1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:01,900 if there is one skill 2 00:00:01,900 --> 00:00:05,100 one thing that I've been on the most tumultuous 3 00:00:05,100 --> 00:00:08,500 crazy roller coaster ride journey on over the last god 4 00:00:08,500 --> 00:00:09,766 like 10 15 5 00:00:09,833 --> 00:00:11,200 probably even 20 years 6 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,300 it has been public speaking presenting 7 00:00:14,300 --> 00:00:15,433 standing in front of people 8 00:00:15,433 --> 00:00:18,066 like using your words and communication 9 00:00:18,066 --> 00:00:20,900 to inspire people to come along on a journey with you 10 00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:22,666 and as you'll know 11 00:00:22,666 --> 00:00:25,233 when you are in a position of leadership at work 12 00:00:25,233 --> 00:00:27,500 or just a position where you wanna influence 13 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:29,200 and inspire and kinda like yeah 14 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,766 bring people along on that journey 15 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:33,766 you you have to be good with public speaking 16 00:00:33,766 --> 00:00:38,000 with communication and I think there's a bit of a like 17 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,900 confidence gap with this in 18 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:41,766 and what I mean by confidence gap is 19 00:00:42,633 --> 00:00:44,866 it's the confidence that can hold us back 20 00:00:44,866 --> 00:00:47,133 so it's not always the skill 21 00:00:47,166 --> 00:00:48,366 it sometimes can be you know 22 00:00:48,366 --> 00:00:51,066 you might have the framework or the um 23 00:00:51,166 --> 00:00:53,000 system for doing something 24 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,200 but it's there's a gap there's a leap in between 25 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,900 having that framework and system 26 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,566 and that gap or leap is generally confidence 27 00:00:59,566 --> 00:01:01,400 and so in this episode 28 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,266 I am gonna take us all the way through 29 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,666 my journey of public speaking 30 00:01:05,666 --> 00:01:07,433 and how I've grown over the years 31 00:01:07,433 --> 00:01:09,300 I'm gonna give you some really 32 00:01:09,300 --> 00:01:12,366 solid skills that you can take away from this episode 33 00:01:12,366 --> 00:01:14,466 and some small kind of like hacks and habits 34 00:01:14,466 --> 00:01:17,200 as well as to how we improve our public speaking 35 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,966 and I don't mean standing up on a stage 36 00:01:19,966 --> 00:01:21,400 I mean we'll do that as well 37 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,166 these hacks will help you there as well 38 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:23,866 but I mean 39 00:01:23,866 --> 00:01:26,633 more sometimes like one on one conversations 40 00:01:26,633 --> 00:01:28,766 we need these skills for but you think about 41 00:01:28,766 --> 00:01:32,066 you know presenting what it could be online 42 00:01:32,066 --> 00:01:34,300 presenting in front of more senior people than you 43 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:35,666 it could be presenting to your team 44 00:01:35,666 --> 00:01:37,200 in that weekly team meeting 45 00:01:37,233 --> 00:01:39,600 it could be like standing in front of a boardroom 46 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,000 any of those things 47 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,866 this episode is gonna help you get more confident 48 00:01:43,866 --> 00:01:45,666 help you to overcome some of the anxiety 49 00:01:45,666 --> 00:01:46,800 that we all get all 50 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,933 some of the nervousness we all get around that 51 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:50,233 but then also give you some like 52 00:01:50,233 --> 00:01:51,633 really practical tools and 53 00:01:51,633 --> 00:01:53,466 and tricks and hacks that I've Learned over the years 54 00:01:53,466 --> 00:01:56,366 and now put into place in every single thing that I do 55 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,066 so welcome back to the boardroom 56 00:01:58,066 --> 00:01:59,900 we are now all the way at Episode 8 57 00:01:59,900 --> 00:02:02,200 the boardroom is a podcast where we open 58 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,633 the closed boardroom doors 59 00:02:03,633 --> 00:02:05,433 we really unearth some of those conversations 60 00:02:05,433 --> 00:02:05,833 that 61 00:02:05,833 --> 00:02:08,266 a lot of us never got the opportunity to be privy to 62 00:02:08,333 --> 00:02:10,633 and thank you for the reception of this podcast so far 63 00:02:10,633 --> 00:02:12,666 we've got thousands and thousands of you tuning in 64 00:02:12,666 --> 00:02:14,300 which is just unbelievable 65 00:02:14,366 --> 00:02:16,233 and we are still like I said 66 00:02:16,233 --> 00:02:18,100 a relatively small podcast right now 67 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:19,166 and it really helps 68 00:02:19,166 --> 00:02:22,600 if you would just subscribe and review 69 00:02:22,633 --> 00:02:23,800 reviewing the podcast 70 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,600 is one of the most helpful things you can do 71 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,466 for the algorithm and so yeah 72 00:02:27,466 --> 00:02:29,400 just review it whatever platform you're on 73 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:30,666 if you're listening on YouTube 74 00:02:30,666 --> 00:02:32,366 subscribe if you're listening on Spotify 75 00:02:32,366 --> 00:02:33,666 Apple follow along 76 00:02:33,666 --> 00:02:36,366 and we just can't wait to bring you even more of these 77 00:02:36,366 --> 00:02:37,500 and I'm so so glad you're here 78 00:02:37,500 --> 00:02:38,900 so let's get stuck into it 79 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:42,300 77% of people on planet earth have something called 80 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:43,400 glossophobia 81 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,300 now glossophobia is the fear of public speaking 82 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:49,300 it's a real true phobia I'm not really sure 83 00:02:49,300 --> 00:02:51,366 at what point we stop calling things phobias 84 00:02:51,366 --> 00:02:53,300 because I appreciate a phobia is a 85 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:53,900 is meant to be like 86 00:02:53,900 --> 00:02:56,833 a fear of something that can't actually harm you 87 00:02:56,833 --> 00:02:57,700 but you know 88 00:02:57,700 --> 00:02:59,900 it's real like it's a real fear and it's okay 89 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:01,766 it's a it's a real thing it's hard 90 00:03:01,766 --> 00:03:05,033 and so anyway 77% of people have glossophobia 91 00:03:05,033 --> 00:03:06,600 and now I'm gonna read off my phone for a sec 92 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,466 because I've just got some notes on 93 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:11,233 exactly what the key symptoms of glossophobia are 94 00:03:11,233 --> 00:03:13,100 and the reason I want to read these off my phone 95 00:03:13,166 --> 00:03:15,566 is so that you really deeply understand what this is 96 00:03:15,566 --> 00:03:18,166 cause I think it's so important to talk about 97 00:03:18,166 --> 00:03:19,266 before we go into you know 98 00:03:19,266 --> 00:03:20,266 like the tricks hacks 99 00:03:20,266 --> 00:03:23,233 whatever understanding that nervousness and anxiety 100 00:03:23,233 --> 00:03:24,733 and where it stems from 101 00:03:25,433 --> 00:03:27,833 cause it helps us to feel less alone 102 00:03:27,833 --> 00:03:30,266 I think it helps us to when we start to understand 103 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:32,500 we start to feel more control over it 104 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:36,233 so I'm gonna show you what Google says so glossophobia 105 00:03:36,233 --> 00:03:38,000 the key symptoms we've got four here 106 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,000 the first one is anticipatory anxiety 107 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:45,100 so the this is a symptom where days or hours before 108 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:46,800 you get that feeling of dread 109 00:03:46,833 --> 00:03:49,600 and it's so funny cause I remember this like so 110 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,666 so clearly when I did my first ever 111 00:03:51,666 --> 00:03:51,866 I think 112 00:03:51,866 --> 00:03:53,300 I've spoke to you guys on this podcast about this 113 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:56,666 before I did my first ever public speaking gig 114 00:03:56,666 --> 00:03:59,066 where I went to a conference and like stood on a stage 115 00:03:59,066 --> 00:04:00,100 it was a very small one 116 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:02,066 it was very kind of small controlled 117 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,366 but that was literally 118 00:04:04,366 --> 00:04:06,300 I couldn't sleep for days before 119 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:08,666 I went and hid in the toilet before I went on stage 120 00:04:08,666 --> 00:04:10,700 because I was like can I just get away 121 00:04:10,700 --> 00:04:12,033 you know like can I pretend I'm ill 122 00:04:12,033 --> 00:04:12,966 can I get out of this 123 00:04:12,966 --> 00:04:16,700 I remember that anticipatory anxiety so awful 124 00:04:17,033 --> 00:04:19,966 so clearly so the next one is physical distress 125 00:04:19,966 --> 00:04:21,200 I think you know 126 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,900 these are the symptoms that 127 00:04:23,466 --> 00:04:26,166 they really show up in how you present 128 00:04:26,166 --> 00:04:28,233 how you actually feel so things like it says here 129 00:04:28,233 --> 00:04:31,433 rapid heartbeat heavy sweating nausea trembling 130 00:04:31,433 --> 00:04:33,466 dry mouth all that oh my god 131 00:04:33,466 --> 00:04:35,100 it's just this is giving me a flashback to 132 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:37,500 just before my Tedx talk where I was like 133 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:40,000 really struggling to control those things 134 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,433 I was just shaking 135 00:04:41,433 --> 00:04:43,433 like my heart was literally pounding out my chest 136 00:04:43,433 --> 00:04:45,066 so you got that you've got the anxiety 137 00:04:45,066 --> 00:04:46,800 but you got the physical distress as well 138 00:04:48,566 --> 00:04:50,566 then we've got cognitive disruption 139 00:04:50,566 --> 00:04:51,500 so this is a symptom 140 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:53,900 and I think this is what a lot of people get fearful of 141 00:04:53,900 --> 00:04:55,200 is that symptom of like 142 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,400 I'm gonna freeze up I'm gonna you know 143 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:58,700 forget what I'm supposed to say 144 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:00,766 I'm gonna freeze up go completely blank 145 00:05:00,766 --> 00:05:02,033 and as we get further into this episode 146 00:05:02,033 --> 00:05:03,766 I'm gonna give you some tricks of how to kind of 147 00:05:03,766 --> 00:05:06,200 overcome that because this was a big one for me too 148 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,566 so like freezing going completely blank 149 00:05:08,566 --> 00:05:10,666 struggling to maintain a train of thought 150 00:05:10,666 --> 00:05:13,000 because obviously it's terrifying 151 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,033 and again just to go back to that Tedx talk 152 00:05:15,033 --> 00:05:18,266 like I so with a Tedx talk 153 00:05:18,266 --> 00:05:19,166 to give you guys some like 154 00:05:19,166 --> 00:05:21,766 behind the scenes info of how Tedx works 155 00:05:22,033 --> 00:05:25,800 you it it people say don't script it 156 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,400 but most of the Tedx talks are scripted 157 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,466 and it's very different to what you might consider 158 00:05:30,466 --> 00:05:32,100 like a script being nowadays 159 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:33,566 where you do a social media video 160 00:05:33,566 --> 00:05:35,200 or a lot of people script their podcasts 161 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,366 we absolutely don't 162 00:05:36,766 --> 00:05:38,733 where you're reading off a teleprompter 163 00:05:38,766 --> 00:05:41,400 that's not what Tedx is so when you do a Tedx talk 164 00:05:41,433 --> 00:05:44,066 it's scripted but you have to remember it 165 00:05:44,066 --> 00:05:46,866 so it's generally like 15 minutes of talking 166 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,800 and whilst most people 167 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,366 you won't like remember it word for word 168 00:05:51,366 --> 00:05:53,466 you will kind of have these maybe 15 169 00:05:53,466 --> 00:05:55,233 bullet points that you riff off 170 00:05:55,233 --> 00:05:56,966 over the course of the 15 minutes 171 00:05:57,100 --> 00:05:59,800 but you have to be so concise with what it is 172 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:00,433 you wanna say 173 00:06:00,433 --> 00:06:02,300 and obviously if you got 15 bullet points 174 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:03,800 you've only got 15 minutes 175 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,366 so you got one minute per bullet point 176 00:06:05,366 --> 00:06:06,700 you have to be like so clear 177 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:08,733 so concise and so that 178 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,400 taught me so much about the skill of inspiring 179 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,000 and public speaking and that talk 180 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,533 like now when I get booked for public speaking 181 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,000 everyone almost every single client 182 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,300 will reference that talk and be like 183 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:23,833 I watched your Tedx talk about Gen Z and here's like 184 00:06:23,833 --> 00:06:25,433 you know we wanna book you in for this 185 00:06:25,433 --> 00:06:26,400 can you do a different talk 186 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,100 can you do the same talk etcetera 187 00:06:28,466 --> 00:06:30,800 and so yeah that cognitive disruption 188 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,366 was really real for me at Tedx 189 00:06:32,366 --> 00:06:34,866 because if you imagine memorizing 190 00:06:34,866 --> 00:06:37,333 pretty much memorizing a 15 minute script 191 00:06:37,366 --> 00:06:39,800 that was fucking terrifying um 192 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,600 avoidance behaviour so just deliberately skipping it 193 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,966 like a lot of us might try and skip things 194 00:06:45,966 --> 00:06:47,866 calling sick maybe this happened at school like 195 00:06:47,866 --> 00:06:48,033 you know 196 00:06:48,033 --> 00:06:49,266 if you had to stand up and give a presentation 197 00:06:49,266 --> 00:06:52,033 at school but then the common causes 198 00:06:52,033 --> 00:06:53,566 like the underlying causes 199 00:06:53,566 --> 00:06:54,966 the things that actually cause this 200 00:06:54,966 --> 00:06:57,400 because we think that you know 201 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,600 standing on a stage you might be terrified 202 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,000 because you might forget what you're gonna say 203 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,966 or because you sort of fear 204 00:07:03,966 --> 00:07:05,500 what if I don't do it well enough 205 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:08,200 but the real causes are this underlying 206 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:11,466 fear of judgment so being like scrutinized 207 00:07:11,466 --> 00:07:12,500 feeling embarrassed 208 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:15,266 so if you think about missing a line you 209 00:07:15,266 --> 00:07:17,300 what you and I know that if we stood on a stage 210 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:19,400 if we're presenting to our team in a meeting 211 00:07:19,500 --> 00:07:22,300 no one cares if you just skip a word or two 212 00:07:22,366 --> 00:07:24,700 it's that underlying feeling of like oh 213 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:26,266 but they might not know what I'm doing 214 00:07:26,266 --> 00:07:28,566 or might think I don't know what I'm talking about 215 00:07:28,566 --> 00:07:30,100 and so we just really don't want to be rejected 216 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:32,000 or embarrassed past trauma 217 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 so having like a negative experience in the past 218 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:34,966 it could have been from school 219 00:07:34,966 --> 00:07:35,866 it could have been from family 220 00:07:35,866 --> 00:07:37,666 where you stood up to say something 221 00:07:37,666 --> 00:07:39,166 and it's not being received well 222 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,200 and brain chemistry like just tech 223 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,300 just truly science 224 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:46,100 like heightened activity in the amygdala 225 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,166 which is the brain's fear processing center 226 00:07:49,166 --> 00:07:52,600 will trigger an exaggerated fight or flight response 227 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,333 so these are like the underlying 228 00:07:54,366 --> 00:07:57,066 common causes of that glossophobia 229 00:07:57,533 --> 00:07:59,066 so what that all tells me is 230 00:07:59,066 --> 00:08:03,066 this isn't really about a fear of speaking necessarily 231 00:08:03,066 --> 00:08:05,833 it's this fear of being seen and being heard 232 00:08:05,833 --> 00:08:06,633 and you know 233 00:08:06,633 --> 00:08:08,000 that fear of being truly 234 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,700 authentically yourself in front of a group of people 235 00:08:10,766 --> 00:08:13,633 and someone judging you or it feeling embarrassing 236 00:08:13,633 --> 00:08:14,466 or you're not kind of 237 00:08:14,466 --> 00:08:15,600 living up to the picture 238 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,066 that you want to paint in their head 239 00:08:17,066 --> 00:08:19,433 and the reason that this conversation matters 240 00:08:19,433 --> 00:08:20,866 more than ever right now 241 00:08:20,866 --> 00:08:23,833 is managers more than ever 242 00:08:23,833 --> 00:08:26,966 are being expected to communicate things from above 243 00:08:26,966 --> 00:08:30,466 so if you if you think like pre pandemic generally 244 00:08:30,466 --> 00:08:31,600 if we were all in an office 245 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:32,233 like pre pandemic 246 00:08:32,233 --> 00:08:35,133 I know this is really hard to even think about now 247 00:08:35,166 --> 00:08:37,366 we barely used zoom 248 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,500 like if you were in a big corporate business 249 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:41,100 and you had maybe like 250 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:43,766 teams that were on different sides of the planet or 251 00:08:43,766 --> 00:08:45,566 you know in different offices across the country 252 00:08:45,766 --> 00:08:47,500 maybe you would use something like zoom 253 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:50,400 or teams to have video calls occasionally 254 00:08:50,766 --> 00:08:53,166 but in general like pre covid 255 00:08:53,166 --> 00:08:54,633 the mentality was you 256 00:08:54,633 --> 00:08:56,966 you were generally in the office with people 257 00:08:56,966 --> 00:08:57,833 like I remember 258 00:08:57,833 --> 00:09:00,633 the only thing we used to have zoom calls for was like 259 00:09:00,633 --> 00:09:03,566 client demos and really quick client demos 260 00:09:03,566 --> 00:09:04,633 and so it 261 00:09:04,633 --> 00:09:09,600 this kind of is a new phenomenon that middle managers 262 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,800 like you and I or business leaders 263 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,566 are expected to communicate strategy more than ever 264 00:09:15,566 --> 00:09:17,433 through the devices of like zoom 265 00:09:17,433 --> 00:09:19,166 give presentations over zoom 266 00:09:19,366 --> 00:09:19,966 and you know 267 00:09:19,966 --> 00:09:22,400 like previously you might have had say 268 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,600 if your business wanted to communicate strategy 269 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,866 you might have had the csuite 270 00:09:25,866 --> 00:09:28,133 or the CEO or whatever come into the room 271 00:09:28,333 --> 00:09:30,866 and they would have stood up in front of a meeting 272 00:09:30,866 --> 00:09:32,633 room of people and they would have communicated 273 00:09:32,633 --> 00:09:33,766 exactly what they were doing 274 00:09:33,766 --> 00:09:35,433 whether they were inspiring or not 275 00:09:35,433 --> 00:09:36,700 that's how it would have worked 276 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:37,233 now 277 00:09:37,233 --> 00:09:40,066 you've got these like matrix layers of communication 278 00:09:40,066 --> 00:09:41,900 whereby us you know 279 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:43,633 the middle managers the 280 00:09:43,633 --> 00:09:44,800 it maybe even senior leaders 281 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:45,966 cause they still are in the middle 282 00:09:45,966 --> 00:09:47,166 when you're in a corporate 283 00:09:47,666 --> 00:09:50,633 are expected to deliver presentations 284 00:09:50,633 --> 00:09:52,600 these like town halls you know 285 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,800 I remember at Sage we used to have like 286 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:55,900 I would sit on a panel 287 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:58,100 where we'd present to the whole Sage group 288 00:09:58,100 --> 00:09:59,466 like I remember sitting on a panel once 289 00:09:59,466 --> 00:10:00,566 with three other women 290 00:10:00,633 --> 00:10:03,033 and we were presenting to like the whole team of 291 00:10:03,033 --> 00:10:05,566 I think there was like 13,000 people at the time 292 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:07,233 and it's terrifying like 293 00:10:07,233 --> 00:10:10,633 it is scary knowing that your voice and your opinions 294 00:10:10,633 --> 00:10:12,866 and your thoughts and your work 295 00:10:12,866 --> 00:10:15,000 is about to be perceived by that many people 296 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,900 and not just perceived but like 297 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:19,800 by the people that you care about 298 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,666 listening to you speak well 299 00:10:21,666 --> 00:10:22,666 and what that means is 300 00:10:22,666 --> 00:10:24,766 it's now more important than ever 301 00:10:24,766 --> 00:10:27,100 for us to sharpen up these skills 302 00:10:27,100 --> 00:10:29,066 to sharpen up these presentation skills 303 00:10:29,066 --> 00:10:31,400 and something I hate is 304 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,800 when managers'cause I believed this to be true 305 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,200 when we kind of give ourselves 306 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,166 like a lack of confidence to go and present 307 00:10:41,166 --> 00:10:43,466 to go into these rooms and have these conversations 308 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:46,800 because we believe that you have to be born with it 309 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,766 like you have to have this natural charisma 310 00:10:48,766 --> 00:10:50,900 and be able to articulate yourself really well 311 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:53,500 from the get go in order to be good at this 312 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:54,633 but you know 313 00:10:54,633 --> 00:10:56,866 just like everything else I teach in leadership 314 00:10:56,866 --> 00:10:58,566 it is a skill I promise it's a skill 315 00:10:58,566 --> 00:10:59,666 it's one that you can learn 316 00:10:59,666 --> 00:11:01,466 you have to have the courage to go and practice 317 00:11:01,466 --> 00:11:04,100 it but I guarantee you can learn it 318 00:11:04,133 --> 00:11:05,700 I'm gonna go all the way back to school 319 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:07,866 when we had to stand up and present 320 00:11:07,866 --> 00:11:08,166 you know 321 00:11:08,166 --> 00:11:10,900 things that I remember doing economics for a level 322 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,433 and we'd have to like 323 00:11:12,433 --> 00:11:14,266 stand up and present our business idea 324 00:11:14,266 --> 00:11:15,800 or we'd have to I don't know 325 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,900 even going back right back to like primary school 326 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:20,933 standing up in front of assembly and reading something 327 00:11:21,266 --> 00:11:24,000 that for me was nervy like I was terrified 328 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,666 I wasn't like a born natural 329 00:11:25,666 --> 00:11:27,600 great public speaker who like 330 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:28,633 loved to be on stage 331 00:11:28,633 --> 00:11:30,666 and got energized by being on stage 332 00:11:30,933 --> 00:11:32,466 I was terrified and I think like 333 00:11:32,466 --> 00:11:33,466 having the confidence 334 00:11:33,466 --> 00:11:35,300 to have those difficult conversations 335 00:11:35,766 --> 00:11:38,600 where even if it's like a one on one or a one on two 336 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:40,766 where you have to communicate ideas 337 00:11:40,766 --> 00:11:42,800 communicate strategy from above 338 00:11:42,866 --> 00:11:43,966 communicate you know 339 00:11:43,966 --> 00:11:46,666 like more recently a good friend of mine 340 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,966 she's had to communicate to her entire team 341 00:11:48,966 --> 00:11:50,600 that there's no pay rises this year 342 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,600 because the business isn't doing well 343 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,166 and therefore nobody in the team is getting a pay rise 344 00:11:56,166 --> 00:11:58,266 and she's had to communicate that to the team 345 00:11:58,266 --> 00:12:00,433 in a way that you know keeps them motivated 346 00:12:00,433 --> 00:12:03,666 keeps them feeling energized and sometimes it's hard 347 00:12:03,666 --> 00:12:05,566 like you can't actually always do that 348 00:12:05,566 --> 00:12:08,533 but you have to implore some skills 349 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,500 as a leader to make sure that you can 350 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:12,500 kind of keep your team 351 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:14,400 feeling as though they're on this journey with you 352 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,366 and so I started off as you know 353 00:12:16,366 --> 00:12:18,033 like a really nervous speaker 354 00:12:18,033 --> 00:12:19,366 really nervous presenter 355 00:12:19,366 --> 00:12:21,466 the first couple of public speaking things that I did 356 00:12:21,466 --> 00:12:22,800 when it was at conferences 357 00:12:22,833 --> 00:12:26,566 I was terrified by I used to also do like webinars 358 00:12:26,666 --> 00:12:29,066 in the small tech business that I worked in 359 00:12:29,066 --> 00:12:32,433 I do client webinars and present and I was so nervous 360 00:12:32,433 --> 00:12:36,966 I remember before it like really so sweaty scared 361 00:12:36,966 --> 00:12:37,833 I've had I've had like 362 00:12:37,833 --> 00:12:40,600 sticky notes everywhere with scripts and be terrified 363 00:12:40,966 --> 00:12:42,000 and then you know 364 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,833 fast forward to like today and don't get me wrong 365 00:12:45,833 --> 00:12:48,266 standing on the stages is never gonna be natural 366 00:12:48,266 --> 00:12:49,500 like it's not a natural thing 367 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:51,666 to go and stand on a stage in front of 300 people 368 00:12:51,666 --> 00:12:53,600 and communicate your ideas really well 369 00:12:54,066 --> 00:12:56,400 but I don't feel terrified anymore 370 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,233 I don't feel terrified and scared 371 00:12:58,233 --> 00:13:01,666 and there's a few key reasons as to why 372 00:13:01,666 --> 00:13:03,466 that I'm gonna hand over to you today 373 00:13:03,466 --> 00:13:05,600 when I present to my team and share ideas 374 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,166 I like to think now that I can inspire them 375 00:13:08,166 --> 00:13:09,733 and bring them along on that journey 376 00:13:09,833 --> 00:13:10,466 and so 377 00:13:10,466 --> 00:13:14,033 I'm gonna show you how I went on that journey to being 378 00:13:14,033 --> 00:13:15,266 like this super nervous 379 00:13:15,266 --> 00:13:17,500 terrified person about public speaking 380 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:19,533 about presenting in front of a small group 381 00:13:20,133 --> 00:13:23,200 through to being able to deliver a Tedx talk 382 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,900 you know Tedx is one of the most 383 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:27,033 world renowned stages in the entire world 384 00:13:27,033 --> 00:13:28,833 and so I'm gonna take you on that journey 385 00:13:28,833 --> 00:13:30,933 I'm gonna give you my tips and tricks 386 00:13:31,033 --> 00:13:33,366 and I just really hope that by the end of this episode 387 00:13:33,366 --> 00:13:34,800 you have the courage 388 00:13:34,966 --> 00:13:36,866 to go and try these things for yourself 389 00:13:36,866 --> 00:13:39,233 and take take a bit of pressure off yourself as well 390 00:13:39,233 --> 00:13:40,700 in presenting and public speaking 391 00:13:40,700 --> 00:13:42,433 because it's not natural 392 00:13:42,433 --> 00:13:44,066 like it's not a natural thing to do 393 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:47,266 so the first tip I am gonna give you is 394 00:13:48,266 --> 00:13:51,000 whatever you think you're gonna start with 395 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:54,400 write it all down usually it's an intro hi 396 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,666 my name is Heather and this is my role 397 00:13:56,666 --> 00:13:59,133 and here is what I'm gonna show you today 398 00:13:59,366 --> 00:14:01,266 that's what everyone thinks you should start with 399 00:14:01,266 --> 00:14:03,466 so write that out as you need to 400 00:14:03,566 --> 00:14:06,566 and then remove the first three sentences 401 00:14:06,566 --> 00:14:08,166 or the first three slides 402 00:14:08,700 --> 00:14:10,466 just like with social media 403 00:14:10,466 --> 00:14:12,366 where every video has a hook 404 00:14:12,366 --> 00:14:15,166 just like with this podcast where at the beginning 405 00:14:15,166 --> 00:14:17,366 I don't sit down and say hey 406 00:14:17,366 --> 00:14:18,466 my name's Heather 407 00:14:18,566 --> 00:14:20,900 this episode's gonna be all about presenting 408 00:14:20,900 --> 00:14:25,366 and speaking the first at least like 5 sentences 409 00:14:25,366 --> 00:14:28,966 first slide you need people to be hooked in 410 00:14:28,966 --> 00:14:30,633 you will notice from here on out 411 00:14:30,633 --> 00:14:32,266 and you may have noticed before 412 00:14:32,433 --> 00:14:34,233 every episode that I start with 413 00:14:34,233 --> 00:14:36,266 I jump straight into a story 414 00:14:36,466 --> 00:14:38,500 or a statement or a question 415 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:39,866 as a um 416 00:14:39,866 --> 00:14:43,166 participant in webinars or a listener of podcasts 417 00:14:43,166 --> 00:14:45,166 you know you're someone who listens to podcasts 418 00:14:45,266 --> 00:14:47,066 I'm someone who listens to podcasts 419 00:14:47,233 --> 00:14:49,900 I'm someone who watches webinars watches YouTube 420 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:51,333 videos to educate myself 421 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,400 if I'm not hooked in that first five minutes 422 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,466 if I don't have somewhat of a promise of the value 423 00:14:58,466 --> 00:15:00,266 or a delivery on the value 424 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,500 I'm checking out and if you're presenting to your team 425 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:05,600 especially if it's like over zoom 426 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,466 you know if you're doing a presentation online 427 00:15:07,466 --> 00:15:08,766 you've got to keep them hooked in 428 00:15:08,766 --> 00:15:10,200 you've got to keep them engaged 429 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,033 and I think nowadays 430 00:15:12,033 --> 00:15:15,666 people are so bored of the classic 431 00:15:15,666 --> 00:15:18,033 like corporate presentation style 432 00:15:18,033 --> 00:15:22,766 it's so boring and if you have even like a title slide 433 00:15:22,766 --> 00:15:24,966 that doesn't have you can have a title slide 434 00:15:25,166 --> 00:15:27,100 but maybe have a question on it 435 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:28,266 start with a question like 436 00:15:28,266 --> 00:15:32,066 get people engaged in the chat box of the presentation 437 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:33,300 you know get them engaged 438 00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:34,866 if you're presenting in front of a group 439 00:15:34,866 --> 00:15:36,633 say you're standing up in front of your 10 440 00:15:36,633 --> 00:15:38,766 person team on a Monday morning 441 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,966 start off with a question not how was your weekend 442 00:15:41,966 --> 00:15:42,866 start off with 443 00:15:42,866 --> 00:15:45,033 what was the most exciting part of everyone's week 444 00:15:45,033 --> 00:15:49,200 last week that is immediately gonna get people focused 445 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,500 get people engaged 446 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:55,000 and you're also taking the impetus away from you 447 00:15:55,033 --> 00:15:57,300 so you're taking it away from this is 448 00:15:57,300 --> 00:15:58,833 this presentation is all about me 449 00:15:58,833 --> 00:15:59,900 and what I've got to say 450 00:15:59,900 --> 00:16:02,300 and me showing you the facts and me getting it right 451 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:04,766 and you're saying I wanna hear from you immediately 452 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:05,833 I wanna get you engaged 453 00:16:05,833 --> 00:16:07,500 I want you like something that I do 454 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:10,600 if you've ever seen my stop being nice 455 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,300 start being kind it's my signature talk that I deliver 456 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:15,100 on stages all around the world 457 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:18,400 about three minutes in I ask the audience 458 00:16:18,466 --> 00:16:20,533 how confident do you feel 459 00:16:20,633 --> 00:16:22,366 having a difficult conversation 460 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,766 and I get them if I'm physically in the room with them 461 00:16:24,766 --> 00:16:26,633 I'll get them to show me a number on their hands 462 00:16:26,633 --> 00:16:30,433 from 1 to 10 and if I am on zoom or whatever 463 00:16:30,433 --> 00:16:32,300 I'll get them to put the number in the chat box 464 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:34,666 and then I usually will pick on a couple of people 465 00:16:34,666 --> 00:16:35,766 and ask them okay 466 00:16:35,766 --> 00:16:37,700 tell me I'll pick on someone who voted really high 467 00:16:37,700 --> 00:16:39,233 and someone who voted really low 468 00:16:39,233 --> 00:16:41,633 and I'll just say tell me why you feel like that 469 00:16:41,633 --> 00:16:43,466 tell me why you put a 3 up 470 00:16:43,466 --> 00:16:45,300 tell me why you put a 9 up 471 00:16:45,333 --> 00:16:48,533 and it's that audience interaction and engagement 472 00:16:48,566 --> 00:16:50,000 that is gonna win them over 473 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,066 it's gonna win them over 474 00:16:51,066 --> 00:16:52,566 it's gonna help them to feel engaged 475 00:16:52,566 --> 00:16:54,233 because if you think to 476 00:16:54,233 --> 00:16:56,200 when you last watched a presentation 477 00:16:56,666 --> 00:16:59,300 the reason it's boring the reason it 478 00:16:59,300 --> 00:17:01,500 from the beginning is like the most boring thing ever 479 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:05,066 and you wanna switch off is it's all about that person 480 00:17:05,066 --> 00:17:06,200 it's all about them 481 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,500 and I know if you've chose to be here right 482 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:10,933 you've chose to click play on this podcast 483 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,266 you are already somewhat invested you you know 484 00:17:14,266 --> 00:17:15,900 you can't maybe you already know who I am 485 00:17:15,900 --> 00:17:17,100 maybe you don't know who I am 486 00:17:17,100 --> 00:17:18,800 but does it really matter 487 00:17:18,866 --> 00:17:21,500 and if it does tell the stories throughout 488 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:22,366 so what you'll notice 489 00:17:22,366 --> 00:17:24,200 I'm doing throughout this podcast is 490 00:17:24,433 --> 00:17:25,766 instead of like 491 00:17:25,766 --> 00:17:27,266 sitting at the beginning of every episode 492 00:17:27,266 --> 00:17:27,900 and telling you 493 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:29,366 or at the beginning of the first episode 494 00:17:29,366 --> 00:17:31,266 even going through my career journey 495 00:17:31,266 --> 00:17:33,666 telling you every single thing about me and you know 496 00:17:33,666 --> 00:17:37,066 my favourite food and my pet and whatever 497 00:17:37,166 --> 00:17:40,500 I don't have a pet wish I did but instead of doing that 498 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:45,233 it's boring I know that throughout the next 12 weeks 499 00:17:45,233 --> 00:17:47,066 you will go on a journey with me 500 00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:48,466 where you'll learn things about me 501 00:17:48,466 --> 00:17:49,600 you'll learn my point of view 502 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,866 you will hear about my career history 503 00:17:51,933 --> 00:17:52,766 but when I bring it in 504 00:17:52,766 --> 00:17:54,233 it's done from the perspective of 505 00:17:54,233 --> 00:17:56,800 Here's a story that's gonna help you 506 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,000 to see how you can overcome this pain 507 00:17:59,066 --> 00:18:02,333 and so whatever is in your first three minutes 508 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,066 usually just scrap it hey guys 509 00:18:05,066 --> 00:18:06,633 today we're gonna talk about X 510 00:18:06,633 --> 00:18:07,100 y and Z 511 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:09,466 here's what we're gonna go through you can do that 512 00:18:09,466 --> 00:18:11,200 just don't do it in the first three minutes 513 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,400 in the first three minutes 514 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,633 get people switched on get them engaged 515 00:18:14,633 --> 00:18:15,500 you can ask people 516 00:18:15,500 --> 00:18:17,433 think icebreaker questions in meetings are cringey 517 00:18:17,433 --> 00:18:18,833 I think they're fucking brilliant 518 00:18:18,833 --> 00:18:20,466 like I used to ask my team 519 00:18:20,466 --> 00:18:23,166 we had just our monthly leadership review and I said 520 00:18:23,166 --> 00:18:25,133 what's your biggest regret in life 521 00:18:25,633 --> 00:18:27,300 how I know that is probably really deep 522 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:28,900 and a lot of people listen to this will be like 523 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:29,666 fucking hell Heather 524 00:18:29,666 --> 00:18:31,700 you can't be asking them that in like a you know 525 00:18:31,700 --> 00:18:33,466 weekly leadership meeting 526 00:18:33,466 --> 00:18:34,400 I asked the question 527 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,500 and then I actually answered it first 528 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:37,800 to give them a bit of time to warm up 529 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,400 and to say I'm willing to share mine with you 530 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,766 and it was really I went probably a bit too deep 531 00:18:42,766 --> 00:18:44,433 but they 532 00:18:44,433 --> 00:18:47,033 they decide how much information they wanna give you 533 00:18:47,033 --> 00:18:47,300 like 534 00:18:47,300 --> 00:18:50,000 they don't have to tell you something that they really 535 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,033 truly deeply regret 536 00:18:51,033 --> 00:18:54,300 if they want they could just say I regret you know 537 00:18:54,666 --> 00:18:56,300 I don't know something that's more shallow 538 00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:58,100 they get to decide they don't have to answer 539 00:18:58,100 --> 00:18:59,233 it's an invitation to answer 540 00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:02,800 it's not a summoning and so ask an icebreaker question 541 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:03,633 there's loads online 542 00:19:03,633 --> 00:19:05,266 you can just Google icebreaker questions 543 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:07,666 and I used to love asking it cause it gets them closer 544 00:19:07,666 --> 00:19:10,566 it gets us all together so that's your first point 545 00:19:10,566 --> 00:19:15,166 whatever that first 5 minutes is make it fun engaging 546 00:19:15,166 --> 00:19:16,066 different 547 00:19:16,166 --> 00:19:19,733 don't make it all about you cause that is just boring 548 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:23,566 next tip is pause just pause and breathe 549 00:19:23,866 --> 00:19:26,300 we tend to think when you're in the hot seat 550 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:28,133 when you're the one that's presenting 551 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:31,833 you feel time moving so slowly 552 00:19:31,833 --> 00:19:33,333 because the eyes are on you 553 00:19:33,366 --> 00:19:36,266 I guarantee people are 554 00:19:36,266 --> 00:19:39,866 not computing the information as fast as you are 555 00:19:39,866 --> 00:19:40,966 because you've prepped it 556 00:19:40,966 --> 00:19:42,300 like you understand it you know 557 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:44,700 the context just slow down 558 00:19:44,766 --> 00:19:47,033 something I really struggled with and to be honest 559 00:19:47,033 --> 00:19:48,233 I've only got over this in the last 560 00:19:48,233 --> 00:19:51,966 like six months or so was breathing on stage 561 00:19:51,966 --> 00:19:54,700 like we get out of breath because we go so fast 562 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:57,166 and if you listen to the episode on stop being nice 563 00:19:57,166 --> 00:19:58,266 start being kind 564 00:19:58,433 --> 00:20:01,166 you will have heard me tell the story about me 565 00:20:01,166 --> 00:20:03,166 like finding confidence in my own voice 566 00:20:03,166 --> 00:20:06,466 and how I was just such a fast speaker 567 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:09,366 and a lot of the time we speak fast 568 00:20:09,366 --> 00:20:11,900 if you ask a therapist why you speak so fast 569 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:13,033 they will say to you 570 00:20:13,033 --> 00:20:15,500 it's because you don't have confidence in your voice 571 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:17,866 and you have to slow it down 572 00:20:17,866 --> 00:20:19,233 pause to take a breath 573 00:20:19,233 --> 00:20:21,666 like because it's kind of this cycle 574 00:20:21,666 --> 00:20:24,266 if you don't pause to take those breaths 575 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,900 you just constantly feed back to your brain to say 576 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:28,833 I'm stressed I'm in flight mode 577 00:20:28,833 --> 00:20:31,033 and that will just be like this vicious cycle 578 00:20:31,033 --> 00:20:32,700 going back into your words 579 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:34,166 that make you get more worked up 580 00:20:34,166 --> 00:20:36,133 more anxious more overwhelmed 581 00:20:36,133 --> 00:20:38,666 and so allow yourself time to pause 582 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:40,000 give yourself a breath 583 00:20:40,066 --> 00:20:42,466 give yourself some sort of cues throughout the talk 584 00:20:42,466 --> 00:20:44,333 throughout the presentation 585 00:20:44,366 --> 00:20:47,366 it could just be every slide you say to yourself 586 00:20:47,366 --> 00:20:49,500 OK I'm gonna count to three in my head 587 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:50,700 do two deep breaths 588 00:20:50,700 --> 00:20:55,233 one and 2 and just do two deep breaths 589 00:20:55,233 --> 00:20:57,433 someone said to me once I've not fact checked this 590 00:20:57,433 --> 00:20:58,966 but I'm pretty sure it's true 591 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:01,266 if ever you're feeling anxious 592 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:04,866 breathe out and sometimes I do this before bed now 593 00:21:04,866 --> 00:21:06,100 if ever I'm a little bit on like 594 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:07,566 the more stressed side 595 00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:09,500 and I and I wanna make sure I get a good sleep like 596 00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:09,700 you know 597 00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:11,700 when those thoughts are keeping you awake at night 598 00:21:11,833 --> 00:21:15,533 do 10 really deep breaths out 599 00:21:15,633 --> 00:21:18,566 because apparently when you breathe out for longer 600 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,900 it's a signal to your nervous system 601 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:22,900 that you are not stressed 602 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:24,600 that you're not in flight mode 603 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,800 you don't need to kind of go into that fight or flight 604 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,633 fear and so I do it now before I go on stage 605 00:21:29,633 --> 00:21:30,866 I do it before I sleep 606 00:21:30,866 --> 00:21:33,166 just take 10 really deep breaths 607 00:21:33,166 --> 00:21:36,100 and breathe out for as long as you possibly can 608 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,633 and it's just gonna help put your body in 609 00:21:37,633 --> 00:21:39,266 like a better physical state 610 00:21:39,366 --> 00:21:43,000 but take those breaths throughout like slow it down 611 00:21:43,033 --> 00:21:45,600 count in your head ask a question 612 00:21:45,666 --> 00:21:47,000 and if there's a bit of a pause 613 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:47,833 when you ask that question 614 00:21:47,833 --> 00:21:49,900 and people don't immediately respond 615 00:21:50,466 --> 00:21:52,800 just don't feel the silence give them the space 616 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,800 allow them space my next point is that 617 00:21:56,066 --> 00:21:58,833 I have had a lot of feedback on my public speaking 618 00:21:58,833 --> 00:22:00,033 over the years again 619 00:22:00,033 --> 00:22:02,700 public speaking sometimes just in boardroom meetings 620 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:03,766 with a small group 621 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,766 sometimes presenting in front of hundreds of people 622 00:22:05,766 --> 00:22:06,866 sometimes on zoom 623 00:22:07,066 --> 00:22:09,666 I've had lots of feedback because I go and look for it 624 00:22:09,666 --> 00:22:12,566 I ask peers I ask people in the room 625 00:22:12,566 --> 00:22:15,166 I send a form to people after my talk 626 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,366 asking for feedback is scarier than I think 627 00:22:17,366 --> 00:22:19,800 a lot of us think we like 628 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,366 I always when I deliver something 629 00:22:21,366 --> 00:22:23,533 if I'm not sure I did it to 100% 630 00:22:23,566 --> 00:22:24,633 I will hesitate 631 00:22:24,633 --> 00:22:26,100 when I want to ask for the feedback for it 632 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:27,366 because I think oh 633 00:22:27,366 --> 00:22:28,833 but I know that they're not gonna give me like 634 00:22:28,833 --> 00:22:30,866 a 10 out of 10 and maybe that's gonna stress me out 635 00:22:30,866 --> 00:22:32,300 and do I really need to hear it 636 00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:33,400 cause it's gonna make me more nervous 637 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,966 last time I cannot tell you how much over the years 638 00:22:37,966 --> 00:22:40,833 asking for feedback on my public speaking 639 00:22:40,833 --> 00:22:42,666 has improved my public speaking 640 00:22:42,666 --> 00:22:45,266 so the next time you're in these scenarios 641 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,033 say to your team like people that you trust 642 00:22:48,033 --> 00:22:49,900 it can be peers it can be people on your team 643 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:52,866 people that you manage ask them the question 644 00:22:53,066 --> 00:22:56,666 what's one thing you loved about that presentation 645 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:59,300 and one thing you think I could have done better 646 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,433 and say to them look please 647 00:23:01,433 --> 00:23:02,433 I really wanna know 648 00:23:02,433 --> 00:23:04,366 because I'm trying to improve my public speaking 649 00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:06,766 I'd love it if you could give me some feedback on this 650 00:23:06,766 --> 00:23:08,033 I don't want you to sugarcoat it 651 00:23:08,033 --> 00:23:10,433 I want you to tell me and that's just also like 652 00:23:10,433 --> 00:23:12,633 another opportunity for you to signal to your team 653 00:23:12,633 --> 00:23:13,833 that you care about feedback 654 00:23:13,833 --> 00:23:16,366 you care about growing so that they can do that as well 655 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,600 and so go and ask for feedback 656 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,000 and so I went off on a bit of a Tangent there 657 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,266 but one of the bits of feedback I always get 658 00:23:24,266 --> 00:23:25,766 so when I when I ask people 659 00:23:25,766 --> 00:23:28,366 what bit did you love and what bit do you wish 660 00:23:28,366 --> 00:23:30,466 like I could change or would have been better 661 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,566 the bits that people always love always 662 00:23:33,566 --> 00:23:37,466 always always consistently is two things stories 663 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,866 so when I tell stories about who I am about my journey 664 00:23:41,866 --> 00:23:45,400 about my career and second examples 665 00:23:45,866 --> 00:23:47,300 so giving examples of things 666 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:48,966 so for example if I said to you 667 00:23:48,966 --> 00:23:50,066 you know I want you to cut out 668 00:23:50,066 --> 00:23:51,966 the first three minutes of your presentation 669 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,100 I need to then in order to connect it to you properly 670 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:56,633 I need to give an example of okay 671 00:23:56,633 --> 00:23:58,066 so usually in the first three minutes 672 00:23:58,066 --> 00:23:59,933 you do the intro and it's boring and blah blah 673 00:23:59,966 --> 00:24:02,366 cut that out and start straight with the story 674 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,633 so examples and stories guys 675 00:24:04,633 --> 00:24:06,566 are two things I want you to keep in your mind 676 00:24:06,566 --> 00:24:08,866 and I would probably add questions in that as well 677 00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:10,966 examples stories and questions 678 00:24:11,466 --> 00:24:14,200 the reason they are so powerful is because 679 00:24:14,633 --> 00:24:18,033 we are in a world where information is everywhere 680 00:24:18,033 --> 00:24:19,900 we do not have a lack of information 681 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:22,966 I do not need someone to tell me 682 00:24:22,966 --> 00:24:25,300 how to improve my public speaking 683 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:25,833 for example 684 00:24:25,833 --> 00:24:29,700 I don't want someone to give me like a 10 point list of 685 00:24:29,933 --> 00:24:32,633 here's one point from the internet 686 00:24:32,633 --> 00:24:34,766 here's another statistic from the internet 687 00:24:34,766 --> 00:24:36,700 whilst that can make a really good case for like 688 00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:38,733 the backbone of what you're presenting 689 00:24:38,833 --> 00:24:41,300 you need to connect that to the real world 690 00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:43,900 by giving your stories your examples 691 00:24:44,166 --> 00:24:48,633 and so keep stories and examples in your mind 692 00:24:48,633 --> 00:24:50,300 they are the points in your talk 693 00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:52,000 in your presentation where people are gonna connect 694 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,366 I think the reason people love those as well 695 00:24:53,366 --> 00:24:56,166 is it deepens the level of a authority 696 00:24:56,166 --> 00:24:57,266 because you're showing them 697 00:24:57,266 --> 00:24:58,566 not just telling them 698 00:24:58,733 --> 00:25:02,166 and be transparency and authenticity 699 00:25:02,166 --> 00:25:03,900 because you're telling your stories of 700 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:05,666 you know ways that you've done this in the past 701 00:25:05,666 --> 00:25:07,600 ways that you've messed up with this in the past 702 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,300 so stories and examples 703 00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:11,666 always make sure if you're delivering a presentation 704 00:25:11,766 --> 00:25:14,533 you have your stories and examples woven through it 705 00:25:14,633 --> 00:25:16,700 something else I need us to remember 706 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:18,900 when we're talking about presenting and public speaking 707 00:25:19,833 --> 00:25:23,900 there is always gonna be someone's voice in your head 708 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:25,433 what I mean by that is 709 00:25:25,433 --> 00:25:28,866 when you say you're presenting to a group of 30 people 710 00:25:28,866 --> 00:25:29,666 on a team meeting 711 00:25:29,666 --> 00:25:31,000 10 people whatever 712 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,033 there is someone in that virtual room 713 00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:36,033 that you are seeking approval from 714 00:25:36,033 --> 00:25:38,233 it could be that person who's been in the business 715 00:25:38,233 --> 00:25:40,066 longer than you it could be the person who 716 00:25:40,066 --> 00:25:42,033 you feel like they're really confident with public 717 00:25:42,033 --> 00:25:44,000 speaking and therefore you're trying to impress them 718 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,866 it could be the it could be your boss 719 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,266 there's one person in 720 00:25:47,266 --> 00:25:48,900 that virtual public speaking room 721 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:52,633 whatever that you are trying to win approval from 722 00:25:52,633 --> 00:25:54,766 and you need to name that person 723 00:25:54,766 --> 00:25:55,800 you don't have to tell them 724 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,533 but figure out who it is 725 00:25:57,566 --> 00:25:59,300 because as soon as you figure out who it is 726 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:01,066 who is it you're seeking approval from 727 00:26:01,133 --> 00:26:03,300 you can kind of take that approval back 728 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,400 so you can say to yourself OK 729 00:26:05,433 --> 00:26:08,100 why am I seeking approval from Jane OK 730 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,600 I think it's because Jane's really confident 731 00:26:10,666 --> 00:26:13,166 and so I and I don't feel confident 732 00:26:13,166 --> 00:26:13,700 and therefore 733 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:17,066 I want her to leave thinking I feel confident okay 734 00:26:17,066 --> 00:26:19,500 we're gonna take the winning approval back from Jane 735 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:20,900 because we don't care about Jane 736 00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:23,333 Jane probably if she's really good at public speaking 737 00:26:23,366 --> 00:26:24,766 probably has been on this journey 738 00:26:24,766 --> 00:26:25,833 and knows how tough it is 739 00:26:25,833 --> 00:26:27,766 so won't be judging you or maybe she is 740 00:26:27,766 --> 00:26:30,600 but either way we don't care instead 741 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,200 the person I need you to think about is 742 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,000 there will be someone else in that room 743 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:35,666 and the other 744 00:26:35,666 --> 00:26:39,100 the someone else will generally be the person 745 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,933 who is potentially the most junior 746 00:26:42,266 --> 00:26:44,766 who is the least confident in public speaking 747 00:26:45,033 --> 00:26:48,033 who will be watching you deliver this talk and think 748 00:26:48,033 --> 00:26:50,666 wow I only hope one day 749 00:26:50,666 --> 00:26:54,200 I have the confidence or courage to do that this wow 750 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,800 you know I really hope I can follow in their footsteps 751 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,700 for my career 752 00:26:57,833 --> 00:27:01,766 try and place your attention importance on that person 753 00:27:01,766 --> 00:27:04,266 because out of a room of 30 people 754 00:27:04,266 --> 00:27:06,033 if you deliver a talk 755 00:27:06,033 --> 00:27:09,900 and it positively impacts just one person's life 756 00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:11,466 then it was worth it in my opinion 757 00:27:11,466 --> 00:27:12,466 it was worth it 758 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,600 and I think so often we put all of our like 759 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,200 fear and anxiety 760 00:27:17,366 --> 00:27:21,266 thinking on in the buckets of the wrong people 761 00:27:21,266 --> 00:27:23,433 we're trying to impress the wrong people 762 00:27:23,433 --> 00:27:25,166 when actually there's someone else in that room 763 00:27:25,166 --> 00:27:27,233 who just really needs to hear today 764 00:27:27,233 --> 00:27:29,400 what you've got to say and when you think about that 765 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,200 it will help you shape your talk 766 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,133 it will help you shape your presentation 767 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,300 in a better way 768 00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:36,500 because if you think about just all the other points 769 00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:37,633 we've spoke about before now 770 00:27:37,633 --> 00:27:38,400 telling stories 771 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,533 giving examples and you know like being authentic 772 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,300 if you were to think about the person 773 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:46,066 that you wanted approval from 774 00:27:46,066 --> 00:27:48,466 you would think oh I've got to try and impress them 775 00:27:48,466 --> 00:27:50,166 I've got to bulk up the numbers 776 00:27:50,166 --> 00:27:52,000 to try and impress them I've got to be perfect 777 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,400 I've got to say the right thing 778 00:27:53,433 --> 00:27:54,800 that's just gonna trip you over 779 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,900 you're gonna speak fast you're gonna be nervous 780 00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:58,933 you're gonna struggle to control your breath 781 00:28:00,066 --> 00:28:02,300 if you instead think about the person 782 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:04,566 and maybe you don't even know who this other person is 783 00:28:04,566 --> 00:28:06,000 like they could be someone in the audience 784 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,566 someone on the in the room that you don't even know 785 00:28:08,566 --> 00:28:09,866 that they feel this way about you yet 786 00:28:09,866 --> 00:28:12,666 who does look up to you is inspired by you 787 00:28:12,666 --> 00:28:16,066 if you instead put your thinking in their bucket 788 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,033 you will start to lose the concept of being perfect 789 00:28:20,033 --> 00:28:21,233 because they don't care 790 00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:22,500 they already think you're brilliant 791 00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:24,166 like you don't need to prove anything to them 792 00:28:24,166 --> 00:28:26,966 you don't need to and so instead you start to think 793 00:28:26,966 --> 00:28:30,200 what do they really need to hear in order to grow 794 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,600 how do I need to challenge them 795 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,233 how do I need to question them 796 00:28:33,233 --> 00:28:35,266 what information do they need 797 00:28:35,366 --> 00:28:39,300 and so really take your caring like tokens 798 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,666 if they exist let's say you got three caring tokens 799 00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:42,800 take them away from the person 800 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,000 you're looking for approval from 801 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,300 and give them to the person who really needs your help 802 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:47,166 and support 803 00:28:47,633 --> 00:28:49,600 I'm gonna give you a practical tip now as well 804 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,100 and I Learned this one from Tedx 805 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:52,033 so when you do tedx 806 00:28:52,033 --> 00:28:54,266 you do this very rigorous process of 807 00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:55,966 of the like lead up to the talk 808 00:28:55,966 --> 00:28:56,766 so if you imagine 809 00:28:56,766 --> 00:28:59,266 tedx only wanna publish like the best talks 810 00:28:59,266 --> 00:29:00,333 the best speakers 811 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,166 and so it's like a whole six month process leading up 812 00:29:03,166 --> 00:29:04,266 where you go to rehearsals 813 00:29:04,266 --> 00:29:06,866 you get coached by previous Ted talkers 814 00:29:06,866 --> 00:29:08,600 it's great it's it's quite grueling 815 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,500 it's quite intense it's quite tough 816 00:29:10,766 --> 00:29:12,833 but it's brilliant like as a speaker 817 00:29:12,833 --> 00:29:13,900 it's incredible 818 00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:17,800 and something that I Learned from the Tedx coaches was 819 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,200 you have to rehearse out loud 820 00:29:20,466 --> 00:29:22,633 so when you rehearse in your head 821 00:29:22,633 --> 00:29:23,866 the internal monologue 822 00:29:23,866 --> 00:29:26,100 you'll you'll know this cause I do this all the time 823 00:29:26,166 --> 00:29:29,100 the internal monologue sounds so much sharper 824 00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:30,600 like it's so much easier 825 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,366 to articulate your thoughts in your head 826 00:29:32,366 --> 00:29:34,800 than it is out loud so when you're rehearsing 827 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,166 when you're practicing say it out loud 828 00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:38,166 I know it can feel silly 829 00:29:38,166 --> 00:29:40,866 I know it can feel weird speaking to like a nothingness 830 00:29:40,866 --> 00:29:41,300 I mean I'm 831 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:42,366 I literally do that now 832 00:29:42,366 --> 00:29:43,633 I've only got two people in the room 833 00:29:43,633 --> 00:29:46,800 rehearse at least the first five minutes of your talk 834 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,666 out loud say it out loud 835 00:29:48,766 --> 00:29:50,300 sit where you will be sat 836 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,766 do go through your slides and say the thing out loud 837 00:29:52,766 --> 00:29:54,833 because you will then notice 838 00:29:54,833 --> 00:29:57,166 if you start tripping over certain words 839 00:29:57,166 --> 00:29:59,166 if certain things are hard to say 840 00:29:59,233 --> 00:30:01,766 you can that's where you know that you need to 841 00:30:01,766 --> 00:30:03,166 like focus a bit more and learn 842 00:30:03,166 --> 00:30:05,000 it's so easy to say things in our head 843 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,566 saying things on our head is easy 844 00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:08,600 I remember the first time I brought a new talk in 845 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,466 called own it and I delivered it for the first time 846 00:30:10,466 --> 00:30:12,733 on the Astrid and me summer party stage 847 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,766 this was last summer the day before 848 00:30:14,766 --> 00:30:16,433 I just did the talk like five times 849 00:30:16,433 --> 00:30:17,466 I don't have to do this anymore 850 00:30:17,466 --> 00:30:19,066 but when it's a new talk 851 00:30:19,066 --> 00:30:20,566 I just did the talk like five times 852 00:30:20,566 --> 00:30:22,300 and you have to stand up 853 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,266 walk around as if you're on a stage 854 00:30:24,266 --> 00:30:26,000 say it out loud as if you're on a stage 855 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,366 like rehearsing in your head is absolutely no good 856 00:30:28,366 --> 00:30:29,200 you know when you sat at the screen 857 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,366 and you kind of pretending to do it 858 00:30:31,366 --> 00:30:33,800 it's not the same you have to rehearse out loud 859 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000 and then I feel like 860 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,200 this is the bit of advice that I've 861 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,500 I've left it left it till last 862 00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:38,633 cause you probably heard this one before 863 00:30:38,633 --> 00:30:39,566 but obviously 864 00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:41,566 don't have shitloads of text on the screen 865 00:30:41,566 --> 00:30:43,566 but if you have like a bullet point list 866 00:30:43,566 --> 00:30:45,866 try and have maximum like 4 bullet points 867 00:30:45,866 --> 00:30:48,000 one word ideally 868 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,600 like the best when you kind of get to 869 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,866 I guess expert level or whatever of public speaking 870 00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:56,866 you just want images or like one word or a question 871 00:30:56,866 --> 00:30:59,600 or a statement or a quote on your slide 872 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,400 you don't actually want to rely on the slide 873 00:31:02,733 --> 00:31:05,266 for the information because people just switch off 874 00:31:05,266 --> 00:31:08,566 like people just read what's on there 875 00:31:08,566 --> 00:31:10,066 and when you're reading what's on there 876 00:31:10,066 --> 00:31:11,400 you can't really hear what you're saying 877 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,433 so you want you know 878 00:31:12,433 --> 00:31:14,266 in an ideal world it would just be one thing 879 00:31:14,266 --> 00:31:15,366 one question one statement 880 00:31:15,366 --> 00:31:17,500 one image and you just riff off of that 881 00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,233 and this is the other thing about telling stories 882 00:31:20,233 --> 00:31:21,333 in presentations 883 00:31:22,066 --> 00:31:23,566 when you tell a story 884 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,600 you won't get caught up in your words 885 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,566 because it's your story like you remember it 886 00:31:28,566 --> 00:31:30,300 you were there you did the thing 887 00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,066 this is also why I think that 888 00:31:32,133 --> 00:31:36,100 I find it so easy to talk about leadership on a stage 889 00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:38,666 like people always ask me if the Q&A makes me nervous 890 00:31:38,666 --> 00:31:39,166 though you know 891 00:31:39,166 --> 00:31:41,333 I do big talks like I did one 892 00:31:41,433 --> 00:31:43,400 um last month with a Veeva 893 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,400 and it was broadcast all across to a Veeva 894 00:31:46,666 --> 00:31:49,000 and their entire team obviously there's like god 895 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,733 tens of thousands of people in their team 896 00:31:50,866 --> 00:31:52,600 and the team of Eva said to me 897 00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,366 do you ever get nervous about the Q&A 898 00:31:54,366 --> 00:31:55,900 because what if you get asked something 899 00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:57,866 that you don't know the answer to 900 00:31:57,900 --> 00:31:58,866 and I'm like no 901 00:31:58,866 --> 00:32:01,366 because there's nothing in leadership that 902 00:32:01,366 --> 00:32:02,466 not that I don't know the answer to 903 00:32:02,466 --> 00:32:04,433 but there's nothing that I can't talk about 904 00:32:04,433 --> 00:32:06,866 because I've done it like I have lived it 905 00:32:06,866 --> 00:32:09,833 I've done it I've been in the trenches for the last 10 906 00:32:09,833 --> 00:32:11,300 whatever years and so 907 00:32:11,833 --> 00:32:13,066 even if I don't have like 908 00:32:13,066 --> 00:32:15,800 a statistic or a definitive answer for that person 909 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,766 right there and then 910 00:32:16,833 --> 00:32:19,266 I know that at some point in my career 911 00:32:19,266 --> 00:32:21,233 I will have had that same feeling 912 00:32:21,233 --> 00:32:23,266 I will have struggled with that same thing 913 00:32:23,266 --> 00:32:25,400 and therefore it never makes me nervous 914 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,900 and so this is why stories are brilliant 915 00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:30,500 because you're not telling people what to do 916 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:32,733 you're showing them how you've done it 917 00:32:32,866 --> 00:32:34,233 and you're just saying you know 918 00:32:34,233 --> 00:32:36,266 I'm just the guide you do this as well if you want 919 00:32:36,266 --> 00:32:37,500 maybe it won't work for you 920 00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:41,800 and the very last mindset flip that I need us to make 921 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:44,833 is we are just trying to say 922 00:32:44,833 --> 00:32:47,866 the thing that someone in that room needs to hear 923 00:32:47,866 --> 00:32:49,400 we're not trying to be perfect 924 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,200 no one cares if you skip a couple of words 925 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,200 no one cares 926 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,500 if you need 10 seconds to gather your thoughts 927 00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:56,800 I promise I guarantee 928 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,166 like I have stood on so many stages 929 00:32:59,166 --> 00:33:01,133 but also been in so many audiences 930 00:33:01,333 --> 00:33:03,400 and when someone is on stage 931 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,233 everyone is rooting for you 932 00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:08,100 people aren't trying to watch so that they can laugh 933 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:09,300 if you trip up and fail 934 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:10,600 I went to this brilliant conference 935 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,633 a couple of years ago that was like 936 00:33:11,633 --> 00:33:13,900 a women in business conference in Manchester 937 00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:15,633 and there it was 938 00:33:15,633 --> 00:33:17,166 for a lot of the women that were going on stage 939 00:33:17,166 --> 00:33:19,566 it was their first time ever and they were so nervous 940 00:33:19,566 --> 00:33:20,866 we were speaking about it before 941 00:33:20,866 --> 00:33:24,566 they were really nervous really terrified and it 942 00:33:24,566 --> 00:33:26,633 but the whole audience was rooting for them 943 00:33:26,633 --> 00:33:28,200 and there was a couple of times where like 944 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,466 one of the women on stage would forget their words 945 00:33:30,466 --> 00:33:31,966 and would say out loud oh sorry 946 00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:33,000 I forgot my words 947 00:33:33,066 --> 00:33:35,066 and everyone would just clap and cheer and be like 948 00:33:35,066 --> 00:33:35,600 we've got you 949 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,466 we've got this cause that's how people feel no one 950 00:33:39,466 --> 00:33:41,500 I guarantee no one if you go back to that stat 951 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:43,500 about 77% of people 952 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,800 having it as one of their biggest phobias 953 00:33:45,833 --> 00:33:49,200 I think the stat actually is that 75% of people 954 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:52,466 fear public speaking more than they fear death 955 00:33:52,566 --> 00:33:54,333 75% of people 956 00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:56,933 and so people aren't watching you thinking 957 00:33:57,033 --> 00:33:58,433 oh my god I hope they fail 958 00:33:58,433 --> 00:34:00,366 isn't it gonna be funny if they skip a word 959 00:34:00,366 --> 00:34:01,633 oh she's really bad at that 960 00:34:01,633 --> 00:34:03,366 oh he can't deliver that thing 961 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,200 instead everyone's just looking at you thinking wow 962 00:34:06,366 --> 00:34:07,833 I wish I could do that like 963 00:34:07,833 --> 00:34:09,600 I really wish I had the courage and confidence 964 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,166 to do that that's what a lot of people are thinking 965 00:34:11,166 --> 00:34:13,100 so just do it for yourself 966 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:15,400 like we're not trying to be perfect 967 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,200 get rid of the idea of perfection 968 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:19,833 and the confidence for presenting 969 00:34:19,833 --> 00:34:22,333 and public speaking will arrive 970 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,300 after you have the courage to do it 971 00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,666 when you're scared so put all those things into place 972 00:34:26,666 --> 00:34:27,766 let me know how it goes 973 00:34:27,766 --> 00:34:29,000 I'd love to hear in the comments 974 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000 and I'm gonna ask you a question in the comments 975 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,200 so wherever you're watching this 976 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,900 you should be able to comment on the episode 977 00:34:34,166 --> 00:34:36,933 tell me in the comments from a scale of 1 to 10 978 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,200 how confident do you feel with public speaking 979 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,866 and give me a number anywhere from 1 to 10 980 00:34:42,866 --> 00:34:43,866 and tell me why 981 00:34:43,866 --> 00:34:45,666 because I'd really love to hear from you 982 00:34:45,666 --> 00:34:48,033 I see and reply to every single comment 983 00:34:48,033 --> 00:34:49,900 we're still a relatively small podcast 984 00:34:49,966 --> 00:34:51,800 and it also just really helps us to like 985 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,400 understand what people need 986 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,066 so drop that in the comments 987 00:34:55,066 --> 00:34:55,866 but then other than that 988 00:34:55,866 --> 00:34:56,833 just thank you for listening in 989 00:34:56,833 --> 00:34:58,200 and I will see you next week