1 00:00:00,834 --> 00:00:04,045 We have something called the social work standards and ethics 2 00:00:04,045 --> 00:00:09,050 that we have to certain competencies that we have to to go by. 3 00:00:09,175 --> 00:00:11,761 They're all wrapped up in Matthew five six and seven. 4 00:00:11,761 --> 00:00:15,849 Conduct your life in a way of integrity, in a way of love, 5 00:00:16,558 --> 00:00:20,145 in a way of looking at yourself first and pouring out to others. 6 00:00:21,354 --> 00:00:21,980 There you have it. 7 00:00:21,980 --> 00:00:23,314 You're doing social work. 8 00:00:29,738 --> 00:00:30,030 All right. 9 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:33,033 Well, Elizabeth, welcome back to the podcast. 10 00:00:33,241 --> 00:00:35,368 So you're a social worker, in the city. 11 00:00:35,368 --> 00:00:39,164 And you also have a pretty fascinating testimony and story, 12 00:00:39,164 --> 00:00:42,167 which we're doing that as a whole, separate thing that will be released 13 00:00:42,167 --> 00:00:43,084 before this one. 14 00:00:43,084 --> 00:00:46,796 So, you know, people can check that out if they want to get more of your context. 15 00:00:47,088 --> 00:00:48,423 So we're not going to get into that part, 16 00:00:48,423 --> 00:00:53,136 but I do want to get into another piece of of your, well, your life story. 17 00:00:53,136 --> 00:00:55,096 And that is being a social worker. 18 00:00:55,096 --> 00:00:58,641 And focus in on that and exploring what is your role there. 19 00:00:58,767 --> 00:01:01,478 So let's start with some basics. 20 00:01:01,478 --> 00:01:04,439 What is a social worker and like what exactly do you do? 21 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:06,566 I mean, I I've never interviewed a social worker before. 22 00:01:06,566 --> 00:01:10,153 I, feel pretty clueless about this and I feel like I have a lot to learn, so. 23 00:01:10,153 --> 00:01:11,237 Yeah, tell me. 24 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:16,034 Yeah, it's of course it's a topic of choice for me, a preferred topic. 25 00:01:16,034 --> 00:01:20,038 So, because I did come from a, 26 00:01:20,288 --> 00:01:23,666 a worldly society or average American society. 27 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:28,463 I had a couple of years of college and before we came to the Anabaptist faith, 28 00:01:29,631 --> 00:01:32,675 then there came a point where I knew that 29 00:01:32,675 --> 00:01:35,678 I was going to have to take care of myself financially, 30 00:01:36,262 --> 00:01:39,474 and that my body might not always be able to be, 31 00:01:40,809 --> 00:01:42,143 able to take care of people. 32 00:01:42,143 --> 00:01:44,646 I worked in the field of disabilities, 33 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:48,274 and so I wouldn't always be able to physically take care of my folks. 34 00:01:48,274 --> 00:01:53,279 I needed a way to make a living that I could do past age 65. 35 00:01:53,696 --> 00:01:59,119 So that's just some pieces that fed into my pursuing social work. 36 00:02:00,203 --> 00:02:03,873 I got my four year degree, bachelor's degree, 37 00:02:03,873 --> 00:02:07,836 which is four years of college, in biblical studies 38 00:02:08,002 --> 00:02:12,340 and human Services was my minor, but just got tagged on to that. 39 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:16,845 And that's when I became interested in the idea of how social work can 40 00:02:17,053 --> 00:02:17,929 serve the church. 41 00:02:19,556 --> 00:02:21,349 And that put me on fire. 42 00:02:21,349 --> 00:02:24,602 And I ended up going to graduate school. 43 00:02:25,019 --> 00:02:28,022 And in May I received my master's degree in social work. 44 00:02:28,606 --> 00:02:31,609 So I am now working towards full licensure. 45 00:02:31,609 --> 00:02:34,612 That takes a year of supervision. 46 00:02:34,696 --> 00:02:37,907 And then I will be a licensed clinical social worker. 47 00:02:39,075 --> 00:02:41,369 So what what do you do exactly. 48 00:02:41,369 --> 00:02:42,912 Like like what does a social worker do? 49 00:02:42,912 --> 00:02:44,873 Currently I work as a behavioral consultant. 50 00:02:44,873 --> 00:02:48,084 I work with children that have intensive behavior issues. 51 00:02:49,252 --> 00:02:52,255 So I go into the homes and I 52 00:02:52,589 --> 00:02:55,550 look at what's going on, and I come up with a 53 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:59,387 I assess, I evaluate, come up with a treatment plan, say, 54 00:02:59,387 --> 00:03:04,517 this is how we're going to go after this bug, keep all the data. 55 00:03:04,976 --> 00:03:08,062 Teach people what to do and how to work with this child 56 00:03:08,855 --> 00:03:10,773 and bring them to where they want to be. 57 00:03:10,773 --> 00:03:11,858 Best case scenario. 58 00:03:13,318 --> 00:03:14,152 The beauty 59 00:03:14,152 --> 00:03:17,697 of social work to me, and what really attracted me is 60 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:20,700 it is such a wide, 61 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:24,162 wide variety of things you can do with it. 62 00:03:24,954 --> 00:03:27,332 At first, people hear social worker 63 00:03:27,332 --> 00:03:30,335 and they think of a lady with a clipboard, 64 00:03:30,376 --> 00:03:33,087 you know, taking children off to foster care. 65 00:03:33,087 --> 00:03:36,090 You know, it's got some real negative connotations. 66 00:03:36,591 --> 00:03:40,845 And in an urban area, it has really negative connotations. 67 00:03:41,679 --> 00:03:45,683 where I live and serve in my church is an urban setting. 68 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:49,103 So it's like, you know, 69 00:03:49,103 --> 00:03:51,856 it it does look a little odd, 70 00:03:51,856 --> 00:03:54,859 and I realize that, and I just acknowledge it and work through it. 71 00:03:55,276 --> 00:03:58,571 But a social worker can do that can work for the 72 00:03:58,571 --> 00:04:01,574 the county or whatever, and protect children in need. 73 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:05,036 A social worker can do so many things, work in a hospital, 74 00:04:05,036 --> 00:04:09,165 helping people to find the resources they need. 75 00:04:09,207 --> 00:04:11,084 Get grandma into a facility. 76 00:04:11,084 --> 00:04:12,627 Get some. Find a rehab. 77 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:17,882 Get finding services for people in the disability area. 78 00:04:17,966 --> 00:04:20,093 I can manage group homes. 79 00:04:20,093 --> 00:04:23,346 I can help people find get the services they need. 80 00:04:23,846 --> 00:04:26,516 What government programs they can and cannot get. 81 00:04:26,516 --> 00:04:27,475 What? 82 00:04:27,475 --> 00:04:29,644 What programs are appropriate for them? 83 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:32,397 You can work in a disaster 84 00:04:32,397 --> 00:04:36,776 situation helping people to figure out, okay, a tornado took my house. 85 00:04:36,776 --> 00:04:38,069 Now what do I do? 86 00:04:38,069 --> 00:04:39,487 All right, well, let's get you this aid. 87 00:04:39,487 --> 00:04:42,490 Let's let's plug in to this. 88 00:04:42,573 --> 00:04:45,576 As well as the component of sitting with the person. 89 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:48,830 And processing the difficulty. 90 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:54,127 You know, then my faith can come in if the if they're open to that, you know, and. 91 00:04:54,127 --> 00:04:58,631 Well, why would God let you know a flood take my entire house away? 92 00:04:59,090 --> 00:05:00,383 Why would God do that? 93 00:05:00,383 --> 00:05:03,386 You know, you can work at a hospital with dying children. 94 00:05:03,886 --> 00:05:05,722 You can. It's just. 95 00:05:05,722 --> 00:05:06,931 It's huge. 96 00:05:06,931 --> 00:05:11,644 You can work in a academic setting, teaching or school counselor. 97 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:15,189 You can work with the police department in a helping 98 00:05:15,189 --> 00:05:18,192 to get through their difficulties. 99 00:05:18,192 --> 00:05:19,777 You can. 100 00:05:19,777 --> 00:05:21,779 Come up with a mobile shower for homeless people. 101 00:05:23,114 --> 00:05:23,698 It's what? 102 00:05:23,698 --> 00:05:26,701 Wherever God calls you. So that. 103 00:05:27,035 --> 00:05:28,911 That clinched it for me. 104 00:05:28,911 --> 00:05:30,913 That wide variety. 105 00:05:30,913 --> 00:05:33,708 I can do wherever the Lord sends me. 106 00:05:33,708 --> 00:05:36,252 I'm equipped. 107 00:05:36,252 --> 00:05:38,004 Okay. So. Wow. 108 00:05:38,004 --> 00:05:41,632 That that's really helpful for me because it seems like 109 00:05:41,632 --> 00:05:45,636 there's a lot more variety here than what I thought, you know. 110 00:05:46,721 --> 00:05:49,223 So that's. Yeah, that's really something. 111 00:05:49,223 --> 00:05:51,726 So so you already mentioned some of the pieces, 112 00:05:51,726 --> 00:05:54,562 but if you want to add any more of like why did you choose this career 113 00:05:54,562 --> 00:05:57,565 and then the, the piece that I was really thinking about as like 114 00:05:57,774 --> 00:06:00,777 feels like this would be a pretty hard job sometimes, right? 115 00:06:00,943 --> 00:06:03,446 There's surely there's easier things to do. Yeah. 116 00:06:03,446 --> 00:06:05,198 So if you wanna speak into that. 117 00:06:05,198 --> 00:06:07,367 It is. It's messy. 118 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:10,370 And and we're walking into messy situations. 119 00:06:11,162 --> 00:06:14,207 But didn't Jesus do that when he walked into this earth? 120 00:06:14,999 --> 00:06:18,419 He walked into a messy, sin ruined situation. 121 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:22,382 So, you know, that kind of helps me, 122 00:06:23,257 --> 00:06:26,219 to take that context when I go into a house 123 00:06:26,511 --> 00:06:29,263 that might be culturally 124 00:06:29,263 --> 00:06:32,266 quite different from what I'm accustomed to. 125 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,853 That, you know, hey, Jesus visited a sin sick world 126 00:06:36,521 --> 00:06:42,318 and lived there for 33 years and bought all of that for an hour, hour and a half. 127 00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:47,615 I can sit here, you know, with various situations. 128 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:53,663 So, but a lot of it is the, the component of is the Lord putting me. 129 00:06:53,663 --> 00:06:56,332 Here. Or have I put myself here? 130 00:06:56,332 --> 00:06:59,293 That's important. That's an important piece. 131 00:06:59,293 --> 00:07:02,296 I'm not just here because I want to go and help these people. 132 00:07:03,714 --> 00:07:06,717 It's the Lord sending me there. 133 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,763 It feels like motive. 134 00:07:10,763 --> 00:07:13,474 Or the intention behind it is a is a really important piece 135 00:07:13,474 --> 00:07:16,477 that I keep hearing coming out with this. 136 00:07:16,477 --> 00:07:17,019 Right. 137 00:07:17,019 --> 00:07:17,728 I think it is. 138 00:07:17,728 --> 00:07:19,897 And it is for me as a Christian. 139 00:07:19,897 --> 00:07:24,277 And it's very much an outpouring of my faith for other social workers. 140 00:07:24,318 --> 00:07:27,780 It might be just that, that thing in them, 141 00:07:27,780 --> 00:07:30,783 that altruistic, I want to do good. 142 00:07:30,992 --> 00:07:36,456 You know, I want to make a impact on this injustice or that unjustice. 143 00:07:36,456 --> 00:07:40,960 You know, for me, my motivation is what would Jesus do? 144 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:44,297 Well you can get into that a bit more. 145 00:07:44,297 --> 00:07:45,381 Go a little deeper with that. 146 00:07:45,381 --> 00:07:48,342 How does your faith inform the work that you're doing? 147 00:07:49,343 --> 00:07:51,554 Which I'm sure there's many areas of intersection, 148 00:07:51,554 --> 00:07:55,475 but but again, I think there's, there is kind of a stigma around the social worker, 149 00:07:55,475 --> 00:07:58,394 like you said, the person with the, you know, stern and the, 150 00:07:58,394 --> 00:08:00,354 you know, the clipboard and things. 151 00:08:00,354 --> 00:08:02,023 So there's all these stigmas. 152 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:04,025 And so when I heard, oh, you're a social worker. 153 00:08:04,025 --> 00:08:05,526 Oh, that now that is interesting. 154 00:08:05,526 --> 00:08:09,322 You know, I want to drill into that a bit because how does what you believe, 155 00:08:09,322 --> 00:08:12,074 how does that inform what you do on a daily basis. Yeah. 156 00:08:12,074 --> 00:08:15,620 It does have an impact because of the outward testimony. 157 00:08:15,953 --> 00:08:19,040 You know I obviously look different than the people 158 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,043 in the inner city or the people that I serve. 159 00:08:22,668 --> 00:08:25,129 And so I get some real, 160 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:27,548 real blunt questions. 161 00:08:27,548 --> 00:08:29,467 You know, I work with kiddos right now, 162 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:32,512 or I work with adults that have intellectual disabilities. 163 00:08:32,512 --> 00:08:34,180 And their questions are real blunt. 164 00:08:34,180 --> 00:08:37,016 What's in your head? Yeah. 165 00:08:37,016 --> 00:08:37,767 Okay. 166 00:08:37,767 --> 00:08:39,769 You know, we've got to go here right now. 167 00:08:39,769 --> 00:08:40,520 You know, 168 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,232 so, you know, I kind of have some answers and I just say, oh, there's a Bible verse 169 00:08:44,232 --> 00:08:47,235 I really like that makes me want to wear it. 170 00:08:47,985 --> 00:08:49,028 That's enough for them. 171 00:08:49,028 --> 00:08:51,864 If mom wants to ask me later that's her thing. 172 00:08:51,864 --> 00:08:53,783 So you're working with fairly young people. 173 00:08:53,783 --> 00:08:54,116 You said. 174 00:08:54,116 --> 00:08:55,618 At this time? 175 00:08:55,618 --> 00:08:58,788 Most of my kiddos are like age 4 to 12. 176 00:08:58,955 --> 00:08:59,664 Okay. 177 00:08:59,664 --> 00:09:03,793 Most of my experience is with adults with intellectual disabilities. 178 00:09:03,834 --> 00:09:06,462 So then I've got a greater range. 179 00:09:06,462 --> 00:09:07,296 And I still do that. 180 00:09:07,296 --> 00:09:11,509 Like on a ministry level with those folks. 181 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:14,011 So that kind of 182 00:09:14,011 --> 00:09:17,765 lays my foundation, like, okay, I go with the Bible. 183 00:09:17,848 --> 00:09:19,684 That's my measuring stick. 184 00:09:19,684 --> 00:09:20,977 That's where I go. 185 00:09:20,977 --> 00:09:24,689 And then if they want to speak into that, fine. 186 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:26,899 If they want to ignore that, fine. 187 00:09:26,899 --> 00:09:29,902 Then we go on to the next thing. 188 00:09:30,027 --> 00:09:32,572 Something that really impacts 189 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:35,575 how my faith informs my social work practice. 190 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:36,200 Could. 191 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,911 Probably be summed up in Matthew five six and seven. 192 00:09:40,162 --> 00:09:43,583 We have something called the social work standards and ethics 193 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:48,588 that we have to certain competencies that we have to to go by. 194 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:51,299 They're all wrapped up in Matthew five six and seven. 195 00:09:51,299 --> 00:09:55,386 Conduct your life in a way of integrity, in a way of love, 196 00:09:56,095 --> 00:09:59,682 in a way of looking at yourself first and pouring out to others. 197 00:10:00,891 --> 00:10:01,517 There you have it. 198 00:10:01,517 --> 00:10:04,520 You're doing social work. 199 00:10:05,062 --> 00:10:06,897 so let's pivot slightly 200 00:10:06,897 --> 00:10:09,900 and say do you have challenges of balancing 201 00:10:09,900 --> 00:10:12,862 what you believe your convictions with the responsibilities of your job. 202 00:10:12,903 --> 00:10:14,572 Like do those ever misalign. 203 00:10:14,572 --> 00:10:17,742 And you have to kind of wrestle through that? 204 00:10:18,034 --> 00:10:18,659 Yeah. 205 00:10:18,659 --> 00:10:22,705 And that that would be what we call in the social work field ethical dilemmas. 206 00:10:22,955 --> 00:10:24,248 Okay. 207 00:10:24,248 --> 00:10:27,043 And but it happens to everybody. 208 00:10:27,043 --> 00:10:30,963 It doesn't just happen to a conservative Anabaptist out there. 209 00:10:31,464 --> 00:10:34,925 It also will happen to maybe somebody 210 00:10:34,925 --> 00:10:38,638 who's part of the LGBTQ community 211 00:10:39,388 --> 00:10:41,724 that needs to serve somebody 212 00:10:41,724 --> 00:10:44,602 who is got Trump signs all over their yard. 213 00:10:44,602 --> 00:10:45,561 You know. 214 00:10:45,561 --> 00:10:47,021 Yeah. You know. Okay. 215 00:10:47,021 --> 00:10:50,524 So if you're a social worker, you you're going to have to deal with that. 216 00:10:51,025 --> 00:10:54,570 And the answer is the same as the answers we see in the Bible 217 00:10:54,570 --> 00:10:56,030 and in the sermon on the Mount. 218 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:57,531 Look in at yourself. 219 00:10:57,531 --> 00:10:59,116 Know what you are. 220 00:10:59,116 --> 00:11:02,453 Know where you are before you be pouring out on other people. 221 00:11:03,871 --> 00:11:06,874 So that's how we're taught. 222 00:11:06,916 --> 00:11:09,919 You need to be aware if you have racial 223 00:11:11,420 --> 00:11:13,339 racial blind spots 224 00:11:13,339 --> 00:11:17,593 in either direction, whether you're a white person who has racial things there 225 00:11:17,593 --> 00:11:21,681 or whether you're a, social worker who is African American, 226 00:11:22,306 --> 00:11:26,769 who feels really ripped off and has had it with the system well, 227 00:11:26,769 --> 00:11:30,564 she can't be getting in the face of the white principal she's working with. 228 00:11:31,232 --> 00:11:32,733 You know about this. So. 229 00:11:32,733 --> 00:11:34,735 So we have to temper that. 230 00:11:34,735 --> 00:11:36,529 That's that's biblical. 231 00:11:36,529 --> 00:11:36,862 Okay. 232 00:11:36,862 --> 00:11:40,825 This is all the consider the beam in your own eye. 233 00:11:40,866 --> 00:11:42,868 You know 234 00:11:42,868 --> 00:11:45,705 so a lot of the concepts 235 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:48,833 very much tie in to my faith. 236 00:11:48,833 --> 00:11:51,836 And then the outpouring very much. Service. 237 00:11:52,044 --> 00:11:55,047 I mean, that's that's just plain a gospel fact. 238 00:11:56,215 --> 00:11:59,510 There have there been times when there was a real tension there that, 239 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,722 that if you're able to give like say a specific 240 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:05,725 example like okay, wow, here's one of those ethical dilemmas. 241 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:08,936 And you had to walk through that and try to find the 242 00:12:09,687 --> 00:12:12,690 I'm not even sure what you would say the, the middle ground or some. 243 00:12:12,690 --> 00:12:14,150 I almost don't like that word. 244 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:16,485 It feels like there's that's not quite the right thing 245 00:12:16,485 --> 00:12:18,738 I'm going for, but I think you get what I'm saying. 246 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:20,281 Common ground. Yeah. There you go. 247 00:12:20,281 --> 00:12:25,161 If I am sitting with somebody that is from the LGTBQ community, 248 00:12:26,996 --> 00:12:28,414 some might not 249 00:12:28,414 --> 00:12:31,375 all, but some might come at me as like, you're against me. 250 00:12:31,417 --> 00:12:33,294 You think I'm a sinner? 251 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:36,297 You know, it's like, technically, ain't we all? 252 00:12:37,006 --> 00:12:38,507 You know, 253 00:12:38,507 --> 00:12:40,760 I can relate to that person. 254 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,763 And part of it is because I've had an education. 255 00:12:43,804 --> 00:12:47,308 It might give me a little bit more of a the liberal viewpoint 256 00:12:47,641 --> 00:12:49,143 on some of that stuff. 257 00:12:49,143 --> 00:12:54,732 But it's like, yeah, but if somebody is in adultery 258 00:12:54,732 --> 00:12:57,777 or drunkard or whatever, I mean, it's all the same. 259 00:12:58,778 --> 00:13:03,449 It doesn't matter whether it's the if you're waving a rainbow flag 260 00:13:03,741 --> 00:13:06,744 or whether you're going to the bar or whether you're beating up your wife. 261 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:10,289 It's all the same, sin is sin is sin. 262 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:13,083 I want to go with what's common between you and me. 263 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:16,253 And let's focus on that. 264 00:13:16,253 --> 00:13:18,631 What do you need from me? I need you to understand me. 265 00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:19,799 I understand you're human. 266 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:22,301 We're good. Let's go. 267 00:13:22,301 --> 00:13:23,010 Okay. So. 268 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:24,720 So that's the. 269 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,389 Would that be one of the fundamental principles that you end up using. 270 00:13:27,389 --> 00:13:29,433 Then this concept of common ground? Yeah. 271 00:13:29,433 --> 00:13:32,520 You know, somebody, say I would be a school counselor, 272 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,189 and I have a teenager coming in, and she's like, 273 00:13:35,189 --> 00:13:38,192 I want an abortion, and I need you to help me get an abortion. 274 00:13:39,068 --> 00:13:41,362 I can't, you know, I can't do that. 275 00:13:41,362 --> 00:13:44,365 You know, so I can refer her to somebody. 276 00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:44,990 Okay. 277 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:48,744 Well I know of a place that shows you all your options. 278 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:50,454 Check that place out. 279 00:13:50,454 --> 00:13:52,790 Okay. See. 280 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:57,586 So that that gets a little more down into like a real tangible situation. 281 00:13:57,586 --> 00:14:00,381 Right. That, that could get messy really quick. 282 00:14:00,381 --> 00:14:01,632 We’re quizzed on that stuff. 283 00:14:01,632 --> 00:14:04,760 So what I wasn't sure if there are certain limitations 284 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,428 on what you're allowed to do. 285 00:14:06,428 --> 00:14:09,014 Like like why I'm sure there are certain there's parameters. 286 00:14:10,349 --> 00:14:11,392 The way you just described it. 287 00:14:11,392 --> 00:14:13,394 Oh, okay. I can see that. That makes sense. 288 00:14:13,394 --> 00:14:14,687 You know. 289 00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:15,104 Yeah. 290 00:14:15,104 --> 00:14:18,941 If a same sex couple comes to me and says I need marriage counseling. 291 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:23,821 You know, I can assess what their issues are in general 292 00:14:24,154 --> 00:14:28,158 and then I can say, hey, you know Sally over there, 293 00:14:28,409 --> 00:14:32,413 she really understands your community and your context. 294 00:14:32,413 --> 00:14:35,332 I think she's a better choice for you. 295 00:14:35,457 --> 00:14:37,668 That does make a lot of sense 296 00:14:37,668 --> 00:14:40,671 because wow I can still imagine 297 00:14:40,838 --> 00:14:43,841 tension being a possible thing. 298 00:14:44,341 --> 00:14:47,011 Well actually probably quite a lot in a lot of different ways. 299 00:14:47,011 --> 00:14:47,887 Right. 300 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:51,223 But then again, perhaps I'm looking at this 301 00:14:51,223 --> 00:14:55,561 a bit wrong, when in reality we all face this to one extent or another. 302 00:14:55,561 --> 00:14:58,105 Anytime you interact with society. 303 00:14:58,105 --> 00:14:59,315 You know, obviously you experienced it 304 00:14:59,315 --> 00:15:01,984 in one way as a social worker, but maybe all of us do. 305 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:03,193 I we interviewed. 306 00:15:03,193 --> 00:15:06,196 I'm just thinking, off the top of my head interviewed my dad, actually, about, 307 00:15:07,031 --> 00:15:10,784 his business stories and things like that and how standing up for, 308 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:13,287 you know, what was ethical, what was right 309 00:15:13,287 --> 00:15:13,871 and how was like 310 00:15:13,871 --> 00:15:16,874 sometimes that really cost, you know, and it was trying to find, again, 311 00:15:16,874 --> 00:15:19,919 you know, kind of common ground like, wow, I can't really do that because that's 312 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:20,920 that's not right, you know, 313 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,006 and sometimes that the stories don't always end amazing. 314 00:15:24,048 --> 00:15:27,760 You know, sometimes there's a real cost to standing up for something, right? But, 315 00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:30,679 and so maybe 316 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:32,765 some of what you're facing in these scenarios 317 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:36,185 that we're talking through is actually, something all of us face 318 00:15:36,393 --> 00:15:39,980 in one way or another is that you think, you know, respond to that. 319 00:15:40,064 --> 00:15:43,067 And just our view of of humankind. 320 00:15:43,817 --> 00:15:46,445 How do we minister and how do we relate to people. 321 00:15:46,445 --> 00:15:47,863 Now like I said, I'm in an urban 322 00:15:47,863 --> 00:15:52,076 setting in my church and our focus is serving that community, 323 00:15:52,284 --> 00:15:55,579 almost that neighborhood in the, in a city. 324 00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:59,208 You know, your neighborhood is like about about the block 325 00:15:59,208 --> 00:16:02,211 around you, you know, and of course, everything's upward. 326 00:16:02,252 --> 00:16:05,381 So there's, you know, 3 or 4 stories of families. 327 00:16:06,256 --> 00:16:09,093 But that's your little community. 328 00:16:09,093 --> 00:16:13,764 And you come across all kinds. 329 00:16:15,015 --> 00:16:16,809 But we need to 330 00:16:16,809 --> 00:16:19,812 just do that on a community basis 331 00:16:20,187 --> 00:16:22,690 and then it just gets bigger. Okay. 332 00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:25,693 So then we look at the whole city and how our church will then 333 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:28,070 hopefully impact the city which will 334 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:31,740 hopefully impact society which hopefully will impact eternity. 335 00:16:32,825 --> 00:16:33,909 You know so we're kind of 336 00:16:33,909 --> 00:16:37,121 starting with the neighborhood and making a spiral around. 337 00:16:38,330 --> 00:16:41,875 And that's one of the beauties of, of being in the city. 338 00:16:43,085 --> 00:16:44,878 Is that we are coming 339 00:16:44,878 --> 00:16:48,882 across folks that are fresh out of jail and homeless. 340 00:16:48,882 --> 00:16:51,010 And I mean that's who we serve. 341 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:53,637 That's our concentration for our congregation. 342 00:16:53,637 --> 00:16:57,850 That's where the Lord has called our congregation is with the homeless and, 343 00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:01,812 and those who don't have the services that they need. 344 00:17:02,396 --> 00:17:07,568 So my social work has been really working hand in hand with 345 00:17:08,277 --> 00:17:11,280 with my church's vision. 346 00:17:12,281 --> 00:17:15,951 I think that's another part but and maybe you can speak to that 347 00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:20,247 as well as how, what your work is doing, how that interfaces with say 348 00:17:20,247 --> 00:17:25,210 the different ministries that a church may do in this environment, say. 349 00:17:25,294 --> 00:17:25,669 Yeah. 350 00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:29,423 Well our church, the building itself was given to us 351 00:17:30,174 --> 00:17:34,303 by a congregation that had money and age 352 00:17:34,303 --> 00:17:38,807 but did not have the membership to sustain what they had gotten going. 353 00:17:39,349 --> 00:17:40,851 It's a huge building. 354 00:17:40,851 --> 00:17:44,813 Old fashioned stained glass windows, the church bell, the whole nine yards. 355 00:17:45,355 --> 00:17:47,191 They gave us the building, plus, 356 00:17:48,275 --> 00:17:50,235 plus plus. 357 00:17:50,235 --> 00:17:53,655 But one of the conditions was that we continue their homeless meal. 358 00:17:54,114 --> 00:17:55,407 It's what they called it. 359 00:17:55,407 --> 00:17:56,992 We call it a community meal. 360 00:17:56,992 --> 00:17:58,535 So you don't have to be homeless to be there. 361 00:17:58,535 --> 00:18:00,162 It's just anybody. 362 00:18:00,162 --> 00:18:04,875 And so we serve I think at this point it's has been pre-COVID. 363 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:06,835 We are nearly 100. 364 00:18:06,835 --> 00:18:09,838 Now it's probably up to about 40 folks 365 00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:13,300 that come in and we get we feed them, but we don't. 366 00:18:13,717 --> 00:18:15,969 We sit down and eat with them. 367 00:18:15,969 --> 00:18:18,972 They don't go through a line with a a tray. 368 00:18:19,807 --> 00:18:22,601 You know, we sit down, our families sit down, 369 00:18:22,601 --> 00:18:25,646 they get to experience us and we get to experience them. 370 00:18:26,063 --> 00:18:29,900 And that's our vision of impacting the community. 371 00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:33,654 Wow. And we've had people that come to church. 372 00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:37,950 I think almost all of our community, people that have attended our church 373 00:18:38,158 --> 00:18:41,912 came first to the community meal, to check these people out. 374 00:18:42,162 --> 00:18:43,872 You know, hey, I get it. 375 00:18:43,872 --> 00:18:45,082 You know, I totally get it. 376 00:18:46,083 --> 00:18:49,503 So, you know, that is kind of our way of serving. 377 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:53,632 So we're coming it up against people who just got out of jail 378 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:56,677 or have significant mental health 379 00:18:56,677 --> 00:19:00,806 diagnosis and can't maintain an apartment, and they're homeless 380 00:19:00,806 --> 00:19:04,852 and living under the bridge or don't want to because they believe 381 00:19:04,852 --> 00:19:07,855 the whole world's corrupt, who know, you know, all kinds of scenarios. 382 00:19:08,105 --> 00:19:10,315 We see all kinds of stuff. 383 00:19:10,315 --> 00:19:14,444 And so my, my social work practice has been able 384 00:19:14,444 --> 00:19:17,698 to inform the other people in the church. 385 00:19:18,198 --> 00:19:21,451 We have had people under various 386 00:19:22,202 --> 00:19:25,789 mental conditions, or sobriety conditions 387 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:31,086 that want to come to a church service, and they might be disruptive. 388 00:19:31,086 --> 00:19:33,505 How do we handle this? You know? 389 00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:35,215 They're just kind of like Elizabeth. 390 00:19:35,215 --> 00:19:40,220 Now, all the guys in my church have the crisis intervention number on their phone. 391 00:19:40,888 --> 00:19:42,472 Now they know the drill. 392 00:19:42,472 --> 00:19:43,599 Somebody is out of hand. 393 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,435 You know, this is the number I call. 394 00:19:46,435 --> 00:19:51,565 Now, We've had it happen where they've had to come in and escort the person out. 395 00:19:52,941 --> 00:19:55,319 We now have 396 00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:56,778 different 397 00:19:56,778 --> 00:19:59,781 plans in place for people that. 398 00:19:59,781 --> 00:20:02,034 Really, all they want is our bathroom. 399 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:03,076 They're homeless. 400 00:20:03,076 --> 00:20:04,286 They want to clean up. 401 00:20:04,286 --> 00:20:05,871 They want to use our bathroom. 402 00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:08,874 They have to sleep through church so that they can use our bathroom. 403 00:20:10,125 --> 00:20:11,210 Yeah. How do you handle that? 404 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:14,379 How do you handle your children seeing that? 405 00:20:16,256 --> 00:20:19,259 How much do you want your children interacting with them? 406 00:20:19,343 --> 00:20:22,346 You don't want them to be pulling away from it. 407 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:25,140 But is that person safe? 408 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:27,559 You know, all that stuff comes up. 409 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:28,101 And so I'm. 410 00:20:28,101 --> 00:20:31,939 I'm really grateful for my social work training that I can, 411 00:20:32,814 --> 00:20:36,568 you know, kind of stand in that gap a little bit, if that makes any sense. 412 00:20:37,444 --> 00:20:39,029 So it's been a real blessing. 413 00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:42,699 The Lord has just blessed it from all kinds of angles and made it 414 00:20:42,699 --> 00:20:44,076 clear to me that's the path 415 00:20:45,035 --> 00:20:48,038 that he wants me to serve him in. 416 00:20:48,288 --> 00:20:48,664 Okay. 417 00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:50,999 So I can imagine 418 00:20:50,999 --> 00:20:53,210 that you have a number of stories 419 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:56,964 and experiences and things you know, from this type of work. 420 00:20:57,089 --> 00:21:00,717 Is there one story in particular, perhaps, that you'd like to share with us 421 00:21:00,717 --> 00:21:03,345 that kind of captures what you're doing and why you do it? 422 00:21:03,345 --> 00:21:06,014 There's actually two hopefully I won't. 423 00:21:06,014 --> 00:21:07,516 Sure. 424 00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:10,477 The one story that has touched me 425 00:21:10,477 --> 00:21:14,690 the most is from our own groups. 426 00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:20,237 A group of church people came together to say to each other, 427 00:21:20,487 --> 00:21:24,741 we have a brother in our congregation who is a quadriplegic. 428 00:21:25,075 --> 00:21:29,162 He's 60 years old and his parents are getting old. 429 00:21:29,746 --> 00:21:33,834 What are we going to do when they cannot manage his care anymore? 430 00:21:34,876 --> 00:21:36,586 What they ended up doing was coming up 431 00:21:36,586 --> 00:21:40,549 with a multi church board, because we are in a larger area 432 00:21:41,508 --> 00:21:42,509 and they came up with a 433 00:21:42,509 --> 00:21:47,306 multi church board and built a house well, added on to a house 434 00:21:47,848 --> 00:21:50,851 and put up a group home for 435 00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:56,565 conservative anabaptists with disabilities that cannot be taken care of at home. 436 00:21:56,898 --> 00:21:59,401 But a nursing home isn’t inappropriate. 437 00:21:59,401 --> 00:22:05,324 They built this home that is awesome and I was very privileged. 438 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:09,619 And again, it was a total God thing that he landed me there to manage that home. 439 00:22:10,287 --> 00:22:13,915 First, the Lord took me through some training at a place, 440 00:22:14,458 --> 00:22:17,085 a very large ministry. 441 00:22:17,085 --> 00:22:19,338 So I learned how to run a group home 442 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:22,341 and really went through some stuff, learning that. 443 00:22:22,424 --> 00:22:26,094 And then it's like, that's why you had me go through that, Lord. 444 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,723 And so I had the privilege of managing that group home for seven years, 445 00:22:30,015 --> 00:22:34,227 watching the church interact with with our residents. 446 00:22:34,227 --> 00:22:38,190 We had three residents interacting as a church body. 447 00:22:38,523 --> 00:22:42,569 I mean, you know, as conservative anabaptists, we do that really well. 448 00:22:42,903 --> 00:22:45,280 And they did. Oh, they did. 449 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,075 So that it was just 450 00:22:48,075 --> 00:22:52,746 the church was working well and and it just wow, I loved 451 00:22:53,121 --> 00:22:57,084 I loved it, and I'm still very involved with the house, 452 00:22:58,043 --> 00:22:58,543 but my 453 00:22:58,543 --> 00:23:01,505 full time job is working as the behavior consultant. 454 00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:04,633 I go over to the group home, work weekends, or just hang out 455 00:23:05,008 --> 00:23:06,676 with my dear ones. But I lived there. 456 00:23:06,676 --> 00:23:11,765 I lived in an apartment above the house for seven years and managed the home. 457 00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:12,432 Yeah. 458 00:23:12,432 --> 00:23:16,478 That's, that seems like such a snapshot of the body of Christ 459 00:23:16,478 --> 00:23:19,398 coming together to, to to care for those in need, like. 460 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:20,315 Wow. Yeah. 461 00:23:20,315 --> 00:23:20,982 That's amazing. 462 00:23:20,982 --> 00:23:23,985 It was, it was is a God thing, you know? 463 00:23:24,569 --> 00:23:27,030 So so it was just. 464 00:23:27,030 --> 00:23:28,865 It just blessed my heart. 465 00:23:28,865 --> 00:23:32,702 And because that was a basically like a church mission. 466 00:23:33,995 --> 00:23:36,581 We weren't a licensed, and we only had three. 467 00:23:36,581 --> 00:23:39,876 If you have four or more residents, you need to be a licensed facility. 468 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:43,338 So now as a social worker and as a licensed 469 00:23:43,338 --> 00:23:46,758 social worker, I could have a licensed facility. 470 00:23:47,551 --> 00:23:49,928 Oh. Which could be 471 00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:52,556 I mean, it was much nicer to not have to deal 472 00:23:52,556 --> 00:23:57,436 with all the paperwork, regulations and licensure, but I knew the rules. 473 00:23:57,436 --> 00:24:03,150 I could keep standard that House, you know, would have passed an inspection. 474 00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:05,193 I knew what the regulations were. 475 00:24:05,193 --> 00:24:06,361 I could keep that. 476 00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:09,656 It was all, you know, absolutely. 477 00:24:09,656 --> 00:24:11,700 You know, legal and on the up and up. 478 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:15,495 But if other groups, other states, I would know how 479 00:24:16,663 --> 00:24:19,791 now, how to do that and help other groups do that. 480 00:24:19,791 --> 00:24:21,668 And I do work with, 481 00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:26,006 Anabaptist Disabilities Network and some different places 482 00:24:26,006 --> 00:24:30,260 who have interest in that, this sort of, church outreach. 483 00:24:31,261 --> 00:24:34,806 So that's, that's my probably my favorite story. 484 00:24:36,558 --> 00:24:39,227 My other one, is what I see 485 00:24:39,227 --> 00:24:42,230 in my congregation. 486 00:24:43,273 --> 00:24:46,276 I just when I see 487 00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:50,155 the men for lack of a better I mean, the women do it too. 488 00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:54,367 But you know, men lead out in relating to these folks 489 00:24:55,035 --> 00:24:59,164 that are from the community and dealing with these situations, 490 00:25:00,123 --> 00:25:03,126 just from what they know in the Bible 491 00:25:03,126 --> 00:25:06,129 and just what the Holy Spirit is doing in their hearts, 492 00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:09,591 and the answers and responses that they are 493 00:25:09,591 --> 00:25:14,012 giving to these people are the same things that we're learning. 494 00:25:14,012 --> 00:25:15,931 That's thus and thus model. 495 00:25:15,931 --> 00:25:17,849 Oh, that's this such a technique. 496 00:25:17,849 --> 00:25:19,100 Oh, that was, you know. 497 00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:20,810 But this is 498 00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:23,813 just coming out of Christ in them. 499 00:25:23,897 --> 00:25:26,900 And it's like, wow, 500 00:25:26,983 --> 00:25:29,986 you know, they didn't have to be taught to do that. 501 00:25:30,445 --> 00:25:33,448 You know, because they're open to learning. 502 00:25:34,074 --> 00:25:35,617 You know, 503 00:25:35,617 --> 00:25:38,119 I mean, yeah, none of them probably knew 504 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,248 what crisis intervention was before we started our church. 505 00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:43,625 You know, they're learning. 506 00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:48,213 But yeah, it's just really touching to see the church. 507 00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:50,423 Work and. 508 00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:53,635 We hear a lot of complaints about the church this the church that, you know, 509 00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:57,180 but I think it does us well to concentrate 510 00:25:57,180 --> 00:26:00,183 on when the church is working well. 511 00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:03,270 I think our ministers and our leaders deserve that. 512 00:26:04,771 --> 00:26:07,941 Yeah I was just going to say there are so many examples of that. 513 00:26:08,191 --> 00:26:12,487 You know where you do see, you look around, you're like oh whoa. 514 00:26:12,487 --> 00:26:15,407 That, that church did something really incredible there. 515 00:26:15,407 --> 00:26:20,161 Really served its community and like made a difference in the local environment. 516 00:26:20,161 --> 00:26:23,748 And people look at them like, wow, that's that's amazing. 517 00:26:23,790 --> 00:26:24,040 You know. 518 00:26:25,083 --> 00:26:27,669 And that feels like we're on such solid 519 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:31,756 historical footing, like, you know, the the church's has has always done that. 520 00:26:31,798 --> 00:26:32,215 You can 521 00:26:32,215 --> 00:26:35,677 trace that thread, you know, all back back all the way to Jesus and the apostles. 522 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:37,596 And that's a beautiful legacy. 523 00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:40,849 You know, and anyways, so that story you told about the 524 00:26:41,516 --> 00:26:42,892 the home that you were involved in. 525 00:26:42,892 --> 00:26:46,438 That's that's pretty spectacular, actually. 526 00:26:46,438 --> 00:26:51,026 And, maybe there's someone listening, been like, like, hey, we should. 527 00:26:51,026 --> 00:26:52,736 Yeah, we should think about doing something like that. Like, 528 00:26:52,736 --> 00:26:56,489 how can we care for the people in the in these types of situations, you know. 529 00:26:56,781 --> 00:27:00,118 And it can be switched into any situation, 530 00:27:00,410 --> 00:27:03,413 you know, here in our area and, and other areas, there are, 531 00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:06,625 kind of settings for people struggling 532 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:11,671 with crisises in their life or mental health issues 533 00:27:11,671 --> 00:27:16,134 or family issues or, you know, things like that, 534 00:27:16,676 --> 00:27:21,765 or they if they if the church feels led to have a homeless shelter. 535 00:27:22,932 --> 00:27:25,310 How would they start doing that? 536 00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:28,313 If our churches had more social workers? 537 00:27:29,397 --> 00:27:30,732 We can help with that, you know? 538 00:27:30,732 --> 00:27:33,026 So that was kind of something that inspired me. 539 00:27:33,026 --> 00:27:35,278 I feel like the church needs social workers, 540 00:27:35,278 --> 00:27:38,281 and I think social work needs the church. 541 00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:39,574 Yeah. Yeah. 542 00:27:39,574 --> 00:27:41,284 And I think that is a pretty important piece 543 00:27:41,284 --> 00:27:44,621 that this isn't something that's happening in isolation. 544 00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:44,829 Right. 545 00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:47,832 Like this is interfacing close or should be I guess you're saying, 546 00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:50,669 interfacing very closely with the local churches, you know? 547 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:51,586 Yeah. 548 00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:54,964 as we bring this episode to a close, what's a piece of advice 549 00:27:54,964 --> 00:27:57,967 or something you'd like to leave the listeners? 550 00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:02,639 Like I said, I, I feel that the church needs more social workers, 551 00:28:02,639 --> 00:28:08,144 and I feel like, as general society declines and becomes more complicated, 552 00:28:09,479 --> 00:28:11,106 we plain people aren't going 553 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:14,109 to enjoy the wide margins that we have from the government. 554 00:28:15,276 --> 00:28:18,279 You know, right now they leave us school our own. Or. 555 00:28:18,613 --> 00:28:20,198 Have births at home or whatever. 556 00:28:20,198 --> 00:28:23,535 They kinda, you know, we get a lot of awful lot of privilege. 557 00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:27,330 Actually, I think we're probably, as a Mennonite woman, I think 558 00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:30,333 I'm probably about the most privileged, 559 00:28:30,667 --> 00:28:32,877 you know, segment of society that there is. 560 00:28:32,877 --> 00:28:37,590 There's people open doors and hand me their babies and walk away. 561 00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:40,468 You know, it's just like, you know, It's awesome. 562 00:28:40,468 --> 00:28:43,471 But, you know, I can see how that could decline. 563 00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:46,057 Very rapidly. 564 00:28:46,057 --> 00:28:48,560 And, you know, so now I'm getting a little intellectual here, but 565 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,563 I just feel like as a church, 566 00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:54,691 we need to be able to handle that. 567 00:28:56,109 --> 00:28:58,486 And I so I think 568 00:28:58,486 --> 00:29:02,157 my part of being a social worker could help that. 569 00:29:02,407 --> 00:29:06,703 And all those who are out there who are paramedics or doctors. 570 00:29:07,328 --> 00:29:12,876 Or. Mamas raising their babies, I mean we all are doing, you know, 571 00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:15,879 like we can all contribute to that if we're wise, 572 00:29:16,671 --> 00:29:21,843 you know, and think about the church and how we as a church can impact, 573 00:29:23,011 --> 00:29:24,971 you know, like I was saying before about, 574 00:29:24,971 --> 00:29:27,932 you know, community go wider, 575 00:29:27,932 --> 00:29:30,935 you know, society go wider, 576 00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:35,440 eternity, you know, just keep opening up that lens 577 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,443 and letting letting your impact or letting Christ, 578 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:41,821 Christ, in you, impact. 579 00:29:42,739 --> 00:29:44,449 This has been fascinating. 580 00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:49,037 I, I hope this episode has encouraged people to have a better understanding 581 00:29:49,037 --> 00:29:51,706 of this type of work and also encourage people to say, oh, 582 00:29:51,706 --> 00:29:52,874 you know, let's think creatively. 583 00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:57,796 Like how, how could our church, you know, get involved in, in society around us. 584 00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:00,965 You know, like you said, start a homeless shelter or, you know, help 585 00:30:00,965 --> 00:30:04,093 this person in this particular situation, whatever that might be. 586 00:30:04,093 --> 00:30:05,970 There's lots and lots of options. Yeah. 587 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:07,555 We do community well. Yeah. 588 00:30:07,555 --> 00:30:10,391 You know like you said historically I mean that's what we do. 589 00:30:10,391 --> 00:30:13,937 Well. So let's give Christ 590 00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:16,523 while we're doing that. 591 00:30:16,523 --> 00:30:18,775 Let's make sure people are taking Christ with them. 592 00:30:18,775 --> 00:30:23,404 Not shoo fly pie you know and yeah barn raising. 593 00:30:23,446 --> 00:30:24,656 So you know those are great things. 594 00:30:24,656 --> 00:30:26,074 Those are valid things. 595 00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:29,077 But let's give them Christ. 596 00:30:29,285 --> 00:30:30,495 Yeah. 597 00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:30,870 That's it. 598 00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:33,665 That's that's some powerful pieces to leave us with. 599 00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:37,126 Well Elizabeth, thanks for taking the time to come on and share with us today. 600 00:30:37,126 --> 00:30:38,878 I really appreciate this. 601 00:30:39,921 --> 00:30:42,173 Thanks for listening to this episode with Elizabeth. 602 00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:45,093 There's much more to her story that we weren't able to cover, but you can 603 00:30:45,093 --> 00:30:49,347 find that whole story of how she went from being Roman Catholic to the Amish 604 00:30:49,347 --> 00:30:53,059 and then on to the Mennonites in the episode linked down below. 605 00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:56,729 If you appreciate what we're doing here at Anabaptist Perspectives, consider 606 00:30:56,729 --> 00:31:00,692 joining our exclusive Partner podcast, which is available to monthly supporters 607 00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:01,442 of any amount. 608 00:31:01,442 --> 00:31:04,946 You can sign up through our website and we'll see you in the next episode.