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Hey, welcome back to another edition of the Daily Bible Podcast. It's Pastor PJ back again with Pastor Mark Kogan. I'm glad to be back. I, there was a lot of infighting here about whether you would have me back or not it was touch and go for a minute. There we were like, do we bring him back again? And then we decided, you know what? We will bring it back. Yeah, we'll bring it back. So I'm here. I'm here. Yeah. Glad to be here too. Yep. In fact, Bernard introduced you by name today. Oh, did he really? You got a call out now? We don't know if Bernard's gonna be able to handle the pronunciation of your name because you're talk. Let's talk about that for a second. Why? Why the C and not the K? So my middle name is Christopher with a C. Okay. And my last name is C with a CO for the Cogan. So my parents just, it was just an aesthetic choice. That's it. Because they didn't want the K to interrupt everything else. Yeah. Okay. Apple doesn't agree. They fixed it recently, but for a long time. A long time. Yeah. Apple would auto correct. MARC to MARX. Marx. Yeah. Huh? Not MARK. Not MARK. Just straight to Carl Marx. I wonder what that says about it. Interesting. It turns out though, it does turn out that is the Irish spelling of my name, which is cool. 'cause I am Irish. There you go. But that wasn't my parents' intention. But maybe subconsciously they, they didn't know that it was That's right. Yeah. That's right. And my name is also the English spelling of the Roman God of War Mars. Okay. Which was also not intentional. And you like Elon Musk who wants to get to Mars. That's right. So I guess we just played six degrees of separation to get to Elon Musk. You know what Warren's middle name is? No, it's Mars, believe it or not. Okay. We're naming pastor's kids off after God's war in foreign pagan deities. That's right. Awesome. That's my name too. So you have a passer with that. Guess problem. And then Lincoln's middle name is Mark with a K or a C? With a C. With a C, okay. And then Warren's name is Mars, which is the point was. So that they would have the same, middle name. If Lincoln's middle name had been marked with a k, I think that would've caused all kinds of confusion. So I'm glad that you kept it. Maybe we'll go back and change it just to, yeah. Mix things up. Shirley's middle name, is it like Athena or No? No. Okay. No. Shirley's middle name is Rust. Okay. You can tell Julie, and I don't care too much about the middle names being something particularly up the top, but, okay. Unpack that one for us. That name. Is actually really meaningful. So that is my grandmother's maiden name. Okay. On my dad's side. Okay. So we try to hit all the different totally. Branches of your family. Yeah. And we think middle names are a little bit silly, so we try to pick, we try to pick some kind of different ones. Yeah. Funnier ones, yeah. My, my middle name is Frederick. And much like your. Last name or your first name? It ends in a C, but no K Oh, interesting. Which is the German interesting pronunciation I guess of it. So yeah, my middle name's Frederick. So there you go. What are your kids' middle names or is that Michael? Personal? No, Michael Grace. Here's the test. Charles Peter and Asher. Wow. Good job. Nailed it. 10 outta 10. I can't prove that. Five. Five don't have 10. Maybe that's Pastor Rod. That's his job. His job. Hey, here's a question I'm curious to get your answer. Somebody texted me the other day about this. They they texted the question, I guess they didn't really ask the question as much as imply the question in their text, but it led to a conversation back and forth here. Let's talk about Angels for a second. Are angels saved or not? I don't think angels are saved. I think humanity has a particularly special place in God's plan. So I think angels have a specific role in God's administration of things. But I don't think we should use the term saved to describe them. In the same sense that we're saved as Christians. And having Christ atoning work on the cross done for. For us. Even Satan doesn't have the possibility of being saved. After being thrown from heaven. He doesn't have that particular path in front of him. And I think that speaks to his creation, how he's made as an angel as opposed to a human. Okay. So we wouldn't say saved. Could you say elect? Are there elect in non elect angels? Oh, that's a great question. I don't know. I'm not sure that. Term is necessarily a helpful delineator because we connected to salvation so often 'cause we connected to salvation. Okay. That would be what I would say. But I do think that, we, I'm, I say I think I'm confident God knew that Satan was going to sin. Yeah. And so in that sense, I do think it's, we could use the term elect, meaning that there are angels, not all the angels are gonna sin. So there are angels that are. Gonna not sin. And there's angels that are gonna sin, right? Or have sinned. And so I do think in some sense you could use that word, but yeah. Yeah, I agree. And even we're gonna talk about this Sunday in, in one Peter, because Peter says that the gospel is something into which angels long to look implying that they don't understand the gospel. And even if you go to Hebrews, the writer of Hebrews says that he had to ma be made like his brothers in every respect. That Jesus came and took on flesh. Jesus did not become like an angel. In fact. Psalm eight says, in the writer of Hebrews, picks up on this that he was made a little lower than the angels, even for a period of time in order to identify with humanity. And that identification with humanity is why the angels look at the cross and can't understand the cross. And it's also why the fallen angels look at the cross and can't be redeemed by the cross because Jesus identified. Us. He didn't identify with the angelic beings. And you mentioned that they have sinned. And that's another distinction there. We believe that at some point in time before creation that Satan fell. And when he fell, he took with him his fallen angels the angels that went with him, that decided to follow him instead of staying in the presence of God. And that was it. And from that time forward, you have the, and that's where I think it's, it would be helpful for the elect and the non elect, the, or the holy and the fallen. And there, there aren't angels sinning today in the sense that falling from the presence of God, that all took place with Satan at some point before creation. Some of those angels even have been condemned and chained in prison. And and Peter talks about that I believe in second Peter. Yes. Yeah. And. And they're waiting for the very end and waiting for the eschaton and the final judgment to take place. Some believe that those are directly connected with the sin of of the Nephilim That and I would agree. Yeah. That's what I, that's where I would land on those. Yeah. That they're the angel angelic beings that cohabited with women and produced the Nephilim from back in Genesis chapter six. Man, the angelic world is fascinating, but one thing that we can say with. A fair degree of certainty is that the angels can't be saved because once they fell. That was it. There's no redemption for them and that's another privilege that we have as believers to know the gospel. And even the angelic beings don't understand the gospel. We understand things about Jesus and about the gospel, about God that even the angelic race doesn't understand, which is super cool for us and a huge privilege for us. Yeah. You use that word privilege. It really is a privilege. Totally. And we can often think of angels as something that they're not. We can think of angels as some sort of godlike being and they're not. And we see that in one Peter. We see that the angels long to understand these things and we get to understand those things. Isn't that amazing? Isn't that amazing that God has privileged us humans And he, like you said, even describes Jesus as being a little bit lower than the angels. For a time humans get to understand these things about God. I think some of that's experiential. We angels are not humans. But I think there's also, I think there's also an intellectual component to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree. Yeah. And so when you're watching the the Christmas movies this year, every time a bell rings, an angel does not actually get its wings. The angels are in the state that they were created in, and. Those that fell and those that didn't are with the Lloyd Stone. So, let's jump into our DVR for today. We've got a lot of text, Jeremiah 41 through 45, and a lot of this is narrative. And chapter 41, you remember Giah was put in place by Nebuchadnezzar. And so after Nebuchadnezzar came through and took out Zakiah the Judean King there, he left. Alaya in his p in his place. And Alaya was not a king, but the governor. And so he was gonna govern the people there, try to keep order on behalf of Nebuchadnezzar while Babylon ruled from afar. Gal was unpopular. Pastor Rod even suggested he may be unpopular with the people because they may look at him as a puppet of Babylon. And Ishmael, who shows up here as his eventual assassinator. Or assassin there. That's the word assassin. Ishmael, he may have looked at Gedaliah as a traitor, as a turncoat, as somebody who had betrayed the people of God by serving under the hand of Nebuchadnezzar. I think that's a, the best read on the situation that we can get at this point. And so he goes. On a rampage, and we're not exactly sure of the year that all this is taking place. When it says in the seventh month, that's not necessarily the same year that GETT Liar was first installed and that all of this took place, but at some point in time this is going to happen and Ishmael is gonna come and he goes. He goes off, he not only takes out gia, but then he begins to just slaughter everyone that he sees as a puppet or as a, an ally of Gia. Until we get to a point where he he eventually says to, to a group of people, Hey, I'm gonna wipe you out. And they say, wait a minute. We have food to offer. We have food to, to trade for our lives. So Pastor Mark, help us understand why would this passionate assassin. Be turned aside by the offer of some barley and oil and other things that these men offer to 'em. Part of it's their circumstances, right? The land has been totally decimated by the foreign armies, the invasions there. There is certainly a lack of these things, wheat, barley, oil, and honey. But I think importantly, we need to recognize that the sin of Ishmael. Has overcome his mind. It's distorted his ability to think clearly about what is good and right, and true and beautiful, and he is picking. He's picking wheat, barley, oil, and honey over, he's keeping people alive for that sake. Yeah. He's picking those things over the cost of lives, the human lives. He keeps 'em alive, but only for those things. And I think it just is, it just shows the great depth of the sin and the distorting nature of sin that, we see in. Even abortion. Yeah. And things like that today where we have these desires that are fleshly, that are earthly and they will cause us, they will cause us to. To murder and to do these horrible things over stuff that really is worthless in some sense, or at least very temporary. Yeah. Yeah. And note also verse five, A lot of the people who end up dying under Ishmael's Wrath, they've come to Jerusalem to bring offerings. It says to present at the temple of the Lord. The temple of the Lord is not there at this point. The temple has been destroyed, and yet they're so ingrained. It's so trained in them and it, this often happens in our lives when everything is topsy-turvy and we don't know which way up, we often go to what we do know to be true. We go to what's reliable. We try to find routine and comfort there. So they're even coming back to Jerusalem, knowing the temple's not there to bring these grain offerings to present to the Lord, even though the temple's gone, and so they're grasping it. Any sort of comfort right now. The, those that stayed behind, it's not like they stayed behind and they were living in the lap of luxury. Still, this was not a good time. The city was destroyed, the temple was destroyed. This is a very uncertain season but Ishmael his rampage is gonna be checked by a game guy named Johanan. And Johanan is gonna come up. He was a supporter of g Elias, and he's going to end up putting a stop to Ishmael, and Ishmael is going to flee eventually from Johanan. And then the people are gonna begin to think you know what, maybe we should go down to Egypt. And that's a shift that takes over the next handful of chapters here. And Egypt was really never Israel's friend, in fact. It from the very beginning, Egypt was not gonna be Israel's friend. If we go back to the Book of Exodus, God calls his people out of Egypt. Now he sends Joseph there ahead of his people to preserve the nation of Israel. And it's the incubator for the nation while Joseph is alive. But then eventually here comes the oppression in Pharaoh and the exodus takes place from that point on. The desire to go back to Egypt was never a good thing. It's still not a good thing here. And so in chapter 42, they want to go back to Egypt and God is warning them, saying, don't go back to Egypt. Pastor Mark. Talk to us a little bit about what God says is gonna happen if these people say, yeah, we're gonna go and we're gonna go back to Egypt. It's a heavy threat. There is a. A huge threat associated with this desire to go back to Egypt. We, in their initial plea to Jeremiah, they don't specifically state that they want to go back to Egypt, at least in the text here. But clearly that is what their desire is, and that's clearly the expectation of what they think God will come back with. Or at least that's what they want. The threats though are. Are It's severe. They're severe. And what's interesting about them is that there's allusions to the very plagues that the Egyptians suffered under during the Exodus. In verse 17, that the threat to these Israelites is that they're gonna die by the sword, by famine, by pestilence and going as far as saying they shall have no remnant or survivor from the disaster that I will bring upon them. That's going even further. Then the plagues and the destruction that was brought on Egypt during the Exodus Y. Yeah. And it's fascinating because God had told ju to, I'm gonna leave you a remnant, and had even left a faithful remnant behind in Jerusalem Now. This is not undoing God's plan for the remnant. So when you read something like that, that they're not gonna have a remnant, that he's gonna wipe them out completely. This doesn't mean that there's no remnant. The remnant is just not here. The remnants in Babylon because you've got Daniel, you've got hin and I, ra and Misha and the other faithful remnant that are there. You're gonna have Ezra and Nehemiah that are gonna be there, that are gonna be instrumental in leading the exiles back to Jerusalem eventually after the 70 years of captivity. But God had left a people there in Judah and their desire to go down to Egypt was going to result in God's wrath. You're right it's reminiscent of some of the plagues that he sent, the sword, famine, and pestilence. Those are the three things in the prophets that he often goes to and says, this is judgment. God's sword, God's famine, God's ju God. Pestilence that he's gonna send, and he's abundantly clear. He says, do not go to Egypt through Jeremiah. Verse 19, do not go to Egypt. So chapter 43, this is when the people say, okay Lord, we get it. We're not gonna go to Egypt. But unfortunately. That's not what it says. It says, instead, all the insolent men said to Jeremiah, you're telling a lie. They had originally told Jeremiah, Hey, listen to whatever you say you, you're the prophet of God. And it says there that the people in verse four, the people did not obey the voice of the Lord to remain in the land of Judah. Verse seven, and they came to the land of Egypt for, they did not obey the voice of the Lord. What's on top of that is they're gonna take Jeremiah with them. And th this is a reminder that sometimes we can look around the culture that we find ourselves in and see a culture that is an absolutely godless culture. And, this is not a good place for Jeremiah to be in Egypt, and yet God is gonna honor him because of his faithfulness to him, even as everybody else is abandoning the Lord. So just because the culture's dark around you doesn't mean that's an excuse for you to go along with the flow. Jeremiah goes to Egypt because if he doesn't, they're gonna kill him. And so he's taken down there. But God is not gonna be upset with Jeremiah. He's going to make sure that Jeremiah is preserved here. Yeah. What's ironic here is they're running from the Babylonians because they're afraid of what happened when they murdered Alaya. And God says, you know what? I'm actually gonna bring the Babylonians to kill you, to wipe you out. They're still gonna end up getting taken out by the Babylonians no matter what. Yeah. I think the thing we also need to recognize in our own lives is it's not enough for us just to. Ask God for direction, we actually have to submit to him when we get an answer. I think it could be so easy to just think that really having a serious good christianese sounding request to God is what all it's gonna take to get him to agree with us. If you read their request to Jeremiah in chapter 42. It sounds sincere. It sounds good, and obviously. The answer is no. And then they say, you're telling a lie. We can look at this and be like, oh wow, look at those crazy people. But I think we can do that so easily in our own lives, right? We can ask genuinely, or at least seemingly, genuinely for God to give us direction, and then when he gives us a different direction. We can so easily respond in the same way, which is you're telling a lie and I'm gonna go to Egypt anyways. So I think we have to be really careful about that when it comes to jobs, to houses, to, to all the decisions that we need to make with our family that we are actually submitting to him. We're asking for guidance, but then we're actually submitting to him when he provides that guidance. Such a good point, man. We, yeah. We don't get credit for having a theologically worded question if we're not gonna accept the answer and submit to the Lord's direction on that. That's great, man. Yeah. Very good. Yeah. Chapter 44 is more on this idea of they thought they were running to deliverance, but they were running straight into destruction and that destruction was gonna become was going to come as a result of their idolatry. He's gonna say in 44, 23, it's because you made offerings, because you. Sinned against the Lord and did not obey the voice of the Lord or walk in his law and in his statues and in his testimonies that this disaster has happened to you this day. They were making offerings to the Egyptian gods and goddesses. They were going in full bore into idolatry, and so it wasn't just that they were looking for. For political or militaristic protection from the people of Egypt, they were looking for protection from the gods of Egypt. And God is saying I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. In fact, in verse 27 of chapter 44, the terrifying statement here before behold, I am watching over them for disaster in not for good. All the men of Judah who were in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword, by famine, until there is an end of them. And so this is just clear, God was abundantly clear. Don't go to Egypt. Egypt was gonna be their downfall. The temptation to go to Egypt had been there forever. In fact, in I believe tomorrow's episode we're gonna talk about in chapter 46, God's Judgment. Coming on Egypt that Egypt is going to be held accountable for their role in all this. But in the short term, man, God expected more of his people Israel and they were not following through. Yeah. And it really just goes to show that, when you worship idols you. Become blind. You become like those things that you worship. And you can see that in Romans one. You can see that many places else elsewhere in scripture like Psalm one 15, right? You can see that when you give yourself over to these things increasingly becomes more and more that you are worshiping. The Created rather than the creator. Yeah. Chapter 45 we flash back to Baruch, and remember Baruch is the scribe for Jeremiah. And God had used Baruch in service. He had written down Jeremiah's scroll, not once, but twice and had been with Jeremiah along the way. And Baruch is thrown a little bit of a pity party here in chapter 45. And God is gonna chastise him for that. Chastise him really for his desire for the wrong. Things he says there. And do you seek this is verse five. Do you seek great things for yourself? Seek them not for behold, I'm bringing disaster upon all flesh declares the Lord. But I will give you your life as a prize for war in places in which you may go. In other words, Baruch, why don't you just be content that I've spared your life here. You're after the wrong things. Just be content that you've got your life and go on and heed the word of the Lord and obey him wherever you end up going. But isn't it good that. He promises that he'll protect his life. That, that is a good thing that we should recognize as Christians, even today, obviously in a different dispensation. But we should be thankful that even when all these calamities are happening to us, all these terrible things are happening to us. And even when we're a little bit grumpy, like perhaps he is here that God is somebody who will ultimately save his people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, I don't think that's a get outta jail free card. It's not like he could go jump off a tall building like that. God told me my life's gonna be fine. No, we still have to exercise wisdom in that, but yeah, that is good. That is comforting for sure. Let's let's pray and we will be done with another episode of the Daily Bible Podcast. God, we are grateful for your word and we. Don't have Egypt literally in, in our backyard to be tempted towards, but we're so often tempted to turn to other things aside from you to try to either escape conviction that you're bringing into our life or to escape your hand of discipline that you're bringing upon us. Or just to turn to other things for a source of security and hope other than you. And we can be prone to those things ourselves. And so help us, Lord, to discern those idols in our lives. The things that we're. Tempted to turn to and put our trust in instead of you and to get rid of them to put them off as scripture calls us to and to trust in you instead. And so we thank you that you are the God today, that you were during Jeremiah's day and you will be that God tomorrow as well. And we're thankful for all these things. We pray this in Jesus' name. Amen. We'll, pastor Mark, thanks for joining us. We are grateful. We'll see if we let Pastor Rod back in. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Have a good one. Alright, y'all, keep reading your Bibles. Tuning in again tomorrow for another edition of the Daily Bible Podcast. Bye bye.

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Yeah. I would agree with everything that you said