1 00:00:06,367 --> 00:00:12,507 Welcome to LawNext PR, the podcast where we put a spotlight on the latest news coming out of the legal tech industry. 2 00:00:12,667 --> 00:00:20,547 This is Bob Ambrogi and on each sponsored episode of LawNext PR, I interview a legal tech company about its latest news and developments. 3 00:00:21,027 --> 00:00:33,527 Today I'm joined by Ed Watts, CEO of InfoTrack, to discuss its launch of InfoTrack Intelligence, the first AI powered court filing solution for US law firms. 4 00:00:34,367 --> 00:00:35,613 Ed, welcome to the show. 5 00:00:35,613 --> 00:00:38,148 Fantastic, thanks Bob, great to be here. 6 00:00:38,602 --> 00:00:39,384 It's good to see you. 7 00:00:39,384 --> 00:00:50,058 Before we start to talk about InfoTrack intelligence, I always like to step back and talk a little bit about InfoTrack just for the benefit of any viewers and listeners who aren't 8 00:00:50,058 --> 00:00:52,381 familiar with you and what you do. 9 00:00:52,381 --> 00:00:53,603 So why don't we start there? 10 00:00:53,603 --> 00:00:56,279 Why don't you walk us through a little bit about InfoTrack and what you do. 11 00:00:56,279 --> 00:00:57,080 Yeah, absolutely. 12 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:08,992 So InfoTrack's a legal tech company and we've been providing core litigation support tasks to legal professionals such as court filing, service of process, docket syncing and more. 13 00:01:08,992 --> 00:01:14,479 We do that with a view to make those services incredibly efficient and streamlined. 14 00:01:14,479 --> 00:01:22,125 So our objective is to take the pain out of that tedious work, helping law firms work, generally smarter and not harder. 15 00:01:22,231 --> 00:01:30,961 We've always had the mantra since day one that our solutions are designed to allow legal professionals to do what they were taught to do, which is practicing law and helping 16 00:01:30,961 --> 00:01:31,682 clients. 17 00:01:31,682 --> 00:01:36,878 And so we've had that mission part of our core in our hearts since day one. 18 00:01:37,823 --> 00:01:45,216 So you've just announced the launch of this InfoTrack Intelligence describing it as an intelligent e-filing. 19 00:01:45,398 --> 00:01:48,173 tell us generally about it and we'll drill down into it a little bit more. 20 00:01:48,173 --> 00:01:50,587 But what is InfoTrack Intelligence? 21 00:01:50,662 --> 00:01:57,818 Yeah, so InfoTrack Intelligence is what we're naming the engine that is powering our workflows. 22 00:01:57,818 --> 00:02:07,912 So in court filing, the engine is providing the link between the documents being uploaded and the form being completed and submitted to the courts. 23 00:02:07,912 --> 00:02:12,721 What we've observed these courts are generally quite complicated, Bob. 24 00:02:12,721 --> 00:02:19,047 And generally we feel that court filing has got more complicated over time than less complicated. 25 00:02:19,047 --> 00:02:26,933 We've seen the advent of electronic filing, so no longer do you have to go to the courthouse and deliver the documents over the counter. 26 00:02:26,993 --> 00:02:39,924 But that's been replaced with complexity in a workflow that requires the filers to input a huge amount of data into these forms in order to submit their filing. 27 00:02:39,924 --> 00:02:51,022 And increasingly, with that amount of data that they have to enter, if they get that incorrect, if they make mistakes, it generally leads to a filing rejection, which is 28 00:02:51,022 --> 00:02:53,204 incredibly problematic law firms. 29 00:02:53,204 --> 00:03:00,209 And InfoTrack Intelligence is the tool and mechanism that we've delivered to solve those problems. 30 00:03:00,359 --> 00:03:02,240 So it sounds like you're saying there's really two problems here. 31 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:08,483 One is just the time consuming part of having to enter this data and get this all filled out and ready to file. 32 00:03:08,483 --> 00:03:21,808 The other part is the propensity for error in performing that data filling task and the fact that that can then lead to redundancies and rejections and other inefficiencies. 33 00:03:21,808 --> 00:03:23,009 Absolutely. 34 00:03:23,009 --> 00:03:29,393 We have a tremendous amount of sympathy and empathy with the filers going through these forms and workflows. 35 00:03:29,393 --> 00:03:37,080 They require a huge amount of cognitive load thinking to complete and they take time. 36 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:47,549 We've seen users spend 15 minutes plus on these forms, deliberating over every field, every drop down and then agonizing over if that's right, if it's wrong before they hit 37 00:03:47,549 --> 00:03:47,985 that. 38 00:03:47,985 --> 00:04:01,217 Submit button and so InfoTrack Intelligence does all of that in 30 seconds And so not only are we reducing the time that they spend on that form but also improving accuracy of that 39 00:04:01,217 --> 00:04:15,408 data and so what we've seen is that populate about 95 % of the fields on that form and We have 99 % accuracy which has led to a 50 % reduction 40 00:04:15,408 --> 00:04:16,620 in rejection rates. 41 00:04:16,620 --> 00:04:22,266 And so as you alluded to, rejections are very significant for the law firms. 42 00:04:22,266 --> 00:04:34,283 There's a downstream client that's impacted with whatever they're trying to get over the line, as well as the impact on the law firm and their reputational, potentially impact for 43 00:04:34,283 --> 00:04:35,764 rejected filing. 44 00:04:35,904 --> 00:04:42,161 So in terms of the workflow, mean, how does this change how I would have used InfoTrack previously? 45 00:04:42,234 --> 00:04:47,093 I'm filing a complaint or some other pleading through an e-filing system. 46 00:04:47,093 --> 00:04:47,824 What's it look like? 47 00:04:47,824 --> 00:04:48,404 What's the process? 48 00:04:48,404 --> 00:04:49,205 How does it work? 49 00:04:49,205 --> 00:04:59,754 Yeah, so as I mentioned before, InfoTrack has always been about supporting law firms and legal professionals in one of those litigation support tasks. 50 00:04:59,754 --> 00:05:10,104 And predominantly, we've done that by connecting to practice management systems and extracting data from a variety of different sources to automatically populate that form. 51 00:05:10,104 --> 00:05:11,641 That's very similar. 52 00:05:11,641 --> 00:05:19,561 Today, we still work with a variety of vendors and tools that law firms use to extract data. 53 00:05:19,561 --> 00:05:28,421 However, now we're using the document as a prime of the documents that are being inputted as a primary source of information. 54 00:05:28,421 --> 00:05:37,741 And so we're pulling all the data from those forms and fields that are inputted in order to fill out the form in an automated manner. 55 00:05:37,805 --> 00:05:43,830 And so really how it looks now, Bob, is you upload your documents, the form's filled out, and you hit submit. 56 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:48,173 And so that's the difference that we're providing for law firms today. 57 00:05:48,343 --> 00:05:53,098 You said earlier that this can be now get the process done in 30 seconds or something like that. 58 00:05:53,098 --> 00:05:54,281 How does that compare to before? 59 00:05:54,281 --> 00:05:56,316 I how much time savings is that? 60 00:05:56,364 --> 00:06:01,824 Yes, so we've seen many firms spend 15 minutes plus on a filing. 61 00:06:01,944 --> 00:06:08,684 And again, you know, these forms have got increasingly complex as time has progressed. 62 00:06:08,824 --> 00:06:15,844 The courts have required more data to be inputted to streamline their own internal processes. 63 00:06:16,224 --> 00:06:21,864 And if you were to navigate these forms yourself, they're confusing. 64 00:06:21,864 --> 00:06:26,284 They're not designed with users necessarily in mind. 65 00:06:26,524 --> 00:06:29,096 and there's lots of complicated permutations. 66 00:06:29,096 --> 00:06:35,591 So you pick one value from one drop down, it changes the form and the data that needs to be inputted after that. 67 00:06:35,591 --> 00:06:46,131 And so we've seen a massive reduction in time that users are spending on this form from 15 minutes down to 30 seconds just to give it a cursory review and submit. 68 00:06:46,131 --> 00:06:50,204 And I know that different courts have different requirements in terms of filing. 69 00:06:50,204 --> 00:06:55,839 How InfoTrack Intelligence accommodate for those differences in local court requirements? 70 00:06:56,221 --> 00:06:57,261 good question. 71 00:06:57,501 --> 00:07:03,941 So the input track intelligence is built using kind of three core pillars that we consider. 72 00:07:03,941 --> 00:07:09,521 One is the documents that are being inputted or generally the input data. 73 00:07:09,521 --> 00:07:18,341 And so we're really smart OCR optical character recognition technology to extract the information from those documents. 74 00:07:18,581 --> 00:07:22,581 The second component is core policy, which is 75 00:07:22,581 --> 00:07:28,064 the fields and data that needs to be inputted for a variety of different jurisdictions. 76 00:07:28,064 --> 00:07:31,125 And the third component is civil procedure. 77 00:07:31,245 --> 00:07:38,348 And so almost in every state, civil procedure, which dictates how things should be filed and through which path. 78 00:07:38,348 --> 00:07:47,212 And so we have taken civil procedure and some local rules as well to understand the rules of these courts. 79 00:07:47,212 --> 00:07:49,958 And so we take all those three things together. 80 00:07:49,958 --> 00:08:01,289 coupled with really smart people, internally both attorneys, our users and all of our staff to marry them together to make an automated process that starts with the documents 81 00:08:01,289 --> 00:08:07,212 being uploaded and finishes with the form being fully populated and ready to submit. 82 00:08:07,212 --> 00:08:08,452 Yeah. 83 00:08:08,932 --> 00:08:22,272 Legal professionals remain very concerned about the propensity of AI to commit errors or hallucinations, as we often talk about it. 84 00:08:22,272 --> 00:08:25,132 You say this is 99 percent accurate. 85 00:08:25,132 --> 00:08:29,932 What kind of assurances can you provide users that, you know, that this will be? 86 00:08:30,614 --> 00:08:41,774 Yeah, so to answer that, think I've got to go back to where I started with said that InfoTrack has always been about solving the problems that our users face. 87 00:08:42,134 --> 00:08:50,274 As technologists, we have tools in our toolkit and we look at which tool to use for what job. 88 00:08:50,614 --> 00:08:53,234 AI is another tool in our toolkit. 89 00:08:53,234 --> 00:08:59,758 And so we've looked at our entire workflow and we've realized there's a component in this process that is 90 00:08:59,794 --> 00:09:05,804 very readily solvable by recent developments in AI technology. 91 00:09:05,804 --> 00:09:09,562 And that's exactly how we've used it as part of a workflow. 92 00:09:09,562 --> 00:09:14,168 So it's really on Rails, a component in this process. 93 00:09:14,168 --> 00:09:17,689 And the user can see the results of that. 94 00:09:17,689 --> 00:09:22,704 We show them the form populated as we see fit. 95 00:09:22,704 --> 00:09:28,550 they can review that and correct anything that they feel is inaccurate. 96 00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:40,830 and you know, lot of the feeling from legal professionals about AI, think is justified in many manners and, you generally their responsibility is to scrutinize and they're not 97 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:43,525 ultimately responsible for the actions. 98 00:09:43,525 --> 00:09:44,742 I think that 99 00:09:44,742 --> 00:09:56,775 This is a fantastic use of AI that enables and enhances the task and increases the efficiencies of the users. 100 00:09:56,835 --> 00:10:01,058 We're simultaneously minimizing risk. 101 00:10:01,058 --> 00:10:07,083 I think that because it's on Rails and prescribed in a very specific use case, 102 00:10:07,185 --> 00:10:20,484 that allows us to put a lot of safeguards, testing, validation around it as opposed to perhaps an open-ended legal chat bot, for example, where you don't really know what the 103 00:10:20,484 --> 00:10:30,110 user is going to ask and so you don't really know what the answer is going to be spat out of it and so how can you really validate that that was accurate or not? 104 00:10:30,231 --> 00:10:34,941 In this instance, we have hundreds of thousands of parties going through our system 105 00:10:34,941 --> 00:10:47,781 every year and we can very confidently validate that the accuracy of these processes is going to yield a strong result and reduce rejection rate. 106 00:10:48,044 --> 00:10:51,178 What states is this available in at this point? 107 00:10:51,236 --> 00:10:57,919 So we're currently live in Texas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, and Nevada. 108 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,518 California and Illinois are coming soon. 109 00:11:00,518 --> 00:11:02,120 And so does this. 110 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,503 Is this something that you sell as an additional product? 111 00:11:05,503 --> 00:11:09,617 Is this something that's just built into the product you already have? 112 00:11:09,617 --> 00:11:11,419 mean, how does that work in terms of people? 113 00:11:11,419 --> 00:11:12,469 Yeah. 114 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:12,815 Yeah. 115 00:11:12,815 --> 00:11:13,895 is what we do. 116 00:11:13,895 --> 00:11:17,177 We work as best we can to improve these efficiencies. 117 00:11:17,177 --> 00:11:19,999 And so this is all part of the existing application. 118 00:11:19,999 --> 00:11:24,760 We don't see this as a value add or something to pay more for. 119 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,562 This is just part of the service that we offer. 120 00:11:27,562 --> 00:11:31,235 InfoTrack is all transactional fee based. 121 00:11:31,235 --> 00:11:34,866 No subscriptions, no sign up fees, no training costs. 122 00:11:34,866 --> 00:11:36,694 You pay for what you use. 123 00:11:36,694 --> 00:11:40,947 And generally that means that that fee can be passed on to the downstream client. 124 00:11:40,947 --> 00:11:43,690 The law firm doesn't pay for it, their client generally does. 125 00:11:43,690 --> 00:11:51,458 And so that's incredibly valuable when we save the law firm an incredible amount of time and risk aversion as well. 126 00:11:51,458 --> 00:11:55,711 So reducing the chance of mistakes in this process. 127 00:11:55,711 --> 00:12:07,133 Yeah, is it it in any way key to is the benefit of this product in any way key to kind of the frequency by which a particular law firm is is actually performing a filing? 128 00:12:07,407 --> 00:12:08,247 really good question. 129 00:12:08,247 --> 00:12:09,588 We thought a lot about this. 130 00:12:09,588 --> 00:12:12,110 I think it's for everyone. 131 00:12:12,110 --> 00:12:21,746 And so it doesn't matter if you're, you you always file in the same jurisdiction, you're an absolute wizard, you can fly through these forms and you're doing it hundreds of times 132 00:12:21,746 --> 00:12:22,146 a day. 133 00:12:22,146 --> 00:12:26,480 There's something for that person, it saves them, it's on rails, they don't have to think. 134 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,231 Or if you're someone who files once a month. 135 00:12:29,231 --> 00:12:36,606 I don't think it matters because somebody who's coming once a month, they're not familiar with the forms, they have to refresh themselves, they're more likely probably to make a 136 00:12:36,606 --> 00:12:37,526 mistake. 137 00:12:37,526 --> 00:12:48,065 Again, this automates that process and would significantly reduce the chance of errors for an infrequent filer just as much as it would a frequent filer. 138 00:12:48,065 --> 00:12:50,005 That's all the questions I have. 139 00:12:50,005 --> 00:12:55,297 Is there anything else that you'd like to point out to listeners or viewers about InfraTrack Intelligence? 140 00:12:55,297 --> 00:12:58,658 Yeah, I'd just like to thank all the people who have contributed to this. 141 00:12:58,658 --> 00:13:08,412 We really listen to our customers and understand their pain points and they've helped shape this product and allowed us to deliver it. 142 00:13:08,412 --> 00:13:19,648 And it's no real secret that listening to your customer base is a great way to get ideas and feedback and shape the direction of what to build. 143 00:13:19,648 --> 00:13:22,810 And in this case, they've absolutely done that. 144 00:13:22,810 --> 00:13:29,997 And so very appreciative and thankful for the amazing community that's driven this innovation. 145 00:13:29,997 --> 00:13:37,784 And we'd love for people to go to our website and read about it, look at it, and give it a go. 146 00:13:37,784 --> 00:13:44,591 I think it's revolutionary and groundbreaking, and it solves a very real problem for filers. 147 00:13:44,591 --> 00:13:47,904 And so please go to infotrack.com forward slash. 148 00:13:47,914 --> 00:13:50,070 intelligence to see more. 149 00:13:50,997 --> 00:13:54,005 Ed, thanks for coming on the show to tell us about this today. 150 00:13:54,113 --> 00:13:56,135 Fantastic, thanks Bob, appreciate it. 151 00:13:56,237 --> 00:13:57,187 Yeah, it sounds good. 152 00:13:57,187 --> 00:14:00,790 And as Ed said, go go check it out if you're at all curious. 153 00:14:00,991 --> 00:14:02,281 That's it for today's episode. 154 00:14:02,281 --> 00:14:05,980 If you enjoyed it, please subscribe wherever you get your podcast. 155 00:14:05,980 --> 00:14:07,724 You can also find us on YouTube. 156 00:14:07,724 --> 00:14:10,015 Just search for LawNext there. 157 00:14:10,055 --> 00:14:18,220 You can also find all the episodes on my site on lawnext.com and in the law next legal tech directory under the resources tab. 158 00:14:18,260 --> 00:14:19,320 This is Bob Ambrogi. 159 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:20,700 Thanks for joining us today.