So I think we should just start with the if you guys could just tell us I almost wore that same sweatshirt, by the way I I swear I was wearing that one earlier wade. Yeah, i'm completely distracted In bitcoin veterans. It's a great sweatshirt Um, if we could start with Who you guys are. You guys introduce yourselves and then we'll just, we'll, we'll just start asking you questions from there. I'm Wade Hook. Bitcoin and veteran Alaska and me, Premier Bitcoin and Light Node. Um, we homeschool our kids here in Alaska. I'll let Tammy introduce herself and then, uh, Yeah, I'm Tammy Brown. Uh, different names, but that's okay. Well, I've lived in Alaska for 26 years. I have two older children. And then, wait, I have the two younger children and we've been homeschooling Tristan and Sena well, since 2020. Actually since 20, the end of 20, the school year of 2019. Technically because the schools here closed down in February. School doesn't. End up here in Alaska until May So we were homeschooling through the last end of that and then put them through the actual homeschool program The following school year and have been going strong ever since through the home bridge homeschool program here in alaska here in juneau So, how did you So you're the one that brought homeschooling and said hey wade. We should do this Were you the one that was kind of homeschooled first We kind of agreed to do it. We were seeing how poorly run the education system was because of the pandemic and how the kids were not allowed in school. They would spend like 15 minutes a day on the zoom class meetings and our kids were just screwing off. They weren't getting an education. They weren't doing anything. And so we decided even before that school year ended that we're not doing this next year because it's ridiculous. There's really no other. way to put how the school systems were run during the pandemic, other than ridiculous. And do I understand, you know, this was something that happened and we had no way to, to factor this in. Yeah, I understand that. But I didn't think that my children, our children were going to get a good education the following school year going through public school system. There was no way. Could only handle so much with the kids putting masks on so they could be on zoom calls to, to get an education. Yeah. They were required to put a mask on to go on Zoom. No, but it was a That would be really bad. Yeah, it was definitely a signal. The next year we noticed that the kids going to public school weren't going to school half the time anyway because the school was closed down because somebody may have tested positive for COVID or whatever during that time. Yeah, that was the big one. That was, that was the big one. It's like, how can you send your kid to school and not know whether or not you're going to have to take the next two weeks off work because the kid pops positive for COVID. And so, so how can you function like that knowing that you can't maintain a job is you're bouncing in and out your kids bouncing in and out of school because somebody in a classroom pops positive. So, that was the, the end all be all for me. Yeah, and, and at the time, Wade and I were both working from home. The state of Alaska kind of, as an employer, they kind of shut down. Everybody was working from home. So I was like, I'm home anyway. Why don't, why don't we just homeschool? So we did. And I think with, with Sena at the time, Sena was first grade when COVID hit. So she was second grade the full year she went through Homebridge, the homeschool system. She was second grade. And that was, that was interesting. Tristan was going through fourth grade and he was, everything he was doing was on the computer. But Senna starting out was in workbooks. And so what, what you are asking is, is what would I advise other parents, you know, starting out? I think it's important to start out with your smaller children. working on those basic fundamentals, the reading, the writing, and the mathematics. And I think that's very important to do at home on paper. But there is also some aspects of working on a computer, because let's face it, computers are where we're at right now. Computers is where we're going to learn how to maneuver through our society. It's also, you know, we have smartphones and And we have, you know, if we're going to be moving into Bitcoin and teaching this to our kids, they have to be electronically sound. And I think that's very important to teach them at an early age. And I don't mean three and four year olds. Our kids don't have cell phones. Our little ones don't. They're not allowed to be on electronics unless they're monitored, even at, you know, 11, almost 12 and 13, almost 14. They don't have free access to electronics without being monitored by us because it's just not smart. It's not good for their brain function. They lose the aspect of, of learning on their own. And, you know, smartphones have made us ultimately, in my opinion, smartphones have made us ultimately dumber. Um, I could tell you how many, how many phone numbers of my best friends growing up in high school or growing up in middle school. I could just spout off to you real quick. I couldn't tell you my adult son's phone number or my adult daughter's phone number because I don't need to. I have a smartphone. It does that for me. So these phones are making us less intelligent and more dependent upon them. Okay. Yeah. I have two, two threads to pull on for you. So the first one is the pandemic's over. You're still homeschooling. So the first question that I have is what has been your experience where, what, what have you gone through going through the COVID and now you've come out of it, you, there's something that made you decide we're going to stay with this. So what was that decision process? Like the decision was made Wade and I both decided we talked about a lot of things that were going on politically. And, and ultimately the level of education that the children are receiving in public school and the politics surrounding the education nationally, the education program are the two things that, that Wade and I decided we were just going to homeschool our kids. The homeschooling curriculum We got to choose which curriculum our children got to go through. Were they going to go through something super easy where they're not going to be challenged? Are they going to go through something where they're going to be moderately challenged and can learn something? Are they going to go through something that's really going to challenge them and make them truly learn something? So we were able to choose which curriculum the kids were learning. And we chose at first to go through one curriculum that was very, very difficult. It was very stringent and had a lot of hands on, uh, parental grading processes. And then we decided to kind of dial it back a little bit and go through one that's, that's a little easier, but ultimately it was, it was what the schools here were teaching, which is just trash. It's just garbage. It's not worth it. the kids being able to go through because it's not challenging and they're not really truly learning anything and the political stance. So a little bit, I'd like to add on that political just a bit. Um, not too long ago, one of our son's friends, um, was going to a haunted house and he asked if he could have permission to go to this haunted house with his friends, father and son. So, On the way out there, they realized that the haunted house wasn't taking place that weekend, so rather than taking a left, they took a right and ended up out of this kid's house. Well, after a while of our son and his friend playing games in a game room, the other, son, um, got very upset and disappeared for a long time and then had a breakdown, just meltdown. So the police, uh, ended up coming to the home and brought our son home. And, and the police officer stated that this child, his grandfather was there and his grandfather had a medical emergency, all untrue. Grandfather doesn't even live in the house, but because of the grandfather's, medical emergency, the son, uh, needed to go to, um, the hospital. So the officer, police officer decided to give our son a ride home. So what, what was, what we ended up finding out was this son wasn't really a son, it was a daughter, and um, this son played soccer with our son's friend. Nobody knew this boy was actually a girl, and including our son's mother. Our son's friend's mother. So she had been allowing her son to sleep over at this girl's house. And this girl had been coming in his room and knew exactly what she was doing with her body parts. So, uh, it is complicated, but when our son's friend's mother contacted the father and said, you need, why didn't you let us know that you had a daughter? His response was, well, you didn't ask. So, she had no idea that her teenage son was staying the night with this teenage girl, and they had been sleeping together. It's just, um, And when, when he, when she stated your daughter, the father corrected her and said, no, my son, no, no, she knows what she's doing with her body parts. This is not your son. Um, I'm sorry. So these are the things that we have to endure as parents these days, where this girl is playing in boys soccer and leading everybody to believe that she's a, and then there's all those other questions. Like now she's having a breakdown because. Our son's, our son's friend is giving, his, him more attention than her. So she has a meltdown because she's got an, an incorrect view of reality and has to go to Bartlett hospital to deal with her trauma. And then the question comes up, well, is this, is our son's friend gay? No, because this was a girl or the question of, what if she gets angry and calls this rape that's been going on? So these are things that are, you know, make me afraid for my children. Do I want to have my children participate in, and this is something that really happened to us. And we're very protective. When you unleash them on the school system, the school districts, and they let this altered reality, you know, explode. Like, I don't want our children to have any contact with that. We, we ensure that our friends don't participate in those mind games. And take advantage of our children. Wow. In a nutshell, that's kind of why we don't let our children go to public school. That's why we continue to go to school. You want to have control over that, um, protect them from some of the Psychosis? Yeah, I mean the indoctrination that's really going on and where the state wants to control the Yeah, I call it what it is. It's psychosis. If you actually look at Merriam Webster's definition of psychosis, it's believing that something isn't there. For example, people who hear voices in their head, they call that psychosis. You are on a plane and somebody starts getting sick and then everybody on the plane starts getting sick. That's mass psychosis. What is going on right now is, is a country with mass psychosis. They are believing that they can our children are being taught and and believing that they can be if you are genetically born a boy That you can't change to be a girl or vice versa If you are genetically born a girl that you can't change to become a boy and they are teaching that and allowing that in our school systems two years ago in 2020 no school year of 2022 to 2023 the elementary school You that our children would have been going to. They had a massive party for an eight year old who has these, who had at the time decided that they were now, instead of being a boy, they were a girl, and they had a coming out transgendered party at the school without the parents knowing about it. I don't want my children to be in I don't want them to be subjected to that. Mm-hmm It's pretty, it's pretty scary. Yeah. What, um, what, what has been the experience been like then? This is, this is for Tristan then, right? Um mm-hmm In terms of being involved in activities and being, he's going at some point going to be interacting with people who are still maybe old friends that are in public school. So how did, yeah. So that's a, I mean, he's got a, that's a lot to process. It's one thing to say, Hey, we're going to homeschool. It's another thing to say, well, they still have to be able to interact. Right. He has friends that he plays with. Um, we're more recently, one of the local gyms where he takes karate has decided that there was a gentleman who was in the locker room who decided that he was getting looked at oddly when he was putting on his dress after, you know, and They allowed him to start using the women's locker room and that caused a backlash in the community. But, you know, if my children who are minors are going to that gym and they're using that locker room for karate, that's not allowable. Like I will not allow, I will not subject my children to going into a locker room with an adult of the opposite gender because they feel uncomfortable. So the gym decided to have, you know, unisex restrooms that they could, their locker room where they can change it. But I don't think that'll be enough because, which, which begs the question, what is the agenda of the individual to begin with to go into the alternate genders locker room? Like, will, will they become upset because they can't be in the locker room with them? People of the opposite sex. But to more directly answer the question, what do we do? For socialization, our children are in a karate class that takes place two days a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays, for two hours. The karate class, it's not your, your normal karate class. They, they have less students, but they have more diverse students. It's not just children, it's children and adults, but they have an age cutoff. So the youngest you can be in there without having an older sibling is eight years old. So they have, they have that interaction. Tristan also is involved pretty heavily in his boy scouts, the local boy scouts. Here in Juneau, his particular troop is led by a former Marine. So we're, we're pretty, we're pretty positive that he's going to have, and we know he's going to have a good experience there. He's been. in that social group for a couple of months now. He's gone camping. He's done a couple of different other social events, done the popcorn. But you know, one thing that I, I have found that with the, the homeschooling is, is the socialization. You have to get the kids into those social groups. For a while we had a pod, a homeschooling pod that was teaching here in Juneau just a couple blocks away where there were other children of all different ages that you could go there. The unfortunate part of that is our homeschooling allotment did not assist with the payments and the payments were pretty hefty. So we decided to, to no longer have them as part of the pod, but we're still friends with the people that we met in the pod. So they still have, have that, that social connection. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm finding that our children are a little bit more diverse with the age groups that they can associate with because of being homeschooled. You know, Senna is one of her, her good friends is now Senna's 11, almost 12. And one of her good friends just turned nine. So she's able to associate with younger girls and still have that, that female connection with them. But she also has a set of twins who are 12 who, so they're about six or eight months older than Senna. And then she has another little friend who she met from the homeschooling pod who just turned nine, literally like last Sunday, just turned nine. You And they come over and they have spend the nights with each other. And they do, you know, all kinds of really fun girl things. But I think with homeschooling, if you're going to have new kids, it's important that you get them out into the socialization, because that's a huge part of going to public school, is that socialization. Learning how to open up. Make a friend, be a friend, keep a friend and how to talk to people and how to associate not how to This is my way. I'm going to do it this way and this is how we're going to play but learning how to Be able to communicate with your friends and play Interactively and sometimes we do it my way. Sometimes we do it your way And sometimes we play what I want to play and sometimes we play what you want to play. Yeah, you'll and oh, Sorry, I thought you were done. Go ahead I was going to say, and, and, and one of the things that I've tried to get Senate into is, is a group called Girls on the Run that is open to not just homeschool children, but also public school girls. And it's just for girls. There's just girls in it because it's all about being mentored by the running team leader. And the running team leader is usually somebody who's part of our Rotary Club. So not only are they being introduced to female camaraderie, but it's also, you know, part of the rotary and you're in a group of girls that range from five years old to 18 who are in school of some manner of fashion. And then you're running Nate, your, your team leader for the running. Yeah. I, I think that, I mean, it's critical where you're talking about being exposed to other ages, our experience with our kids. Cause ours are. Are older now because they're 17 to 22 Is that because they were with tolly all the time they were interacting with adults They were interacting with kids. They were of all ages that they can hold a conversation with just about anybody in a very courteous manner a very mature manner and I my opinion is that public schools. It's very unnatural That you put kids only with other kids of the same age and The, the idea that socialization is a problem with homeschooling is exactly opposite. That's my opinion. I think it actually, they do harm to the kids by, by doing that. But I mean, let's, I would like to go a little bit on the, the Alaska and how you guys chose your curriculum. Because one of the things that I find really interesting is you, this whole Homebridge program, it, it seems to me that, that Alaska is a Just an awesome place to homeschool. It just feels that the support you have to, to go. And then Wade, later, I'll ask you about sovereign education. Cause I know that's a phrase you like, but, um, so can you just help the help others understand, we didn't know about it, that just the, the, the way the homeschooling works, every state is different. Can you guys touch on that? Because I think it's a, it's a really cool thing. And if I could take the lead. So, Alaska constitutionally, um, the Alaska Constitution states that we'll have a robust public school system. So, it's mandatory that the state will provide it, no matter what, um, federal decisions come about regarding, uh, education. So, um, the public school system's not going away in this state. The, uh, but during COVID, they couldn't figure out how to, um, Help people with the homeschooling process. And I think that's when Home Bridge was constructed. Maybe it's been around a while, but the, but the way it works is you're given an allotment as a parent per child, to, um, decide on your own curriculum and you have a bridge home. Bridge your bridge to the public school system so I can homeschool my kids. But they still have access to the um, school library, or school sports, or just, they can take a class in the school, they can show up for a fifth period, and take whatever class is offered in the school, whereas they're still homeschooling. So, you end up with this uh, hybrid education system. And while you do that, you can also get paid. You can also pay for a training outside of the normal school curriculum be it If they want to go skiing in the winter time that can be part of their pe class so they can get season passes Or karate's covered or boy scout expenses not the gear, but the you know, the expense of boy scouts can be covered Maybe a local gym um karate uh swimming ceramics at a local pottery um store or Or be it, you know what we've been talking about with education and um Uh, Austrian economics. So it opens the door to, you can still have the socialization, but not mandatorily go to the full curriculum in the school you are abridged in that regard, most of the people are either more one than the other being that if you're involved in home bridge, you're going to be homeschooling more than you might go for, you know, to be on the swim team or something, but it really opens the door for. Me as a parent to say, Hey, um, this gentleman, um, with this photography company would like to teach photography and I can pay him through the school to teach our child photography. And, and therefore we get to focus the education that our child receives based off of what we believe their interests are rather than the limitations that the kids have in the public school. Like these are your three options. Instead, these are all of your options. You know, your 14 year old wants to learn auto mechanics, but there's no auto mechanics course. Well, why don't they go work with a local mechanic and learn basic automotive at a shop that wants to do a two hour class in the evenings? You can do that. That's so cool. I wish, I wish we would have had something to help us with that. When we lived in Iowa, there was something, I guess, a little bit similar. So Homeschoolers got half of the stipend that public school kids did, but they didn't give it back to the families themselves. They pooled the resources together, and then they, they built a community center for homeschoolers, a library, and all the activities took place in that building. And any homeschooler can go and sign up for any class. And, but we didn't get the stipend. To receive the money and do it elsewhere. It had to be at their center But it's something similar like we're paying we're paying tax dollars anyway And it was so painful to have to pay everything out of pocket When we see our public school You know friends who just get like receive resources, you know Well, they yeah it you're paying for that. We're all paying for that and then they're they're controlling they're giving it to you They're doing a poor job of what they are teaching. And then you have all the other stuff we just talked about. So it's, it's like salt in the wound, but every state can do it. And so what's, what's motivating is people standing up. And I think the, the idea that the homeschooling movement is increasing should put more pressure on the, the state and local types of educational systems, depending on where you are. To pursue those types of options. I think the longterm solution is just to take away all their money and that the parents just keep the money and decide for themselves where it goes. But short of that, if they're going to take it anyways, in terms of property taxes or other things, I think it's better to have it, at least some of it go back to those who can, who can decide best what to do. Um, Yeah. So I think it's pretty cool. You guys, I mean, photography, karate, swimming, you guys have already named some of the, the things that you're working into your curriculum that may not be part of a normal public school type of curriculum. And I think that's one of the huge upsides too. Well, I mean, the other thing also is there's a, I believe very arbitrary age requirement for a lot of these topics. So when I was going through school, economics wasn't wasn't even an option until you were a junior or senior in high school. Whereas if you feel like your child is ready to learn about it, you can start that in middle school. So the parents get to gauge when the child is ready, not an arbitrary age system. And I think that's huge because you, if you see a child who's able to start economic training or lessons from middle school, imagine what they're able to understand by the time they're in high school. Versus just starting as a beginner then because somebody dictated that that's the only time they're ready for it, you know How are you? How are you teaching the the money concepts and Bitcoin? Just kind of because you're both bit corners, right you guys go to conferences and for that for the audience just so you know They're very very active We're gonna get into this a little bit later. But mm hmm. Yeah, how do you guys teach money in Bitcoin? Tristan just kind of He's absorbed a lot via the meetups that we have and just one on one discussions with him. So so he gets it Senna she gets it a little bit better I think because she'll ask us to put her money She'll go shovel driveways and give us her cash and say put this in the Bitcoin. Oh nice When she she puts it above candy at the corner store Yes, so uh They haven't had any formal education yet, but enduring 15 people who are Bitcoiners here at the house, and having conversations routinely, and enduring the, the content, be it Rustin with Simply, or, um, you know, watching Sailor videos, eventually some, you know, it breaks through even a small child. On the note of what Talia said, the, uh, The fact that I just, I just thought of a question like, so if kids aren't able to earn, learn economics until junior or senior year, maybe that has to do with the fact that you have to have an understanding of algebra to understand the denominator that exists in the modern, modern monetary theory, because it's a variable rather than a fixed number. That's the denominator. I don't just, that comes to mind. I think they decide they like to make it more complicated than it needs to be because then you or everyone become more reliant on the quote unquote experts to tell them what's going on. Right? So Paul Krugman tells you that the economy is really good, even though you can't pay for your groceries or the heat for your house. Right? So, um, I think it's, I think we drastically overcomplicate what economics is, which is why I love Austrian economics. And the second thing to Tali's point. We, as a society, we have these, these ideas that kids can't learn things until a certain age, and that's not true. Kids can learn an amazing amount. They, they actually like to learn. And if you expose it to them, they will pick it up really fast. At least that's. that's what we've experienced. And you can teach a 6-year-old Spanish real easily. Mm-hmm Why can't you teach 'em economics, right? Yeah. You can. Or at least the basics of, right? Yeah. Right. So, uh, and you, and you guys bring your kids to conferences, right? You guys, uh, did they, didn't they come out to Nashville and you have the whole gang out there? My older, my two older children. Well, my older daughter And her husband came out to the nashville, but no the kids were left at home Uh well cared for While we were gone my older son who's 28 He was here as a backup and we had a friend staying with them The whole time we were gone, but no the littles didn't come out. They didn't come out for that But they're going to your meetups and they're certainly hearing mom and dad talk about things You And do they do so, so Wade, you, you participate in the meet premier Bitcoin as a, you're a full node or you can sort of a light node. Okay. So like the 11th light node, one of the earlier ones, but, um, being with all the activities, um, Bitcoin veterans and everything we did in Nashville and then the, uh, event this year, this next year. Yeah. I've been lacking with that, but at the same time, we're still holding meetups here in Juneau and I still teach the curriculum here locally. So we still utilize the content. Well, I've initially, when I became a light note, I had version one of the textbooks printed up and I've got a whole, a couple of boxes of them. And then, uh, we just pass those out to people, you know, who are curious and, and don't really want to come to a meetup or we utilize those textbooks there. I spent the extra money and got hardback books. So they're, they're durable. And, uh, we'll just go over them in classes here or you don't have the content. So, right. Your kids are watching though. They, even if you don't put the diploma in their hands and say, read this, they're seeing where you put your time. They're probably hearing some of your conversations on podcasts or video that you're watching, you know, they, they know they're going to pick up on what mom and dad are working on. So, all right, wait, I gotta put you on the spot a little bit. So, uh, you used a phrase the other day, uh, we were talking about the Alaska, Bitcoin conference. That, uh, I assume that's, that's out in the, in the wild and everybody can know about it. So, uh, if not, we'll cut that out. But, um, used a phrase, uh, sovereign, we were talking about sovereign education. And, and so, um, what does that mean to you? Like, cause as a Bitcoiner and a homeschooler, I constantly am thinking of all these things. I didn't use that phrase before we talked. Um, but what does it, what does it mean to you? What does that phrase mean? The, the idea, the idea behind it was initially, I have friends here in Alaska who are native Alaskan and they're very proud people. And trying to get them involved in the Bitcoin movement. So they understand it better. They, they express that they're sovereign people all the time. Everything they do is they are a sovereign people, but they don't realize that under the current financial system, they're not sovereign. They're not a sovereign individual. They, they are just, they're incorporated. They, they play fiat games. They have a fiat mindset. They get benefits from the federal government. That's the money printer. So it's hard for them because they receive benefits from the money printer directly. They don't have control over the financial life. Now, um, same can be said for sovereign education. If you are under the umbrella of the public school system, are you a sovereign, um, are you providing a sovereign education to your children? To be. A sovereign education to me would be where the parents get to choose and, you know, also get the input of the child to figure out what their needs are for education and what their interests are. Trying to force something down a kid's throat that they're not ready to learn yet. Um, when they're ready to learn something else, you're just missing an opportunity by trying to force feed something that they don't like when they have an opportunity elsewhere. So sovereign education is just empowering the parents to decide on the education, the direction of the education of the child. Yeah, I love it. We'll add it to our phrases like self custody education and separation of education and stay. We're going to put that one right up there. Sovereign. I'm going to ask a question for parents who are still just considering homeschooling and a little bit intimidated by the entire process. What would you say was the hardest challenge you had to overcome over the last four years homeschooling? The stigma of homeschooling versus sending the children to public school. Honestly, I mean, for me, as, as a full time working parent, because I work full time outside of the home. Wade works full time outside of the home. And yet we homeschool our children. How? We're not home, but we are. We're able to do this because of the type of curriculums that we've chosen. We've chosen curriculums that are online videos. That great as you go, if the children have questions, they have the ability to contact their homeschooling teacher, which while it's me in this case, wouldn't be me. They have open access to go to the home bridge, actual physical site. And because we live like three blocks away from that particular school, they can walk there, they can ride their bikes there, they can go together, they can go individually. But they can go, and they don't have to have an appointment. They can go to the Homebridge site and they can say, Hey, because they all know who the kids are. They're like, Hey, we need to, we have some help on, we need some help on this particular subject with this. They've got their laptops in their backpacks. They sit down with the teacher. The teacher can plug them in, access the internet, and the teacher there can actually physically help them. That's what I love about Alaska at least Southeast Alaska's home bridge program is while it is homeschool, they still have the ability to go to the site and ask for that help and get those tutoring. They do tutoring at the public libraries. We have three, they have a downtown library, they have a library in Douglas and they have a library in the valley, which is where we live. And if they need some special tutoring. They can go to the library and do the tutoring there as well. They also do game days and chess days. So it was just mostly the stigma of homeschooling being working parents. To expand on that, some states also have a mandatory or minimum age where you can leave your children at home and attend it. Alaska doesn't have that. No. If you leave your child at home and the house burns down, yeah, you're going to get a a citation of some sort, you know, Office of Children's Services is going to come with some pretty intense questions. Um, if you are a responsible parent with responsible children, you have more latitude if you trust them. Fortunately, we trust our children. We also have a home video system that covers pretty much the entire house, so we can dial in. We have a home phone landline, so they're not exposed electronically, but they have a means of reaching out if there's an issue. And if the phone goes out, we can reach them by screaming through the camera system or setting off a siren remotely. So they do their schoolwork during the day. And then when we come home at night, sometimes it can be a task. And if we have to go over their homework and, and have those difficult conversations that where the children aren't doing their homework, but. Also, the benefit, one of the benefits of this is, with the curriculum they're currently in, if they don't do all of the assignment, it gets reassigned. So there are no zeros in the school system. There are no lazy, I don't like that project, I don't like that assignment. Um, I, I, I had a few of those in high school where I just didn't want to do the assignment, you know. Um, but they don't have that latitude, so they actually have to work through the problem. I love that you literally just broke that expectation of you must be a one income family in order to homeschool. You have to have a full time mom at home in order to homeschool. And you just explained that away beautifully, that it's possible. Now some people might say, well, I live in a state where I don't have that kind of support. My kids can't go down the block and get help. What would you say to those people? Uh, lobby your government. Um, there's, there's not a lot of options. You have to find somebody in that case to watch your children. If we were in Arkansas, I think the age is 14. We couldn't do this. Um, and, and in the home homes in the, uh, sorry, the Bitcoin world, we always talk about location arbitrage. Yes. The reason maybe you should consider relocating to a different state that's friendlier towards homeschooling parents But with the financial system, the only reason that two incomes are required to support um to allow people to have a sovereign education is due to the fact we have inflation and Pretty soon. It's gonna we're gonna have to have multi family homes. Mm hmm. Oh To support the home. Yeah, so So you have to break the paradise somehow Oh, I like the I like what you said though. I you you So we've talked to people who were in germany where it's illegal and they just they voted with their feet and they They moved Within the united states it is we have much more flexibility In terms of that it's it's easier I'm, not saying it's easy to find a job I'm, not going to say that because it depends your circumstance that can actually be pretty challenging. However Comparatively to other places in the world. If you want to move to one state or away from another state, you can do that. I mean, people already, they're already leaving the, you know, the, the, the coast and they're going to places like Tennessee and, and, and, and Texas. And then even within a state, you can, one county or another might be different. And so if you are working remotely, man, now. The world's your oyster. You can kind of, you kind of pick and choose where you go. So I think that's a long term play. The, uh, the other thing that I'll tell you about my mind is you can still, even if you were in a circumstance where you had to, your kids still have to go to public school, you still have them at night, you still have them on the weekends, you still have them when you're driving to and from sports events and drama events and whatever and whatever else. And so it's, it's a matter of as best you can to be present. Uh, with, with them, and so. Also I want to say that it varies, the regulations vary hugely state by state. So we live in Kentucky, and it's not as strict as Ohio, which is a bordering state. But Indiana is even more relaxed than Kentucky, and they're also a bordering state to Ohio. So in terms of just the law about letting your kids be on their own at home, we had a neighbor years ago who got in trouble because. Her son was sick. She drove into the pharmacy before the time of the drive through, you know, which we have every single pharmacy has it now, but not before, not a long time ago. Anyway, she got in trouble because she left her son who was not feeling well in the car while she went in and got the medicine and somebody called the police and she had to go to court to explain why she left her son in the car. And he was nine years old. And you know, you have those kinds of situations where she's like, Oh my God, I can't ever leave them alone. You know, it's It's this whole assumption of kids are completely defenseless and parents are ultimately responsible for absolutely everything. Well, it's a control thing too. It is a control thing. And Ohio also requires that, um, that the school system, either your child takes a standardized test or the portfolio has to be reviewed by a licensed teacher in order for you to continue to homeschool. So that's Ohio state thing. So if somebody is thinking about homeschooling and you're wondering what your choices are in terms, if you're willing to relocate, uh, the best place I can think of to go to is the homeschool defense league website, which we'll put in the show notes and just click around and just see how the states vary in the regulations before you decide what your, all of your options are. Right. But I think it's a really important thing to consider. If you feel like you're, you have to take a certain job because of the circumstances, but it's a, this is a low time preference thing, deciding where you're going to live. Maybe you can't change that in one year, but you could probably change that in two years or three years. And kids are very resilient. And so I think this, uh, what'd you call it? Geographic arbitrage is that, uh, is that what you said? Um, I think that's a, that's a real. That's a real thing to consider. Um, if the parents are in sync with each other, that's, that's great. If you, uh, disagree about moving because you're close to family or there's some other circumstance that could get complicated. Uh, so I'm not trying to say it's easy, but it is, it is an option. I guess it's a matter of what your priorities are. If, if my priority is, you know, out fishing halibut, I'm not going to move to Arizona. So, so every product applies to every aspect of your life. It just, if education's up there towards the top for your children, um, you probably don't want to be in a heavily indoctrinated socialist style school system that doesn't allow for competition. Right, right. So I have a question. This is you, do you guys intend to then do the whole, the homeschooling all the way through the high school years? We're open. Um, it depends on what the future of the education system is. If, if the public school system here continues to go down the route that it has been going regarding, um, circumstances or issues that we don't allow for, that we're not going to participate in. Yes, we'll homeschool throughout. If they decide that maybe they made some mistakes and they're willing to roll back some of their policies. and inform parents of the things that they're doing with their children at the schools, then we consider it. And, you know, I, I don't know where, what the future holds, but I do believe that there may be possibilities coming where, where parents will have, will, where parents will be recognized as parents again, because right now they're not. The parent has a constitutional right to their children, The school system does not have a constitutional right to your children Legislators don't have a constitutional right to their children. They will They may yell about These are not your children But these are your children and and no matter what they might scream from a podium. So I guess it depends on where we go politically Yeah The hope is that the more of the funds will be given from the federal government to the state and the state will be able to Will be able to drive the education through the state versus having these national standards. Mm hmm. Oh, yeah Yeah, so the the the program that is that we talked about at first the home Ridge that That's going to stay there. Is there any risk politically that they they try to pull that now that it's post Pandemic or there is the um, they tried to Put the kibosh on that last year through the legislature they uh the issue was The funds can't be utilized for um Forget exactly what the What the issue was, but they tried to quash it and it they fortunately they failed but it had to do with Especially if you are sending your kid to anything that might have anything having to do with some faith based education. Um, you, they, well, okay, going down all the weeds a little bit. So, I wanted to enroll the kids in a private school system that is here local to Juneau. And it's faith based, but that's the only private school option there is. So, I wanted to utilize Homebridge funds for that, but the school district refused to allow for that. So I did some research and found that Love, wait no, sorry, it was a case in Maine, I believe, where the, the school system was disallowed from, it just went all the way to the Supreme Court, was disallowed from regulating funds going to a faith based school, um, based off of, um, it being religious. So, Since they lost, I contacted the, uh, er, er, since, um, the school district lost, I was able to reach out to the, uh, Assistant Attorney General here in Alaska and asked if they were going to recognize, you know, this school as being allowable to receive funds through Homebridge, because Homebridge had already told me that they would not allow for it. They said yes, they, they, they see the decision as absolute, and, you know, their stance is that This um, religious school, faith based school should be able to get funds. So I reached back out to, I reached out to the department education commissioner. Just go with it. They won't even have the conversation. They won't allow for the funding. They just, they don't recognize what the assistant attorney general for the state of Alaska stands is. So. It's. And then now with the, uh. They want to move all the funds back from homeschool back into the public school system. There's a huge lobby from the education union to push the kids back into school because they're losing their funds. They get some I don't know. It's some ungodly 17, 000 per child or something. Whereas we educate our kids for under 3, 000 a child annually. So, so it's, it's much less expensive for the state, but they stopped losing the, they start losing the benefits of their monopoly on education. Yeah. We want to keep that monopoly. Yeah, that's a, that's a fight we have to keep, keep battling. And I think this is Across the board, in every industry, the, the swamp is going to fight back, right? Every industry, whether it's the food, the medical, the higher education, every industry is going to fight back. And all their different players, the NGOs, the unions, they're not going to want to give up their gravy train. Um, and making an argument about what's actually best for the kid or what's actually efficient and, and where you can say, I can do this for one fifth of the costs or one sixth of the cost. That doesn't matter because the framework that they're coming at from is they're losing their power. So they'll make the argument somehow it's for the kids or something. So I think that if parents like you don't stand up, then, then we're going to lose. Because they have a lot of incentive to keep pushing like that and it's hard to fight and they're going to fight harder and harder. I, I think they're going to continue to fight at a new intensity now that they're being threatened across the board with all the recent things going on this year. So, so I've, I've, when we were first starting to educate people in the community about Bitcoin, um, all these people have different topics that they like to address. And, and I support their, their battles or individual fights, but. There's a lot of people who are fighting those individual fights who don't understand what the, or don't recognize the, uh, how to win the game overall. And if you want to win this game, you stop fighting. You don't stop fighting the individual fights because in the short term, you need to win those little battles. Um, but in the longterm, you need to understand the money is the problem. If the federal government can no longer print money from nothing, you end up with What I like to refer to as the parasitic symbiotic relationship between a, um, elected official, um, and a special interest group. So, so the, the federal government funds whatever this entity is, and the entity takes those funds and they distribute it how they see fit, but they also roll those funds back into the election of the individual. So you end up with this parasite sucking off, uh, but yet feeding a little bit of, um, Heroin back into the elected. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so if you want to resolve the issue with the Department of Education or anyone else, you have to address the money. And once the money is fixed, that somebody, that parasitic relationship goes away. So in the end, we need to focus on, you know, we need to win the battle for the children today because they're in school right now. But how, where are you going to put your energy? Well, you need to put your energy in both places. And a lot of people just, they like to fight these little battles without understanding how to win the, the entire fight. The money is the fight and they don't, a lot of people don't recognize that. So, um, that's the direction I try to move people. A little fights. Um, uh, if we, if you realize there's other people who have a The, they may not understand the money part as the cause, but they can still help us on the way. Right? So when the father in Loudoun County, Virginia is fighting because his daughter was raped because of the school trying to cover up the boy in the bathroom and the girl's bathroom type of thing, and he gets labeled by DOJ as a terrorist, right? I mean, you have to, you have to start fighting that. I heard an interview, I think it was a month ago. It was a. It was a French teacher, I forget what state, and, um, it was calling somebody by the wrong pronoun, basically, because he got fired for it, right, and he eventually had to, he eventually won his, his case. And so, I think if the, the people who are aligned with the state, in whatever facet that is, it's the industries, it's the unions, it's the NGOs, it's the whoever, um, it's We, we all have to be fighting those little battles. I do think, I mean, the money might be the big ultimate thing. That's allowing them to continue to, um, to grow and keep their power. Um, but in the meantime, if, if the, if the people who support the state separate us and they don't, and we parents don't realize you do have the defense league, you do have their parents to go to. You do have, you're not helpless. You can take action. You can go to a different state. Like we talked about, you, you can fight in court. You can do you, there's, there may be a thousand little things that you can do, but I like to encourage people that, yeah, the money is the big, the big problem. And sometimes people are, they're just focused on that thing. That's right in front of their face, right? If you're, if you're again, like the Loudoun County example, if you're, if your daughter is being exposed to that, that's an immediate danger. Immediate danger. There's no way in hell. I'm not fighting. Like, I mean, I don't, I'm not going to wait 20 years. Um, and have my, my kids exposed to that kind of danger while I, while I wait. Um, I think part of my, I think my point is though, it's they don't, they don't realize that you you're not alone. Like they, they try to isolate you intentionally and scare you. And you're threatened with cancellation. You're threatened with losing your job. You're threatened with whatever fill in the blank. They can threaten you with But some things are worth fighting for We all have different roles to play Because we all come in with different passions and different interests and different reasons for doing what we do So wade the fact that you're willing and know how to look up legislator Legislation from a different state to support your claim. That's amazing Not everybody knows how to do that. Not everybody has the skills or even know enough to question that But they have other things that they can do Make a difference in. And so I think it's just important for us to recognize that we all have a different role to play. You do what you can do and collectively we will make waves. Yeah. Yeah. Not everybody would even have the knowledge to, to think of that. I wouldn't have thought of it, let alone the courage to go ahead and move forward with it. So I mean, you're, you are fighting, right? I mean, you are fighting, even though we know that the root causes the money, right? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. There's so many, so many good things. I just, I'm just so encouraged though, it makes me really bullish to hear what's going on in Alaska. I don't like to hear what's going on in this, in the public school system that you're describing, but that's happening in a lot of different places. That's happening across the board and to see a program where maybe it doesn't eliminate all the money, all the taxes that are being taken and, or tax money that's given back to the school district or unions. Homebridge is a pretty positive thing. What you guys described or what you guys have is a lot better than let's say, if you're in Ohio or California or, you know, other, other places, New York, Virginia. So I'm just really optimistic to hear about, to hear your story. I think it's inspiring and maybe somebody in those other States that can't move can use Alaska as an example. To try to make a difference in their state. Yeah, exactly. Right. I mean, um, so before we wrap up, I thought I'd ask you to share a pro wisdom from the, from the last four years. What would you say to new homeschoolers to encourage them to continue the fight because there are some days I know for every homeschooling family, we have the question, should we continue? Can I continue to do this? So what would you say to those people? I would just tell any parent who's homeschooling and questioning, am I doing the right thing by homeschooling? Yes, you are doing the right thing by homeschooling. I think that depending on the state that you're in, all I can speak on really is Alaska. Based on the Alaska's education, having two older kids that have gone through it, and then having our two littles that are going through it, the level of education. That the younger kids are getting versus what the older kids got It's just a better because we're able to choose the curriculum that the littler ones are going through It's just a better curriculum. It's It focuses on their strengths. It brings their weaknesses up to strengths. They're able to learn at their pace and honestly tristan's almost done with his eighth grade year if If he was He's doing more time, utilizing more time, you know, time management. We're still learning. Um, if he could do a little bit better time management, he'd be done with his, his eighth grade year and could be starting on ninth grade already by Christmas. Yeah. He usually is done with the school year by December or January. Yeah. So then after that, do you just give him free reign to study whatever he wants for the rest of the year? Um, yes and no. We have the ability to choose other classes. We've talked with his Homebridge teacher, and his Homebridge teacher doesn't want him to start ninth grade because that is technically high school. He doesn't want him to start all the courses through ninth grade, but we can give him electives. He can actually take college classes with his allotment. So if we wanted to put him through, for example, a higher level math class, we could do that through the college as opposed to signing him up for ninth grade. Or we could choose to do a different curriculum for the next four months or five months. So instead of going through right now, we're going through a cellist. Instead of doing that, we could choose to put him through like Calvert Academy for mathematics. He likes math and is fairly good in math or, you know, pick a, another, uh, geography class for him to take through Khan Academy, which Khan Academy is free, but it's still something that is accredited through the school district. In Alaska. Okay. Well, back to your point though, Talia on that, um, the mandatory age for a class. I find this, this one of the weaknesses that still exists with, um, Homebridge is that as he's 8th grade rolling into 9th grade next year, he, uh, if he takes classes that could be accredited, he could earn credits for in 9th grade. If he takes them now, he will not earn credit for them, even though he completes them. So, we're having to hold him back right now rather than advance him so that he doesn't end up in a very difficult um, point. in the future where he struggles with graduation. So there is still that weakness, uh, that, that fine line where they have segregated junior high from high school, which they shouldn't do. Yeah. They need to let kids just, the fact that they're holding them back. We had that experience. My, how old was he then? 11. My 11 year old had finished algebra and received permission from the science teacher to take general science. Not a big deal anyway, um the co op we were going through Rejected his registration because they said well, it wouldn't be fair to other high school kids If an 11 year old came in took the class and I said, isn't that the point of homeschooling? That yeah, he can advance as he's ready to advance and the co op rejected their registration emphatically And so I pulled all my kids out. I'm like, that's not why I'm homeschooling. I'm going elsewhere. Tali just pulled it. I think that's what I made some enemies, but you know, you got to do what you got to do. And I think it's so silly because if you're homeschooling, why would you tell the parents they're making a wrong decision? Because then they're just basically. It's fiat thinking, you know, it's a, it's a fiat. I get it. Yeah. It's frustrating. So I actually have one last question. So. If you guys don't mind me asking one more before we, we do wrap up. Um, so one of the things that Talia and I have struggled with, we've gone to homeschooling conferences, we see all these similarities, but we're very passionate about it. And the message is, is really hard to, to reach people who aren't already in the Bitcoin community. I, we, we, we find that making the argument for why sovereign education, all these things that we just talked about, it resonates really, really well in the Bitcoin community. But we can't just stay in our own, in our own bubble. We have to, we have to kind of push forward. So things like the Alaska conference that you're working on, um, are there, what kind of opportunities in Alaska are there to try to, to continue to push on the homeschooling side is, is kind of the conversation. It doesn't have to be Bitcoin, but, um, for example, um, Can we get some of those, those homeschoolers to the conference or, I just feel like it's, when we talk to each other, we're already Bitcoiners and we look at each other, we say, we already agree with each other. I, and we have to argue who agrees with who more, right? Um, like it doesn't really, it doesn't really help us reach outside of that. So what are your thoughts on that? Uh, what are you guys working to help push outside our kind of core group, if you will, or core people? So Gabe Lord, um, brought up a scripture at one point. I can't remember the exact scripture. Um, but it has to do with not being able to educate your own family and friends in your own community. You have to go outside your community to, to get somebody to teach your, your best friend about how something works. Um, people will trust a stranger with a reputation faster than they'll trust their best friend in their own community. That's a, it's very difficult to break through to your friends. So here in Alaska, my goal is to get Alaska on a Bitcoin standard, right? Um, be it all my communications with the Alaska Retirement Board, there seems to be only one person who's even interested in having a conversation about Bitcoin, or be it, um, Trying to speak with permanent fund corporation, which is how a lot of our state government's funded. And we receive our permanent fund dividends through the state of Alaska or, or just, um, trying to build out a Bitcoin community here in Juno or trying to get the unions on board and the pensions and trying to get the whole community on board. I guess I see Juno as a unique situation. Like you have to meet people where they're at. And I'm trying to meet the community where I'm at and that, By holding a conference in a community that has all of the decision making power for the entire state of Alaska, which is an 80 billion sovereign wealth fund, uh, unfunded liabilities in the pensions and the unions and the native corporations, hence the sovereign people here at the conference. The, um, to, to have a conference in Juneau and to bring a massive influx of talent. and knowledge on money and sovereign money into Juno, it could impact the entire state. So, um, I can only go so far as to orange filling the people of Juno and to, so what am I doing? I'm bringing the experts here. Um, this isn't a huge money making conference by any means. There's no money being made in this conference. It's just about Getting the ticket, the money that we receive for tickets and pouring it back into getting the best minds up here too. And unfortunately with this, like if you have this influx of Bitcoiners go to Nashville, what do you gain? Well, you have this, this almost quarantined off community that goes to a conference. They stay at hotels. They're, they're, they're, they're separated from the community, but to do this conference here in Juneau. We are doing this over the 4th of July. Everybody comes from around Southeast Alaska to attend the, see the fireworks, you know, see the parade. So to bring the Bitcoiners here is the most challenging time to come because there's less lodging, less facilities, but it's also the highest impact timeframe of the year to have a conference. So we want to bring, and, and also as the conference starts formally on the 5th, you know, the, the will pass cruises on the 3rd. Watch the fireworks that night, but then the next day have the parade. We can have floats in the parade. We can have people walking around, um, handing out along the float, um, flyers for, um, The conference, uh, flyers that can go over sovereign education. We could have a sovereign education float in the parade and then, um, encourage people to show up at the conference the next day to hear the conversation about it. So, so trying to, I think we'll have success bringing people to the conference. Juno is only 30, 000 people. So, but they, But we have a captured audience. They cannot escape the community. So if we bring people to the community, there's only so many places to eat. And as people go out to eat and ask the question, do you take Bitcoin? And so I, I see Juno is in a different type of situation than other places down South, where, how do you have that conversation? And it's just really hard to educate people on something that. When they know you for so long, they may not. Um, yeah, I can't remember the scripture, but it is, it was very true when he stated it. If you find it before we post, we'll just include it in the show notes. Um, but I think it's, that's really cool. So some of the people, influencers who might come influencers as in people who can help impact Alaska budgets and education. So you're saying some of those people will also be in attendance, or at least you're trying to get some of those people into attendance. So we have right now for the sovereign people, I, you know, I have my dream, like, as far as who I would love to have up here. Um, one of which, um, I'm a huge fan of Alex Gladstein. I mean, I'd agree with that. Everything that he says, but his mission is 100 percent right on and I don't agree with everything. Anybody says He's coming up and that is the opportunity to hear him speak and to speak on sovereign sovereign, um Money. Mm hmm. First of all people here Where we have people who see themselves as sovereign I think that is a Will be a high impact Um lisa huff. She'll be up here. Um She's our keynote. Um, she's going to be speaking on, uh, energy and national security. So we have a lot of energy in the state of Alaska, and if we want to have a national, you know, a stance on the planet, as far as, uh, embracing Bitcoin is good for our national security and explaining that, I think that's powerful. Um, you'll be up here speaking in sovereign education. With hopefully a very qualified panel. Um, working on that. Well, I was just talking about the other side of it though, Wade, because if we come up there, uh, I was just wondering, you have to convince people in Alaska who may not be Bitcoiners to give people like Gladstein and others or Lisa and others the time of day, right? And that's a, um, you're, you're almost trying to create this marketplace of ideas. Yeah. You're, you're bringing people out. outside into the state. That's great. Um, it seems to be kind of challenging. You also have to convince people in the state they have some something that would benefit them personally by attending this thing. You know, that's a that's a hard you're trying to build everything in this. One of the things that I've seen with being a part of the The homeschooling community here in Juneau is we have a number of social media sites. Well, maybe a number isn't the right term, but we have a couple different, at least Facebook sites that home homeschool, specifically homebridge parents are on. And now we have three different homeschooling programs in an, in Juneau, just Juneau and homebridge is the one that we're connected to. So I have a homebridge parent. Facebook page that I'm a part of, and then a homeschooling parents page that I'm a part of. Mm-hmm So I'm a part of two different homeschooling parent pages on Facebook. Yeah. And I have from time to time, brought up and post made, made comments on the pages about bitcoin. They're at least not taking my comments down. My posts don't come down, which means people are still seeing them. So as we get closer to the conference, as we get closer to, to getting to where with me Premiere Bitcoin, we're going to potentially teach another class to, you know, the students for free on our own time. At the public library for certain age groups, because I don't want to have a five year old who's going to be there running around, be an extraction year old who is truly wanting to learn about Bitcoin. My point being is with the political aspect, you know, the political motion that we've got going on right now with the change of administration, we are looking at Bitcoin becoming a little bit more. Of a a buzz a little bit more noise about it going through not just our community Or certain communities, but through the national level Hoping that these bitcoin little bugs that i'm putting out will catch someone's eyes And maybe the students who are part of this because there are some older students Who are part of these pages as well? Maybe they'll see that and be like, oh, holy moly. There's a conference going on You And maybe somebody will reach out, you know, maybe we'll have a mom reach out. What are the youngest age groups that can go to this? Or a student will reach out and say, Hey, I've been talking with some friends and we're interested in this. How can we become a part? How can we attend this? How can we learn more? And, and with those little, you know, what do they call them? Ear mites or ear earworms where you're, you know, you've got a song, a song stuck in your head. Maybe you've got this thought stuck in your head. Oh, New administration, he's talking about Bitcoin. I've heard about these other Other coins I won't use the term that Wade uses but these other these other coins because because we are just Bitcoin We don't teach anything. We call them appropriately. Yeah We only teach the Bitcoin Yeah, I hope you guys are successful in planting those seeds and getting those those folks out because Yeah, I agree with you. There's the political winds of change. The, the news cycle has changed now with the, with all, with all the things going on ETFs and others, uh, micro strategy. So yeah, I hope you guys, I wish you the best with being able to bring the people from Alaska to somehow connect at it, you know, come out and experience some of that buzz. And that's, I mean, that's how, I mean, Tali now when we was at 2022, we went to our first conference. I think, no, the, the first, um, Bitcoin conference, I think we went to Miami. I think it was 22. Um, Tali spent her entire time like, I mean, Oh man, that's so and so speaking. And she was like, well, I really don't care. I can catch that on YouTube, but I can, I have a captive audience over there in the, on the floor. And she would go up to whoever she had a question about. Somebody had a wallet. She'd go up to them and she'd just pepper them with questions. And then someone next to them had, they were running some kind of minor, peppering with questions. And then somebody else had legal services or whatever it was. I mean, they had, it was it. And then you had somebody else with, I don't know, the little, what do you call the little stamps for your, to, to record your, the seed stamps. So she took it as, I'm just gonna, I've got a captive audience and I'm just gonna ask, until I feel like I, you know, I, I got what I wanted out of this thing. And she just, so if, if you can plant that somehow in these people, if they have any interest at all, that this is an amazing opportunity to just learn and talk to people face to face and, and, um, Yeah, it's good stuff. So did we leave anything out? Did you guys wanted to cover? I feel we've hit a lot of different topics. We've gone over the hour. So, uh, we've probably exhausted you with our questions, but anything else you guys want to cover? Just real quick to roll back on that for the Alaska conference, trying to tackle this from all these different directions, be it bringing the veterans out, um, we're going to have the Bitcoin vets run in the morning up to Nugget Falls. I believe we're looking at tentatively July 1. We're bringing up Paladin Tower Tactics for firearm training that afternoon. So now, um, we can, you know, break into that community a little bit. Um, we'll have a big picnic out at Aquarek. You know, everybody's invited to that. So hopefully we get some faces out there on the beach and a fire and some, you know, outdoor picnic food. Um, July 3rd, the cruise, you know, if you're not signed up for that, you'll, you know, that'll be something that's not really pulling so much from the local community, I guess. Hopefully we can get, we can break the political barrier with the governor's office, which we're working at doing and getting him to, um, open the conference and, um, you know, break some of the barriers with the different, uh, um, Departments with the state. Um, then, uh, The parade on July 4th, integrating that so we can have a presence and be recognized as a presence in the parade and get people to walk along, maybe do a Bitcoin veterans cleanup after the parade because there's candy and papers laying all over the ground, you know, do something good for the community. And then July 5th, not only is it the conference, but we have the bazaar at an, in a neighboring building where we'll have local vendors who are accepting Bitcoin. So we're getting local vendors who go to these, um, different shows to, you know, start accepting Bitcoin. So to build out that marketplace in Juno and to bring in these businesses to understanding how to accept Bitcoin with their business, be it through strike or whatever app they choose to use. And then, uh, closing out the conference, July 6th. So, we're trying to break through different areas, you know, with Alex Gladstein being able to speak on human rights, you know, we can hit the university and the school district, um, with, uh, Lisa Huff, we can, we can try to get, um, the governor's office in, and who knows, maybe if we did manage to get Michael Saylor, maybe we could get the Permanent Fund Corporation and the 80 billion Sovereign Wealth Fund to take it seriously. Ooh. So. It's trying to get the right people to tackle the right subjects. And, uh, yeah, that's so cool. Well, it takes a lot of, a lot of work to put that together. So we're very grateful to have people like you who are, are willing to go the extra mile and do that. And thank you for homeschooling your kid. You're going to relationship with your kids. You guys will tell him, I will just tell you, you will never ever regret that you've spent more time with your kids. Right. It's just, it's really, really good that you're doing that. And, um, with that, I will, I guess we'll wrap up and we'll put all your, all these, all the information in the show notes. So thank you guys. We'll talk to you soon.