I want you to walk back in time with me and imagine we are deckhand on a
Speaker:Mississippi Steamboat in the 1860s.
Speaker:April, 1865.
Speaker:The Mississippi Air was thick, not just with humidity, but with the thousands of
Speaker:union soldiers crammed onto the Sultana.
Speaker:As a deckhand, I'd seen our steamer full, but this was different.
Speaker:They were fresh from Confederate prisons, eager for home, their hope.
Speaker:Palpable.
Speaker:I was in the engine room feeling the boiler's familiar thrombin when it hit,
Speaker:not a shutter, but a sudden deafening roar, a blinding flash, scalding steam,
Speaker:and debris tore through the deck.
Speaker:Above the sound was a metallic shriek, followed by the screams.
Speaker:The ship lurched violently.
Speaker:I scrambled out, choking on smoke eyes stinging.
Speaker:A ship was tearing apart her wooden hole, no match for the blast.
Speaker:Orange flames raced across the decks where men had just been singing panic erupted.
Speaker:Soldiers many two weak to swim, lept, or were thrown into the frigid water.
Speaker:Screams for help for God, for mothers were everywhere.
Speaker:Men disappeared into the churning water swallowed by debris and flames.
Speaker:The Mississippi usually so gentle, became a hungry monster.
Speaker:That night, I grabbed a floating crate, my lungs, burning muscles
Speaker:screaming from the cold water.
Speaker:The strong current pulled us downstream away from the burning wreck.
Speaker:Looking back, the sultana was a fiery inferno, a jagged burning
Speaker:skeleton against the now orange sky.
Speaker:The noise faded, replaced by the chilling cries of survivors in the water.
Speaker:We drifted, numb and shivering watching our world burn as we drifted away.
Speaker:The sun rose later painting the sky with bright colors that felt
Speaker:so at odds with the darkness below.
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Speaker:Alright Jen, so the Sultana disaster, this is something that some people,
Speaker:a lot of people, especially, you know here in America right,
Speaker:have probably may have heard of.
Speaker:But I would say most folks don't know about, but this is the largest
Speaker:American maritime disaster ever, period.
Speaker:Yeah, I would say most people don't know about it.
Speaker:I would say when I bring up the Sultana with most people, it's
Speaker:really history buffs who might know it, but most your average everyday
Speaker:person have no idea where the average everyday person knows the Titanic.
Speaker:Or they know about the USS Arizona.
Speaker:But they do not know about the Sultana.
Speaker:And so yes, this is the greatest maritime disaster in American history
Speaker:happened during the Civil War.
Speaker:And and most people don't know about it 'cause it was overshadowed
Speaker:by another major historical event.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And that historical event is probably something everybody knows about as well.
Speaker:So it's understandable why people don't know about this, but it's sad because.
Speaker:These victims have been forgotten then because of that and because they, they're
Speaker:like literally forgotten because the most unknown Civil War soldiers the
Speaker:second most is in Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker:And it's because of this disaster.
Speaker:And so it's one of those things that it.
Speaker:Could benefit from more research, it could benefit from people digging in
Speaker:and learning more about these men.
Speaker:But unfortunately it's just so unknown that it just needs more
Speaker:awareness to the average everyday person and history in general.
Speaker:Now, when you say it happened during the Civil War, it, I think it
Speaker:technically happened like right after the Civil War was technically over,
Speaker:like literally the war had just ended.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And we're, I know we're gonna get into the details.
Speaker:The war had just ended a couple thousand prisoners ish.
Speaker:Are released from prisons down down south and are getting brought back north.
Speaker:So tell us Yeah.
Speaker:The surrounding events around this.
Speaker:Yeah, so like you said, it happens in April, 1865, so it's this
Speaker:big month of history, right?
Speaker:So yes, the surrender happens in April of 1865.
Speaker:Lincoln is assassinated.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:April, 1865.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Appomattox was like April 9th or something like that.
Speaker:April 9th.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Then Lincoln then.
Speaker:This happens April 27th, 1865.
Speaker:So it's like this whole month is filled with these big historic
Speaker:events, and the first two are so huge it overshadows this third one.
Speaker:But yes, technically you're right, Scott.
Speaker:It's, it's, I would say civil war timeframe.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But not during this.
Speaker:It's, it's the aftermath of the Civil War.
Speaker:So like you talked about, it was a. The Sultana was a side wheel steamboat
Speaker:on the Mississippi River, and when we talk about the Mississippi River,
Speaker:it really is like the main highway of this, of the country at the time.
Speaker:railroads are really starting to find themselves being very important
Speaker:during this time, but the Mississippi has held its its importance.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Before the Civil War.
Speaker:After the Civil War, and because that is so important when Vicksburg falls,
Speaker:it really is like the end of the Civil War because now the union controls
Speaker:the Mississippi and that is this vital vein through the entire of America.
Speaker:Yeah, and actually when I had originally written my intro with
Speaker:this kind of story there, I had written it that the characters.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:Us were actually kind of didn't, didn't know what side they were on.
Speaker:They just knew that business was busy.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Because the Mississippi was important, whether you were in the
Speaker:south, whether you're in the north.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And most likely, I would guess a lot of these Steamboats were
Speaker:probably operating within, I wouldn't say with impunity 'cause it.
Speaker:'cause it sounds like, they don't care what side they're on, but I would
Speaker:imagine they were busy regardless of who was controlling what port.
Speaker:So commerce, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's so important to trade and so it's vital to the north and the south.
Speaker:It's vital to the economics of the north and south.
Speaker:That's why when the North finally controls it, they can control how much.
Speaker:Supplies are getting to the south.
Speaker:And so they're not letting that happen.
Speaker:And the north is taking all the supplies.
Speaker:So the people who are operating on the Mississippi, yes, they're still
Speaker:holding allegiances to one side or the other, but they're still, overall,
Speaker:their motivation is the dollar money.
Speaker:And so much so the Sultana is known as the fastest ship on the
Speaker:Mississippi, and we talk about.
Speaker:In the video why that is, it's, it just has made the fastest voyage
Speaker:from Cairo to new Orleans, and that's how they measured that.
Speaker:And so it gets to have the antlers between, its two smokestacks and that is
Speaker:a symbol for everybody on the Mississippi, that if you wanna trade your goods or get
Speaker:your goods to the major ports, new Orleans this ship will get it there the fastest.
Speaker:And it was really neat because.
Speaker:We'll talk about the museum that we went to in Marion, Arkansas.
Speaker:That is the Sultana Disaster Museum.
Speaker:That's actually getting a new location, new, new, improved location.
Speaker:One of the docents there, she taught us about the antlers, which
Speaker:I, we thought was really neat.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And I believe like they even would race, and I don't know if they were like
Speaker:actually sitting side by side racing, but they were just like, who can make
Speaker:the fastest trip up, up, and down?
Speaker:And then, then they would get these antlers because if you didn't know
Speaker:that factor, you'd be like, why are there these random antlers
Speaker:strung between the smokestacks?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:So they're actually strung between the smokestacks.
Speaker:And if you look, and for those watching the video, I'll put
Speaker:up a picture of the Sultana.
Speaker:You can actually see a pair of antlers strung between the two smokestacks of
Speaker:the Sultana indicating that they had.
Speaker:That they were currently, they had won the recent fastest time
Speaker:or whatever that was Right.
Speaker:They're the Millennium Falcon of them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it's a side wheel Steamboat and like I talked to before on the
Speaker:video and side, so Steamboats come in like three different variations.
Speaker:You got the paddle wheel in the back, which is a lot what people think of when
Speaker:they think of paddle wheels or, or, or.
Speaker:It's wheel driven ships on the Mississippi, but a side wheel, the
Speaker:Sultana has a side wheel on each side of the ship and not as big as a, as a
Speaker:stern wheel would be split the side.
Speaker:But the neat thing about a side wheel is one wheel can move forward.
Speaker:One wheel can move in reverse, and it can really maneuvered the ship a lot more.
Speaker:Easily to get it close to the sides of the riverbank, which is what the
Speaker:Mississippi is doing because it's pulling into these ports right on the side.
Speaker:And so it can really get close in to get loaded on and off.
Speaker:And so the versatility of how you can maneuver that ship
Speaker:made a side wheel so much more
Speaker:advantageous for Mississippi Travel.
Speaker:And then you have an internal wheel.
Speaker:So those are the three different kinds.
Speaker:You have a stern wheel, you have side wheels, internal wheel.
Speaker:Internal wheel is inside the ship.
Speaker:You don't really see it from the outside.
Speaker:That one is not as used as much because it's dangerous.
Speaker:If you ever have traveled on the Mississippi, we, I have extensively
Speaker:you get a lot of trees that will.
Speaker:Wash off and tro down the Mississippi.
Speaker:If it's pulled into a internal wheel, it really does damage inside the ship.
Speaker:And so they really didn't use those as much.
Speaker:But those are the three types of wheeled boats, ships you
Speaker:would see along the Mississippi.
Speaker:But Sultana a side wheel now it's built in 1863, so it's not a very old ship.
Speaker:Oh, I didn't realize that when you think about this, didn't realize that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it's really intended for this lower Mississippi trade,
Speaker:so it really has made its name.
Speaker:Doing a regular route between St. Louis and New Orleans, and
Speaker:it has a crew capacity of 376.
Speaker:Remember that because this is gonna be its downfall.
Speaker:Now it's first launched in January of 1863 and like I said,
Speaker:it's, it's about 260 feet long.
Speaker:It's 42 feet wide, and two side mounted paddle wheels driven by four.
Speaker:Fire tube boilers.
Speaker:So those boilers make a difference too.
Speaker:So think tube boiler per wheel, per side.
Speaker:And when we talk about the boilers, they're 18 feet long and they
Speaker:contain 25 24 or five inch flutes.
Speaker:They're kind of like, hold the water and boil it.
Speaker:And that's where you're getting the steam and that's how you're driving these ships.
Speaker:So, think about.
Speaker:How this is all working together.
Speaker:'cause this is all gonna be the downfall of this ship.
Speaker:So what happens this, these events, like you said, the Civil War,
Speaker:the surrender happens April 9th.
Speaker:The Sultana finds itself in.
Speaker:St. Louis.
Speaker:On April 15th, right after the president's been assassinated.
Speaker:That's right.
Speaker:And it gets, and the captain, and we have Captain James Ka.
Speaker:Cass Mason is just informed of the assassination of the president.
Speaker:So he runs out and gets as many newspapers as he can to get the
Speaker:information down to New Orleans.
Speaker:'cause he knows he's the fastest ship on the Mississippi.
Speaker:They drape the ship in morning cloth, which they buy.
Speaker:Lots of black cloth and they drape the ship in morning cloth.
Speaker:'cause that's also like a symbol and a message they can send as
Speaker:they go down the Mississippi.
Speaker:Think a lot of people still aren't literate at this time.
Speaker:That's why the antlers are such a symbol for everyone to
Speaker:understand what that means.
Speaker:Draping a ship in morning cloth is also a great symbol for the nation to see along
Speaker:this massive highway of America that.
Speaker:Our president has been assassinated.
Speaker:That's,
Speaker:I mean, that's how they got the news out, that that's, that's also part
Speaker:of the reason, after Lincoln was assassinated, that they, I think.
Speaker:Probably a small part of the reason why they took the long train route Yep.
Speaker:To get him back, to Illinois where he was eventually interred was to
Speaker:let the nation see and get the news that way, to believe that this is
Speaker:something that actually happened.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Because there's no television.
Speaker:And the people wanna mourn as a nation.
Speaker:And so the train route is so significant and so is this Mississippi?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Water route.
Speaker:So Captain Mason does his job.
Speaker:I would say as a, as a, a leader on the Mississippi, he is taking the news
Speaker:from St. Louis down to New Orleans.
Speaker:He leaves St. Louis, April 13th, 1865, bound for.
Speaker:New Orleans on the morning of April 15th, he's tied up in Cairo when the
Speaker:word reaches that Lincoln has been shot.
Speaker:So it's the 15th when he hears the information in Cairo even though
Speaker:he leaves from St. Louis on the 13th, and that's when he gets an r
Speaker:load of the newspapers from Cairo and Heads South to spend the news.
Speaker:Now he hits Vicksburg first and in Vicksburg, he talks to a Captain
Speaker:Reuben Hatch, the chief quartermaster at Vicksburg with a proposal.
Speaker:So they know union prisoners of war are gonna be released,
Speaker:people are gonna be pardoned.
Speaker:They're coming from Cahaba that is a confederate prisoner of war camp in Selma.
Speaker:And they're coming from Andersonville that's a very famous Confederate
Speaker:prisoner of war camp in Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker:And they know that.
Speaker:Those paroled soldiers are gonna be hit in Vicksburg and they're gonna
Speaker:wanna be going back home, back north.
Speaker:And the US government would pay $2 and 75 cents per enlisted man and $8 per officer.
Speaker:So they come to an understanding.
Speaker:Knowing Mason needs money, hatch suggested that he could give him a
Speaker:load of about a thousand prisoners.
Speaker:Now, bear in mind it's gonna be loaded with almost double of that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And and and they're only supposed to have like 360 ish.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And only if Mason would agree to give Hatch a kickback.
Speaker:So he agrees to Hatch's off where he's like, yes, let's do this.
Speaker:And then he leaves Burg.
Speaker:Heading down to New Orleans.
Speaker:So they have this plan in place, right?
Speaker:Because Hatch knows the prisoners are gonna be coming to Vicksburg.
Speaker:He'll hold them there.
Speaker:He'll wait until the Sultana makes its way back up north after hitting
Speaker:New Orleans with all the news.
Speaker:And then they have this plan already worked out, so they don't even have
Speaker:to talk about it when they come back.
Speaker:So this is already understood.
Speaker:Before they even load on the prisoners and before they even hit
Speaker:Vicksburg to get the prisoners.
Speaker:So it's an understood agreement.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't think I realized that it had been that.
Speaker:That's set up by, by the, the, the players, the ship's
Speaker:captain and some other folks.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So they leave Vicksburg, they're they're down in New Orleans.
Speaker:They disperse all the newspapers.
Speaker:They disperse the news, and they leave New Orleans on April 21st,
Speaker:and they have about 70 cabin and deck passengers and some livestock.
Speaker:So there's about.
Speaker:70 paying passengers on board too.
Speaker:So again, legal capacity, 376 85, crew 70 paid passengers, and
Speaker:so they have about 150 people.
Speaker:As they hit Vicksburg to get loaded up.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:So, but what happens is about 10 hours south of Vicksburg, before
Speaker:they even hit Vicksburg, one of their four boilers springs a leak.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:So they already have a boiler.
Speaker:Issue.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Before they even get to Vicksburg.
Speaker:So that's before later on when things start getting outta
Speaker:outta whack as far as balance.
Speaker:'cause there's too many people.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So these say, think of these boilers are already handicapped.
Speaker:So it's when they get to Vicksburg that they.
Speaker:Get a boiler repair, and it's just like a quick fix.
Speaker:It's not a new boiler to replace everything they're taking and a boiler
Speaker:is under mass amount of pressure and heat, and they're just repairing
Speaker:this boiler, which they're gonna put a lot of stress on this boiler.
Speaker:So this is, this is the whole issue by why, why this happens.
Speaker:It wasn't like they had four great working boilers as they're leaving Vicksburg.
Speaker:They have three great working boilers and one that's severely.
Speaker:Incapacitated.
Speaker:Well, and if you think about it and, and we call this a Sultana disaster, right?
Speaker:And we know from the intro that, that the, one of the, one of the boilers, if not
Speaker:a couple explode, but they're putting, think, if you think about just total load
Speaker:that this, the boilers are designed to handle, which is less than 400 people.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And they end up with what, like over 2000 on board?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:At, at the end of the day when everyone's loaded on board, it's 21, 27.
Speaker:So they're putting like.
Speaker:700% more
Speaker:mm-hmm.
Speaker:Than, stress and effort and all the stuff on these boilers.
Speaker:So that's interesting about the leak and like the repair.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So when you think about four boilers, and they're supposed to have 376 people, each
Speaker:boiler handles less than a hundred people.
Speaker:When they load on 2,127, each boiler's gonna handle over 500 people, right?
Speaker:So, like you said, yeah, like they're taxing these boilers
Speaker:way outside of their capacity.
Speaker:Plus you have one that's just been repaired.
Speaker:So this is where the whole issue starts.
Speaker:So they reach Vicksburg on the 23rd.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And and they start to load people on.
Speaker:And like I said, they get, they had just gotten all those release prisoners
Speaker:from those two Confederate of prisoner of war camps, and they load on.
Speaker:They believe that they're loading on less than 1500.
Speaker:In actuality, they load on 1,950 paroled prisoners.
Speaker:So like they had made the deal for a thousand, right?
Speaker:They double that 'cause they're just not paying attention.
Speaker:They're not checking.
Speaker:And then 22 guards from the 58th Ohio volunteer.
Speaker:You got the 70 paying passengers from New Orleans and you have the 85 crew members.
Speaker:That's a total of 2,127 when it can only hold.
Speaker:Three hundred and seventy six, that's 1800 people over the capacity of the ship and.
Speaker:I show you this picture that they take on April 26th.
Speaker:So they leave the night of April 24th.
Speaker:They make their way up the Mississippi.
Speaker:And on April 26th, they stop in Helena, Arkansas, where a photographer took
Speaker:a picture of the overcrowded vessel.
Speaker:And I show that.
Speaker:On the video.
Speaker:That's kind, that's like the famous one.
Speaker:They have it like all blown up.
Speaker:So if you go to the Sultana Disaster Museum in Marion, Arkansas, which is
Speaker:only like, what, 20 minutes from Memphis?
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:It's just across the bridge.
Speaker:It's might might be 15 minutes.
Speaker:So if you're in the Memphis area, definitely go visit.
Speaker:But they, they have it blown up.
Speaker:And what they point out is what you're gonna talk about is like
Speaker:how the smoke stacks look different and, and that's indicated by all the
Speaker:people being on one side of the ship.
Speaker:For this picture.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So everyone comes over to the landside 'cause the photographer is setting
Speaker:up there to take this photograph.
Speaker:Well, you have 1800 people over capacity all going to one side of a ship.
Speaker:And if you know anything about ships like Scott and I do, balance is everything.
Speaker:. And so it's gonna list
Speaker:and, and, and these and these river borne.
Speaker:Ships and boats and stuff like that, they don't have a deep draft.
Speaker:So it's, it's the center of gravity, which is what's really important on
Speaker:a ship, is much higher for these, these boats that are on the river.
Speaker:And so when you have all of these and you, I'll show the picture for
Speaker:the, for those watching the video, when you have all these, these men
Speaker:going to one side of the ship, that center of gravity is gonna start.
Speaker:Rocking the ship over towards where the picture is on the landside.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And like Scott said, riverboats not gonna have a high draft because it's shallower.
Speaker:The Mississippi gets very shallow in certain places, especially closer in
Speaker:towards land, towards different ports.
Speaker:And so it doesn't, it can't have a high draft, so center gravity is higher.
Speaker:The more decks you put on a steamship, the higher it gets.
Speaker:And when you bring people over, it starts to list so much so that the captain
Speaker:was worried it was going to to flip.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Capsize.
Speaker:And so.
Speaker:You can tell in the picture I show you one smoke stack is letting off
Speaker:smoke and the other is letting off.
Speaker:Nothing that lets you know that the boilers are unbalanced.
Speaker:There's water in one and there's not water in another, and so you're not
Speaker:having anything to burn, essentially.
Speaker:So no steam is coming out and you can, it's so evident in the picture.
Speaker:You can also see the listing.
Speaker:You can see where it's leaning into the water more and.
Speaker:They just get the picture as quick as they can and they get the men
Speaker:to move over to the other side.
Speaker:Now the ship is also like bowing in certain areas, and bowing is like the,
Speaker:the floors are bending down and so they're taking wooden planks and pushing
Speaker:up the floors of the, like the third, second deck, third dead fork, death
Speaker:to hold the people up so they know.
Speaker:They have more people than they should have.
Speaker:They should
Speaker:dump like half of 'em at Memphis.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:So this happens on the 26th, this photograph is taken and
Speaker:Scott will show the photograph.
Speaker:You can even still see the antlers in the picture of the photograph.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's super cool to see.
Speaker:And that's taken in Helena, Arkansas and that they're gonna
Speaker:arrive in Memphis at 7:00 PM.
Speaker:On the 26th and they're gonna unload 120 tons of sugar, which is gonna
Speaker:help, and then 200 men get off.
Speaker:So, whew.
Speaker:Those men really do help.
Speaker:And then she, then she's just gonna go a short distance up the
Speaker:river and take on some coal about 1:00 AM and then it's 2:00 AM.
Speaker:On April 27th, 1865, about seven miles north of Memphis,
Speaker:the boilers suddenly explode.
Speaker:It kills people instantly, and then all everyone else goes into the water.
Speaker:Yeah, and, and one of the things, and.
Speaker:I know a smidge about steam stuff because my first ship in the Navy
Speaker:was still a steam ship, right?
Speaker:The Navy has used Steam works well.
Speaker:Steam Power works very, very well.
Speaker:And so the Navy still has some steam ships out there.
Speaker:In my first, as the tarawa where actually where you and I met.
Speaker:And that was a steam ship.
Speaker:Now, I was not an engineer on that ship, so I didn't learn as much as others.
Speaker:But one of the things that you're looking for is balance across the boilers.
Speaker:You don't want to put a sudden drastic change on one
Speaker:boiler because think about it.
Speaker:All of a sudden you put a bunch of water in there.
Speaker:If there's all these men that are making the ship rock back and forth and making
Speaker:things out of balance, well, if one boiler is taking a heavy load, the other
Speaker:one is getting super hot, but it's not burning anything, and then all of a sudden
Speaker:if the water shifts over, that's gonna cause a sudden amount of water, heat, and
Speaker:steam that will all of a sudden expand.
Speaker:Think about heat, right?
Speaker:Heat expands and that can cause an already weakened or already.
Speaker:Recently fixed, quote unquote boiler to potentially explode.
Speaker:And that is most likely what happened with this because
Speaker:things were so out of balance.
Speaker:They were so heavy, the boilers just couldn't handle the load.
Speaker:They were so overstressed, and that is most likely one of the things that caused.
Speaker:The explosion.
Speaker:And so you have people who die instantly, but you have all of these weakened
Speaker:prisoners of war going into the water and all the wood is catching on fire.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, and you gotta think about it too.
Speaker:It's still, it's April and the Mississippi will still get pretty cold.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So it's still spring.
Speaker:And so it's not like they're falling into this warm, lukewarm water
Speaker:where they can just float to shore.
Speaker:I mean, it's, I don't, if it's not icy, it probably feels like that to these
Speaker:men who were already very, very sickly.
Speaker:If you've ever seen pictures of prisoners of war that left was it
Speaker:cahaba and what was the other one?
Speaker:Andersonville.
Speaker:Andersonville.
Speaker:I mean, they are emaciated beyond belief.
Speaker:It's, it's disturbing some of the, the pictures that are out there.
Speaker:So men like that falling into the water.
Speaker:Just literally don't have the strength to try and fight and swim their way to shore.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They were so weakened.
Speaker:They ran outta strength.
Speaker:They cling, they, they would clinging to each other, but
Speaker:whole groups went down together.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And so the, the Sultana is burning and they realized, people in the area start to
Speaker:realize that this is happening about two 30, about half hour after the explosion.
Speaker:Boats go out to try to rescue the survivors.
Speaker:So at the same time, dozens people have floated down river and they're
Speaker:beginning to float past Memphis.
Speaker:They're calling for help.
Speaker:And so you have ships going into the water to save people.
Speaker:But in the end, the casualties are about 1200.
Speaker:So 1200 people will die.
Speaker:And and then you're gonna have, it was like 2100, 1200 dies.
Speaker:And
Speaker:I, I wanna say like there's like another couple hundred that actually
Speaker:die, like after they get out mm-hmm.
Speaker:Of the river.
Speaker:Because the total initial reported deaths for this was around 1600.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I think there's like 1200 that they never, like, probably never
Speaker:identified or just went down.
Speaker:And then there's more that even died after they even got to shore Again.
Speaker:Think about it.
Speaker:All these men that are just sick can barely, barely walk and move, let alone
Speaker:try to swim out of an icy cold river.
Speaker:And so that 1600 number is what puts it above the Titanic and above.
Speaker:The USS Arizona.
Speaker:And then I think the 1200, if I remember correctly is what actually the book
Speaker:author, and we'll mention him here in just a little bit that we met at the
Speaker:museum mentioned, died, kind of that, that night going down with the ship.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And so, like Scott said about this 1200 who went down with
Speaker:the ship, almost all of them.
Speaker:Were unidentified.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Because they would strip themselves of their clothes because they're wearing
Speaker:these wool uniforms and it's pulling on water and they strip themselves of their
Speaker:clothes, and then they just don't have the strength to swim and they're freezing.
Speaker:And so when their bodies are found, there's nothing to identify them.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And even if they did have their uniforms on them, very few put tags and things.
Speaker:So a lot of the men who were identified.
Speaker:Or like Scott said, they survived the initial explosion.
Speaker:They survived being pulled outta the water, yet they died subsequently in
Speaker:Memphis or other places later, but they were able to give their name.
Speaker:And so that's how a lot of the men who are identified, which is a
Speaker:small percentage were identified.
Speaker:We have a few men who wash ashore, and Ely is one of them.
Speaker:And that's the person we talk about with the author.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Lieutenant John Ely.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:From the Ohio.
Speaker:He had.
Speaker:A personal diary on him and his personal diary is what kind of gives you some
Speaker:insight to the life of a soldier?
Speaker:A life of a prisoner of war.
Speaker:And they identified him by his name and, and who he was.
Speaker:And so other soldiers sometimes had name tags of their uniforms
Speaker:sewn into their uniforms.
Speaker:That was another way, but again.
Speaker:Ely was pulled out of the water like a week later.
Speaker:So you can imagine the body is very hard to identify a week after
Speaker:it's been in the water for so long.
Speaker:So those other distinguishing factors like a diary or a tag would be
Speaker:what they used at at the Civil War.
Speaker:There's no dog tags at this time.
Speaker:There was no dog tags right during the Civil War.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:They don't have anything like that
Speaker:to use.
Speaker:Now this happened on the evening of April 26th, 1865.
Speaker:So
Speaker:it's the early morning of the 27th, 2:00 AM early, early
Speaker:morning of the 27th.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:And then later that day or the next day, what kind of world famous
Speaker:event happened that overshadowed what would've made headlines here?
Speaker:So John Wilkes Booth is killed.
Speaker:He's caught, and he's killed
Speaker:he's, he's shot and he on the Garrett Farm.
Speaker:On the Garrett Farm.
Speaker:And so that headline makes April
Speaker:26th.
Speaker:April 26th.
Speaker:So the day before.
Speaker:So it actually happened the day before.
Speaker:So when the news finally got out, it was, he was already the headline of
Speaker:the news and that dominated everything.
Speaker:And so this kind of got buried.
Speaker:Well below the death of John Wilkes Booth.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:'cause that if you can, we talked about John Wilkes booth four and the manhunt.
Speaker:So the two week manhunt that's going on to catch him, it's
Speaker:not quite two weeks, but yeah,
Speaker:there's a huge reward out on him.
Speaker:And so they caught him, they killed him, and now they're doing like the
Speaker:autopsy and, and everything surrounding how they caught him in trial.
Speaker:That's kitten.
Speaker:That's getting all the headlines.
Speaker:So the Sultana gets so buried and.
Speaker:Because all of these men were, again, unidentified.
Speaker:Their families didn't even know if they had survived.
Speaker:Their families didn't even know to look for them.
Speaker:So it was one of those things that it just gets so lost in history.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That that's why.
Speaker:Memphis has the second most unidentified civil war graves of any other place in
Speaker:the United States because of the Sultana.
Speaker:And these men still haven't been identified.
Speaker:These families never knew what happened to their sons, and they
Speaker:thought maybe they died in battle.
Speaker:They had no idea they were on this Sultana, no idea they were making it home.
Speaker:No idea.
Speaker:They almost got home.
Speaker:And Ely is a great example of that because even writes in his diary,
Speaker:will Next Christmas, find me at home?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:With my friends and family, right?
Speaker:And no, like all of these men who survived a prisoner of war camp couldn't
Speaker:survive sailing up the Mississippi.
Speaker:Now obviously you, for those who listen to the to the podcast
Speaker:regularly, know that we like to go and visit these historic locations.
Speaker:That's typically the primary driver for what we do.
Speaker:Here.
Speaker:Basically everything that we cover on the show outside of interviews and movies
Speaker:and stuff like that, we've gone to a location, that historic location, so
Speaker:it's you can't really go to where the Sultana sank because the Mississippi
Speaker:has shifted its course over the years.
Speaker:But you can go to the Sultana Disaster Museum again.
Speaker:We, as we mentioned earlier, in Marion, Arkansas, and that
Speaker:they're actually just got a, a. A bunch of money donated to them.
Speaker:They're, they're moving to a much better, much nicer location.
Speaker:And I think it wasn't it as like Sean Aston the actor.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, so he, I think he's either involved or helped donate some
Speaker:money or something like that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So he's big involved in the charity for the museum, so.
Speaker:So think Rudy, Rudy, think Lord of the Rings.
Speaker:He loves the story, he loves the His story.
Speaker:He, he likes the story of it.
Speaker:So think he was in Stranger Things.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:For, for our younger audience.
Speaker:He was the, he was the, not the stepdad, but like the boyfriend.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Who like sacrificed himself in season one or two.
Speaker:Spoiler alert.
Speaker:But so he actually I think helped invest mm-hmm.
Speaker:Or has been helping the Sultana Disaster Museum.
Speaker:And I think we're gonna try to go to their new opening.
Speaker:In April of 26.
Speaker:March, April of 26 is what they said?
Speaker:Yeah, I think it might be.
Speaker:They had pushed it back.
Speaker:It was supposed to be September, October 25, but they pushed it back to 26.
Speaker:But just so you know, the museum opened in . 2015, and it's because in 1982, they found
Speaker:remnants of the Sultana in a soybean farm.
Speaker:So I always stress this on the Mississippi and Mississippi has
Speaker:changed course and has changed course significantly since the Civil War.
Speaker:So much so that the area where the Sultana sank is now.
Speaker:All land and a farm.
Speaker:A soybean farm.
Speaker:So in this soybean farm, they found wood burn, wood remnants.
Speaker:And they found the boilers.
Speaker:They found remnants of the boilers.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:They
Speaker:actually, they, they found some of the boilers
Speaker:and they've dug.
Speaker:That's so cool.
Speaker:They dug, they dug it up.
Speaker:And so the.
Speaker:Museum opened in 2015 and it's a great little museum, but it can't house all of
Speaker:these bigger artifacts that they've found.
Speaker:They have a really great depiction of the ship.
Speaker:Yeah, like a model, so you can really see what the sultana looked like.
Speaker:They tell great stories.
Speaker:They have lists of men that perished.
Speaker:They have a lot of artifacts from those men including an
Speaker:alligator that was on board.
Speaker:It's actually, it's one of those things like, I think.
Speaker:It deserves the location, the new location that it's moving to, because
Speaker:it, they have so many artifacts there.
Speaker:And there were some survivors and there were people identified.
Speaker:So they have pictures of people who are on the Sultana because they did
Speaker:identify some, some who made it out.
Speaker:But it deserves this new location.
Speaker:'cause right now it's a, in a, in a pretty small little building, tucked around.
Speaker:But when we went there, there were still people coming and visiting.
Speaker:We met people, mm-hmm.
Speaker:A two gals that were.
Speaker:Driving up up to Michigan, stuff like that.
Speaker:And there, there's a fair amount of people that are still seeking this spot out.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it's gonna be in a new state of the art permanent museum.
Speaker:They took the old gymnasium of the Marion high school and they
Speaker:re renovated it into the museum.
Speaker:So it's gonna have a great space.
Speaker:And again, it's only like maybe 15 minutes from Memphis.
Speaker:So if you want to drive that iconic.
Speaker:Memphis Bridge, right?
Speaker:If you're, if you're visiting the Memphis area and you wanna drive
Speaker:across the Mississippi, you can drive across that iconic Memphis Bridge
Speaker:and go and visit Marion Arkansas.
Speaker:This is a great little spot to go, do an afternoon visit.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:And if you wanna like learn more about the greatest maritime
Speaker:disaster in American history.
Speaker:This is waiting for you.
Speaker:It's, there's a lot of like historical markers to the Sultana.
Speaker:There's one in Memphis, of course, there's one in Vicksburg.
Speaker:We saw the one in Vicksburg.
Speaker:There's one in Ohio because a lot of the men were from the 115th Ohio.
Speaker:There's one in Knoxville, there's one in Michigan.
Speaker:So it's just honoring the men.
Speaker:A lot of these regiments represented, but in the aftermath there was
Speaker:a lot of lack of accountability.
Speaker:They tried, so you have to realize the captain of the Sultana died.
Speaker:He was last seen helping people to get off the ship.
Speaker:He was last seen trying to save as many survivors as he could so he
Speaker:could never be held accountable.
Speaker:He's.
Speaker:Killed in the disaster.
Speaker:When you talk about hatch, who worked up the scheme, he to avoid a court martial he
Speaker:acquits the military as quick as possible.
Speaker:He quits service, avoids course martial and goes into hiding.
Speaker:They tried to make a Captain Frederick speed.
Speaker:He was a union officer who sent the 1900 parole visitors to Vicksburg
Speaker:and that they tried to charge him.
Speaker:And then the judge advocate general overturned it because speed
Speaker:was at the parole camp all day.
Speaker:He was not personally involved.
Speaker:He was just sending the prisoners out saying, here, go on the ship.
Speaker:Go on the ship.
Speaker:And then they have a Captain, George Augustus Williams, he had
Speaker:placed men on board and was a Army officer, but the military refused
Speaker:to go after one of their own.
Speaker:So he was never held accountable either.
Speaker:And then you got Captain Mason of the Sultana.
Speaker:Like I said, he ultimately died.
Speaker:So in the end, no one was ever held responsible for this greatest
Speaker:deadliest maritime disaster in the United States history.
Speaker:And I think that also.
Speaker:Goes in line.
Speaker:'cause there was no public outcry to hold someone responsible because the
Speaker:public really didn't know about it.
Speaker:And so it's the end of the Civil War people who.
Speaker:To have no idea that their family members are even in a confederate prisoner of war
Speaker:camp, just figured that they had died, had no idea to even fight for justice
Speaker:for their, for their family member.
Speaker:So that's what makes this all the more sad.
Speaker:And then as a historian and people who love to tell history,
Speaker:their story was lost to history.
Speaker:And so that's what we find.
Speaker:So important to have to get out and tell this story.
Speaker:'cause it's so fascinating.
Speaker:It's so interesting.
Speaker:It's how this perfect storm comes together to create the greatest
Speaker:disaster that no one knows about.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so we just want you guys to know about it.
Speaker:Find out more, visit the museum.
Speaker:And if you have any questions for us and you wanna know more about this, please
Speaker:leave a comment or something like that.
Speaker:Let us know if you knew about this.
Speaker:And, and what we can do today to honor the men of the Sultana and their lives
Speaker:and what they gave to this country.
Speaker:The Sultana disaster is still the largest maritime disaster in American history that
Speaker:almost no one knows about no one but you.
Speaker:You know that in April of 1865, this Steamboat left New Orleans
Speaker:and traveled north, picking up thousands of soldiers hoping to
Speaker:get home after the end of the war.
Speaker:You also know that not long after the Sultana left Memphis, the
Speaker:rocking of the ship overloaded the boilers causing them to explode.
Speaker:Sinking one of the fastest Steamboats on the river and claiming
Speaker:more lives than the Titanic.
Speaker:And our history lovers out there now have that dinnertime.
Speaker:Trivia question, if the Civil War era topic ever comes up,
Speaker:why isn't the Sultana disaster?
Speaker:Better known?
Speaker:It was overshadowed by the news of the death of John Wilkes Booth.
Speaker:News that swept the globe and buried this Sultana disaster in the
Speaker:murky depths of the Mississippi.
Speaker:If you wanna experience this history firsthand and see artifacts from the
Speaker:Sultana, get to the Memphis area, drive that iconic Memphis Bridge
Speaker:across the Mississippi, and stop by the new and improved Sultana
Speaker:Disaster Museum in Marion, Arkansas.
Speaker:We'll talk to you next time.
Speaker:Thank you.