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Speaker AWelcome to Digging Up Ancient Aliens.
Speaker AThis is the podcast where we examine alternative history and ancient alien narratives in popular media.
Speaker ADo these ideas hold water to an archaeologist or.
Speaker AOr are there better explanations out there?
Speaker AWe are now on episode 81 and I am Fredrik, your guide into the world of Sudo archaeology.
Speaker AAnd this episode will be a bit different from what we are usually doing due to a computer malfunctioning with a couple of, well, issues with a few drives, I don't really have access to the tools I usually have and trying to sort that out and is a bit short on time.
Speaker ASo if this one is not sounding like, well, the other episode, it is because, well, it's not produced with the same.
Speaker ASame tools.
Speaker ABut don't worry, hopefully everything should be back to normal next episode.
Speaker ABut as I mentioned, this will be a couple of short stories and different topics kind of mixed together in, well, nice little Sudo archaeology soup.
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Speaker BThe site of Tiwanaco was in fact bombed.
Speaker BNow give me a moment.
Speaker BI will explain exactly what happened, happened to this archaeological site.
Speaker BFirst of all, remember that Tiannaco and Puma Punku has a very long history.
Speaker BThe civilization that lived here was around for about thousand years before its collapse, and the site didn't look like it does today for a very long time.
Speaker BYou see, when the Spanish conquistadors arrived at Tiwanaco, they looked around and realized, well, this is a great, great place to take stone for our own building construction and start to tear it down and use these stones in other parts and cities they constructed.
Speaker BSo you can find many of the blocks that was used to build Tiwanaco and Puma Punku today in the modern city of Tiwanaco and in the church that's located there today.
Speaker BAnd this is a fate that happened to a lot of archaeological sites through history.
Speaker BFor example, the white limestone that was covering the famous pyramids in Giza you can find in the mosque in modern Cairo.
Speaker BAnd this is something that unfortunately has happened throughout history.
Speaker BWhen people encounter a monument they no longer use, or some other people's monument that's not really in use, they reuse the stones because they're already quarried, they're standing close to where they want to build something else and you just tear it down, reuse this.
Speaker BAnd this happens across the world, unfortunately.
Speaker BAnd further havoc was brought by, well, looters later in history.
Speaker BThey tear down the structures trying to find imagined gold that they hoped would be inside these monuments.
Speaker BAnd we see this for example, in the monument of a Capana where there's a deep hole, a deep gash into the monument itself.
Speaker BAnd then that's leftovers from later treasure hunters and whatever looting and the conquistadors.
Speaker CDid to the site.
Speaker BIt's in, well, no comparison to what the railroad barons did in the early 1900s with the expansion of the railroad in South America and Bolivia.
Speaker BThey came to the site and they actually used dynamite to blow blocks off to use as a ballast in the rail tracks.
Speaker BSo you find a lot of these amazing monuments in the old train tracks, unfortunately.
Speaker BSo yeah, to some extent Tiwanaku was bombed not by some ancient civilization or something like that, but by modern humans not caring about the history of the site.
Speaker BAnd a further note here on what you see today at the site.
Speaker BIt's the result also of excavation, very heavy handed excavation in the 1900s and very poor reconstructions.
Speaker BReconstructions made at the site was not always necessarily made to, well, reconstruct what was.
Speaker BIt was reconstructing an imagined idea of how great this location was.
Speaker BThose who reconstructed in, well, late 1900s even wanted to show the might of the site.
Speaker BSo it was a more focus on making it look more impressive rather than a historical reconstruction adding further damage to some extent to the site.
Speaker BAnd when it comes to moving blocks depends a little bit.
Speaker BMost of the Tivanaco and Puma Ponco is built with sandstone and we have a couple of locations located about 15km away.
Speaker BBut it was a bit difficult to find these quarries because the civilization of Tiwanaco didn't use quarries like the ancient Egyptians or the Greeks.
Speaker BNo, they were looking for already loose blocks.
Speaker BWe don't have these nice quarries that we can find, for example at the Giza plateau for the great pyramids we find there.
Speaker BThey went around, looked for blocks that fit their purpose in these fields of broken off stone blocks, just like the Inca did.
Speaker BSo it's a bit hard to locate the quarry since they are not a traditional quarry as we kind of imagine them today.
Speaker BAnd in these quarries, when they found a stone block, they most likely dried it.
Speaker BHow do we know this?
Speaker BWell, we find so called sleeping stones.
Speaker BAbandoned stone is left on the side of the roads that they built.
Speaker BAnd we have found few examples of these rows.
Speaker BJust like the Incas used to move their stones.
Speaker BAnd there's a question if they used like the Incas wood to move these or if they drag them.
Speaker BNow, if we look at some of the stone blocks, we can still see drag marks at the, at one side of them, meaning they most likely were dragged on the ground.
Speaker BAnd the Incas built specific roads to make this easier.
Speaker BAnd if we look on the abandoned stones that we found in the quarries and on, on the road from the quarries, we see notches made in the stones.
Speaker BSo we have notches at the back of the stones indicating rope was used to drag these stones.
Speaker BA few of the stones at Pumapunka and Tihuanako are made out of andesite.
Speaker BAnd there's no local quarry within a few kilometers.
Speaker BThe closest quarry of andesite that we think they used is cross the lake.
Speaker BAnd here's the question.
Speaker BWere they dragged around the lake to Tiwanaco or did they use boats?
Speaker BModern experiments back in 2006 indicates that, well, reef boats could have been used to transport stone blocks across the lake.
Speaker BThe question is how they manoeuvred the boats in this case.
Speaker BSo here we don't really know for sure what they might have used, but we know that they managed to get the stone blocks from one side to another.
Speaker BAnd we have different explanations for how they could achieve this.
Speaker BNothing that require advanced lost technology or something like that, but human imagination and perseverance.
Speaker BAnd if you're interested in learning more about Tiwanaco and especially about the stone blocks that we found there and the amazing architecture and all that, there are books that's been published.
Speaker BFor example, the Stones of Tiwanaco, written by Jean Pierre Procin and Stella Nairobi.
Speaker BThat's a very in depth exploration of the site itself.
Speaker BAnd it's in English and not written really with an academic audience in mind.
Speaker BAnd there's also a lot of information in Spanish if you speak that.
Speaker BBut saying that this is some sort of mystery or lost key to an ancient civilization, it's only somewhat correct.
Speaker DIt's a mystery.
Speaker BIf you haven't kept up reading the latest science and research on the site and don't want to look it up.
Speaker BBut for archaeology, sure, there's mysteries here and things we still need to uncover, but we still know a lot about the site itself and how it was constructed.
Speaker BAnd it does not require any advanced technology or some lost civilization to explain the site itself.
Speaker BIt's just human ingenuity at Its finest.
Speaker EWe only started translating these tablets around 1975 when Zacharias Stitchen took interest into translating all of them.
Speaker ECombined with his knowledge of Hebrew and ancient languages, we were able to discover fascinating stories that predate the Bible by thousands and thousands of years.
Speaker FZacharias Sitchin, he was a pseudoscientific author, maybe most known for his book The Twelfth Planet, published in 1976.
Speaker FIn this book he claimed that an alien race came here from Nairubu because they needed gold for their atmosphere.
Speaker FAnd he basing this on what he says, Sumerian tablets and other old sources.
Speaker FWhile Zachariah claims in his books and in interviews that he knows several of these ancient languages, the evidence for this is rather slim.
Speaker FIn his books and his other writing, in most cases he is wrong about translations and even on the simplest things, and he often contradicts the dictionaries.
Speaker FNow, the Sumerians, they were quite sophisticated in their, well, writing skills, so they even had Sumerian lexical lists, basically dictionaries, and these have been preserved into our days and most scholars use them to better understand the Sumerian languages.
Speaker FAnd one example of these claims where Sitchin is, well, for a lack of better word, wrong, is when we talk about the God Ea.
Speaker FSitchin claimed that Ea is the God of mining, making the section about Ea in the poem Enuma Elish a bit weird.
Speaker FThe Sumerians themselves associated this God with being the God of wisdom.
Speaker FAnd again, you don't have to take our word for it.
Speaker FIt's very clear in their writings and the Sumerian lexical list.
Speaker FSitchin is maybe most famous for making the claims about the Anunnaki, which he claims in his books translates to people of the fiery rockets.
Speaker FThis is of course, well, contradicts the Sumerian lexical list and what the Sumerian themselves claim that this word means.
Speaker FSo if we go to the Sumerian dictionaries and look up Anunnaki, we get a translation that would be close to of royal seed.
Speaker FIf we make it a bit less poetic, it's basically the children of Anu and Zechariah Sitchin have made little to none whatsoever contribution to the understanding of the Sumerian languages.
Speaker FThe translation of the Sumerian languages came into full swing already back in 1838.
Speaker FThis is way before Sitchin started to publish his pseudo science books on this, but it came into full swing in part thanks to the Beshtun inscription.
Speaker FThe Beshtun inscription is located at the Beshtun Mountain in modern Iran.
Speaker FAnd on this monument we have an Inscription from Darius I, where we get one of Darius speeches preserved.
Speaker FAnd it's written in three languages.
Speaker FSo it's Babylonian, a form of old Akkadian and old Persian, and a language called Elamite.
Speaker FSo the process behind translating the Sumerian languages, and there are several of them, all with the different lexicons and dictionaries, they just use the cuneiform script.
Speaker FBut this has been a long road from the 18th century and even earlier up to even modern day.
Speaker FJust last year, another version of these languages was successfully started to be translated.
Speaker FBut to repeat, Zacharias Sitchin seems to have no basic understanding of the Sumerian languages from a translation perspective.
Speaker FHe does not give any sources for his claims, he doesn't give what tablets he is talking about.
Speaker FAnd he's often contradicting the Sumerian themselves.
Speaker ECite your source.
Speaker ECite my source.
Speaker EOkay, my source is.
Speaker EAnd you need to go to Lichtenstein to the museum where they hold the moorhen collection and then you can translate this Acadian tablet MC2894A.
Speaker EI'm the source.
Speaker EI am your source.
Speaker EDon't worry about where I get my stuff.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CI don't really get why these people get so defensive when they are asked to, you know, show their work, show their sources.
Speaker CAnd I think that the well behavior that Cray to display here is a little bit cultish for sure.
Speaker CBut let's look into her claims about this source.
Speaker ESet your source.
Speaker ESet your source.
Speaker CDoes it exist or how does it look like?
Speaker CAnd I will actually teach you how.
Speaker CYou yourself can look up cuneiform tablets.
Speaker CAnd we will also learn a little bit what we should look out for in a source.
Speaker CWhat are the red flags so to say.
Speaker CAnd even if the creator claimed to give us a source, they don't really do it.
Speaker CThey don't give us the name of the museum, they just state its source somewhere in Liechtenstein.
Speaker CAnd I did try to find this Moheen collection that they are refereing in the video.
Speaker CFrom the information online, there is no museum within Liechtenstein who claim to have a Maureen collection or a variation of the spelling of Maureen.
Speaker CThe creator also gave us a number, but it's without specifying.
Speaker CIs it the artifact ID exhibition ID or is it the CDLI number?
Speaker CWe will get back to that in just a moment.
Speaker CBut why is the creator so vague?
Speaker ECite your source.
Speaker ECite your source here.
Speaker CWell, as with most of these pseudoscience promoters, they cite each other without really telling it.
Speaker CThey find a claim in a book online or wherever, and they just repeat it without giving its source.
Speaker CAnd in this case the creator seems to have gotten these claims from anonymous AI generated YouTube channel.
Speaker ASome are partly in the Moorhen collection.
Speaker DIn Liechtenstein and the other half in Switzerland, also in a private museum, both.
Speaker AOf which contain Enki's own writings known.
Speaker DTo researchers as the Eridu Genesis and.
Speaker AWhich relate various aspects of his participation in later developments.
Speaker CAnd I believe that Whoever created this YouTube clip got the name of the Maureen Correction from another anonymous author pseudonym Ryan Morheen.
Speaker CAnd this author has published, well, several books on ancient languages.
Speaker CBut all web pages related to the well author and publicist has mysteriously disappeared from the online record.
Speaker CBut if we go back to this YouTube video, they do mention the name of the document.
Speaker CThey call it the Eridu Genesis, showing they don't really understand the Sumerian literature here.
Speaker CThe Eridu Genesis is not a book per se, but another name for the Sumerian flood myth.
Speaker ECite your source.
Speaker ECite your source.
Speaker CSo there is no tablet that's named Eridu Genesis, but we find this story incorporated in different tablets such as King List VB62, the Epic of Gilgamesh, maybe the most famous example here, or in instructions of Shurabak.
Speaker CAlright, let's say that we want to look up one of these Sumerian tablets to see if it's the real deal.
Speaker CHow can we do it?
Speaker CWell, if we have some information, this is not as complicated as one might think.
Speaker CTake for example one of the documents we mentioned earlier.
Speaker CWe go with instruction of Shurupak and we can online learn that this tablet is currently located over at the University of Chicago.
Speaker CAnd we can confirm this on the University's webpage.
Speaker CAnd here we can grab either the object or CDLI numbers.
Speaker CAnd with this we can head over to the Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative or cdli and we can then search for either object number.
Speaker CBut as you notice, we get some additional result as you see here.
Speaker CSo the best option is to have the CD LI number, but here we can see more info about the tablet and different publications that have been writing about it.
Speaker CSo let's Instead search for MA2894A and we get nothing.
Speaker CIn fact we get nothing online either on this information.
Speaker CAnd since as we noticed before, the collection does not exist, I think we can fairly assume that the tablet does not exist either.
Speaker CSo as I touched on in earlier episodes and videos, if a source is anonymous, stay away from it.
Speaker CAnd if they don't want to give you the references again, stay away from it.
Speaker CIf they don't want to show their work.
Speaker FWell, we don't need it.
Speaker CThere's better resources out there if they use terminology or numbers or whatever without properly seeming to understand how they are used and what they are for.
Speaker CAgain, stay away from it.
Speaker CAnd if they claim that you don't need other sources, then this person or individual definitely stay away from it.
Speaker EI'm the source.
Speaker EI am your source.
Speaker EDon't worry about where I get my stuff.
Speaker CWe need to be careful.
Speaker CWhile the pseudo scientific crowd isn't a cult per se, they do incorporate a bit of cult like behavior, especially cult of personalities.
Speaker CAnd this is why we need to educate and help improve skeptical thinking in, well, the society in general.
Speaker CAnd not necessarily make fun of these people.
Speaker CRemember that many of these people, people and believers are victims to people who want to sell them stuff, sell them books, education, a sense of being special, have knowledge that nobody else has.
Speaker FAnd I think we need to be.
Speaker CSympathetic against the believers and help them on a road where they can explore and learn and, well, come into the world of reality in a sense.
Speaker CBut as you learned here, if you have evidence on your side, it's not hard to really show your sources and it's not scary to show people how to double check you.
Speaker CBecause if you're right, you're right, the evidence is there.
Speaker CIf it's not there, well, it's understandable that you're a bit nervous about giving them out.
Speaker GRecent evidence suggests the possibility of a nuclear war in ancient times.
Speaker GThe discovery of a layer of radioactive ash in the body of the city's inhabitants with signs of radiation sickness in Mohenjo Daro.
Speaker DSo was there really a nuclear war taking place in Moheno Daro?
Speaker DWell, first let's address the skeletons.
Speaker DThat's usually referred in videos or retellings.
Speaker AAbout Mohenjo Daro in alternative history circles.
Speaker DNow, these skeletons that has been discovered in Mohenjudaro wasn't really as much found in the street, maybe a bit more found in the cemetery of Mohenjo Daro.
Speaker DAnd these skeletons seem to have died, well, sometimes centuries between each other.
Speaker DNot really something we would expect if we were looking at the aftermath of a nuclear explosion.
Speaker DBut where do these claims originate from then?
Speaker DAnd that turns out to be a little bit harder than one might actually expect from the start.
Speaker DWhile nuclear war in ancient times came about in the alternative history scene or ancient astronaut idea quite early.
Speaker DIt's for example, mentioned in Morning of the Magicians, Cherish of the Gods or Zechariah Sitchin's 12th planet Mohenhudaru is never mentioned in these books.
Speaker DHe's not.
Speaker DNot until 1972.
Speaker DAnd Charles Blitz book Mysteries of the Forgotten World where we first encounter a.
Speaker AMention of Mahenjo Daro.
Speaker DBut Blitz never claimed it was the victim of a nuclear attack.
Speaker DHe just say that the people living there died suddenly as of invasion.
Speaker DIt's not until 1974 where another author named Peter Collissimo suggests that there might be some futuristic weapon at play here.
Speaker DBut he never claim it's a nuclear weapon.
Speaker DBut he is the source that there is no graves, which is inherently incorrect, as we just noticed here.
Speaker DBut he also suggests that it's more likely that it was abandoned due to drought.
Speaker DBut Beryllitz seems to have picked up on this idea.
Speaker DAnd in his book Doomsday in 1999 A.D.
Speaker Dhe goes on and suggesting that the skeletons found within the city are more radioactive than Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Speaker DWhile Berlisnever say that it was an atomic bomb responsible for this.
Speaker DWe're supposed to fill in this by yourself?
Speaker DOf course, it's not until David childress book in 1988 we see actually a source for this claim.
Speaker DAnd Childress claims that there is a Russian archaeologist named Korbovsky who publicized this claim.
Speaker DNow there is a Russian scientist who was active in the USSR who did publish, well, strange novels.
Speaker DBut Korbowski is not an archaeologist, he was a linguist.
Speaker DAnd in 1966 he published a book called Mysteries of Ancient History.
Speaker DAnd in this book he quote a British scientist that he claimed mention radioactive skeletons.
Speaker DWell, not in Pakistan and Mohenjudara, but in India.
Speaker DAnd this British scientist was a man named William Valentine Maynard.
Speaker DAnd what's interesting is that Maynard never claimed that there was radioactive skeletons in India.
Speaker DIn his paper Naturally Occurring Alpha Activity, he speak about a skeleton in Egypt that lived 4,000 years ago and contain less radioactive material than compared to other skeletons later in history that he compared these remains to.
Speaker DAnd David Childress probably picked up this idea from Gorbovsky from a, well, Soviet propaganda magazine named Sputnik.
Speaker DBut that's the whole story of the radioactive skeletons in Mohenjo Daro.
Speaker DThey never existed from the start and just build on different ideas and authors building and expanding on a fantasy.
Speaker DThey never worked with any material.
Speaker DThey were just basically making things up.
Speaker HA shocking artifact discovered in the Valley of the Kings within the tomb of King Tut was a bust of the great pharaoh.
Speaker HWhat makes this discovery so shocking is the pharaoh is portrayed on an elongated skull.
Speaker HEven more disturbing, it's not just King Tut, but The bust of Nefertiti and her daughter.
Speaker HThey're also portrayed with elongated skulls.
Speaker ISo did Egypt practice artificial cranial deformation or acd, or did they have a weirdly elongated skull?
Speaker ILet's look a bit closer at this claim.
Speaker IWhen it comes to ACD or artificial cranial deformation, the answer is kinda yes.
Speaker IBut the oldest case of artificial cranial deformation in ancient Egypt or in Egypt is dated to around 600 BCE.
Speaker ISo this is way after Tutankhamun and his life, and same with Nefertiti and all that.
Speaker ISo Tutankhamun died around 1323 BCE, which is a little bit before the first confirmed case of ACD in Egypt.
Speaker IAnd there have been several studies on both Tutankhamuns and his, what's probably his father, King Akhenathans, the heretic pharaoh that we believe that we have found, or it is Akhenaten's brother.
Speaker IThat part is a little bit unclear currently.
Speaker IBut none of these studies have so far showed that they have any weird DNA or seem to have signs of artificial cranial deformation.
Speaker IAnd if we look at Tutankhamun's cephalic index, and if you listen to the podcast, I go into details of the problems of the cephalic index, but when we want to look at the general shape of a cranium, it could be useful.
Speaker ISo in this case, Tutankhamun has a cephalic Index of 83.9, meaning that he barely qualifies into the brachycephalic category, which means that it's short and broad.
Speaker IAnd in a study from 2010, Ancestry and Pathology in Kiktankarman's Family, they did a quite in depth study of the family members of Tutankhamun's family.
Speaker IAnd during these ancient DNA analysis, they noticed that there is no signs of the medical conditions that would cause natural elongated skulls among different populations.
Speaker ISo where do these elongated skulls come from within the ancient Egyptian artwork if it's not a real thing that the people did to themselves there, or a condition that they suffered from?
Speaker IWell, it seems to be a pure artistic reason for it.
Speaker IBut recent excavation in Amarna have revealed another piece of this puzzle.
Speaker ISo for the Akhenathens family and Tutankhamuns, if we look at this time in history, it seems to have been an artistic choice to different the royal family from the subjects.
Speaker IAkhenaten did do a lot of changes, and several to them was in the artistic, giving the artist more freedom to explore.
Speaker IAnd he changed the quite traditional Egyptian art style to something new and Different.
Speaker IBut to set the royal family aside from the rest of society, we start to see them with these elongated skulls, which doesn't have to be a alien connection to it.
Speaker IBut in the excavation in Amarna, they did find cones on top of skeleton's head.
Speaker INow these cones we can also see in the artwork.
Speaker IAnd these combs that makes your head look a bit taller, contained perfume fragrances so you would smell good.
Speaker ISo it seems to be a case where art and functionality kind of meets.
Speaker ISo of course you want to be depicted with a showing off that you participate in the latest fashion and all of that.
Speaker ISo you would have a higher skull so you can fit your more fragments cup under your wig.
Speaker ISo you will show to the world and show that in the afterlife you will still smell great and look fabulous.
Speaker ISo there we have it.
Speaker IWe don't have alien evidence for these elongated skulls in ancient Egypt.
Speaker IAnd the practice seems to be more artistic and practical.
Speaker IIt makes you smooth, smell a little bit better.
Speaker HSo we only been scratching the surface this entire time.
Speaker HArchaeologists are constantly finding new chambers in the pyramids that go far deeper than the outer ground level of the base.
Speaker HAnd they still haven't been able to find the bottom yet.
Speaker HSo exactly how deep does it go?
Speaker ISo were the pyramids built by giants or aliens or anything else?
Speaker IHi, I'm Frederik, I'm a dealing with misinformation and pseudoscience online.
Speaker II'm going to pull off this band aid quite quickly.
Speaker INo, the pyramids were not built by giants.
Speaker IIn fact, we actually know quite a lot more about the pyramids than these alternative historians like you to know.
Speaker IAnd while scans do show that there are some hollow areas within the pyramids, it's been long speculated by Egyptologists and archaeologists that the pyramid of Cheops, the Great Pyramid, would have these hollows to save time in the construction effort.
Speaker IWe know that part of the pyramid is filled with sand, rubble and other filling material, not solid stone blocks.
Speaker IFor example, there's this huge massive, this little stone hill inside the pyramid to save construction time.
Speaker IAnd since the pyramid rests on solid bedrock, it's quite impossible that it goes further down into bedrock itself.
Speaker IAnd since the foundation platform is very visible and actually well understood, it's thanks to the foundation platform, not the bedrock itself, that the pyramid managed to have this level surface that it actually have.
Speaker IAnd we can quite certainly say that the Great Pyramid was built during the reign of Hu First.
Speaker IAnd how do we know this?
Speaker IWell, we have several different types of evidence suggesting this.
Speaker IWe have carbon 14 samples as things Turns out the ancient Egyptians used ash and other organic materials in their mortar and their cement.
Speaker ISo we can actually use these organic materials to carbon 14 date the pyramid itself.
Speaker IAnd these dates all come back to being around the time of the reign of Khufu.
Speaker IAnd with the advancements of technology, we also have surface luminescence dating, so we can actually date when the stone was cut.
Speaker IAnd these dates again goes back to the reign of Khufu.
Speaker IAnd then we have the two sunships of Khufu.
Speaker IAnd the carbon 14 dating of these ships again shows that they are made during the reign of Khufu.
Speaker IAnd then we have the queen pyramids in the area.
Speaker IAll of them is tied to the reign of Khufu and especially the burial of Hepherus, that was Khufu's mother and the wife of Sneferu, the previous Pharaoh Khufu's father.
Speaker IAnd within Hetheparus burial, we actually found both he's name and Sneferu's name and Khufu's name.
Speaker IAnd inside the pyramid we have, well, graffiti from workers who have carved the name of the pyramid deep inside the layers of the pyramid.
Speaker IThis is not something that would be added later.
Speaker IAnd of course we have the Red Sea Scrolls, also known as Inspector Mer's journals.
Speaker IAnd these Red Sea scrolls are, well, a part of ledges of the, well federal government, so to say.
Speaker IIt kept track of delivery of different items, different things they needed to break stone.
Speaker IIt logs, mirrors, travels with the barges, delivering stone to the horizon of Khufu.
Speaker IThe horizon of Khufu was the name of the pyramid.
Speaker IAnd all of these documents, all of this evidence combined shows us quite clearly that this was built for Pharaoh Khufu as his burial.
Speaker IAnd while the pyramid has its potential origin from the Benben stone, the origin of the obelisk is a little bit different.
Speaker IIt probably go back to the sun temples built during the old kingdom.
Speaker IBut the obelisk's primary function was more of a way to, well, distribute propaganda information that the pharaohs wanted people to know about because they were an impressive way to brag about your achievements to the people there.
Speaker IWe have the quick and summarized version on how we know that the pyramids were built by ancient Egyptians and that the great Pyramid was built for Pharaoh Khufu during his reign.
Speaker CWomen here want to get married, have to cut off your own fingers, give it to the man as a dowry.
Speaker CIf a woman wants a divorce, the husband will cut off all the remaining five fingers.
Speaker CThis is the custom of amputation of Fingers in marriage of Lada tribe in Indonesia.
Speaker CIt is also a process that every woman must go through before getting married because there are more women than men here.
Speaker CWomen have no dignity.
Speaker JSo I stumbled upon this video and it felt quite odd from the start.
Speaker JSo I kind of had to look into it because there's a lot of videos out there, especially on this app, that deals with indigenous people and portraying them in very strange and problematic ways.
Speaker JSo what we see in the video is the Dani people that lives in modern Indonesia, but the tradition they spoke about is not connected at all to marriage or divorce or anything like that.
Speaker JIt originates from mourning.
Speaker JThe practice is called ikki paleg and it is a form of deep sorrow among the Dani people.
Speaker JIt's not just enough to mourn and weep.
Speaker JThey want to have a physical connection too, to this sorrow that they feel.
Speaker JTherefore, when a family member dies, there are some who practice cutting off a finger.
Speaker JAnd within the tradition of ikipalegi is mostly the woman who is expected to cut off one finger for remembering the dead relative.
Speaker JAnd it's only done for what's perceived as a close relative.
Speaker JAnd while the tradition is slowly getting phased out, it's still around to this day.
Speaker JAnd some scholars have pointed out that refusing to participate in this practice might not always be optional and that social sanctions and ostracation could be the result if you refuse participate in ikki palek.
Speaker JSo while there was some truth to the original video, a lot of it was made up.
Speaker JI'm not really sure where it originates from.
Speaker JI've tried to find that source, the original claim for this, and it seems to be posted on Facebook around 2022.
Speaker JBut other than that, I've not really been able to narrow down the real origin of this claim.
Speaker JBut I also seen it applied to.
Speaker JBut I also seen some post claiming it's from Africa, which is incorrect, or other regions.
Speaker JAnd often it seems to be used to show how barbaric or primitive these people are, which is not necessarily the case, even if the practice is so there seems to be a gand on how they want you to perceive these people, which is worth remembering when you encounter this out in the real world.
Speaker DSo we have on this channel spent some time looking for ancient pyramids in Europe and we got our first lead in Bosnia.
Speaker DBut those so called pyramids turn out to be just hills.
Speaker DSo, well, we have to cross out Bosnia as a location for ancient pyramids.
Speaker DAnd then I got a lead that took me to Greece, close to the city of Argos.
Speaker DThey were supposed to be be ancient Greek pyramids.
Speaker DSo I went there and I noticed that this was just towers.
Speaker DSo we kind of have to scratch Greece from this list too.
Speaker DSo could it be that Europe just doesn't have any ancient pyramids?
Speaker DThat's a possibility.
Speaker IBut I actually got an idea on.
Speaker DWhere we can find find some ancient pyramids.
Speaker AI think we need to head over to the airport.
Speaker DSo I have made my way all the way here to Rome where we find Europe's only ancient pyramid.
Speaker DSo behind me you can see the pyramid of Gaius Cestius.
Speaker DAs you might suspect, he's quite the important character within the ancient Romans society.
Speaker DHe was a praetor, a tribune of the plebs.
Speaker DHe was also an important member in one of Rome's religious corporations.
Speaker DHe served for some time as a septimir for the Apollonius, the religious corporation or one of four religious corporations operating in ancient Rome.
Speaker DThe pyramid was not built by Caesius himself, but it was upon his order.
Speaker DIn his time testament Cestius state that he wants this pyramid to be built outside of Rome and it was supposed to be built in 330 days.
Speaker DAnd this was an important number for Cestius and he left this construction project to his heir that we can find out the name of if we read on the side of the pyramid.
Speaker DSo on the side of the pyramid we find two texts.
Speaker DTechnically there's three texts.
Speaker DTwo of them are from the original construction of the pyramid.
Speaker DAnd then we have a third text that was written in the 1600s when an excavation around the pyramid took place trying to determine whose pyramid this was really because the Pope got a bit tired of the speculations of this being Romulus tomb or any other fantastic figure.
Speaker DAnd he wanted to get to the bottom of this and he then inscribed that the excavations took place at the bottom of the pyramid.
Speaker DSo if we go and read what's written on the pyramid we can learn the Gaius Cestius, son of Lucius of the Pulia, member of the college of Apollonius, praetor, tribune of the plebs, Septemvir of the Apollonius.
Speaker DThe work was completed in accordance with a will in 330 days by the decision of the heir, Lucius Pontus Mela, son of Publius of the Claudia and Pothus Freedman.
Speaker DAnd the most interesting thing about that face was that a freedman was mentioned on it.
Speaker DAnd Freedman, that's a Roman slave and he seems to gain quite of importance for the family.
Speaker DSo he was even mentioned in the text as one of those constructed these monuments as Cestius wanted them to.
Speaker DAnd while this today is a very busy well, intersection with a lot of traffic, this would not have been the case when the pyramid was construction back then.
Speaker DThis would have been the countryside, nice, quiet.
Speaker DAnd the reason for why this was located in the countryside was due to Roman burial practice you were not allowed to be buried in inside the city.
Speaker DTherefore he chose to build his pyramid outside on the countryside.
Speaker DBut the city grew and quickly the city had well eaten up its pyramid.
Speaker DAnd that's one reason why we actually have this pyramid preserved.
Speaker DYou see, there were actually two pyramids in ancient Rome, but only this one survives to this day.
Speaker DAnd this is because it was incorporated into the city wall we see behind us, constructed between 271 and 274 CE in attempt to defend the city of Rome itself.
Speaker DAnd this became a sort of well, tower and part of the city wall and therefore preserved to our days.
Speaker DWe're not entirely sure when the pyramid was construction, but most likely somewhere between 18 BC and 12 BCE.
Speaker DIt's not specified on the pyramid, but these are the most likely dates of the construction.
Speaker DAnd if we look a bit closer at the pyramid, we notice is that it's not really, it's not really that tall.
Speaker DIt's only some 29 meters, not too shabby.
Speaker DAnd we also have to remember that in ancient Rome there were different laws regarding how pompous you can make your monuments and the, your graves.
Speaker DAnd this is a rather pompous steel would be classified as modest, but it's probably why it's not taller than this.
Speaker DAnd if we look closer, we're noticing that it has a bit of a different shape than the pyramids we see in ancient Egypt.
Speaker DAnd that's most likely because it's not modeled after the Egyptian pyramids.
Speaker DNow you see, during Cestius lifetime, Rome incorporated Nubia into their empire.
Speaker DAnd the Nubian pyramid have these very steep angles that we see in this picture, for example.
Speaker DAnd worth mentioning is that if we go to Alexandria, this would have been the preferred building style too.
Speaker DThe Greeks living and ruling from Alexandria prefer the Nubian pyramid style over the traditional construction style of the pyramids.
Speaker DAnd if we look even closer at the stones and construction method used in this pyramid, we're noticing there's more difference between this pyramid and the Egyptian pyramids and even the Nubian pyramids in the construction style we see a lot of large, smaller stones has been used.
Speaker DThey use a different material of course here, but these smaller stones are built in an intricate pattern that we can recognize that we can recognize when we look closer at the pyramid.
Speaker DAnd I can't show you this today, but you can actually go inside the pyramid.
Speaker DIt does require a bit of planning though, and make sure that you actually can count the days.
Speaker DThe inside of the pyramids are open the second and fourth Saturday each month.
Speaker DSo if you want to go inside, these are the dates you should visit Rome.
Speaker DBut if you go inside side, we see frescoes and a quite modest burial chamber.
Speaker DWe don't see the corbel roof that we can spot in some pyramids in this pyramid, but it can be due to the, well, smaller size of this burial.
Speaker DSo that's it.
Speaker DThis is Europe's only ancient pyramid that still stands.
Speaker DAs you remember, there were two of these.
Speaker DOnly one is left.
Speaker DBut it's only here in Rome we find Europe's only ancient pyramids.
Speaker DNot in Bosnia, not in Greece.
Speaker DIt's right here.
Speaker DAnd I highly recommend coming here if you have the opportunity.
Speaker DIf you're in Rome, just go to the subway and you take the B line and you go to the station called Pyramidi.
Speaker DAnd there you will just go out of the station and basically encounter this.
Speaker DThe first thing you do when you come out.
Speaker DAnd that's it for me.
Speaker DAnd that's it.
Speaker DI hope to see you next time.
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