

so that just confirmed what I always said.

Like, how dare you, like this is a child that the Lord blessed you

with and you're, it was just, it was sick and disgusting and I was

holding back tears as I am right now.

I'm very emotional and I remember I came home to my husband and I

said, I never wanna be like them.

I never wanna be like them.

In more re more recent years through coaching and maturing in the Lord, I

come to know that I can have as much money as the Lord will bless me with.

And never be like them.

Like their way, the way that even a majority of rich people are doesn't

define who I will be as that as well.

And so that was like mind opening.

But see people, back then, we didn't think, we didn't have these conversations.

we didn't have attorneys on speed dial.

We didn't have friends in high places.

So there was always this mystique and it was a negative mystique about them.

so that was my early days of this wow, I actually have money now.

I don't know what this feels like,

Did you ever find, one of the things I noticed about myself,

my wife and I have had discussions about this too, because we were,

I don't think we were raised.

Poor.

I don't think we could say that we would be in that middle, mid middle,

maybe low middle, depending on where we were in the pecking order in the

Atlanta area where we were growing up.

But I, but we also had some similar programming in that you wanted to do

well, but not too well, there, there's a success, financial success, but you

don't wanna be like the people you just mentioned, and I'll pose it in

this way as far as the question goes.

You work with a lot of people.

I work with a lot of people also, and it's, you notice things in other

people that you sometimes need to work on in yourself also, which

is, some people don't ever look at, I think you're okay with this.

Don't ever look at coaches and say, oh, they're perfect.

They've got it all together.

No, everybody's, we're all working on things together.

It's just, so sometimes we can see it in other people better than ourselves, but.

Number one, did you ever notice, sabotage is a strong word, but did

you ever get to places and go, Ooh, I don't belong here, let me back it down.

Or later you looked back and backed it down.

I wonder about that with the positioning that we were in at one

point, and then let's relate it to people that might be listening in,

that you've seen in other people.

If you've got a story or a situation or someone, that can be helpful because

I do think this money conversation is important for business people.

Yeah.

the first thing you said that came to mind when you said sabotage and I don't belong.

I never really thought that.

I felt that, and only recently, and I don't know that it relates

to money as much as being ever mindful of other people's time.

okay, how do I say this?

I love to be the center of attention.

I'm an extrovert.

I love to be the center of attention.

Hello?

And anybody wanna see me?

Do anything?

Say anything?

You agree?

You're like that too, right?

But I came to realize in a high level mastermind that I was in,

when it was my turn to talk, I felt like my own insides felt I wanna

ask the question and move along.

Cause that's what I am.

I'm very like this.

I'm like, let this go.

I'm not a BSer, right?

And so after the call, I felt like, why do some people just linger

and they've already gotten their answer and yet they keep, going over

meanwhile, hello, shut up please.

So somebody else gets a chance.

So it's not really money related, but as far as I'm like, you know what?

I need to be okay with taking up space and not feeling selfish because I'm

taking up space in that container.

And so I was thinking, wow, I wonder if any of my clients have that.

And so I wanna be mindful of that.

And then as it relates to marketing, and even having big goals, and

I know I'm going farfield here, what I found is that because we're

Christian, a lot of us have this hangup, I think especially women that.

I can't have my goals too high.

Cuz then they, all these scripture come up in there, they're perverse,

they're perversions of scripture.

Like money is the root of all evil.

Or, this idea of selfish ambition.

So we really just need to be grounded in and fully rooted in the word of God

and understand that there were many rich people in the Bible, not the least

of which is Proverbs 31, that Proverbs 31 woman was a serial entrepreneur

and the Bible specifically says 31 18, she was profitable in her trading.

So we shouldn't feel, guilt or shame or any of that for that.

So I don't know that's exactly where you wanted, but that came up to my brain.

No, I think that's perfect because, and in some ways

I think we're just allowing the Holy Spirit to lead and guide a

conversation here, which I think is.

Probably the best one, cuz probably I could have an agenda.

Probably you could have an agenda, but let's just kinda let it flow

here because I agree with that.

I think, and of course the whole root of what I hear you

saying is what's our identity?

where's that identity rooted?

Is it, we don't belong at the table.

I don't belong in this mastermind.

I don't belong around the corporate board table for whatever reason,

because of my sex, because of where I was raised, because of whatever.

I think that's typical and common in a lot of business settings and a lot of

people have to address that at some point.

and, then we've got this whole, let's go ahead, like you brought

up, let's throw this in the mix.

It's This programming of, I need to keep my eyes on Jesus.

It's all about Jesus.

But yet I need business strategy and marketing plans too.

I need strategy.

I need to be focused.

I need to, we'll get into hustle, culture and all that in a little while,

but you know, I need to go, go, go.

I need to get all this stuff done.

And I think that's gonna give me an opening maybe for my next question

that I wanted to get a foundation for before we just start exploding

into a lot of other areas as far as business strategy and scaling.

How did you.

What was your spiritual walk coming along?

you mentioned that you were in a household that they obviously knew who Jesus was

and, there was probably some church that was involved and things like that.

And was it that you, did you come out of the womb as a Jesus

follower and you just progressed along the way without any hiccups,

backslides, or anything along the way?

Or what was that spiritual formation story like for, for Judy?

Ask, it relates to my boys, so that'll be interesting for you.

So I thought that I was a Christian.

I was raised at Lutheran, and nothing wrong with Lutheran, but I personally

today think that denominations are not of the Bible and they caused a

vision and all that, blah, blah, blah.

so for me, I thought I was saved.

I was in a head-on collision in October of 87 weeks shy of 22 years old.

And I always say, thank you, Jesus.

You didn't take me out then because I don't know that I would've,

I don't know that I was saved even though I thought I was.

And why I say that is, until my late thirties, I didn't see how

the Bible stories of old that I've heard a thousand times had

anything to do with my life today.

And so by God's grace going through a horrendous, like pre-divorce,

when I found out my husband was, into porn and a workaholic, all

those things, I came to Christ.

And it began when I started going to Bible study when my kids were little, and I

forget where the verse is, but they were saying a woman by her own hands is either

building her home up or tearing it down.

I busted up crying so much so that they stopped the whole

Bible study all hands on me.

They could just tell that was it.

And I realized I was so angry and impatient.

I told you I'm emotional, but that was a turning point for me, and I praise

him for that because at about that time I had started my first business.

This is back in oh three when, I was home with the boys and

I loved interior decorating.

I was not at all trained.

I was H G T V trained.

Okay, no, no degrees.

But I loved interior design.

So when I decided that's what I was gonna do, I got a booth at a home

show, and I was very strategic.

I'm a lawyer, so I think to win.

So I said, what am I gonna do to get the most out of this?

And so I had all these things about how to attract people to my booth.

And I secured in that weekend, 14 appointments.

Ultimately, when I went through all of them, I walked away with 10 clients outta

the 14, and then I was great, but I was like, oh my God, how am I gonna do this?

But as I was going to those appointments, I happened to listen to Christian

radio, talk Radio was the only thing that came up on my radio about that.

God is so good.

And Charles Stanley and, Charles, oh gosh.

Saw these names.

Now they're gonna, they're gonna fail me.

but I listened to Christian radio.

And, David Jeremiah was one of them also.

And that is when I'm like, oh my gosh, this makes sense.

They're tying in Old Testament to New Testament.

And so with that, and then I was really further studying in my Bible study and

that was the beginning of coming to Christ where I knew him as a personal savior,

not just some beautiful man God who died on the tree for me and came back to life.

And now because of that, I go to heaven.

Now I get it.

And now he is in my thoughts, so that the music I listened to before,

I can't listen to it anymore.

and the books I would read in the magazines, I can't do that.

And the TV and the movies, I can't do that.

And slowly he was sanctifying me.

And as we talked before, we hit go my, my, my children,

that's my most sanctifying work.

And so it was so neat.

it was tragic in the way that my marriage was falling apart.

But it was the most beautiful thing because me and my three

boys, and I think they will all say this, we came to Jesus together.

We came to know Jesus really together because we go to church, not because

we have to, we can't wait to get there.

I love praising Jesus Christ everywhere.

It's how I talk to him.

I like to have music in the background.

And he and I chat.

And now my oldest is a worship pastor, which is insane because in

fifth grade all he wanted to do was study software and be a tech guy.

It's that's so not him.

So many of you know the coming to Christ.

But I feel like I thought I knew him later I realized I didn't, and now I go

harder on him and I go harder and harder.

And by that I mean we need to stop saying what we believe and

live what we say we believe.

Otherwise, we really don't believe it.

so that was, we'll call that a redefining success moment, it sounds

like that you had, and it sounds like from that point on, there's been a progression.

Of, at least growth and all.

And I love that your boys were in involved with that because sometimes

situations, it sounds like you were in, it could have, there could have been a

separation, it could have, they said, you know, no mom's doing this thing.

parents are going through stuff.

We're gonna, we're gonna do our own thing.

So that, I think that really is a cool thing.

Now what did it do?

Because I think this is one of the big challenges with kinda like the

programs and the things that you have, is that it's not just business,

it's not just what we're doing is, to quote unquote make money.

But we are doing it with our faith front and center.

and I do think, I know that many people struggle with that now.

Real quick so that you know this about me.

I was actually saved in a business setting, so I've never separated them out.

I was in my late twenties and it was a multi-level marketing business.

I went down with 5,000 people and it was just like, bam.

So I don't really even sometimes get the church thing as much.

I'm like business guy and this is where ministry is for me.

but I do know that a lot of us struggle with that identity because we start

reading scriptures, we get around church world, we get around religious people.

That's what I heard you say earlier when you were talking about denominations

and they start programming us in ways that I'm not sure is entirely

healthy either for our success and for what we're trying to accomplish.

So talk about some of the biggest challenges that maybe

you saw after that experience.

And you're moving ahead.

It sounds like you've been through at least a few businesses since that time.

You said that was around oh three.

Is that right?

Yeah, that's

So in, and then you're working with your sister.

I don't know if that was a similar business, but what are some of the

challenges that your faith, not some of the perks and benefits, but

the challenges related to business?

And that verse in Matthew, I think it's six that says you, you can't serve two

masters, can't serve God and mammon.

That sometimes messes with us as we're pursuing that, that mammon

Okay.

So I'm gonna talk about challenges in the law and then entrepreneurship.

challenges in the law was, when I was gonna stand up firm, but sometimes

they would want me to do things that I didn't feel strong in and I wouldn't

budge and they didn't understand that.

and I'm gonna fast forward when I was in-house counsel, years

later, actually my boss said, okay.

You keep talking about Jesus.

He was Jewish, by the way, but not professing.

So he wasn't anything if he asked me.

But anyway, I don't know that, Lord, forgive me.

But anyway, he would say, okay, Judy, but yeah, I know you love Jesus.

Pinya.

Put Jesus on the nightstand, on the table.

Okay, what would be your answer?

But for him, I smiled and I said, there is no answer because he is in

me and I can't take him out of me.

That would be like me being dead, therefore, I don't have an answer for you.

He didn't understand that.

So that was a challenge.

I'll tell you, my best day in court was the Holy Spirit was talking through me.

I know that, I was high for I all the rest of the day.

so I, Jesus even.

But that, and that's before my kids.

That was before oh three.

Jesus was a part of my life, but he wasn't in my walk.

But as far as an entrepreneur, the biggest challenge are not my best clients.

Like, when I started my first Facebook group back in 2017, some

of the people were like, why are you talking about Bible verses?

We're talking about real estate.

This has nothing to do with it.

And early on at that point, I was like, oh, maybe I shouldn't.

Right?

And even my twin sister at the time, who loves Jesus as well, she's yeah,

Judy, I gotta, tread lightly on that.

And I'm just like, what?

And now she goes hard for Christ, just like I do.

It's so funny.

but so that was challenging.

And I'm like, okay, it's about who has a problem with it, and do I care

more about what they say or about what I'm hearing from the Lord?

Like that I always tell my ladies, you gotta fully embrace who you are in Christ.

you can't hide who you are.

And so any challenges that you have in that, you really need to say, okay, is it?

it's, it's a hardship.

it is something in front of me that I've gotta somehow overcome

or get around or whatever.

But I don't know.

I guess I'm not, I don't know that I'm giving you like where you thought

I'd go, but I look on challenges as, okay, great, you're in front of me.

How am I getting around it?

Again, that lawyer in me just always comes out.

So I never really looked at that as a challenge, per se in my business.

So if you can think of an example, then maybe I'll say, oh yeah, that was the

case, but I really can't think of a

I like the example you brought up of the, the other

lawyer, the person you were working with that basically

said, compartmentalize your life.

Compartmentalize it, take the spiritual, the Jesus out and tell me then and see.

One of the things I think we do is in our culture, society, there's a lot

of com compartmentalizing going on, and I think the, as we grow, I think

that those compartments come down as we grow in Christ, as we grow in our

spiritual walk and we are who we are.

but I still think a lot of.

I guess business people, maybe I did it, maybe others, it's kinda

like I've got my, I got my work life, then I've got my spiritual

life, I've got my, my, my marriage.

I've got my raising the kids.

I've got maybe hobbies.

I don't have any hobbies, businesses, hobbies.

but I'm sure people do have hobbies and also, but I think that's one of

the things I was trying to dig out.

But I'm gonna hold the thought because in a little while we're

gonna talk more about some tips and some ideas for the business person.

And I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull it back in at that time.

I, I wanna shift just a little bit here because, so you went through

a few iterations with business and you've done a few things.

like most of us, and probably most people listening have done, we've

been through the, the things that we, I don't wanna say that we're

trying to find that we like, but.

Sometimes I've wondered as an entrepreneur if it's just, I

don't have a long attention span.

I just want, I just wanna go do something else.

But, but you said you, you did some work with a family member, with your sister.

What was that business?

Let me say how to ask this.

What was the business, it sounds like it ended up in an interesting

way, I'll use the word interesting, but that things are okay now.

What can you tell us about that?

the reason why is that in oh eight we had business with family and it was

very challenging as things were going through, all that was going on and

we all probably messed up some way.

There is restoration in the relationships, but it was

extremely difficult for a season.

So I think there might be something for us to learn from.

From your experience there, what would you like to share?

So good.

Okay, like I said, she's my best friend.

And so this was us coming together as coaches to teach those in real estate.

Now, at the time, I was either a full-time lawyer and a part-time real estate agent.

not at the time, but prior to this, I was either a full-time mom or a

full-time lawyer and a part-time agent.

So yes, I was a award-winning.

Yes, I was a multimillion dollar producer, but she was the superstar.

So we started this business as 50 50 partners, but I always deferred to her

because she was like the true real estate guru making almost a million bucks a year.

I didn't approach that because that wasn't my lead thing.

But I came to realize over time that.

And I don't know that she would admit this, but there was always

some sibling rivalry between us.

Like I was the smart one and she was the popular one.

And I was the one that did all these things.

And she always did great in sales and she got straight A's once she finally

cleaned herself up and went to, not cleaned herself up, but she wasn't

into drugs or anything like that, but when she got her act together, she is

Do we need to edit?

Do we need to edit that out?

Is that something her sister finally cleaned herself up.

we all need to clean ourselves up from time to time.

But at the end of the day, my point to all that was I was happy to defer to

her because we had decided to specialize in real estate and that was her go-to.

When I came to realize through the rest is that there was always this

jockeying in her mind, jockeying of position, And then eventually it was

like, okay, I'll defer, but I'm not gonna be like a glorified secretary

here and combine that to, I'm all about the profit, not just the revenue.

And she just wanted to like all, we put on this event for 500 ladies

and it was the most amazing event.

We had amazing people there, both on stage and in the audience, but I'm like, we

don't really have to buy eight uplights at a couple hundred dollars a pop.

that's not gonna make a difference.

Oh yes, we do.

And there's other things like that.

And that's how it broke up.

And there was a lot of ugliness around it.

her husband had said something to my husband that was derogatory against

me that my husband then shared at that point when everything was breaking

up and I was just really hurt.

How could she say that?

How could he say that about me and how could she, cuz they were so

close, how could my sister not know that her husband said that about me?

And oh my gosh, did she think that about me?

Like she was doing me a favor by doing business with me, going

into business with me instead of looking at me as a true total asset.

Right?

And so there was a lot of that.

And I remember saying, Lord, I hate her.

I hate her guts.

that was just me being raw.

And I said, Lord, I know this is bad.

Help me healthy.

I take that feeling away, And thank God that he did.

And of course my husband, I'm very forgiving my husband a little bit longer

and I don't even still, I think he still has a little bit wrinkled up about that.

But, it was hard.

And it may be, I see now when people say, don't go into business with family.

And because of that experience that I had, I would always counsel

anybody and everybody do not.

Okay, because we're, if anybody would've said I couldn't work with my

sister, I would say, you're insane.

There was a lot of hurt there.

Do I regret doing it though?

See, I don't regret things.

I don't regret.

It was a learning experience, so God intended it.

Otherwise it wouldn't have happened.

But yeah, there's, it is a lot of hurt, but I'm a quick

forgiver, or at least I try.

so one thing about that, Judy, and thanks for sharing that,

because I think there's a lot of value to people listening in because to

what I hear is why partnerships need to be structured a certain way, Yeah.

You were, y'all were twin sisters, which either enhanced or hurt

depending on, because I'm guessing she's a strong personality also.

Correct.

She

and so I'm gonna ask a couple more questions that you may or may

not know the answer to, because I think there's, th this is a good learning point.

Do you really think it was a 50 50 partnership, or should it

have been structured differently?

I know this is hypo, this is hypothetical, but this is so that we can kinda

this is so good actually because I'm a lawyer too.

what

yeah.

Should it have been 50?

I can't imagine neither one of us would've caved if it were 51 49.

So that I know is the reality, knowing us.

and my husband, God bless him, doesn't have an entrepreneurial bone in

his body, and I wouldn't trust her husband to have been a decider of

any ties, to bring them into this.

But it did come to a stalemate where one of us had to give, and e each one

of us felt like we were the one that was constantly giving to the other.

And so we're both more mature now than we were then.

And it wasn't that long ago, 10 years or whatever.

But, as a practical matter, That is not optimal when two people are 50 50

because there's no tiebreaker and there's nobody else to, for lack of a better

word, be a referee on some of those

then what about this, what about the roles?

were they d defined?

Well, we, we sort of defined the roles well, but I'm not sure

that we should have been 50 50.

We had three companies and it probably should have been skewed with.

The different companies, like one company should have been, 75, 25, 1

should have been 60 40 and the other one maybe 50 50 or something like that.

You know what I mean?

And we needed to, one of us needed to be president, c o of one company and

someone be the c f O of the other you.

You know what I mean?

did y'all have that or was it just like two awesome people coming

together and say, let's go into business together and we're twins too?

Yeah, I would say the latter.

Like back then I didn't know then what I know now.

And she was officially the c e o and president and I was the vp, but there

were no, we basically had the same roles except that because she was the leader,

like she would be the one that would be speaking upfront and that kind of thing.

So it's a unique situation for you when I hear that with the three companies.

If they were the same people, then the first thing that came to my mind

is then, I don't know how many there were, but if there were three, that

would be perfect because one is the lead here, one is the c e o here,

another one here, another one there.

And then your roles would be more, easily defined.

I think that our immaturity in actually being entrepreneurs, even though I

had been one at that point for 14 years or about that time, and, because

of our relationship, we just didn't imagine the adversity that we would

be and the controversy that would arise from being in business together.

Yeah, I think the biggest thing I say, and I'm interacting

right now with some people that are.

I'm interacting with him.

I'm not really engaged in a formal capacity, but they're going

through some partnership struggles because they didn't discuss this,

and this is a tough thing to say.

They didn't discuss the divorce when they got married.

Unfortunately, in business, I don't think you need to do that in marriage,

but in business, what does it look like?

When we split?

Before we even get started, and most people don't discuss that.

I wanna shift though, I wanna start talking about joyful scaling and the

word joyful just jumps out when I go to your stuff because joyful is

not a word that we really bring into our discussion in culture, society,

business, spiritual church world.

None of that comes in with joyful.

So how did that come to be?

Give us the formation story of joyful, the joyful scaling the pod.

I guess there was a podcast and your company and all of that.

So when did that come to be and how?

Yeah, that's totally a God thing.

That's totally a god thing.

when I was thinking about how my, my, what my approach to business is

and how I would teach others what I had learned through the years, joy

was a word that the Lord gave to me.

And you had mentioned hustle a couple of times.

Hustle, it was almost like glorified.

In females, oh, I'm, I go hustle.

I'm a hustle, I'm a hustler or something, and it's just like, why

Boss babe.

Boss babe.

Which

Boss, babe.

And that to me, that was never that.

I was never that.

And, anyway, I, and you know what's funny, I'm gonna digress.

It came up the boss Babe, and these words, okay.

In 2014, I started a nonprofit.

It was called Powerful Woman of God.

And I did a live event in my church, and I abbreviated it and called it pwa.

Do you know, everybody raved about the event, but one woman

said, that's degrading to say pwa.

It's powerful woman of God.

I am not a pwo.

Anyway, everybody can take issue with words.

So it's not about nomenclature, but to me it's about the force behind the words.

but with joy, what came to me was that was the acronym of my original methodology.

It was the jumpstart, optimize and yield.

So that's how that came to me.

Now, that was earlier on and more recently I've taken those same general concepts,

which I'm happy to talk about if you like, but now it's not the Joy acronym.

It's something a little bit different.

But it's those same s scaling strategies, for lack of a better word.

So and when was this?

When did you, when did all of this begin forming up the, kinda like the

current, company and companies that you.

Have, I guess you call it Judy Weber Co.

when did all that come to be and, and begin developing?

Yeah.

it was the summer of 2019, and I'm actually Judy Weber.

Judy Weber, l c, but I trade as Judy Weber Co because it's cooler, I like

does sound cool.

Yeah, I decided it.

And plus Judy weber.co.

They didn't have judy weber.com.

If you go to judy weber.com, it's a very flaky site.

So Judy weber.co, Judy Weber, co made sense.

so it was at this time when I knew that I had to come up with my own

methodology because I'm a lawyer.

I love ip.

IP is what makes your company valuable and what makes you unique so that nobody else

can steal what you do and do what you do.

that's where it all came.

Now I forgot the rest of your question.

so summer of 2019, which was interesting, it's pre covid.

I'm gonna maybe ask a question about how you transitioned, pivoted, did all

the words we've been throwing around via covid and, but, but so you're four

years in and I could tell from looking at things, you've worked with a lot of

people, you've done a lot of things there.

You've got 300 plus episodes on your podcast and, just bring a lot of value.

But, I think what I wanted to ask, there's two words that I want to tie together

here and just have some discussion about, cuz I think they're foundational.

One was that word joy.

So we may have already addressed that unless you wanna say

something else about it.

But the other is that word hustle because you just like me.

And a few other people is kind of becoming a theme of our show here is we're

almost becoming the anti hussle people.

I did an episode in, I did an episode probably one of our biggest episodes,

got the most play on social media, I think around the first of this year.

We recording and releasing this in 2023 called Jesus Never Hustled.

Why Should You and it's, it was fascinating teaching.

It was just me on Mike doing it.

But talk about it because I get the feeling from talking to you, your

energy levels and things like that, that you're probably really good at hustling

when you decide to, and you probably have done it quite a bit in the past.

Would that be accurate?

absolutely.

I, that was proud of that.

I was so super proud of the fact that I could do anything.

I could outwork anybody.

No doubt about it.

you don't need anybody.

Cuz if it is to be, it's up to Judy, right?

You could do it.

You could do it on your own strength, your own power.

And then somewhere along the way, Jesus comes in and says, release everything,

operate in Sabbath, relax, live with joy.

I find this is something I find, I'm gonna mention this and you

can say something about it.

I find that when you are truly immersed in that hustle culture,

it is impossible to live with joy.

What are your thoughts?

I.

It's virtually impossible.

Yes.

Or to going back to something else we said com compartmentalizing on Sunday

morning when you're not thinking about it.

If you are a hustler, but you're in church, maybe then you could

experience some joy because you're in his presence, the pre the presence

of the Lord, and you're not thinking about work even for that timeframe.

But here's what I've learned about hustle.

You get to a place where you're just exhausted.

And you say, Lord, I don't wanna keep doing this.

if this is what I have to do to sustain my business, ain't having it.

No thank you.

And then one of my coaches said, you know what?

If you make your money and hustle, that's how you will always feel

like you have to make it like there's no other way to make it.

So what if you could sign the clients you wanna sign, make the impact you

wanna make, and have the money that comes along with that at such high levels,

but it doesn't require you to overwork, overthink over hustle and through years,

of this coaching and self-coaching, like I developed this model, I call it the faith

fuel thought model, where I learned to manage, I teach, I've learned, and God,

that was a direct download from the Lord.

And I teach my clients how to manage their mind, which is really how to stay

outta the drama and identify a lie for a lie and God's truth for the truth.

That it is, but really, success isn't really about the doing.

It's not even about the strategy.

How do I know that?

Because how many people out there have done all the things and

put in 10, 12 hour days, right?

And they follow these gurus and they implement these

strategies and it doesn't work.

You know why?

Because it's not the doing, it's the being.

Who are you?

Going back to your point, see how all this comes together?

It's identity.

Everything goes back to identity, which is, I say success comes as a result

of who you believe yourself to be.

Now that's that's not this crazy worldly stuff about I say who I am, okay?

It's, I believe who I am in Christ.

So that goes back to again, am I living my faith in my business?

Am I living out what I say I believe?

Or am I really just paying lip service to that?

Meanwhile, I leave the Lord who I love dearly on the, what do you call it?

The desk.

Meanwhile, I'm just gonna do my thing.

Thank you, Jesus.

I'll call on you.

But now it's time for me to do my thing.

You've gotta do your thing with Jesus at every moment.

And when you realize that, and it's hard to put into words, Tim, because

you have to go through this journey in order to fully understand and

even be convicted from the get go.

oh, I am not living what I say I believe.

And so if I do believe that God can do the impossible, he can make that possible

and that he's in the business, quote unquote, of doing the miraculous, right?

If I really believe that, why am I grinding?

Why am I hustling?

Why am I ruminating in fear and doubt and overthinking and overwhelm?

That is not for his people.

That's just totally not.

And so I'll just pause there and take a breath and see what your

thoughts are in reaction to that.

I got a lot of thoughts and I'm watching the clock here.

Probably need more time, but I had a conversation the other day with someone

and it revolved around this word trust.

And one of the things that was fascinating about it, and if I think

back on my life, I'll maybe pose it as a question, let you respond to it.

Also, all of my hustle activity is related to, I didn't trust

that God would take care of it.

I felt like it had to be me, and I thought this is, where pride and ego comes in.

I thought I was fairly smart, pretty good in business, pretty good at doing this,

and I could outwork just about anybody.

All faults by the way.

just to go ahead and say that.

And so really, I think at the root of it, a lot of us, it's a trust issue.

and I want to start shifting this conversation.

you work with, A lot of women, what do you see them struggling with,

especially related to this topic?

Because this is something I'm sure you have a lot of high

achievers step into your programs.

You have a lot of people that have done well and are looking to do better.

They probably have this, dise, which is called, if it is to me,

it's, if it is to be, it's up to me.

what are you seeing with them or what do you wanna respond?

Just with me talking about that issue of trust.

Yeah, I think if I believe what I say, I believe.

Then I really, I either trust God or I don't, I either

believe what he says or I don't.

what I find with women that come to me, whether they're in the early stages of

business, trying to get to that first a hundred K, or if they are established and

they're getting, trying to get to seven figures, to me the hardest part of it all

is really coming in to own their CEO ness.

Especially in the earlier stages.

Let me explain.

a lot of women, they've been professionals, they've succeeded

in corporate or as attorneys, doctors, other professionals

licensed in all that professionals.

But then they open up business for themselves and they're

like totally confused.

Why?

Because they've succeeded in everything.

I succeed in school, I succeeded in my career.

But this thing called entrepreneurship, it's a whole different skillset.

And again, when in the early stages when they're like, it's all about mindset.

Who are you being?

Blah, blah, blah.

I'd be like, yeah.

Shut up and get onto the meat of the matters.

Tell me what to do and I will do it.

And so that's one of the things I've gotta constantly, especially in the earlier

stages, I've gotta constantly pull the ladies back and say, you've got the goods.

I know from what you're saying that you don't believe that you are an expert.

You don't believe you're good enough, or that you know enough, or you,

I'm newer to business, therefore.

Okay.

Now, when I transition over to my scaling students who are, at six and

multi six, and they wanna get to seven figures, then the, it's not so much that

they don't believe they're an expert.

They do, but then it's like their control freak comes in.

It's always been me.

And thank you, Judy.

Now I wanna bring Jesus into more of, not just my life, but my business, but

we're uncovering a lot of our stuff.

what are some areas you mentioned before, even of self-sabotage

that you may not be aware of.

That's the value of a coach, right?

And then also that control, wait a minute, why don't you have a team?

And those of you that have a team, have you, are you managing them well?

Are you leading them well?

Do you have the confidence to do that?

Or are you just trusting that they will know what to do?

And then when things don't happen, right?

You're scratching your head like, whew, how could that happen?

so I would say those are some of the finer points that I'm dealing with,

whether they're starting or scaling.

it's, it always goes back to the issue of who are you at The

very root, at the very core.

so let's just say that there are questions there and I'm not gonna ask

you to, cuz some of this stuff is, there's so many nuances, even though there's

structure, but I know there's nuance.

So we talked about earlier, we have to work with people to get out of that.

That hustle mindset we have to help them understand who they are.

What are some, I guess I'm asking for some tips here in the last

couple of minutes, which, this is probably like a, three year process.

But what are some things for someone that's going, I'm not really sure, I'm

questioning, or if you've got someone who comes into a program and you

recognize that, which I think everybody deals with it to a certain degree,

but what are some things that people can, here's me putting it back on us.

Do, what are some things that they can do to, to work through that?

what do you help them through?

What are some things that you can get 'em moving in the right direction?

Yeah.

And you know what?

I'll go right back to my faith fuel thought model, which is really when

you're capturing your thoughts and holding them captive as unto Christ.

And so I adapted a model from, it's interesting, a secular woman

who clearly says, I love Mari.

I love Mari, I love it, love it, love it.

You know?

and I pray for her, salvation.

But what I did was take that and mold it and make it really powerful

because Christ is at the center of it.

So it's about evaluating your thoughts and then saying,

okay, who's the source of that?

To me, there's only two sources of any thought.

It's either a lie of the enemy or is truth of the Lord.

And so when you identify that it's a lie, then you say, okay, so how is that?

how can I turn that what I believe to be a lie?

How can I look to see a thought that not only serves me, cuz okay, this

is way different than affirmations.

Worldly affirmations just say how, and they repeat stuff and they think

that's gonna make a difference.

no.

That's just a bunch of hooey.

Okay.

but what makes this powerful, this model is we go back to scripture, right?

so I'll give you a quick example.

So if the circumstance is your business and your thought is,

gosh, I'm stuck at 250 k, I cannot get past it no matter what I do.

Okay, that's a lie, right?

How do I know it's a lie?

Anytime we say I can't, anytime I say I don't know, that's a lie.

Okay?

Because we have the mind of Christ.

Hallelujah.

And so what we say is, okay, now we go down and we say, what is,

what are the promises that God gave to all his children in the Bible?

They, everybody should have their go-to dozen scriptures or so, right?

Romans 8 28, more than an overcomer, all that stuff, right?

But then also the second level of that is, okay, what did

the Lord tell you about you?

About what he sees for in you, what he has for you, the business itself,

and the clients that he's already has ready for you to like just step out and

face so he can get 'em to you, right?

So then even beyond that, then we go to the worldly, but I'm a lawyer, so

of course I say, okay, now we've got God's promises to you as a child of God.

Now we've got God's promises to you, to what he specifically told you.

Okay?

But now we're gonna go back to the evidence that you've already

seen in this world and say, how is it that you can get past two 50?

Like a lot of the times like, I don't know.

Okay, how do you know?

How do you know?

You already know what you're, how to tweak your marketing

or how to be better in sales?

That kind of thing.

So there's a lot more I could say on this, but it all goes back to what did God say

and understanding that is the answer.

You have the answer.

In you.

Why?

Because the holy spirit's inside you.

Like this whole methodology, which I don't have time to get into, but

the joyful scaling method, this all is a downloaded of the Lord.

If I wouldn't have sat quietly and asked him to tell me, and I love Jeremiah

33, 3, tell me something amazing today.

Lord, tell me something unsearchable that I do not know.

And last thing I'll say is this.

as you hear me talking about this, I'm talking freeform.

I didn't know what questions you were gonna ask me.

Everything comes back to scripture.

I'm not one of these coaches that just throws in a verse here or there.

I bring you back to it.

Really?

Do you think that's who you are?

Really?

And what did God say about that?

Like I'm always pointing them back to Christ.

And that is why the mindset piece is so much more important in this strategy.

Because when you know who you are in Christ, then you'll step up

and do the scary things that you thought you could never, ever do.

And now you're doing it with ease and joy.

That's the whole point.

Yeah, and all that strategy.

Here's the thing.

I cha that's challenging.

If people don't get the root of what you're discussing, then there's

so many distractions out there.

There's so many strategies, there's so many techniques, there's so many tools.

There's all these things and people are bouncing, they'll be bouncing all around

with every bright, shiny object and writing big checks to people that'll try

to tell 'em how to do this or that if they don't get that piece you're talking about.

Which kind of goes back to the, what we said at the beginning, the

identity of really who they are.

so that's cool.

So you're really trying to help people get to their identity, which is awesome.

One, one thing I'd like to ask here, a couple things before we finish up.

What do, how do you.

Define success when we, because that word, see, I think it's a word that's overused

in our culture, society, and our world.

and at one point for me it was probably, it had an attachment to possessions

and financial and things like that.

and I don't think there's anything wrong with those things.

It's just, I think sometimes it can be a shallow definition.

But how, what's your, just, this is totally off the cuff question, but

how do you define success for you?

Success to me is when I think about all the things I've done

and I think the world and others, when they read my bio, they're impressed

with the law degree, the success in business, all of that kind of stuff.

But what I am, what I feel most successful in is as a mother.

Like I could have fallen down in those other things, but if I would've fallen

and I made plenty of mistakes and I cry about it at least a couple times a

week, I say, Lord, help me to forgive myself cuz my boys have already forgiven

me for yelling and all the other.

But if I didn't succeed as a parent, then that has eternal repercussions.

And so success for me is right there.

what really matters.

And so even when I work with ladies at any level, I say,

look, you tell me what's success.

You wanna get to 5k months and that's success for you.

Great.

You wanna get to 50 K months or more.

Great.

Both are success, but it's about where you are as it relates to Jesus Christ

and walking in his calling on your life.

And it's so unique person to person, you know it.

There is no objective success in my mind.

Yeah.

and the reason that I like that is it's personal because I think so many people

were in this comparison game and social media and things like even podcasts and

all people were able to compare so easily.

It's still personal.

What, where, what is your role?

Where, what is your position and role in God's kingdom?

And I think when we identify that, then there's clarity and then we know what

our strategies and all needs to be.

And that's what I've heard this conversation has been all about.

Judy, we could.

We could converse for quite a while here, but why don't you tell

us, I, I know you've got a few programs, you've got resources.

I've listened to your podcast, which is, joyful scaling the podcast.

If you're listening here, definitely would be of value to jump over and listen there.

But where can people find you and what all you can you tell us about your

resources and things that you have?

We'll try to include all that we can down in the notes and all that.

But go ahead and share that here before I finish up on a couple things.

Thank you for that.

First, I would say the podcast and the best place to find

that is judy weber.co/podcast.

But I'm on all the major, platforms that is my body of work, over 350 episodes.

That captures me and it's so funny, I started January of 2020, I think.

Yeah, 2020.

So you see an evolution if you listen to those earlier

ones, I'm a different person.

Like I feel like I'm in constant breakthrough because

of I'm believing God more.

I'm taking him up on the, look, we gotta operate, supernaturally not, temporally.

And so I take that seriously with myself so that I can be the product of the

product so that my people can say, oh wow, she's living it, she's doing crazy things.

Anyway, so the podcast is a beautiful resource for you that is I.

If you just do nothing other than study that you will get huge value

at breakthrough for yourself.

Beyond that, I have a Facebook group.

It is called Six and Multi-six Figure Christian Female Entrepreneurs, and

I don't have a fancy personalized d r L, so I have to get that to you, Tim.

but that is a young, like new and growing group.

I go live there weekly on Wednesdays for what I call more

leads, more sales, more impact.

quick 15, 20 minute training.

let's see where else.

I'm all over every social channel at Judy Weber Co.

So I would love to connect with you.

Instagram, LinkedIn and Facebook are my go-tos and I'm a connector.

And guess what?

Connection you wanna sign more clients.

You've gotta connect and not just the fake connect.

I'm talking real heart to heart connect.

So I would be honored to, to connect with your listeners there as well.

Yeah.

I love the connector portion of you also love the energy that you bring.

I know this probably be of a great value for anyone that steps into your, your

sphere that, that we just discussed.

We.

Are seek, go create those three words.

Judy, I'm gonna let you choose one of those words over the

other two as my final question.

Which one just resonates with you or jumps out at you more than the other two?

And why?

Seek, go or create.

Yeah, I'm curious.

do you wanna take a guess?

Which one?

I shouldn't ask that, but I felt inclined to ask you.

Yeah.

I think I know, but go ahead.

I'll share afterwards.

Okay.

Create no doubt.

I missed it.

I was gonna say go.

I don't know why I said go,

ok, that's a close second.

see,

yeah.

anyway, for me, create is, business is all about

creating something from nothing.

And so it's so funny how we make it seem like it's about us, but the Lord God,

you're here only because the Lord God made you, and that business is yours

only because he put that idea and desire in your heart and you gave you the

wherewithal to be able to walk in it.

So I want everybody listening to really understand that and say, wow, whatever

level success you're at right now, you created that as you walk with the Lord.

And I want you to understand that.

If you've heard me talk about my methodology or anything we've talked

about and you're like, Ooh, I don't have a methodology, yes you do.

Pour it outta your brain and write it down.

Because if you get clients results, you have a method.

You just need to tap into your own brain to find it.

Excellent.

I love that.

Yeah.

And I think I could have gone with create, but I don't know why.

I just felt like you

I'm a go goer.

Maybe it was the energy.

Judy, thank you for being a guest here at Seat.

Go create What a fun time it's been.

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