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Hello friend, this is Timothy
Kimelbryant, your head instigator

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for create our podcast.

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Where I use my over 30 years of
experience in the arts and education

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world to help you tame your inner
critic and create more than you consume.

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So we're continuing on with
our make fun of habit series.

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And, uh, that is directly from Mike
Brennan's book, make fun of habit.

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Uh, it's a workbook and you have,
uh, 30, uh, 30 chapters in there

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and, uh, what it does for you is it
helps you put the fun back into your

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life, which makes us better creators.

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Now I got a hold of this book because
I do another podcast called find a

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podcast about, and I interviewed him
about his creative chats podcast.

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All the links will be in the show notes
for the book and for his, uh, for his

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podcast and for my other podcasts as well.

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But what I did.

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Is after I got done reading and I
thought, wouldn't this make great content

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for us, uh, in, in this podcast by
taking one chapter per episode, going

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through the entire book and, uh, just,
you know, kind of commenting on it.

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So.

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How the book works is he'll take one
concept and he'll tell a little story

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about it, and then he'll give you
some questions to ponder, some action

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items for you to do and some tips.

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So I'm going to be answering the
questions, uh, you know, as questions.

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I answered them when I first went through
the book, uh, be talking about the action

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items and seeing how I can implement them.

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And then the, you know, utilizing
the tips for my creative practice.

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And I hope these help you in
your creative practice, no matter

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where you're at, no matter what
kind of art you're trying to do.

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So this week, we're talking
about, uh, breaking rules.

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And the first rule is there are no rules.

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Um, a lot of us like to have rules and I
used to live by certain rules that I would

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go by when I was first writing poetry
had to be four line stanzas, four stanzas

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long, I had to have, you know, a couple
of drinks in me and I was good to go or

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at least, you know, three or four coffees.

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Well, that does that
only works for so long.

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And then you realize, Hey, listen, my
stuff is really, uh, not that good.

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So let's try something else.

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Um, so that was the rule that I
used to have that I got rid of.

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When I first started podcasting,
I got rid of all ums, uhs, breath

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noises, all that, and it took
forever to get an episode edited.

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Now.

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I don't do that as much.

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I take out some stuff that
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But for the most part, I leave
it be because this is how I talk.

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If you were to meet me face to face in
person, this is how I would be talking.

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Yes.

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With my hands.

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Those of you on YouTube
can see me use my hands.

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Those of you who are just listening
to the audio podcast, you can't really

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see me doing that, but imagine it.

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You know, put that in your mind.

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So those were some of the rules
that I had that I got rid of.

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I was like, they, they
don't serve me well.

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Sometimes rules help.

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Sometimes I do a, well, every year I do a
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and I like having those limitations.

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You know, you, you have a prompt,
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that style, or you have to have this
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And, uh, That helps me find ways around
whatever those rules are still following

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the rules, but finding ways around them.

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So for me, when somebody sets up a
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this, I'd immediately go, you know what?

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I'm going to write a poem that totally.

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goes against that.

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And I'm still going to call it a poem.

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And more than likely you will too.

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So I'm not a huge rule follower.

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I like limitations.

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I like having some guardrails up.

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And for me, the creativity is how
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So let's start off with Mike's questions.

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First one up is, would you describe
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rule keeper and why I'm a rule breaker?

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Uh, I want to go around the rules.

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I always have been, you know, ever
since high school, I always joke

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around and say, you know, I am a
anarchist in libertarian clothing.

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Um, I am, you know, Of the opinion that
we should be taking care of ourselves,

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not that, you know, there shouldn't
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that we should be able to take care of
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given the freedom as long as we're not
hurting anybody else to do what we want

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to do now, you know, am I for all anarchy
and this, that, no, I'm, I'm for people

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taking responsibility for their actions
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long as I'm not infringing on your rights.

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Thanks.

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Then I should be able to go ahead.

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And, you know, if I want to smoke a
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You know, that's what I want to do.

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So for me, I'm definitely a rule
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I like that term better.

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Uh, what were some of your
favorite childhood games and

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what did you like about them?

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Uh, some of my favorite, I
loved playing risk and Stratego.

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And, uh, a lot of the, uh, Atari
2600s, I'm of an age where that

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was a big thing with video games.

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Um, I also like playing kick, uh, kick
the can, and that's where, uh, you

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have a group of people and, uh, you
have a safe space in the neighborhood

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and, uh, and, uh, you, it's kind
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And, uh, we would play that
and have a great time with it.

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Uh, usually in the evenings and the
spring and summertime, uh, and, uh,

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early fall and, uh, you know, it was
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people at my age and having a great time.

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So, uh, those were my
favorite childhood games.

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The next one is what rules do you
have a hard time with and why, how

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would you have rewritten the rules?

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Uh, I have a hard time with
people telling me what art is.

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And what poetry is and,
and, and what it should be.

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I think it's different for all of us.

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I think we all approach art differently,
experience it differently and

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want different things out of it.

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That's why I do this podcast.

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You know, some people go, well,
it's, you know, it's not art.

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Actually it is, you know, from, uh,
the show notes to the website, uh, uh,

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the music that I intro and outro with.

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The episode art that I create for it,
that is artwork and it's graphic arts.

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It's musical arts.

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Um, it's coming up with ideas to help
you unlock that creativity, unleash

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your creativity, and, you know, to
give you permission, which you don't

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really need my permission, but.

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But it gives you permission to go
and, you know, follow your dreams,

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follow whatever it is that is going
to bring enjoyment to your life.

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And I always liked the end of
the show, you know, go make art

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for somebody you love yourself.

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You got to love yourself first.

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And make that art for me, I've
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I've got to enjoy it.

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And then I put it out there in the world.

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So that's what I have a hard time
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it's this way or the highway.

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No, I, I disagree.

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Now are there ways to critique
art to say, you know, what is

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good art and what's bad art?

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I don't know.

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Yes, there are ways to do that.

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And everyone has their personal
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art and what makes bad art.

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And if we can articulate those and say,
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Maybe doing this or that, or
the other thing is a better way.

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Then I'm good with that.

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But when you tell me,
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No, I, I, I don't go, I'm not good with
that and I have a degree in theater.

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So, you know, I've, I've gone through
academia and that's one thing that I

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really hated about academia is it's this
way in order to get this grade that you

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want in order to pass in order for us to
say, you learned something, you have to

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agree with us, not a huge fan of that.

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Action item.

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Write your own personal life rules.

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Think about, uh, why they are
important to you and consider if

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you could make your life anything
you wanted, what would it look like?

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I do that every day.

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My rules change every, my rules change
every day, depending on, uh, what I

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am, uh, creating, um, You know, if
I'm doing a paint by numbers, it's one

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thing, you know, try to stay within
the lines and, you know, do all the

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ones first, then the twos and the
threes and the fours do the biggest

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areas first than the smallest areas.

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Um, that's for paint by numbers.

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Uh, there's videos that show you how
that lead you through a painting.

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I love, I love going through those and
sometimes I'll mix my colors differently

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than they mix their colors and get
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Yeah it for me my I always like to
be true to whatever art I'm creating.

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I want that to be a piece
of me that you see in there.

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And I like it to be clearer.

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I like it to be more easily
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understood versus very esoteric.

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Uh, I used to be, uh, In a writer's
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they said, well, that's too esoteric.

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That's too, you know, we
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We don't know all that backstory.

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And, um, after a while I got to agree with
it because I was like, yeah, you know,

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after years looking at it years later,
I'm like, yeah, I don't get it either.

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Cause I lived it and I don't remember it.

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So, um, yeah.

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I think for me, what would be a good
change in my life or if I could make

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my life, anything, uh, what would it
look like it would be for folks to,

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uh, more easily understand what I'm
trying to do and what I'm trying to say.

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And if they want to delve deeper into
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to it, then I would welcome them to,
you know, let me know what that deeper

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meaning that they got out of it is maybe
I didn't get it, get, get that out of it.

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That's one thing that I'd like to change
and, uh, to make my life look better.

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We're at the tips now.

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Reflect on your values and desires.

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Again, I like being true to my audience.

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I like being true to everyone
that hears the podcast, listens

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to the poetry, uh, sees my art.

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Uh, you know, it sees my paintings.

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That's me.

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That's, that's what I see.

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That's what I'm doing.

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Um, And so my value is, you know,
to, to believe in the audience and to

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trust that the audience will get it.

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Another tip is start
small and build gradually.

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Well, yeah, I, I have started very small.

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I didn't put my stuff out for anybody
and then kept on growing and growing

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and growing to get where I am at today.

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So I definitely think
that if we start small.

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With, uh, with artistic practice
and then build it up, the more

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confidence we get and not necessarily
looking for the approval of others

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to gain that confidence, but, you
know, defining what is going to

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make me more confident in my art.

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What's going to make me more bold.

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Um, I, you know, painting for me,
I started off small and right now.

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Yes, I do paint by numbers.

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I do.

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Um, you know, I have videos that say,
okay, we'll do this, you know, make this.

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thing.

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So that's one thing that I do, uh, that.

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Eventually will get me to be
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and just do my own stuff.

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Uh, the next tip is be specific
and actionable, otherwise

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called the smart method.

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Um, and that is something that I
struggle with it being specific

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and actionable because I have a lot
of things that are going on in my

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life, just like I'm sure you do.

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You have a lot of things going on
in your life, but that's where we

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start small and build gradually.

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So if we can really pinpoint what we're
trying to do and then the steps that

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we need to take, we've got that beat.

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Then we just need to do it.

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The last thing is write them down.

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You know, I have a lot of pens here
and I have a lot of papers and a lot

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of pads here with a lot of ideas and,
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phase, getting that, you know,
uh, being specific and actionable.

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I can write all that stuff out.

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I can do it, you know, in a word
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it, that's where sometimes I fail.

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And maybe you have that same thing too.

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Uh, but if we write it down, we can
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I'm not ready for this right now.

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Maybe you know, in six months to
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I'll have it laid out already.

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So I won't be starting with a blank slate.

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I think that's a wonderful thing.

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Definitely write it down.

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Even if it's going to be a
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But actually physically writing
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your being, into your body.

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So that's the episode.

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I hope you really enjoyed it.

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And I want to thank you for taking
a listen as we talk about breaking

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rules for your artistic journey.

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If you'd like to reach out
to me, you can email me.

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Timothy at create art podcast.

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com.

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You can give me your thoughts, your
critiques, uh, ideas that you'd

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like me to discuss on the show.

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Um, if you'd like to be a guest on the
show, definitely feel free to email me.

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I do read all my emails.

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If it's spam.

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It goes in the spam folder.

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If it's not, I definitely read through
those and I'm interested in what you're

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wanting to learn because I definitely want
to make this a five star podcast for you.

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I want you to be able to, you
know, listen or watch this podcast

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and then share it with a friend.

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Uh, and hopefully they get something
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greater gift than sharing knowledge.

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Can you give somebody?

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So definitely feel free
to share it with a friend.

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There's share on your podcast
app of choice or on YouTube,

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whichever way you like to do that.

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Definitely feel free to go
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won't bite your fingernails off.

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I'll just bite mine off.

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Speaking about sharing podcasts with
friends, I run another one called find

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a podcast about, and you can find that
at find a podcast about dot X, Y, Z.

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And what I do there is I looked,
I listened to other podcasts

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and bring back the ones that
I think are very binge worthy.

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And then I.

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Present it to you and sometimes I'm
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So definitely check that podcast out.

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It's called find a podcast about it's
that find a podcast about that XYZ.

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And that's where I help you find
your next binge worthy podcast

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and outsmart the algorithm.

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All right.

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It's time for me to get on
with the rest of my day.

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I need you to get on with
the rest of your day.

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So go out there and tame that inner
critic, create more than you consume.

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Go out there, break some rules if,
if, if rules are stopping you from

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creating, break them, find different ways
around them, or go around those rules.

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Go out there and make some art
for somebody you love yourself.

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I'll talk to you next time.