Will Stubbs (00:00)

to say how much potential data we have we do a terrible job at supporting golfers

the national golf foundation looked at this and I think only like 17 % of coaches ever speak to a person after they've been for a lesson. It's because they're just viewed as this short-term commodity they come looking for a quick fix. We need to change the whole narrative around

Kris Lynch (00:14)

Hmm.

Kris Lynch (00:48)

Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of the Golf Yourself Happy podcast with me, Kris Lynch, your host, founder, and head coach. I coach everyday recreational golfers to use their mind as their greatest asset, helping you to move from frustration to fulfillment and from anger to enjoyment and ultimately build a happier, healthier relationship with golf. Before we get into today's conversation,

If you're enjoying the podcast, please take a moment to follow or subscribe on your favorite podcast platform. That means that you will not miss a future episode and it'll help more everyday golfers discover the show and fall in love and stay in love with golf. Right, today's guest, folks, is Will Stubbs, head of education at Zen Golf. And even if you don't immediately recognize the name Zen, you've probably seen their technology.

Their moving greens feature on Sky Sports. They are used by some of the world's best golfers, including people like Justin Rose, Robert Macintyre to name but a few tour pros who personally own some of this technology and use it for their own preparation and game improvement. But what interests me most about Zen and Will is not so much.

The technology that they offer, it's the thinking behind their technology. Will specializes in learning and skill development, and together in this conversation we explore why your range game doesn't always transfer to the golf course, why play and experimentation matter, and what putting.

can teach us about learning and enjoyment. Most importantly though, I think, is what we talk about in relation to how golfers are coached. Let's face it, golf is full of quick fixes. Do this, change that, stop slicing. But there is a human being attached to every golf swing. And Will and I believe that great coaching should do more than simply fix golfers. It should help us

understand our old game, become curious, solve problems, and ultimately leave us more capable and empowered than we were when we first started. And that is where Will's work and mine here at Golf Yourself Happy really overlap. One final thing later this month Will and I will be joining up at the Belfry where we'll be filming with Zen's newly installed technology.

And putting some of today's ideas into practice. All of that will be filmed and published on the Golf Yourself Happy YouTube channel. So make sure you are subscribed Link is in the show notes But without any further ado, let's tee off and get into my conversation with Will Stubbs.

Kris Lynch (03:35)

well, Will Stubbs, welcome, to the Golf Yourself Happy podcast.

in teeing up this podcast conversation, pun entirely intended, by the way, we put

a problem statement front and centre of this conversation, which is that we see, we observe that golfers will often chase improvement, but in ways that doesn't always make golf enjoyable or actually makes it less enjoyable. So could you contextualise this for the viewer and the listener before you and I sort of get into the weeds with it a bit?

Will Stubbs (04:11)

Yeah for sure, think the beauty of golf is that every single shot is a different shot. You know, it's not a tee shot, but every single tee shot is a different tee shot. And the problem with that is that realistically...

every single time we have to solve a new puzzle but we don't appreciate that and that's because we've sort of come through this sort of old way in which we sort of try and educate ourselves so for example in terms of like we want a child to get really good at the alphabet we tell them to just A B C D E F G A B C D E F G it's through repetition we believe that repetition is sort of the be all and end all of getting good at something if you keep repeating something you'd be excellent at

element of specificity. But actually, know, and because of that, and this Howell idea with other things which are sort of perpetuated through that, 10,000 hour rule of deliberate practice, you know, there's people who have taken things and sort of used them in the wrong way.

and I think the way in which we think about game improvement is about doing the reps and moving away from actually you know if you look at how Finland and Scandinavian countries ⁓ sort of embrace learning it's a lot more through exploration and play and we don't believe that.

play can be deliberate and we don't believe that exploration has a space within deliberate practice or purposeful practice when actually you know appreciating those actually will help you become a better golfer quicker and you know

You know, that story alone of the 5,000 reps is a perfect example of what you'll probably see if you walked onto most driving ranges is people decoding or decomposing the golf swing into separate parts. The takeaway, the midpoint, you know, the P's. I don't even know how many P's there are anymore. When I grew up, there were six P's. think there's something like 14 P's or 21 P's. I don't know. But that's where people get to now. And people believe they have to master each P on the route to mastering the

Kris Lynch (06:00)

Hmph.

Will Stubbs (06:10)

swing you know and that's the problem is we end up playing golf swing rather than playing golf and I think that's where there's a big disparity between like enjoying this game and playing this game.

Kris Lynch (06:21)

Yeah, you know, just the other day I was having a conversation with PJ Pro called Ian Taylor, who's just featured in my podcast and him and I are going to hopefully start doing some work together. Me as the mindset coach. He's a swing coach. And one of the issues that he explained to me that we want to explore with his students is, which comes up often, is I can't take

my good stuff from the range out into the golf course. And when he said that, I thought I need to speak to Will about this when we go on this podcast,

Will Stubbs (06:53)

Mm-hmm.

Kris Lynch (06:54)

what's your perspective on this one and where this particular challenge has been presented to you before, how do we solve for it?

Will Stubbs (07:02)

Yeah, so I mean we call this a practice gap. Think of it as you've got practice here and you've got performance on the other side and between there is a chasm and the biggest problem is that chasm is deeper based on the environment which you play in, you know.

if you always hit off a mat and you're hitting in the driving range and there's always wind coming from one side of that driving range and you've got no targets on that driving range, no distance markers and you're using variable balls which don't provide any real feedback you're really in a very, we call that impoverished you know basically where you're practicing is poor

It's impoverished for multiple reasons, the sense of it doesn't, it's not really has a lot of fidelity to the golf course and what you're alluding to. There's not, there's no targets out there, there's no consequence out there, you know, and as such...

instead of your focus being on how well do i perform the shot or how do i solve the problem which is before me the only thing for you to solve becomes the golf swing so what you end up doing is you your focus away from solving what the golf course should be giving you to solving what you can only solve which is an internal focus about how you move this thing based on one thing only and that's how well does it strike how does it feel mean that's if you're stood there alone you've got no data

not got a camera on you, you're basically making a decision on how well does this club feel when it hits this golf ball and does this ball fly in a direction which I believe it should fly in and I think the closer we can make our practice environments to mimic the golf course both in how does it feel, how does it look

what are the key sort of what we class as affordances, what are the key opportunities within that environment, making sure that there's consequence, making sure that we have clear objectives when we step onto that practice environment.

that it aligns to the objectives which we're trying to achieve on the golf course. The closer we can make them, the better we will get at closing that practice gap up and fixing that practice gap. So that's ultimately the reason why sits behind Zen and Zen Green Stage and Zen Swing Stage is we're about trying to make you play and practice in a more representative environment. It's got to feel more realistic to the golf course.

And from my perspective, using something, say like putting, is a great example of that. Everyone goes to learn how to play this game, predominantly through putting, then maybe you'll go with your grandfather to the local golf club and they'll give you a putter because, you know, there's no real danger of missing that, you know, or hitting it. You get a lot of success quite early. And from our perspective, we see that as a great first touch into this game of golf.

Kris Lynch (09:24)

Mm.

Yeah, I often come back to, know, you and I both have got this learning and development background and in the corporate sector in L and D, you would often hear the 70-20-10 model get referred to. that and so, you know, if 70 % of what we learn in any given environment or domain or in this case, golf, let's apply it there.

Will Stubbs (10:02)

Yeah.

Kris Lynch (10:12)

70 % is learned on the job, the golf course you learn there.

you put the stuff into practice out there, but you are learning. And if we're spending too much of our time in a range environment, for example, and expecting that to translate directly onto the course then that's actually a problem in of itself as well. Let's move into the putting stuff now, Will,

because the segue here for putting something you were talking about play playfulness, and why certainly in our culture, maybe in the UK versus like a Scandinavia or in other parts of the world, that's not so prioritized or it's just not so prevalent.

Where I think of that and I think of putting together is when I did the community golf instructor training program a couple of years ago. I've got the little booklet right here in actual fact. So if you go through this and all the sort of like exercises that are in it, this is intended for kids, right? But there's games within that that I'm convinced that

Will Stubbs (11:09)

Mm.

Kris Lynch (11:13)

would be a benefit to adults to have a bit more fun and to practice their putting. But the reason I'm bringing that up is just because, well, it evidences your point, which is that putting is golf's first touch. Literally putting is pretty central to that entire learning experience, right? What is it about putting then?

Will Stubbs (11:27)

Hmm.

So the beautiful thing about putting is that everyone can put.

as a first touch of golf putting is so powerful that we should actually consider it like a game within the game and a game which we should really champion

we do famous putz for example. So if you go

on a zen you've got a playlist from the Masters the Ryder Cup the US Open the Open and you can relive the putts which those players hit inside and anyone can hit those putts and anyone can hit a putt from five feet you know not everyone can hit a six iron out of a bunker from 210 yards across a load of water and so me versus Tiger it's not gonna be much fun but maybe I could beat him on a maybe a nine foot downhill left to right who knows you know

I think there's a great opportunity for bringing people into the game like that and layering in, utilising technology to layer in gamification and challenge, making that challenge.

Kris Lynch (12:29)

Hmm.

So if you look at the science of happiness, there's a lot about making memories.

Will Stubbs (12:34)

Hmm.

Kris Lynch (12:35)

If I cast my mind back to some of my best memories in golf, which involve other people, it's draining long putts to win on the 18th in our mates Ryder Cup event. Or it's like, yeah, just like my putting in a match place or putting to get myself out of jail, basically, because I know it's my strength.

Will Stubbs (12:49)

Yeah.

Yeah. You think about the two biggest moments, you probably think three biggest moments in our sport. One, the conceded put by Jack Nicklaus. Two, Tiger Woods hitting the put at Torway Pines. And then maybe three when Justin Leonard hit that massive one to win it, to beat us on that massive comeback. You know, the big moments of this game.

Kris Lynch (13:13)

Mm.

Yes.

Will Stubbs (13:19)

majority of the time happen on the green and there's something being said for it being the last, it's the last shot of every round unless you pick the ball up and give up that you know and I think you know that element what you talked about you know it's that the memory which can come from that can be so powerful the resonance which that can hold for you

is so brilliant. think there's, you if we look back, you know, probably a lot of people have struggled with putting in life because it's so simple that they get so frustrated so easily. But actually, if we can just take up a lot of the layers back, as I mentioned, and put like a child and be free, it can be so incredibly fun and enjoyable.

Kris Lynch (13:49)

Mmm.

Will Stubbs (13:57)

you know like you say there's no point in getting on the green in 2-1-4-5 just to miss the eagle put as soon as you hold that eagle put that is a memory that is a memory that is stuck in there forever so yeah I agree

Kris Lynch (14:03)

now.

One other thing I've just thought of on putting.

You make me think about like fittings.

something that you've said in this conversation that's really stuck in my mind is how, you know, no two golfers.

have the same or every golfer has a has a variance or different putting stroke. So I guess from a fitting standpoint to me, this doesn't sound as simple as are you a blade guy or are you a mallet guy? Like what are the things that get factored into that? Will, when you're looking at fitting someone for a putter.

Will Stubbs (14:43)

I suppose first of all I think majority of putting happens on the flat and I think that's probably a bit of a negative element. If we consider that a human being, if you put me in a...

If you ask me to walk on grass and you ask me to walk on ice, I'm going to walk differently. And as soon as you change the slope, you're going to see a different motor pattern sort of emerge because, you know, your balance points are all changing. Your stance might change. You might get wider based on it being a quite severe slope. And that might impact on where your eye position is, which impacts on where your arm positions are. And I think, you if we actually adopt, you know, fitting on slopes as a real key principle because we need to fit in an environment which mimics

Kris Lynch (15:20)

Mm-hmm.

Will Stubbs (15:22)

the environment, I think that's one of the most important things. Secondly,

what have you used in the past, what's your preference, why did you use that? And all those different things. And I think a lot of the time, you know, it is a commercial aspect of the game, yes, we want to sell.

golf club we want to set up a fitting lesson but part of that lesson is understanding the human who stood in front of you.

Kris Lynch (15:35)

Hmm.

Will Stubbs (15:42)

So How do you feel on right to left versus left to right puts? How does that feel in terms of not just comfort, but also alignment? You know, do you feel aligned and do you feel like you can

repeat that but also is it repeatability of the stroke and the perception of your you know how you're targeting as well. There's so many different elements which go into fitting for a putter that I think is just sort of overlooked but in terms of a step-by-step process which I'd sort of advise is I'd say first of all let's see how you do with your current putter

in a more representative environment. Let's move you through a different selection of slopes and let's see how you solve that puzzle. And what I want to see is does your behaviour change from one slope to a different slope?

because that might actually indicate whether you're actually needing your putter or not. It might actually be about your routine. But actually on a right to left put you feel really confident versus left to right put and actually you dwell a little bit different. Your actual, way in which you build your stance is different and because you build your stance differently actually you're aiming differently or your club head is cut and you then are such you're overcompensating. There's lots of different layers to that. Then secondly then let's look at that bibliography. What putters have you used in the past?

Kris Lynch (16:24)

No.

Will Stubbs (16:52)

you know, what were your ones, why did you move from one to the other? And then from there then it's right, let's build that stroke around you as a human being.

Let's move you over these different slopes and see whether your eye position changes relative to the ball and where your hands like to hang naturally over these different slopes. And then from there, then you can go, right, let's fit it around those anchor points. You know, your anatomy is not really going to be changing much as a golfer. So right, where do your arms hang? If your arms are hanging here, let's put that as a point on the grip where we fit you to. So that when you put that club on the floor, that

putter is on the floor behind the ball, you know that you put your thumb on that point on that grip, you know that your eyes are going to be over the ball very consistently. Now we've built a consistent setup and we're the tool

to able to help you get in that repeatability of that process. I think it's easy, and obviously, we've got a new putter range out, bam, put that in your hand straight away. Or this one's zero torque, bam, put that in your hands away. Or this is a putter which this guy used to win the US Open.

Kris Lynch (17:52)

Thank you.

Will Stubbs (17:54)

and bam, that goes in your hands. We miss out the human and we jump straight to the tool and we're bothered about the tool rather than the human and why that tool might work for that human.

Kris Lynch (17:55)

Yeah, yeah.

So before you and I came on this podcast, we had a couple of chats and in one of them I had picked up on something.

that you had said on another podcast about a subject that fascinates me completely and led me partly to launching this brand Golf Yourself Happy because of this retention issue in golf. get fascinated about what are the reasons why and what are the feelings and emotions that sit behind the human who is the golfer.

deciding whether or not to stay in golf and often times what you you see in here is golfers leave the game because for example, they find the game too hard and frustrating or For instance the culture around golf is not the most Welcoming so there's there's kind of like that external factor of the cultural side of golf But that internal like what do I think about myself? What do I what do I say to myself?

what do you see as the responsibility of us as either coaches or people who are in the business of helping golfers helping humans therefore like what is what is good look like what could we do be doing more of or less of to really help golfers stay in the game.

Will Stubbs (19:21)

I think it just comes back to the point that this is, you know, we need to realise that this is a sport that if you play it, you will play it and you enjoy it, you will play it for the rest of your life. So instead of looking at the consumer as a short-term fix, a quick little bit of cash in the bank, a commercial product for you to quickly, you know...

sort of magnify you all while off in a very short amount of time you need to see them as you you moving away from sort of becoming sort of a mechanic within that setting to become in a mental you know we currently have this sort of culture on quick fixes and it's perpetuated through a lot of the content which we see on YouTube etc. and everything to be fair start off with you know your golf digest quick fixes how to hit X Y Z how to do this how to break eights

when and that's bred you know like bred a culture around right that person speaks to you you know as a I think

the national golf federation foundation looked at this and I think only like 17 % of coaches ever speak to a person after they've been for a lesson. It's because they're just viewed as this short-term commodity and the element is that they come looking for a quick fix. We need to change the whole narrative around that. If I'm going to play golf for the rest of my life and I come for you for a look, it's not a lesson, it's a learning journey and we go, right.

Kris Lynch (20:34)

Hmm.

Will Stubbs (20:51)

We're here, we're not fixing anything today, what we're going to do is we're going to make things a better world round at golf who enjoys a game of golf and will want to keep going back. What's that going to do in terms of our relationship? There's going to be a lot more connection, a lot more attachment, a lot more trust, a lot more belief and there's going to be a lot deeper relationship between how I'm learning the game and how that coach is helping me along that journey. They're moving them from that mechanic, come here and I'll fix your swing, do this, do that. I'm the authority, I'm the teacher who stood in front of the blackboard.

writing this down and you're the pupil sat in your single desk writing every word which I'm writing as long as you do what I tell you to do you will be good at golf. No, we're gonna figure this out together we need to move towards becoming more of a mentor you know and then

rather than someone who you go and drop your car off and pick up two hours later. You know, how many people, like hand on heart, know that when they hear, when their car goes into the garage to get fixed, knows exactly what the person who's done it has done. Hand on heart, they've got no idea. And that's very similar to what we do when we go for a golf lesson for a quick fix.

Kris Lynch (21:43)

Hmm.

No.

Will Stubbs (21:58)

you we're not actually doing any of the work and Liam Muclow who's one of our ambassadors he's just an amazing guy when comes to learning and he works across all sorts of sports he's actually doing something in baseball in Chicago at the moment he's got a great phrase the person who does the work does the learning and

unless we encourage people to actually do the work and get involved and engage in that then we're never going to do the learning because you know there's a difference between dropping your car off at the garage and then coming back two hours later and then actually sitting there with the person who's actually doing the work and going well you know this this is actually called this and this happens because of that and you know this has an impact on that and that's why that's borne out right well that's actually going to change the way which I drive my car so I don't need to come back as well so that you know next time I

Kris Lynch (22:34)

Hmm. Yeah, yeah.

Will Stubbs (22:44)

I understand why that is and we can fix a different problem rather than fixing the same problem every single time because it's actually the issue is me driving in a strange way. You know, when build this report and I think...

the more we can move along to that lines and maybe become coaches become more bit more like a personal trainer where we give you a bit more of a program you know this is your program rather than turn up going you know how do you play at the weekend let me have a look at let me look at a few swings and take this snapshot of five goal swings and go I know the issue I could

Kris Lynch (23:00)

yes ⁓

Will Stubbs (23:15)

The issue is probably lot more fundamentally sits between their coordination dynamics and what you might see in terms of the position of the golf club. It might be a lot different. If I had changed the slope, it would probably change the way which you swung the golf club as well. So this snapshot of five shots is not enough. So we need to develop a bit more of a personalized training plan. If I sat down with a personal trainer, it go, right, so what's your goals?

Kris Lynch (23:27)

Mm.

Will Stubbs (23:42)

where do you want to get to? Muscle, mass, what do you want in terms of somatotype, what we're looking at, what we're looking like in terms of your ability to be able to come to the gym on your own, what sort of support do you need when you do come on your own, do you need a written programme, do you need something in an app, do you need to know how we track stuff, what food are you eating, what's your nutrition, how are you carb loading, how are you managing your macros, what's your hydration like, here's a plan for lots of food, here's a plan on how you do

sessions on your own and then when we do a session together this is what we're going to do and it's going to be focused on X Y and Z and in four weeks time we're going to be doing this because we're doing it in a we're periodizing your learning we're periodizing the learning which your body's going to do so it can so it can adapt and that's what we're not doing as golfers we're not doing as a golf industry to say how much potential data we have we do a terrible job at supporting golfers terrible job

Kris Lynch (24:17)

Mm-hmm.

I, well said.

I agree with you. I think that was a very honest answer and I really appreciate that. And I'm sure my viewers and listeners will too. And, you know, will I think, you know, said it to you already, but I think my, listeners know that I'm, I'm about working the work that I do. I don't want it to operate in, in, in, in isolation or, ⁓ you know, in a vacuum. want to work collaboratively alongside others in the industry who share similar values to me. Now, by extension,

Will Stubbs (24:58)

Mm-mm. Yeah.

Kris Lynch (25:07)

⁓ I think golf coaches could do more to be more human centric. And that involves, you know, thinking about what yeah, what does drive the golfer and just sort of like you say that that follow up at 17 % of golf coaches don't do any sort of personal follow up. Did you say is that did I hear that right? Yeah, that there's an opportunity there. I don't want to.

Will Stubbs (25:25)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Only 17 %

actually follow up.

Kris Lynch (25:32)

Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean, right? So that's, that is scary. And rather than, I always like to try and frame this as like, you know, opportunities rather than, it is a problem, but there's a way of solving for that. And I hope the work that you and I have just started doing together here and even in this conversation starts to move the dial. I mean, one final thought on that.

Will Stubbs (25:33)

Yeah, yeah. That's just getting far.

Yeah.

Kris Lynch (25:53)

Because it's not just on the coaches, by the way, I think the coaching clients and the students have a responsibility as well to when you turn up a golf lesson and not to expect quick fixes, because if you're asking for quick fixes, the chances are that you've not applied the work that was given to you in the in the last lesson, for example. But there's another thing as well as like skill development, skill acquisition, curiosity.

is one of the best skills I think anyone can develop. I'm a big tennis guy as well, or at least I used to be before my fellow Scotsman Andy Murray retired. And Andy Murray, apparently, when he was coached by Ivan Lendl, Lendl said that Murray was, it used to drive him nuts, but he liked it, was Murray would always ask why. Murray would always be like,

Will Stubbs (26:40)

Hmm.

Kris Lynch (26:42)

Why is it that you're asking me to hit the forehand that way or why are we doing this specific drill? Because what he didn't want was to walk out of a practice session feel like he had no idea what the intended purpose and outcome was of that. He wasn't just going to be a yes guy and be like he was curious. He wanted to learn. He wanted to understand. Because even just being curious about what you're learning is fulfilling, rewarding and enjoyable, I think. So, yeah.

Will Stubbs (27:07)

Yeah,

massively. I think it comes back to the self-determination theory aspects. Anyone who's listening to this, just go and give it a Google. Go and get a Gemini pop-up. It will give you a brief overview. And read it, and then think about what we've spoken on this. And think about your own golf game and go, am I actually in an environment

that allows this to happen or am I actually putting myself in an environment which encourages this to happen? And then how does my goal feel related to this? Because do you feel like you have autonomy? Do you feel like you have competence? Not only in the ability for you to play, but the competence for you to be able to solve problems.

Kris Lynch (27:47)

Mm-hmm.

Will Stubbs (27:47)

because that goes back to what you just talked about Andy Murray because what he wants to know is that right if I've hit this forehand in this way and it's gone in this direction why did it go in that direction because I need to be able to solve that problem on my next forehand and that's similar to what we do in the golf course we need to be able to self-solve all the time and Carl Morris talks about this brilliantly he says every single golf shot is a puzzle

So if we want to get really good at puzzles, we need to solve puzzles. the problem with golf is that we don't get the same puzzle twice. And ultimately, the better a golfer you are, the less puzzles you'll have to solve. So if you hit 100 as you're around a golf, you've got 100 puzzles to solve, whether it's a five foot put or whether it's a drive over some water, it's a different puzzle. So we need to encourage people to solve them puzzles. So for us to be able to become

self-develop autonomy, competence and relatedness and connectedness to that game. We need to be able to find a way in which we can solve the puzzles for ourselves. Unless the environment and the people which you're working with within this environment are helping you to achieve that, then maybe you need to think about changing the way in you, the environment which you're in. And that might be the people which you play golf with, it might be the people which you go for a lesson with, but it also might be the way in which, well, the you touched on, how do you put yourself

Kris Lynch (28:44)

for sure.

Yes.

Will Stubbs (29:04)

in that environment. you turning up expecting results or are turning up part of wanting to be good and wanting to be part of that journey? Because there's no one who turns up saying I want to lose weight, I'm going to do one gym session and it's going to be alright, but we turn up for a session on the diving range expecting that one session is going to sort our round of golf out. Learning is non-linear, you know.

We'll go in peaks and troughs and we'll go round in circles sometimes but as long as we commit to that journey we'll enjoy it more, we'll develop ourselves as human beings more, we'll develop that self-awareness and social awareness through that and I think ultimately develop a better culture which sits behind the game of golf which ultimately makes happier golfers.

Kris Lynch (29:47)

Indeed it does. And that's where our missions overlap, think, Will. So brilliant conversation. Thank you very much for coming on. Any links you'd like me to put into to the show notes for my viewers and listeners to find you?

Will Stubbs (30:01)

Found me a majority of my content which my brain just sort of like onto page. So if you go to our website zen.golf at the top there's something called resource click on that and there's lots of different areas of the game which I discuss. In there there's loads of different blogs as well as podcasts and videos which have been on.

Then also on our social media, our social media channel is at Zen Green Stage, so that's Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, a lot of our content's on there. And then if you want to find me on LinkedIn as well, I also post quite a bit on there. More just from my personal account, lots of just rambles, lots of things, talking about very similar stuff about this, which hopefully, you know, if you want to connect further and talk about some other bits or, you

flag up and drop me a direct message, find me on there, think I'm Will Stubbs at Zen Golf or something like If you're watching this one you'll just find a little picture of me on there so it should be easy to find.

Kris Lynch (31:02)

Well, many thanks to Will for what was a really great conversation. And if there's one thought I'm gonna leave you with today, it is this do not be a passive recipient of golf coaching. Be curious, ask questions, understand why you're working on something, and don't expect yourself or your coach, for that matter, to fix your golf in a single hour. As Will said, learning is not linear.

And perhaps learning isn't something we simply have to tolerate on the way to becoming a better golfer. Perhaps it's part of what makes golf worth playing in the first place. If you'd like some personalized support with the mental side of your game, I offer one-to-one coaching for everyday golfers who want to enjoy golf more, build confidence, and perform more consistently under pressure. You can book a free 30-minute discovery call with me using the link in the show notes.

And don't forget, we'll be back together, Will and I, at the Belfry later this month putting some of today's ideas into practice. So make sure you're subscribed to the Golf Yourself Happy YouTube channel. Link in the show notes for that as well, so that you get to see that when it's released later. Thanks as always for watching or listening. And until the next time,

always remember to put your happiness first.

And your handicap later.