>> Jonathan: You guys out there that just hit play, you're tuning in

to a fresh new June episode

of Chasing Birdies. And I'm joined

today by my favorite co host

and co golfer. And

whatever you are, bud. Jp.

>> RB: What's shakin, bacon?

>> Jonathan: It's good to see. I heard you got the flu. Your wife texted me, said

you had 104 degree temperature.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: And you know, you're howling to the moon and like that,

so it's good. I'm happy to see you.

>> RB: Yes. Um, went to the chiropractor

today. Got a little work done on my. My shoulder

from mulching. I pinched the

nerve. I mean, so I

actually did manual labor once and I got hurt. So

needless, um, to say, it was one and done. I don't know how people

do it. Much respect to those people that do do that.

Uh, but I'm done. Um,

officially, I. Hang it up.

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Um, but it was good seeing

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a blast.

>> Jonathan: Yeah, it, it's uh, yeah. And

great track, great track.

I want to comment on the manual labor situation here because

I don't think that people realize

like us, you and me specifically, we

do our fair share of manual labor. There's no doubt about it.

>> RB: Mhm.

>> Jonathan: I definitely do. I know you just started, but

we definitely do not pay the landscapers enough respect.

Dude. Dude, like out in the heat

shoveling shit out of trailers, spreading the

mulch.

>> RB: I mean, my man mix stash is a

workhorse.

>> Will Davidson: Huh?

>> Jonathan: Uh, but how about the Mexicans? Dude, they just,

they will work 16 hours and

never stop.

>> RB: Not about an eye. I did it Friday, Saturday,

and I was down Sunday, Monday

and most Tuesday.

>> Jonathan: So I think with golf, you know when you start

fooling around with muscles that you don't typically use.

>> RB: Exactly.

>> Jonathan: Could you have swung a golf club.

>> RB: After you did actually air swung it?

>> Jonathan: And uh, no,

it's. It's tough. It's absolutely, it's tough.

So, um, so hats off to the landscapers out there. We love y'

all. But, um. But yeah, man, we had a good time

down there with a couple boys of Pete Dye and moving

right along into this crazy Month of June. I know you

have, uh, some member guests coming up, one specifically out

of town here in the next couple weeks.

>> RB: Next week, actually, I'm at Old Hickory the week of

the U.S. open. U.S. open comes to town, I leave

town. So, um, playing with

old Cole Taylor and I, I. Little bird told

me that Tyler Reeve is in our flight, so I'm

sure that'll be a bloodbath. I just need to know which coal I'm

gonna get in that match. Hopefully it's early in the morning, because if it's

later, afternoon could potentially

be trouble with. With the booze flowing and all that.

>> Jonathan: So I was, uh, watching

a little bit of the tournament Sunday, and,

um, I was in no way, shape or

form surprised that Scotty Scheffler pulled it

off. And with him coming to

Oakmont for the first time, playing in the US Open at Oakmont,

I mean, he's got to be the

favorite.

>> RB: You would think. You would think.

Um,

I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one. Um, I'm

going with Bryson.

>> Jonathan: Well, he's the only one. I was having this discussion yesterday.

Of all the live players, the only person right now,

in my opinion, and I think a lot of people would agree, the

only person that can handle playing against Scheffler

is Bryson, period. Nobody else can touch

him.

>> RB: No.

>> Jonathan: So it's gonna be fun at Oakmont. Everybody's saying it's gonna be

over. I think someone's gonna be in the red.

>> RB: Did you see, uh, Adam Scott, what he did

on,

um, Monday

of this week? He was out at Oakmont

and on the front nine, he hit seven of seven fairways

and he shot three over.

>> Will Davidson: Really?

>> RB: Mhm. So he hit all seven fairways in

the front nine and shot three over. So it

might be, um. I think you're.

You're gonna be in for a dog fight here.

Um, the one thing in those

guys, I mean, it's not, you

know, you get an amateur in the bunkers at Oakmont, they try to

hit this miraculous shot because they're never coming back. And

they're in the bunker for three hours. Um,

but they can cause a

problem out there because even if you're punching out, you got to be accurate with

your punch outs out there because you got six inch rough now.

>> Will Davidson: Right?

>> RB: Um, so

I don't know. It's good. It's gonna, it's gonna be fun. It's gonna.

I. It's gonna be a bloodbath. I was watching a lot of the.

The Monday qualifying or the. The Monday,

uh, US Open to get to it. And,

um, man, it's crazy how good these kids are. I mean, you got

15 year olds shooting 16 under, 14

under, and a qualifier to get to the Open. I

know that's, you know, the dentist from

Pittsburgh. Uh, he's from Pittsburgh, caddy

to Oakmont, lives in,

um, Indiana now. Friend of Eric

Childers. He's playing in the US Open. He

qualified. Uh, so it's gonna be kind of cool to see that

storyline. Unfortunately, Shipley did not qualify.

Ricky Fowler did not qualify. Max

Homa out. Um, they're

Padre Harrington out.

>> Jonathan: Um, which he's lighting it up in a qualifier.

>> RB: I did not see if. I think Ian

Poulter's son was.

He went to a playoff for one spot, but I didn't see if

he got in. So, um, that'd be kind of cool to see him.

He's a stud dude. University of Florida, so.

Yeah, but it is gonna be fun. And it's

cool to see the course because we know it. I

haven't played in the last two years. Um, but

it's. It's going to be a fun one to watch.

>> Jonathan: Yeah. And, you know, next week we'll. We'll do. We'll do our picks,

bud, because now with this third major of the year,

we'll get hot again. We took a break for the pga, but we'll get

back right at it.

Like the US or, I'm sorry, like the Masters.

Um, lugging the bag around on that course is no easy

jaunt either. And, uh, I don't

think any course really, for that matter, when you're on the bag.

Like our guest today, Will Davidson, who's joining us

here on Chasing Birdies Carried, uh, for a lot

of players, um, from Ashke Batia,

uh, to Lexi Thompson to Beef

Johnson, um, to other

Frank Licklider. A whole bunch of cats, dude.

Um, and he tells some great stories. And

just like I mentioned, the landscapers,

sometimes the caddies don't get enough credit. And sometimes

caddies like Max Homa said, I'd better off

alone.

>> RB: Yeah. So, um, he's got

some great stories. He's actually got a story in this podcast

coming, uh, up, uh, from Shinneco and Phil

Mickelson, if you all remember that day. So

without further ado, I think that we should roll it right on over

to him and get it done.

>> Jonathan: Here we go. We got a guy

by the name of Will Davidson

here on Chasing Birdies this week. And Will has been all over

the world. Unfortunately, or fortunately for you, you

haven't carried the bag for me yet, Will. Um,

but you've done it for a lot of guys on PGA Tour and

ladies, LPGA Tour,

uh, and has been around the world carrying the bag,

doing what you do. So here we are, man.

And you're on the show today, man.

>> Will Davidson: Hey, first off, I appreciate you guys having me on. This is, uh.

This is awesome. Long time coming, but,

uh, yeah, I still haven't caddy for you, man. It's. It's

a bit of a disappointment.

>> RB: It's a process, bud.

>> Will Davidson: I mean, you know,

the process.

Hey, that's what we're good at, though. You know, that's. Anybody. Any

caddy can carry the bag, can pick a club for you,

you know, tell you how far it is, but it's the ones that, uh, could

get you around the course mentally.

>> Jonathan: That's what makes you a caddy, you know,

And. And I gotta thank real quick our boy sp for

linking us up. You know, Steve, he does some good

things every now and then. It's not true what they say about him. I always say

it's not true what they say about you, Steve. There's some good in

you.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah, Steve is, uh. Steve is one of the good ones.

Uh, he probably didn't tell you that. I, uh, did take

him for a couple up, uh, a couple weeks ago up

in, uh, Jersey. No, he didn't fail to

mention that one.

>> RB: Yeah, I do appreciate. He'll

leave that out all the time, so don't worry.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah, well, hey, Steve, I appreciate the, uh, the invite. Thanks for letting me

stay at your house. Appreciate the golf.

>> Jonathan: I'm surprised he didn't invite himself to your house.

Um.

>> RB: What.

>> Jonathan: Let me ask you something. The last time I talked to Steve, he was telling me how good

his game was. So he clearly left out his round with you.

>> Will Davidson: To be fair, his game is on point. It is

on point. He is, uh. He's striping it

nice. Had a couple wayward ones off the tee,

but, man, I mean, it was. I want to

say, I think he still hit like 12

or 14 fairways, but the wayward ones were the ones that got him.

The two that he missed were the ones that got.

>> RB: Yeah, that's a cold top or a hide, right?

Um, yeah, it's like four

fairways over. I did. I saw him on a par 3,

two par threes. He was on, um. We were

playing number five, and he was on seven green on a par three,

and then, um, another par three, which I don't even

know how somebody can get there

because the Trees were so high. He was

over these trees in the next fairway on a par

three.

>> Will Davidson: That is, uh, that's standard sp,

uh, is from the, the few times I play with him, that's a

standard SP T shot.

>> Jonathan: So, yeah, I've seen a lot I.

>> Will Davidson: Will give him though. Most of them, though, are actually pretty good. Most of his two

shots are pretty solid.

>> RB: I will, I, I beat him up too much, so I will

compliment him. His game has gotten better.

It has gotten better over the last four or five years. But here's

my thing, dude, like, and I've told him this, and you've seen

enough pro golf to know just because

you played well once doesn't mean you're playing well, my man.

And so then he goes into his event saying how good he's going

to play and how he's going to win. Well, you've set these expectations

that aren't like, you have no

past that shows you can play well and

win.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah, no, I mean, exactly right.

>> RB: He has won a couple. He has won a couple. I will tell him that.

>> Will Davidson: And I'll tell you this. I got to give more credit to him. Here

is we had a little match play going and I was

up, I was up, uh, like five

with seven to play. And

it came down the last hole. It came down,

but he absolutely turned it on.

And that's just started throwing darts out of

nowhere. And I got to give it to

him. I mean, granted, I still take it, you know, get away with a one up

win here. But it was, it was

dicey there for a minute.

>> RB: So let me ask you something. Uh, you beat

him, and this is a go to move for him.

You beat him, he

doesn't give you the cash. He said, hey man, I'll give you, I'll send you a box.

What's your sizes? And then,

and then you like eight months later, you're

like, hey, dude, that box that you're gonna

send, it's never come.

Like, the box has never come.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah, I've had a few of those boxes that have, uh,

that have just disappeared in the mail. And man, you know, lost that

transit. No, I did lost it. Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Yeah.

>> Will Davidson: You know, it's funny.

>> RB: Oh yeah.

>> Will Davidson: Oh yeah. I've sent a few back where he was just like, like, he's like, hey

man, my wife was looking for this and with one

of my companies, I got a skincare company and I,

I always used to send her some skincare. She really likes it.

And he basically was like, hey man,

I'll. I'll send you a box, but I'm gonna need some of that back. I'm like,

yeah, no problem. I'll get the box like

four weeks later. Man, I totally forgot about that box.

I'm sorry. It must have got lost in the mail. I'll send you another one.

So it's happened both ways. So we give it back and forth

or.

>> RB: Or the box shows up and like, Steve, I'm a size

medium. You sent me xls, bud. Yeah, like, what am

I gonna do with these?

>> Will Davidson: I mean, his last two boxes, somebody.

>> RB: Else, he, he sent me a few ladies gloves,

like, but this is ladies medium.

>> Jonathan: The last box I got was fire. And that's

how I'll leave it at that. He. He did good. He did good.

>> Will Davidson: So I, the last box I got was, was fire

as well. Um, some six

shirts.

>> RB: Nice.

>> Will Davidson: A, ah, couple of gloves in it. Um, fact, he gave me a

pair of shoes actually, and I might get in trouble for that.

>> Jonathan: Uh, incredible.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah, it was a pair of shoes that was sent to him

by another company that he wasn't able to wear.

And it just so happened that it worked out perfectly for

me, so I snagged a few. Although he said he was supposed to send. If he sees

this, he said he was going to send me a couple of the pairs that, uh, you couldn't

fit. So I'm still waiting on those.

>> RB: Well, it's funny, the shoes too. I've. I've heard about

these blue and white 12 Jordans that he has.

They don't fit me. I'll send them to you, cuz. But that

was two years ago, so I just let it go. It doesn't matter

to me. If it shows up, great. If it doesn't,

uh, we're in the same boat. So we'll edit all this

out. We'll cut all the Steve Piering talk out and,

um, no, we'll keep moving along.

>> Jonathan: Keep it, keep it, keep it. But that's okay. So pivoting off

that, you know, will, you know, I do

oftentimes have some

sympathy or I can empathize with caddies if I'm playing in

a group and we have caddies and there's just

one person in the group. And I'm not bringing this up just because we were

talking about Steve. I just want to make that clear. But from the

caddy's perspective, you know, you got that one guy in that group

that just can't hit a damn fairway.

I mean, he's left. He's so far left, he's

past Pelosi. You know what I mean? I mean, he's.

Then he's right. And I feel bad

for caddy sometimes, dude. You know, like, the one caddy we had at

Sage Valley, I gave my man my. My drink. I mean, granted, I

couldn't drink it anymore, but I felt bad for him. I was kind of beating him up

a little bit. I said, bud, here, uh, have the rest of my. My

transfusion bud. And he took it well, Graciously.

>> RB: Well, I feel like that's something like the expectations you set

right as a caddy, because I caddied in, uh, in

college at a country club here, and

I would just walk down the middle of fairway, set the bags down here and let them

take their clubs and go. Because I'm not going back and forth. I

got one right, one left. Here you go.

>> Jonathan: You would be an awful caddy, dude.

>> RB: I'm a good.

>> Jonathan: No, you're a good caddy because you logical. But when it comes

to patience with dealing with someone, dude, you would be you. They'd be.

You'd be done.

>> RB: That's why I. That's why I got to the point and just stood in the middle of the

fairway. Here's your clubs. Take what you need.

>> Will Davidson: Coming over there, I'm gonna tell you what. Patience. You gotta have some

serious patience as a caddy, because as a club

caddy or a tour caddy, because there's gonna be

days that just suck, and

you just gotta stay patient, grin and bear it, deal with

it. And yeah, that's. That's definitely a huge

part of being a caddy, I can assure you there. But

like you said, days when you have guys that go

right, left, whatever, all over the place,

you want to help them in the best way you can by

like, saying, like, hey, man, you know, you're

doing this or you're trying to. You want to try and fix your swing a little bit, or this

is going to help you just a little bit, but at the same time, you don't want to

embarrass them and be like, dude, you suck.

Like, I really need you to change something here,

because I'm not doing this all day. So it's

kind of a fine line that you gotta. Gotta cross there. But, yeah,

patience, man, that's. That's a big part of it.

>> RB: Well, this. This caddy story I'm sure you've heard

on the PGA Tour, and I believe it was Woody

Austin. He had missed, like, six cuts in a

row, and he hit his second shot in

the water, and he said, I'm so effing

mad I could break this club. And his caddy said, why don't you try breaking

par?

>> Will Davidson: Yeah. Yeah.

>> RB: And he got fired right on the spot.

Yeah, he got fired right on the spot and,

and brought somebody out of the crowd, so.

>> Will Davidson: Mm, mhm. I've actually seen that happen once

on the golf course

on tour at a tour event. Caddy

dropped the bag. Middle was tired of his

player, dropped his bag on the 8th hole, 8th

tee box, which was ironically the farthest point from

the clubhouse. Dropped, uh, the bag and said,

here's your bag, here's your bib, here's your

yardage book. I'm done. And walked in.

It was a pretty epic. Yeah. And guy

grabbed somebody out of the, out of the crowd and said, hey, bud,

you're gonna caddy for me the rest of the day today.

And tell you what, one of the funniest things I've

ever seen, also one of the most crazy

things I've ever seen.

>> RB: Um, is that, is that caddy still out there?

>> Will Davidson: That caddy is still out there. He is. And

ironically, he and that player have mended

some fences. They don't work together anymore, but they've mended the, the

fence. And they're still buddies. Are apparently

still, still buddies. Yep. But it was one of those, that

it was a situation. He kind of, kind of told me

pre round, he was like, hey,

I'm pretty sick of what's going on here. There's a chance I

dropped the bag today. I was like, all right, you know, like, I'm in,

I'm ready to see it. And seventh

hole player bladed one out of the

bunker and blamed it on him. And he was like,

all right, got the eight dropped bag, said,

I'm out, see you later. And what's funny,

this is even funnier though. So the guy I was working, so I was working

for Andrew, uh, Johnson Beef at the time.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Oh yeah, Arby's.

>> Will Davidson: Oh yeah, we, yep, we have the meats.

And so Beef had. We were

the last to put out on the seven. He put it

out and he'd like stop by the bathroom or something like that on the

way to the next tee box. So I'd gotten in the tee box, seen all

this happen. He had not seen it. He

gets up there and uh, and

you know, just standing there or whatever and didn't even, didn't even

notice that the caddy was gone. And he looks up, he's

like, that looks like his caddy there.

Guy walking up the fairway walking up the car path, he's like, oh, that looks

like his caddy there. And I was like, it is.

He's like, huh, Uh, I guess. No, it is. Look. He

turns and looks. He sees the bib on the ground. He sees. See

the book, the yardage book on the ground. And he's like,

oh my gosh, what just happened? So I told him and it

was, we just laughed about it the whole way up the next fairway. I mean,

it was, it was fantastic.

>> RB: So did you caddy for Beef? Uh, because he had a great

U.S. open here, uh, in Pittsburgh. It's at

Oakmont. I, um, think it's the year

that Dustin Johnson won. He had a great

finish, that one.

>> Will Davidson: I was not with him there. Um, I was with him

not long after that. Um, so I started

with Beep just after, um,

he played really well in the British, the Open over there

when Phil and Henrik went back and forth and shot

like what, 17 under or whatever it was. And

next closest was 13. I think beef actually finished third

or fourth that week. Um,

but, uh, yeah, I worked with him right after that. So

the US Open I did with Beef. We've got a good

story with that one too. I mean, we're just getting straight into story time

here.

>> Jonathan: Let's do it.

>> Will Davidson: This is, this is one of my, I don't want to say claim to fame,

but this is definitely a story that

nobody else has. And I did the US

Open with Beef at Shinnecock.

And if you remember, that year

was a very controversial year

with how hard and fast the greens were and how they refused

to water the greens. That event.

>> RB: Mhm.

>> Jonathan: Is that the year Phil kind of just got fed up?

>> Will Davidson: That was the year that Phil got fed up and hit the running

putt. Basically said, yeah, played Plinko back and forth or whatever,

Ping pong back and forth. Um, but that story is,

is on Saturday we were paired with Phil.

I was in the group when Phil did that.

Beef and I were playing with Phil the day that he

hit those running putts and basically said,

I'm done. I was in the group

that day, so I had a first hand experience

and was one of the only one of two people

that have heard what Phil said as he walked off that grave.

>> RB: So what did he say?

>> Will Davidson: Oh, yeah, he was. Well, first off, he was, you

know, everybody said that, like, oh, he did it on purpose. He just wanted

to give the middle finger to the usga.

Um, and I, I don't

think that that's. I think that's partially True. But I

also know that when he finished hitting the putt

and finished the, the, you know, the hole and we started

walking off, obviously Beef and I were like,

what just happened? And he's like, honestly,

guys, I don't know what I made right there. We can add

him up, but I don't know what I made. I'm just.

I'm tired of being out here. Essentially, what it was. And it was his birthday that day

too, so everybody was singing Happy Birthday.

>> RB: Which is kind of funny.

>> Will Davidson: Um, but yeah, it's. Everybody's saying

that, you know, like, he was. He did it on purpose and

knew that he was going to get a two shot penalty and knew that,

you know, knew the rules and all that. In my opinion. I

don't, I don't think that was the case. I think it was just

simply. I'm tired of going back and forth and back

and forth. And that ball was definitely going back into the fairway

after he hit that third or fourth putt, whatever it was.

And I, I truly believe

that he just did it because he was so tired of being out

there and this golf course was so bad and so

hard that day that he just was like,

all right, I'm done. But the fact that he did, you know, come out

afterwards and said, I did it on purpose and all that,

um, I don't believe that. So.

But, uh, yeah, the funniest part, I'll.

>> RB: Tell you this much, the funniest part of that

whole.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah, I mean, I, I like Phil. I've never had

any issues with Phil. He's always been great to me. Tim,

his brother, um, who's on the bag, was fantastic.

Um, but, you know,

like, we have nothing in common. Phil and I have absolutely nothing in

common. And so it's just not really a.

He's not a guy that I'm gonna walk up to and

shoot the, shoot the, talk with him and just be like,

oh, right, how's your day? You know, what's. What's going on in your life?

Like, it's not gonna be one of those. But the funniest part of that, that whole

day, that story was after he hit the running putt,

right, and he lifted out and,

you know, it went to about another 4, 3,

4ft, walks up and marks it, goes, looks at Beef and

goes, I'll wait. And Beef looked at me

and was like, what are we doing

right now? And I was like, well, there's no way we're making this six footer

for par. Not a chance. Uh,

which we didn't we absolutely did. So

it was. It was quite funny.

>> RB: A lot of people. A lot of people forget that

John Daly did that in 1999 U.S. open at

Pinehurst. On 17, the par three,

um, he hit one up. It came back. Hit one up, came back, and

he just. The ball was still rolling. He just

smacked it straight across the green.

Um, so that was kind of

funny. I think his was more frustration

than Phil's was.

>> Will Davidson: Right.

>> RB: Right.

>> Will Davidson: But at U.S. open, that day was.

Was the hardest golf conditions

I've ever been a part of. Those

greens were impossible. If. If you go back and look,

there's only two guys that shot under par that day,

um, and it was Daniel Berger and Tony Finau. And they

were the first two guys out, and they both shot one

under. They moved up 46, 42

to 46 spots by shooting one under on

Saturday at the U.S. open. And we're the only two that shot under par that

day.

>> Jonathan: Wow.

>> Will Davidson: Well, that tells you how hard it was.

>> RB: You know, one week from today is Thursday

of the U.S. open in Oakmont. And, um, that's

what people, uh, I've talked to.

I, um, just saw Matt Killen, uh, at a

Troubadour a few weeks ago, and he said all his tour guys said

it's the hardest venue because they've gone into

play some of it.

Um, they said it's. There's gonna be nobody under

par for this, and that's what Oakmont wants. Oakmont

wants it to be the hardest golf course ever

in U.S. open history. And apparently,

um, it's heading that way. But, you know,

if it rains, it could soften it up or

whatever. So, um, it'll be interesting to see here in about

a week.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah, no, it will be. It'll be a true

test, uh, for these guys. I think that's such a great

track. Um, I'm excited to see. See

how it goes. I'm also excited about Ryder cup this year at Beth

Page, because that's another sick spot.

Um, Beast, that Page. Beth Page. I did the

PGA there, and, man, it was

brutal.

>> Jonathan: So what? Uh, so you.

>> Will Davidson: You.

>> Jonathan: You kind of had a stint with Beef, and I'm sure you got some other stories

with him. So what? And Lexi. You're with Lexi. What? You know,

I mean, what other. What other cats. I know. I understand

you're very close with Smiley Kaufman. I think you told me that

you kind of grew up with him or started with him out

of Alabama maybe, or something to that effect.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah, grew up with Smiley. Grew, um, up playing

against him in junior golf and middle, uh, school,

high school. Uh, we have to kind of rival high schools.

Uh, but yeah, I grew up with him. And quick story how

I got into caddy and was. Was all because of him.

Um, I, uh, I had just had shoulder surgery. I

just finished at Auburn and, uh, just had shoulder

surgery and was bored

sitting in my house. And I went to a Birmingham Barons baseball

game, of all things random. I never go to those.

And I just was like, I got to get out of the house. Went to the game, ran into

him in the stands. He's like, man, what are you doing now?

Obviously I was still in a sling. And I was like, well, obviously nothing.

But, uh, he's like, well, I'm turning pro

in like two months. You want to come caddy form a Q school?

I was like, yeah, ah, sure, why not? I can do that carry on my left.

Why not? Right? Well, we go and do first stage Q School

1. First stage, he had an 80 foot eagle putt on the

last hole to win first stage of Q school,

which is crazy. We actually didn't know we won until we were

two hours down the road. Which it didn't matter because you just had to get

through, like, top 15 or top 19, I think gets through.

And then we go to second stage, finish fourth and second stage, and finish

like 60th and final stage, um, which got

him conditional on the Korn ferry. And then

our first full event, he got a sponsor exemption into

Louisiana, the Chitimacha Open.

And, uh, we finished fourth that week. And

I made like four or five grand. I was like,

this is easy. Like, this is the easiest thing ever.

Uh, 100% gonna keep doing this.

Obviously it is not always that easy and you're not always gonna

finish fourth. But, uh, yeah, that's how I got my start with,

with Gaddy was smiley. So,

yeah.

>> Jonathan: And then from that, like, I don't understand the ranks. Like, we've

had Joey Scovering on, um,

Skoverin, and we've had, uh, what other

caddy we have? Oh, Greg Bodeen. Oh, yeah,

Bryson's caddy.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: Um, but I don't want, like, is

there rankings within the caddy system or is it just a

matter of luck? Like, you get other words. Could

someone just call you right now and know that you were a caddy and like,

hey, man, like, I'm looking for someone?

>> Will Davidson: Sure, absolutely. And it's, it's definitely.

I wouldn't say there's, yes, there's ranks, but it's not like an Actual

ranking system, you know, like, like Joe's obviously a fantastic

caddy, Greg is as well. Um, and

you know, but I could easily get a phone call from,

you know, I mean if, if

Joe got hurt and uh, Ludwig needed

somebody, you know, love it and I, we're buddies and again, he's

most likely not going to call me, but at the same time,

would it totally catch me off guard? No, because a

lot of these guys are, are, you know, we're out there with the same

guys every single week. We get to know each and every player, we

play with them a ton. Um, kind of everybody knows

everybody out there. So yes, there's a ranking

of, you know, the guys who are, who are on the

big bags right now and obviously they're going to be the sought after

guys. Yeah, but you know, like, I've

still worked with a lot of guys that have been successful. I mean

countless top tens and top fives and all

that. And you know, it's, there's tons of guys out there with great

resumes. Um, and again, like I said

earlier, everybody is, is good at caddying

when it comes to grabbing, grabbing the bag,

carrying the bag, getting the yardage, stuff like that. But it's

the guys with the mental, the

mental ability to control their

player in the good and the bad. Those are the

guys that stand out and those are the guys that normally rise to the top.

>> Jonathan: But I think that's one of the hardest traits about

caddying and it might get overlooked is the

fact that, you know, for us amateur golfers, we know what the number

is. I mean, you got to step it off. If your guy hits

a tee shot or I like it pulls a Steve Piering off.

Now you gotta, you gotta do geometry on the course,

basically.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah.

>> Jonathan: You got this angle and, and literally it's

like at that point you're almost like

guesstimating, you know.

>> Will Davidson: Yeah, absolutely. And it's hard for ams.

Obviously you've got a rangefinder and on tour we don't

have that. And that's a whole nother discussion. Obviously. I

know people are going back and forth that should range finders be allowed,

etc. But I mean, realistically though,

as a, as a tour guy. Yeah. When we hit one offline or

we hit one, you know, in the, in the trees,

you got to do some, you got to do some math, you got to do some,

you know, some angles that, that Pythagorean theorem

that, that none of us ever thought we'd use back. Yeah.

In third grade it's it's definitely something

that we do.

>> RB: So give us a list of the players that you

have caddied for. Even if it was

one. One event.

>> Will Davidson: That'S a long list. But, uh, yeah, we've.

I've been super fortunate to work with a lot of

guys. Um, I'll give you the rundown of

start to finish. Well, Dom Bozzelli was actually

first. Don Bozzelli, a buddy of mine at Auburn. Uh, I

did second stage of Q school with him one

year out of nowhere. Um, but, yeah, it

was. Don Bozzelli was first. Smiley was second.

Um, I worked for. After that, I worked for a guy

named Sam Love. I worked for a guy named Cody.

Cody Gribble. Um, I worked for

Frank Licklider. Frankie the Blade.

>> RB: Wow.

>> Will Davidson: If anybody knows Frankie the Blade, I.

>> RB: Work for Frank Licklighter. The big M frame, uh,

Oakleys he used to wear back in the day.

>> Will Davidson: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Frankie the Blade, man.

>> RB: He's got a little hot under the collar, huh?

>> Will Davidson: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He is a. If you're on his good side,

he is an awesome dude. He's a lot of fun to be around. Uh, we

actually made a hole in one. So that was. That was the first tour

hole in one that I caddied for. Was. Was Frank.

>> Jonathan: So you got ripped with Frank?

>> Will Davidson: Yeah. Wow. He was one of those guys

that you'd finish around. He'd take out his checkbook and

write your check right in the parking lot. Uh, see you next week.

Yeah, great. Um, after Frank,

I. I kind of took a step

away. I went. I was like, you know, just, this is cool and all,

and I need to get a real job. And

so got into the insurance business. Did that for, like, three weeks.

And I got a call. It's kind of a funny story

here. Got a call from a guy, um, didn't even know who it was.

Got a call. He's like, hey, man, who are you caddy for right now? I'm not catting.

Well, uh, I got somebody who wants you to caddy for

him. Uh, are you available? I was like, not

really, but who is it? And he

said, oh, it's Haotong Lee. And I was like.

And I knew this kid was good. Mean. I'd met him on Corn

Fair Tour Web at that time. And I was like, this kid's

good. He's 19. Number one player in China. I was like, all

right, so, yeah, tell him I'll do it. Does he want, like, for the week, or do you

want for the rest of the Year. What does he want? He said, no, no rest of the year. I said,

all right, cool. Well, when does he want me? He said, can you be in, uh,

Bogota, Colombia, tomorrow morning?

Excuse me? Sick. You a. Bogota, Colombia, tomorrow

morning? This is like 7pm on a Sunday night. I said, no, but I'll be there

tomorrow night. And I, uh, booked a few flight, went down to Columbia,

caddied, uh, three events down there, and then we went

over to China, played the Volvo China Open

on the European Tour, his home open. He got a sponsor exemption, and

we won it. So we were full European tour

from there on. And that's how I got European Tour, which

ultimately ended up leading to a couple other guys. I worked for Hatong for

almost two years. Um,

how Tong and I made the cut at Erin Hills,

obviously, big, big event this week there.

Um, but Aaron Hills, uh, and

he's the first Chinese player in history to make a cut at a

US Open. So fun fact.

>> Jonathan: Wow.

>> Will Davidson: Yep. Um, so we did that. He actually fired me on Sunday.

We shot, uh, 20 over on the weekend.

Made the cut. We shot 20 over. Thanks for coming.

Um, and, uh, I got a call from

Beef the next day, actually. He goes, hey,

man, uh, you know, I love hanging out with you. We've gotten

to know each other out there, just out on tour.

Say, man, I'm thinking about making a change. You want to do

it? I was like, heck, yeah. Let's go. So we started in Paris, France, the next

week. So I flew to France and worked for Beef

for almost two years there.

>> RB: And so this is a, uh. This is a. You

know, growing up, your parents always tell you, don't burn

any bridges. This is the. This is as

cliche as it gets. Right here is you. You don't want to burn

any bridges with any tour players, because you never know when you're gonna

get.

>> Will Davidson: That's exactly right. I never burn a bridge with a tour

player, um, you know, unless it's

really bad. But I've never had that. That happen. Um,

but, yeah, it was. That's a perfect

example, because Beef and I. And actually how that happened

is Beef and I would play together a couple times, you know, paired together or

whatever. But I told him when he comes to the States

for Aaron Hills, this was weeks before I said,

man, I got to go get you some good barbecue. Because he'd signed the deal with

our business. I got to get some good barbecue, some good stuff up in

Wisconsin. We'll get you some. Some cheese curds, whatever. And, uh,

he's like, all Right. Let's. Let's do it. So that Tuesday of.

Of Aaron Hills, we went and grabbed some barbecue. I took

him to a barbecue joint. And, uh, it's just.

It's funny how things happen where I.

Obviously, I wasn't expecting to make a change, and he wasn't

planning on making a change, but it just. The way that it worked

out was I was,

you know, I was let go, and. And I became available, and he

was like, you know what? I think that'd be a good fit. And sure enough, it

was. And we. We worked together for almost two years.

Um, would probably still be working with

him. Uh, he had had some injuries, and he

had to take six months off. Um, so it was one of those where

it's like, I kind of obviously still had to work after that. And so, uh, I

made the change. We mutually went separate ways because

he was taking time off. Uh, but I worked for Ross Fischer after

that.

>> RB: Oh, wow.

>> Will Davidson: Uh, many of you familiar with Ross Fisher, I believe,

believe he gave Tiger woods his first loss in the

Ryder Cup. If I'm not mistaken, uh, he

was.

>> RB: Ranked in the world.

>> Will Davidson: I was not. That was before my time out there, but not

saying Ross is old, but, you know, it

was before my time.

>> RB: Yeah.

>> Will Davidson: But, uh, yeah, anyway, uh, after Ross,

um, Covid. Well, I take that back,

Came back to the States. Smiley called me and said, hey, man,

getting the band back together. I want to try and get.

I want to try and, you know, get back to where I was. And Smiley

had been struggling a bit at time with injuries. He had a left, um,

wrist and a right elbow injury back to back and obviously

change his swing a bit. And, you know, we all know,

although Smiley had gone through some stuff,

um, and so I was like, all right, let's do it. And

so I came back with him, went back to his old swing. Coach jumped

on with him. I talked him into going to

play Australian Open, Australian

pga, and the Indonesian Masters. I was like, man,

European Tour. You can get some sponsors into that. Like, you got

a shot to go, you know, play well, make some money. You know, you

might be able to go. Go sneak in a top five somewhere if we go play our

game. I said, and it's. It. In my mind, it took the

pressure off of being on the PGA Tour, being in front of all

the cameras, being. Being in the

limelight. I mean, who's watching the Indonesian masters

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00am um, you know, on Golf Channel. It's not

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that. That's not a huge field. I mean, I would watch it but

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most everybody else would watch it. Yeah, exactly.

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So, you know, a couple of us, um,

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but we did. We went over and. And he actually

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made his. We made the first cut at the, uh,

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Australian Open, um, and

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he finished 21st that week, and that was the first cut

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he'd made, and I want to say almost 20 events.

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And so we came back to the States. We're getting

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ready to go play. Um,

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he'd gotten a couple more sponsor exemptions, and Covid

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hit, and that

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essentially ended his career right there. Because

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after Covid, nobody got started. If you had. Didn't have full

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status, you got no starts because everybody wanted to play. So

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there was nobody that was going to be able to. I mean, you weren't going to get in. If

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you weren't, you know, locked in and

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had full status, you weren't getting a spot. So

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after Smiley, um, I called. It's actually

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the day after the PGA Tour stopped. I sent a

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text to Ann Van Dam, and

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I'd met her in Dubai, um, at a European Tour

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event. And Ann, uh,

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awesome person, you know, phenomenal

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golfer.

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Everything about her is fantastic. And I had sent her

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a text because LPGA hadn't stopped playing yet. They still

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had another. You know, like, they were still going to play another day because they

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hadn't stopped from COVID So I text her, like, hey, just want to let you know,

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PGA Tour stopped. Don't know what y' all are going to do, but if.

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If you know, you know of anybody that's available, um, because I

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think they're playing in Florida or something. That weekend, I was already down in Florida. It's like, no.

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Anybody available? Like, I'm happy to jump on a

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bag, would love to. She said, yeah, yeah, actually, I. I

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might. And ended up. They closed the next day.

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Long story short, um, you know, six weeks later, she

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texted. She's like, hey, my caddy's stuck in Europe and can't get

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into the States. Can you come caddy for me? I was like, yeah, let's do it.

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So caddy for. For a year,

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um, you know, if you're familiar with hands,

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swing, it is flawless here.

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I mean, it is. It is as good as it gets. If

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anybody ever wants to see a golf swing and try to replicate one.

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And Van Damme is. You need to go watch.

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Um, but, yeah, so I,

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uh. We were playing in the British Open at

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Carnoustie, and we had great track,

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awesome spot, awesome spot until it blows, and

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then it's not as fun. Yeah. But,

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uh, yeah, played it. Played in

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Ah, at the British there. And I

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had. Growing up with Smiley, I knew Curtis Thompson

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really well. I'd actually caddy. I threw. I forgot to mention Curtis.

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Caddy for Curtis. A couple. One one offs here, you know, a couple weeks, a

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week here, a week there. Um, so I've known Curtis a long time

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as well. And Lexi

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had just, uh, just parted ways with her

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caddy. So I landed in the States,

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and I had a call from

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Lexi's dad, who, again, I've known for a long time. He's like,

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hey, you know, what's your plan?

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What do you. What are you thinking? And whatnot. And

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I was like, man, I'd love to work with Lexi. I think it'd be

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great that we get along really well. So we had a

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set of a phone call, kind of did a meet and greet on the phone or whatever.

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And, um, and it was great. We hit it off,

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and, man, we. I started working for

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her, and we went on a tear. We went on a great

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run. Um, should have won a couple times, but, you know, that's just

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how golf is sometimes. Uh, I think we did

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27 events. You know, she didn't play every week, so we did 27

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events. We made 24 cuts

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out of 27 events. We had,

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um, 16 top tens, 11 top

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fives, and three seconds

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out of that on in that run. So, I mean, it was a

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solid run of her playing some great golf.

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>> RB: And was, uh, there any Solheim Cups

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involved in that?

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>> Will Davidson: So. No. What stunk is I

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actually started working for the week after the Solheim Cup.

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>> RB: Oh. Uh, which was.

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>> Will Davidson: It's. It was a bit of a downer there because I was obviously

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really looking forward to trying to do that and whatnot. Uh, I started

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working for. Prior to the Solheim. Like, I had already committed to work

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for her, but she had already told her

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brother that he'd come caddy for her in Solheim,

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so she wasn't gonna, you know, and my. That would have been my first week

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on the bag with her. And I was like, that could be dicey. You

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know, if something doesn't work out, we're in the Solheim and, you know, she doesn't

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know. I don't know her yardage is well yet, and she

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doesn't know how I work, etc. Soulhound cup is not the first

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place you want to probably start a new, new career with.

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So waited, um, till the week after. But obviously

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we worked really well together. Um, we are still really close.

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>> RB: You think?

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Yeah, yeah, we're still really Close

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question about Lexi. Um, I think I just

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saw that she's 30 years old,

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playing in her 18th US Open.

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Let that sink in.

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>> Will Davidson: Right. Um, she has played more US Opens

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than half of her life.

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>> RB: That's crazy.

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>> Will Davidson: Think about that.

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>> RB: Did you know one of her boyfriends back

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in the day, Gary Garris?

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>> Will Davidson: Did not know Gary. No, I didn't.

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>> RB: He's a buddy of ours. Probably happened, but

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he's probably.

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>> Jonathan: He's probably lying to us. Probably just

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talking smoke.

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>> Will Davidson: Gary, if you are lying, then you've gotten

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them, you've sold them.

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You pulled off a good one there.

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>> RB: Yeah, but somebody like her, uh, you know, somebody

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like Lexi Thompson, I mean, again, for

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so long, she dominated the game of

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golf right? Before you, during you, after

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you. Okay.

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>> Will Davidson: Yeah.

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>> RB: And, you know, people,

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uh, it's a big debate. Why is she quitting?

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Right? Why is she retiring from golf? And it's like,

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dude, she's 30 years old, and she

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has played in 18 US opens. So from

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the. So from 12 years old to 30,

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she basically had a,

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you know, extended tour life. Because

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a lot of Tour players. Let's be honest, a lot of Tour players are 10

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to 15 years, right. That are pretty

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good. Um, let the girl

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live a little bit. You know, like, she wants to be.

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She wants to get married, or maybe she is. She wants to

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have kids, whatever she want. She is

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literally at the point of her career where

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most people are at when they're 45 and 50,

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which is crazy to think.

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>> Will Davidson: Exactly. And then a lot of people forget that. You know, they're like, wait, why

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is she retiring so young? Just like you said. But

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think about it. She played in her first U.S. open at

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12 years old. 12.

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>> RB: I actually. I actually think that that was a pine

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needle. Was it in a pine needle?

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>> Will Davidson: It was at Pine Needle. There's a great call there. And I was very

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fortunate to be US Open with her at Pine Needles this last

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time, um, when it was there. So it was real emotional

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for her. It was a really cool experience for me. Just, you know, she had

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all of her family there, um, and a lot of people

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that have, you know, supported her over the years. So we had a huge

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following that week. Um, unfortunately, her grandmother

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passed away the week before, so it was a super

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emotional week for her. Um, but that was something

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really special for me to get to be a part of

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that. Um, and she played really well, and that was a hard

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track for us. I mean, it was a hard track for everybody. Minji

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just absolutely ran away with that one.

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But, uh, she played really well that week with

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all the circumstances and, you know, all the media and all

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the emotions and all that. I think we finished 21st

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in that US Open, so it was, you

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know, a good week, but it was a really cool experience for me.

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>> RB: My, uh. My parents live on the, uh, third

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tee box at Needles, right to the left.

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>> Will Davidson: Oh, nice. Yeah.

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>> RB: So I, uh, only go once a year,

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uh, with this. Yo, yo. Uh, we plan an invitational,

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but, um, man, pine needles is.

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People ask me, I've been fortunate enough to play a lot of

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good golf courses. I could play pine

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needles every single day. Dude, I love that place.

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>> Will Davidson: Great track. I'll tell you what, if you miss the green,

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though, man, you've got some. You got

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some work to do, because it is. It is one of

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those. Especially don't go long. That was one of my notes I

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remember from that book is. Is don't go long,

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don't go long. Don't go long, don't go long,

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don't go long.

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>> Jonathan: Yeah,

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the women, I think now, like, there

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was a guy that I used to know, and

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all he would do was watch the lpga. Like, he

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didn't care about the PGA Tour.

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He. All he was worried about was the lpga.

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And I could never figure out, like, dude, like,

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I mean, I get it. It's fun to watch, but how can't you be into the

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PGA Tour? You know, he's like, the women are just

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on a different level. So from

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that point forward, not saying I got into the

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LPGA Tour, but I paid a little more attention to it. You know,

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like, for example, with the US Open on. I'm gonna watch it.

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>> Will Davidson: Right?

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>> Jonathan: Uh, and seeing some of these girls now and how they strike

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the ball and. I mean, nelly cortisol swing. You talk about the

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lady you caddied for as well. Those swings will put you to

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sleep, dude.

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>> Will Davidson: Yeah, I mean, they're. They're the swing

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repetitive. I mean, they are just the same

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swing every single time, and they're so good at

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it.

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>> Jonathan: So from your perspective, you've caddied for a lot

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of guys on the PGA Tour, great golfers, and you've

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caddied for a phenomenal star on the LPGA

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Tour. Aside from the

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DNA features that men have

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over women in terms of maybe strength or whatnot, but

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what parts of their games are similar and what's the biggest

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difference?

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>> Will Davidson: Sure.

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>> Jonathan: From your perspective of a caddy.

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>> Will Davidson: Yeah. No, and that's something that I get asked a lot.

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Um, but, uh, you know, realistically,

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it's. It's the vision that's different

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for me. Like, so I think as guys,

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we're a little bit more aggressive when it comes to golf. Like, like,

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if you're. You're outside the, you know, you missed left off the

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tee, you got some trees. Like, man, I. You know, I can hook this

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thing around this, or I can. Let me just slice one here,

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land it short, and let it run up. The girls

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are. They tend to be. They tend not to see that.

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Like, to see the same shots that we see

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as guys. And I think it's just because they're not

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quite as aggressive, um, and

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they may not be able to. Now, Lexi's a little bit different because

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she can work the ball both ways and she has every

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shot you could ever imagine. Um, but,

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like, talent wise,

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there's not a difference. There is. And

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honestly, the ball striking on. On the females

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are better than a lot of the guys,

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realistically. And the thing is, is because their swings are a little bit

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slower, they're a little bit more compact.

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You know, there's less room. If you think about it like the. If

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the swing is shorter, there's less room for error.

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And so, um, the strikes just are so

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pure out. A lot of these girls, like, the yardages

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that they are able to hit. Like, I knew with

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Lexi, I knew that. That if

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we had 280, like a

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280 run out, like a bunker 280, like, I knew it was

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100% going to be a three wound. There was not a

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chance it was going to be a driver because drivers landing

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right at where that's going to be. I mean, drivers

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pitching 280 for her if there's no wind. Drivers

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pitching 280 anywhere from 275, 280. And

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it's like on a. You could put a roll

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of paper out and she would land it right there between it. I mean, it's

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nuts. It's so consistent with the

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girls versus, like, a bunch of the guys where, you know,

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like, you can step on a six iron and, you know, if you're hitting a

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six iron, your average six iron is like 185. You can step

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on one and get 195, you know, but a lot of these

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girls, they're not going to step on a. On a

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six iron and try and, you know, get extra out of

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it. They're just like, okay, well, I'll just hit a five iron, you know, and I'll just

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hit a five iron, you know,'190 yards, and it's

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just yeah. Uh, it's crazy how good they are at

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landing the distances that they. They talk about.

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Uh, and then the other thing, too, is, like, Lexi.

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For me, Lexi. I've had

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one other player that

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when I, like, picked out a target for him, and we looked at, like,

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hey, like, we're finishing on this tree or this limb or this.

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Whatever it is, this TV tower in the back.

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I've never had anybody outside of Lexi

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that could, like, if I said, this is where we're hitting

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it, that's where it started. That's everywhere. It's every

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single time. I mean, it was insane.

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You know, very rarely would she ever be offline.

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And that's what's pretty impressive about those

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females. The other one, I would say is I got to give a shout out

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is Akshay. I worked for Akshay Batia for a

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little while as well. Oh, wow.

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>> Jonathan: No way.

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>> Will Davidson: Yeah.

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>> Jonathan: Yeah, he's having a great.

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>> Will Davidson: He is. He really is. I work for Akshay.

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Uh, Akshay and Ryan Gerard, both guys having really

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good seasons. Um, I worked with him two

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years ago, so I got. Actually, I was with

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Akshay when he got his PGA Tour card. So that's.

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>> RB: That's awesome.

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>> Will Davidson: That was cool. Yeah.

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>> RB: So I grew up for a few years in

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Pinehurst, and I was fortunate enough to play. Play,

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um, a good m. Amount of golf with Webb

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Simpson. And, you

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know, I. I asked him, I said, webb, I said, what's the

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difference? This is later on when he's on the tour. What's the difference

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between a good college player in a

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PGA Tour player, Right? And his comment,

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and I want to see if you agree, is, Jonathan, there

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are 5 million people that can hit a driver.

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Three wood, five iron, six iron, seven iron. Like us

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from eight iron. And N. We are dominant.

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Like, that is where we can make a difference.

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You know, a wedge shot, we're just trying to get it

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15ft as an amateur, right? Hey, let's hit this wedge shot

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15ft. They're literally trying to hit it

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inside a hula hoop, like.

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>> Will Davidson: Yeah.

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>> RB: And I think that that's what. There are a lot of people that

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can hit an incredible driver and. And

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straight and all that. But whenever you get to those scoring

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clubs, that's where the difference is. Those guys putting,

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they are dominant at putting.

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You don't realize how good these peoples are. And that's like John

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Daly. We've. We've gotten around with

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him, and you watch

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him. Everybody says he has

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the best hands ever. And you

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wouldn't think that Yeah,

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I know.

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>> Will Davidson: I completely agree with you in the difference

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between a very good college player and

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a PGA Tour, somebody who's made it on the PGA Tour.

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And I'm telling you,

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all of. All of the difference is just around the greens,

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everybody is good. Off the tee, everybody's good. You know,

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can. Can hit distances, stuff like that. But inside that

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eight iron range. You're exactly right.

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Uh, it is. They are. If we can get inside of an

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eight iron, it's nine out of 10

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times. It is go zone. And it is. And.

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All right, we're. We're. We're aiming this, you know,

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two yards right of this pen only because we need to be right

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side of this pen for a better putt, you know, better look at birdie, like, all right,

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we're two yards left of this pen only because there's trouble, right?

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Let's. Let's give ourselves an extra two yards.

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And as, you know, as us who

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are single digits or even scratch

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golfers, whatever, can we do that? Yes.

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But can we do it consistently? No, we

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can't. And that's the disc. The difference is the

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consistency with these guys. And their short games

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are immaculate. They see shots.

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Like, I think that's another thing. Me caddy and,

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um, like, when I work with Ryan Gerard,

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he. He saw shots I didn't see.

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And his short game is very good. And it was.

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It was, you know, like, I saw going high for

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this one. He's like, no, I think I'm going to pitch this, like, right here.

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And he'd give me a target like this. He's like, I'm a pitcher right here,

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and if I pitch it there, it'll go. And I'm like,

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is that, you know, is that the right play? Is that what we should do here?

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And. But I mean, he would execute it, and it would be,

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you know, we'd be 14 inches from the cup.

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Like, man, well, Cody.

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>> RB: Cody Greibel. Didn't Cody Greibel win a century, uh, a

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US Amateur Gribs?

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>> Will Davidson: I don't know if Gribble wanted. I, uh, don't know if he won a

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USM or not. Or did he, uh.

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>> RB: Or. Or did he lose in the finals? Uh, that name

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is so familiar because he had an incredible amateur

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career.

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>> Will Davidson: He did. He did. Now, you know, he's won on the PGA Tour.

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Um, he won

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Sanderson, I believe it was okay

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a couple years back, but I don't know, is his

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Amber career. I'm not sure what he did on that one, but it.

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Very. Well, we Mean, it wouldn't surprise me.

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>> RB: We need the funniest caddy story from you.

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>> Jonathan: I was just. I was just gonna ask that

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M. Like, where you walked away, and you're going, what the

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fuck?

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>> Will Davidson: Yeah. Uh, well, I mean, Phil is up

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there. Because when that happened, it was just like, I looked at Beef, and

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looked at me was like, what the fuck just happened? Like,

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it was that kind of moment. But I would say,

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I mean,

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we've had some funny ones,

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ironically. So I caddy for Drew. Love.

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Another. Another good dude.

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Um, a couple random events.

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Um, I caddied for

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Drew. Where was I? So, uh, we were

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Quell Hollow, caddy for Drew at Wells Fargo,

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and we actually were playing a practice run with Tiger.

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So we were playing a practice run with Tiger. Justin

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Thomas Bryson and Tiger,

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obviously. And I had not met. I'd met

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Tiger, but I've never. You know, I've never been out with him and, uh,

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whatnot. And so

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Tiger kind of walks up on the putting green. He knew I was

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catting for Drew, and he just walks up to me, and he

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goes,

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what the is that guy wearing? And I was just

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like, okay.

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And he was like, he's still, uh. Like, look at his shoes.

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What is he wearing? And I was like, all right,

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I don't know what I'm gonna say to Tiger back to this. Like, I don't know.

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Their. Their foot joy. I mean, I don't. I don't know.

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Uh, you know, and so then he goes.

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He's still hitting that driver six miles high.

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I was like, oh, yeah, he definitely is. He's hitting it six miles high

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and in six different directions. But,

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yeah, um, and then he's like, man,

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tell that Bigfoot son of a bitch he just. He

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needs to quit. He just needs to stop playing.

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And obviously, he's just, uh, walking, and this is on the putting green. Like, we hadn't even

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teed off yet. Drew's not around. He walks up to

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me. I've again, never really met him. And he's just, like, talking shit

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about Drew. And I'm like, what is going on

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right now? And just absolutely, just

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dumbfounded. Like, you know, Tiger, me growing up, I'm 34

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years old, going on 35. Like, he's one of my. My idol guys

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that I grew up watching.

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>> Jonathan: Yeah.

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>> Will Davidson: And it's like, one of the first time I'm meeting him, and the first thing comes up to me dropping F

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bombs. I was like, fantastically. This is great.

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Like, this is one of the coolest things ever, you know,

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talking Shit about the player that I'm. I'm catting for for the week.

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It was. It was pretty funny. Um, what

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you.

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>> Jonathan: What year was that?

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>> Will Davidson: That would have been. That was

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Wells Fargo. That was probably

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2000. It would have been

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20. Uh, 19. 20.

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19.

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>> Jonathan: So that. So that's the year he won

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the Masters. So his swing. He was swinging it pretty good.

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>> Will Davidson: Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Another. This is not a funny story,

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but a cool story. And one of the. I'll probably get chilled. I'm

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just thinking about it, to be fair. But one of the coolest

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stories and highlights of my career was that same day we're

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standing the. The seventh fairway, um, at

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Quail. And it was practice rounds. It was all

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backed up, um, and

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we're all in the fairway, but Tiger was up to the left,

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and I kind of walked over that way. Drew's ball was up left

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and just passed him. Um,

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but the guys are kind of hanging back, talking. And I walked up to

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Drew's ball and was just. I'm sure, go ahead and get a number and get everything, you

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know, whatever, sorted out, ready to go. And I turn

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around and Tiger walks up, and

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he had. We had spoken because I was still working for Beef

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at the time. Just. Beef wasn't playing Wells Fargo, and I was just working

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for. That week for Drew. And so he asked me. He's like, hey, man, you

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know, what's. How's Beef? Like, is he, you know, how's it looking for

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Ryder cup this year, you know, wanting to know about Beef, because Beef

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was playing really well. Um, and I said, you know,

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we gotta definitely have a shot and whatnot. And, you know,

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was telling him, we're hoping either if we don't get in, obviously

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captain's pick would be great, etc. Obviously ended up not getting the

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captain's pick. He got hurt. But, uh, I'm sitting there

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talking with Tiger, and then Drew walks up, and Drew

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goes out of nowhere. He goes,

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drops a Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer stat.

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It was a Jack Nicklaus stat. Like, oh, you know, Jack finished this, this, this

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many times this year, whatever. And

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Tiger. I, uh, kind of looked at Tiger and he goes.

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He immediately goes, no, it was this. And he changed

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the stat. He knew exactly the stat that

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Jack had, however many times. He finished, like, third

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in a. In whatever events. I mean, it was a

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random left field stat, but Tiger knew

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it. And then immediately goes. And

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Arnold has this, and told us those stats

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and just ripped them off, like one after another after another.

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And I'm like, holy crap. Like, this is, this is

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insane. And then it hit me, and this is where I always get chills.

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It hit me, I said, I'm standing in the seventh fairway at

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Quail Hollow talking to Tiger woods about

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Jack Nicholas and Arnold Palmer.

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Like, what, what this is. Ah, a

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highlight. Again, like I said, I have chill bumps right now just thinking about

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it because I'm like, I am standing there talking to Tiger about

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Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer. Arnold Palmer, the

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greatest, arguably the greatest three to ever play

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three. And just having a

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conversation with Tiger about it. I mean, how many

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people can ever say that they've done that? And

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so that was, for me, that was one of my highlights.

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You know, it wasn't. Yes. Uh, you know, I was really blessed

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and fortunate to win with, with Haotong and so many

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finishes, top five finishes with Lexi and

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Akshay and others. But that was

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still, to this day, one of the, one of the cool,

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coolest things that's ever happened on the golf course.

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>> Jonathan: That's awesome.

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Well, what about before we get into the tap in

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segment? What about some of these cats? And you don't got to drop any names,

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but you ever see any of the boys, you know, hitting a little bit of

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cough syrup under incognito?

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>> Will Davidson: You know, not on, not

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as much on tour. I will say this

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Pro M days, some of the boys will send it.

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It's very frowned upon. Oh, but some of the pro M days,

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um, um, and one, one particular

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player that I work for won't drop a name here, but one particular player

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that I worked for. You know, pro ams get

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long, you know, you got, you guys probably played in programs

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before and, and you know, it's a group

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as the four or five and,

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and it just is, you know, it's a six hour

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round sometimes. And so. Oh,

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uh, you know, they've got all the food and the drinks and all the stuff

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on the tee boxes and it's great. And, and

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there's times like we look back and forth and,

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and, and he or she would say, you want

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Cheetos? I'm like, heck yeah, let's go. And

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so we'd have a few, you know, have a few and whatnot.

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And, and like some of the times when they'd have like the seltzers or whatever,

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I'd, I'd throw two in the bag. I'm like, heck yeah, I

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have no problem carrying a few extra seltzers in the bag,

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you know, for this pro am. And you know, I'd I'd walk

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off the green, I quickly

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shotgun one and make it to the next tee box ready to go. But,

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yeah, we. We've, you know, we've dabbled in some of that, but

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outside of that, it's. It's really not a

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very common thing. If it is. It's. It's very

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hidden. Um, not a

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lot.

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>> Jonathan: Well, I understand the players. I mean,

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you know, you got billionaires paying the money to play when they

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should.

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>> Will Davidson: They should.

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>> Jonathan: They're allowed to have fun and do what they want to do. But, I mean, are they great

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golfers? The answer is probably not

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typically. And so you got a tour player playing

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with them. They're going like, uh, it's,

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like. Painful. Yeah, painful.

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>> Will Davidson: Yeah, it is. And it's. It's,

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you know, you try to be. You try to

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be nice to them because, you know, you paid. They paid all that money and, and

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you're trying to give them the experience, and you want to do that, but it's.

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>> Jonathan: Right.

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>> Will Davidson: It's also, man, is it a grind,

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Especially when, uh, you know, it's like, par's your friend, right? On a lot of

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these parts, your friends, if you. If you're over par. Excuse

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me, pick it up. But, man, they want to. They want to finish out that

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triple. They really want that triple.

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Guys, let's. We got to keep it. We got to keep it moving.

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>> Jonathan: Keep it moving, baby. Yeah, keep it moving.

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Well, Will, man, it was awesome having you on today's

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episode of Chasing Birdies. A lot of great stories. I can't wait to meet

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you in person, dude. Honest to God. I know it's going to happen. I feel it.

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online@betnardi.com Pepe's

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going to ask you some questions here that, uh, demand a quick

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answer.

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>> Will Davidson: All right?

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>> RB: Um, one role change on the Tours.

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>> Will Davidson: Uh, ball landing and divot. That

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should be changed. You should be able to. I think you should play it. Play it right out of

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the fairway. If you're in the fairway, you deserve to be in the fairway.

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>> RB: All right. Do you think range firing

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rangefinder should be allowed on tour?

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>> Will Davidson: No. You want me to explain it?

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>> RB: Sure.

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>> Will Davidson: I don't think it really speeds up play. I think

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it. I think it makes. It makes caddies lazy. I don't

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think it's pizza play.

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>> RB: Uh, I would agree with you on that. And

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it kind of takes the caddy element out of It. Figuring out a little bit. Bit of

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stuff. Well, your.

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>> Will Davidson: Your player then, can now just literally go shoot it himself. So what's the point

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of having me there to tell you, you know?

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>> RB: Right.

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>> Will Davidson: Exactly.

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>> Jonathan: Yeah.

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>> RB: All right. Toughest course to navigate and cad.

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>> Will Davidson: Ooh. Um, navigate

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Valderrama.

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Um, the trees and stuff.

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>> RB: Right.

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>> Will Davidson: It is in Spain. Incredible golf course, by the way.

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Navigate Spyglass is

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pretty tough. That's a heck of a walk. Spy glass is a good

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one. Oh, it's an awesome golf.

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>> RB: All right, last question. What are you chasing

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outside of birdies?

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>> Will Davidson: Chasing? Uh, man, I'm

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chasing a. A, uh, career

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in golf that will

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benefit everyone else in some way, shape or

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form. Gonna figure out what that is, but that's what I'm chasing.

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>> RB: I like it.

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>> Jonathan: Love that energy.

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>> RB: Well, thank you so much for coming on Chasing birdies, my

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man.

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>> Will Davidson: Appreciate it. Yeah, well, we appreciate it, and, uh,

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yeah, let's do it again soon. Let me know, uh, when you boys need a

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caddy. And, uh, yeah, we'll rock and

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roll from there.

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>> RB: We'll bring him in. Remember, guest bud.

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>> Jonathan: There we go.

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>> RB: We'll allow you to drink on that one, too.

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>> Will Davidson: Heck, yeah. Hey, I got it. I got to give a shout out really real

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quick, too, uh, for guys that go to golf. I know. I know

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you are betting already, but go to golf. They,

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uh. I've just started working with these guys. They're awesome.

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But we do member guest stuff, so that's what made me think of it. Member

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guest packages? Go to golf, man. Y' all gotta check them out. They

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got a sick app. Do a bunch of custom putters, custom

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apparel, custom ball markers. Stuff.

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Gotta give them a.

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>> Jonathan: Someone's just talking to us about goaded golf.

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>> Will Davidson: Robusty.

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>> Jonathan: Yeah, probably sp. Uh, yeah. It might have

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been Steve or your.

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>> Will Davidson: Girl Jacqueline as well.

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>> Jonathan: Yeah, maybe. Oh, yeah, it was probably Jackie. Yeah, I

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think so. Yeah, I think so. Awesome, dude. Yeah,

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we'll check that out.

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>> RB: M.

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Man with some good stories from. From our

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guy Will on the bag. Um,

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I'm sure he could get into some others that he didn't care to

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share that are private. But, I mean, the Phil

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Mickelson story, the fact that he was in that twosome

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at Shinnecock when he smacked the ball across the green

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is hysterical. Um, the Tiger

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woods story, I mean, those are some memorable

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stories. I mean, you even heard him state that he was getting

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chills. Still talking about. And it's probably 15 years ago,

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so it's really cool. And like you said, these guys

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are workhorses. People don't realize, you know, Monday, the

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US Open coming up, these caddies, the players might be

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hammering out on the range, but these caddies are out on the course

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walking around, uh, mapping the greens,

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getting some yardages to certain landing points. Uh, they

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do a lot leading up to that. That event so that the

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players are all ready to go come Thursday.

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>> Jonathan: And I do appreciate his comment relative to

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yardage finders, range finders using in

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the. In tournaments, you know, because he doesn't really believe.

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He said it does not going to speed up play. And it might at some point,

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but, you know, maybe for

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Brian Harmon, but I think for us it's fine

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because we're not. But, you know, but that. That's the point I'm trying to make,

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I guess is with these caddies, it does take a lot of

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mathematics. I mean, you blow it, right, left,

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whatever.

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>> RB: It's like, AI, right, like your caddy's gonna be

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really needed if you use a.

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>> Jonathan: There's gotta be gun like that.

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>> RB: Like you're not gonna need a caddy.

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>> Jonathan: Well, that's true. Um, unless somebody needs

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moral support, which.

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>> RB: I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that could fly off the handles.

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>> Jonathan: Yeah.

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>> RB: Um, but with that being

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said, um, yeah, I'm excited. I got a new

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rangefinder. I had to get a new one.

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>> Jonathan: So I saw yours. I saw a picture that Foxy posted with

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Kneeler sitting in a cart like it was your

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fun.

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>> RB: I less than that one at. In Nashville. And.

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And I told Neelie I'd give him a label to send it back and he said

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no chance. So I had to order a new one

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and I got a magnetic one now, so that's exciting.

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Um, but

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you know, I'm looking forward to the US Open coming up.

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I'm gonna roll over on Tuesday, check it out.

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>> Jonathan: Um, so, yeah, it's gonna be

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good, man. It's gonna be good. It's good for the community.

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And it's our third major. It's hard to believe. Third

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major of the year. Our first major of the year is

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coming up, though. Our first and only major is coming up at

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the end of July at Nemecollen.

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>> RB: So you guys confirmed?

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>> Jonathan: Yeah. 52 in the Chase and two. Man,

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it's going to be good.

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>> RB: Um, and let's not discount. I know

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we can't really talk about it right now. We'll talk about it in the next

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episode. But you're in a major right now too, in the state am.

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So, um, let's keep it rolling, bud. And

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yeah, um, you know, we'll recap it in the

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next episode.

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>> Jonathan: Yeah.

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>> RB: When we have some firm results.

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>> Jonathan: Fresh firm results. But yeah, it's been a lot of fun. And,

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uh, it's a great spot down here. But likewise

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too, where we have our two man tournament. Nemacolum Resort

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is plush and the horses are incredible.

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And obviously right now is peak season. No

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pun, because the peaks wide open. Get you a

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raft, get you a towel. So you check them out

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online@neolin.com book your stay.

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And you'll probably see Pep in the, uh, cigar bar. It's where he hangs

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out. Or getting a haircut.

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>> RB: I haven't had a cigar in one week, actually.

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Since Thursday. Yeah, since Thursday of

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when we played a pizza, I have not had a cigar.

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>> Jonathan: How's the, uh, Alps? Are you still on the Alps?

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>> RB: Amazing.

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>> Jonathan: So the Zen is. No. No longer in your Rolodex

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Alps. So you were in Zen for like three weeks?

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A month.

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>> RB: A month. And now I was introduced to the

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Alps. Um, and I'm in on this little

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meteor. Come along already.

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>> Jonathan: So A L, P S. Yes.

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All right, I gotta try it.

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>> RB: So try it. All right, boys, without further ado,

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you all have a good week. Uh, stay chasing.

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Chasing underscore Birdies on Instagram.

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Tap it. Like it. Love it.

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>> Jonathan: Yeah. As always, we appreciate

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the love, support and listeners out there. And we hope y' all

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enjoyed this week's episode of Chasing Birdies.

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Gotta give a big thanks to Ivo, Ali and

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Emily@ComplerMedia for getting this thing done for us. Jacqueline de

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Patero and Rachel London for all your social media

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help. You guys have a great first

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weekend of June. And we, we will catch

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y' all in two.