1 00:00:00,028 --> 00:00:03,630 Sometimes I feel like in our education system, we're treating 2 00:00:03,710 --> 00:00:07,032 children as if they're going to be children forever. And if you have 3 00:00:07,112 --> 00:00:10,454 children who are too scared to make a mistake and 4 00:00:10,494 --> 00:00:13,996 too scared to try something harder, we're basically scaling 5 00:00:14,056 --> 00:00:17,958 back the process of innovation for our children. How can I ensure 6 00:00:17,978 --> 00:00:21,440 that what we're doing right now is 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,402 building a skill that will allow them to leave 8 00:00:25,822 --> 00:00:30,198 and be independent and succeed when they're on their own? Welcome 9 00:00:30,238 --> 00:00:33,961 to Neuroeducation, where we're exploring the neuroscience of 10 00:00:34,001 --> 00:00:37,283 how to switch on the brain to supercharge learning. I'll be sharing 11 00:00:37,303 --> 00:00:40,925 with you innovative teaching techniques, effective parenting strategies, 12 00:00:41,065 --> 00:00:44,487 and educational advocacy. I'm your host, Angie Dee. 13 00:00:44,707 --> 00:00:50,519 Together, let's revolutionize children's learning. Today, 14 00:00:50,559 --> 00:00:54,140 we're going to be talking about self-directed learners 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,801 and what is the most important characteristics 16 00:00:59,382 --> 00:01:02,983 that our children need when they get out in the world. Often 17 00:01:03,443 --> 00:01:06,564 in education, we can be looking right here at the 18 00:01:06,604 --> 00:01:10,085 child in grade four, in grade five, or in grade six, 19 00:01:10,465 --> 00:01:13,686 grade 10, grade 12 and beyond. But 20 00:01:13,726 --> 00:01:17,587 we focus on that level of education 21 00:01:18,607 --> 00:01:21,970 and just that grade without thinking about 22 00:01:22,471 --> 00:01:26,595 what's the end goal? What is the end goal here? So 23 00:01:26,655 --> 00:01:30,352 what is the end goal for education? We 24 00:01:30,392 --> 00:01:34,034 will have children that become adults that 25 00:01:34,294 --> 00:01:37,816 walk out of the doors of education, out 26 00:01:37,837 --> 00:01:41,098 of the educational halls. And even as parents, we 27 00:01:41,138 --> 00:01:45,161 will have children that will walk out the doors of our home and 28 00:01:45,201 --> 00:01:48,383 they will go on to lead their lives. And sometimes I 29 00:01:48,423 --> 00:01:52,045 feel like in our education system, we're treating children 30 00:01:52,165 --> 00:01:55,467 as if they're going to be children forever. When we look 31 00:01:55,787 --> 00:01:59,327 at teaching children skills, Sometimes I'm 32 00:01:59,407 --> 00:02:02,769 amazed that the way that we teach a child in 33 00:02:02,809 --> 00:02:06,830 grade 4 and in grade 7 and 34 00:02:06,870 --> 00:02:10,611 grade 10, I still see us teaching children in 35 00:02:10,651 --> 00:02:14,303 the same manner in grade 12. They 36 00:02:14,343 --> 00:02:18,084 don't have a lot of freedom. They're still being told 37 00:02:18,184 --> 00:02:21,685 to do certain things every single lesson, every 38 00:02:21,725 --> 00:02:25,966 single week, and they're not given enough freedom because 39 00:02:26,666 --> 00:02:29,827 what we want to do is slowly prepare them for 40 00:02:29,867 --> 00:02:33,068 the real world. And we want to be able to give them 41 00:02:33,308 --> 00:02:36,728 greater and greater freedom. A lot of adolescents have 42 00:02:36,768 --> 00:02:41,470 said they didn't feel prepared for the real world because we 43 00:02:41,530 --> 00:02:44,919 taught them like children and we didn't give 44 00:02:44,959 --> 00:02:48,662 them that freedom. And then day one, 45 00:02:48,962 --> 00:02:53,907 as soon as they leave school, they have a hundred percent freedom. So 46 00:02:54,247 --> 00:02:58,751 where is the graduation of freedom? Maria 47 00:02:58,771 --> 00:03:02,714 Montessori talks about this concept of freedom 48 00:03:02,734 --> 00:03:05,917 within limits. That as a child shows they are 49 00:03:05,937 --> 00:03:09,260 more and more responsible, we give them greater and greater freedom. And 50 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,156 I think this is incredibly important in parenting and 51 00:03:13,256 --> 00:03:16,637 in teaching. Why? Because when 52 00:03:16,677 --> 00:03:20,539 the children walk out those doors for the final time, then 53 00:03:20,619 --> 00:03:24,181 life is up to them. They have to make their decisions 54 00:03:24,261 --> 00:03:28,043 based on their own inner compass, their intuition, their 55 00:03:28,103 --> 00:03:32,044 guidance, their values and their morals. When 56 00:03:32,104 --> 00:03:35,946 we punish children in schools, I'm amazed that 57 00:03:36,206 --> 00:03:40,858 often the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Maybe 58 00:03:40,878 --> 00:03:44,240 a child is bullying, well you 59 00:03:44,260 --> 00:03:47,461 get a detention. What is that teaching them in 60 00:03:47,521 --> 00:03:51,503 life? Is that teaching them to be more compassionate? Is 61 00:03:51,523 --> 00:03:54,885 that teaching them about how that affected maybe let's say poor 62 00:03:54,945 --> 00:03:58,447 Jane who was bullied? Or does it just give them an arbitrary 63 00:03:58,507 --> 00:04:02,849 punishment that has nothing related to what they've done? In 64 00:04:02,889 --> 00:04:06,803 the same respect we have the 65 00:04:06,843 --> 00:04:10,204 same thing that happens for other punishments. Maybe you're 66 00:04:10,224 --> 00:04:13,504 not wearing the right uniform. I remember when I went to 67 00:04:13,544 --> 00:04:18,505 high school, I was always late. Unfortunately, 68 00:04:19,185 --> 00:04:22,446 after multiple times of being late to high school, I was giving 69 00:04:22,486 --> 00:04:26,507 an afterschool detention. Did it help me with my punctuality? No. 70 00:04:26,987 --> 00:04:30,227 When I got to university, one of my friends, Jodie, who's 71 00:04:30,287 --> 00:04:34,548 always on time, I asked her, I said, how are you on time? all 72 00:04:34,608 --> 00:04:37,890 the time. And so she said, well, this is 73 00:04:37,930 --> 00:04:41,091 how I do it. Wherever I need to be. I make sure I'm going to be 74 00:04:41,131 --> 00:04:44,373 there 10 minutes early. And then I give myself a five 75 00:04:44,413 --> 00:04:47,674 minute buffer before getting into the car. Just in case 76 00:04:47,715 --> 00:04:51,816 I forget my keys or I forget something, I've got to go back in the house. So 77 00:04:51,876 --> 00:04:55,478 sure enough, I implement Jody's very simple 78 00:04:55,558 --> 00:04:58,780 instructions and my punctuality improves at least 79 00:04:58,820 --> 00:05:03,182 by 50% much better than afterschool detention. So 80 00:05:04,156 --> 00:05:08,198 Here we have skills in learning, 81 00:05:08,658 --> 00:05:12,079 academic learning that they're going to use maybe in university or 82 00:05:12,139 --> 00:05:15,481 maybe in their creating their own businesses that we 83 00:05:15,521 --> 00:05:19,343 can give children to have greater and greater freedom and 84 00:05:19,683 --> 00:05:22,844 greater and greater responsibility, teaching them the skills of what 85 00:05:22,884 --> 00:05:27,206 they're going to use for life. So in grade 86 00:05:27,506 --> 00:05:30,817 10, usually in Montessori schools, A 87 00:05:30,917 --> 00:05:34,378 lot of the time children begin to do much more 88 00:05:34,458 --> 00:05:38,059 self-directed projects. They're deciding what 89 00:05:38,099 --> 00:05:41,560 they're going to be learning about and they're setting themselves up for 90 00:05:41,660 --> 00:05:45,762 what they want to be learning after they leave school. In 91 00:05:45,802 --> 00:05:50,403 the same respect we have life skills that we want to teach children. Sadly 92 00:05:50,523 --> 00:05:53,864 in Australia we have an incredibly high rate 93 00:05:53,984 --> 00:05:58,494 of suicide and teenage depression. What 94 00:05:58,514 --> 00:06:01,677 are we not teaching our children in schools to be able to 95 00:06:01,757 --> 00:06:05,179 deal with these kind of stresses that they will face in 96 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:09,323 life? If we give children greater opportunities 97 00:06:09,463 --> 00:06:13,306 to be able to deal with certain pressures and maybe have 98 00:06:13,326 --> 00:06:16,609 to organize their own time and their 99 00:06:16,669 --> 00:06:20,033 projects, when they become adults and when they walk out 100 00:06:20,073 --> 00:06:23,557 those doors in the final days of schools or at 101 00:06:23,817 --> 00:06:27,262 home from parents, we know that they're going to have skills 102 00:06:27,302 --> 00:06:31,046 to be able to manage their time, to organise themselves 103 00:06:31,267 --> 00:06:35,774 and to deal with the problems of the world. If 104 00:06:36,054 --> 00:06:39,337 you have a adolescent, I 105 00:06:39,377 --> 00:06:42,679 would be always thinking of them as 106 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:46,662 what's going to be happening in five years. Okay. I'm going to deal with this situation now, 107 00:06:47,063 --> 00:06:50,245 but maybe I might be able to give them a punishment and not let them do 108 00:06:50,325 --> 00:06:54,548 something. Or I can be thinking, how 109 00:06:54,588 --> 00:06:58,131 can I ensure that what we're doing right 110 00:06:58,331 --> 00:07:02,014 now is building a skill that 111 00:07:02,054 --> 00:07:06,399 will allow them to leave and 112 00:07:06,439 --> 00:07:10,445 be independent and succeed when they're on their own. In 113 00:07:10,505 --> 00:07:13,830 the same right our current teaching method of 114 00:07:14,051 --> 00:07:19,938 education has basically formed 115 00:07:20,318 --> 00:07:24,899 a way of an extrinsically motivated 116 00:07:26,060 --> 00:07:29,221 feedback response. If you do well on a test in 117 00:07:29,261 --> 00:07:32,641 primary school, maybe you get a sticker. If you do 118 00:07:32,741 --> 00:07:36,122 well in a quiz, maybe you 119 00:07:36,162 --> 00:07:39,603 get something on a star chart. All of these things are outside of 120 00:07:39,643 --> 00:07:43,564 the child. Intrinsic motivation is 121 00:07:43,604 --> 00:07:48,185 something where motivation comes from the inside. And 122 00:07:48,886 --> 00:07:52,208 in Montessori education, ironically, there's 123 00:07:52,288 --> 00:07:55,850 no stickers, no star charts, no reward 124 00:07:55,910 --> 00:07:59,572 charts. And people say, well, how can children be motivated in 125 00:08:00,112 --> 00:08:03,314 this classroom if they're not 126 00:08:03,354 --> 00:08:06,676 getting any rewards for doing the right thing? Well, 127 00:08:07,637 --> 00:08:11,239 what we've discovered actually in psychology, that 128 00:08:11,299 --> 00:08:15,622 the more you attune the child to their own intrinsic motivation, 129 00:08:16,686 --> 00:08:19,788 to learn something to become better, to reach a 130 00:08:19,828 --> 00:08:23,029 goal, ask them what are their goals for different subjects, where do 131 00:08:23,069 --> 00:08:26,591 they want to improve, that the better the learning 132 00:08:26,811 --> 00:08:30,553 is and the more effort they put in. And the 133 00:08:30,633 --> 00:08:34,655 same thing goes with tests that they have basically looked 134 00:08:34,835 --> 00:08:38,197 at two groups of children that were given 135 00:08:38,417 --> 00:08:41,865 extrinsic and an extrinsic reward and 136 00:08:42,025 --> 00:08:45,426 also extrinsic motivation. So these two groups of children 137 00:08:45,446 --> 00:08:49,027 that they studied were given a problem to solve. 138 00:08:50,468 --> 00:08:54,189 And the first group of children, when they finished that problem and 139 00:08:54,229 --> 00:08:57,771 they solved it, they were given a lots 140 00:08:57,871 --> 00:09:01,072 of congratulatory verbal affirmations of 141 00:09:01,132 --> 00:09:04,914 saying, good work, good job. You're so smart. And 142 00:09:04,934 --> 00:09:08,085 the other group, They praised the 143 00:09:08,285 --> 00:09:11,808 effort involved. So they said, wow, I 144 00:09:11,868 --> 00:09:15,051 really saw you trying really hard. You're really trying to work that 145 00:09:15,171 --> 00:09:18,894 out. You're trying to figure out those problems. Of 146 00:09:18,974 --> 00:09:22,697 these two groups, when they were asked if 147 00:09:22,737 --> 00:09:26,500 they wanted to do another problem that was even harder, the 148 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:32,711 first group that got the extrinsic affirmation, 90% of 149 00:09:32,771 --> 00:09:36,875 them said no, not interested. They didn't want to. And 150 00:09:37,735 --> 00:09:41,479 every single child in the intrinsic group 151 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,813 where got given affirmed for their effort all 152 00:09:45,933 --> 00:09:49,436 said yes, they wanted to try something harder and something 153 00:09:49,476 --> 00:09:53,259 more difficult. So what is that showing us? When 154 00:09:53,359 --> 00:09:56,862 we are allowing the child to 155 00:09:56,902 --> 00:10:00,084 see what's their inner effort that they're putting into something and 156 00:10:00,124 --> 00:10:03,547 we're affirming the effort that goes into the process rather than 157 00:10:03,587 --> 00:10:07,250 the end result or rather than their intelligence or academic results 158 00:10:07,330 --> 00:10:11,073 in something, it helps them come back to that inner 159 00:10:11,717 --> 00:10:15,579 in a compass where they can guide themselves. 160 00:10:15,699 --> 00:10:19,261 And when it comes to real life, to 161 00:10:19,361 --> 00:10:22,543 achieve anything greater life, we know that we have to 162 00:10:23,364 --> 00:10:26,886 make mistakes. We're going to make mistakes and we're going to learn 163 00:10:26,906 --> 00:10:30,628 from it and try again. We call it failing forward, learning 164 00:10:30,808 --> 00:10:34,390 and trying again, learning and trying again. But if you have children who 165 00:10:34,410 --> 00:10:37,692 are too scared to make a mistake and too scared 166 00:10:37,732 --> 00:10:41,410 to try something harder, we're basically scaling 167 00:10:41,450 --> 00:10:44,735 back the process of innovation for our children. So what we can 168 00:10:44,795 --> 00:10:48,059 do is always make sure we praise the 169 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,504 effort rather than the end result and we can 170 00:10:51,604 --> 00:10:55,109 think long term what's going to benefit our children 171 00:10:55,149 --> 00:10:58,945 in terms of these skills, academically, emotionally, 172 00:10:59,065 --> 00:11:02,927 socially, long term when they walk out those doors of 173 00:11:03,628 --> 00:11:06,789 our school rooms and also of our homes. Thank you so 174 00:11:06,829 --> 00:11:10,711 much for listening. 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