Yo! Welcome to hip hop movie club
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where three old heads
put their old heads together to vibe on
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some of the most memorable or forgettable
hip hop themed movies of all time.
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And here's HHMC with your HH MCs Boogie.
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JB. Oh yeah, and DynoWright.
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Bring it.
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Come on. Season five, episode three.
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Eight mile.
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That adds up.
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It's nice.
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Written by Scott Silver
and directed by Curtis Hanson
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and produced by Curtis Hanson,
Brian Grazer and Jimmy Iovine.
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Released in 2002 and featuring
Eminem, Mekhi Phifer,
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Brittany Murphy,
Kim Basinger and Anthony Mackie.
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We'll answer the question will B-Rabbit
take his one shot, his one opportunity
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to seize everything
you ever wanted to one moment.
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Set in the gritty urban
backdrop of Detroit.
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Eight mile
is a semi-autobiographical tale of rap
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icon Eminem,
whose characters Jimmy B Rabbit Smith,
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his early struggles
breaking into the hip hop scene in 1995
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against
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great odds, the cocky young white dude
living in the trailer
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park with his downtrodden
mom and toddler sister.
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The rabbit struggles
in finding his way in his voice and faces
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formidable foes
and the leaders of the Free World crew.
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Right.
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One more. One.
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One one and,
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So eight mile.
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This is classic film.
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Eminem, as we know,
has gone on to become a legend.
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What are some of the key points Boogie,
that you take away from from eight mile?
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Yeah I really I really enjoy eight mile.
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I'm an Eminem fan.
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You know, I like what he,
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what he's brought to the table
with his, his lyricism and his energy.
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So watching emo, for me, it's it's
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autobiographical movie for him,
but it's a very entertaining.
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And I do see some of the parallels
between the movie and his actual life
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coming up in the underground
and having to make a name for himself
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despite being a white rapper
in a predominantly black area
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and trying to gain the respect of everyone
and prove that, hey, listen,
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I got what it takes to to go toe to toe
with the heavyweights in the area.
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So it's an underdog story.
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You know, it says,
and I and I love underdog stories and
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he's a character like you kind of you root
from good form from the beginning
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because you see what he has to deal with
in the beginning because he's
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automatically nervous and he's he's
doesn't want to go out and perform.
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So you want to see where this character
is going to go.
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And you eventually do want to see him
make it to the to the stage in battle,
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which is where he was trying to do
in the beginning of the film.
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Do you have crews, that hero people?
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You know, there's the three world crew,
and they're pretty much like,
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you know, bullies to anyone who
who wants to to make
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a make a name
for themselves in the Detroit scene.
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So you don't like them and you know that
they're picking on him from the beginning.
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So it's a it's like I said,
you want to root for him.
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You want you want to see him succeed.
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You want to see him overcome
when he's dealing with you, you know, he's
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or, you know, single mom
reasonable for that.
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I mean, she's not all there.
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You know, she's dealing with it.
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Did you know Debbie? Boyfriend
who's not all there.
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And you want him to
to get the best out of things.
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So you follow him along the journey and,
you know,
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it all comes to a head at the end, and,
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you know, you cheer for him,
you're like, yeah, he did it, you know?
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So so it's it's one of those movies
where I always enjoy watching
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that, that, that overcome
overcoming those obstacles,
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and making it on that stage because
like I said, that's how he became famous.
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He became famous from battle rapping.
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And that's where we really how he made
a name for himself before getting inside.
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So yeah, it's it's a great movie.
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I highly, highly entertaining
and I highly recommend it.
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Dan alright, you want to
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add anything about your, you know,
initial impressions of the movie as well?
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Sure.
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I thought Eminem was really good
as an actor. Yes.
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You know, some people can't pull this off,
but you know,
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he's an elite performer
and so he can do this well, too.
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And he really plays a hero's journey.
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Well, you see him in his humble beginnings
and and adversity
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in the beginning,
choking in the at the shelter.
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But, you know, you get to see
his progression to recovering from that.
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And I think he played it really well.
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And, yeah, I really enjoyed this movie.
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I don't know, and I mean,
it was discography from front to back.
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Like I heard a lot of songs, but I didn't
really get into like, his album so much.
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And so I really enjoyed this aspect of his
and stuff, so really great.
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And yeah, there's a grittiness to this.
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And the portrayal was was very well done.
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You see a lot of East Coast story,
you see West Coast
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and now we're, you know, in the heartland
or, you know, Midwest, Detroit.
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And you
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see, you know, a lot of folks, Detroit's
economy is
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historically been based, you know, auto
industry and factories and whatnot.
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And B rabbit work that the new Detroit
stamping factory.
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You remember when Eminem
first burst on the scene in real life,
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like in the late 90s
when you first heard him
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and he had this unique sound,
almost a little bit nasally
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and spitting fast, but also just kind of
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insulting everybody in his path.
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And you're like, what's up with this guy?
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Like,
why is he ripping on Pamela Anderson?
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And and saying, like,
why are you so angry?
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And this kind of gives you a glimpse
into what he had to deal with, right?
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He just comes from very little means,
like you said, his mother's really
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downtrodden.
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You know,
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not a great mother,
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and he's getting picked on and bullied,
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and he wants to be in this industry,
that he's an outsider.
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So you can kind of tell,
where does that anger come from?
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You can see it through this lens for sure.
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Absolutely.
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And I think from years
of being pushed around,
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he got to the point where he strikes
first.
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He doesn't give you a chance to
to get him.
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He's going to get you first.
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Right.
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I had a I had a different impression
of like at least from this first single.
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My name is.
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Yeah.
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And but who is this guy
who sounds like Snoop Dogg?
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And when put together, like,
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I thought of it throughout that, that's
what's so funny to me.
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It's like, yeah,
but this isn't a Snoop Dogg song.
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Like a little there's more humor in
it to me and it's like, wow,
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this is really good.
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Who is this guy?
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He also fun fact
is that he goes by the moniker Slim Shady,
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as we all know, but that phrase
is not mentioned at all in the movie,
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right?
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It's interesting.
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Semi-autobiographical, exactly similar.
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To me, but I think.
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The cast around him in this movie really
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did a great job.
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Brittany Murphy I've always loved her.
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Yeah. She was. Terrific in. This. Yeah.
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With Klute from clueless,
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her days in clueless when she was the nerd
that they kind of spruced up, and
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I was kind of,
like, always sad to see her on stage
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be, you know, on the screen
because she died at such a young age.
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Oh, it's very bittersweet, you know?
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Yeah, it's always very bittersweet.
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Just kind of like
when you see Heath ledger
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and some of the younger, younger
actors and actresses that have gone in.
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But she was very charismatic
and enigmatic.
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She's always that perfect combination
of charismatic and enigmatic who was like,
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yeah, okay, but yeah, you really like her.
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And you know, that is rabbit's
love interest in that in the movie.
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And they share a lot in common.
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She left home at 17 and he's, you know,
mostly on his own in a wayward state.
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And she's looking to break out
to the big city, New York City,
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to pursue a modeling career
and kind of make a book
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with the other cast is great, too.
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Anthony Mackie,
who's this megastar now in the MCU?
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Has Falcon,
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Falcon in Winter soldier and, you know,
the new Captain America and whatnot.
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He he has a big role as Papa Doc of.
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A duck.
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The leader of the,
leaders of the Free World crew.
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And he's got a nasty in there.
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And that's his role. Yeah.
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Rabbit beats the Falcon.
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But then it also
the other parts of the ensemble.
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Kim Basinger does a great convincing job
of playing the trashy mother.
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She plays that really well.
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Absolutely. Very good. Yeah.
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And cheddar Bob is my man.
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That Bob
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better, Bob better.
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Bob is like the.
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You know, I don't want to be insulting,
but kind of like, dimwitted,
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unintelligent, but funny, but super loyal.
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Friend of.
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Yeah. Of rabbit in the crew.
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And he has that
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very memorable
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scene where, you know,
there's a feud breaking,
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breaking out between their crew
and the Free World crew.
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And he has this gun, his mother's gun,
and he accidentally shoot himself
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in the leg.
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He goes full, Plaxico Burress.
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Plaxico Burress.
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Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that.
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Oh, no, this is seriously.
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Now, here's
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the thing with this,
you know, and he's bleeding profusely.
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And, you know,
they take him out driving to the hospital.
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And even during that hospital scene where
he's driving, he's just like blurts out
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Mick, Bob.
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And like, they're like,
what are you talking about, Mick?
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Cheddar? Bob? He's wondering
what his rap name is supposed to.
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Be, because.
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He wanted rabbit to teach him
how to write.
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Rhymes. That was a good scene.
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And, as D.J.
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is our eyes,
I couldn't remember what it was, but,
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But he was very enlightened,
and it reminded me of Sharif.
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From Menace to Society and another film
I can't remember now, but there's
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another type of character who was like
the conscience of this crew. Yes.
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Yeah, like preach, like preacher.
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That's it. Yeah.
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Preacher. Yeah.
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Exactly. Yeah. That's right.
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That's the same role.
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And they make fun of that in the don't
be a minister.
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Yes. Yeah,
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yeah.
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And they have
Michael Phifer playing future
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who I guess that that's a parallel
to, to Eminem's actual film.
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Proof.
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Yes. Right.
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Real late proof
who passed away from the crew.
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But yeah, he was,
you know, McCaffrey's McCaffrey.
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So he's going to give you what he got.
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And I
take it every time because he's great.
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Yeah yeah.
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He's great.
He's got the dreads in this one.
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And normally
he doesn't have a longer hair.
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So is it
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is cool to see him as a.
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You know convincing
you know trying to convince Brad Pitt to,
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to take his shot
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and it's just kind of sticking through him
even when, you know B rabbit
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has doubts and that kind of turns on him
a little bit.
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You know, when he goes to apologize,
the man at the end, he was like,
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yeah, you know, it's all good.
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You know, up here
I never, you know, I never left
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them. I'm here.
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And he convinces him me to go out there
and, and, do his thing.
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But yeah, he, he was a very loyal,
loyal friend to, b rabbit,
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you know,
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I mean, at first I was like,
yeah, that's definitely proof right there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he's based on him.
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I meant to go
look and see like any of the other D12
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like like characters
portrayed in this movie.
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I didn't really look.
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I'm thinking Bizarro is,
I can't think is who is his name?
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An eight mile big guy,
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kind of.
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Saul.
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Yeah.
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Well,
250
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I know Eminem's friend Obie Trice,
who's on some of his records.
251
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He was in this film also.
252
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Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
253
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At the end of the battle.
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And did you catch exhibit?
255
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Was that the he he was the. Yeah.
256
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The lunch truck rapper that he did.
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And exhibit was in there.
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Here?
259
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Yeah.
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Exhibit was ripping on everybody.
261
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Instagram came and ripped on him.
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It's like he was like, it is Ryan pimps.
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Nope.
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It's good to see exhibit two, man.
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He's a he's a good kid. He's
a good kid. He's a good dude too.
266
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So he got a nice little part in there.
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Yeah.
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And there was a character of wink,
and he was shady.
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He was putting up with B rabbit and crew
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and trying
to promote them into the shelter,
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you know, rap battle.
272
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But he was also playing
the other side too.
273
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And he was hanging with the
The Free World crew.
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And then during the battle, wasn't I think
he actually ended up kicking P rabbit.
275
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Right.
276
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The catch that that was when he got jumped
after they jumped him.
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Yeah.
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After he got after he.
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Said after and yeah after he had a wink.
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His is.
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But in this radio station,
the radio station
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room upstairs,
he can call the funeral crew.
283
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And he ran out on B rabbit
outside of his trailer.
284
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Yeah. That was yeah.
285
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And that was tough to see
because there was Lilly,
286
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b rabbits, you know, very much
younger sister who was only like a toddler
287
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and B rather had removed her from the home
because his mom was drunk and
288
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took her next door.
289
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That's at the point where he's like,
go inside, go inside.
290
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Because the crew had pulled up
and she just sadly, she got to see her
291
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brother get beat to a pulp by that crew
and she was shouting, Jimmy!
292
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Yeah, but they, they spared his life.
293
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They had a gun to his head,
294
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but they just wanted to really intimidate
him, beat him up.
295
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But I think that really spurred him
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on and inspired him to
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finish writing and
298
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and then battle that final battle scene.
299
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Right.
300
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Spirit of rabbit.
301
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The rabbit's coming for you.
302
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And, he came for the whole
crew one by one.
303
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Speaking of which,
2023 is the year of the rabbit.
304
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You guys know that?
305
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I didn't know that, Lunar.
306
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New Year, and I'm a rabbit, actually.
307
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So, Need to know. There you go.
308
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Maybe put. Things
ahead. Hopefully we'll see.
309
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They built up a lot of drama in here.
310
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I see, like, almost every time
that the rabbit takes them, like,
311
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there's this long pause and it ends
is built in the very beginning scene,
312
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which actually inspires the lyrics
to lose yourself, which we'll get to.
313
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You know, he in that very opening scene,
he literally does
314
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throw up on his sweatshirt.
315
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So that's part of the lyrics.
316
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It's vomit on the sweater already.
317
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Mom. Spaghetti.
318
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But there's that long pause.
319
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And then almost every time he's actually
doing rap out, this is long pause.
320
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And you're you're almost holding your
breath like, is he going to choke again?
321
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Because the crowd starts
to egg them on a little bit.
322
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And then he does kind of start,
start flowing.
323
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And the amazing Joe.
324
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What's he confronts
lickety split in that battle,
325
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he gains his footing because now
the crowd kind of is kind of cheering him
326
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on a little bit because they're like,
oh, this guy really got a flow about them.
327
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I think he gains his footing
in that moment and say, okay,
328
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he broke the ice.
329
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Yeah, I think the challengers got
a little harder and harder in procession.
330
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It's just like you're moving up the ranks
in the heavyweight championship
331
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and then the next one is verse Lotto.
332
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And Lotto did a really nice job.
333
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And it was really, even with the amount
of applause and cheering
334
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from the crowd, he the one that hit that
Leave It to Beaver reference.
335
00:16:13,333 --> 00:16:17,833
And I think rabbit says to, future's
like, hey man, he almost got me with that.
336
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Leave It to Beaver.
337
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Kind of. Flipped it back on him. Yeah.
338
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Yeah, yeah.
339
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Ward, I think you're a little hard
on the Beaver.
340
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That's good.
341
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So good.
342
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And I like the way he ended
that bad attitude in my model was,
343
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oh, I get the dollar for me
344
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to get the, oh, man, who is.
345
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Finish him.
346
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Fell apart.
347
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Finish him.
348
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I get the. Dollar from. Your mother.
349
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I think I used to know that whole part.
That whole song.
350
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About getting seven numbers
for a dollar for.
351
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Tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
because his name was Lotto.
352
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That was.
353
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That was nice.
354
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From the mother.
355
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Tomorrow.
356
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Oh, man.
357
00:17:02,333 --> 00:17:06,375
And then the final battles was Papa Doc,
Anthony Mackie's character.
358
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And there's a beautiful symmetry
359
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in the movie where as be
360
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rabbit choked and really couldn't
perform at all in the beginning.
361
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So he lost the battle, was booed off stage
like the song says,
362
00:17:22,333 --> 00:17:24,958
and he just left him full, you know,
363
00:17:24,958 --> 00:17:27,625
in shame,
364
00:17:27,625 --> 00:17:29,625
whereas he is so more polished
365
00:17:29,625 --> 00:17:33,625
now in his strategy was really hype up
the crowd.
366
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He's got the crowd going, you know,
wave your hands for the three one, three.
367
00:17:37,291 --> 00:17:40,791
And he's really kind of
just spilling his guts
368
00:17:40,791 --> 00:17:45,166
saying almost like being self-deprecating,
saying, listen, I am a bum.
369
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I'm, I'm white.
I live in a trailer. I'm up.
370
00:17:47,791 --> 00:17:50,791
He's even said that my girl
slept with wink because that was it.
371
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:51,541
Yeah.
372
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He's a like laying it all out there.
373
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Whatever.
But he makes it right, makes rhymes.
374
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So it's like,
what else more can you say about me?
375
00:17:57,208 --> 00:18:01,791
And then he starts dissing, Papa Doc
for having gone to private school is
376
00:18:01,791 --> 00:18:04,875
real name is Clarence and all this stuff,
and it just throws in the mic.
377
00:18:04,875 --> 00:18:06,958
What else
you know about me? And it was kind of like
378
00:18:08,166 --> 00:18:11,541
all right, that mic drop moment,
he didn't actually drop them, like.
379
00:18:11,541 --> 00:18:12,666
But he kind of just kind of throw in.
380
00:18:12,666 --> 00:18:15,625
It was like all right,
what more can you say after that?
381
00:18:15,625 --> 00:18:18,666
But I know something about you
with the Cranbrook.
382
00:18:18,666 --> 00:18:21,666
That's a private. School.
383
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Did his homework.
384
00:18:22,416 --> 00:18:26,083
I noticed that like a lot of these days,
he did his homework on these guys.
385
00:18:26,083 --> 00:18:27,875
You know,
who you're going to compete against.
386
00:18:27,875 --> 00:18:29,625
And that was smart.
387
00:18:29,625 --> 00:18:32,750
He really turned his vulnerability
into invincibility.
388
00:18:32,750 --> 00:18:35,916
And he was so good
that Papa Doc couldn't even
389
00:18:36,041 --> 00:18:39,041
couldn't even say anything.
390
00:18:39,083 --> 00:18:42,791
But I think that that epiphany came to him
because cheddar Bob
391
00:18:43,291 --> 00:18:46,250
kind of said, hey, you know,
are you worried that they're going to talk
392
00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:48,375
about what he's going to say about you?
393
00:18:48,375 --> 00:18:51,250
And then he was like,
oh, shoot, and shut up.
394
00:18:51,250 --> 00:18:53,291
Bob was just kind of like,
you know, spinning, like you
395
00:18:53,291 --> 00:18:55,875
spinning like, yeah, you know, you she's
going to say all these things about you.
396
00:18:55,875 --> 00:18:56,666
And he's like, wait a minute.
397
00:18:57,791 --> 00:18:59,375
He might say this.
398
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I could beat him to the punch.
399
00:19:01,333 --> 00:19:02,083
Yeah.
400
00:19:02,083 --> 00:19:05,083
You know, and I guess Papa Doc,
you know, trying to,
401
00:19:05,083 --> 00:19:08,125
you know, try to hold his cards
and tell him to put his cards.
402
00:19:08,125 --> 00:19:10,125
I say, you know, let him go first.
403
00:19:10,125 --> 00:19:12,458
Because he's gonna. Choke.
404
00:19:12,458 --> 00:19:15,083
He didn't choke.
405
00:19:15,083 --> 00:19:16,458
It. That's always. Gonna be.
406
00:19:16,458 --> 00:19:18,125
That's a good point, cheddar Bob.
407
00:19:18,125 --> 00:19:21,166
As kind of dimwitted as he was, he did.
408
00:19:21,333 --> 00:19:22,875
He did come up with that statement.
409
00:19:22,875 --> 00:19:25,875
And he he is a source of,
410
00:19:26,333 --> 00:19:28,833
some strength for for rabbit.
411
00:19:28,833 --> 00:19:30,791
Remember, he's
the one that says like, f the free world.
412
00:19:30,791 --> 00:19:32,916
And then he kind of start the whole feud
and everything.
413
00:19:32,916 --> 00:19:35,166
It's like, man,
what are you talking about?
414
00:19:35,166 --> 00:19:35,916
The good point there.
415
00:19:35,916 --> 00:19:38,708
And yeah, about going first
they would do heads or tails.
416
00:19:38,708 --> 00:19:39,250
They would get
417
00:19:40,458 --> 00:19:40,916
I think it
418
00:19:40,916 --> 00:19:44,666
was just 45 seconds
normally to do the wrap.
419
00:19:44,666 --> 00:19:46,958
And the final round was the 92nd.
420
00:19:46,958 --> 00:19:50,916
But just like in a lot of sports,
you can choose.
421
00:19:50,916 --> 00:19:52,416
Maybe you choose a defer or whatever,
422
00:19:52,416 --> 00:19:55,416
which team goes first
or like an NFL overtime.
423
00:19:56,416 --> 00:19:59,416
A lot of times you want to go second
because then you know what you need to do.
424
00:19:59,541 --> 00:20:03,458
Do I need to get a field goal or to tie,
or do I need to get a touchdown?
425
00:20:03,875 --> 00:20:07,750
So in most cases they were going
you would opt to go second,
426
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:10,750
because that way you can kind of
turn the words on.
427
00:20:11,458 --> 00:20:14,458
In this last case,
the final battle was Papa Doc,
428
00:20:15,375 --> 00:20:18,375
like you said, he have a doc said,
you know, you go first.
429
00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:20,791
So he really had to go all out.
430
00:20:20,791 --> 00:20:23,791
You can't hold back at all
when you going first.
431
00:20:23,833 --> 00:20:25,333
You don't want to give them any ammunition
at all.
432
00:20:25,333 --> 00:20:26,208
So he just kind of.
433
00:20:27,541 --> 00:20:29,333
Checked off all of the punchlines.
434
00:20:29,333 --> 00:20:31,541
Yeah he did.
435
00:20:31,541 --> 00:20:32,916
He emptied it all out.
436
00:20:32,916 --> 00:20:35,125
Rendered him speechless.
437
00:20:35,125 --> 00:20:35,791
Yeah.
438
00:20:35,791 --> 00:20:38,791
Literally. Yeah.
439
00:20:39,041 --> 00:20:42,083
It made me beat the beat
and he still kept going.
440
00:20:43,041 --> 00:20:45,916
I don't need to beat.
441
00:20:45,916 --> 00:20:48,916
Hey, you know you're winning
when you don't even need the.
442
00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:52,000
Yeah. He says, you know what I mean?
443
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,000
I think to it in that last statement
he said, you know what?
444
00:20:55,625 --> 00:20:57,250
I don't even care
what y'all think about me
445
00:20:57,250 --> 00:20:58,791
because I didn't already prove myself.
446
00:20:58,791 --> 00:21:01,083
So it is what it is.
447
00:21:01,083 --> 00:21:04,375
This is who I am, like me,
and not tell them something
448
00:21:04,375 --> 00:21:06,625
they don't already know
because I told him everything.
449
00:21:06,625 --> 00:21:09,500
Yeah. Very disarming.
450
00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:10,750
Stole all of your punchlines.
451
00:21:10,750 --> 00:21:13,708
What are you going to say now?
452
00:21:13,708 --> 00:21:16,000
What are you going to rap about off
the top of your head?
453
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:16,375
Yeah.
454
00:21:21,083 --> 00:21:23,333
It was funny when the very first was.
455
00:21:23,333 --> 00:21:24,458
It was. It was lickety split.
456
00:21:24,458 --> 00:21:27,458
Or was it a different rap battle
where he actually moon the guy?
457
00:21:28,583 --> 00:21:29,291
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
458
00:21:29,291 --> 00:21:31,958
That was, Yeah, I know,
I think that was the key.
459
00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:33,500
That was lickety the.
460
00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:35,833
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
461
00:21:35,833 --> 00:21:36,916
No, that was funny.
462
00:21:36,916 --> 00:21:40,333
If you want to smile and welcome,
we had of course, the eight mile.
463
00:21:41,666 --> 00:21:42,750
That was good.
464
00:21:42,750 --> 00:21:45,750
Okay.
465
00:21:48,666 --> 00:21:49,958
But yeah, the river.
466
00:21:49,958 --> 00:21:51,916
He really got on for clearance, though.
467
00:21:51,916 --> 00:21:54,041
Truth.
468
00:21:54,041 --> 00:21:57,333
But it was funny because the funny
how he actually figured out
469
00:21:57,333 --> 00:22:00,333
his name was when he was hanging out
with the girls,
470
00:22:00,458 --> 00:22:05,708
and, and he said, oh, you know, Papa Doc
something said, oh, Clarence.
471
00:22:05,708 --> 00:22:08,166
Yeah. Oh, he. Went to school.
472
00:22:08,166 --> 00:22:11,166
My sister or brother
or something like that in there.
473
00:22:11,166 --> 00:22:12,583
Okay.
474
00:22:12,583 --> 00:22:13,125
And he wasn't
475
00:22:13,125 --> 00:22:14,416
even a part of the conversation,
476
00:22:14,416 --> 00:22:17,833
but he just registered in the back of the
file to stand back.
477
00:22:17,833 --> 00:22:18,166
There.
478
00:22:19,708 --> 00:22:20,208
Yeah.
479
00:22:20,208 --> 00:22:22,208
Why is this. Just a funny name for me?
480
00:22:22,208 --> 00:22:25,875
It reminds me, actually, of Beastie Boys.
481
00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:28,000
Hey, ladies. Oh, yeah.
482
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,500
There's a. Line.
Where where? It was just ridiculous.
483
00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:34,666
Someone I forget who says it might even be
someone outside the 3 to 3 main guys.
484
00:22:34,666 --> 00:22:36,416
It's like, is your name Michael Diamond?
485
00:22:36,416 --> 00:22:39,416
No, mine's Clarence.
486
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,000
It just gets me every time.
487
00:22:44,958 --> 00:22:47,000
But then Drake cast it.
488
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,416
The guy who played Greg,
who was the deadbeat boyfriend,
489
00:22:49,416 --> 00:22:52,416
Michael Shannon,
he's gone on to so much bigger and better.
490
00:22:52,416 --> 00:22:54,708
What a great career. Yeah.
491
00:22:54,708 --> 00:22:55,541
You wouldn't think.
492
00:22:55,541 --> 00:22:58,541
He's a phenomenal actor.
He's so good. Oof!
493
00:22:58,625 --> 00:23:00,083
So good.
494
00:23:00,083 --> 00:23:02,083
Yeah, I've seen him.
I've seen him and some stuff.
495
00:23:02,083 --> 00:23:03,708
And he's really, really good.
496
00:23:03,708 --> 00:23:05,833
Even he was even good in this.
497
00:23:05,833 --> 00:23:08,666
He was great in this.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
498
00:23:08,666 --> 00:23:09,250
He was great.
499
00:23:09,250 --> 00:23:13,041
And ironically in real well,
they were joking in the movie
500
00:23:13,041 --> 00:23:16,041
that he went to the same school,
so he was almost around the same age,
501
00:23:16,041 --> 00:23:20,500
which made it even that more awkward for,
for rabbit that he's with the mother.
502
00:23:21,125 --> 00:23:23,750
But in real life,
he's, he's a couple years younger than
503
00:23:24,791 --> 00:23:26,083
than Eminem.
504
00:23:26,083 --> 00:23:27,166
Yeah.
505
00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:30,125
He's something like 48 and Eminem
just turned 50 this year.
506
00:23:30,125 --> 00:23:35,500
And Taryn Manning plays Janine, who was,
the rabbit's ex-girlfriend.
507
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:38,416
She was in Hustle and Flow
and a lot of a lot of things as well.
508
00:23:38,416 --> 00:23:41,041
Yeah. It's a great cast.
509
00:23:41,041 --> 00:23:41,791
Absolutely.
510
00:23:41,791 --> 00:23:44,166
I enjoyed Michael Shannon and, Knives Out.
511
00:23:44,166 --> 00:23:46,208
You guys see Knives Out?
512
00:23:46,208 --> 00:23:47,083
I haven't seen it yet.
513
00:23:47,083 --> 00:23:48,583
I guess I'll haven't seen it.
514
00:23:48,583 --> 00:23:49,166
Oh, man.
515
00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:52,625
He's he plays the son of the,
the the writer.
516
00:23:52,875 --> 00:23:54,208
It's very good, very good.
517
00:23:54,208 --> 00:23:56,416
And everything.
518
00:23:56,416 --> 00:23:56,625
Yeah.
519
00:23:56,625 --> 00:24:00,375
And eight mile, directed by Curtis Hanson,
who also did L.A.
520
00:24:00,375 --> 00:24:02,250
confidential. You guys see that movie?
521
00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:03,458
I had not.
522
00:24:03,458 --> 00:24:05,208
Oh, it's a great movie.
523
00:24:05,208 --> 00:24:07,791
1997, one of my favorites in that year.
524
00:24:07,791 --> 00:24:09,375
And Kim Basinger was also in this movie.
525
00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:10,875
She plays the. Lead.
526
00:24:10,875 --> 00:24:13,041
I remember that
it was critically acclaimed. Yeah.
527
00:24:14,083 --> 00:24:15,666
And he also did Wonder Boys.
528
00:24:15,666 --> 00:24:18,666
If you ever seen that with Michael
Douglas.
529
00:24:21,291 --> 00:24:24,083
Tobey Maguire, terrific movie.
530
00:24:24,083 --> 00:24:27,333
Yeah, his range is great,
but he passed away a few years
531
00:24:27,541 --> 00:24:30,833
back in 2016,
so maybe one of his last movies.
532
00:24:33,041 --> 00:24:34,583
I have one question for you guys.
533
00:24:34,583 --> 00:24:39,000
If you picked up on this rabbit's
crew goes and burns down an abandoned home
534
00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:44,791
because that was a scene of,
a rape of a young girl,
535
00:24:45,458 --> 00:24:49,791
and they thought it as a symbol
that they wanted to destroy.
536
00:24:49,791 --> 00:24:52,250
And yeah,
I understand where they're coming from.
537
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:55,208
Well, during that scene of B, rabbit
538
00:24:55,208 --> 00:24:58,125
finds a photo of a family like a
539
00:24:58,125 --> 00:25:00,250
Polaroid.
540
00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:02,291
I don't know if there's
any significance to that.
541
00:25:02,291 --> 00:25:06,166
Or was he just like saying, wow,
this used to be an actual home
542
00:25:06,166 --> 00:25:08,833
or was he just long
for like a traditional nuclear family?
543
00:25:08,833 --> 00:25:09,333
I don't know,
544
00:25:10,333 --> 00:25:11,458
I didn't I was
545
00:25:11,458 --> 00:25:14,458
having trouble
like seeing the significance of that.
546
00:25:15,583 --> 00:25:17,041
I wasn't sure what
547
00:25:17,041 --> 00:25:20,958
that was like you,
but I think it was supposed to symbolize,
548
00:25:20,958 --> 00:25:24,375
a more stable family or like,
here's a home that this should have.
549
00:25:24,375 --> 00:25:26,291
This was a home. Yes.
550
00:25:26,291 --> 00:25:29,791
But it right by the disrepair
became an attractive nuisance,
551
00:25:29,791 --> 00:25:31,041
which is an actual thing.
552
00:25:31,041 --> 00:25:32,041
Attractive nuisance.
553
00:25:32,041 --> 00:25:35,041
Destructive nuisance. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
554
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:38,416
But, yeah, I, I picked up on that, too.
555
00:25:38,416 --> 00:25:38,708
Yeah.
556
00:25:38,708 --> 00:25:40,583
It was like, it was kind of like,
kind of thought, like.
557
00:25:40,583 --> 00:25:43,250
Yeah, man, this was a,
this was once a home of love.
558
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:46,416
And like, things fall apart
and this is what it's become.
559
00:25:47,541 --> 00:25:47,708
Yeah.
560
00:25:47,708 --> 00:25:50,166
Because they were saying, you know,
if there was no abandoned home,
561
00:25:50,166 --> 00:25:53,166
then this guy wouldn't have been able
to rape the girl.
562
00:25:53,250 --> 00:25:57,958
And so let's destroy this,
destroy this area and it was symbolic.
563
00:25:59,416 --> 00:25:59,791
But you're right.
564
00:25:59,791 --> 00:26:03,583
I think
Robert made some sort of suggestion that
565
00:26:04,416 --> 00:26:07,208
he either wished he had a home with that,
or it used to have substance up
566
00:26:07,208 --> 00:26:10,250
to that effect
when he was talking to Alex.
567
00:26:11,208 --> 00:26:14,208
Right.
568
00:26:14,708 --> 00:26:17,708
To break to.
569
00:26:19,875 --> 00:26:20,750
Anything else that you guys
570
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:24,541
kind of questioned or or,
you know, disliked or not the film?
571
00:26:24,916 --> 00:26:27,458
I mean, one thing that I see
as a common theme, and I guess this comes
572
00:26:27,458 --> 00:26:32,291
with the machismo and bravado, is, again,
there's this homophobia in it.
573
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:33,208
Yeah.
574
00:26:33,208 --> 00:26:37,250
Yeah, the rabbit does befriend
the one gay man at his job.
575
00:26:38,041 --> 00:26:38,500
Yeah, there's.
576
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:41,500
Still a lot of homophobia in his lyrics
577
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,500
and a lot of the the back and forth.
578
00:26:44,541 --> 00:26:47,083
Yeah. And the rap battles and stuff.
579
00:26:47,083 --> 00:26:47,541
Yeah.
580
00:26:47,541 --> 00:26:50,541
I guess even in 1995,
we weren't we weren't that evolved yet.
581
00:26:50,833 --> 00:26:51,791
Right?
582
00:26:51,791 --> 00:26:52,125
Yeah.
583
00:26:52,125 --> 00:26:54,916
And that was the one guy who actually,
584
00:26:55,875 --> 00:26:57,041
you know, he actually
585
00:26:57,041 --> 00:27:00,041
saved the day in a sense,
if you think about it, because
586
00:27:00,583 --> 00:27:05,291
he held down the rabbit shift while he ran
off to to go compete in battle.
587
00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:06,166
Exactly.
588
00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:06,333
Yeah.
589
00:27:06,333 --> 00:27:07,666
I was wondering how
that was going to play out,
590
00:27:07,666 --> 00:27:12,541
because you see a building up like,
he finally is doing better at work,
591
00:27:12,541 --> 00:27:15,541
and he's earning
the trust of his boss, Manny.
592
00:27:15,625 --> 00:27:18,375
And he's like, hey,
like, can you. Someone's out sick tonight.
593
00:27:18,375 --> 00:27:19,875
Could you cover two?
Sure. I'll cover our cover.
594
00:27:19,875 --> 00:27:23,625
And we know that's the same night
as right away.
595
00:27:23,625 --> 00:27:26,083
He can't do it. Yeah.
596
00:27:26,083 --> 00:27:27,166
For real?
597
00:27:27,166 --> 00:27:28,166
Exactly.
598
00:27:28,166 --> 00:27:28,583
Yeah.
599
00:27:28,583 --> 00:27:31,375
No more privileges,
no more shift offerings.
600
00:27:31,375 --> 00:27:34,375
And you can't be alone on that. Oh.
601
00:27:34,916 --> 00:27:38,083
The one thing that I didn't quite sit
well or I didn't quite get
602
00:27:38,083 --> 00:27:42,166
was I thought there'd be bigger
beef after between Alex and Jimmy.
603
00:27:42,166 --> 00:27:46,541
After Jimmy caught the, in coitus and I.
604
00:27:47,375 --> 00:27:51,666
They're not mad
or neither of them are mad, but it's.
605
00:27:52,208 --> 00:27:53,416
I don't know, maybe.
606
00:27:53,416 --> 00:27:58,000
I think Jimmy understood, like, okay,
this is sort of like what the game is.
607
00:27:58,458 --> 00:28:00,416
And so he wasn't that mad.
608
00:28:00,416 --> 00:28:04,083
But I think anyone would have been like,
if she comes to the plant
609
00:28:04,458 --> 00:28:07,166
and they have a a very civil conversation.
610
00:28:07,166 --> 00:28:09,875
And I thought, that's not how
I thought it was going to go.
611
00:28:10,958 --> 00:28:11,958
Where did he.
612
00:28:11,958 --> 00:28:14,375
Actually catch her?
Or was it mostly hearsay?
613
00:28:14,375 --> 00:28:17,916
Like, I didn't know if he caught
wink with her or.
614
00:28:17,916 --> 00:28:19,208
Like, oh, he did.
615
00:28:19,208 --> 00:28:21,041
Oh yeah, that did.
616
00:28:21,041 --> 00:28:23,333
Okay. I missed that.
617
00:28:23,333 --> 00:28:25,416
Very, very much. Did okay.
618
00:28:25,416 --> 00:28:26,000
He caught. Yeah.
619
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,208
He caught the meat act I gotcha.
620
00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:30,666
Yeah but it is interruptus.
621
00:28:30,666 --> 00:28:33,041
Yeah.
622
00:28:33,041 --> 00:28:34,708
Beat week to a pulp a weeks.
623
00:28:34,708 --> 00:28:36,458
Pants were half down.
624
00:28:36,458 --> 00:28:39,375
And it precipitated his beat down
in front of Lily later.
625
00:28:39,375 --> 00:28:39,916
I gotcha.
626
00:28:39,916 --> 00:28:42,916
Yeah, yeah, I miss
I missed a misstep. Okay.
627
00:28:42,958 --> 00:28:46,875
And you see it in the in the
in the background.
628
00:28:47,083 --> 00:28:50,416
The next studio over do you mean.
629
00:28:50,458 --> 00:28:53,458
Well, this so fisticuffs
going on in the next,
630
00:28:54,041 --> 00:28:57,041
next to it, you're going to see it.
631
00:28:57,416 --> 00:28:58,208
That made me laugh.
632
00:28:58,208 --> 00:29:01,958
It kind of been a funny little twist on a
a serious situation, but
633
00:29:01,958 --> 00:29:03,000
still I was like,
634
00:29:04,416 --> 00:29:05,250
I would think Jimmy
635
00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:08,375
be more mad,
but I guess he's a bigger fish to fry.
636
00:29:08,375 --> 00:29:09,791
In that case.
637
00:29:09,791 --> 00:29:12,083
I don't think he was as mad at her
638
00:29:12,083 --> 00:29:15,583
because she wasn't really his girlfriend.
639
00:29:16,583 --> 00:29:17,625
Yeah.
640
00:29:17,625 --> 00:29:18,750
There's that.
641
00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:21,125
There's a moment.
I wink for for for crossing the.
642
00:29:21,125 --> 00:29:22,833
Line. Yeah, that that was.
643
00:29:22,833 --> 00:29:25,125
You knew that I was interested in her.
644
00:29:25,125 --> 00:29:27,208
You stepped on my toes and.
645
00:29:27,208 --> 00:29:29,708
Yeah, you were supposed to do
that was her.
646
00:29:29,708 --> 00:29:31,208
She was like, you know what? She's.
647
00:29:31,208 --> 00:29:33,291
You know, he's not really my girl.
648
00:29:33,291 --> 00:29:33,750
You know, we.
649
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:36,875
Yeah, we've had interesting we've we,
you know, fooled around a bit,
650
00:29:36,875 --> 00:29:39,875
but we don't necessarily
have a relationship.
651
00:29:39,875 --> 00:29:40,750
Relationship.
652
00:29:40,750 --> 00:29:41,708
Yeah. Yeah.
653
00:29:41,708 --> 00:29:44,666
The, the title or anything on it. Right.
654
00:29:44,666 --> 00:29:47,541
Is it kind of like, hey
I see you in passing and I like you, but,
655
00:29:47,541 --> 00:29:51,708
you know, we're not really together, but,
you know, in the sense of,
656
00:29:51,708 --> 00:29:54,916
you know,
the crew still supposed to be off limits.
657
00:29:55,875 --> 00:29:58,416
So the crew, you know, still supposed
to, you know, all of that
658
00:29:58,416 --> 00:30:02,375
and just not even bother to wink violated
that that that aspect.
659
00:30:03,041 --> 00:30:05,625
Yeah. And got violated in the process.
660
00:30:08,708 --> 00:30:11,708
Yeah.
661
00:30:12,666 --> 00:30:15,791
I was looking up some other like facts
about eight mile
662
00:30:15,791 --> 00:30:18,958
because I know a lot
that happened around the filming.
663
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:22,916
And Brittany Murphy,
who plays Alex, actually
664
00:30:23,125 --> 00:30:26,458
was romantically involved
with Eminem during the production.
665
00:30:26,666 --> 00:30:29,666
She admitted that in an interview
with David Letterman back in
666
00:30:29,791 --> 00:30:32,791
in the early 90s, as she was
667
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,875
fresh and there was rumors that,
668
00:30:36,875 --> 00:30:41,000
Eminem was actually hitting on Kim
Bassinger during the filming as well.
669
00:30:41,916 --> 00:30:43,000
Oh boy.
670
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,833
Oh boy, I don't know.
671
00:30:44,833 --> 00:30:46,000
You know, they're not dying.
672
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Anything happened. But.
673
00:30:49,333 --> 00:30:51,750
Also be remiss
if we didn't mention Eight Mile for
674
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:56,416
those that are unaware, is an actual road
in Detroit, Eight Mile Road.
675
00:30:56,416 --> 00:30:59,500
And it's kind of
like a line of demarcation and a color
676
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:03,166
barrier of sorts
for different portions of of the city.
677
00:31:03,875 --> 00:31:05,833
Yeah, yeah.
678
00:31:05,833 --> 00:31:09,541
The more affluent white
neighborhoods are north of Eight mile,
679
00:31:09,541 --> 00:31:14,666
and the urban neighborhoods
are south of eight mile.
680
00:31:14,666 --> 00:31:17,916
And the J Dilla book, has a really good
681
00:31:18,291 --> 00:31:21,166
breakdown
of the whole geography of Detroit.
682
00:31:21,166 --> 00:31:24,166
And, I recommend going through that
683
00:31:24,458 --> 00:31:27,458
for more color
about the eight mile situation.
684
00:31:27,916 --> 00:31:28,791
Yeah.
685
00:31:28,791 --> 00:31:33,666
The song Lose Yourself was recorded
specifically for the movie,
686
00:31:33,666 --> 00:31:37,125
and it was the first rap song to win
the Academy Award for Best Original Song,
687
00:31:37,416 --> 00:31:39,166
which it did in 2003.
688
00:31:39,166 --> 00:31:42,875
Yeah, I mean, that's become an anthem for
oh yeah, like
689
00:31:42,875 --> 00:31:44,541
like kind of like a hip hop anthem.
690
00:31:44,541 --> 00:31:44,750
Yeah.
691
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:47,916
It starts off real slow,
kind of like the piano melody.
692
00:31:48,666 --> 00:31:51,500
And in it, it kind of like it's all about
693
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,500
not missing out on your,
your one shot, your one opportunity.
694
00:31:55,125 --> 00:31:56,916
Yeah. In fact.
695
00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,291
And go ahead to it.
696
00:31:58,291 --> 00:32:01,333
And listen to it on the way it came
on, I think it was yesterday.
697
00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:02,000
It was one of the day.
698
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:02,208
Yeah.
699
00:32:02,208 --> 00:32:05,958
Yesterday I was like, wow,
this is, my song right here.
700
00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:08,833
Yeah.
I love this song. It's a great. Song.
701
00:32:08,833 --> 00:32:13,125
I heard that song every Saturday
at Martial Arts because my
702
00:32:14,125 --> 00:32:15,250
sifu would play that
703
00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:18,333
because we used to train to music
and like, that was a favorite song.
704
00:32:18,333 --> 00:32:21,333
So I heard it every Saturday.
705
00:32:22,666 --> 00:32:24,583
I didn't need to listen anywhere.
706
00:32:24,583 --> 00:32:26,375
Eminem songs after that.
707
00:32:26,375 --> 00:32:28,875
Every Saturday night without fail.
708
00:32:28,875 --> 00:32:29,500
Lose yourself.
709
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:32,500
As I was talking one.
710
00:32:32,916 --> 00:32:34,958
Some special and unique about the like.
711
00:32:34,958 --> 00:32:39,000
I think the cadence to me is unique,
where it's a little like
712
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,875
the staccato or choppiness is like
the clock comes up over.
713
00:32:42,875 --> 00:32:44,166
But back to reality.
714
00:32:44,166 --> 00:32:46,666
Oh, because gravity. Oh, that goes rabbit,
he choked.
715
00:32:46,666 --> 00:32:49,916
He's so mad that, you know,
I really love how that flows.
716
00:32:49,916 --> 00:32:53,666
It's something that is it seems unique
and I've never really heard
717
00:32:53,666 --> 00:32:55,958
that kind of flow,
the way it breaks up like that.
718
00:32:55,958 --> 00:32:58,000
And it kind of builds to a crescendo.
719
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,833
Yeah, he's a musical genius.
720
00:33:01,250 --> 00:33:01,458
Yeah.
721
00:33:01,458 --> 00:33:04,291
And the famous line in the beginning,
there's vomit on a sweater already.
722
00:33:04,291 --> 00:33:05,541
Mom's spaghetti.
723
00:33:05,541 --> 00:33:08,000
And you guys have seen that.
724
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,541
I believe Eminem has a chain
of restaurants called Mom's Spaghetti.
725
00:33:11,833 --> 00:33:14,125
Yes. That he started, like, in the past
couple years.
726
00:33:14,125 --> 00:33:14,791
Yeah.
727
00:33:14,791 --> 00:33:17,791
I haven't been to
what are they in the Detroit area?
728
00:33:18,250 --> 00:33:20,583
I think so. Yes.
729
00:33:20,583 --> 00:33:23,541
I was watching the Hard Knocks on HBO.
730
00:33:23,541 --> 00:33:27,916
They were doing the Detroit Lions
in the offseason in the training camp,
731
00:33:28,416 --> 00:33:31,416
and Eminem made an appearance
because that's his team, obviously.
732
00:33:31,833 --> 00:33:34,708
And he catered the one practice.
733
00:33:34,708 --> 00:33:36,250
Session oh nice mama.
734
00:33:36,250 --> 00:33:38,708
Spaghetti. And I was like,
oh, there it is.
735
00:33:38,708 --> 00:33:38,916
Yeah.
736
00:33:38,916 --> 00:33:41,291
I remember
when they had the grand opening,
737
00:33:41,291 --> 00:33:44,416
he popped up at the at the restaurant
at the grand opening was actually,
738
00:33:44,708 --> 00:33:46,916
you know,
serving people. I was like, Holy crap.
739
00:33:49,208 --> 00:33:51,750
At Detroit, Bon bon, Jon Bon Jovi.
740
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:53,083
Yeah.
741
00:33:53,083 --> 00:33:55,708
Serving people. Sure.
742
00:33:55,708 --> 00:33:58,916
But he looks so tiny
next to those football players, obviously.
743
00:33:59,083 --> 00:34:02,250
I mean, I don't know what his stature is,
but he's not a big guy.
744
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:06,000
And actually, I heard that
he for this movie, he he lost 24 pounds.
745
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,625
So he was kind of no,
746
00:34:08,625 --> 00:34:11,625
he's always been kind of thin in my eyes,
but he was almost like real thin.
747
00:34:11,625 --> 00:34:13,125
And in this movie.
748
00:34:13,125 --> 00:34:15,458
He had to be more,
749
00:34:15,458 --> 00:34:16,750
period accurate for that.
750
00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:19,875
I guess he didn't have to drop down
to his 1995 weight.
751
00:34:20,458 --> 00:34:21,791
Yeah, right.
752
00:34:21,791 --> 00:34:22,750
And be able to do that.
753
00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:24,666
I don't know how I could.
754
00:34:24,666 --> 00:34:25,208
This.
755
00:34:25,208 --> 00:34:28,208
I could do it. Yep.
756
00:34:28,791 --> 00:34:31,791
Another interesting tidbit I've found
is that the role of cheddar Bob,
757
00:34:31,791 --> 00:34:35,791
both Seth Rogen
and Jason Segel auditioned for that role.
758
00:34:37,208 --> 00:34:38,416
That's kind of the genre.
759
00:34:38,416 --> 00:34:41,208
It feels like that's the type of actor
they.
760
00:34:41,208 --> 00:34:41,916
Yeah, exactly.
761
00:34:41,916 --> 00:34:43,666
But I think they were joking
around the whole time
762
00:34:43,666 --> 00:34:45,250
and they were goofing off,
and they didn't.
763
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:46,708
They're good friends in real life.
764
00:34:46,708 --> 00:34:48,791
Seth Rogen and Jason Segel,
and they didn't get it.
765
00:34:48,791 --> 00:34:52,000
And they're like, years later,
they're like, it went to some other guy.
766
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000
And he was really good, and he did
a much better job than we would have,
767
00:34:56,083 --> 00:34:57,666
which was Evan Jones.
768
00:34:57,666 --> 00:35:01,583
I feel like those two guys, even, I guess
then they weren't as big as they are now.
769
00:35:01,583 --> 00:35:03,666
But yeah, you're right.
770
00:35:03,666 --> 00:35:05,416
Two. But
771
00:35:05,416 --> 00:35:08,541
that would happen
if there's like a gravitational pull.
772
00:35:08,541 --> 00:35:11,958
The big actors like Makai Phifer
and Kim Basinger.
773
00:35:12,333 --> 00:35:16,583
But imagine those two guys, one of those
two guys in that role was kind of funny.
774
00:35:18,291 --> 00:35:21,166
Oh. I actually watched this on DVD.
775
00:35:21,166 --> 00:35:24,958
I had purchased it at a flea market
a while back, so I knew
776
00:35:24,958 --> 00:35:27,958
that we'd be covering it for real cheap,
777
00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:30,958
and it had some extra
778
00:35:30,958 --> 00:35:33,958
special features,
and I was able to watch a couple of them.
779
00:35:34,041 --> 00:35:36,666
What was neat
is they talked about rap battles
780
00:35:36,666 --> 00:35:39,583
and how intense they are in,
781
00:35:39,583 --> 00:35:42,583
like we were saying, Eminem.
782
00:35:42,875 --> 00:35:46,250
I grew up doing this and he would be
so devastated if he were to lose one.
783
00:35:47,416 --> 00:35:50,208
So in this scene,
like the final rap battle scene,
784
00:35:50,208 --> 00:35:54,250
you see there's a big mob of people
there, like 300 folks,
785
00:35:54,250 --> 00:35:56,083
and they all have their winter coats
and park is on
786
00:35:56,083 --> 00:35:58,541
and there's been this kind of warehouse
type facility.
787
00:35:58,541 --> 00:36:03,000
They were there for like 12 to 14 hours
a day for like 3 or 4 consecutive days.
788
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,958
And they were getting a
little antsy here and there.
789
00:36:06,458 --> 00:36:08,500
So the director, Curtis Hanson,
had this great idea.
790
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:11,500
He saw that like in between cuts,
791
00:36:11,708 --> 00:36:13,958
other little rap
battles were breaking out.
792
00:36:13,958 --> 00:36:19,125
So he actually set up a rap
battle tournament amongst the extras.
793
00:36:19,125 --> 00:36:21,875
He said, whoever wants to sign up
and show off their skills,
794
00:36:21,875 --> 00:36:24,541
and it was like 130 for them signed up.
795
00:36:24,541 --> 00:36:28,791
They thought that they could be an MC,
so he would give them only like 15 seconds
796
00:36:28,791 --> 00:36:35,000
and they would, you know, both, Hanson
and Eminem's manager and, you know,
797
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,125
there were a couple judges
and they would kind of jot it down
798
00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:38,750
and they whittled them down to like 20.
799
00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:40,250
Then they did a little bracket tournament
800
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:42,958
and the Final four
got to go up against Eminem.
801
00:36:42,958 --> 00:36:46,000
Like head to head. Nice. Cool. Well
802
00:36:47,291 --> 00:36:48,041
imagine that.
803
00:36:48,041 --> 00:36:49,958
It's like in in the ring with Tyson.
804
00:36:49,958 --> 00:36:52,541
I know I wouldn't. Want to do that.
805
00:36:52,541 --> 00:36:54,458
Yeah.
806
00:36:54,458 --> 00:36:56,125
They didn't
want to wear out Eminem's voice,
807
00:36:56,125 --> 00:36:59,125
so he actually pantomimed to his stuff.
808
00:36:59,458 --> 00:37:02,458
And then when he got to the final four,
they were kind of really
809
00:37:03,250 --> 00:37:05,625
blasting him an insult again,
because that's what it is.
810
00:37:05,625 --> 00:37:07,666
It's a verbal tirade.
811
00:37:07,666 --> 00:37:09,041
He's like, I can't do this anymore.
812
00:37:09,041 --> 00:37:14,625
So he actually got on the bike and he just
ripped them and he was like, no contest.
813
00:37:14,791 --> 00:37:17,041
But that was kind of cool.
814
00:37:17,041 --> 00:37:19,458
And these guys were married in forever.
815
00:37:19,458 --> 00:37:22,458
On film here because they're in this
special scene here.
816
00:37:22,875 --> 00:37:23,916
Oh, that was a good idea.
817
00:37:23,916 --> 00:37:25,750
Yeah, that sounds really cool.
818
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:26,708
I wonder what happened to this.
819
00:37:26,708 --> 00:37:29,708
If this was final for finalists.
820
00:37:30,125 --> 00:37:30,458
Yeah.
821
00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:33,125
Where are they now.
822
00:37:33,125 --> 00:37:34,583
Exactly? Eight mile.
823
00:37:34,583 --> 00:37:37,541
Final finalists.
824
00:37:37,541 --> 00:37:40,541
There was one woman, but he tore apart.
825
00:37:42,166 --> 00:37:44,083
And was merciless on the mic.
826
00:37:44,083 --> 00:37:45,208
You know, you don't mess with him.
827
00:37:45,208 --> 00:37:47,791
Yeah, that's like getting into the ring
with Mike Tyson.
828
00:37:47,791 --> 00:37:48,541
That's.
829
00:37:48,541 --> 00:37:52,333
It's exactly even playing Gary Kasparov.
830
00:37:52,416 --> 00:37:54,166
Chess. Like.
831
00:37:54,166 --> 00:37:55,333
Yeah.
832
00:37:55,333 --> 00:37:57,166
It was like, not for me.
833
00:37:57,166 --> 00:37:57,708
Like me.
834
00:37:57,708 --> 00:38:00,333
Me trying to take LeBron one on one.
835
00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:03,333
Yeah.
836
00:38:04,041 --> 00:38:04,875
So what do you guys think?
837
00:38:04,875 --> 00:38:07,875
Did you enjoy the music overall
in the film.
838
00:38:09,375 --> 00:38:10,166
Absolutely.
839
00:38:10,166 --> 00:38:12,208
Obviously the star was shook
once. Part two.
840
00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:16,458
Oh I was in I was already in.
841
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,750
The I mean this is like pretty much
my favorite
842
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:23,875
era of hip hop, hip hop from the late 80s
into the mid 90s.
843
00:38:23,875 --> 00:38:26,041
Like that's my
844
00:38:26,041 --> 00:38:27,833
sweet spot in my heyday.
845
00:38:27,833 --> 00:38:30,875
So like even the non Eminem tracks
I heard, like
846
00:38:31,666 --> 00:38:34,708
I heard insane in the Membrane
by Cypress Hill, I heard some biggie,
847
00:38:34,708 --> 00:38:36,625
I heard Naughty by Nature.
848
00:38:36,625 --> 00:38:38,625
Pharcyde was, yeah, every song.
849
00:38:38,625 --> 00:38:41,291
I was like, yes,
I remember, this is great, this is great.
850
00:38:41,291 --> 00:38:43,208
Very much enjoying the music.
851
00:38:43,208 --> 00:38:45,583
Yeah, music is classic. Oh,
852
00:38:47,083 --> 00:38:49,958
and this was a box office smash.
853
00:38:49,958 --> 00:38:54,333
Budget was 41 million
and it made 243 million
854
00:38:54,541 --> 00:38:57,458
in the box office.
855
00:38:57,458 --> 00:38:59,166
It was one of the most sought after DVDs
856
00:38:59,166 --> 00:39:02,166
when it was released of all time.
857
00:39:02,291 --> 00:39:05,583
I remember when it came out and I was,
858
00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:09,541
working retail and, BestBuy.
859
00:39:09,541 --> 00:39:12,541
Yeah, it was
it was flying off the shelves.
860
00:39:13,541 --> 00:39:15,458
We just passed the 20th anniversary.
861
00:39:15,458 --> 00:39:19,000
It was released November 8th, 2002. Oh.
862
00:39:19,666 --> 00:39:22,666
No. No. No,
863
00:39:22,958 --> 00:39:24,500
the Universal Pictures put it out.
864
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:25,875
Had a lot of backing.
865
00:39:25,875 --> 00:39:28,083
I don't think I need to be made again.
Made today.
866
00:39:28,083 --> 00:39:30,666
There's no. This is a.
867
00:39:30,666 --> 00:39:33,666
It was the first time.
868
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:36,583
It's kind of like a icon
869
00:39:36,583 --> 00:39:39,250
origin story
or a superhero origin story, right?
870
00:39:39,250 --> 00:39:41,500
Yeah. Really.
871
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:44,500
You got Anthony Mackie
and it's like a superhero story.
872
00:39:44,916 --> 00:39:46,000
That's true. Yeah.
873
00:39:48,083 --> 00:39:50,875
Right.
874
00:39:50,875 --> 00:39:51,750
Three.
875
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:54,750
Three. Three. Three. Three.
876
00:39:54,791 --> 00:39:57,333
Six. Big.
877
00:39:57,333 --> 00:40:00,083
So we'll go around,
give us give our ratings.
878
00:40:00,083 --> 00:40:01,541
On the film.
879
00:40:01,541 --> 00:40:04,041
So boogie bring that funky flick back.
880
00:40:04,041 --> 00:40:07,041
Bring that funky flip
back or leave it in the vault.
881
00:40:08,583 --> 00:40:09,250
Oh man.
882
00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:11,416
Bring that funky flick back.
883
00:40:11,416 --> 00:40:14,250
Yeah. To down. All right.
884
00:40:14,250 --> 00:40:17,250
Bring that funky flick back.
885
00:40:17,625 --> 00:40:18,250
Of course.
886
00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:21,250
Bring that funky flick. Back
887
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:23,458
right on. Okay. It's a classic.
888
00:40:23,458 --> 00:40:24,041
Yeah.
889
00:40:24,041 --> 00:40:27,041
Yeah.
890
00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:35,083
Bring it.
891
00:40:35,083 --> 00:40:38,083
Come on.
892
00:40:38,083 --> 00:40:38,500
Hip Hop
893
00:40:45,333 --> 00:40:49,875
Movie Club is produced by your HMCs, JB
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894
00:40:49,875 --> 00:40:52,500
Right? Theme music by Boogie.
895
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:55,958
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896
00:40:55,958 --> 00:40:58,958
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897
00:41:02,041 --> 00:41:04,541
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898
00:41:04,541 --> 00:41:09,583
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00:41:10,125 --> 00:41:13,000
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900
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902
00:41:21,125 --> 00:41:22,250
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903
00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:25,250
Thanks for tuning in.
904
00:41:27,083 --> 00:41:28,916
And remember, don't hate.
905
00:41:28,916 --> 00:41:31,458
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906
00:41:31,458 --> 00:41:34,458
Yes. Yes.
907
00:41:41,833 --> 00:41:44,833
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908
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909
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