Hello, hello, and welcome to mirallas experience.

I'm so happy to have my friend Gabrielle with me today. We

connected many years ago at the college and yeah, reconnected

now because Gabrielle is posting very inspiring stuff. He is

Seeker for truth, he is a person who calls people out on their

bullshit. He's the friend you wish you had at your side when

shit gets, you know, serious because he cuts through and

allows you to see your blind spots. At least that's what I

experience when when I'm roaming around on your page. I really

love how you connect physics and chemistry and spirituality,

politics, geopolitics.

I'm really excited to share with my listeners with the world, how

your brain is approaching certain subjects nowadays that

some people, you know, feel very triggered and very helpless and

powerless. And you just give people a beautiful angle on, on

things on on topics that are Yeah, affecting all of us at the

moment. So this is why I invited you. Maybe I didn't give you a

proper explanation on why I connected with you and wanted

you on this podcast. But here you are. Here we are. Welcome to

the show. Welcome. Gabriel de Frey tests.

I'm glad to be here. Thank you.

All right, where did your journey begin? When it comes to

expressing yourself like you do today? Were you always a very,

you know, expressive person? Or did you have a time in your life

where you were more of an introvert, more of an observer.

And then there was a day there was a time where you knew you

cannot hold it back anymore?

Fill us in?

Well, I grew up in Brazil, right. And we didn't have much

like, we weren't poor and although we do really have much

so like, my education was the only thing I had in contact with

like, thinking and putting my brain into things to do and

other things. But like, so like growing up, it was it was it was

a little bit of

an motivational in terms of like what I would do and things like

that, like education and other things because my school was

like, very dull. It's not like schools here in, in Canada,

where you have like, a lot more experiences to do like things to

really learn he was it's more like a industrial approach to

education. So education to me was always kind of like I hated

going into school. I totally hate it. And I was super shy to

growing up. So the whole thing of like, socials inside of

school is awful for me, you know, I hated it. Like I totally

hated going to school. I was always the kid that was like, I

wasn't, I wasn't on the side of the most popular kids and I also

wasn't with the the other kids. It was just me and one other kid

that was friends, you know, they always and always spend like

kind of one or two years in each school that I ever studied in my

life. I was always moving and going from school to school. So

I never really like attached too long to someone you know, like

friends and other things I never had, I didn't have a brother

growing up. My parents had one kid before I was born but they

died he died because of meningitis. So I grew up already

like after my parents lost a kid you know, so they were kind of

like, attached even though they divorced when when I was like

four

and I grew up with my mom and stuff but like, which was even

poor in terms of finances, you know, money and stuff.

My My father wasn't very present for the first few years and

stuff but like it came through later in life, you know, like

everyone needs to go through a journey of maturity and he had

one too, you know, made lots of mistakes but like now I have

another brother that I haven't even met because these inputs

zeal is six years old.

And my father is a totally different person to even be more

present than he has ever been in my life to my brother, right.

So, like, it was only after, I would say, I was in grade 10 or

11, that, like I started realizing that pretty much my

whole life was in a state of kind of depression, the only

happy moments I had, or moments of like, totally different type

of experiences. So like, when I was with my father trying to

like, learn how to build a house, a tree house, you know,

like, literally grabbing wood and going to the top of the

tree, nailing it down and trying to build a house. I mean, that

was like, a totally different experience. So like, it was, I

didn't understand it back then. But my happiness came from the

use of my brain like thinking applying to real life

situations, you know, the more in on autopilot I was living,

the more depressed I would be. So just waking up every day

going into school coming back, not seeing the point of it, all

right, like I hated math, to me, it was completely pointless. I

study physics now.

It's a totally different person, like, and so like,

pretty much after, like, I was, say,

14 or 15. Like I started realizing, putting,

rationalizing more, right, like actually putting into words and

thoughts in my mind. And I started realizing that I needed

more than the school could offer me. So I was like, grade 11.

around that.

So like,

I have the opportunity of coming to Canada when I was 17. And

then, in Canada, I had a different experience, to

information and even the whole language itself, you know,

learning how to speak English that was already like,

pleasing to my brain, you know.

So it was, it was like a process, I didn't really

understand myself after, like, 20 years, it took 20 years to

understand that, like, I am thirsty for information, and

that fulfills me in ways that pretty much nothing else does.

You know, like, the things that I that used to bother me of

thinking through complicated issues, was more like being

bothered by the unknown by the, the thinking of something that

you hadn't never thought before. But I started realizing that the

more you think and the more you connect with other information,

the easier it becomes, you know, and then even for writing, like

I studied international relations, right? With Leonardo,

you remember Leo, right? You know, knows my

We were classmates in international relations and

International Relations, it was one of the greatest experiences

in my life to learn how to write, how to write cohesively,

how to write logical arguments based on literature based on

information with with an academic logic, and I'm talking

about 60 pages, papers, you know, like, it's not short

stuff, it's like a lot of information. And a lot of that

is based on dialectic. dialectic is like the, the, the logical

argumentation of, of different points of views without actually

ever coming to conclusion. Because you can't come to a

conclusion, on the dialectic, you're going to analyze history,

and politics and the point of life itself and everything, but

never actually come to a conclusion. You can talk about

communism and capitalism, the awesome stuff from one thing,

the awesome stuff from the other thing, the bad stuff from one

thing, the bad stuff on the other thing, you can cross

reference them and put them and against different scenarios, and

you keep talking and talking and talking. But it never comes to a

point that you say, therefore, capitalism is the best one.

Therefore, communism is the best one. You don't have to come to a

conclusion because you understand that it's so complex

that there is no conclusion you know, anything could be possible

depending on enumerables types of like variables, you know, so

So yeah, like

I started like having that experience throughout my life

like reading different stuff I would read from history and all

Oh, they were all things outside of school. You know, they were

all things that like I was curious for so like when I first

can't You can't

And that was a, kinda like, the first time in my life that I

read. I think I read like nine books in a one year period when

I was 17. Right. So it was, it was the first time in my life

that I was like, I just want to I before that I only had read

Harry Potter, you know, Harry Potter was the only thing I had

ever finished reading and I had the pleasure of reading before

Harry Potter, I would say, I hate reading. I hate reading. I

don't like reading, I wouldn't have patience for reading,

right? But like Harry Potter kind of made me like, see, you

actually like reading the stuff that you want to read? You know,

so when I came to Canada, I was like, you know, I'm not going to

read the school stuff. It's boring. I never liked it. It's

not going to be today that I'm going to start liking it. So I

went to the public library of Vernon in BC.

And I just walked in, and I would like, walk around whatever

book that piqued my interest, I would grab it and see if I

wanted to read and if I wanted, I would rebuild thing. So I

started studying about religion, you know, ancient religions,

like Egypt religions, you know, the whole history of Egypt,

actually, you know, and I was surprised, you know, for the

first time in my life, right, like, it was like, why Egypt

lasted 2000 years. You know, it was a we're here for like, what

600 You know, after the ocean expansions and ocean

explorations, you know, oversea exploration, so that was like in

the 1500s. So rounded up to like, six 600 years. And our

civilization 600 Years went through World Wars, you know,

and, and all sorts of all of that stuff. So like, anyway, so

I started connecting all of that information, you know, like, I

was already the computer kid. So I already understood a lot about

technology, like, I grew up, I was a hacker when I was a kid, I

even got in trouble once with the

police, you know, because I was hacking websites, and yeah, but

like, instead of, like, getting in trouble, the police just

recommended my parents to put me in, like this online course,

that lasted like actually three years, and would teach us how to

use our hacking knowledge to make money to like, you know,

like, actually offer, you know, security services to other

companies and stuff. So

I'm like the result of a bunch of seeds that happened in

multiple moments in my life. And I made sure to grab on and hold

on to those seeds, you know, that in now in the future,

right, like in the present, actually, the future from the

past.

I'm like, harvesting those seeds, because I made sure to

protect them kind of thing. But like, I went through a bunch of

other bad stuff, like I was kind of homeless when I was like,

seven or seven years old, six, seven.

Like I was living with my mom, my, my father wasn't answering

the phone, like he saw, it was like, kind of like a ruse, or we

were, you know, lying or something. My mom was like to

draw attention or something. But like, there was this huge rain

fall in Brazil and stuff. And there was floods everywhere. And

we lost our house to the floods, the floods, like literally, I

remember these huge tsunami wave coming down and then like, just

destroying a little house and we, we were like, leaving on the

last second car with lady looks like a movie, like an

apocalyptic movie, you know? And I was a kid, right? Like, it was

inside of the car, and stuff. So like, it was just me and my mom

in the car for like, eight months or so. We were like

literally sleeping in the parking lot of

pharmacy, because the pharmacy had like an overnight security

guard. Right? So it was kind of safer.

By like, it was a month that I didn't know how long it was

gonna last. It was a most I could have like, to me it was

like, maybe years you know, like, I didn't know when it was

gonna last. It's too much anxiety, right? Everyday you

like, is this the last day every day and then eight months

through it like it feels like an eternity.

But I choose to look back and like I wouldn't change anything.

I wouldn't change anything because all of these things are

what made me the person that I am today. You know, it's like a

roller coaster. would make the roller would you make the roller

coaster flat and like if you make the roller coaster flat,

it's not a roller coaster anymore and I it's not fun. It's

there's no point to it. Life is kind of like a roller coaster.

You know, if you

changed the up and downs, then it's not life anymore. You know,

like, even if you look at history and evolution life, you

know, like the whole thing, like, we are literally the

product of everything that didn't die.

That's basically what evolution is, you know, anything that

didn't die, kept reproducing and passing its genes to next

generations and next generation, that that's why we're here.

So

are we going to be like, Oh, that's not fair, that's, that's

bad, you know, like, like, who are we to judge the natural

cycle of life, one day, this planet's gonna blow up in one

way or another, you know, either by the, the expansion of the of

the star itself, you know, and completely swollen it up, or by

internal reactions, but like, the planet itself doesn't last

forever. You know, not even the state of of sustaining life

that's going to go way before the planet goes

by, like, at some point that even the planet itself is going

to break apart and just become dust again, maybe billions and

billions of years in the future. But whenever that does happen,

even more billions and billions and billions of years later, all

of that dust might just clog up again and make another plan and

then life starts again. You know, or not, but that's, it's

really the,

for all we know, we are made of carbon that was once life in

another planet. You know?

So, literally, organic molecules, right? So carbon

protein, amino acid.

So like,

again, I don't want to like jump forward, Blake. Yeah, basically,

that's me.

I'm always like, connecting one thing to

Oh, my dear listeners, this is Gabriel in a nutshell.

I hope I didn't, you so far exceeded my expectations. And I

find it so beautiful. Like how easily you put things into words

and then express yourself so that it's very easily to to

follow you as well. What I love most is when you explain the was

a dialect, dialectic, dialectic. Yeah, it's got like this before

it instead of like dialect. So dialect is more like language

and dialectic, it's the these argumentation of points without

ever, like really coming to a conclusion, because it would be

hyper, hyper, hyper critical to come to a conclusion. Exactly.

And I feel this is what what everybody has to look at. Right?

Yes, learn in order to, to stay centered and grounded and yes,

to stay informed. But to not run around like chickens with a

chopped off head right. And to, to know that life is so

extremely complex, and our brain will always want to find

something to cling on to. But the moment we do that, we see

separation and feel separation, we see others and us and we see

something is happening over here, but not over here. And,

and you help people to see the connectedness and the big

picture. And I'm sure that I mean, I struggled with

depression and still have my depressive phases, but to see

the big picture to see how small we are and how big this universe

is and how, you know, short our lifespan is it puts you into

perspective and helps you to to kind of get out of this darkness

at least it did for me when I listened to you. And then the

second thing I'd like to comment on is the policemen the the guys

who caught you hacking, and who saw your potential who saw that

this boy this youngster has drawn energy and he's using it,

you know, for for the wrong reasons right now, and we're

going to channel this energy into something like vandalism.

That's That's what hacking

online vandalism. Yeah, it's really just hey, I'm gonna walk

in here. This is a nice website, but you lost it.

Just as I can and you fail on protecting. Hahaha.

Yeah.

But, but for them to channel your energy into something good.

Probably saved you

Life because they could have come and just punished you and

made you feel like there was never. And then you could have

either become more depressed or more destructive.

Yeah, exactly. More criminally No, I'm gonna now start stealing

money.

Yeah. And then and then how you went through the homelessness

and the extreme pains at a very young age and, and to see you,

you know, Blossom today and being there for others inspiring

others

is so incredibly inspiring, you're not a victim to what,

to the circumstances that you went through you kind of rose

above and and learn from it and are not now helping others. And

when it comes to as a victim until I realized, sorry, I was a

victim until I realized that I had a choice that it's all about

a choice. And it's kind of something that people get

offended about, right? Like when you say like, you have to choose

to be happy late, even you're in depression, whatever it is, the

problem is when the person in depression because I was this

person was here is that it's all about choice, they take it to a

personal side of like, So you mean that I haven't made that

choice yet. So you mean that it's all my fault. So you meet

and then they go down in a spiral that's not even that way,

you know that they are the one interpreting that as an

offensive thing. Or you're saying that it's your choice is

because it's your choice to start making something different

about what you're feeling, you know, like, eat better sleep

better. They exercise, you have to really force yourself through

these things, because they are what will break the cycle,

you're in like, a circle going around, around around. And

that's the easiest movement, right like to, to break out of

that movement, you have to spend extra energy, it's kind of like

getting out getting out of the planet with a with a rocket,

right going to the moon with a rocket, that's called the

velocity escape escape velocity. So the escape velocity is

basically the amount of energy that you need to spend, in order

to break apart from the pole of the gravity of the earth, you

know, if you, if you're like one kilometre per hour is lower than

the speed that's required, you're gonna go up, and then and

back to your, you know, say, so like, you need to have that

constant extra speed to break out of that, it's the same

thing, when you're in a cycling life of depression of things,

you say that it's because of the Depression, and you have this

condition, and you hug it out, and you protect it. And you say

that I can't go and do an exercise because I don't feel

like living. Guess what you will not, if you if you hope, if

you're like waiting for some kind of medicine that will take

in help you maybe that that should, in some cases, that's

good, you know, like, it will help you as as a as a temporary

leverage. But you also can't depend on that, like, you have

to use that leverage of the medicine that you were

prescribed, and like literally address the roots of the issue

wild, you have some kind of movement, you know, but you have

to do something about it, it's not just going to be like,

something that's going to come and make you feel better, and

then suddenly, you're going to start working out and do

everything bla bla bla, like, even if that happens, you're

just going to be dependent on that medicine because you still

haven't addressed the issues. You know, the idea is like, you

take the medicine you take action, but the action is the

important part, the medicine is just a need, you know, so you

take the action and you bring the results are after that

action.

Slowly that all makes so much sense. And depression feels like

gravity times 10 You know, like gravity and then times 10 It

makes you so heavy and so the thermogenic and to bring up the

energy to break out of it is you're just saying it's not

possible it's not never going to happen. And don't get me wrong,

the journey is tough and not beautiful. But there is also

parts to it that are extremely light and easy and remembering

who you were as a child and and what truly brings you joy. So it

really has Yeah, very beautiful sides to it and very tough

sides. But once you overcome them you are so much stronger

and so much more. Yeah, resilient and unable to see

that. Life is incredibly precious and beautiful.

Very, very well put into words.

I have a feeling that I want to invite you back

I got onto this show

and talk more about do politics, but to just cut a little bit

into what's happening right now with humanity,

and

to show people how you address these circumstances right now,

what would you say?

Where, where did we drift off? And where are we at right now?

And how can we, as a whole, get to a better place?

Well, one, one way I like to start analyzing these things is

looking at the entire nature of humanity, you know, and when you

look at the entire nature of humanity, you have to look at

the entire history, at least as much as we know about the

history of humanity. Right? There are things that were only

recently discovery.

I forgot to go now the the the name of the city, but

it's in Turkey. There is this ancient city in Turkey was

literally as far as we know now, which is recent discovery for

the last five years, I guess.

That like that ancient city was the first city of humanity, you

know, every any lasted literally over 1000 years. And that was

before the Sumerians before the Egyptians, before the Mayans and

Aztecs, you know, I'm saying like, so I'm talking about,

like, 12 16,000 years ago, that's a lot of time. And ever

since then, we've been in a cycle. There is no drift enough,

we still in the cycle, even when we go through periods of peace,

it's all just part of the cycle. You know, like, it's not like,

Oh, we got peace. And then we'll now we ruined No, it was already

just, we never broke out of it. You know, we still never broke

out of it. Because a lacks,

we still we're still children as a race, you know, as a, as a

brain, a collective brain. We're still very, very, very immature.

Oh, but we've been here for 1000s of years. Yeah, but we're

still immature. You know, like, in many ways, in many, many,

many, many ways. Like, the whole is the result of the of the sum

of the parts, right? So like, the entire result of all the

reality of humans is really the result of individual parts.

There is nothing divine that comes and dictates the war and

stuff. No, it's really just humans acting among each other.

You know?

So, how are we to expect anything different if we know

haven't met humans? You know, we know how humans are, we know how

lost they are in their own existence. Sometimes they even

live their entire lives being lost, you know, no matter if

they die at 20. Or if they die at you know, they might still

live their entire lives and completely lost.

Lost in the reasons lost in because reality is entirely

subjective, especially for the human mind. You know, we're

completely programmable, conditional, indoctrinate

double.

If you grab a human and you raise that human inside of a

white room, their entire lives, and you don't show them

anything.

And then when you're like, Lady older, and you walk in with

this,

let's even take off the whole experience of someone walking

in, I'd say that's fine. Because even that that would be like,

holy shit, who are you? You're an alien. Am I alone? What you

know, like it would be a hole. But let's say that person walks

in and shows a drawing of a kid that and says this is a picture

of outside the human would totally believes because they

don't have anything to relate to like any other information to

say like, oh, no, this is real. And this is a drawing, you know?

Like they It's how our mind works. We can be literally

educated to believe in any reality possible, even be happy

within war. If you look at like Vikings, for example. It's a

perfect example that most people would know. Vikings were

literally happy for killing people. And that was looked up

upon you know, I'm saying, but like, it was the reality of back

then because that's really how one person would sustain the

other reality right? Like everyone that's part of the

entire reality was sustaining the reality itself. So it takes

literally it took hundreds of years to break out of that.

Did you know of that one culture, but if you analyze the

whole violence of culture of violence, we're still in 1000s

of years in cycles, and we just changed our methods and stuff.

But we're still living in a war, justifying for the same reasons

justifying because of cultural differences. Religion

differences, why do you think countries have official

religions? It's really just a practice that started at the

beginning of modern organizations of societies in

order to avoid war, you know, like, they would say, like, No,

our country is officially Catholic, you know, so, let's

not fight about that. It's decided, you know, I'm saying

like, it's, it was literally because before you'd have

conflicts, right, like people would start like killing each

other and justifying because now they're not from here, they have

a different religion, you know, or something like that. So like,

it was officially determined one, so that the whole

government and state would like, educate the rest of the

population on that one religion and kind of like, uniform

things, right? Unify things. So like, stabilize by making

everyone in one year under one influence, build more churches

and whatever. So that's literally just a reason to avoid

conflict. But conflict keeps happening all the time. It's

it's unavoidable, you know? And it always comes from these like,

there's this

awesome philosopher that I love her Krishna Murthy. I don't know

how probably pronounce his name is a Indian guy.

Krishna Murthy. I think it's by like, he, he's like, Oh, the

Leggett's has probably around the same times as Alan Watts.

You know, I love ones. Yeah. So Alan Watts, I think it's

1920 1840, something like that. Krishnamurti is around the same

time. So you see, you see recordings of him the same way

as you as you find recordings of Alan Watts, right.

So like, really old recordings and stuff. And there's this one

that I really liked that Krishna moody is like having this

presentation, right? Like,

and he says, like, there is this

ever sustaining for 1000s of years, we've been at war every

year, every there's not a single year that there's no conflicts

on the planet. Never, ever, ever. We're not like, oh, no,

Russia and Ukraine. But yeah, like, have you met the rest of

the planet, you know, always at war. You know, the only

difference is how much you got to know of it, how much it

generates an engagement and all other things, right? But like,

even if you like people say like, oh, where's the world

going that same place or has always been going? You know?

In a circle, exactly. You know, and that circle is like, it has

worked out so far. I mean, we're still alive, right? Yeah. But

that circle, if we don't break out of it might one day just

blow itself up, man.

Like if we just keep going and going and going and going, Oh,

it's working. It's working and suddenly collapses on itself and

build up. Because we're not immortals. That's another thing

that philosophy will teach you right? Like, but before I go to

that immortals party, which is stoicism, like, so.

Krishna moody, right. So he says, like,

throughout history, there's been this collection of things that

sustain war, differences from religions that don't agree with

each other cultures that don't agree with each other countries

that don't agree with each other. There's scientists that

don't agree with each other, you know,

and all sorts of the games, you see, and he like, he literally

goes, like, only a fool can see this, you know, because it's so

obviously. So what is the the

supreme outcome of, like, desirable outcome to actually

start having wars? Is unification. The only way by

then we're talking about very dangerous things, too, you know,

because that process is not going to be beautiful. It's not

going to be a clean process. I mean, look at the world we have

now. Even in terms of of the cycle, it's pretty

unprecedented. We've never had the population numbers we had we

have now throughout history and we spent like, millions of years

with a very stable population, you know, of humans, because we

own we, it's that's a whole math thing, right. So like a

mathematical phenomenon. If you have a certain number of

populations, the scalability of reproduction.

especially off humans, which we barely have one or two kids,

every time we reproduce, right? I mean, if you have twins, that

would be two, but like, it's not like dogs that like 12 Kids have

offspring.

So we reproduce at a scalable rate, like, you can calculate

the probability of all of that. So if you have like, less than a

million humans on the entire planet, and that was like,

around the time, the Vikings and all that stuff, you know, like,

all the way into, I think, I think we broke, like, building

over

I think was like the 1800s, or 1900s was the first time we were

like, 1.1 billion kind of thing. So it took millions of years for

us to get you a certain number of population. Up until then, if

you had like a plague or anything that would like

designate 200,000 people, 500,000 people, that meant that

meant literally decimating half of the human life on the planet,

you know, so like, we were constantly being tested against

the probabilities of evolution, life, natural selection, and our

that's those things, you know,

literally, we only survived because some of us had some

immunities to some diseases and other things, you know, we

didn't, we didn't have vaccines and other things. So like, we

survived it literally, just by nature itself. So

if you like,

basically,

I lose, I lose my, my thoughts sometimes. So like, where was I

going at?

I mean, we were talking about evolution, we talked about the

circle of life, that conflict was always

part of it.

That it's the evolution thing, that the amount of people on the

planet was usually Yeah, very stable. And then they came

plague. And it diminished. So like, so basically, like, it's

only expected that some things would escalate in a certain way,

right, like wars and diseases and all other things. But like,

after we started getting to a certain numbers of populations,

because it's unprecedented, that's the thing I was talking

about. So it's, we're, I mean, we're literally unprecedented

moments of history right now. Like, it's not like, sure, there

is a cycle of things, but we are witnessing things that has have

never happened before, even the whole thing of us as a

biological life form, right? Like we were, imagine if you

have a jar at home, and then you put some plants inside, and then

over like, weeks or something, some like littles nail starts

growing because there was like a nag of his nail in the plant,

you know, like, and, like, we're literally like this, we're

inside of like, this closed environment, which is the

atmosphere, right? The atmosphere is, is a dome. And

the flatters isn't gonna like this, it's dome. But like that,

for tags, the you know, life itself with like, an

electromagnetic field, it protects from the solar arrays,

the radioactive solar arrays, right. So like, inside of this

environment, we grew as this result of, of molecules and

cart, organic molecules like carbon, and other things

throughout billions of years. And now we're like, we're like,

just like this, like, like this flee, you know, we're just like,

just jumping out of the atmosphere, and we're going to

another planet. This is like, completely unprecedented in this

search cycle of things, you know, like, it's a life form,

completely.

Taking control of its destiny, in a way I'm saying, like, it's,

it's completely different than everything that has ever before,

but at the same time, the cycle is still happening. So it's like

some of us through the natural selection of that's how history

has happened throughout life, you know, entirely, some of us

will still die inside of the cycle, while other members of

our life form will go into another cycle, you know, so it's

how it's been always like from going from tribes to countries,

you know, when we started reaching a certain amount of

population on the planet, then we started forming countries and

all that stuff. First was kingdoms, right? Like we had

kingdoms if you look like an England for example, England,

the history of England is a nice way. I mean, not only England,

but also Germany, you know, and Sweden and the entire Nordic

area, right. So like

If you look at that area, it's a perfect example of like, imagine

the whole plan and what's your stat, take, put a notion

everywhere else, you know, just in history, just imagine, humans

only existed in that area there. You know, we had like, before

the Vikings started attacking England, which is completely

isolated by water, right? Like an island. When before the

Vikings started attacking England had like, eight kings

and

nine kings or something, it was Wessex and a bunch of other I

can't remember the all the names of the kingdoms. But like, it

was only after the this external threat of the Vikings, almost

like an aliens, right, that they started working together. And

even through conflicts, even against themselves, right? Like

they didn't want to work together. So but like, one king

would like, you know, what, if we keep fighting among among

ourselves, we're going to keep losing to the Vikings and stuff.

So I know you're not going to stop fighting. So I'm going to

kill you take over the power. And then as a one unified

nation, I'm going to fight against the Vikings. But look at

that, you know, like what, what, what's the result? Now in

history, we have a country called England, right? And, and

it's pretty much one unified nation, even all these different

cultures and all that stuff. But like, it's the natural cycle of

history, you know, like, we have to have lessons in history in

order to create other solutions. So why do we know? That it for

example, the Holocaust, why do we know that it's so bad, and

that we have to do everything that we can to never happen

again? It literally because it happened?

You see my point? If it never happened? How would we know to

protect ourselves from happening in the future?

You know, so like, it's life itself, history will always

continually happening, because we either learn from it to stop

from happening again. We forget and it will happen again. Yes.

If we forget, it's like it never happened, you know?

Oh, that makes total sense. Yeah, even the form of Go ahead.

Go ahead. Yeah, every, like horrible thing, like put it in

very simple English that happened in the past, if we

choose to learn from it, if we went through intense pain, and

realized, Okay, now we got to change our course, we have to

change how we think we have to become more aware, more

sensitive.

It is for the better. Of course, it was so bad. And we, yeah, we

don't want to be living through it anymore, or not having people

suffering, but it's part of life. And we can do everything

to not make it repeat itself. It makes total sense. Yeah.

Exactly. And like, even the whole concept of countries that

we have now, right sovereignty, so the the ability that a

country has to completely have control over over its own

reality without suffering external influences. That's

pretty much what sovereignty is, right? It's my country, I deal

with my stuff. Even if there is a fire in the Amazon, you can't

just walk in with your army and help us because we are a

sovereign country, you know, so like,

even a smaller country, that pretty much has no defense or

anything, has the right to be protected because they are

sovereign, you know, so like, let's say, with a small country

out, they like Azerbaijan, you know, like if Azerbaijan gets

attacked by another nation and stuff. We made an agreement like

a club or literally as as the leaders of the countries that

existed as a result of kingdoms and wars and a bunch of other

stuff those countries started existing and after even more

time before we continue having more conflicts because of the

conflicts that were already happening like the first one war

you know, we then got together and you know what, this is not

sustainable. Like it's not like it used to be before that I have

like all have this land between us and my little tribe here in

your little castle over there with like 1000 soldiers and I

have another 2000 soldiers and then we meet and then we fight

by fight with like spears and stuff and it's my castle now,

you know, like, it's not like that anymore. We have a lot of

people a lot of people and everyone we have a lot of people

die, and it's a foggy nightmare. So it's, it's just not

sustainable. Sure there

his money involved in stuff but like, even with the money

involved in war, and all in all the interest is of creating war

because of that. It's still not sustainable. Even those guys

that want war, also know that too much war is a little

problematic, you know? So they said, You know what, let's get

together. And let's sign this document that we made a club,

it's literally just a club, imagine, like, friends from from

kindergarten got together, and you're like, every time we have

a break, we're gonna come to this plastic castle here, and no

one's gonna come in without a password. You know, I'm saying

like, that's really what a club is, you know, the UN is a club,

it's not a official thing, because it's not even sovereign

on itself. It's just the result of international cooperation.

You know? So

because the the majority of the countries, which is 219, I think

are in the UN. I think the total is 226 22. I don't know, there's

some countries that are not in the UN, like Taiwan, Taiwan.

Maybe confusing. But yeah.

The island outside of China, Taiwan, I think it's I want.

Yeah, so Taiwan is like a country on itself. But it's not

part of the UN. So no one no one that's part of the UN, Brazil,

Canada, Germany, no one recognizes Taiwan as a country,

you know, no one, because they are not part of the UN. That's

how it works. If you're part of the UN, everyone else recognizes

each other as a country, as an official country, and therefore,

sovereignty exists because they agree on creating sovereignty,

because they also want sovereignty for themselves.

Right. So it's like, we were constantly at this huge wave, we

were constantly this huge wave throughout history, right. And

then we kind of like, stabilized a little bit more with this with

this cooperation, because, again, population numbers, we

started reaching six, 7 billion people, you know, we're almost

at eight, I think we paid 7.5. Alright, so we're close, getting

closer to 8 billion people, you know, so like, the more people

on the planet, the more of these social demands of peace, harmony

started raising up more wars now are like, before, it was

completely defined by the leaders of a country. And now

it's like, if a leader of a country declares war, and then

another country, there is enough population of civilians to

completely take

change the outcome of that war, you know, like, either forced

the country to pull off the war, or other things, you know, like,

there is a, an unprecedented weight on that, you know,

there's a lot more weight on, on the on the power that the

civilians have, because we are more powerful as people in our

lives, too. We're not. We're not like the, you know, the farmers

backing in medieval times that literally had wood, what would

you do nothing. Now, like even a billionaire like Elon Musk can

like really change the outcome of certain things, like with the

Ukraine thing.

His invention of internet satellites, really made Ukraine

have a huge advantage over the war, because Russia would attack

them trying to cut their communications, right, which

makes strategic movements a lot harder if you don't have

communication, proper communication. But then the

whole internet is still working, because it's coming from the

from, from from satellites, you know, and a lot of satellites,

so it's not like Russia can just send a missile and destroy it.

Even though they might be trying, but like, so like, it's

it's one individual, one individual, it's not a country.

It's not,

you know, like, like, no other huge force, religion, people, a

group of people, no, it's one person, literally one person

that went through his own journey with his own goals, you

know, like a useful goal for humanity, which is advancement

of technology, you know, and other things. And he's using

that to help and I'm saying, so, like, you have a difference,

even when it comes to these people, right? You have like

Elon Musk, and Jeff Bezos. One is all about the money and

himself and his own ego, right? Like he wants to, like show off

and spend with futile things. And the other guy is like,

walking barefoot, lives under the poverty line, like literally

sleeps in couches and stuff. It's Elon Musk, you know, like,

the guy doesn't have any money in his bank account. Like he

literally doesn't liquidate anything. You know?

all his assets are completely.

I know, I totally agree. I just thought of Jeff and of course,

what he represents as a, you know, personality is very

extreme compared to Elon Musk. But think of the world

without Amazon, like we would Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's a

solution. Yeah. Yeah. It's also something that he he is, you

know, bringing to the world that we use, probably, I don't know,

every day, every week, every month at least. And

but he chooses to, to, yeah, present himself differently in

this maybe not as humble as Elon Musk.

So I just did make useful things for sure. Exactly. Actually.

Even even his own like he's also competing against Elon Musk,

where the whole space thing, right. And that's awesome.

That's great. You know, like, even Elon Musk loves the whole

thing. Like he's, like, excited for more competition, because it

inspires him to be better. Like, oh, they're doing the Exactly.

Yeah, yeah. Commercial little boy more. Yeah, yeah, it creates

great things, if you don't let it crush you. And I love in

everything you say, like I take so much more away from from what

you say. But what I take away is that the individual is so much

more powerful than we want to admit at times. And then we feel

at times and this leads to my next question to you.

How do you like how do you use media? How do you inform

yourself? How do you keep the big picture in mind?

Share with us to help people who are listening who are right now

feeling Yeah, powerless and desperate, and everything is

dark, every everything is gonna go down? What can we share with

with the people who, yeah, feel a little more dark than a couple

years ago?

Well, I think everything starts with like, at least for me, I

approach pretty much every information I have in reality

itself from my stoic point of view. You know, stoicism is like

a philosophy, not only influenced by the, the, what's

his name, whatever story by name of the guy itself, but also

influenced by Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, you know, in other

philosophers and stuff, which are the ones I study more there

is this, I forgot the name of the guy, but like, it's the guy

that which the name story comes from, you know, but like, That

guy I never really studied. I've always started mark as a realist

in Seneca is my main stoic point of view, type of

influencers, you know.

And

basically, what stoicism is always talking about is

to, it's pointless to worry about the things that you don't

have control over. You know, and, and, from that point on

understanding the things that you don't have control over,

even goes over understanding life itself, death and other

things, you know, you always have to remind yourself, you're

mortal, you know, and life is life, you know, it's part of

there is there's things that you can't control, you have a

choice, you either live life, understanding those things, or

you will always be in pain, because of the things that you

can control. It's a, it starts with that choice, you know, I'm

saying, identifying those things, what is the reality? And

what is the things that are inside of that reality that I

can control?

History is one of those things, and why were you not sad when

other moments of history happened? Because you either

weren't there or because you never really got to know about

that, you know, so when you get to know about another piece of

information, you have a choice of what you do with that, you

have a choice to behave like okay, but if I didn't know this,

would it be affecting me, and only I'm here in my country,

things are working, and I hope things work out there, even if

they get worse before they do, you know, but it is part of the

getting better, you know, so like, even the whole conflict

with Russia and example, like the way this is happening,

it was unavoidable. It will happen it would happen any and

in the future at any moment, you know, the same way as already

started happening since years ago. You know,

the whole conflict in that area is ancient, you know, like

they're the Ukraine has been invaded since it was a kingdom.

for 1000s of years, you know, and because of that conflict in

that area. And for me, during that time in history, Ukraine

once was part of the Soviet Union. But before the Soviet

Union, they were independent as well, you know, so they got

consumed by the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union took over

for generations in there. And then the Soviet Union, lost the

war and then got broken apart.

Ukraine declared itself independent, and, and separated

its history, again, from from Russia, but the whole thing is

happening. And because, again, it hasn't been solved, it has

always been is pushed forward, and, you know, like, but the

threat always still exists is the whole ideology. Putin is a

guy that since he took over, he talks about bringing the Soviet

Union back in power, you know, like, it's an open discussion

thing. It's not like, hidden from anyone and stuff, he talks

about it,

he talks about it in a way that's not gonna bring him any,

any international issues. So he talks very softly about it. But

you know, it's in his mind, it's, you know, it's part of his

plan. And I would say,

sylvatic union never really stopped existing, you know, they

were forced to change their names, they were forced to

follow under as a specific type of regime, you know, because of

NATO and not 10, you know, like, the, the international community

after the war is the conflicts took over, and like, forced them

to stay in line, but the organization itself, the

ideology, kept living on for generations, you know, so Putin

is really still the result of that ideology, it's still the

same Soviet Union mentality. So it would, the only way this

would never happen is if one day, and he would die, and then

some other democratic movement would take over in Russia,

freedom of market, you know, freedom of living, you know,

everything else being gay, and all that stuff. And if, like,

the whole reality of Russia would change politically, but in

even for that, it meant, it wouldn't be like, when they put

in with his call for elections, and allow that to happen, you

know, it would be either by a coup in a good start, so like,

like a strike a government, like, you know, like, attack,

right, like they would take over? Or

are you him just having a health issue itself and dying, and then

the power being thought of, by other people involved in and you

know, and hopefully the right one taking over? So like, it's

not a beautiful process, even when it would be happening would

be like, Oh, that's nasty, you know, no one would like that. It

would be like, oh, where's the world going out? You know, but

it's going at the progress that it has to, you know, so like,

even this whole conflict itself right now, that's happening,

it's better to be happening now. I mean, I'm talking about again,

like, oh, my god, are you saying that it's good? No. Again, we're

looking at history from like, imagining the planet, you know,

and like looking for 1000s of years and stuff, it's better to

happen now, while we still have some kind of organization with

the whole world and stuff. And then might be the last conflict

between that that issue with the Russia and Ukraine. Because even

the movement, this movement, strategically speaking, this

whole movement that Putin did, is dumb, it's his final, like,

it's gonna be his own undoing. You know, it's, it's literally

his downfall. So like, he's going to either keep pushing,

and then eventually win, and then take over, and then from

that take over his territory is going to be breaking a bunch of

international laws agreed by, because once he takes over and

Ukraine becomes part of Russia, then his territory is too close

to atomic bombs from the allies, atomic bones, bombs from the

obtain and all that stuff. And that breaks a bunch of other

rules and stuff. So he will demand those atomic bombs to be

removed, you know, and then the Allies will be like, we're not

going to remove them, you know, another conflict is gonna keep

happening, because now his territory is too close that and

he's going to demand those things and stuff. Or he's not

going to win, which is most likely, there's no way he's

going to take over Ukraine, because Ukraine is like, right

now. It's a proxy war, right? No other countries can get involved

because if they get involved, then it triggers a bunch of

other international mechanisms of agreements of defense, you

know, and stuff. So no, no other countries can get involved, but

they can get involved by proxy, which means they can send

weapons and technology

Any information and money to Ukraine, you know, and help

Ukraine hold off the threat. And so far, Russia is getting their

ass kicked in. I mean, it's been bad for Ukraine and lots of

destruction. Yes. But it is not going like Putin had imagined,

puts in thought and it was in a week we're going to take the

whole team three days, we're going to take the whole thing.

No, he's like getting his ass kicked. He would say like,

there's there's even one video that like three jets of Russian

three, three Russian jets more advanced even got taken down by

one jet of, of, of Ukraine, you know. And there's even this

whole motivation behind it, right? Like the, the Russian

Russian soldiers, they're being told that Ukraine is getting

invaded by Nazis and communists, and you know, and there is a

dictatorship going on and stuff.

And so like, they're not super motivated, because they, it's

kind of like you believe because you've been indoctrinated to

believe in whatever the government tells you. But at the

same time, you kind of know something's off, you know, so

you're not really fighting with all your strength. But the

Ukrainians are fighting with their souls for this, you know,

so one jet fighter can take on that more advanced all the ones

because they are at their right, they're feeling like I need to

defend my country. And the Russians are just like, well, I

gave I'm following orders, they told me to attack man. But

they're not really doing with like, I need to go there and

fight, you know, they're not fighting with their souls. So

this war is not gonna go like, they will not win, you know,

it's going to be destructive and stuff. But at some point, he

will either have to retreat, or he will follow the, to someone

inside of the government, someone inside of the

government, even the army itself might be like, You know what,

this is insane. I'm losing my man, and I'm losing everyone and

stuff, you know, so like, we just gonna go and take, like,

either kill him, or literally just take him out of power, put

him in jail, throw him in some jail, secret jail, that no one's

in Siberia in and no one's gonna know about it.

So like, I mean, Napoleon, Napoleon was kind of like that,

and no one killed Napoleon. Because it's a symbol of power.

Like, if you kill that guy, that power just explodes everywhere,

and people will fight for it, it's gonna be nasty. But if you

just like, put him in a secret place, and no one knows about

it, and it's like, well, he might come back, and like, I'm

better just behave a little bit, you know, like, so people kind

of hold back their, their ambitions a little more, because

the guy is still alive. So, you know, but anyway, like, it's not

gonna go too far, you know. And even another option is, he might

misfire something, and hit another country, and hit another

population, or even kill the member of another, another

nation that's inside of Ukraine, and is important, like the

leader of some Indian political party, you know, that's in

Ukraine, I don't know anything like that. And by that, causing

the other countries to get involved, not by proxy by

directly, and then push him back to live, you know, and then take

it get inside of Russia and take over like, like, like we did

with Afghanistan and other countries, you know, like, Well,

anyway, that might be the last conflict, that might be the

conflict that we need in order for this to not happen again.

Yeah. The same way as we had other moments in history. Yeah.

It all makes sense. What do you say and but it's not in your

control? No, it's not. It's not in my control. And I love the

stoic approach

that you shouldn't get to tangled up with things that you

have no control over. I have a friend from from Calgary who

actually flew to Poland and is now on to Ukraine to actively

help. And I find that so incredibly cool, because he was

just sick and tired of feeling powerless and Calgary in on his

little farm there, having all the, you know, everything he

needed, and decided to go and help and I find that, but

look how unprecedented that is, right? Because that person is

just one individual. Imagine 500 years ago, would that person be

able to have the power to be like, I want to relocate my body

to the other part of the planet? That would be hard as fuck.

Like, that's a lot of power. And how does that power come from?

airplanes, which is an advancement that we had through

science through engineering.

Through education in universities, allowing more

people to have more information and then have a lot more

engineers working on those things. Right. And but we're in

the airplanes also used for war. Right after they were invented.

I mean, they were actually, their advancement were pushed

because of war. You know, like, before the war, they were just a

prototype. And then the war came in, they were like, you know,

that prototype, let's make that thing work better, you know,

like, and then they just kept like, week after week, releasing

new new airplanes, new airplanes, new airplanes, new

airplanes. And then after the war, we were like, oh, let's

make this nice commercial airplanes to take people to the

other side of the planet. Yeah, because we learned from the

lesson how to use the information we had in a better

way. You know, we still have war airplanes. But you know, but we

still making progress. Yeah, it's gonna take a lot more time

for even not have those war ones. Yeah, yeah. And what I

also loved what you said is, like, I imagined, Russia and and

Ukraine as sparring partners, you know, martial arts, I love

martial arts and to picture okay, the one guy has just

hatred and wants to destroy. And the other guy was, he wants to

have fun, he wants to conquer his opponent and be good at what

he does. And the different intention that your sparring

partners can have, is going to directly affect your outcome.

I think that's what I understood what you said with it. And it's

funny that you took it to martial arts because like I take

a lot of my analysis from martial arts to

brown belt of Kung Fu, yellow, which is not much in taekwondo,

one year of Krav Maga when two years of Muay Thai, and I think

that's a Oh, no, we didn't see come on kickboxing. Yeah, no, I

don't like fullcontact. I never like to stand there and be like,

I'm gonna grab you here and I'm gonna grab your leg, like I

don't like before that I feel like kicking the guy's face. And

it's my instinct is more like fast contact.

But in any way, like kung fu is the one I advanced the most

right? Like, almost got to Black Belt.

By like, I did, I think like 80 years of kung fu in my life. And

my master was very philosophical, you know, like,

we learned a lot about like discipline, and respect, and all

the things and even how to understand these conflict

things. Right. I also read a lot of tsutsu, The Art of War, and

it's kind of one of my favorite books. And it's a very simple

one, you can literally read the whole thing in one afternoon.

You know,

it's very simple. It's just notes, quick notes. You know,

it's not like complicated taxes or anything.

By like, if you put that concept of like, the entire thing that

teaches you with martial arts and all that stuff, like I

analyze a lot of things like this, in martial arts is

actually one of the first things to in my life that I realized

that like, depression and sadness, or any type of things

that you think you don't have control, because there's that

too. You might be sure there's things that you don't have

control, but there's some things that you think you don't have

control. And you also have to watch out for those things. So

you don't become like

a communist, like someone, you know, comfortable zone, right?

Like, oh, I can't do anything about it, right? That's kind of

like a nihilism even, you gave up on thinking or doing

anything, because you think everything you don't have

control. But there's some things that you do have control your

mental health, your reality, you know, even if he moves very

slowly, but you can change your reality, in 10 years period, you

can become anyone, any one, you know, you might be the person

that just plays your game all day is overweight, and is bad at

sports and all that stuff. But if you decide, then in 10 years,

you will become the guy that runs in full on Adidas suit with

his golden retriever at 5am in the morning, you know, running

around that those people that you see in the morning, when

you're driving to work any like that guy's running ads. I barely

even know walking up already, you know, like, the guy's

already running and jogging with his dog and stuff. You can

become any type of person, any personality, any, you know,

profile of type of person. You know, when you say like, I'm

like this, this is my type of person. I'm introvert, I'm Dez.

And

I'm lazy, I will go by, you know, you can change the whole

profile and become an entirely different person. You know, and

And that's really like through these analysis of martial arts.

So what's your favorite quote from Bruce Lee? Or any martial

arts?

Well, Bruce Lee actually one of the favorite ones I have is the

one about water, right?

Yeah, like

it. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put

water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. If you put water

into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or

you can crash. Be water, my friend. Yeah, I remember by

heart.

I could be sitting here for a couple more hours and listen to

you. And I'm pretty sure we didn't disappoint our listeners.

And I really feel my podcast wouldn't be complete if I didn't

have you here because

your words make total sense. I love where your brain goes. And

I love how you explain things, how you express yourself. But

your energy, like I wish someday we can put this on YouTube

is so soothing and so close to saying fatherly brotherly and

know your you love people, you went through extreme hardship, I

wish I could hug Gabrielle from when he was seven years old and

homeless.

And tell him that he's going to become a wonderful pressures.

Man, I wouldn't believe you. I wouldn't believe like, even if

you went back 10 years ago, and told me the person I am today

and know, everything that I do on a daily basis. I wouldn't. I

would say like, meth, you're crazy. I hate mathematics. You

know?

Like, I wouldn't leave. I've always wanted to be a scientist,

but like, back then it would be more like computer science, you

know, but, but even that I kinda like I dropped out in and I went

to study international relations, because I was too

afraid of the math. You know, when I was like, taking already

calculus three hours, am I? Why am I doing this? I don't see the

point. You know, because I had a better education too. I might

teach as my professors from the University back in Brazil, they

were to just memorize this. Why for just do it, you know, they

didn't really show, they didn't guide information as like, if

someone like me, were to go back in time and talk to me about

math, you know, and show me the point behind it, I probably

would be marvelous, you know, like, it'd be like, Oh, my God,

really? Oh, that like, I didn't see the point in like,

how everything has a number, you know, like, everything,

everything. And there is like these beautiful, pleasing

coincidences of numbers in nature, you know, like, from

ratios of sizes of planets to the strength of gravity, if

gravity was like, a little bit weaker, planets would just

started flow flying everywhere. If gravity was just a little bit

stronger planets, which is followed to their stars and

things would be like, completely chaos all the time. It's there's

this mathematical balance, it's a number that you can calculate,

and you find between mass and gravity, you know, the

attraction is it's a mathematical balance. You know,

so like, when you understand how numbers apply to these balances,

it's, it's curious, you want to know more, you want to

understand more, it's hard. Like, don't get me wrong, I suck

at it. I'm really bad at math still, you know, but like, I

study all the time, like, I'm always studying, like, what does

it really like? And these things, I would not even dream

of understanding. You know, like, I look at them, and I'm

like,

I understand that, you know, but why do I understand them?

Because I pushed against the pain, you know, of? Yes. And I

still do. Yeah, every time I'm gonna start studying. I'm like,

Ah, it's gonna.

Because, you know, it takes eight hours of studying for you

to like, oh, oh, I understand this question now.

But then next, next, next day, when you approach that same

question, again, it's not eight hours anymore. It's going to be

another eight hours for a new type of subject, new type of

calculation. But then it's not going to be any more the next

time. Yeah, so it's just like, you just have to keep pushing.

It's kind of like the same thing with meditation. People say, Oh,

I can do math, because you don't do math. Oh, I can't meditate,

because you don't meditate. You know, like, if you don't

meditate, it's not going to be like, Oh, I have the ability of

sitting down and being like, ah, meditation. You know, if you

never meditated before, like if you never meditated, even if

you're a super calm person, I've seen it I've seen

CNET, Let's meditate. The guy is like super calm. He always

speaks like this, but never meditated in his own life. And

then let's sit down and meditate. Sit down and design

it can't focus can't like, can't like, let go of the body and

relax. And I'm saying, always like, eating something, shaking

something, or like checks the phone, you know, like, so a

person that never meditates will never be able to meditate right

away. It's about like, creating the habit of every day. And even

maybe even removing the word like, when you put like, I'm

going to meditate, then you put this pressure off a method of a

process. Instead of saying, I'm going to meditate, I'm going to

take some time to think

that's basically and I'll just take five minutes, sit down and

think about things that your mind wants to think, whatever

thought comes, deal with it process the thought, slow down,

you know, I mean, we're everyday driving everyday cooking, and

talking to people and going to work. And like, we wake up at

night phone, and then go and then do things that are good.

And then we get to a point where you're like, I'm gonna sleep and

then repeat everything the next day, right? But like, when do

you allow yourself to think about what your mind wants to

think that what I'm feeling? What is it that I'm feeling

where I am? Where Am I Now, right now? You know?

Am I okay? Am I happy? You know, like, and sometimes people say,

like, I'm depressed, I don't know why. Because you haven't

allowed your mind to find the why, you know, you're always

running, running, running. So like, it's meditation. It's

autopilot. Exactly. So like, meditation is literally just

allowing yourself to sit down for a moment, and

not have your mind think about anything else, that it doesn't

have to just think about whatever it wants to think it's

scary at first. Because sometimes, depending on how much

you have bottled up, you're gonna have to face a bunch of

really bad thoughts that on a daily basis, when those thoughts

come, you just like, and then you do something else, and you

go work and answer phone or you know, but when you're meditating

for the first time, you're going to face those thoughts of like,

the things that are making you anxious, and you don't want to

deal with it. Sometimes it's even some work that you're

putting off, or, or you dropped out of university or college,

and it's way past beyond the time for you to go back. And

you're like, feeling anxious in your life every day and feeling

sad. And you don't know why it's because you're resisting to the

movements that you have to do. Even in physics, you learned

this, there's not a single thing that is still nothing is still,

even if you grab, like, any piece of like, this, you it's a

plastic, right, and you put inside it on top of a table

completely

not moving, is it still

it's moving through space and time, at a velocity so high,

that it creates matter, that it becomes matter. You know, saying

like, the planet, the solar system, everything's moving

through a fabric of reality, you know, the solar system is

largest. And that's another thing like, right, when you when

you look at these things, it kind of brings some peace first,

it's scary, but like after you understand that there's these

much, much bigger things they knew, you know, much bigger

forces, and you're just part of this mechanics, you know, then

you you understand that. It's, it's literally what life is all

about, you know, so like, the solar system itself. It's not

just this thing that we keep imagining from school, like

sitting there and some plants moving around. And that's it,

you know, no, it's this raging thing that's moving through

around the galaxy. When dinosaurs existed, when

dinosaurs existed, it was on the other side of the galaxy,

literally on the opposite side of the galaxy, in distances that

we can't even comprehend you human mind, like traveling or

even seeing at the other side of the galaxy is impossible, you

know, because all the light that is in the way, you know, all the

debris and particles and dust and everything, it's impossible

to see anything. So it's literally millions of light

years away, you know, and like, meaning the distance that light

would take to travel in millions of years, you know, you release

light. Anyway, millions of years, that distance is how far

the dinosaurs were, you know, like it's on the other side of

the galaxy. So like, we're moving around that and even the

galaxy itself is also moving through space, you know, and

that's

so

Like, we're we're literally just existing because our matter is

moving at such speeds, that it's vibrating into existence. You

know? So like you're made of atoms, right? These atoms are

always vibrating. But like, they're literally emptiness,

your hand is made of 99.999% vacuum, nothingness, literally,

and why can't you go through objects? Right? Why can't you go

through your phone or your table or anything if it's 99% vacuum,

because it's vibrating at such speeds that it exists is in all

places at the same time. In this reality, if you analyze the

atom, at an atomic level, at a quantum level, you're going to

see the atom vibrating, and occupying this huge area by

vibrating so fast that it's going everywhere, right? But

like, if you put a bunch of all the other atoms together, and

they were vibrating like this, they occupy a space so big, that

when you come to this dimension of our reality, it's matter

solid matter, you know, but like, imagine, for example,

perfect example for this ice cube, and liquid water. Why can

you make them go through each other? Because they're vibrating

at a different level? You know, but why can't you bake make one

nice, go through the other ice, because they're vibrating at the

same level. So they can't go through each other? You know,

same thing, you can walk through the atmosphere right now there

is it's not like here, there's air, some people will say,

there's air here. And some people will say there's nothing

here, right? Depends on how they see reality. They'll say, oh,

there's nothing between us. Or they say, oh, there's just air

between us, I say there's an ocean of gases between us. You

know, because that's what I see. I see us submerged by a notion

of gases. And this ocean of gases, you can really weight,

the weight of the, of that pressure on you. And it's about

three kilos, every inch or something, say cubic

centimeters. You know, so like, it's the weight of air itself,

because you're literally under the water, your body evolved to

push that against, you know, so everything's like a balance, you

know, say, like, when you understand these things, you

know that you're not just existing, you know, you're like,

literally the manifestation of meta into consciousness.

You know, like your atoms, your atoms, what a tree is made off,

what a tree is made off, people would say, it's made of water.

It's made of light, I've seen people say it's made of light,

it's a good intuition. Like, I like thinking, photosynthesis,

it's made of light. No, that would be a lot of energy to make

matter as dense as wood and leaves out of pure light.

The tree is made of carbons.

Basically, it's an eight, nine something percent carbon. And

then there is like other other materials, other ingredients,

right, like, like even oxygen itself, carbon monoxide, carbon,

carbon monoxide, and other things. So like the tree is made

99% of carbon. And that carbon comes from the soil, the plant

in itself, basically, you know, and the carbon that comes from

that also wants came from other trees. Right? That's how we,

when we want to prepare a farm or something, we're going to

throw a type of fertilizer that is based on other carbon life

forms. Like like FISAs, for example, it's basically as

putting a very rich in, in in carbon and other things and

other nutrients, soil onto the earth so that the tree can grow

and take those nutrients out to form itself, right? Same thing

as you as a human.

throughout your lifetime, I think it's up until you're like

20 years old or something. When you're 20 or something. Your

whole body is already a whole new body. It's not the same body

that came out of your mom. It's not you know, not even one

single cell was in there in your mom anymore. Because you lose

all your cells, and you replenish them with new ones,

bone cells, skin cells, hay, all that stuff. You replenish all of

that throughout your life. So imagine if you only eat

McDonald's your whole life. What are you made of when you're 20

Ramen of McDonald's?

Exactly. You made off whatever molecules were inside of that

food that you ate, you know. So you are what you eat, you know,

the same way as your mind is what you consume. So you have

like it there is a

there's a correlation of all of these things.

So like, and even even these items, go, go go.

I love what you just said. And I love how you, you describe the

Yeah, what the tree is made of what we are made of, and that

our mind is what we consume. And then when you look at the the

atoms and carbon, everything that is around us, and our

consciousness, and how we can change our perspective on those

material things that we think that are lifeless, you know, is

is a whole whole new topic that I would like you to come back to

the show and talk about it. But today, unfortunately, we have to

come to an end, I feel very rude to Yeah, no, no problem. If you

let me I speak for hours. Yeah, so it's,

it's beautiful to listen to you. Let me let me just close a

little bit of that thought of the of the actual thing. So

like, the carbon that you're made of, and that came from

trees, and all that stuff like, all of these, what's important

of understanding is that there's a finite number, you know,

because there's not a single atom that is created by life. So

like, if you have a kid, right, we've run out, you grow a kid,

and then you have that kid and the kid grows, that kid is not

new carbon, it's really just made off the carbon that you

consumed throughout your life, because when you have a child,

it's going to extract some of your own new nutrients. And it's

also going to extract some of the nutrients that you consume

while you eat. Right. So you have to have a different diet

and all that stuff. So like, all of that those carbons, and all

that stuff also came from other things. And if you keep tracking

everything, it goes back to stars itself, you know, so like,

literally, the carbon and all the molecules that you made of,

they are the result of a

physic physics process, a chemical process called Fusion,

right. So it's like, it's an unimaginable amount of energy

that we're now discovering, we're creating fusion reactors,

for the first time in history, we're still testing them, but

they're kind of working, we can't really stabilize the

energy because it's a lot of energy, it's pretty much

creating a sun itself, because the sun is a star, and the star

is the only thing in nature capable of creating that process

of fusion, you know, so like, every single piece of item that

you made of came from stars that blew up and then became gases,

and then formed into planets and fell into the atmosphere, and so

on, so forth, right? So meaning, there is a finite number of

things for everything. Even if you had too many humans alive on

the planet. That means you extracted all of that from the

soil, and it's in the bodies of people, you know, I'm saying. So

you, you are extracting from a limited source, you know, carbon

and molecules and everything, it's limited. It's always, I

mean, we have huge amounts of it. But there is a limit, you

know, there is a limit. So if we put like 32 billion people on

the planet, and those people also have to consume even more,

and all of this stuff, it's not sustainable. That's why it's

important for us to keep evolving, going to further

developments, you know, like, even going to other planets, it

might be ridiculous, it might sound like, oh, it's gonna be

for rich people and stuff. No, no, you might even at the

beginning. Sure, so what? So it was every other type of

expansion of our life, you know, when we went to other countries,

and he explored all the continents with the conflicts

and all that stuff. But, you know, we're learning from all of

that. And we keep we have to keep going, because it's all

limited. But the whole universe has a lot more to offer for us.

So yeah, basically, just remember that everything's

connected, you know, the universe, everything reality,

you know, and you're made of the reality itself. Stars blew up.

And then everything came to came together to then form a life

form. The first unicellular light life form, right, like one

so and then that's how it multiplied and then eventually

became a group of cells that then kept evolving, and then

started thinking, I'm depressed.

And I'm saying,

Yeah, because he forgot the whole connection of life itself.

Imagine Do you think animals animals, that's an perfect thing

that came? I have to say that. I know we're extending you a

little bit but like, the whole thing of analyzing how animals

perceive reality, animals are always in the present. You know,

they don't have the complexity of like the complex mind of like

approaching reality and and suffering by anticipation. You

You know, suffering by imagination? This might happen

tomorrow, where's my life going? No, you're just, I had to eat.

You know, that's the only thing that goes through their mind I

have to eat. Basically, they're just living in the present,

right? And they don't, the only way an animal can perceive

depression is if you torture an animal, you know? So imagine

this, what what does that say about depression? It means that

if you're feeling depressed, you're feeling tortured, and

you're feeling tortured. Why? Because you're not expressing

your life purpose. You know, like, in the same way, as an

animal, an animal feels happy, because it's, it's doing what

it's meant to do, you know, like, it's connected in His own

purpose of, of his instincts and, and his desires. And he

goes, after he gets the food, and he feels happy, and he keeps

going, it doesn't feel sad that he has to sleep under the rain

on a forest by a tree, you know?

Because he doesn't desire these other things of like, more

comfort and all that stuff. He doesn't complicate reality in

life in itself. So it's a matter of everything's choice. That's

why it's a choice of how you perceive it. How you go about

it, you know, it's not like a choice that you feel depressed?

No, it's a choice of how you perceive what is causing your

depression and what you do about and, and all of that stuff.

What a beautiful closing, I'm glad that you brought up the

animals because I can totally see this being true. And

we can learn lots from the animals, we can learn lots from

other people who go through depression and learn from their

perspectives. And thank you so much for for all your energy

today. I'm sure you must feel exhausted now. Or even more

energized than ever.

more energized more. This is great. This is great. And

it reminds me you know, yeah, no, this is great. And people

have to hear this. People have to, you know, sometimes be

sucked out of water and drink water. Stay hydrated. And yeah,

I'll have you back here with us. All right. Yeah. To me, it's not

even like a brush or anything. I'm just here having a

conversation. So whenever you want to have that call, we can

have a call.

Well, this was one of the longest interviews I ever had

here.

I hope you got a lot of value out of it. I think my main

takeaway is that we need to open our minds we need to be willing

to see another person's perspective and sometimes in

doing so, and letting go of our grip

of our opinions. We feel better, we feel more connected.

Alright, I'm gonna I'm gonna let you go for now. Take good care.

If you want to connect with Gabriel. I will put all the

links into the show notes and I'll be out there for you very

soon again. Bye bye.