We have something called the social work standards and ethics
that we have to certain competencies that we have to to go by.
They're all wrapped up in Matthew five six and seven.
Conduct your life in a way of integrity, in a way of love,
in a way of looking at yourself first and pouring out to others.
There you have it.
You're doing social work.
All right.
Well, Elizabeth, welcome back to the podcast.
So you're a social worker, in the city.
And you also have a pretty fascinating testimony and story,
which we're doing that as a whole, separate thing that will be released
before this one.
So, you know, people can check that out if they want to get more of your context.
So we're not going to get into that part,
but I do want to get into another piece of of your, well, your life story.
And that is being a social worker.
And focus in on that and exploring what is your role there.
So let's start with some basics.
What is a social worker and like what exactly do you do?
I mean, I I've never interviewed a social worker before.
I, feel pretty clueless about this and I feel like I have a lot to learn, so.
Yeah, tell me.
Yeah, it's of course it's a topic of choice for me, a preferred topic.
So, because I did come from a,
a worldly society or average American society.
I had a couple of years of college and before we came to the Anabaptist faith,
then there came a point where I knew that
I was going to have to take care of myself financially,
and that my body might not always be able to be,
able to take care of people.
I worked in the field of disabilities,
and so I wouldn't always be able to physically take care of my folks.
I needed a way to make a living that I could do past age 65.
So that's just some pieces that fed into my pursuing social work.
I got my four year degree, bachelor's degree,
which is four years of college, in biblical studies
and human Services was my minor, but just got tagged on to that.
And that's when I became interested in the idea of how social work can
serve the church.
And that put me on fire.
And I ended up going to graduate school.
And in May I received my master's degree in social work.
So I am now working towards full licensure.
That takes a year of supervision.
And then I will be a licensed clinical social worker.
So what what do you do exactly.
Like like what does a social worker do?
Currently I work as a behavioral consultant.
I work with children that have intensive behavior issues.
So I go into the homes and I
look at what's going on, and I come up with a
I assess, I evaluate, come up with a treatment plan, say,
this is how we're going to go after this bug, keep all the data.
Teach people what to do and how to work with this child
and bring them to where they want to be.
Best case scenario.
The beauty
of social work to me, and what really attracted me is
it is such a wide,
wide variety of things you can do with it.
At first, people hear social worker
and they think of a lady with a clipboard,
you know, taking children off to foster care.
You know, it's got some real negative connotations.
And in an urban area, it has really negative connotations.
where I live and serve in my church is an urban setting.
So it's like, you know,
it it does look a little odd,
and I realize that, and I just acknowledge it and work through it.
But a social worker can do that can work for the
the county or whatever, and protect children in need.
A social worker can do so many things, work in a hospital,
helping people to find the resources they need.
Get grandma into a facility.
Get some. Find a rehab.
Get finding services for people in the disability area.
I can manage group homes.
I can help people find get the services they need.
What government programs they can and cannot get.
What?
What programs are appropriate for them?
You can work in a disaster
situation helping people to figure out, okay, a tornado took my house.
Now what do I do?
All right, well, let's get you this aid.
Let's let's plug in to this.
As well as the component of sitting with the person.
And processing the difficulty.
You know, then my faith can come in if the if they're open to that, you know, and.
Well, why would God let you know a flood take my entire house away?
Why would God do that?
You know, you can work at a hospital with dying children.
You can. It's just.
It's huge.
You can work in a academic setting, teaching or school counselor.
You can work with the police department in a helping
to get through their difficulties.
You can.
Come up with a mobile shower for homeless people.
It's what?
Wherever God calls you. So that.
That clinched it for me.
That wide variety.
I can do wherever the Lord sends me.
I'm equipped.
Okay. So. Wow.
That that's really helpful for me because it seems like
there's a lot more variety here than what I thought, you know.
So that's. Yeah, that's really something.
So so you already mentioned some of the pieces,
but if you want to add any more of like why did you choose this career
and then the, the piece that I was really thinking about as like
feels like this would be a pretty hard job sometimes, right?
There's surely there's easier things to do. Yeah.
So if you wanna speak into that.
It is. It's messy.
And and we're walking into messy situations.
But didn't Jesus do that when he walked into this earth?
He walked into a messy, sin ruined situation.
So, you know, that kind of helps me,
to take that context when I go into a house
that might be culturally
quite different from what I'm accustomed to.
That, you know, hey, Jesus visited a sin sick world
and lived there for 33 years and bought all of that for an hour, hour and a half.
I can sit here, you know, with various situations.
So, but a lot of it is the, the component of is the Lord putting me.
Here. Or have I put myself here?
That's important. That's an important piece.
I'm not just here because I want to go and help these people.
It's the Lord sending me there.
It feels like motive.
Or the intention behind it is a is a really important piece
that I keep hearing coming out with this.
Right.
I think it is.
And it is for me as a Christian.
And it's very much an outpouring of my faith for other social workers.
It might be just that, that thing in them,
that altruistic, I want to do good.
You know, I want to make a impact on this injustice or that unjustice.
You know, for me, my motivation is what would Jesus do?
Well you can get into that a bit more.
Go a little deeper with that.
How does your faith inform the work that you're doing?
Which I'm sure there's many areas of intersection,
but but again, I think there's, there is kind of a stigma around the social worker,
like you said, the person with the, you know, stern and the,
you know, the clipboard and things.
So there's all these stigmas.
And so when I heard, oh, you're a social worker.
Oh, that now that is interesting.
You know, I want to drill into that a bit because how does what you believe,
how does that inform what you do on a daily basis. Yeah.
It does have an impact because of the outward testimony.
You know I obviously look different than the people
in the inner city or the people that I serve.
And so I get some real,
real blunt questions.
You know, I work with kiddos right now,
or I work with adults that have intellectual disabilities.
And their questions are real blunt.
What's in your head? Yeah.
Okay.
You know, we've got to go here right now.
You know,
so, you know, I kind of have some answers and I just say, oh, there's a Bible verse
I really like that makes me want to wear it.
That's enough for them.
If mom wants to ask me later that's her thing.
So you're working with fairly young people.
You said.
At this time?
Most of my kiddos are like age 4 to 12.
Okay.
Most of my experience is with adults with intellectual disabilities.
So then I've got a greater range.
And I still do that.
Like on a ministry level with those folks.
So that kind of
lays my foundation, like, okay, I go with the Bible.
That's my measuring stick.
That's where I go.
And then if they want to speak into that, fine.
If they want to ignore that, fine.
Then we go on to the next thing.
Something that really impacts
how my faith informs my social work practice.
Could.
Probably be summed up in Matthew five six and seven.
We have something called the social work standards and ethics
that we have to certain competencies that we have to to go by.
They're all wrapped up in Matthew five six and seven.
Conduct your life in a way of integrity, in a way of love,
in a way of looking at yourself first and pouring out to others.
There you have it.
You're doing social work.
so let's pivot slightly
and say do you have challenges of balancing
what you believe your convictions with the responsibilities of your job.
Like do those ever misalign.
And you have to kind of wrestle through that?
Yeah.
And that that would be what we call in the social work field ethical dilemmas.
Okay.
And but it happens to everybody.
It doesn't just happen to a conservative Anabaptist out there.
It also will happen to maybe somebody
who's part of the LGBTQ community
that needs to serve somebody
who is got Trump signs all over their yard.
You know.
Yeah. You know. Okay.
So if you're a social worker, you you're going to have to deal with that.
And the answer is the same as the answers we see in the Bible
and in the sermon on the Mount.
Look in at yourself.
Know what you are.
Know where you are before you be pouring out on other people.
So that's how we're taught.
You need to be aware if you have racial
racial blind spots
in either direction, whether you're a white person who has racial things there
or whether you're a, social worker who is African American,
who feels really ripped off and has had it with the system well,
she can't be getting in the face of the white principal she's working with.
You know about this. So.
So we have to temper that.
That's that's biblical.
Okay.
This is all the consider the beam in your own eye.
You know
so a lot of the concepts
very much tie in to my faith.
And then the outpouring very much. Service.
I mean, that's that's just plain a gospel fact.
There have there been times when there was a real tension there that,
that if you're able to give like say a specific
example like okay, wow, here's one of those ethical dilemmas.
And you had to walk through that and try to find the
I'm not even sure what you would say the, the middle ground or some.
I almost don't like that word.
It feels like there's that's not quite the right thing
I'm going for, but I think you get what I'm saying.
Common ground. Yeah. There you go.
If I am sitting with somebody that is from the LGTBQ community,
some might not
all, but some might come at me as like, you're against me.
You think I'm a sinner?
You know, it's like, technically, ain't we all?
You know,
I can relate to that person.
And part of it is because I've had an education.
It might give me a little bit more of a the liberal viewpoint
on some of that stuff.
But it's like, yeah, but if somebody is in adultery
or drunkard or whatever, I mean, it's all the same.
It doesn't matter whether it's the if you're waving a rainbow flag
or whether you're going to the bar or whether you're beating up your wife.
It's all the same, sin is sin is sin.
I want to go with what's common between you and me.
And let's focus on that.
What do you need from me? I need you to understand me.
I understand you're human.
We're good. Let's go.
Okay. So.
So that's the.
Would that be one of the fundamental principles that you end up using.
Then this concept of common ground? Yeah.
You know, somebody, say I would be a school counselor,
and I have a teenager coming in, and she's like,
I want an abortion, and I need you to help me get an abortion.
I can't, you know, I can't do that.
You know, so I can refer her to somebody.
Okay.
Well I know of a place that shows you all your options.
Check that place out.
Okay. See.
So that that gets a little more down into like a real tangible situation.
Right. That, that could get messy really quick.
We’re quizzed on that stuff.
So what I wasn't sure if there are certain limitations
on what you're allowed to do.
Like like why I'm sure there are certain there's parameters.
The way you just described it.
Oh, okay. I can see that. That makes sense.
You know.
Yeah.
If a same sex couple comes to me and says I need marriage counseling.
You know, I can assess what their issues are in general
and then I can say, hey, you know Sally over there,
she really understands your community and your context.
I think she's a better choice for you.
That does make a lot of sense
because wow I can still imagine
tension being a possible thing.
Well actually probably quite a lot in a lot of different ways.
Right.
But then again, perhaps I'm looking at this
a bit wrong, when in reality we all face this to one extent or another.
Anytime you interact with society.
You know, obviously you experienced it
in one way as a social worker, but maybe all of us do.
I we interviewed.
I'm just thinking, off the top of my head interviewed my dad, actually, about,
his business stories and things like that and how standing up for,
you know, what was ethical, what was right
and how was like
sometimes that really cost, you know, and it was trying to find, again,
you know, kind of common ground like, wow, I can't really do that because that's
that's not right, you know,
and sometimes that the stories don't always end amazing.
You know, sometimes there's a real cost to standing up for something, right? But,
and so maybe
some of what you're facing in these scenarios
that we're talking through is actually, something all of us face
in one way or another is that you think, you know, respond to that.
And just our view of of humankind.
How do we minister and how do we relate to people.
Now like I said, I'm in an urban
setting in my church and our focus is serving that community,
almost that neighborhood in the, in a city.
You know, your neighborhood is like about about the block
around you, you know, and of course, everything's upward.
So there's, you know, 3 or 4 stories of families.
But that's your little community.
And you come across all kinds.
But we need to
just do that on a community basis
and then it just gets bigger. Okay.
So then we look at the whole city and how our church will then
hopefully impact the city which will
hopefully impact society which hopefully will impact eternity.
You know so we're kind of
starting with the neighborhood and making a spiral around.
And that's one of the beauties of, of being in the city.
Is that we are coming
across folks that are fresh out of jail and homeless.
And I mean that's who we serve.
That's our concentration for our congregation.
That's where the Lord has called our congregation is with the homeless and,
and those who don't have the services that they need.
So my social work has been really working hand in hand with
with my church's vision.
I think that's another part but and maybe you can speak to that
as well as how, what your work is doing, how that interfaces with say
the different ministries that a church may do in this environment, say.
Yeah.
Well our church, the building itself was given to us
by a congregation that had money and age
but did not have the membership to sustain what they had gotten going.
It's a huge building.
Old fashioned stained glass windows, the church bell, the whole nine yards.
They gave us the building, plus,
plus plus.
But one of the conditions was that we continue their homeless meal.
It's what they called it.
We call it a community meal.
So you don't have to be homeless to be there.
It's just anybody.
And so we serve I think at this point it's has been pre-COVID.
We are nearly 100.
Now it's probably up to about 40 folks
that come in and we get we feed them, but we don't.
We sit down and eat with them.
They don't go through a line with a a tray.
You know, we sit down, our families sit down,
they get to experience us and we get to experience them.
And that's our vision of impacting the community.
Wow. And we've had people that come to church.
I think almost all of our community, people that have attended our church
came first to the community meal, to check these people out.
You know, hey, I get it.
You know, I totally get it.
So, you know, that is kind of our way of serving.
So we're coming it up against people who just got out of jail
or have significant mental health
diagnosis and can't maintain an apartment, and they're homeless
and living under the bridge or don't want to because they believe
the whole world's corrupt, who know, you know, all kinds of scenarios.
We see all kinds of stuff.
And so my, my social work practice has been able
to inform the other people in the church.
We have had people under various
mental conditions, or sobriety conditions
that want to come to a church service, and they might be disruptive.
How do we handle this? You know?
They're just kind of like Elizabeth.
Now, all the guys in my church have the crisis intervention number on their phone.
Now they know the drill.
Somebody is out of hand.
You know, this is the number I call.
Now, We've had it happen where they've had to come in and escort the person out.
We now have
different
plans in place for people that.
Really, all they want is our bathroom.
They're homeless.
They want to clean up.
They want to use our bathroom.
They have to sleep through church so that they can use our bathroom.
Yeah. How do you handle that?
How do you handle your children seeing that?
How much do you want your children interacting with them?
You don't want them to be pulling away from it.
But is that person safe?
You know, all that stuff comes up.
And so I'm.
I'm really grateful for my social work training that I can,
you know, kind of stand in that gap a little bit, if that makes any sense.
So it's been a real blessing.
The Lord has just blessed it from all kinds of angles and made it
clear to me that's the path
that he wants me to serve him in.
Okay.
So I can imagine
that you have a number of stories
and experiences and things you know, from this type of work.
Is there one story in particular, perhaps, that you'd like to share with us
that kind of captures what you're doing and why you do it?
There's actually two hopefully I won't.
Sure.
The one story that has touched me
the most is from our own groups.
A group of church people came together to say to each other,
we have a brother in our congregation who is a quadriplegic.
He's 60 years old and his parents are getting old.
What are we going to do when they cannot manage his care anymore?
What they ended up doing was coming up
with a multi church board, because we are in a larger area
and they came up with a
multi church board and built a house well, added on to a house
and put up a group home for
conservative anabaptists with disabilities that cannot be taken care of at home.
But a nursing home isn’t inappropriate.
They built this home that is awesome and I was very privileged.
And again, it was a total God thing that he landed me there to manage that home.
First, the Lord took me through some training at a place,
a very large ministry.
So I learned how to run a group home
and really went through some stuff, learning that.
And then it's like, that's why you had me go through that, Lord.
And so I had the privilege of managing that group home for seven years,
watching the church interact with with our residents.
We had three residents interacting as a church body.
I mean, you know, as conservative anabaptists, we do that really well.
And they did. Oh, they did.
So that it was just
the church was working well and and it just wow, I loved
I loved it, and I'm still very involved with the house,
but my
full time job is working as the behavior consultant.
I go over to the group home, work weekends, or just hang out
with my dear ones. But I lived there.
I lived in an apartment above the house for seven years and managed the home.
Yeah.
That's, that seems like such a snapshot of the body of Christ
coming together to, to to care for those in need, like.
Wow. Yeah.
That's amazing.
It was, it was is a God thing, you know?
So so it was just.
It just blessed my heart.
And because that was a basically like a church mission.
We weren't a licensed, and we only had three.
If you have four or more residents, you need to be a licensed facility.
So now as a social worker and as a licensed
social worker, I could have a licensed facility.
Oh. Which could be
I mean, it was much nicer to not have to deal
with all the paperwork, regulations and licensure, but I knew the rules.
I could keep standard that House, you know, would have passed an inspection.
I knew what the regulations were.
I could keep that.
It was all, you know, absolutely.
You know, legal and on the up and up.
But if other groups, other states, I would know how
now, how to do that and help other groups do that.
And I do work with,
Anabaptist Disabilities Network and some different places
who have interest in that, this sort of, church outreach.
So that's, that's my probably my favorite story.
My other one, is what I see
in my congregation.
I just when I see
the men for lack of a better I mean, the women do it too.
But you know, men lead out in relating to these folks
that are from the community and dealing with these situations,
just from what they know in the Bible
and just what the Holy Spirit is doing in their hearts,
and the answers and responses that they are
giving to these people are the same things that we're learning.
That's thus and thus model.
Oh, that's this such a technique.
Oh, that was, you know.
But this is
just coming out of Christ in them.
And it's like, wow,
you know, they didn't have to be taught to do that.
You know, because they're open to learning.
You know,
I mean, yeah, none of them probably knew
what crisis intervention was before we started our church.
You know, they're learning.
But yeah, it's just really touching to see the church.
Work and.
We hear a lot of complaints about the church this the church that, you know,
but I think it does us well to concentrate
on when the church is working well.
I think our ministers and our leaders deserve that.
Yeah I was just going to say there are so many examples of that.
You know where you do see, you look around, you're like oh whoa.
That, that church did something really incredible there.
Really served its community and like made a difference in the local environment.
And people look at them like, wow, that's that's amazing.
You know.
And that feels like we're on such solid
historical footing, like, you know, the the church's has has always done that.
You can
trace that thread, you know, all back back all the way to Jesus and the apostles.
And that's a beautiful legacy.
You know, and anyways, so that story you told about the
the home that you were involved in.
That's that's pretty spectacular, actually.
And, maybe there's someone listening, been like, like, hey, we should.
Yeah, we should think about doing something like that. Like,
how can we care for the people in the in these types of situations, you know.
And it can be switched into any situation,
you know, here in our area and, and other areas, there are,
kind of settings for people struggling
with crisises in their life or mental health issues
or family issues or, you know, things like that,
or they if they if the church feels led to have a homeless shelter.
How would they start doing that?
If our churches had more social workers?
We can help with that, you know?
So that was kind of something that inspired me.
I feel like the church needs social workers,
and I think social work needs the church.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I think that is a pretty important piece
that this isn't something that's happening in isolation.
Right.
Like this is interfacing close or should be I guess you're saying,
interfacing very closely with the local churches, you know?
Yeah.
as we bring this episode to a close, what's a piece of advice
or something you'd like to leave the listeners?
Like I said, I, I feel that the church needs more social workers,
and I feel like, as general society declines and becomes more complicated,
we plain people aren't going
to enjoy the wide margins that we have from the government.
You know, right now they leave us school our own. Or.
Have births at home or whatever.
They kinda, you know, we get a lot of awful lot of privilege.
Actually, I think we're probably, as a Mennonite woman, I think
I'm probably about the most privileged,
you know, segment of society that there is.
There's people open doors and hand me their babies and walk away.
You know, it's just like, you know, It's awesome.
But, you know, I can see how that could decline.
Very rapidly.
And, you know, so now I'm getting a little intellectual here, but
I just feel like as a church,
we need to be able to handle that.
And I so I think
my part of being a social worker could help that.
And all those who are out there who are paramedics or doctors.
Or. Mamas raising their babies, I mean we all are doing, you know,
like we can all contribute to that if we're wise,
you know, and think about the church and how we as a church can impact,
you know, like I was saying before about,
you know, community go wider,
you know, society go wider,
eternity, you know, just keep opening up that lens
and letting letting your impact or letting Christ,
Christ, in you, impact.
This has been fascinating.
I, I hope this episode has encouraged people to have a better understanding
of this type of work and also encourage people to say, oh,
you know, let's think creatively.
Like how, how could our church, you know, get involved in, in society around us.
You know, like you said, start a homeless shelter or, you know, help
this person in this particular situation, whatever that might be.
There's lots and lots of options. Yeah.
We do community well. Yeah.
You know like you said historically I mean that's what we do.
Well. So let's give Christ
while we're doing that.
Let's make sure people are taking Christ with them.
Not shoo fly pie you know and yeah barn raising.
So you know those are great things.
Those are valid things.
But let's give them Christ.
Yeah.
That's it.
That's that's some powerful pieces to leave us with.
Well Elizabeth, thanks for taking the time to come on and share with us today.
I really appreciate this.
Thanks for listening to this episode with Elizabeth.
There's much more to her story that we weren't able to cover, but you can
find that whole story of how she went from being Roman Catholic to the Amish
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