1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,240 What would it look like to start a community that was really. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,960 It's for the people like Jesus would be for. 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,760 Welcome to Heaven Earth Church. 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,520 I'm Ross Stackhouse, the founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church. 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,440 From the start, our heart has been to be a church for people who 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,440 don't fit neatly into church. 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,040 We want to meet people where they are and know their stories. 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,460 Because in every story there is God story. 9 00:00:33,020 --> 00:00:35,220 And this podcast is just about that. 10 00:00:35,220 --> 00:00:38,580 It's about inviting you to the stories of the people of Heaven Earth 11 00:00:38,580 --> 00:00:39,020 Church. 12 00:00:39,580 --> 00:00:41,500 So let's turn to the story. 13 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:44,380 Hello, good people. 14 00:00:44,380 --> 00:00:46,580 Welcome to the Heaven Earth Church podcast. 15 00:00:46,580 --> 00:00:49,300 My name is Brad Miller, one of the producers and co hosts of the 16 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:49,820 podcast. 17 00:00:49,980 --> 00:00:53,500 We love to talk to people connected in the life of the church 18 00:00:53,820 --> 00:00:57,460 and so they can share the stories about, about their life and 19 00:00:57,460 --> 00:00:59,480 about their connection to Heaven Earth Church and about. 20 00:00:59,630 --> 00:01:01,190 About the mission of the church. 21 00:01:01,190 --> 00:01:06,510 And so today we are just really happy to have with us Ron 22 00:01:06,510 --> 00:01:08,510 and Patty Stackhouse. 23 00:01:08,750 --> 00:01:09,950 So welcome. 24 00:01:09,950 --> 00:01:10,750 Glad that you're here. 25 00:01:11,470 --> 00:01:12,110 Thank you. 26 00:01:12,190 --> 00:01:12,750 Awesome. 27 00:01:12,910 --> 00:01:14,350 Well, Ron, let's just start with you. 28 00:01:14,350 --> 00:01:16,030 Tell us what's, what's hometown for you. 29 00:01:16,750 --> 00:01:20,230 West Maiden Springs, Indiana, New Orleans county, southern part 30 00:01:20,230 --> 00:01:20,670 of the state. 31 00:01:20,670 --> 00:01:21,190 Awesome. 32 00:01:21,190 --> 00:01:23,150 Tell me just a little bit about growing up there. 33 00:01:24,110 --> 00:01:30,150 Well, I was born the only child my mother ever had. 34 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:31,750 She was 15. 35 00:01:32,230 --> 00:01:32,870 Okay. 36 00:01:33,030 --> 00:01:39,870 And I lived with her and my grandparents, usually with my grandparents 37 00:01:39,870 --> 00:01:40,630 through the winter. 38 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:45,190 My mom and stepfather worked on pipelines, so they would travel. 39 00:01:45,190 --> 00:01:47,750 I'd be with them in the summer, come back to Indiana. 40 00:01:47,750 --> 00:01:48,950 My grandparents go to school. 41 00:01:49,590 --> 00:01:50,710 She had kind of a. 42 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,520 In a little bit of a nomadic life in a way. 43 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:54,040 Didn't you? 44 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:55,720 A lot of places. 45 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,720 Well, that, that's awesome. 46 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:58,560 Patty, how about you? 47 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,480 What's, what's, what's your hometown? 48 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:01,880 Where, where, where do you hail from? 49 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,480 I was born in Indianapolis. 50 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,360 Well, in Lawrence, Indiana. 51 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:07,000 Well, it's not. 52 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,480 Anyway, I was born in Methodist hospital like my six other 53 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,160 siblings. 54 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:13,840 All right. 55 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,760 And lived in the Same House all 18 years until I got married 56 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,600 and we grew up in. 57 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,240 It was called Lawrence Christian Church. 58 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,640 Okay, so tell them about growing up. 59 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:26,920 What was something you said you had several siblings and things. 60 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:27,680 Give me one. 61 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,440 Oh, warm or good thing about your growing up years. 62 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,000 Something that was kind of memorable about your growing up years. 63 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,760 Well, my parents most, when I was younger had a cottage up in Monticello 64 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,520 and so those are always good memories. 65 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,250 And we have the youth group up there sometimes and it was just a 66 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:48,890 lot of fun when we went to the lake. 67 00:02:49,130 --> 00:02:49,690 Awesome. 68 00:02:49,690 --> 00:02:50,330 Awesome. 69 00:02:51,050 --> 00:02:56,090 Ron, tell us, tell us a little Bit about your faith story, about 70 00:02:57,610 --> 00:03:00,610 either coming to faith in the first place or your faith journey 71 00:03:00,610 --> 00:03:03,610 that kind of led you along the way to become more. 72 00:03:03,690 --> 00:03:06,170 More of a committed Christian and, you know, deeply involved with 73 00:03:06,170 --> 00:03:07,210 the local church. 74 00:03:08,170 --> 00:03:11,810 Well, in my old hometown of West Baden, there was a little small 75 00:03:11,810 --> 00:03:13,690 United Methodist church still there. 76 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:22,360 And my mom or my grandmother either would, I suppose they took 77 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:28,280 me when I was little and then someplace around the eight year old 78 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,920 range, my grandmother would get me ready, my clothes ready on 79 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:33,840 Saturday and send me to church. 80 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:41,050 She would send me because she never attended church, she didn't 81 00:03:41,050 --> 00:03:42,730 feel she had nice enough clothing. 82 00:03:42,730 --> 00:03:43,370 Okay. 83 00:03:43,530 --> 00:03:43,970 Yeah. 84 00:03:43,970 --> 00:03:44,410 Wow. 85 00:03:45,850 --> 00:03:48,570 Which was just something of her background, I suppose. 86 00:03:48,570 --> 00:03:49,130 Okay. 87 00:03:49,130 --> 00:03:53,210 So went to this little church, attended very regularly, had been 88 00:03:53,210 --> 00:03:54,810 nurturing people all my Life. 89 00:03:57,130 --> 00:04:02,890 Someplace around 8 or 9, I'd come and ring the bell at 9:15. 90 00:04:03,610 --> 00:04:05,650 So the people in the community know they're supposed to be going 91 00:04:05,650 --> 00:04:06,090 to church. 92 00:04:06,940 --> 00:04:08,660 9:30, I ring the bell. 93 00:04:08,660 --> 00:04:09,580 You're supposed to be here. 94 00:04:09,580 --> 00:04:10,060 Yeah. 95 00:04:10,220 --> 00:04:10,820 And that's. 96 00:04:10,820 --> 00:04:13,500 So that was kind of your job, the bell ringer. 97 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:14,100 All right. 98 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:14,460 And. 99 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:20,500 And there were people in that church that were very nurturing to 100 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:21,340 me in my faith. 101 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:22,300 Awesome. 102 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:23,980 I could name three or four yet today. 103 00:04:24,220 --> 00:04:24,900 That's awesome. 104 00:04:24,900 --> 00:04:26,300 Well, that is fantastic. 105 00:04:26,300 --> 00:04:31,220 And I love that imagery of you, the nurturing church, even though 106 00:04:31,220 --> 00:04:34,560 there was some discomfort or whatever on your mom's part or however 107 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,080 that was working out and then. 108 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,440 But you got to have a role to ring the bell and people nurtured 109 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,160 you and took care of you there. 110 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:44,560 Well, Patty, let's talk about you. 111 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,240 Tell me a little bit about your faith life growing up and kind 112 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,920 of what eventually led you to be what I know now as a committed 113 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:51,640 part of the church. 114 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:58,510 As I said, I grew up at Lawrence Christian Church and was 115 00:04:59,310 --> 00:05:04,990 very blessed to have a very committed youth sponsor. 116 00:05:05,230 --> 00:05:08,590 And that youth sponsor taught us many things. 117 00:05:09,950 --> 00:05:13,790 And I think that helped me grow the most at the beginning. 118 00:05:14,430 --> 00:05:20,470 And of course, all my brothers and sisters involved too. 119 00:05:20,470 --> 00:05:24,110 And then many of them married spouses that were in the ministry. 120 00:05:24,190 --> 00:05:28,810 And so I became a Christian when I was 9. 121 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:36,970 I was baptized then and I just stuck to my faith the whole time. 122 00:05:36,970 --> 00:05:41,450 But I haven't grown as much as I have here at Heaven Earth. 123 00:05:41,610 --> 00:05:42,170 Awesome. 124 00:05:42,170 --> 00:05:45,170 We'll come to that part of our story here in just a minute, but 125 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:47,610 I want to hear just a little bit more about your personal story 126 00:05:47,930 --> 00:05:51,540 in the sense of how you and Ron managed to get get together. 127 00:05:52,420 --> 00:05:59,900 Well, I was married 30 years to someone else and then I became 128 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:05,380 single and for my girlfriend introduced Me to him. 129 00:06:05,620 --> 00:06:10,420 He was there with her at a euchre church euchre party, a singles 130 00:06:10,420 --> 00:06:11,140 euchre party. 131 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:12,660 And that's how I. 132 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:13,660 I met him. 133 00:06:13,660 --> 00:06:20,480 And then six months, a year later he called me want to know if 134 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,280 I wanted to go out. 135 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:25,200 And I wasn't really interested a lot, but I thought it sounds like 136 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:25,440 fun. 137 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,840 So I went out with him and on the second day date I knew he was 138 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:30,400 the one. 139 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:32,880 Wow. 140 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,040 Had you been single for a fairly long time or five years? 141 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,800 So a fairly long time and yeah. 142 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,200 So you had at least a little bit used to being on your own, I 143 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:42,480 guess. 144 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,640 Is that a fair thing to say? 145 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:44,160 I just want to. 146 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,080 Yeah, it was still hard. 147 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,000 I've never, never. 148 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,120 I got married at 18. 149 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:47,920 Right. 150 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,380 And after high school week after high school. 151 00:06:50,380 --> 00:06:52,940 So I'd never been on my own. 152 00:06:53,180 --> 00:06:57,500 And so those are learning years. 153 00:06:57,820 --> 00:06:58,220 Right. 154 00:06:58,540 --> 00:07:03,380 My faith grew a lot because I knew had to give it all to God because 155 00:07:03,380 --> 00:07:05,340 I didn't know how to do it myself, you know. 156 00:07:05,340 --> 00:07:07,020 And I think I let him control. 157 00:07:07,820 --> 00:07:10,620 Be in control those four to five years. 158 00:07:10,620 --> 00:07:10,900 And then. 159 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:11,140 Do you. 160 00:07:11,140 --> 00:07:13,860 I forget, I know you've been that to me personally before, but 161 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:16,260 you had career as well, is that right? 162 00:07:16,260 --> 00:07:17,420 Yes, I was in. 163 00:07:17,420 --> 00:07:17,780 In. 164 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:24,260 Well, I was a store service manager in like grocery stores. 165 00:07:24,260 --> 00:07:26,020 Os and okay. 166 00:07:26,020 --> 00:07:32,980 And then I got into banking and I was investment banker. 167 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:34,020 Okay. 168 00:07:34,020 --> 00:07:35,700 Opening account and stuff in bank. 169 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:37,060 Awesome, awesome. 170 00:07:37,460 --> 00:07:39,180 Ron, let's learn a little bit about you personally. 171 00:07:39,180 --> 00:07:40,950 Let's kind of start with what do you. 172 00:07:40,950 --> 00:07:44,590 What did you kind of evolve to do in your adult years career wise 173 00:07:44,590 --> 00:07:46,550 and service and things of that nature. 174 00:07:46,550 --> 00:07:48,070 Tell a little bit of what happened that way. 175 00:07:48,870 --> 00:07:55,270 I worked for about eight or nine years and got through Purdue 176 00:07:55,270 --> 00:08:03,350 University, graduated there and then I worked in production management 177 00:08:03,590 --> 00:08:07,720 and material management, purchasing production control. 178 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,080 And then I had an opportunity to move into technical sales. 179 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:21,360 So then I worked for about 30 years as a tooling application sales 180 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,040 engineer. 181 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,080 I would apply tungsten carbide, ceramic tooling machine, 182 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,680 metals, calling on accounts like Cummins. 183 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:29,400 Allison. 184 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,400 I did that for 30 years. 185 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,690 Now as I tell everybody choking me. 186 00:08:34,690 --> 00:08:35,610 It fed the bulldog. 187 00:08:35,610 --> 00:08:36,370 It kept us going. 188 00:08:36,450 --> 00:08:37,170 There you go. 189 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:40,530 I also know you, you served in the military, correct? 190 00:08:41,010 --> 00:08:42,370 I was in the National Guard. 191 00:08:42,770 --> 00:08:43,250 Awesome. 192 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:45,090 A helicopter unit for six years. 193 00:08:45,170 --> 00:08:46,930 Well, that's, that's great. 194 00:08:47,250 --> 00:08:49,010 Now she mentioned how you two got together. 195 00:08:49,010 --> 00:08:50,930 Was what she said accurate, for one thing. 196 00:08:50,930 --> 00:08:54,090 And then, you know, I'm just going to say that you married up, 197 00:08:54,090 --> 00:08:54,610 of course. 198 00:08:54,690 --> 00:08:59,570 But tell me a little bit about how your perspective on how you two 199 00:08:59,570 --> 00:09:00,050 got together. 200 00:09:00,050 --> 00:09:01,490 And what's been really good about that. 201 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:03,680 A little background there. 202 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:05,200 My first wife passed away. 203 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:06,080 Okay. 204 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,520 After we'd had a daughter. 205 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,320 And then I was remarried and. 206 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,120 And they didn't work, you know, a couple times. 207 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,040 Didn't work, didn't work out. 208 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:23,560 And I had two children in a second marriage, and we got a divorce. 209 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:24,560 She gave them to me. 210 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:31,230 So I had three children, 14, four, and nine months. 211 00:09:32,110 --> 00:09:34,110 And was a single parent for some time. 212 00:09:35,470 --> 00:09:37,550 And then I didn't think I'd marry again. 213 00:09:38,030 --> 00:09:38,510 Yeah. 214 00:09:38,750 --> 00:09:43,790 And my friend Carol introduced me to Patty. 215 00:09:44,590 --> 00:09:49,870 We started dating, and I probably knew pretty soon that she 216 00:09:49,870 --> 00:09:52,990 was the right one, but I couldn't convince myself. 217 00:09:52,990 --> 00:09:54,270 That's the way I'll say it. 218 00:09:54,670 --> 00:09:56,030 We dated for four years. 219 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:56,920 Yeah. 220 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:04,000 And finally I got the nerve to say, yes, this is the right one, 221 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,280 and the Lord has blessed me. 222 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,080 Awesome. 223 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,480 And so you had a relatively long time as a single father, too, 224 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:11,160 is that right? 225 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,080 Yeah, through a couple marriages in there and raising my 226 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:15,480 kids. 227 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:20,640 So what a blessing you two got together, huh? 228 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,120 Been a good overall, a good thing? 229 00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:22,910 Oh, yes. 230 00:10:22,910 --> 00:10:23,550 Oh, yes. 231 00:10:23,550 --> 00:10:24,110 Awesome. 232 00:10:24,110 --> 00:10:24,710 Awesome. 233 00:10:25,110 --> 00:10:26,750 Well, I know, Ron, tell me about. 234 00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:29,110 You were at one of your prior churches. 235 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:33,390 You were pretty involved, were you not, in terms of things that 236 00:10:33,390 --> 00:10:34,310 happen in your church? 237 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:37,270 So you've been involved with the church for a long time, leadership 238 00:10:37,270 --> 00:10:38,669 capacities and things like that? 239 00:10:38,669 --> 00:10:43,350 I was involved a lot in the church I was raised in, born in. 240 00:10:45,270 --> 00:10:48,310 I attended there for, like, 13 years in this. 241 00:10:48,710 --> 00:10:52,030 Once or twice in the summer, I'd be at my mom and stepfather. 242 00:10:52,030 --> 00:10:52,390 Right. 243 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:54,630 Who worked on pipelines. 244 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:58,870 Wherever we were, they'd get me to church. 245 00:10:59,670 --> 00:11:05,110 Baptist Church, Church of Christ in Louisiana one summer. 246 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:05,710 Yeah. 247 00:11:05,710 --> 00:11:11,190 And then through the years, just stayed involved. 248 00:11:13,750 --> 00:11:17,040 It was after I got out of college, I decided to be baptized. 249 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:17,680 Okay. 250 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:18,200 All right. 251 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,640 And I was baptized, and I was 27 or 8. 252 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:23,280 Wow. 253 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:24,880 I was baptized. 254 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:25,520 That's great. 255 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:26,560 That's great. 256 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:28,840 Well, tell us the story then. 257 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:29,920 You've been involved with. 258 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,920 Sound like both of you kind of grew up in church and you were involved 259 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,280 with church in your younger years, but also as adults, you know, 260 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,160 quite involved with church activities. 261 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,240 So you're church people. 262 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,360 So you grew up in. 263 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,440 I think it's fair to say you grew up in churches that would be 264 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,720 somewhat traditional in nature. 265 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,080 Is that a fair thing to say? 266 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,320 So now you're part of Heaven Earth Church, which has a little 267 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,400 bit of a different model than a traditional church. 268 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,760 So tell me a little bit. 269 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,760 I know part of the story here, but share with the folks that are 270 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:03,440 gonna be listening to this. 271 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,280 How you, after being very involved with the churches you're 272 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,510 part of, end up come in here and be a part of this initially. 273 00:12:11,390 --> 00:12:12,670 Let's start with you, Patty. 274 00:12:12,670 --> 00:12:15,070 Additionally, because our son was the. 275 00:12:15,550 --> 00:12:22,590 Is the pastor here, but when he was at this previous church, I 276 00:12:22,590 --> 00:12:24,670 mean, he. 277 00:12:25,070 --> 00:12:25,630 I just. 278 00:12:25,630 --> 00:12:29,590 God blessed me with a son that could help me grow in Christ and 279 00:12:29,590 --> 00:12:35,750 help me understand a lot more in a different way, which has been 280 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:36,350 very good. 281 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,880 And then, of course, when we're coming here, I can't explain 282 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,200 any better than that that it. 283 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Sure he grows and I love the people here and it's joy and anticipate 284 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,040 going to church every Sunday. 285 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:52,000 Yeah. 286 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,320 Well, you know, Ron, you know, Patty has mentioned it's your son 287 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,640 Ross, who's the pastor here. 288 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,560 I forget what you mentioned. 289 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:00,800 You've got four children all together. 290 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:01,240 I forget. 291 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:01,600 Yes. 292 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:02,720 So in that. 293 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:03,360 Which one? 294 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:03,600 In. 295 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:03,920 In. 296 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,000 There were five. 297 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,600 Patty lost a son. 298 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:07,160 Right. 299 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:08,200 Okay. 300 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,200 But, yeah, I forget. 301 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:09,520 He's. 302 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:10,600 He's not the oldest, is he? 303 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:11,440 Oh, he's the youngest. 304 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,200 He's the youngest. 305 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:12,760 Okay. 306 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,280 Well, just tell me a little bit how that evolved, how your youngest 307 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,920 son ended up being, you know, you connect with him as a, as a pastor 308 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,840 and how you've got to be at least. 309 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,760 At least initially involved with heaven or church. 310 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,240 And a little bit about your journey there. 311 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:27,960 Okay. 312 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:28,760 Well, we. 313 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,490 At always raising my children in church. 314 00:13:31,570 --> 00:13:33,810 Yeah, we went to church every Sunday someplace. 315 00:13:34,210 --> 00:13:36,850 And as teenagers, I told them, it doesn't matter how late you come 316 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:38,770 in, you're getting up with me. 317 00:13:39,730 --> 00:13:41,210 And we would go to. 318 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:42,130 We would go to church. 319 00:13:42,130 --> 00:13:42,530 Right. 320 00:13:42,610 --> 00:13:54,170 And then my oldest daughter on Tenny University said, I'm thinking 321 00:13:54,170 --> 00:13:55,490 about going into religious studies. 322 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,800 I said, that's through you and God. 323 00:13:58,680 --> 00:13:59,360 And she did. 324 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:00,840 And she's a Methodist pastor. 325 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:09,960 Then my middle daughter, who is very evangelistic, I'll say, yeah. 326 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,120 She attended Southern Indiana University. 327 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:20,360 And Ross went to Purdue and decided to get a theological master's 328 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,160 at Vanderbilt. 329 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:27,520 Then he interviewed and came into a church, became a pastor, and 330 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,600 Patty and I attended there. 331 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,480 Our daughter was far away in a church. 332 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,360 We got involved in that church, and then Ross chose to do 333 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:43,680 a church plant, and we were involved in him starting that and 334 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,750 deciding where the church ended up being. 335 00:14:49,070 --> 00:14:52,790 And he was offered the opportunity of the church that is 336 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:57,390 now Heaven Earth, and we started attending here. 337 00:14:58,030 --> 00:15:01,670 So you started attending and if I'm understanding correctly, to 338 00:15:01,670 --> 00:15:02,510 support your son. 339 00:15:03,229 --> 00:15:04,510 That's a part of it at least. 340 00:15:05,230 --> 00:15:07,390 But it's, you know, I know you've been a part of the church 341 00:15:07,390 --> 00:15:09,230 for some time since its inception. 342 00:15:09,550 --> 00:15:14,030 So part of what you know, it's my understanding you're not here 343 00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:15,350 only to support your son. 344 00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:16,670 You're here because you've made a. 345 00:15:16,860 --> 00:15:17,340 A connection. 346 00:15:17,340 --> 00:15:20,140 So tell me a little more about the connection you made and Patty 347 00:15:20,140 --> 00:15:21,340 will come to you in a second on that. 348 00:15:21,340 --> 00:15:25,580 When I talk to people today, this is often what I say. 349 00:15:25,980 --> 00:15:31,980 I don't attend Heaven Earth Church because my son is there, unfortunate 350 00:15:31,980 --> 00:15:32,540 that he is. 351 00:15:33,180 --> 00:15:40,140 But I attend it because that congregation, my son and his presentation 352 00:15:40,780 --> 00:15:47,030 all feed my faith and nurture me in my faith and my family and. 353 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:53,870 And I think the people of Heaven Earth Church, I think that's 354 00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:56,150 what most of them are, they're fed. 355 00:15:56,150 --> 00:16:03,990 But what happens here, it's. 356 00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:05,910 It's the relationship you have with Christ. 357 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:06,510 Yeah. 358 00:16:06,510 --> 00:16:08,430 And how's it nurtured relationship with Christ. 359 00:16:08,430 --> 00:16:10,790 And how it's experiencing that here. 360 00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:11,710 And that's awesome. 361 00:16:11,710 --> 00:16:16,350 Patty will turn to you similar question, but tell me about what 362 00:16:17,150 --> 00:16:21,470 the nuances meaning what is it about the relationships here that 363 00:16:21,550 --> 00:16:25,430 keep you being a part of things beyond your relationship with 364 00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:28,030 your son and your daughter who are here? 365 00:16:28,030 --> 00:16:30,190 I know what keeps you here. 366 00:16:30,190 --> 00:16:33,470 What is part of the ongoing process of you being fed? 367 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:40,520 It's a little. 368 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,840 This church is a little different than growing up. 369 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,320 And so the things I. 370 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:56,440 I learned has spread my knowledge of the traditional church 371 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:03,530 helped me learn to reach out to people more, take it, try to make 372 00:17:03,530 --> 00:17:07,890 a difference in little things and to live the life Christ wants 373 00:17:07,890 --> 00:17:08,370 me to. 374 00:17:08,850 --> 00:17:09,490 Awesome. 375 00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:10,210 Awesome. 376 00:17:11,090 --> 00:17:11,690 Well, of course. 377 00:17:11,690 --> 00:17:13,890 And then we talked a little bit about how you came up in a very 378 00:17:13,890 --> 00:17:16,690 traditional churches and tell me a little bit about how you know 379 00:17:16,850 --> 00:17:20,610 the nature of worship, the nature of church done in those small 380 00:17:20,610 --> 00:17:21,730 groups and things like that. 381 00:17:23,810 --> 00:17:25,330 How did you navigate that? 382 00:17:25,410 --> 00:17:26,490 Ron, I'll start with you. 383 00:17:26,490 --> 00:17:27,810 How did you kind of navigate that? 384 00:17:28,370 --> 00:17:30,450 It is a little bit different than a traditional church. 385 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:34,730 How would you do church here and how do you understand it as being 386 00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:36,330 a meaningful part of your experience? 387 00:17:41,050 --> 00:17:48,250 I think we that attend here get to think and we're nurtured in 388 00:17:48,810 --> 00:17:51,530 what Christ really wants us to be. 389 00:17:54,010 --> 00:17:55,210 This might be a. 390 00:17:56,740 --> 00:17:58,020 A negative to some people. 391 00:17:58,340 --> 00:18:04,780 When I make a statement that it's not just about salvation, it's 392 00:18:04,780 --> 00:18:07,620 about what can I do for Christ. 393 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:13,700 One of my prayers often is lord, do to me what you must to do 394 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:17,860 through me what you will and how we can be involved with people 395 00:18:18,340 --> 00:18:21,620 concerned about people concerned about people in the community. 396 00:18:24,860 --> 00:18:29,540 Another phrase might be lord, help me to be a window through his 397 00:18:29,540 --> 00:18:30,460 someone sees Christ. 398 00:18:30,540 --> 00:18:31,020 Yeah. 399 00:18:31,020 --> 00:18:31,500 Awesome. 400 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:34,540 I think that's what our church exhibits and teaches. 401 00:18:35,740 --> 00:18:38,420 One of the things you kind of touched on there, Ron, and you and 402 00:18:38,420 --> 00:18:40,660 Patty, I just, I want you to get your comments about this. 403 00:18:40,660 --> 00:18:44,820 Is that how there's kind of an application process of the gospel 404 00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:46,380 to real life things. 405 00:18:46,380 --> 00:18:49,070 And that's the name of the church is Heaven Earth Church. 406 00:18:49,070 --> 00:18:49,670 Indeed. 407 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:54,790 One of the things that Jesus said is Jesus spoke as if heaven 408 00:18:54,790 --> 00:18:56,870 can start to fill our lives now. 409 00:18:57,590 --> 00:19:01,390 And have you experienced this kind of this connection, this intersection, 410 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:04,990 if you will, of heaven and earth, you know, actual, you know, 411 00:19:04,990 --> 00:19:08,470 based on the name there, the intersection of where life meets 412 00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:09,350 spirituality. 413 00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:11,750 So Patty, you want to speak to that at all? 414 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:13,350 Do you think you see that happen around here? 415 00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:13,990 Oh, yes. 416 00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:18,080 I always thought heaven's way up there, you know, when growing 417 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,120 up and all the years. 418 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:25,920 And then I've learned here that a lot more about what heaven 419 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,360 really is and how it's coming to us. 420 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,680 So I learned from that. 421 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,840 I didn't know that before here. 422 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,000 Ron, do you see the intersection of heaven and earth, 423 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,840 you know, in kind of reality is how we experience it here at heaven 424 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:40,360 or church? 425 00:19:41,420 --> 00:19:42,140 I think so. 426 00:19:42,460 --> 00:19:46,700 It's a, it's what can we be? 427 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:56,579 What is my involvement with Christ that helps bring Christ to 428 00:19:56,579 --> 00:19:57,100 all of us? 429 00:19:57,260 --> 00:19:57,740 Yeah. 430 00:19:57,900 --> 00:19:58,540 Awesome. 431 00:19:59,420 --> 00:20:02,700 Well, one of the, one of the church core beliefs says that Jesus 432 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:05,340 core teachings are simple about love, but they are not easy. 433 00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:09,070 And I think getting to know you a little bit, I think you embody 434 00:20:09,070 --> 00:20:09,870 that in a lot of ways. 435 00:20:09,870 --> 00:20:14,150 And what are some ways that loving others and even through a 436 00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:17,190 chin setting like heaven or church is simple but not easy? 437 00:20:17,910 --> 00:20:23,550 Well, I think today, today's sermon at church was a discussion 438 00:20:23,550 --> 00:20:25,750 of other people. 439 00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:33,840 And we need to learn all peoples aren't just like me. 440 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,280 They're not supposed to be. 441 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,160 If a person is raised in many foreign countries, in our neighborhood, 442 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:49,760 there's a few people from Nigeria met another gentleman from 443 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,360 Dominican Republic. 444 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:01,780 Doesn't matter if they're of darker skin or lighter skin or whatever. 445 00:21:02,820 --> 00:21:08,060 It matters what their relationship is with Christ and what 446 00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:10,660 their relationship is through fellow man. 447 00:21:11,540 --> 00:21:12,660 Well, let's go on there for a second. 448 00:21:12,660 --> 00:21:14,700 You mentioned people of different backgrounds. 449 00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:19,020 Do you think, do you see one of the values the church lifts up 450 00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:19,860 as diversity? 451 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:22,900 And we have some of that, maybe not just some, but do, but 452 00:21:23,390 --> 00:21:26,990 do you think people with different thoughts or about different 453 00:21:27,070 --> 00:21:31,750 ways of approaching life or lifestyle, you think there's room 454 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:33,350 for them here at Heaven Earth Church? 455 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:37,710 And how are that, how's that, how's this diversity being experienced 456 00:21:37,790 --> 00:21:38,270 right now? 457 00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:39,390 Do you see that happening? 458 00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:40,590 Absolutely. 459 00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:45,870 A retired pastor that Attends our church. 460 00:21:46,270 --> 00:21:47,590 Made a statement to me one day. 461 00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:52,760 He said, After 30 some years in the ministry, I look at this congregation 462 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:58,960 and I will see somebody that's not wealthy, that's struggling, that's 463 00:21:58,960 --> 00:21:59,560 making it. 464 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:07,640 I'll see another person that is a retired pastor or physician 465 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:15,850 or an attorney, and I'll see a full mix, be that economically, a 466 00:22:15,850 --> 00:22:18,290 diversity in backgrounds. 467 00:22:18,690 --> 00:22:20,690 And they all seem to come here and be fed. 468 00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:21,410 Yeah. 469 00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:25,290 Well, Patty, one of the things we say around here, it's the fact 470 00:22:25,290 --> 00:22:27,970 that even on the church website, if you don't fit in church, 471 00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:30,770 you'll fit in here, kind of. 472 00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:33,410 And sometimes people say this is a church for misfits, perhaps, 473 00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:34,970 but I don't know. 474 00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:35,490 What do you think? 475 00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:37,810 Do you think there's a truth in that statement? 476 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:39,960 And if so, how do you see that being lived up? 477 00:22:40,590 --> 00:22:43,870 Yes, I believe it's so because. 478 00:22:48,510 --> 00:22:48,910 They'Re. 479 00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:53,830 Accepted here and that helps them to grow and they don't have 480 00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:57,470 to be this or that, like Ron said, but they have. 481 00:22:57,790 --> 00:23:03,950 They can grow here and they're accepted here and they're learning 482 00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:07,880 the sifu ways to be what Christ wants them to be. 483 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,160 That's awesome. 484 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,200 Other part of the church life here and even was on banners around 485 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,280 the church and so on and on. 486 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,160 The church mission statement says something to the effect of we 487 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,600 exist to make a lasting impact in our community. 488 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,120 And so let's talk about how that's lived out. 489 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,560 What does that look like to you from your eye? 490 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,920 Is there any effectiveness? 491 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,720 Is it a true statement? 492 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,440 Is it just a fluff statement we make to put on a banner somewhere? 493 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,400 This church looks to make a lasting impact in our community. 494 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,920 Rod, can you speak to that for a second? 495 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,520 Yes. 496 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,400 We had a picnic this week to invite other people in the community 497 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,120 to get to know them, to know that they're welcome here. 498 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:58,320 People come here and drink a cup of coffee, eat a donut, listen 499 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:04,380 to a message that fills their soul, and some others will be online 500 00:24:04,620 --> 00:24:07,020 listening if they live farther away. 501 00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:16,380 I think it teaches us to have a real concern for our fellow man, 502 00:24:16,380 --> 00:24:22,980 you know, with our housing, our living conditions and recovery. 503 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:27,840 Church help people that's got a situation that they need help with. 504 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,400 Yeah. 505 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:34,800 So the church is involved not only with the care of those who come, 506 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,680 but also connecting the community with different programs 507 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,360 and entities and social service agencies that the church 508 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,400 supports, even houses in the location here. 509 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,800 And that's a part, I believe, the fulfillment of that mission statement. 510 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,120 But ultimately, you know, a church community is about how people 511 00:24:54,340 --> 00:24:55,940 experience God and share the good news. 512 00:24:56,260 --> 00:24:56,860 With others. 513 00:24:56,860 --> 00:24:57,620 And that's all. 514 00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:00,060 All wrapped up in this thing we have here. 515 00:25:00,060 --> 00:25:02,580 So, Patty, I just like to ask you, in the. 516 00:25:02,580 --> 00:25:04,820 Your experience here at Heaven Earth Church, have you had what we 517 00:25:04,820 --> 00:25:09,299 might call a God moment or a moment when you just got, okay, there's 518 00:25:09,299 --> 00:25:10,260 something special here. 519 00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:11,060 There's some. 520 00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:13,300 Some God thing going on here. 521 00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:16,940 Was there a moment or some experience that was kind of like 522 00:25:16,940 --> 00:25:17,780 that for you? 523 00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:25,430 I felt it from the first time I was here. 524 00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:26,430 I mean, it just. 525 00:25:27,550 --> 00:25:28,990 I can't explain it. 526 00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:34,430 It's like heaven, Earth, Heaven coming to earth. 527 00:25:35,550 --> 00:25:37,150 That was the first moment I. 528 00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:42,630 I really realized how that worked, Evan, you know, so it's just 529 00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:48,000 from that first day coming, I've just never been filled as much 530 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,000 as I do here. 531 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,440 This church. 532 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,240 Awesome. 533 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:51,880 Awesome. 534 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,600 We're on a similar vein, but just a little more personal. 535 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,120 Have you had around your experience here at Heaven Earth Church 536 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:58,920 what I might call a lump in the throat moment? 537 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,000 A moment that's kind of just caught you off guard, where you might 538 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,240 have kind of a visceral reaction or emotional moment that 539 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,800 you saw, you know, God's doing something here that is absolutely 540 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,650 moving to me personally and then might be moving to others? 541 00:26:15,170 --> 00:26:18,130 I think watching some people. 542 00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:26,090 Pardon me, some people that have come here, I can think of two 543 00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:31,570 that had addictions that are now counselors in communities with 544 00:26:31,570 --> 00:26:36,050 a job to help people or to see. 545 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,240 I've seen one young family that I've known for a long time. 546 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,200 I think they have three little girls and a son, and to watch them 547 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,440 in their warmth as they attend here and their faith is fed. 548 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,400 Yeah. 549 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,760 And, you know, I'm an emotional man, indeed. 550 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,480 My son upon one occasion even said, he's the only guy I know. 551 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,520 They can listen to insurance commercial and get there. 552 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,240 I do feel emotional about the people, and I'm one of the older 553 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:22,240 people that attends here, and I'll see a full range of, you know, 554 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,400 my grandchildren up through and including a couple guys about 555 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,560 my age, and everybody's fed everybody. 556 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,080 I feel the emotion of it. 557 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,640 Awesome. 558 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:38,280 Awesome. 559 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,440 It's just gross. 560 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,160 Well, that's exactly what we're looking for. 561 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,480 Your. 562 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,440 Your reaction? 563 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:45,920 Well, this is the. 564 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,280 This is the type of thing that other people may be looking at to 565 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,480 kind of check out Heaven Earth Church to see if this is the kind 566 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,040 of place for them. 567 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,480 And a lot of times folks are. 568 00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:57,170 Have their own challenges. 569 00:27:57,330 --> 00:28:01,090 You know, we've talked about some of them here about, you know, 570 00:28:01,090 --> 00:28:05,410 dealing with substance abuse and housing needs, any number of 571 00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:06,850 things that people have real life needs. 572 00:28:07,890 --> 00:28:14,850 But what would you say to that person or persons who may be struggling 573 00:28:15,170 --> 00:28:20,010 and looking for a church or somebody or something to be helpful 574 00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:20,610 to them. 575 00:28:21,010 --> 00:28:24,170 And so what would you say to a person who may be checking out Heaven 576 00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:24,930 Earth Church? 577 00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:27,490 Start with, start with you, Patty. 578 00:28:27,490 --> 00:28:28,490 What would you say to that person? 579 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:36,890 It's always. 580 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:41,770 You always say to the person you're talking to, you try to relate 581 00:28:41,770 --> 00:28:42,170 to them. 582 00:28:42,170 --> 00:28:50,650 But mainly that it's a place to relax, to listen, to grow and 583 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,840 be yourself. 584 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,560 Relax, listen, grow and be yourself. 585 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,000 How awesome is that? 586 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,000 Because so many times in church, going to church for the first 587 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,600 time for many people is pretty scary. 588 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,960 They're not relaxed, they're tensed. 589 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,320 You know, they are on their guard because they've had unhappy 590 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,000 experiences. 591 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,720 But you're sharing to the person who maybe listen to this, 592 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,520 relax, listen, grow, be yourself. 593 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,680 That's awesome. 594 00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:20,190 Ron, let's say there's somebody in your life, maybe a neighbor 595 00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:23,390 or maybe somebody you've known in your life who's struggling or 596 00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:25,230 dealing with something. 597 00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:29,550 And would you be willing to invite them to Heaven Earth Church? 598 00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:32,030 And if so, kind of a similar question to this. 599 00:29:32,670 --> 00:29:33,590 Why would you do that? 600 00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:36,750 And what would be your encouragement to them? 601 00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:41,470 I absolutely agree with what Patty said. 602 00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:43,990 You know, you're comfortable here. 603 00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:49,030 I would say to them, come and see what it feels like to be welcome, 604 00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:54,230 sit down, have a cup of coffee, a donut, listen to a message, 605 00:29:54,790 --> 00:29:56,390 see if it feeds your soul. 606 00:29:57,430 --> 00:30:01,750 Don't do it just once, come three or four times and see that 607 00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:02,710 it continues. 608 00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:07,510 See that you're comfortable here, see that people really care 609 00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:09,310 about you, that. 610 00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:13,350 They'Re. 611 00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:16,990 Concerned with your relationship with God. 612 00:30:17,150 --> 00:30:17,630 Yeah. 613 00:30:19,230 --> 00:30:21,230 Well, I just love what I hear here. 614 00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:26,430 Come and see, relax, listen, learn. 615 00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:30,270 And just for people to come and literally check it out. 616 00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:30,470 Right. 617 00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:34,510 You know, I mean literally to not to be, not feel overwhelmed or 618 00:30:34,510 --> 00:30:37,290 this kind of thing, but to have an opportunity to kind of at 619 00:30:37,290 --> 00:30:40,890 their own pace, as it were, to see what God can do. 620 00:30:41,050 --> 00:30:41,850 Come and see. 621 00:30:42,010 --> 00:30:42,730 I love that. 622 00:30:43,290 --> 00:30:46,570 Well, our guest today on Heaven Earth Church podcast with 623 00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:49,130 two, two really incredible people. 624 00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:52,810 Ron and Patty Stackhouse have been our guests and we thank you 625 00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:53,370 for being with us. 626 00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:55,770 My name is Brad Miller, the co host of this podcast. 627 00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:58,290 And we hope that you'll check out Heaven Earth Church. 628 00:30:58,290 --> 00:31:01,930 You can always check it out at the website Heaven Earth Church. 629 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:06,020 We want to thank you for spending time with us today. 630 00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:09,540 My name is Ross Stackhouse, the pastor to Heaven Earth Church. 631 00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:13,180 And you may think out there that your story is over, but in fact 632 00:31:13,180 --> 00:31:16,340 your faith story may just be beginning. 633 00:31:16,580 --> 00:31:19,420 If you want more information about our church or you're interested 634 00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:23,460 in the next step, you can go to heavenearthchurch.org Otherwise, 635 00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:26,700 we look forward to being with you next time at the Heaven Earth 636 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:27,620 Church podcast. 637 00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:28,030 It.