[00:00:00] Eric Goranson: It's around the house. What is this project gonna cost me? We dive into remodeling today, whether it's a kitchen remodel or a bathroom remodel. What's it gonna cost for a contractor to come in and take this project on for me? What's a window replacement gonna cost? Maybe. SI roofing, maybe even a door or two.

[00:00:22] Eric Goranson: What are these projects gonna cost? Today we dive into the cost versus value index of what a project costs, what the return is. Am I gonna get any of this money back if I go sell the place? We're gonna dive into all those questions. What's a basic remodel cost versus something kind of nice? And what's the quality materials mean for the overall price of the thing?

[00:00:42] Eric Goranson: Is that gonna be the drive or is it gonna be labor? All that and more on today's episode when it comes to remodeling and renovating your. There is a lot to know that we've got you coming. This is around the house. Welcome to the Around The House Show. This is where we talk home improvement [00:01:00] every single weekend.

[00:01:01] Eric Goranson: Thanks for joining us today. We've got a fun one ahead here because we're gonna talk about, well, what does it cost? You know, remodeling and construction has gotten fairly expensive out there with everything going up. So I thought, you know, let's jump. The cost versus value report from 2022. Here we got some new numbers that came out.

[00:01:20] Eric Goranson: Uh, what does it cost for somebody to come in and do some work for you? So the first segment here I thought we'd talk about today is a kitchen remodel. What's a kitchen remodel cost? If you're gonna sit there and write a check to somebody. It's kind of interesting. So let's talk about what this is. The cost versus a value report is, uh, used to be run by Remodeling Magazine, but at, uh, cost versus value.com is where we can get this.

[00:01:45] Eric Goranson: And this is, uh, brought to you now by Zonda Media Media. I'm not sure who that is, but they're used to be Remodeling Magazine, but it looks like they have taken over the report. And so this is some great information. So the numbers I'm gonna give you here are. [00:02:00] The national range. So they have a, a, a national average for this.

[00:02:05] Eric Goranson: And this is where it gets kind of interesting because for me, what I think is really strange is, Is with these numbers is like in my area, for instance, and you can look in your area as well. This is goes across the whole country, but some of these numbers here, um, get very expensive in my area and then some are not.

[00:02:25] Eric Goranson: So we're gonna talk about that here today. So they've got two different types of, of kitchen remodel here on this list and what they call a mid-range is at about $80,000. And then an up. It's about $158,000 and you think, oh, mid-scale, that's what I wanna do. But let's talk about that cuz you know the details in these things are in the description of what you're going to do.

[00:02:50] Eric Goranson: So if you think about a major kitchen model, what they consider, and this is what the details are, update a 200 square foot kitchen. With a functional [00:03:00] layout of 30 lineal feet of semi wood cub semi wood cabinets, including a three by five island laminate countertops, not stone, not quartz, but laminate for mica type cops.

[00:03:12] Eric Goranson: Standard double tub, stainless steel sink with standard single level faucet energy efficient range range. Head that's vented, built in microwave, dishwasher, garbage disposal, and custom lighting. Add new resilient flooring. Select vinyl flooring. Finish with painted walls, trim and ceiling. So they're saying nationally a very basic budget kit remodel is 80 grand.

[00:03:38] Eric Goranson: If you're gonna write a check now, it's gonna be more in a lot of different areas depending on where you're at. So let's talk about the upscale one here, cuz this is where it gets interesting. This is kind of what I would say. Most people in the country think of a regular kit tree. There's some exceptions here, but let's talk about it.

[00:03:57] Eric Goranson: So you're gonna update the same 200 square foot [00:04:00] kitchen with the same 30 linearal fit of top of the line custom white cabinet. With builtin sliding shelves and other interior accessories. So those are typical stuff you'd put in your own, you know, mid-level kitchen, uh, stone countertops, um, with a ceramic or glass tile back splash.

[00:04:17] Eric Goranson: Pretty typical builtin refrigerator, commercial grade cooktop, van hood, wall oven, builtin microwave. Install, high end undermount sink with designer faucets and water filtration system. Add new general task lighting including low voltage under cabinet lights install. Or similar flooring. That looks like what?

[00:04:37] Eric Goranson: I'll be honest, other than the builtin appliances, and I don't think they're really talking like subzero builtin, but more, you know, more of a builtin looking like a, you know, more of a, oh, I don't know, like a cabinet depth refrigerator. They're not talking a $12,000 subzero here. They're talking about a cabinet debt refrigerator, 158,000 [00:05:00] bucks.

[00:05:01] Eric Goranson: So that tells me across the US that a mid-range kit model to what most people wanna do now, I'm not talking a budget one, but just a mid grade is about $158,000 right now, and that's pretty expensive for a lot of people. And that gets pretty interesting with that because other than, like I said, some of the appliances, and that's not getting into moving walls, that's not talking about taking out the load bearing wall.

[00:05:29] Eric Goranson: That's not talking about doing a bunch of replumbing electrical. There's some electrical with lights, but you know, many times you're putting in new, you know, five or six new circuits to meet code. So just something to think about what a kitchen remodel is costing these days. So if you get budget numbers out there, you know, 158 grand is, um, what the number is.

[00:05:52] Eric Goranson: Now, if you look here on the West Coast where I'm located, it gets a little more interesting. So the upscale here, that's [00:06:00] 158 Pacific West Coast 171. So that kind of adds up. And of course every, you can jump over to their website at uh, cost versus value.com, and you can take a look and see what it costs in your area.

[00:06:17] Eric Goranson: But for a kit model that starts to get up there. Now, here's the other part here. They do have what they call a minor kit model, which is what I call that fluff and B, and they call that at $28,279. Now, This is just a basic like refresh. Okay, so they're saying in this 200, same 200 square foot kitchen, you're gonna leave the cabin boxes in place, but replace the fronts with new shaker style wood panels and drawer fronts.

[00:06:51] Eric Goranson: So a reface including new hardware, replace the cooktop oven rains, and sliding refrigerator with new energy efficient models. Maybe [00:07:00] a new countertop laminate. And, uh, new sink and faucet and some new vinyl flooring. That's it for 28 grand. So that tells you a lot about what this is going for here, because I tell you what, that starts to get pretty expensive.

[00:07:18] Eric Goranson: And I know a lot of people, if you're, you know, paying for a contractor to do that, that's what it's costing these days. So, uh, you know, you just gotta be careful out there. And, and this is what we've been talking about as far as prices raising with construction and remodeling and that kind of stuff. And we're seeing that, you know, with, you know, labor prices through the roof, appliance prices are up, and, uh, materials out there.

[00:07:44] Eric Goranson: I just went down and was looking at drywall in my area here. Just a sheet of drywall was like 16 bucks here this last week when I walked. Couple weeks ago it was 13 bucks. So it's gone back up again over the last couple weeks. And so that gets [00:08:00] interesting. So if you're worried about what it looks like in your air and you're like, oh, it's much cheaper here, just head over to cost versus value.com, and they have that information over there.

[00:08:08] Eric Goranson: So it's something to think about. Now, of course you could probably cut this number by half, generally if you're gonna do this project yourself. But still 158 grand. That's still, you know, 75 grand in materials if you're thinking about doing that without that, and of course you're probably gonna have to bring some trades in for that because you are not gonna wanna fabricate those stone or, you know, slab countertops yourself.

[00:08:38] Eric Goranson: So some of those things are end up gonna end up being what they are, which means somebody else is gonna have to do 'em. So you're not gonna have that. Little bit of, uh, savings there, but you know, probably 75 to 80, you could do it yourself if you're writing the checks and doing 95% of the work. So, something to think about.

[00:08:57] Eric Goranson: Hey, if you want more information, I'm gonna post more information of [00:09:00] this over at our Facebook page, which is around the House Show, and make sure you join our ever growing closed group. Because we've got so much more going on over there, and that's around the House Nation. That's where you can post up your projects, ask questions, and uh, it is our safe and wonderful little place to do it.

[00:09:16] Eric Goranson: Now, when we come back, we're gonna be talking about a bunch more projects. Maybe it's that bathroom model, maybe it's some windows, siding. What's that gonna cost you? What's a roof gonna cost you all that and so much more just as soon as around the house returns?

[00:09:44] Eric Goranson: Yes. Should I be loud? Be so hot?[00:10:00]

[00:10:09] Eric Goranson: Welcome back to Around The House Show. Now we've been talking everything, home improvement today, and what's it cost, what does it cost to new remodeling? But first, before we jump into that, I wanted to say thank you to our Portland listening audience. You know, on uh, November 11th Veteran's Day, I did a telethon over at AMH 60, the answer, and uh, I was on there with the legendary Bob Miller and, uh, I think that guy's got more radio history than I am alive, even.

[00:10:36] Eric Goranson: He is an amazing. Radio veteran as well as Jeff Tracy, the Cowboy Cook. The three of us came on and, uh, with a lot of help from others, and we raised over $50,000 for the Clark County Veterans Assistance Center. So thank you all that joined us and donated and lend hand for that. So really cool. We've been talking about today [00:11:00] with what's it.

[00:11:01] Eric Goranson: And I wanted to dive into bathrooms right now because this is a big deal. What's it cost if you're just gonna have somebody remodel your bathroom for you? Now, of course it could be a lot cheaper if you are paying to have a little bit of it done and you're doing a lot of it yourself DIY projects, typically it would be about half of what you see if, uh, cuz you're taking labor out of it.

[00:11:24] Eric Goranson: That's just a general rule, not always the case. Well, for them on this cost versus value report. Bathroom model nationally starts out about $27,000 and maxes out as an average at $82,882. So let's talk about this. So what do they call a mid range bathroom model? So what's the space they're gonna call this and these are the details that matter.

[00:11:53] Eric Goranson: Five by seven bathrooms. So this is your general hall bathroom, you know that one where it's in the hallway, a few [00:12:00] bedrooms are, um, you know, accessing it, maybe the bathtubs at the end, and you've got the vanity and the toilet on the left or the right hand sink with the, you know, with the bathroom coming on the end.

[00:12:09] Eric Goranson: That's your typical, traditional. Hall bathroom. So you're gonna update that existing five by seven bathroom. Replace all the fixtures. Include a 30 by 60 inch porcelain on steel tub with four by four inch ceramic tile surround. Ugh, ouch. Nobody's doing that anymore. New single level, never. Temperature and pressure balance.

[00:12:33] Eric Goranson: Shower control. A regular white toilet solid service vanity countertop with integral. Recess medicine cabinet with light ceramic tile floor finished with painted walls, trimming ceiling. Hey, guess what they didn't talk about there? They did not talk about putting a new vanity cabinet in there. They did not talk about doing any work to a damaged subfloor.

[00:12:57] Eric Goranson: Didn't talk about putting in a new electrical, [00:13:00] so you're just putting in a cheap tub. That's not a cast iron tub. That's a porcelain steel one. Not very nice. $27,164 if you're gonna write a check for that. Now let's get closer to what most people are doing here is what they call their upscale. So you're gonna add another 35 square foot bathroom to the bathroom to a hundred square feet.

[00:13:26] Eric Goranson: So you're gonna add a little bit to it. Maybe you're taking something out of a closet. Little more realistic. You're gonna move all the fixtures around 42 by 42 inch shower in the corner, ceramic tile walls. Accent strip, recent shower caddy. Okay, pretty, no normal stuff. Frameless glass door, which if you noticed before that wasn't on there.

[00:13:48] Eric Goranson: Uh, free standing. So tub. All right, so you got a little more of a master bath situation here. High end faucets, stone countertop, two sinks, two mirrored medicine cabinets, lighting, you know, um, [00:14:00] enclosed, you know, toilet area with one piece. Toilet exhaust fan, which is code almost everywhere you. So basically you're looking at ceramic tile on the floor, you know, general lighting that you're doing in there.

[00:14:15] Eric Goranson: Uh, custom cabinetry. Uh, okay. In floor heating, they're saying that, wow, that's a lot. And that's $82,000. I'll be honest, I think that's low. I think that's, So that's, um, well, if I look over here on the West coast, they're saying it's 93, but you see where I'm going? I don't think you're gonna get that done for $82,000.

[00:14:42] Eric Goranson: That's probably gonna be out there when you start putting it in, cuz really, you gotta think about it with, by the time you're putting that shower in and you're putting the tub in and all the rest of the stuff in there, $82,000 probably isn't gonna be what it costs. Now here's another one here too. This is a common one.

[00:14:58] Eric Goranson: I want to talk about this. [00:15:00] In the bathroom side of things, what happens if you're gonna go into your parents or maybe you or your grandparents and do a universal design shower that's gonna make it more ADA type compatible for somebody with, uh, limited abilities. You know, maybe you're putting in some towel, bar, some bars to hold up, that kind of thing.

[00:15:20] Eric Goranson: So let's chat about that for a second. So that's an interesting one. Universal design is gonna take that, uh, five by seven space, which is what we talked about. You're gonna make it a wheelchair accessible and a shower. Basically, you're gonna replace a toilet with a comfort height fixture you're gonna go through and, um, wow, walk-in shower, curbless, adjustable shower head, fold out seat mixing valve.

[00:15:50] Eric Goranson: So you've got a few things going on here. Uh, radiant. Below the o luxury vinyl tile flooring, you're not putting tile in. [00:16:00] Uh, so you're putting in some handles LED lights, heated light nightlight, nice fan ceramic tiles on the walls with, uh, some stripes in it, you know, a little bit of detail to it. So you've got, uh, nine towel bars that can support up to 250 pounds.

[00:16:18] Eric Goranson: And, uh, basically it is a ADA style. Basic space, and they're saying that there is 45 grand. So that's something to think about there. That's probably, again, right in there where you're gonna be. So that's uh, yeah, 42,105. So that starts to add up. Now, here's where it gets crazy. If you wanna do an addition to that bathroom where you're gonna add to and make that bathroom larger, that gets pretty interesting as well, because, um, If you're gonna add a, basically a new a hundred square foot bathroom, basically over, [00:17:00] maybe it's over an existing master bathroom over crawlspace.

[00:17:03] Eric Goranson: Um, oh no, that's actually, sorry, I stand corrected. That is over the, um, a new space. So if you're gonna add that bathroom on, If you're gonna do that add-on, they're saying that's gonna be at about $114,000. So if you're gonna add that on the back, just do a master bathroom, because maybe you've got that fifties house that has that little tiny bathroom and you're just gonna add one on about 114,000 boxes, what that costs.

[00:17:31] Eric Goranson: Now here's the crazy one here. If you're gonna do the master suite edition, where you're gonna add on that bedroom and the bathroom. Anywhere from mid range to upscale, the mid range is 175,000. And get this, the Master suite edition that's upscale $356,000 357 almost. And if you do that on the West Coast, it's $413,000.[00:18:00]

[00:18:00] Eric Goranson: Mind blown at how expensive that is. Of course you can spend a little less money by doing it yourself, but that's kind of where you're gonna be with doing this. And, uh, you know, cut it down by half except for the stonework and probably higher the tile work out if you want it done right, unless you're really experienced at doing it.

[00:18:18] Eric Goranson: All right, we come back, let's talk windows and siding. What's that cost? Just as soon as around the house returns.[00:19:00]

[00:19:02] Eric Goranson: Welcome back to The Around The House Show. This is where we talk home improvement every single week. Thanks for joining us. Hey, if you're catching us on the radio for the first time, you can find out more about us at around the house online.com, and you can catch the podcast anywhere you catch podcast.

[00:19:17] Eric Goranson: We've got just about every podcast player out there, and we've got about 900 episodes out there for you to take a look at back in the library. Now, here's where we're gonna dive into on what does it cost today, we already talked about kitchens and bathrooms, and here we're gonna try to make sense of the windows in citing issues out there.

[00:19:39] Eric Goranson: Now, let's be honest, there are a lot of great contractors out there doing windows in ci. There are also a lot of door to door salesmen out there, which in many cases can be a big problem. They're the ones that knock on your door, oh, I was in the neighborhood just doing your neighbors down the street, and uh, if you sign right now, you've got a 40% [00:20:00] discount.

[00:20:00] Eric Goranson: But if you don't sign tomorrow, the discount's over. As soon as a company says that to me, they're. That should be one of your biggest signs. And the one thing with window and siding companies is it's something that has a lot of complaints online with, because if they're not flashing that window correctly or they're not doing it right, that can get to be a big problem cuz it takes you a number of years before it gets caught.

[00:20:25] Eric Goranson: And that can get really expensive for you because, well now you've got rot damage that shouldn't have happened if you had the right installer. So let's talk about windows here. They call this window replacement vinyl. And so they're saying the national average is here $20,482, and you're like, all right, that's a lot of money.

[00:20:47] Eric Goranson: What's that for? Windows. So if we start getting into that window discussion, And this is where it kind of gets interesting when it comes to vinyl windows because you know, windows are something that's all, they're not all cured the [00:21:00] same. You could have cheap vinyl ones. You could have nice ones. So what are they saying here?

[00:21:03] Eric Goranson: Replace 10 existing three by five foot double hung windows with insulated low, E simulated divided light vinyl windows with a custom color. Exterior finish trim exterior to match. Do not disturb existing interior trim. Woo. So with that, it gets to be pretty expensive. That's 20 grand for that. So what happens if we go to wood?

[00:21:32] Eric Goranson: Now this is where it gets a little interesting. Same thing. You got 10 existing three by five windows. Same kind of deal. You're not disturbing the trim that adds about another $4,000. To your window price. So about 24,388. Okay, that gets interesting. And you know, with cost versus value, and this is taken from the cost versus value report here, [00:22:00] I'll be honest, um, those numbers seem a little close cuz a lot of the wood windows that I've seen out there, they're a little bit more than just 4,000 bucks.

[00:22:08] Eric Goranson: But, you know, could be, could be a find a good deal, but this is where I'd be careful with. Now, here's what I don't like about. In the list. It doesn't talk about flashing it correctly. It isn't take about removing the exterior trim and making sure that that window has got metal flashing, flexible flashing, all the things that need to be done for that to be done correctly.

[00:22:29] Eric Goranson: So let's talk about siding now. If we dive into siding here, this is where it gets a little interesting subsiding. If you wanna do fiber cement. They call that $22,093 nationally. Where versus vinyl is 18,662. It's about 3,500 bucks difference between those on average for the same space. So what is, what are they talking about here with the siding?

[00:22:58] Eric Goranson: So the fiber [00:23:00] cement is 1,250 square feet of existing siding with new fiber, cement, siding, factory primed factory painted and installed. The manufacturer specs include factory trim at all openings and corners. Man, that sure doesn't talk about putting up new house wrap. It doesn't talk about painting it.

[00:23:18] Eric Goranson: That's saying that you're gonna use the prefinished stuff, but sometimes that's not always the best chance to to do that, right? Because you're. Caulking it in. And that's with the, the, the prefinished stuff. So, okay. That gives you an idea, at least what you're talking about. And it takes the painting calculation out of it so we don't have to count that painter in there.

[00:23:38] Eric Goranson: Now, siding replacement vinyl, I'll be the first to tell you, I'm not the biggest fan of vinyl siding in my area growing up. And working in remodeling. The problem that I had with final sighting is, is, and these are my personal complaints, is in the winter time when it got cold, it damaged really easy. It got brittle, [00:24:00] so a little bit of hail, somebody getting a snowball fight, all of a sudden you got busted up, final siding.

[00:24:07] Eric Goranson: The other thing that happens with it is as it ages, it gets chalky. It's vinyl, it's plastic. So it gets this kind of funky chalky color on it that you almost have to clean and put conditioners on every few years to keep it looking good. But the problem is, if you damaged one of these, then you've got a problem because now you're putting on a piece that's maybe not exactly the same color.

[00:24:28] Eric Goranson: And with the concrete siding that we were talking about, the composite stuff over there, if you wanna repaint the house, you paint the house vinyl siding, you really can't paint it very well. And if you do, you run into a ton of problem. Such as if you paint vinyl, siding a darker color, even with the vinyl siding paint, many times with the heat of the sun, it will melt and fall off the side of the house.

[00:24:52] Eric Goranson: So you gotta be very careful of that. So always when you're painting vinyl, you have to go lighter, not darker. And then what can happen is if you're in an area that gets a significant [00:25:00] cold and you know, summer, When you paint it, it will expand and contract. So you're gonna have all these stripes where the overlaps are, because as it shrinks up and it gets colder, you'll start to see those and then you'll have to go back and touch it up.

[00:25:13] Eric Goranson: But then it's too cold to paint. So something, it can be a hot mess. It can be a hot mess, even using the correct paint, because that stuff does move. And then, uh, geez, you know, the, the fiber, some siding much. That'll hold up. Now again, you gotta have this stuff installed correctly. My, my little brother has a house that he had built in, uh, well, tri-Cities, Washington, that a big windstorm come through 70, 80 mile an hour winds.

[00:25:40] Eric Goranson: They didn't install the siding correctly on his house, so he lost a fair amount off one side of his house. So that fiber, some siding, it's because the installer came in and it was, you know, of course they shot the siding. Through the OSB, but completely missed the studs. So a little bit of wind blew it right off the side of the house.

[00:25:58] Eric Goranson: So this is where having the right [00:26:00] installer makes a huge difference and using the right nails and finish, you know, to do it. And then you gotta really follow the instructions with that as well, because if you go through and caulk that incorrectly, you got a hot. Down the road and that's where you gotta really watch out for it.

[00:26:18] Eric Goranson: Hey, since we got a couple minutes here, let's dive into one more subject that kind of gets us through the siding there. I wanna talk here about decks, because that's another one. What does a deck edition cost? And a wood one. So composite wood versus deck composite. 24,677 and 19,240. So what are they talking about between those two?

[00:26:43] Eric Goranson: Now, if I go back up here to the list and we start talking about deck condition wood, they're saying add a 16 by 20 foot deck using pressure treated joy supporter by four by four posts anchored to concrete piers. Install pressure treated deck boards in a simple linear pattern. Include built in bench plant, the same [00:27:00] decking material, stairs, rails, you know, three steps to grade.

[00:27:04] Eric Goranson: Uh, provide a complete railing system using pressure treated wood posts, railings and ballers. I'll be honest, no one's doing that anymore. No one's doing pressure treated, or it's rare. Because most people are going to composite at that now, pressure treated, that's obviously more of a southern thing because if you do that here in the Pacific Northwest with our pressure treated and uh, that outdoor wood kinda has a funky look to it, as well as our, uh, pressure treated for gone, you know, for ground contract has those little indentations on it, much different than, uh, the Eastern or southern US pressure treated.

[00:27:38] Eric Goranson: So it's a little bit more that way. Now, if you go to the 16 by 20 foot c. They're using, uh, pressure treated jo four by four posts, composite tack, keeping it simple, bench planter, you know, composite railing. So all of that. I'll be honest, I think, uh, doing that in the composite is the [00:28:00] smarter way to go.

[00:28:01] Eric Goranson: Because that starts to get really expensive on the maintenance because though they don't talk about it, they're not talking about finishing that deck. They're just talking about building it. So you're gonna have another few thousand dollars on the wood there to do that. So all of a sudden those things start to get really close.

[00:28:19] Eric Goranson: When you start talking about the deck 19 to 24, that's gonna be really close. All right. When we come back, let's talk about roofing, cuz that's an expensive one as well. We'll do that just as soon as around the house returns.

[00:28:46] Eric Goranson: You threw my clothes out on the.[00:29:00]

[00:29:00] Eric Goranson: Welcome back to The Round the House Show. We've been talking everything about your home today, as we do every single week. Thanks for joining us. Hey, if you're catching us on the podcast, don't forget, we've got almost 900, well, actually more today than 900 episodes. In our way back machine and you can find that on the podcast over around the house online.com.

[00:29:21] Eric Goranson: Now, apple Podcast only puts 300 up there about 2 99. But if you go back over to around the house online, you can find the 900 plus episodes over there on our podcast player. That's where we've got all the different subjects. So if you're looking for something you wanna learn more about, we've got great interviews, new products, everything else over there that you can check out cuz we've had a lot of great people over the.

[00:29:44] Eric Goranson: Come through this show, including what will be coming up next in our next interview. Now, I wanted to talk about roofing here and uh, this is something that I think is really important. You know, asphalt, shingles, and metal are the two things we're gonna be talking about today. Now, when I'm [00:30:00] talking asphalt shingles, I, I can't say this enough.

[00:30:04] Eric Goranson: Finding that right contractor when you're having somebody do it is key. And one of my favorite ways, To find the right contractor is to, of course, find somebody that did a great job for friends and family that you've seen their work. But I also like to see 'em when they have been trained by the manufacturer.

[00:30:22] Eric Goranson: So if it's Owens Corning, ga, whoever it is, I love to see it when they're certified installers. That gives me an idea that the company says, Hey, these people have been trained and they know how to put this stuff. So you're gonna get a good project. So let's talk about it here. So Roofing's gone up and, um, I think it's even higher than this right now, but this is where it is today on this list right now.

[00:30:48] Eric Goranson: Roofing replacement, asphalt shingles, average price in the us $31,535. And so [00:31:00] you go, okay, what. Their list of roofing. So remove and dispose of existing roofing to bare wood sheeting, so you're gonna strip it down. Installs 30 squares of minimum, 230 pound, 235 pound fiberglass asphalt shingles. So that's a 25 or 30 year shingle with new 30 pound felt or equivalent synthetic under lament, galvanized strip edge meal finish.

[00:31:26] Eric Goranson: Aluminum flashing, assume a rectangular hip roof, custom flashing at two average size skylights and custom cap treatment at a vented ridge. So I don't see here of them putting what many places will require as. As a, uh, you know, ice and water shield, that's gonna be more, um, you know, that's a pretty bare 30 year roof there that what they're saying.

[00:31:54] Eric Goranson: Um, I'll be honest, I think if you're gonna spend that kind of money, you might wanna step it up a little bit and put a little bit [00:32:00] better roof on it. If you're gonna be there for a while, it's gonna make a difference, especially if you're in high wind or if you've. You know, harsh winters, hail, these are all things that are something that very, you know, you should be really thinking about when you're coming to roofs, but you wanna make sure that they've done all that correctly.

[00:32:18] Eric Goranson: So they've, that's a pretty decent idea there, but I think you wanna do an upgrade and make sure that they're doing that to code. Because in many areas that's not up to code cuz you need to have that ice and water shield down there and that is something that can be really handy. And in Florida, that's not anywhere near to.

[00:32:35] Eric Goranson: So that's, uh, something to think about there. It's going to be more expensive for our Florida listeners. Now that's 31,535 if we're gonna go to metal 51,436, what do they call? Metal roof. So you're going to, uh, remove and dispose of existing roofing to bear wood sheathing. Install ice barrier membrane at roof perimeter.

[00:32:59] Eric Goranson: Premium grade, [00:33:00] synthetic under limit over roof. Install 3000 square feet of prefinished standing seam metal roofing with matching preformed accessories including drip edge, gable trim vintage ridge for flashing sumer rectangular hip roof custom flashing at two average size skylights, custom cap treatment at a vented ridge.

[00:33:17] Eric Goranson: So my question there, of course is always gonna be, what are you doing as far as building that up? Many of these metal roofs, they want you to have kind of a, of a new strip system where they're held up off that roof. So you've. Um, some airflow and ability, if water does get around, it forts still the sheet underneath it and go down.

[00:33:39] Eric Goranson: So there's lots of different ways with that. That's not included in this pricing. And of course that is just 30 squares of roofing, so it's not a lot, it's just kind of an average small house. So something to consider with that. And, uh, you know, average. Price range for that. That metal roof goes up [00:34:00] 8,000 to almost $60,000.

[00:34:02] Eric Goranson: So something to think about. Roof can be expensive. Get those, make sure you get those quotes out there and uh, make sure you understand the material that's going up there and, uh, you're getting those gutters and everything else taken a look at at the same time. Cuz that's all stuff you wanna be doing.

[00:34:19] Eric Goranson: Now let's talk about a couple other things here that are on this list that, uh, we haven't got to. And I was hoping that we could get to. And, uh, I think there's really good value here for some of this stuff. If you look, and let's talk about this for a second, cuz this is the important part of this cost versus value.

[00:34:37] Eric Goranson: We've been talking this whole time about cost, right? Let's talk about the value part of it. So that roofing replacement, the cost 51,436. The resale value if you turn the cell the next day, 28,000 1 96, so that's only a 54.8% return. [00:35:00] That gets interesting right there. Now, you know, in the past with these things, and this is where it gets fascinating to me, the cost recouped, there were things that you could do on this list in years past where your cost recouped would be above.

[00:35:18] Eric Goranson: Which you paid for it. So you could have something that had 110, 120% return. And those days on this list are not this year. What is our best return here? Manufactured stone veneer on the front of the house. 91.4% return. What's next? Minor kitchen remodel. That's that little fluff. And. Everything else on this list is under, oops, sorry.

[00:35:52] Eric Goranson: Except for the garage door replacement at 93.3%. Everything else here is under 70% of the [00:36:00] return, man. What are some of the ones that have the least amount of return? Upscale Master Suite Edition, 46.3%. So you don't even get 50%, 50 cents on the dollar returned on that. Now, there are exceptions of this, and I, I wanna put the asterisks here, is that if you have a house that only had one bathroom and you're trying to make this a four bedroom, two bath from a four bedroom, one bath, you are going to get a higher return off of that because that house is more marketable to many.

[00:36:39] Eric Goranson: But if you've already got that, you know, four bedroom, two bathroom, or two and a half bath, they're saying that if you add that on, you don't get that same return. And I, I can understand that, but a lot of these things that are not curb appeal aren't paying you back. You know, a lot of these [00:37:00] things, bathroom additions are, are low.

[00:37:03] Eric Goranson: If I go through here, the uh, big kit model, , and then you get up into the windows. Replacement siding, you're in the sixties. If you look at roofing, ah, it's in that fifties. So just something to think about on what the cost versus value is. If you're doing this to sell the house, unless it's trashed, you might not be getting all that.

[00:37:26] Eric Goranson: Dollars outta that. And that's something to think about. Another thing here too, like we were talking about, the garage door replacement. Uh, average costs air at $4,041, uh, entry door replacement for a steel one. So that's going in and buying your $400 steel door. They're saying that's a $2,200 and 6 22 0 6 for that.

[00:37:47] Eric Goranson: And if you're doing that big fiberglass front door where you got sidelights and doors, double doors maybe, and it's that grand entrance. That's 10,556 bucks. Ouch. [00:38:00] That's a lot. And you're still not getting a lot of that money back. So that adds up really quickly and it's something to think about. So that's a 3 0 6 8 door.

[00:38:08] Eric Goranson: You know, you got the dual sidelights, you gotta move some electrical, you're doing some stuff there. New trim, new casings. They're saying that, uh, a one day work. It's 10 grand for that. Well, I hope today this has kind of helped you understand what some of the costs are out there for any of that. If you got any comments on it, head over to around the house online.com.

[00:38:31] Eric Goranson: Send me a message or you can head over to our Facebook page, Instagram or Twitter, and you can message me there for more information. Now this is great, this information you can find at cost versus value and uh, they have a great set of numbers over there that you can take a look at and, uh, those guys.

[00:38:50] Eric Goranson: Owned by Zonda Media. Thank you for providing this great information because I think there's a lot of stuff here. For more information on what it costs in your area, head [00:39:00] over to cost versus value.com and you can put in your zip code, your area and uh, give 'em your email address and they'll give you access to this.

[00:39:09] Eric Goranson: For free, which is pretty cool. You're just gonna get on their mailing list, which isn't too bad. But, uh, that's where you can get that information. All right, everybody, we got a great interview ahead. You don't want to miss this one. It's gonna be a great discussion. Thanks for listening to Around the House.

[00:39:24] Eric Goranson: We'll see you in a bit.