Evan: Uh yeah so i you know you've been on before i i i'm gonna record like the little

Evan: intro thing later so i'm just gonna be just pretend like i just said all those

Evan: things and i'll be like thanks for joining me libby and that's it cool.

Libby: Thanks for having me oh.

Evan: I guess i i was that was just my friend that

Evan: was just my uh my uh telling you that but i i should just do it i swear to god

Evan: the beginning of the every i've done this like over 100 times and like the first

Evan: minute and the the last minute are always just very much like i don't know what

Evan: to do now sit back in your seats get something to eat watch this movie don't look like you can see,

Evan: thank you,

Evan: all right well thank you for joining me today libby thank.

Libby: You for having me.

Evan: Yes of course so as i mentioned in the intro we're talking about the Kill Bill Volume 1 and Volume 2,

Evan: single movie that was technically two movies, and I just learned today that

Evan: the reason they split it up is because of Harvey Weinstein.

Evan: What? Yeah, he said that the movie was too long, so he said,

Evan: oh, why don't we just do two movies?

Libby: I mean, it is like four hours.

Evan: I know. It would have been ridiculous as one movie. I mean, let's face it.

Libby: Imagine sitting in the theater for that whole thing. I mean,

Libby: I fucking love the movie, but I don't know if I could sit in the theater about it.

Evan: Yeah the first one is 111 minutes to an hour and 40 and the second one is 140

Evan: minutes so two and a half yeah that'd be that's a big commitment i don't know

Evan: if i'm committed enough titanic i've never seen titanic actually i think at this point i just either.

Libby: I don't i don't know what you're talking about.

Evan: Well at this point i'd say it's too late it's too late to see titanic but it's

Evan: never too late. I guess that's true.

Libby: But I mean, that's like one of the things in the movie. Anyway,

Libby: you don't have to talk about Titanic.

Evan: No, no. Yeah, no. But when I, when I, you, so we were talking about doing Kill

Evan: Bill like a long time ago.

Evan: You said it was like a, one of your favorites. I mean, what's your,

Evan: did you see them in the theater? Did you have like a.

Libby: So yeah, no, it just kind of like creeped into my life.

Libby: Like I saw it in chunks, like when I, when it first came out,

Libby: you know, and then I don't know what it was, but I just, it's like every time

Libby: a man disappoints me, I watch the fucking movie.

Libby: It is, it really, it really scratches that itch.

Evan: Well, I mean.

Libby: So that means I watch it like quarterly.

Evan: Yeah well i mean it's uh it does definitely have that ultimate it's like the

Evan: ultimate revenge movie i mean i can't think of the.

Libby: Thing i love about it most is every female character is a strong female character

Libby: like there's i i think there's one

Libby: like sophie she's a little damsel and distressing like ish but otherwise.

Evan: The lawyer you're talking about uh.

Libby: Like sophie the one that gets like her arms and stuff chopped off.

Evan: Yeah yeah she's like the lawyer or something like that i don't remember her yeah.

Libby: I think like the assistant.

Evan: Assistant yeah something like that.

Libby: But she was like in with the crew like she was at the like the wedding massacre.

Evan: Yeah you're right though every but otherwise.

Libby: All all strong female characters they all kick ass i love that about the movie.

Evan: Yeah it is true i mean even aside from with

Evan: thurman you have for the people who may not have seen a

Evan: while you have lucy lu who hadn't been in something

Evan: in a while apparently it's like i was watching a something with

Evan: tarantino how he ended up picking all the people apparently he picked

Evan: vivica a fox because he was at a video

Evan: store and saw a movie that she had been in a few years before and goes why haven't

Evan: i seen her in anything she should be in in my movie and that was how she got

Evan: pick to be in in this random yeah and the same thing with a bunch of the other

Evan: ones like daryl hannah was randomly selected i don't remember the story for

Evan: her she's brilliant yeah she is great i.

Libby: Love her character in that.

Evan: And michael madsen the guy who plays bud he sort

Evan: of now i now i need to

Evan: cut that whole part out because i'm like oh i have the story about all of them and i just forgot

Evan: all of them but oh the the best one though is david caradine who plays you know

Evan: the title character director bill yeah he they couldn't find anyone that would

Evan: do it they wanted to get a bunch of different actors none of them wanted to

Evan: learn how to do like martial arts but he already did know how to do martial

Evan: arts from being in a bunch of you know movies in the 80s he.

Libby: Doesn't really do anything martial like he.

Evan: Doesn't really that's true he's like does he even have a fight at all well.

Libby: Like at the end but it's like a quick little.

Evan: Yeah he doesn't really do a whole lot it's more like him throwing some knives

Evan: and shooting a gun a few times and yeah i guess that's true i don't know why

Evan: they needed well anyway but he's great in it i mean everyone from top to bottom

Evan: is pretty pretty awesome but i mean the the for anyone again who hasn't seen it the,

Evan: First part of this, volume one, essentially, is you kind of get a very limited

Evan: kind of backstory about Uma Thurman.

Evan: You learn that she was just referred to as the bride.

Evan: She gets shot, you know, during her wedding.

Evan: And she begins her revenge tour. It kind of takes you back to when she was originally,

Evan: you know, in the hospital after getting shot.

Evan: And then you pretty much have about 30 to 40 minutes of this movie of the hour

Evan: and 40 minutes of just a ridiculous fight scene where she kills, what, 88 people?

Libby: Fuck yeah.

Evan: Just murders people left and right.

Libby: I heard during when she's massacring the crazy 88 or whatever,

Libby: I heard that they had to put it in black and white because it was so much blood

Libby: that it would have made the rating high.

Evan: That's true. True.

Libby: Yep.

Evan: I just saw that today too. They said there was too much gore that with the color

Evan: would have just been too over the top.

Libby: I would have been here for it, but that's whatever. Yeah.

Evan: And the other thing I learned today too is so in that fight scene,

Evan: there is no special effects at all.

Evan: And to do the blood, which is crazy, it took them two months to film that one scene.

Evan: And the blood was all packed inside of condoms, which is like the way they would

Evan: do it in old Japanese samurai films, things like that.

Evan: So that's how they got the use. I don't know. I saw the thing,

Evan: something like 3,000 gallons of blood or something in the movie.

Libby: Yeah i like when i like how if there becomes a

Libby: swimming pool of blood that like somebody like

Libby: falls in and it's like just blood mixed

Libby: into like the fountain that was there but it looks like it's

Libby: a swimming pool of blood uh it's just the the whole i love the whole movie and

Libby: like i love the like the spray blood that like is pretty consistent through

Libby: tarantino movies a lot of times because I know I've seen it in another one, or in Django Unchained.

Evan: Yeah, there was that one. I think also in what's the one with all the Nazis?

Evan: Inglourious Basterds, I think that has a couple scenes like that too. He loves the...

Libby: Yeah, I like that blood spray, the way they do it.

Libby: Like when Lucy Liu, she runs across the table and you don't even see her do

Libby: it but all of a sudden, poof, the head is gone and then there's just blood spraying and,

Libby: the line when she's like if any of you sons

Libby: of bitches have anything else you want

Libby: to say now's the fucking time and like the like the empowerment behind that

Libby: statement like she's like standing on a conference table with a bunch of men

Libby: and they're like at her feet and she's saying like now's the fucking and ready

Libby: to cut their head off like i love it i love it.

Evan: Yeah there is lots of yeah that goes back to all the like

Evan: powerful you know women so but as far as like aside from like the plot of the

Evan: movie i mean as i said you know the the first you learn that how she dies or

Evan: how she gets shot you know with thurman's character the bride for the whole

Evan: first movie they also don't say what her name is they just like bleep it out

Evan: i don't know what was the reason for that even.

Libby: Like halfway through the second.

Evan: Yeah i guess that's true i don't know what the reason for keeping her name out

Evan: of it i i guess well no i guess they do say it though right he just.

Libby: Maybe he just wanted to get Uma Thurman into a schoolgirl.

Evan: Costume.

Libby: Just because he's Quentin Tarantino.

Evan: Yeah, yeah. Well, I'll definitely get to the problematic Tarantino,

Evan: which everyone from other, I've talked about a few other of his films,

Evan: and he's got some issues.

Evan: But the, so yeah, so they, you find out that she is shot, she's in the hospital,

Evan: and she goes to Vivica Fox's house.

Evan: house i think her name is the vernita green i think is they're all part of this

Evan: sort of green they're all part of this sort of like you know basically a hit squad under bill yeah.

Libby: And everybody's got like a snake

Libby: name and she's mad that um b has black mamba she's like i should have.

Evan: Been black mamba and she's just copperhead that's right that's right yeah copperhead

Evan: and so she basically you know they do this kick-ass fight scene like the one

Evan: sad thing is like the that Vivica

Evan: Fox's kid is in the house when she does this, and it's sort of weird.

Libby: Do you know...

Libby: there's a lot of speculation and tarantino has

Libby: said no a lot of times but like imagine a sequel

Libby: to this where like the kids end up

Libby: like they grow up and like you know b's older does l actually survive like like

Libby: there's and like with uh bb she grows up you know like they get older so it

Libby: could be a sequel later on but there was speculation that could happen but But

Libby: Quentin Tarantino keeps saying like, that'll never happen. But it's so interesting.

Evan: I've heard that where he joked, or maybe he in passing said,

Evan: someone was like, oh, what if you did volume three?

Evan: And it was, you know, your 10th film.

Evan: And he said, oh, you know, maybe, but I doubt he'd do it. I doubt he would.

Evan: He's not the kind of guy that would redo his shit.

Libby: Didn't he say that like, he only had a certain number of movies that he ever

Libby: wanted to do. And then he's hit that number. So he's not doing any more movies.

Evan: Yeah, he has one left and he wants, and he was going to do one.

Evan: It was all planned out and then he canceled it.

Evan: And I think he should just stop doing that and just make movies and stop being such a bitch.

Evan: It's like, you like making movies. Why do you have to, I guess his theory is,

Evan: you know, eventually you start making crappy movies at the end of your career.

Evan: So he just goes out on top. I don't know.

Libby: Yeah.

Evan: Tarantino's a weird guy.

Libby: He's a weird guy. That's a good way to say it.

Evan: Yeah. Yeah, and I guess I'll just at the top to talk about one of the two things

Evan: that kind of cloud the movie is in the second film,

Evan: volume two, there is a scene where Uma's driving down a road fast in a car and

Evan: they wouldn't give her a stunt double.

Evan: Apparently, they gave the stunt double the day off. The head of the stunt department wasn't there.

Evan: Quentin Tarantino convinced her to do the stunt anyway, and she crashed the

Evan: car into a tree and messed up her knee and some other things,

Evan: and then didn't come out until...

Evan: 10 years or 15 years later and he apologized released the footage and all this

Evan: and she also was abused by harvey weinstein so she definitely she deserves some revenge,

Evan: revenge in the movie yeah and she was like choked too.

Libby: With a chain right like that was for real choking.

Evan: Yes i don't know if she got as hurt as from doing that but i do know the the

Evan: whole i mean crashing your car because they wouldn't get the stunt double like

Evan: just so i don't so you're we We were talking about like the.

Libby: Scene with Vivica A. Fox and like the daughter and stuff. Yeah, that is sad.

Libby: But like, and one thing that bothered me is like, they say that she's four and

Libby: she gets off the bus by herself.

Libby: Like, I don't know. I guess it's hard to like nitpick consistency in this movie

Libby: because there's a lot that's like you gotta, you know, just roll with. But yeah.

Evan: Suspend her. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I don't remember them saying

Evan: she was four, but you think that she would be at minimum kindergarten, right?

Libby: Well, four is like preschool age still.

Evan: Five?

Libby: And like, yeah.

Evan: Yeah, that's pretty young.

Libby: And they say she's four because that's the same age as Bebe.

Evan: Right, right. Yeah, for anyone who doesn't know, Bebe is Uma Thurman's daughter

Evan: who she was pregnant with when she's shot.

Evan: And you think she believes that she dies, but we learn later that she's not dead.

Evan: So I just spoiled it for everyone. But it's been 20 years.

Libby: You should have seen it by now. Yeah, this is, like, there's...

Evan: Sorry, everyone.

Libby: There really shouldn't be spoiler warnings, because it's old enough.

Evan: No, no. At this point, on this point, like, people have... Actually,

Evan: someone once got mad at me because a guest spoiled a movie that wasn't the one we were talking about.

Evan: He just randomly was like, oh, it's like this movie where this happened.

Evan: And someone goes, oh, you shouldn't have kept that in.

Evan: And I just didn't, I just forgot to cut it out. But I don't know.

Evan: we're that whatever who gives a shit anyway but

Evan: yeah the the um like yeah so you have

Evan: the that's kind of the middle of the movie and then you have her is this when

Evan: is it in the first is it the first movie where she's in she's in the hospital

Evan: right and they show that like the guy with the pussy wagon who's basically bringing

Evan: people into labor while she's in a coma for four years it's so fucked up one.

Libby: Thing about that is like so she's being like raped the whole time that she's like in a coma, right?

Libby: The way that they do not touch on any sort of trauma that she would have gotten

Libby: during that, I mean, maybe she just, like, jammed it all in until the end and used it as fuel,

Libby: but, like, how little that is addressed is very fucked up to me.

Evan: I don't know why they needed... I don't know, I mean...

Libby: I guess another layer of revenge.

Evan: Because the way that.

Libby: Like, she, like, kills him by, like, biting his face off, like, went you know.

Evan: That's right and then the way.

Libby: That like she kills the other guy like she like jams his head in the door he's

Libby: like please stop hitting me.

Evan: Yeah the and so and the other thing too that's pretty cool i mean i can't even

Evan: i'm not even going to bother listing them all but there's probably something

Evan: like 20 25 different movies that he references in different you know scenes

Evan: and the way they're doing it but one the one that

Evan: I was going to mention is when Uma Thurman wakes up from her coma is the same,

Evan: uh thing that she did in pulp fiction when she gets the shroud of.

Libby: Adrenaline from her overdose she like flies up so it's yeah so.

Evan: That was a little.

Libby: Homage to.

Evan: That but there's so many clips from from you know shots from.

Libby: It's so many again there's probably 20 or 25 different

Libby: any original thoughts for like how scenes

Libby: should like play out because it's so

Libby: many references like i was watching on like

Libby: one of the apps that like tells you all

Libby: of like every little detail behind the the scenes or whatever and yeah and it

Libby: was just every single one was this movie this and i shut it off because like

Libby: i can't sit and read every single reference to the 800 different movies that

Libby: he bit off to make this movie yeah.

Evan: Like there's like the the scene too where um where what is uh daryl ellie driver

Evan: her name's uh mountain snake i think was her no.

Libby: I don't know which you know You know what? I don't know what snake, but yeah, L.

Evan: Yeah, L. Driver. When she's dressed up in the nurse's outfit and she's walking

Evan: down the hall whistling that very catchy tune, that's basically lifted from

Evan: the movie Twisted Nerve.

Evan: And then the needle part is from another movie I can't remember.

Evan: Again, there's so many movies that are referenced.

Libby: You remember in the early aughts how you had ringtones, like you would buy ringtones.

Libby: The whistle was my ringtone.

Libby: Even to this day, I have all Kill Bill sounds on my phone that it makes it.

Evan: That that that whistle is such a i mean when i think of the the music or the

Evan: soundtrack it's really good it's all done by rza too when but the uh sound that it makes.

Libby: When b sees somebody that she's gonna fucking kill like one of the people on her revenge list.

Evan: Oh i love.

Libby: That like the siren sound it's awesome.

Evan: That's also well it makes you.

Libby: Like really revved like oh fuck yeah it's on like.

Evan: Well the music is different i think it's like the the weird like where it kind

Evan: of zooms in and out and it's got like a weird red tint to it or something.

Evan: I think that happens when she walks into the club in the first movie.

Evan: No? Or maybe it happens a few times.

Libby: Every time she sees one of her intended targets.

Evan: Got it. Okay. Yeah, that's right. Right. Yeah. That part is...

Evan: That's such a cool... I mean, even if Quentin Tarantino is ripping off of 50

Evan: other movies, at least it looks good Yeah, it comes together and it's fucking awesome.

Libby: It's my favorite movie. Absolutely my favorite movie.

Evan: And then so after she's in the hospital, we find out she's getting raped constantly.

Evan: She kills them, she leave so it's it's like

Evan: this whole shit with quentin tarantino the non-linear first you

Evan: see how she gets shot and then you go to where

Evan: she kills one of you know vivica fox and then it goes back again how she got

Evan: the pussy wagon because i think she gets into the car and people like what the

Evan: fuck why is she driving this ridiculous car and then you see the dudes uh you

Evan: know the guy who's yeah and then and then they go to the then i think she goes

Evan: to japan right she goes to get the

Evan: hanzo sword which is first but they.

Libby: Don't show it until second.

Evan: That's right yep that's right she because they show the list and

Evan: she's already crossed off but you don't know until i guess

Evan: the end of the first movie that's when she kills yeah after

Evan: the long drawn-out scene but the but what's crazy

Evan: is the guy who plays uh hattori hanzo that he he is a the actor was like a legend

Evan: in japanese movies and he actually did make like swords on the side so that

Evan: was you know it wasn't and just oh they're just gonna throw throw this guy in

Evan: here yeah he's uh like the the actor is um,

Evan: uh sony chiba and also in true romance which is a movie i just did on the podcast

Evan: in the very first scene they go to a movie theater and they're watching a sony

Evan: chiba movie so he loves these he loves japanese well i guess he got to flex that muscle.

Libby: A lot for this movie then you know like the,

Libby: The scene with Bea and Oren when they're like facing off with like the,

Libby: I mean, I don't understand how they have this winter scene behind that whole

Libby: club, but that's besides the point.

Libby: It's still so cool with like the fountain that like the water goes down and it's like,

Libby: and then it like makes like a repetitive sound and the snow being so serene

Libby: and they're like just like splattering blood across it. It's so cool.

Evan: Yeah there's um yeah that scene is real i mean

Evan: it's so crazy because you go from that black and white to like the white snow

Evan: outside i mean maybe that was just the it looked cool i mean i don't know i

Evan: don't know how much it snows in japan i don't know why they i mean again it

Evan: looks pretty damn uh cool and then the guy too the guy who plays the head of

Evan: the security gordon lau he also

Evan: plays the um like the who's the name of their elite like the the master who

Evan: teaches them in the second movie i'm blanking on his name right now yeah so

Evan: he's played this it's the same actor oh wow.

Libby: I didn't know that damn.

Evan: Yeah he's also like a legend as far as um you

Evan: know i think he did he was also in you

Evan: know like the shaolin which is what you know the wu-tang clan used

Evan: their thing after the 36 chamber he was

Evan: in all those movies in the 80s so he's he like all the stuff he

Evan: was doing was probably just straight up just he could do it he

Evan: didn't have to no you have to teach him shit can you

Evan: can you hear the thunder behind me oh it's it just started

Evan: storming it's so loud i'm surprised you can't hear it maybe i

Evan: maybe it'll be on my end but yeah the yeah so then they go to japan and he he

Evan: you know she gets the sword which essentially is you know her murder weapon

Evan: like that whole part too i mean i at first the first time i saw the movie i'm

Evan: like why is she sitting in this random like sushi restaurant getting sushi and

Evan: then the the owner is like arguing with,

Evan: Hattori Hanzo like that part's also really funny he's like get him get him the

Evan: water and all this shit and I don't know just every little scene of going up

Evan: to the room seeing the swords convincing him to make the sword again and so

Evan: this actually leads me to one of my questions like a couple of the like sort of,

Evan: I don't want to call them philosophical questions but like the whole story is

Evan: about revenge and do you think that like does Uma Thurman even though that That

Evan: she's received all of this trauma.

Evan: She was raped while in a coma. She was shot while she was pregnant in the head.

Evan: All this fucked up stuff happens. But does she bear any responsibility for becoming

Evan: basically a trained killer?

Libby: You know, I think that... So at the end, right, with Bill, he's like,

Libby: why didn't you ever tell me that Pai Mei taught you that five point...

Libby: exploding heart trick or whatever um she's

Libby: like because i'm a bad person so she like

Libby: i think she knew and like before she was

Libby: pregnant and she says like if this had if this

Libby: was any other time when she's facing karen at the like hotel that she's staying

Libby: in that she was gonna go and kill yeah whoever whatever um she's like any other

Libby: time you would be right and she ran away she That was the whole point of her

Libby: getting away, was to get out of the killer life.

Libby: So she knew it was wrong. She knew it was shitty. But then when they shot her

Libby: in the fucking head, she's like, well, now I got to go kill everybody.

Evan: Yeah, that's true. I mean, she does openly admit, you know, you don't really

Evan: get any information, I don't think, of her childhood.

Evan: You do get some for some of the other, I think it's, what is it?

Libby: O-Ren, they say her whole backstory.

Evan: Yeah, for her, that was the cartoon, the anime they do for that is also pretty damn awesome, too.

Evan: I guess, so for her, she knows what she's doing. She's also a person who's built

Evan: on revenge, but again, it would be interesting to know what Uma Thurman's backstory

Evan: is, which you never really...

Evan: How does she end up getting mixed up with Bill? There's no real...

Libby: So I have a theory of how she got mixed up with

Libby: bill this is this is a big theory though okay and

Libby: i tried looking that up on the internet no one else is talking

Libby: about this but no no theory is too big no theories i think that this movie is

Libby: actually about a polycule becoming unraveled okay so like it can draw a parallel

Libby: to everything that would happen with everybody breaking up all right so i think

Libby: that bill Bill and Bea were like,

Libby: they had a hierarchy relationship and she was his primary partner and Elle didn't

Libby: like that and Elle wanted to be the primary partner, so that's why they were rivals.

Libby: I think Elle and Bill's brother, Bud,

Libby: I think they were together and I say this

Libby: with no evidence whatsoever all on

Libby: vibes of what i think that like people like who

Libby: they would be like i think that b and vivica a fox i think that they got together

Libby: sometimes i think that um oren and bud got together and they're like an odd

Libby: couple but i think that that makes sense um for.

Libby: Only in my mind does it make sense but the

Libby: way everybody breaks up no i mean it's bill bill

Libby: is like the head guy right and then bill

Libby: the bud the brother any like so

Libby: it gets so complicated the way any polycule would and when um b like extricates

Libby: herself from it everybody's mad at her so So everybody wants to make her a pariah

Libby: if that was a polycule and not like a assassin gang.

Libby: So like, yeah, that's just my theory that I've come up with.

Libby: And Bill being like, I think he's like a Daddy Dom kink guy. Like, absolutely.

Libby: Because that's how he comes across.

Evan: I can see that.

Libby: And even at the like, it ends up it's not a wedding.

Libby: it's a wedding rehearsal and she's like this

Libby: is my daddy like it like i it you know like there's a lot of that that was creepy

Libby: with this theory that i just made up based on vibes and maybe i'm projecting

Libby: shit onto it that may or may not have ever been part of my life well.

Evan: Here's another thing that's weird i'm not this is not to like discount it but

Evan: here's another thing i'm thinking You have Vivek A.

Evan: Fox's character, when at the beginning of the movie, when she goes to kill her,

Evan: when Bea goes to kill her, she's like now just a mother living, just living her life.

Evan: She's basically what Uma Thurman wanted to have, right? She wanted to just.

Evan: Have her kid, be married. But she was allowed to do that, right?

Evan: She was allowed to leave the gang and be- Yeah, but she wasn't the primary partner.

Libby: She was, you know- Right.

Evan: That's exactly what I was going to say, is that she wasn't the top of the food

Evan: chain, so Bill didn't really care. It wasn't really-

Libby: And maybe she had remorse. Maybe she had genuine remorse.

Libby: She was like, damn, Bill just shot my pregnant friend or my partner,

Libby: former partner, whatever, if they had ever been together.

Libby: She's like, damn, that's fucked up, and got extricated herself,

Libby: but in a way that Bill wouldn't go kill her about. I don't know.

Evan: They all seemed, I mean, they all, except for Bill, seemed remorseful for what they did.

Libby: But especially, he's like, she deserves her revenge. Elle was like, no, fuck her.

Libby: I think that Elle and Bea were bitter rivals, and Bea was always just ahead

Libby: of her, and Elle was always very jealous of that.

Evan: Yeah, that makes sense, especially in the fight scene in the second movie in

Evan: Bud's trailer, which also is just a ridiculous fight scene, too.

Evan: I love when they pull out the swords and they can't- When.

Libby: She gets the spit in.

Evan: Her.

Libby: She throws it in her face. That makes me actually, it's shocking every time I watch that movie.

Libby: And then when Bea squishes her eyeball under her feet, that's so unnecessary.

Libby: Yeah, yeah. like if that like they have to make all the blood from the ridiculous

Libby: like sword fight being black and white but they can show that eyeball squish.

Evan: Yeah i actually that's like the one um like i can watch any kind of horror movie

Evan: but actually like things with related to eyes i sometimes have to like look

Evan: away because it just creeps me out and then the same thing in this i knew it

Evan: was coming i'm like i can't look can't watch her squish it it's just it's one

Evan: of those weird uh things but But yeah,

Evan: the funniest part in that whole scene is when they pull out their samurai swords

Evan: and the broom is so small they can't actually pull them out.

Libby: Like, yeah, get them out.

Evan: Yeah, there's so many little, there's so many gags and things throughout all

Evan: of the different things.

Evan: But yeah, I think you're right there. I think Bud is very immortal.

Evan: He's like, I deserve to die for this.

Libby: Yeah, even though he like fights it and like buries her or whatever.

Libby: But she doesn't actually kill Bud.

Libby: The black mamba snake kills Bud.

Evan: That's right. Because of her own brother or her own sister.

Libby: Because of Elle. Yeah, that like she puts it in there. but is it does it count

Libby: though because it's a black.

Evan: Mamba that kills.

Libby: Him and b is a black mamba

Libby: but another thing you know how l talks

Libby: about like how uh like bite to

Libby: the face is like the fastest way to die

Libby: remember back in the hospital scene when she

Libby: bites his face and he dies really quickly and then she like hits the guy on

Libby: the head and he dies like having a seizure having paralysis the same way that

Libby: they talk about in like that um l talks about in that um like essay she wrote

Libby: about the black mamba snake.

Evan: That's true that it's one of the funniest things when you're talking about the

Evan: black mamba when l is in the trailer and she pulls out her little notebook and

Evan: she's like reading it like because they didn't have wikipedia i guess they have

Evan: wikipedia when the wikipedia come out i don't know but it's really funny i mean

Evan: she's reading all the things she.

Libby: Had to have used an encyclopedia for that one like way back then.

Evan: Wonder when she.

Libby: Had to go to the a library to write that i bet.

Evan: Yeah that's probably true well it says wikipedia became a thing in 2001,

Evan: but it doesn't seem like you could use like it wasn't the kind of thing you

Evan: could just find all that's a baby right she probably did go to a library and

Evan: like checked out a book or stole it or whatever that's that's almost comical

Evan: to think of people using the dewey decibel system to find their books,

Evan: which I go to the library still. You still got to use it.

Libby: Yeah. I love her line when he's like, what do you feel?

Libby: And she's like, regret that a bushwhacking scrub-

Libby: elky redneck like you that she met her match by an elky scrub like you like

Libby: i love that like i mean like he's half dead but like she's still talking to

Libby: him like just dunking on him already like while he's got like a face full of

Libby: venom it's awesome this whole movie it is it is crazy it is.

Evan: Crazy that he was the one that was able to catch her only because she was underneath

Evan: the you know she was kind of stupid in the way she was coming in she didn't

Evan: think he would be sitting there with With a gun.

Evan: Like, why not sneak in the back?

Libby: And shoots rock salt at her. And she's, like, not, like, she doesn't,

Libby: like, scream in pain. I mean, she's writhing in pain.

Libby: And I like, one of my favorite lines from him, there was, like,

Libby: he's, like, you know, that woman deserves her revenge.

Libby: And, you know, he says all of that. But then he's, like, you're going under the ground tonight.

Libby: And unless you want me to unload this whole goddamn can into your eyeball.

Libby: I'm like, you make the smart choice here or whatever he says from there.

Libby: But I, the whole goddamn can right in her eyeball. I love it.

Evan: That is also one of, there's like so many crazy ways that people die in this movie.

Evan: And I think she doesn't actually die by being buried alive, but that's actually

Evan: like one of my like, you know, biggest fears would be to be buried alive.

Evan: And when the, like the dirt's getting dropped on her and you,

Evan: camera goes dark for i don't know five seconds before you know she you see her

Evan: does she have a like she has a lighter or something it's or a flashlight yeah

Evan: the flashlight it's so she's a flashlight.

Libby: And you know that quentin tarantino made her put that flashlight in her mouth

Libby: like a huge dick like she had it like holding it in her mouth for like a minute

Libby: and then she like moves it onto her shoulder but like they made it very phallic

Libby: like very much on absolutely had to would have been on purpose.

Evan: Yeah and i don't think most of his stage direction from what i understand is

Evan: all very intentional he doesn't you're like you're not really meant to improvise

Evan: very much everything is very yeah he definitely put the flashlight in her mouth

Evan: and that whole thing too i mean i i just love the you know the like the what's

Evan: the word um the not centered not uh,

Evan: so they show her in the in the they show her earlier doing the training where

Evan: she's punching Punching the, you know, the board from only six inches away.

Libby: Yeah, like it flashes to her hymen.

Evan: Continuity. The continuity. That's the word I was looking for.

Evan: Like the continuity of those two things that seem like completely irrelevant.

Evan: I remember the first time I watched it in the theater, I'm like,

Evan: why is she punching the thing like that? Like, what's the point of this punch?

Evan: Like, when are you ever going to be that close to someone?

Evan: I don't know. Yeah. And then she has to, and the part where she breaks free

Evan: from the grave also is pulled from some movie. I forget which one now. Of course.

Libby: I love when she gets to the diner and she sits down. She's like, a glass of water.

Evan: Please.

Libby: She's like covered in dirt.

Evan: Oh, and they don't ask any questions. They're just like, okay.

Evan: She doesn't have any money. She doesn't have, yeah, she can't buy anything else

Evan: to drink. She just gets some, gets some.

Evan: Yeah. I'm trying to think of the other things from, I guess we've talked about

Evan: both movies, really, but, oh, I know what it was.

Evan: So, like, so we, so that's the other thing, too, is that the,

Evan: like, I read, this isn't like an original thought.

Evan: I was looking into other people's articles and someone wrote like a long,

Evan: I guess it's like an essay about, you know, that the movie blurs the lines between

Evan: sort of like what's good and evil.

Evan: And if you think about probably a lot of the people that their gang is killing

Evan: are probably also bad people and killers, presumably a lot of the time.

Evan: So they're kind of saying like, well, is it bad to kill another bad guy?

Evan: And like, is, you know, be actually bad? Is she evil? Is she good? You know, is Bill evil?

Libby: Yeah, I mean, everybody's just taking the money for killing people. They don't give a fuck.

Evan: Yeah, for them, it's just a job, honestly.

Evan: And I guess that's also the other part of this that brought up is,

Evan: if Bill is considered or should be considered an anti-hero, do you hate him

Evan: for all the horrible things he does?

Evan: He literally shot his girlfriend or whatever, partner, poly partner, whatever you-

Libby: His primary poly partner. His primary poly partner.

Evan: Like in the head, assuming to kill her, then steals her- Very pregnant.

Evan: Steals her unborn child, raises it, basically says like, mommy,

Evan: we'll wake up sometime, which is also really weird.

Evan: Like the kids, Bebe's sort of, when she sees him is also very-

Evan: i don't know.

Libby: Yeah no i hate bill the whole movie i.

Evan: Don't know how you could.

Libby: See him as i never see him in any other like aspect other than creepy old guy

Libby: with a lot of money exploiting these like beautiful women i don't know yeah.

Evan: For me it's kind of hard to see him as an anti-hero like i think of you know

Evan: some people talk about like you know and walt and breaking bad and these other

Evan: people where they're at some point there was some reason they did what they

Evan: did and then they crossed the line and then they're kind of gone like i don't think you.

Libby: Could ever say.

Evan: At any point does he you don't know what his upbringing was but he they all go to this.

Libby: Master to learn they tell you about esteban esteban who's like his father figure

Libby: right and that would make sense for like him being like part of like a poly

Libby: community is like not having like one partner like not being part of like a

Libby: nuclear family and having that as like

Libby: the example set for him so

Libby: like esteban being like a pimp

Libby: in and then having like the oh i forget

Libby: the name of the boys it's something that like all his like illegitimate children

Libby: from all of these prostitutes that he pimps um they end up having a gang and

Libby: like upholding so like that's where bill grew up was with this esteban guy you

Libby: know like that's his father figure yeah you.

Evan: Know actually i learned today too is that scene was filmed in an actual brothel

Evan: and those all the extras in it were actually people who worked in it.

Libby: Oh wow which.

Evan: Is sort of weird i don't know why they had to do it i mean it's very.

Libby: What about the one like was she an actor just the people in the background the

Libby: background people were yeah.

Evan: The background i don't think the first.

Libby: Person she talks the one with like how she got cut in the face no i think.

Evan: That that's an actor and then all the other ones are people.

Libby: Who work.

Evan: There but yeah Yeah, that's right. He does have a, also growing up in that kind

Evan: of situation, he already would be, like you said, he would already be used to

Evan: some weird, you know, polycule type of lifestyle there. And,

Evan: you know, he's teaching.

Libby: Yeah, like that's how he grew up. That's what he knows.

Evan: Man, this, like, you could probably write like a, you could probably write a book, you know.

Libby: Yeah, no, like it's, there's so many through lines that like that makes sense.

Libby: And I don't understand why no one else on the internet is talking about that.

Evan: Yeah, I just Googled it, like you had said before. You think even someone on

Evan: Reddit would have thought of this by now, right?

Libby: Yeah, no, yeah. I didn't see it anywhere, but it makes so much sense.

Libby: And the couples that you can extract what's actually going on,

Libby: I mean, that's all just guessing.

Evan: Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Evan: That's true. I mean, I'm not saying I don't buy this theory.

Evan: I think it's very, very plausible.

Evan: And given how you don't really know any information about how the other people

Evan: grew up other than Lucy Liu's character, or Ren, you don't know.

Evan: You know Bill, you know Lucy Liu, and everyone else, you don't know how Elle

Evan: and Bud grew up. They seemed like...

Libby: Well, Bud is Bill's brother. So I imagine that they had similar upbringing between Bud and Bill.

Evan: I think I mistakenly said before that Elle and Bud... Wait, no.

Libby: I think that Elle and Bud had a time together. I think that they've interacted in a romantic context.

Evan: Yeah, and it probably ended poorly, given the fact that she's willing to kill him.

Libby: Yeah, I think Elle... I love her character.

Libby: She's like a bad guy, but you still root for her.

Libby: and she doesn't actually they don't

Libby: show her actually die she's just like left blind

Libby: in like a trailer with a black mamba loose

Libby: in it in the middle of the desert like what if

Libby: she found a way because um she had called bill to say like oh bud is dead in

Libby: his trailer what if bill sent somebody to go and like clean up the mess that

Libby: like l left or um yeah that that supposedly bill had had killed him in his trailer

Libby: and maybe she could have survived.

Libby: Maybe she survived that thing. She's just blind now.

Evan: Yeah. I would presume that she probably did survive. Well, I guess the idea

Evan: is you figured that the snakes in the trailer would eventually get to her and

Evan: bite her because she can't see shit.

Evan: And the thing that's crazy too, apparently the, so Daryl Hannah,

Evan: one of her first movies was Blade Runner from like the early eighties.

Evan: And her, she plays like one of these replicants in it. And she has this scene

Evan: where she's, you know, know, in pain and getting, I think, hurt.

Evan: And so she apparently like used some of the same kind of, uh,

Evan: I don't know what you would call them, uh.

Evan: the screams of agony like from that movie from i guess it would have been 20 years like when.

Libby: She's like screaming in.

Evan: Pain at.

Libby: The end oh.

Evan: Yeah she uh that scene like every one of the i mean you it's easy to say that

Evan: the fight scene in the first movie in the you know in the the create against

Evan: crazy 88 is like the most epic fight scene but some of the other ones i think

Evan: are almost more fun because that one just kind

Evan: of over the top you know just beating everyone going down stairwells between.

Libby: Volume one and volume two i like volume two better i.

Evan: Like i.

Libby: Like how it's more like it is giving you context she's like the under like getting

Libby: out from underground in a grave like.

Evan: Yeah they have they spend at least like with sorry bud having.

Libby: To clean shitty water out of a stall and like getting yelled at by the cocaine

Libby: guy like i i love it it's it's better it's not like i love one and two but between the two two is better.

Evan: Yeah i agree well before i before i mentioned that so

Evan: i also learned this today is that the scene where the like the owner of the

Evan: strip club is like reprimanding him and he says like i you know in that fucking

Evan: hat you like take off that fucking hat apparently that line was added later

Evan: because he uh because um michael madsen wanted to wear that hat as part of his character.

Evan: And Quentin Tarantino hated the hat, wanted him to not use it.

Evan: And so he threw that line in to be like, I fucking hate your stupid hat.

Evan: That's cool. Well, but I, but to the point of like the second one better, I think,

Evan: I think the second movie is better. The first movie has that epic fight scene.

Evan: But again, like you said, the second one has all the character development.

Evan: You have scenes where Bill and Bea are just kind of sitting by the campfire.

Evan: He's playing that weird flute thing.

Evan: I don't know what it's called. Yeah. It's just all these little scenes where

Evan: they explain their character, and they're just kind of more talking and less

Evan: fighting. So I find it more interesting.

Evan: If you're going to pick one to watch, I would watch the second one.

Libby: I watch any, like I said, every time a man disappoints me, I watch that movie.

Libby: I watch them both. I'll sit and watch it right through.

Evan: Well, so you would. So maybe you would have sat through four hours and-

Libby: Not in a movie theater.

Evan: Yeah, that's true.

Libby: I'll watch it in my bed for four hours while I run.

Evan: That's true. That's a little better.

Libby: Bad about a breakup.

Evan: Yeah, that's true. That's a little bit more comfy than sitting in a sticky movie

Evan: theater with eating $19 popcorn or something.

Libby: Yeah, you can't go pee. You're in a mess part of the movie.

Evan: That's one thing I hate in the movie is you have to go to the bathroom.

Evan: I think there's some website where they, maybe it was just for certain movies,

Evan: where they tell you the moment to go pee in a movie.

Libby: Oh, damn.

Evan: That's a good idea. I don't know if it's for every movie. I remember it was

Evan: for a bunch of the Marvel movies that were super long. They're like at minute 64.

Evan: Oh, you can go anytime during a Marvel movie. Yeah, those Avenger movies bore me to tears, but,

Evan: Not to say I didn't see all of them.

Libby: You can just go ahead and watch none of it.

Evan: I want to see if that's actually true, if there's a website.

Evan: Yep, it's called runp.com, the world's most indispensable movie app to tell

Evan: you when to pee during a movie. So it's an app for your phone.

Libby: Hell yeah.

Evan: I wonder if you could press it to start when the movie starts,

Evan: and then it would have an alarm go off being like, now's the time.

Libby: Like, now's the time.

Evan: Actually, wait. Wait, the picture on the website is a countdown timer to when

Evan: you should go pee. Whoever created this app, I mean, deserves it.

Libby: Genius.

Evan: How do you even pick? Let's see. I'm going to type in Kill Bill. Kill Bill.

Libby: It says don't go pee. Watch the whole thing.

Evan: Can you, I don't know if you can actually do it from the website.

Libby: Maybe, maybe it's a good idea to go pee during like when she's having the battle

Libby: with the crazy 88 because that's kind of a long scene and it's like all the same.

Evan: Yeah i mean there's some cool parts where she you know is dodging the like.

Libby: They run on the banister and like.

Evan: That part is pretty cool actually the scene where i think where they near the

Evan: end of it when she gets to the top of the of the

Evan: landing in one of the rooms and they have a really cool shot where it's blue

Evan: and you can just see the shadows of them fighting also pulled from another movie

Evan: but also really cool looking i mean yeah there's so much um yeah so many good

Evan: um shots what was the other they had some other questions i was like yeah so So not an anti-hero.

Evan: I guess this is kind of like, I feel like this is all like the same question

Evan: asking, you know, too, is, well, here's the, actually, this is a separate question.

Evan: This is a, why would Pai Mei train them knowing that they're using their,

Evan: you know, the knowledge from him to just essentially be assassins?

Evan: Don't you think he would have not done it unless they lied to him? How would he know?

Libby: I mean, they say he's like 4,000 years old, right?

Libby: And Bill says, like, you know, he gets lonely.

Libby: What the fuck else is he doing?

Evan: I know.

Libby: It's not. And he's probably getting paid.

Libby: I can't imagine that Bill doesn't, like, he doesn't say, like,

Libby: you got to give me money. I mean, what's he going to spend his money on? He's got.

Evan: That nice house and that's it, right?

Libby: Lives like he lives like off grid well.

Evan: He has that at the end of the second movie he does have that where does he live

Evan: arizona i don't remember where he lives i forget but whatever it is he lives

Evan: in that really oh mexico right he lives yeah you're right he does live off the

Evan: grid in this beautiful place it probably cost you know a hundred thousand dollars

Evan: because it's not you know who knows how the who built that and.

Libby: He paid that off two thousand years ago like he's four thousand years old but

Libby: like like they he says like there's like a legend about paimei.

Evan: And that.

Libby: Like with like the monk gave him like gave him a or didn't smile back at him

Libby: or something and then he killed everybody at the monk place.

Evan: So another funny actually so this actually reminds me of so in

Evan: the movie the han hattori hanzo

Evan: the guy played by sony chiba apparently at some point in it they mentioned he's

Evan: like uh hattori hanzo 100 and the reason why they made that joke or that line

Evan: was apparently Sonichiba was on some TV show where he would die or be gone and

Evan: the next episode would return as like a different version of himself. Like,

Evan: number 52 or whatever number the third the fifth and so there was just like

Evan: the joke to call them like the hundredth because i have no idea how many episodes

Evan: the show had but presumably like,

Evan: that's the joke and so yeah there's lots of uh that's kind of a pointless fact

Evan: but i do think it's funny that they all i know i love the scene where where

Evan: uma thurman is training and he you know he throws the sword and it lands perfectly

Evan: inside of its holster and the little uh thing on

Evan: the side jumps on the jumps on the sword yeah it's just yeah the.

Libby: One thing that one thing that bothers me and this is a

Libby: continuity thing but um when they show uma

Libby: therming uma thurman coming up the stairs holding the

Libby: bucket of water her stick arms are so like not muscular the way that she would

Libby: be training like for like they said it was like a year or two years or something

Libby: if she's training that hard with paime that whole time there's no way that she

Libby: wasn't getting jacked like i it's just not possible.

Evan: Yeah that's that it is interesting that she doesn't have you know it's not like

Evan: she doesn't have um like uh the arms from terminator 2 with um the fuck's her

Evan: name oh sarah connor's arms.

Libby: Oh her oh man i work out so hard i'll never get there.

Evan: But like because you we did that we did that we discussed that movie like she

Evan: has she's jacked in that movie It must have been a thing where she was learning

Evan: martial arts and not lifting weights. I don't know.

Libby: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know because I train MMA and my arms start getting jacked from that.

Evan: Yeah.

Libby: So it says, I don't know. And, and the move when she like, um,

Libby: goes after O-Ren and she like hops

Libby: up and she's holding herself up on the ceiling. That is so fucking hard.

Libby: There's no way like I, I train hard and I could never hold myself up like that.

Evan: I would imagine she, that was probably if, if it was someone actually doing

Evan: that, it'd be like the stunt double.

Evan: But so here's is what it says. So apparently she trained for...

Evan: So she had just had her baby in real life.

Evan: So they paused the movie for a year because Uma Thurman had a baby.

Evan: And also Harvey Weinstein wanted to find a new person.

Evan: Tarantino says, if you do that, I'm not going to make the movie.

Evan: And so he's like, fine, we'll wait.

Evan: And so after she had her baby for three to five months, for eight hours a day,

Evan: Uma Thurman, Lucy Liu, Daryl Hannah, David Carradine spent eight hours per day

Evan: just studying martial arts it doesn't say they were doing weights and things

Evan: like that it was just simply like martial arts moves huh for eight hours a day

Evan: for three months that's just i mean i assume you get paid for that shit but god damn for.

Libby: Like for three months.

Evan: Yeah i mean well that's that's the thing too you were i mean.

Libby: You put in the hours you gotta know something.

Evan: Well you were saying why did derrick david caradine have to spend three months

Evan: doing that if he had like no fighting scenes in the movie yeah.

Libby: Doesn't yeah maybe that maybe he had other their ideas and they just didn't come to fruition.

Evan: That's true maybe he like he faked also he probably it probably would be cool

Evan: i don't know if you're making millions of dollars on movies,

Evan: i don't know what else you got to do yeah i don't know that'd be especially

Evan: since they pay for all your training like this it reminds me of um maybe.

Libby: It's a team building exercise.

Evan: Yeah well it reminds to get like yeah oh to just do it all together what reminds

Evan: me of like chris pratt how he went Went from not a lean, strong guy to doing

Evan: – I remember once I saw his training regimen.

Evan: It was something like six months of nine hours of training a day or something insane.

Evan: He went from just a random dude to just being absolutely jacked.

Libby: Like the singer from Mouse Rat to like – Yeah.

Evan: It's like to Brad Pitt in Fight Club.

Libby: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Evan: Yeah. Yeah, so that was the other thing I was writing down.

Evan: What was some other thing I was going to mention about it?

Evan: Yeah, I mean, I think it's, so apparently, so Uma, this is more like just a fact about the movie.

Evan: Apparently, Uma Thurman, when they were making Pulp Fiction,

Evan: was just sitting down with Quentin Tarantino.

Evan: And they were just kind of like shooting the shit, you know,

Evan: having other ideas. And that's when they came up with the movie.

Libby: Yeah, they came up with this character idea.

Evan: Yeah. And they're basically like, wouldn't it be cool if it was just,

Evan: you know, this woman who's out for revenge, and then he apparently wrote some

Evan: of the script, and then after Pulp Fiction, I guess, finished it or whatever, and,

Evan: It's crazy to be like doing one movie and you're making another.

Libby: I don't know that when they open the second movie and she's like in the car

Libby: giving the backstory and she's like, and when I get to my destination, I'm gonna kill Bill.

Libby: That's so fucking cool. Like it's it revs me up every time.

Evan: I mean, he is so in Pulp Fiction, essentially a huge chunk of the movie is about revenge.

Evan: I mean, the yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of other for other Tarantino.

Evan: I mean, the entire movie plot of Inglourious Basterds is essentially revenge,

Evan: you know, against Nazis, you know, for- The Nazis. Yeah, like,

Evan: fuck that. Yeah, you know, you could- Django.

Libby: Unchained with that.

Evan: You know? Yeah, is Grindhouse? I think actually Grindhouse is the only Tarantino

Evan: movie I haven't seen, so I don't know.

Libby: I haven't seen that one either. I gotta sit down. Yeah, I'll do that one.

Evan: I think that's the only one. I was trying to see if that's the only one I haven't- because he has nine.

Evan: Like, technically he has 10 movies, but this one counts as one,

Evan: even though it's two parts. So he has Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction,

Evan: Jackie Brown, The Kill Bill, Death Proof, and Glorious Bastards,

Evan: Django Unchained, Hateful Eight, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

Evan: And actually, I love Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. That's another really good one.

Libby: That's one I haven't seen. I should watch that.

Evan: And that one's sort of like historical fiction-ish. Like there's people in it

Evan: that are, you know, like...

Libby: Does he really have like feet in every movie? because in kill bill like they

Libby: have the scene where she's like wiggle your big toe.

Evan: Yeah and.

Libby: Like they show her like bunions.

Evan: Every time every time i see one of those scenes like that it's i just kind of

Evan: cringe a little bit being like oh really i'm in reservoir dogs there's no feet we.

Libby: Don't need that quentin tarantino.

Evan: Well pulp fiction's like the famous one where apparently the character uh when

Evan: uh marcellus wallace kills um kills uh someone for giving his wife a foot massage

Evan: like that's the plot in the movie right.

Libby: That's right yeah.

Evan: So and.

Libby: Like they're talking about the like nuances of like how how intimate is a foot.

Evan: Massage yeah yeah and like.

Libby: Comparing it to like eating pussy well.

Evan: Yeah that actually reminded me there's another what was that you You just said

Evan: something. Oh, nevermind. It was a, it was a different, it's true.

Evan: Romance is a different movie. Also written by current Quentin Tarantino.

Evan: And there's some foot shit in that movie too. He just loves feet.

Libby: Oh, I haven't.

Evan: Oh, that's a, that's a really good, uh, it's not directed by Quentin Tarantino,

Evan: but he wrote it to make money to sell to, he sold the script so he can make his first movie. Uh,

Evan: reservoir dogs which is you know.

Libby: Gosh i have i i my life

Libby: if you think of a movie and like has libby

Libby: seen this movie the answer is likely no and

Libby: i have made it a point to watch movies that i definitely should have seen by

Libby: this time in my life that i get on the treadmill i watch the movie and and following

Libby: along to this podcast it makes it so i watch the fucking movies like i have never

Libby: seen them i have heard of them but like didn't put it together well.

Evan: I mean i mean there's it's funny like i obviously watch

Evan: movies for this show usually it's movies i've seen not every time but then there's

Evan: tons of movies that i watch them like you know i watch it it's a movie that

Evan: came out you know in the 90s or 80s that i haven't seen so there's there's just

Evan: so many fucking movies i mean to you can't can't.

Libby: See yeah i used to be like picky about it now i'm just like oh Oh,

Libby: Fried Green Tomatoes. All right. Well, now I'm crying on the treadmill.

Evan: I haven't seen that movie in a long time.

Libby: Yeah. That one, I did really enjoy that movie.

Libby: It's a couple of gal pals that they had to have coded. It's very sweet.

Evan: Yeah. I don't know if I've seen that movie, but not for ages.

Evan: Yeah. I mean, it's funny. I think I tell you, I'm like, oh, these are the movies

Evan: I have coming up for episodes.

Evan: You're like, oh, well, I got to go watch those movies.

Libby: Yeah. Well, and then I'm like, okay, these are the movies I'm going to watch

Libby: on the treadmill all this week. That's how I do it. Otherwise,

Libby: I'd never pick out the movies for myself.

Evan: Well, I mean, in general, I used to have the hardest time. I mean,

Evan: this is probably speaking to like the streaming era of, you know,

Evan: like you're sitting down, you know, with your wife, your friend,

Evan: you're like, oh, I'm going to watch a movie now.

Evan: And then you spend 45 minutes clicking through like seven different apps.

Evan: You're like, well, we spent too much time doing that.

Evan: We're not going to watch a movie. But now I've like collected a list of movies

Evan: movies that i want to watch and so it's easier at least to pick a movie i used to be very much uh,

Evan: having a hard time picking now i'm just like well i gotta watch a movie for

Evan: the podcast i'm gonna do and then i'll just watch

Evan: a movie for fun separately or you know well i guess oh yeah i won't announce

Evan: it here i guess i could cut i'll send it to you after i was just gonna think

Evan: i was just thinking of the movies that i'm doing in the near future that i'll

Evan: i can share with you offline i want anyone to no one can uh i guess who gives

Evan: a shit if people know what movies are coming out I don't know.

Libby: You got to keep it exclusive.

Evan: Well, I mean, it doesn't, I mean, if people, they see the movie posted,

Evan: that's always a thing I always wonder is, it's impossible to know.

Libby: I like to have seen the movie before I listened to the episode so that there's no spoiler.

Evan: That's the thing I always wonder is, would people listen to a movie they've

Evan: not seen knowing that they're going to obviously know what happens?

Libby: No, I never do. I never do that. Yeah, I only listen if I've seen the movie.

Libby: Sometimes if I haven't seen it in a long time, it's fun to listen to it and

Libby: kind of re-watch the movie without actually watching it and listening to other

Libby: people's commentary on it. It's kind of cool.

Evan: I find I've listened to some other movie podcasts and some of the ones I do,

Evan: if it's a movie that I just don't think I'm ever going to see,

Evan: like, oh, yeah, I've heard of that movie.

Evan: I probably don't really want to see it. Then I don't care if it gets spoiled

Evan: for me, you know, or if it's a movie that I want to watch. And I'm like,

Evan: oh, there's another podcast that I like. They've been on this show, The Concessions.

Evan: And they do, you know, movies that I haven't seen or whatever.

Evan: It's like, oh, you did this movie. Now I got to watch it and then listen to

Evan: it. So I understand the, understand it.

Evan: But I'm trying to think if there's anything from the movies.

Evan: I don't like have any other.

Evan: So here's, so this, this happened recently with another podcast episode.

Evan: Like when you think about this movie from a leftist, like perspective,

Evan: I don't really, I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't see much.

Evan: I mean, we haven't even really, like we've gone to minute.

Libby: Yeah, there's not, there's not like, I mean, I guess they're getting paid vast

Libby: sums of money and B gives up the money to go live a humble little life,

Libby: like, and being a working class

Libby: mom with this like dumb guy from a record store. well then at the very.

Evan: End of the whole thing when she runs away with her daughter i mean she has no

Evan: money right like she's broke she's they're staying in like a little motel.

Libby: Yeah i don't know i imagine that she

Libby: knew where a suitcase full of money at bill's house would be she'd saved like

Libby: she's got the sword she could pawn this she could she i'm certain she could

Libby: find somewhere to be do you know what though like this isn't on the leftist

Libby: perspective topic but the scene at the very end where she's,

Libby: like, on the floor crying,

Libby: like, escaping with her daughter.

Libby: She's, like, laugh-crying and, like...

Libby: that hard relate to that

Libby: bathroom floor cry laugh of

Libby: like my whole like this overwhelm everything

Libby: has come to fruition i am like i got my daughter back everybody's dead that

Libby: i wanted to be dead and then maybe that's her processing like she's finally

Libby: able to like address her getting raped for years while she was in a coma like

Libby: um like emotionally at that point where it just like Like,

Libby: she's, like, crying on the bathroom floor.

Libby: If there's anything to relate to in life is that bathroom floor,

Libby: fetal position, laugh, cry. It's absolutely, yeah.

Evan: I was going to say, like, not much of the movie is sort of relatable except

Evan: for, you know, like, her trauma and then specifically, you know,

Evan: the relief of, like, it being over.

Evan: But then now she has to actually come to terms with the fact that she may not

Evan: realize how many times she had been raped while she was in a coma,

Evan: but she had some fucked up stuff. She was buried alive.

Evan: I mean, her therapist is going to have a lot to talk about.

Evan: But yeah.

Libby: And then she's going to parent through it to this child who's a stranger to her.

Evan: Yeah, but it's weird, though. Even though she was a stranger to her,

Evan: it seemed like at least the only thing that Bill did that was probably kind,

Evan: it seemed like he talked good about her while the whole time to essentially

Evan: be like, we know when she comes.

Libby: It was kind of cool too, the conversation that Bill and Bea had,

Libby: that it was like they both...

Libby: Had the same amount of anger for each other, the same amount of forgiveness,

Libby: and the same amount of acceptance that one of them needed to die that night.

Libby: Like, they came together as emotional equals at that point.

Evan: Yeah, that's true. That whole conversation, whether, you know,

Evan: in his apartment or, what is it, house, whatever it is, is pretty...

Libby: When he shoots her with the truth serum shit that he made?

Evan: Yeah, that's, yeah, right. I forgot about that. Doesn't he also tell a story about Superman, right?

Libby: Yeah, so like how Spider-Man has to put the costume on to become Spider-Man,

Libby: but Superman has to take the costume off to be Superman.

Evan: Yes, that's right. I had the script open before and I was going to mention that

Evan: part, but for some reason the one that I chose was not searchable, so I couldn't pull it up.

Evan: Oh yeah, I think he also says Batman is... Yeah, right. Right.

Evan: So he says, yeah, it's kind of a stupid scene where he's like,

Evan: oh, I'm really keen on comic books, especially superheroes.

Evan: And then he's talking about them. It's very kind of-

Libby: Until the truth serum.

Evan: Kicks in. Right. That's what he's doing. I think he also was joking about how

Evan: Clark Kent wears glasses and the business suit, and that's his costume.

Evan: He does it to blend in.

Libby: That is.

Evan: Actually an interesting little- you know take.

Libby: On that calling.

Evan: You a killer like she you know is you know she is a natural born killer like

Evan: he's she she recognized that she's actually as you said before she is a terrible

Evan: person she's made horrible decisions in her life and now she can decide to you know not do that.

Libby: Imagine having all of that shit become your biggest turning point in life all

Libby: of the shit leading up to that to make her be like all right i gotta settle

Libby: down and get my act together here after being like a bathroom floor cry and

Libby: live a good life after this yeah.

Evan: Actually now that i think about it remember she she goes to japan she flies

Evan: to japan and like stays there so she had money my guess is she must have like

Evan: an offshore account or something where she has money.

Libby: Yeah oh one thing the

Libby: yellow suit in japan i i

Libby: wish that i could i have tried to

Libby: put together that costume in the past like I love that

Libby: get up and I got like yellow leggings

Libby: I got a blonde wig I got like a yellow vest thing and I put it all on and I

Libby: looked in the mirror and I just looked like Britney Spears with camel toe like

Libby: I did not look like Uma Thurman in the yellow suit and I I really I have I'll

Libby: have to like sit and like actually sew it with like a pattern,

Libby: and make it but that that is it's the coolest get up and like with the sword

Libby: she's got the shoes and the matching like crotch rocket motorcycle with the helmet it's awesome.

Evan: Yeah well i think the the yellow suit is what um bruce lee wore in um i think

Evan: it's in the last dragon or one of those movies so it's like another homage to

Evan: that but i also love when she when she walks Walks into the restaurant or the bar or whatever,

Evan: and the dance floor is clear,

Evan: so you can see from underneath her walking across,

Evan: and that's just a fucking cool shot. I love that. I love that.

Libby: Yeah. There's so much cool shit in this movie that, like, you know,

Libby: Quentin Tarantino, he's a weirdo, but it's made up for with cool shit in the movie.

Evan: Yeah, that is one thing. I mean, it's one of those, like, you know,

Evan: you can separate his probably shitty politics, he's a Zionist and,

Evan: you know, piece of shit kind of person in real life, but he makes good art, you know?

Libby: I know um gogo the girl assassin

Libby: like um oren's like uh

Libby: bodyguard like the little child who's like 19 or

Libby: something like that it it's kind of cool where she's like at a bar and there's

Libby: like this creepy old guy trying to talk to her and she's like do you want to

Libby: fuck me and he's like yeah and she's like all right and then like fucking stabs

Libby: him in the dick like that's it's awesome i forgot.

Evan: About that scene that is pretty uh.

Libby: She's like i'm penetrating you.

Evan: Yeah that like yeah that's there that's a goes back to like the very single

Evan: the like the main theme is that they they don't take shit from anyone like none

Evan: of them do you know none of the daryl.

Libby: Ham you know.

Evan: Uh every single one of them is not taking.

Libby: Sofi sofi's a little soft but But, you know, I.

Evan: Think I think I saw sometime recently, apparently they're going to re-release

Evan: the the the shoes from that. I think at some point they did release them.

Evan: And now, like, if you go on eBay, they're like 400 bucks because they don't make them anymore.

Evan: But I think they're going to make them again because there's the yellow shoes.

Libby: Yeah. Oh, hell yeah.

Evan: I once had those.

Libby: I don't buy I don't buy new anything. I only buy like thrifted clothes.

Libby: and if I do buy new shoes, it's like I agonize over the fucking company, their ethics.

Libby: I know not everybody can do that. I will maybe set that standard aside for those

Libby: yellow shoes. That's one exception.

Evan: I have no idea how... Yeah. Looking online now, you can buy them for,

Evan: from when they were released, whenever that was, for like $200, $300.

Evan: But I guess if they were to just be released as themselves, they'd probably

Evan: be like $100, maybe. I don't know.

Libby: Yeah. I don't know. I'd be into having a pair of those shoes real hard.

Evan: They're pretty cool. I mean, I'm not a fan of yellow clothing just generally, just not my color.

Evan: But I don't think I would wear these shoes, but in a different color,

Evan: they'd be pretty cool. like a i would.

Libby: Wear it with the whole get up oh i love it.

Evan: I'm shut i.

Libby: Don't even need to get on a motorcycle just wear the get up to like the grocery

Libby: store with the yellow shoes.

Evan: Oh it's funny you mentioned that hell the not the helicopter the motorcycle

Evan: it's also when she kidnaps the sophie right like puts her in the trunk and doesn't

Evan: kill her wait doesn't she like not kill her because she She wants her to tell the story, right?

Libby: Yeah, she's like, I want them to know I know. I want them to know I know that they know I know.

Libby: And goes through that circle like eight times.

Libby: Yeah, and she's like, I'm going to cut something off, and it will be something you'll miss.

Libby: And then they see it. She dumps her on a hill, and she rolls down a log with no arms.

Libby: it's so cool like no one would survive that like you have arteries that you're

Libby: gonna bleed out that like from losing your arms but man it's awesome anyway

Libby: you know like you gotta set that aside yeah.

Evan: It's what's one of those you just have to suspend most of your uh.

Libby: Yeah when um when she cuts off

Libby: the top of oren's head like i don't like how like it looks like they could have

Libby: done a better job with the special effects but it really brought me back to

Libby: like in hannibal lector where like he's like messing with his brain at dinner

Libby: like i just it just reminds me of that scene so much with like her brain showing on top well.

Evan: I think um because there aren't because all that was like practical effects

Evan: so i mean i guess that's if they had done it with because Cause there was no

Evan: computer generated anything.

Evan: I don't think in any of the two, like the scenes in the, in the,

Evan: like the huge fights in a lot of it's like they're on wires and,

Evan: you know, flying around.

Evan: And I gotta say like that scene is crazy.

Libby: Well, but like the, if you're going to cut off the top of the head,

Libby: you can't just have like a regular head with a brain showing like it has, I don't know.

Libby: It was a little, they could have done a better job with it, but you went, you go with it.

Evan: Yeah. I mean, of all the things I'd say, you know, it's fine.

Libby: Um

Evan: I don't think i have anything else on the movies anything you had on your little on your scorecard.

Libby: The only other line i like i

Libby: really love too is when the um strip club guy with the cocaine he says to like

Libby: the stripper he like gives her cocaine and he's like be somebody and like she

Libby: like does a line they're just sitting in his office it's like four o'clock in the afternoon.

Evan: I don't remember that exact line, but that's pretty funny. Like the...

Evan: Be somebody. A lot of the script is... It definitely is a funny...

Evan: Like, you know, all of his movies have humor in them, obviously,

Evan: but I think this one has a lot of,

Evan: funny bits that kind of uh separates the tension from all the just murdering.

Libby: Yeah there's a lot of great lines

Libby: like yeah i think my favorite favorite if

Libby: i had to choose from all of them is oren

Libby: on top of the table just cut

Libby: the guy's head off if any of you sons of bitches that lot it's the best like

Libby: now's the fucking time and i wish i could pull that one out like in my real

Libby: life and if you if you put buds like i'm gonna empty this whole goddamn can

Libby: right in your eyeball well that's yeah that's actually.

Evan: Yeah sometimes whatever what ends up happening i'm like oh i'm gonna add all

Evan: these clips and then i get lazy and i just add one or none because it.

Libby: Just doesn't take that much time there's just so many that's great and the i

Libby: love it and like the pie may laugh that's great oh yeah.

Evan: Well yeah it's one thing we forgot to mention is that the that l fucking kills

Evan: him by poisoning his fish because she's like a she's just cruel.

Libby: Yeah yeah she just him so she's like fuck you and he's like thousands of years

Libby: old in this you know legend and she like,

Libby: i guess that is like consistent too because she was she like wanted to kill

Libby: b just like in her sleep with like you know that poison shit whatever that like

Libby: she's fine with like these not honorable ways of killing people that's.

Evan: True none of her ways like she kills bud by not really doing anything by putting

Evan: the snakes and yeah she doesn't have she's she's more like the kind of killer

Evan: that would dress up as something and then trick you into doing something as opposed to.

Libby: Yeah like she does it like more of a prank than anything yeah.

Evan: The nurse's outfit's also pretty ridiculous.

Libby: Yeah it's real cool the eye patch with the fucking cross on it it's so cool forgot.

Evan: About But yeah, Kill Bill, volume one and two for people that hasn't seen in

Evan: a long time. I think they're fun movies.

Evan: Say what you will about Quentin Tarantino, you might think he's a piece of shit.

Libby: I know. It's unfortunate, but I can't let that movie go. I love it so much.

Evan: There's a bunch of movies I like that are produced by Harvey Weinstein.

Evan: This one was produced by Harvey Weinstein.

Libby: That's why I don't go do the research. on that because it's like I gotta not know.

Evan: Yeah it's one of those things where once you yeah you go down the you go down all the yeah,

Evan: That's all I got, but...

Libby: It turns to ashes in your mouth.

Evan: I know. It does sometimes. There's certain ones where, you know,

Evan: maybe it's beyond the pale where you're just like, well, fuck this thing, but...

Libby: Yeah, well, like, you know, like now when you look back at old movies with like

Libby: a modern view, you go, oh, fuck, that was really racist. I can't like this movie anymore.

Evan: Like every comedy from the early 2000s.

Libby: Yeah, like, okay, and Idiocracy. That's a really good example.

Libby: we all loved that movie when it came out and then to look at it as an adult

Libby: we're like oh fuck that was about eugenics and oh my god i.

Evan: Argue with people about that all the time that no one no one will.

Libby: Fucking yeah like they don't see it and but if you go and watch it and it's

Libby: like they use the arse for a bunch dude like you can't like we were fine with

Libby: it then but now as adults you go and look at it with a mature lens and it's

Libby: you know you gotta let those favorites go i don't want to let kill bill yeah well.

Evan: I think like every every um uh judd movie from like the early 2000 with you

Evan: know all those movies have just i don't know comedy is a hard genre for like

Evan: it to hold up because so much of it is based on the time period but anyway that's all i got but uh libby,

Evan: as a as always thank you for uh for coming on.

Libby: Yeah thank you for doing this movie i love this fucking movie.

Libby: Thank you for having me on.

Libby: And I hope everybody, ladies,

Libby: anybody who is involved with male partners, I suggest when they are disappointing,

Libby: watch this movie while you eat ice cream and instead of crying,

Libby: watch this movie and you'll feel better.

Evan: Instead of watching When Harry Met Sally, watch Kill Bill.

Libby: Watch Kill Bill.

Evan: I think for me, if I was choosing between those two, it would be no contest. that she's Kill Bill.

Evan: I don't like when Harry Met Sally, but that's for...

Libby: And if you have to only watch one, watch Kill Bill 2.

Evan: That's true. And you don't really need to know the stuff. Just go on Wikipedia.

Evan: Just listen to this. You already know what happens.

Evan: But yeah, anyone listening, you can subscribe, do all those internet things, and catch you next time.