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I want you to walk back in time with me and imagine we are deckhand on a

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Mississippi Steamboat in the 1860s.

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April, 1865.

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The Mississippi Air was thick, not just with humidity, but with the thousands of

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union soldiers crammed onto the Sultana.

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As a deckhand, I'd seen our steamer full, but this was different.

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They were fresh from Confederate prisons, eager for home, their hope.

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Palpable.

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I was in the engine room feeling the boiler's familiar thrombin when it hit,

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not a shutter, but a sudden deafening roar, a blinding flash, scalding steam,

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and debris tore through the deck.

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Above the sound was a metallic shriek, followed by the screams.

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The ship lurched violently.

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I scrambled out, choking on smoke eyes stinging.

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A ship was tearing apart her wooden hole, no match for the blast.

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Orange flames raced across the decks where men had just been singing panic erupted.

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Soldiers many two weak to swim, lept, or were thrown into the frigid water.

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Screams for help for God, for mothers were everywhere.

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Men disappeared into the churning water swallowed by debris and flames.

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The Mississippi usually so gentle, became a hungry monster.

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That night, I grabbed a floating crate, my lungs, burning muscles

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screaming from the cold water.

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The strong current pulled us downstream away from the burning wreck.

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Looking back, the sultana was a fiery inferno, a jagged burning

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skeleton against the now orange sky.

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The noise faded, replaced by the chilling cries of survivors in the water.

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We drifted, numb and shivering watching our world burn as we drifted away.

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The sun rose later painting the sky with bright colors that felt

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so at odds with the darkness below.

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Welcome to talk with History.

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I'm your host Scott here with my wife and historian Jen.

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Alright Jen, so the Sultana disaster, this is something that some people,

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a lot of people, especially, you know here in America right,

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have probably may have heard of.

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But I would say most folks don't know about, but this is the largest

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American maritime disaster ever, period.

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Yeah, I would say most people don't know about it.

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I would say when I bring up the Sultana with most people, it's

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really history buffs who might know it, but most your average everyday

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person have no idea where the average everyday person knows the Titanic.

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Or they know about the USS Arizona.

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But they do not know about the Sultana.

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And so yes, this is the greatest maritime disaster in American history

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happened during the Civil War.

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And and most people don't know about it 'cause it was overshadowed

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by another major historical event.

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Yep.

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And that historical event is probably something everybody knows about as well.

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So it's understandable why people don't know about this, but it's sad because.

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These victims have been forgotten then because of that and because they, they're

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like literally forgotten because the most unknown Civil War soldiers the

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second most is in Memphis, Tennessee.

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And it's because of this disaster.

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And so it's one of those things that it.

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Could benefit from more research, it could benefit from people digging in

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and learning more about these men.

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But unfortunately it's just so unknown that it just needs more

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awareness to the average everyday person and history in general.

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Now, when you say it happened during the Civil War, it, I think it

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technically happened like right after the Civil War was technically over,

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like literally the war had just ended.

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Yes.

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And we're, I know we're gonna get into the details.

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The war had just ended a couple thousand prisoners ish.

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Are released from prisons down down south and are getting brought back north.

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So tell us Yeah.

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The surrounding events around this.

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Yeah, so like you said, it happens in April, 1865, so it's this

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big month of history, right?

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So yes, the surrender happens in April of 1865.

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Lincoln is assassinated.

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Yeah.

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April, 1865.

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Yeah.

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Appomattox was like April 9th or something like that.

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April 9th.

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Yeah.

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Then Lincoln then.

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This happens April 27th, 1865.

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So it's like this whole month is filled with these big historic

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events, and the first two are so huge it overshadows this third one.

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But yes, technically you're right, Scott.

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It's, it's, I would say civil war timeframe.

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Yeah.

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But not during this.

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It's, it's the aftermath of the Civil War.

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So like you talked about, it was a. The Sultana was a side wheel steamboat

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on the Mississippi River, and when we talk about the Mississippi River,

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it really is like the main highway of this, of the country at the time.

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railroads are really starting to find themselves being very important

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during this time, but the Mississippi has held its its importance.

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Yeah.

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Before the Civil War.

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After the Civil War, and because that is so important when Vicksburg falls,

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it really is like the end of the Civil War because now the union controls

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the Mississippi and that is this vital vein through the entire of America.

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Yeah, and actually when I had originally written my intro with

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this kind of story there, I had written it that the characters.

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Mm-hmm.

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Us were actually kind of didn't, didn't know what side they were on.

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They just knew that business was busy.

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Yeah.

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Because the Mississippi was important, whether you were in the

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south, whether you're in the north.

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Mm-hmm.

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And most likely, I would guess a lot of these Steamboats were

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probably operating within, I wouldn't say with impunity 'cause it.

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'cause it sounds like, they don't care what side they're on, but I would

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imagine they were busy regardless of who was controlling what port.

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So commerce, right?

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Yeah.

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It's so important to trade and so it's vital to the north and the south.

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It's vital to the economics of the north and south.

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That's why when the North finally controls it, they can control how much.

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Supplies are getting to the south.

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And so they're not letting that happen.

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And the north is taking all the supplies.

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So the people who are operating on the Mississippi, yes, they're still

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holding allegiances to one side or the other, but they're still, overall,

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their motivation is the dollar money.

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And so much so the Sultana is known as the fastest ship on the

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Mississippi, and we talk about.

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In the video why that is, it's, it just has made the fastest voyage

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from Cairo to new Orleans, and that's how they measured that.

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And so it gets to have the antlers between, its two smokestacks and that is

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a symbol for everybody on the Mississippi, that if you wanna trade your goods or get

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your goods to the major ports, new Orleans this ship will get it there the fastest.

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And it was really neat because.

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We'll talk about the museum that we went to in Marion, Arkansas.

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That is the Sultana Disaster Museum.

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That's actually getting a new location, new, new, improved location.

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One of the docents there, she taught us about the antlers, which

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I, we thought was really neat.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I believe like they even would race, and I don't know if they were like

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actually sitting side by side racing, but they were just like, who can make

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the fastest trip up, up, and down?

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And then, then they would get these antlers because if you didn't know

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that factor, you'd be like, why are there these random antlers

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strung between the smokestacks?

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Mm-hmm.

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So they're actually strung between the smokestacks.

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And if you look, and for those watching the video, I'll put

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up a picture of the Sultana.

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You can actually see a pair of antlers strung between the two smokestacks of

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the Sultana indicating that they had.

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That they were currently, they had won the recent fastest time

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or whatever that was Right.

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They're the Millennium Falcon of them.

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Yeah.

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So it's a side wheel Steamboat and like I talked to before on the

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video and side, so Steamboats come in like three different variations.

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You got the paddle wheel in the back, which is a lot what people think of when

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they think of paddle wheels or, or, or.

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It's wheel driven ships on the Mississippi, but a side wheel, the

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Sultana has a side wheel on each side of the ship and not as big as a, as a

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stern wheel would be split the side.

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But the neat thing about a side wheel is one wheel can move forward.

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One wheel can move in reverse, and it can really maneuvered the ship a lot more.

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Easily to get it close to the sides of the riverbank, which is what the

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Mississippi is doing because it's pulling into these ports right on the side.

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And so it can really get close in to get loaded on and off.

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And so the versatility of how you can maneuver that ship

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made a side wheel so much more

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advantageous for Mississippi Travel.

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And then you have an internal wheel.

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So those are the three different kinds.

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You have a stern wheel, you have side wheels, internal wheel.

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Internal wheel is inside the ship.

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You don't really see it from the outside.

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That one is not as used as much because it's dangerous.

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If you ever have traveled on the Mississippi, we, I have extensively

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you get a lot of trees that will.

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Wash off and tro down the Mississippi.

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If it's pulled into a internal wheel, it really does damage inside the ship.

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And so they really didn't use those as much.

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But those are the three types of wheeled boats, ships you

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would see along the Mississippi.

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But Sultana a side wheel now it's built in 1863, so it's not a very old ship.

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Oh, I didn't realize that when you think about this, didn't realize that.

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Yeah.

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And it's really intended for this lower Mississippi trade,

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so it really has made its name.

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Doing a regular route between St. Louis and New Orleans, and

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it has a crew capacity of 376.

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Remember that because this is gonna be its downfall.

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Now it's first launched in January of 1863 and like I said,

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it's, it's about 260 feet long.

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It's 42 feet wide, and two side mounted paddle wheels driven by four.

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Fire tube boilers.

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So those boilers make a difference too.

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So think tube boiler per wheel, per side.

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And when we talk about the boilers, they're 18 feet long and they

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contain 25 24 or five inch flutes.

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They're kind of like, hold the water and boil it.

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And that's where you're getting the steam and that's how you're driving these ships.

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So, think about.

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How this is all working together.

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'cause this is all gonna be the downfall of this ship.

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So what happens this, these events, like you said, the Civil War,

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the surrender happens April 9th.

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The Sultana finds itself in.

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St. Louis.

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On April 15th, right after the president's been assassinated.

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That's right.

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And it gets, and the captain, and we have Captain James Ka.

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Cass Mason is just informed of the assassination of the president.

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So he runs out and gets as many newspapers as he can to get the

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information down to New Orleans.

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'cause he knows he's the fastest ship on the Mississippi.

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They drape the ship in morning cloth, which they buy.

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Lots of black cloth and they drape the ship in morning cloth.

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'cause that's also like a symbol and a message they can send as

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they go down the Mississippi.

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Think a lot of people still aren't literate at this time.

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That's why the antlers are such a symbol for everyone to

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understand what that means.

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Draping a ship in morning cloth is also a great symbol for the nation to see along

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this massive highway of America that.

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Our president has been assassinated.

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That's,

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I mean, that's how they got the news out, that that's, that's also part

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of the reason, after Lincoln was assassinated, that they, I think.

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Probably a small part of the reason why they took the long train route Yep.

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To get him back, to Illinois where he was eventually interred was to

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let the nation see and get the news that way, to believe that this is

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something that actually happened.

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Sure.

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Because there's no television.

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And the people wanna mourn as a nation.

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And so the train route is so significant and so is this Mississippi?

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Yep.

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Water route.

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So Captain Mason does his job.

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I would say as a, as a, a leader on the Mississippi, he is taking the news

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from St. Louis down to New Orleans.

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He leaves St. Louis, April 13th, 1865, bound for.

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New Orleans on the morning of April 15th, he's tied up in Cairo when the

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word reaches that Lincoln has been shot.

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So it's the 15th when he hears the information in Cairo even though

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he leaves from St. Louis on the 13th, and that's when he gets an r

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load of the newspapers from Cairo and Heads South to spend the news.

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Now he hits Vicksburg first and in Vicksburg, he talks to a Captain

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Reuben Hatch, the chief quartermaster at Vicksburg with a proposal.

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So they know union prisoners of war are gonna be released,

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people are gonna be pardoned.

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They're coming from Cahaba that is a confederate prisoner of war camp in Selma.

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And they're coming from Andersonville that's a very famous Confederate

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prisoner of war camp in Atlanta, Georgia.

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And they know that.

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Those paroled soldiers are gonna be hit in Vicksburg and they're gonna

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wanna be going back home, back north.

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And the US government would pay $2 and 75 cents per enlisted man and $8 per officer.

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So they come to an understanding.

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Knowing Mason needs money, hatch suggested that he could give him a

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load of about a thousand prisoners.

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Now, bear in mind it's gonna be loaded with almost double of that.

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Yeah.

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And and and they're only supposed to have like 360 ish.

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Yes.

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And only if Mason would agree to give Hatch a kickback.

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So he agrees to Hatch's off where he's like, yes, let's do this.

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And then he leaves Burg.

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Heading down to New Orleans.

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So they have this plan in place, right?

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Because Hatch knows the prisoners are gonna be coming to Vicksburg.

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He'll hold them there.

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He'll wait until the Sultana makes its way back up north after hitting

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New Orleans with all the news.

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And then they have this plan already worked out, so they don't even have

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to talk about it when they come back.

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So this is already understood.

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Before they even load on the prisoners and before they even hit

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Vicksburg to get the prisoners.

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So it's an understood agreement.

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Yeah.

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I don't think I realized that it had been that.

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That's set up by, by the, the, the players, the ship's

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captain and some other folks.

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Yes.

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So they leave Vicksburg, they're they're down in New Orleans.

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They disperse all the newspapers.

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They disperse the news, and they leave New Orleans on April 21st,

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and they have about 70 cabin and deck passengers and some livestock.

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So there's about.

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70 paying passengers on board too.

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So again, legal capacity, 376 85, crew 70 paid passengers, and

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so they have about 150 people.

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As they hit Vicksburg to get loaded up.

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Wow.

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So, but what happens is about 10 hours south of Vicksburg, before

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they even hit Vicksburg, one of their four boilers springs a leak.

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Oh.

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So they already have a boiler.

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Issue.

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Okay.

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Before they even get to Vicksburg.

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So that's before later on when things start getting outta

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outta whack as far as balance.

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'cause there's too many people.

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Yes.

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So these say, think of these boilers are already handicapped.

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So it's when they get to Vicksburg that they.

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Get a boiler repair, and it's just like a quick fix.

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It's not a new boiler to replace everything they're taking and a boiler

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is under mass amount of pressure and heat, and they're just repairing

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this boiler, which they're gonna put a lot of stress on this boiler.

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So this is, this is the whole issue by why, why this happens.

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It wasn't like they had four great working boilers as they're leaving Vicksburg.

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They have three great working boilers and one that's severely.

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Incapacitated.

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Well, and if you think about it and, and we call this a Sultana disaster, right?

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And we know from the intro that, that the, one of the, one of the boilers, if not

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a couple explode, but they're putting, think, if you think about just total load

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that this, the boilers are designed to handle, which is less than 400 people.

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Yeah.

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And they end up with what, like over 2000 on board?

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Yeah.

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At, at the end of the day when everyone's loaded on board, it's 21, 27.

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So they're putting like.

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700% more

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mm-hmm.

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Than, stress and effort and all the stuff on these boilers.

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So that's interesting about the leak and like the repair.

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Yeah.

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So when you think about four boilers, and they're supposed to have 376 people, each

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boiler handles less than a hundred people.

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When they load on 2,127, each boiler's gonna handle over 500 people, right?

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So, like you said, yeah, like they're taxing these boilers

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way outside of their capacity.

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Plus you have one that's just been repaired.

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So this is where the whole issue starts.

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So they reach Vicksburg on the 23rd.

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Yep.

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And and they start to load people on.

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And like I said, they get, they had just gotten all those release prisoners

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from those two Confederate of prisoner of war camps, and they load on.

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They believe that they're loading on less than 1500.

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In actuality, they load on 1,950 paroled prisoners.

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So like they had made the deal for a thousand, right?

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They double that 'cause they're just not paying attention.

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They're not checking.

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And then 22 guards from the 58th Ohio volunteer.

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You got the 70 paying passengers from New Orleans and you have the 85 crew members.

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That's a total of 2,127 when it can only hold.

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Three hundred and seventy six, that's 1800 people over the capacity of the ship and.

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I show you this picture that they take on April 26th.

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So they leave the night of April 24th.

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They make their way up the Mississippi.

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And on April 26th, they stop in Helena, Arkansas, where a photographer took

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a picture of the overcrowded vessel.

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And I show that.

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On the video.

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That's kind, that's like the famous one.

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They have it like all blown up.

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So if you go to the Sultana Disaster Museum in Marion, Arkansas, which is

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only like, what, 20 minutes from Memphis?

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Oh yeah.

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It's just across the bridge.

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It's might might be 15 minutes.

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So if you're in the Memphis area, definitely go visit.

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But they, they have it blown up.

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And what they point out is what you're gonna talk about is like

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how the smoke stacks look different and, and that's indicated by all the

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people being on one side of the ship.

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For this picture.

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Yeah.

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So everyone comes over to the landside 'cause the photographer is setting

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up there to take this photograph.

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Well, you have 1800 people over capacity all going to one side of a ship.

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And if you know anything about ships like Scott and I do, balance is everything.

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. And so it's gonna list

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and, and, and these and these river borne.

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Ships and boats and stuff like that, they don't have a deep draft.

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So it's, it's the center of gravity, which is what's really important on

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a ship, is much higher for these, these boats that are on the river.

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And so when you have all of these and you, I'll show the picture for

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the, for those watching the video, when you have all these, these men

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going to one side of the ship, that center of gravity is gonna start.

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Rocking the ship over towards where the picture is on the landside.

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Yeah.

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And like Scott said, riverboats not gonna have a high draft because it's shallower.

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The Mississippi gets very shallow in certain places, especially closer in

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towards land, towards different ports.

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And so it doesn't, it can't have a high draft, so center gravity is higher.

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The more decks you put on a steamship, the higher it gets.

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And when you bring people over, it starts to list so much so that the captain

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was worried it was going to to flip.

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Yeah.

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Capsize.

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And so.

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You can tell in the picture I show you one smoke stack is letting off

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smoke and the other is letting off.

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Nothing that lets you know that the boilers are unbalanced.

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There's water in one and there's not water in another, and so you're not

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having anything to burn, essentially.

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So no steam is coming out and you can, it's so evident in the picture.

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You can also see the listing.

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You can see where it's leaning into the water more and.

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They just get the picture as quick as they can and they get the men

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to move over to the other side.

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Now the ship is also like bowing in certain areas, and bowing is like the,

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the floors are bending down and so they're taking wooden planks and pushing

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up the floors of the, like the third, second deck, third dead fork, death

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to hold the people up so they know.

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They have more people than they should have.

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They should

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dump like half of 'em at Memphis.

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I know.

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So this happens on the 26th, this photograph is taken and

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Scott will show the photograph.

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You can even still see the antlers in the picture of the photograph.

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Yeah.

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It's super cool to see.

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And that's taken in Helena, Arkansas and that they're gonna

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arrive in Memphis at 7:00 PM.

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On the 26th and they're gonna unload 120 tons of sugar, which is gonna

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help, and then 200 men get off.

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So, whew.

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Those men really do help.

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And then she, then she's just gonna go a short distance up the

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river and take on some coal about 1:00 AM and then it's 2:00 AM.

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On April 27th, 1865, about seven miles north of Memphis,

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the boilers suddenly explode.

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It kills people instantly, and then all everyone else goes into the water.

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Yeah, and, and one of the things, and.

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I know a smidge about steam stuff because my first ship in the Navy

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was still a steam ship, right?

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The Navy has used Steam works well.

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Steam Power works very, very well.

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And so the Navy still has some steam ships out there.

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In my first, as the tarawa where actually where you and I met.

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And that was a steam ship.

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Now, I was not an engineer on that ship, so I didn't learn as much as others.

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But one of the things that you're looking for is balance across the boilers.

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You don't want to put a sudden drastic change on one

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boiler because think about it.

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All of a sudden you put a bunch of water in there.

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If there's all these men that are making the ship rock back and forth and making

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things out of balance, well, if one boiler is taking a heavy load, the other

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one is getting super hot, but it's not burning anything, and then all of a sudden

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if the water shifts over, that's gonna cause a sudden amount of water, heat, and

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steam that will all of a sudden expand.

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Think about heat, right?

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Heat expands and that can cause an already weakened or already.

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Recently fixed, quote unquote boiler to potentially explode.

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And that is most likely what happened with this because

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things were so out of balance.

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They were so heavy, the boilers just couldn't handle the load.

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They were so overstressed, and that is most likely one of the things that caused.

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The explosion.

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And so you have people who die instantly, but you have all of these weakened

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prisoners of war going into the water and all the wood is catching on fire.

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Yeah.

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And, and you gotta think about it too.

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It's still, it's April and the Mississippi will still get pretty cold.

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Yes.

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So it's still spring.

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And so it's not like they're falling into this warm, lukewarm water

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where they can just float to shore.

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I mean, it's, I don't, if it's not icy, it probably feels like that to these

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men who were already very, very sickly.

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If you've ever seen pictures of prisoners of war that left was it

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cahaba and what was the other one?

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Andersonville.

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Andersonville.

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I mean, they are emaciated beyond belief.

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It's, it's disturbing some of the, the pictures that are out there.

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So men like that falling into the water.

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Just literally don't have the strength to try and fight and swim their way to shore.

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Yeah.

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They were so weakened.

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They ran outta strength.

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They cling, they, they would clinging to each other, but

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whole groups went down together.

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Yep.

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And so the, the Sultana is burning and they realized, people in the area start to

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realize that this is happening about two 30, about half hour after the explosion.

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Boats go out to try to rescue the survivors.

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So at the same time, dozens people have floated down river and they're

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beginning to float past Memphis.

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They're calling for help.

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And so you have ships going into the water to save people.

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But in the end, the casualties are about 1200.

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So 1200 people will die.

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And and then you're gonna have, it was like 2100, 1200 dies.

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And

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I, I wanna say like there's like another couple hundred that actually

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die, like after they get out mm-hmm.

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Of the river.

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Because the total initial reported deaths for this was around 1600.

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Yeah.

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So I think there's like 1200 that they never, like, probably never

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identified or just went down.

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And then there's more that even died after they even got to shore Again.

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Think about it.

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All these men that are just sick can barely, barely walk and move, let alone

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try to swim out of an icy cold river.

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And so that 1600 number is what puts it above the Titanic and above.

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The USS Arizona.

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And then I think the 1200, if I remember correctly is what actually the book

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author, and we'll mention him here in just a little bit that we met at the

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museum mentioned, died, kind of that, that night going down with the ship.

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Yes.

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And so, like Scott said about this 1200 who went down with

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the ship, almost all of them.

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Were unidentified.

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Yep.

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Because they would strip themselves of their clothes because they're wearing

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these wool uniforms and it's pulling on water and they strip themselves of their

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clothes, and then they just don't have the strength to swim and they're freezing.

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And so when their bodies are found, there's nothing to identify them.

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Yep.

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And even if they did have their uniforms on them, very few put tags and things.

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So a lot of the men who were identified.

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Or like Scott said, they survived the initial explosion.

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They survived being pulled outta the water, yet they died subsequently in

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Memphis or other places later, but they were able to give their name.

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And so that's how a lot of the men who are identified, which is a

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small percentage were identified.

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We have a few men who wash ashore, and Ely is one of them.

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And that's the person we talk about with the author.

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Yeah.

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Lieutenant John Ely.

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Mm-hmm.

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From the Ohio.

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He had.

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A personal diary on him and his personal diary is what kind of gives you some

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insight to the life of a soldier?

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A life of a prisoner of war.

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And they identified him by his name and, and who he was.

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And so other soldiers sometimes had name tags of their uniforms

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sewn into their uniforms.

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That was another way, but again.

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Ely was pulled out of the water like a week later.

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So you can imagine the body is very hard to identify a week after

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it's been in the water for so long.

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So those other distinguishing factors like a diary or a tag would be

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what they used at at the Civil War.

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There's no dog tags at this time.

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There was no dog tags right during the Civil War.

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So.

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They don't have anything like that

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to use.

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Now this happened on the evening of April 26th, 1865.

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So

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it's the early morning of the 27th, 2:00 AM early, early

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morning of the 27th.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then later that day or the next day, what kind of world famous

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event happened that overshadowed what would've made headlines here?

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So John Wilkes Booth is killed.

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He's caught, and he's killed

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he's, he's shot and he on the Garrett Farm.

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On the Garrett Farm.

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And so that headline makes April

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26th.

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April 26th.

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So the day before.

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So it actually happened the day before.

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So when the news finally got out, it was, he was already the headline of

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the news and that dominated everything.

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And so this kind of got buried.

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Well below the death of John Wilkes Booth.

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Yeah.

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'cause that if you can, we talked about John Wilkes booth four and the manhunt.

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So the two week manhunt that's going on to catch him, it's

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not quite two weeks, but yeah,

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there's a huge reward out on him.

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And so they caught him, they killed him, and now they're doing like the

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autopsy and, and everything surrounding how they caught him in trial.

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That's kitten.

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That's getting all the headlines.

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So the Sultana gets so buried and.

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Because all of these men were, again, unidentified.

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Their families didn't even know if they had survived.

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Their families didn't even know to look for them.

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So it was one of those things that it just gets so lost in history.

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Yeah.

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That that's why.

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Memphis has the second most unidentified civil war graves of any other place in

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the United States because of the Sultana.

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And these men still haven't been identified.

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These families never knew what happened to their sons, and they

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thought maybe they died in battle.

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They had no idea they were on this Sultana, no idea they were making it home.

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No idea.

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They almost got home.

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And Ely is a great example of that because even writes in his diary,

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will Next Christmas, find me at home?

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Yeah.

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With my friends and family, right?

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And no, like all of these men who survived a prisoner of war camp couldn't

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survive sailing up the Mississippi.

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Now obviously you, for those who listen to the to the podcast

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regularly, know that we like to go and visit these historic locations.

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That's typically the primary driver for what we do.

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Here.

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Basically everything that we cover on the show outside of interviews and movies

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and stuff like that, we've gone to a location, that historic location, so

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it's you can't really go to where the Sultana sank because the Mississippi

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has shifted its course over the years.

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But you can go to the Sultana Disaster Museum again.

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We, as we mentioned earlier, in Marion, Arkansas, and that

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they're actually just got a, a. A bunch of money donated to them.

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They're, they're moving to a much better, much nicer location.

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And I think it wasn't it as like Sean Aston the actor.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, so he, I think he's either involved or helped donate some

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money or something like that.

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Yeah.

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So he's big involved in the charity for the museum, so.

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So think Rudy, Rudy, think Lord of the Rings.

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He loves the story, he loves the His story.

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He, he likes the story of it.

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So think he was in Stranger Things.

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Yes.

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For, for our younger audience.

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He was the, he was the, not the stepdad, but like the boyfriend.

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Yeah.

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Who like sacrificed himself in season one or two.

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Spoiler alert.

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But so he actually I think helped invest mm-hmm.

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Or has been helping the Sultana Disaster Museum.

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And I think we're gonna try to go to their new opening.

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In April of 26.

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March, April of 26 is what they said?

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Yeah, I think it might be.

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They had pushed it back.

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It was supposed to be September, October 25, but they pushed it back to 26.

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But just so you know, the museum opened in . 2015, and it's because in 1982, they found

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remnants of the Sultana in a soybean farm.

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So I always stress this on the Mississippi and Mississippi has

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changed course and has changed course significantly since the Civil War.

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So much so that the area where the Sultana sank is now.

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All land and a farm.

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A soybean farm.

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So in this soybean farm, they found wood burn, wood remnants.

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And they found the boilers.

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They found remnants of the boilers.

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Oh.

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They

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actually, they, they found some of the boilers

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and they've dug.

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That's so cool.

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They dug, they dug it up.

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And so the.

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Museum opened in 2015 and it's a great little museum, but it can't house all of

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these bigger artifacts that they've found.

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They have a really great depiction of the ship.

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Yeah, like a model, so you can really see what the sultana looked like.

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They tell great stories.

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They have lists of men that perished.

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They have a lot of artifacts from those men including an

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alligator that was on board.

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It's actually, it's one of those things like, I think.

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It deserves the location, the new location that it's moving to, because

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it, they have so many artifacts there.

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And there were some survivors and there were people identified.

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So they have pictures of people who are on the Sultana because they did

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identify some, some who made it out.

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But it deserves this new location.

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'cause right now it's a, in a, in a pretty small little building, tucked around.

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But when we went there, there were still people coming and visiting.

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We met people, mm-hmm.

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A two gals that were.

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Driving up up to Michigan, stuff like that.

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And there, there's a fair amount of people that are still seeking this spot out.

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Yeah.

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And it's gonna be in a new state of the art permanent museum.

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They took the old gymnasium of the Marion high school and they

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re renovated it into the museum.

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So it's gonna have a great space.

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And again, it's only like maybe 15 minutes from Memphis.

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So if you want to drive that iconic.

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Memphis Bridge, right?

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If you're, if you're visiting the Memphis area and you wanna drive

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across the Mississippi, you can drive across that iconic Memphis Bridge

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and go and visit Marion Arkansas.

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This is a great little spot to go, do an afternoon visit.

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Absolutely.

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And if you wanna like learn more about the greatest maritime

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disaster in American history.

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This is waiting for you.

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It's, there's a lot of like historical markers to the Sultana.

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There's one in Memphis, of course, there's one in Vicksburg.

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We saw the one in Vicksburg.

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There's one in Ohio because a lot of the men were from the 115th Ohio.

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There's one in Knoxville, there's one in Michigan.

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So it's just honoring the men.

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A lot of these regiments represented, but in the aftermath there was

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a lot of lack of accountability.

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They tried, so you have to realize the captain of the Sultana died.

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He was last seen helping people to get off the ship.

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He was last seen trying to save as many survivors as he could so he

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could never be held accountable.

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He's.

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Killed in the disaster.

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When you talk about hatch, who worked up the scheme, he to avoid a court martial he

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acquits the military as quick as possible.

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He quits service, avoids course martial and goes into hiding.

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They tried to make a Captain Frederick speed.

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He was a union officer who sent the 1900 parole visitors to Vicksburg

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and that they tried to charge him.

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And then the judge advocate general overturned it because speed

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was at the parole camp all day.

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He was not personally involved.

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He was just sending the prisoners out saying, here, go on the ship.

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Go on the ship.

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And then they have a Captain, George Augustus Williams, he had

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placed men on board and was a Army officer, but the military refused

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to go after one of their own.

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So he was never held accountable either.

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And then you got Captain Mason of the Sultana.

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Like I said, he ultimately died.

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So in the end, no one was ever held responsible for this greatest

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deadliest maritime disaster in the United States history.

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And I think that also.

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Goes in line.

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'cause there was no public outcry to hold someone responsible because the

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public really didn't know about it.

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And so it's the end of the Civil War people who.

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To have no idea that their family members are even in a confederate prisoner of war

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camp, just figured that they had died, had no idea to even fight for justice

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for their, for their family member.

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So that's what makes this all the more sad.

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And then as a historian and people who love to tell history,

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their story was lost to history.

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And so that's what we find.

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So important to have to get out and tell this story.

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'cause it's so fascinating.

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It's so interesting.

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It's how this perfect storm comes together to create the greatest

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disaster that no one knows about.

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Yeah.

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And so we just want you guys to know about it.

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Find out more, visit the museum.

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And if you have any questions for us and you wanna know more about this, please

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leave a comment or something like that.

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Let us know if you knew about this.

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And, and what we can do today to honor the men of the Sultana and their lives

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and what they gave to this country.

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The Sultana disaster is still the largest maritime disaster in American history that

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almost no one knows about no one but you.

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You know that in April of 1865, this Steamboat left New Orleans

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and traveled north, picking up thousands of soldiers hoping to

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get home after the end of the war.

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You also know that not long after the Sultana left Memphis, the

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rocking of the ship overloaded the boilers causing them to explode.

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Sinking one of the fastest Steamboats on the river and claiming

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more lives than the Titanic.

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And our history lovers out there now have that dinnertime.

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Trivia question, if the Civil War era topic ever comes up,

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why isn't the Sultana disaster?

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Better known?

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It was overshadowed by the news of the death of John Wilkes Booth.

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News that swept the globe and buried this Sultana disaster in the

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murky depths of the Mississippi.

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If you wanna experience this history firsthand and see artifacts from the

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Sultana, get to the Memphis area, drive that iconic Memphis Bridge

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across the Mississippi, and stop by the new and improved Sultana

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Disaster Museum in Marion, Arkansas.

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We'll talk to you next time.

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Thank you.