1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:08,400 Unknown: Hi, I'm Paige Killian, and I'm passionate about helping 2 00:00:08,430 --> 00:00:12,690 busy moms of littles organize and style their life in three 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,370 simple steps. Living this mom life is incredible, and 4 00:00:17,370 --> 00:00:21,660 sometimes completely overwhelming. is stressing about 5 00:00:21,660 --> 00:00:26,190 overstuffed drawers never ending mail piles, a mountain of Legos 6 00:00:26,220 --> 00:00:31,050 and our kids artwork really what God intended. No way. Getting 7 00:00:31,050 --> 00:00:34,620 organized has been a game changer for me, and also my 8 00:00:34,620 --> 00:00:38,790 clients. But it has to be simple, or it just won't get 9 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:43,050 done. So let's simplify the process and clear the clutter to 10 00:00:43,050 --> 00:00:46,320 see the blessings God has for us. I know your time is 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,340 valuable. So thanks for joining me each week for a healthy dose 12 00:00:50,340 --> 00:00:55,680 of organization and a whole lot of motivation. Hello, hello. 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,920 Welcome back to the moms organization motivation Podcast. 14 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,870 I'm so excited to be joined today by a wonderful, I'm gonna 15 00:01:03,870 --> 00:01:09,000 say friend, you guys, here's the truth. We just met but we hit it 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,540 off instantly. Gotta love some zoom. And I want to share a 17 00:01:12,540 --> 00:01:14,670 little bit about her really, really quickly. But first I want 18 00:01:14,670 --> 00:01:19,080 to say hi Camille, thanks for the how are you? I'm so good. 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,720 And I really so appreciate you being here because we were 20 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,980 talking about how this crazy California weather has just been 21 00:01:25,980 --> 00:01:29,190 making a lot of us feel under the weather. So I told her it 22 00:01:29,190 --> 00:01:32,340 was cold, but I'm pushing through. She says she's a tiny 23 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:35,430 cold. She looks and sounds fabulous to me. But I told her 24 00:01:35,430 --> 00:01:38,550 that if she needs to take sips of hot tea and you know have a 25 00:01:38,550 --> 00:01:41,040 cough attack, then that's okay. That's what great editors are 26 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,490 for as well. So, but we all feel for you Camille, I hope you feel 27 00:01:44,490 --> 00:01:47,250 better very soon. Thank you again for being here. Let me 28 00:01:47,250 --> 00:01:50,700 tell the people, the amazing listeners today who I know we're 29 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:53,430 going to totally resonate with the things that you're doing in 30 00:01:53,430 --> 00:01:56,400 your business. Let me tell them a little bit about you. So 31 00:01:56,430 --> 00:02:00,900 Camille finden is an author podcast host and CEO of kitchen 32 00:02:00,930 --> 00:02:05,550 remodel Rockstar and host of the ugly kitchen challenge over her 33 00:02:05,550 --> 00:02:10,290 35 year span as a carpenter, she has helped over 10,000 women 34 00:02:10,290 --> 00:02:14,130 create their kitchen design dreams and have to tell you 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,670 about this podcast I just heard she has a few podcasts. On the 36 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:21,120 kitchen sink podcast, Camille shares inspiring stories around 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,570 kitchen design, planning and how to bring back the heart of the 38 00:02:24,570 --> 00:02:29,520 home for regular families that are left out of the expensive HG 39 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:34,170 TV experience. I have to say, I kind of want to go there first, 40 00:02:34,170 --> 00:02:40,800 because I am a lover of HGTV. And I really have this 5050 41 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,980 feeling when I watch it because I get super inspired. And then 42 00:02:43,980 --> 00:02:47,430 also I feel like dang, if I don't have a gajillion dollars, 43 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:51,810 I don't know if I could do that. So can we start there? How do 44 00:02:51,810 --> 00:02:54,990 you feel about those people who were like, I really want to do 45 00:02:54,990 --> 00:02:57,540 this to my kitchen, but I don't know if I can afford it. And I 46 00:02:57,540 --> 00:03:02,280 see all these great things on TV. How do I do that? Yeah. So I 47 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,030 mean, I love a great, you know, before and after on an HGTV show 48 00:03:06,030 --> 00:03:10,470 as well. Of course, they're inspirational. But my I guess my 49 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:14,580 my, you know, against the industry position is that 50 00:03:14,580 --> 00:03:17,490 unfortunately, most of my clients are using those as their 51 00:03:17,670 --> 00:03:21,720 kind of starting point, they watch those shows, they hear the 52 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,990 prices, and they think, Oh, I can do that. And unfortunately, 53 00:03:24,990 --> 00:03:27,630 it's so much of it is really misleading. Like a lot of the 54 00:03:27,630 --> 00:03:32,160 kitchens that you're looking at are 200,000 300,000 $400,000. 55 00:03:32,460 --> 00:03:36,450 And they're they're saying it cost $50,000 $60,000 It's just 56 00:03:36,450 --> 00:03:39,870 very, there's a lot of deceit that goes on in the industry. 57 00:03:39,900 --> 00:03:43,770 And I know a lot of people that work at those shows, and all the 58 00:03:43,770 --> 00:03:47,640 materials are donated, the appliances are donated. So when 59 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,720 they're sharing those numbers, they're often extremely well, 60 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,600 they're just not, they're not real at all. So a woman will 61 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,000 come to me with a picture on Instagram or something she 62 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,720 snapped off of Chris loves Julia. And I'm like, Honey, that 63 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,380 kitchen is $600,000 I can just tell right now, what the 64 00:04:04,380 --> 00:04:09,300 cabinets are, are like 250 and you have $40,000 So then it just 65 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:13,680 leads to this big, you know, like, loss of, they're just 66 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,440 really disappointed that the things they want are like so 67 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:20,850 like, really, really expensive. So that's my thing against HGTV. 68 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,650 Well, you know, I I wondered about that. It's interesting to 69 00:04:25,650 --> 00:04:28,770 hear you really spell it out. And I hope that if people are 70 00:04:28,770 --> 00:04:32,310 listening today, and that wasn't something they knew before that 71 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:35,670 that almost brings them comfort, because if they do get into it 72 00:04:35,670 --> 00:04:39,480 and feel like what is going on? Why is this happening to me? It 73 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,120 doesn't happen like that on TV that you're comforted because 74 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:46,290 this is actually real life. Yeah. And so what I do in my 75 00:04:46,350 --> 00:04:48,540 like in my program, the first thing I do is look at their 76 00:04:48,540 --> 00:04:51,600 picture and give them an actual assessment of what that actually 77 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,070 is. And then we say okay, what's your budget? 50 60,000 25,000 78 00:04:56,070 --> 00:04:58,200 Whatever, and I go, Okay, here's what we're going to how we're 79 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,970 going to use that to make it look like that. 80 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,930 but you're not going to have a college $15,000 oven, you're not 81 00:05:03,930 --> 00:05:07,770 going to have an $8,000 hood. You're not gonna, you know, 82 00:05:07,770 --> 00:05:11,190 like, we're gonna make it look like that picture. But it's not, 83 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,820 you don't have the budget for the actual items. Okay, so why 84 00:05:14,820 --> 00:05:17,940 don't you try to figure out how to do that. I love Did you hear 85 00:05:17,940 --> 00:05:20,580 me say I feel like it's like a kitchen do like you see all 86 00:05:20,580 --> 00:05:24,300 these influencers hop on and say, oh for this, you know the 87 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:28,620 designer here's, you know that very similar vibe without 88 00:05:28,620 --> 00:05:32,220 breaking the bank and I am all for a budget, especially as a 89 00:05:32,220 --> 00:05:35,850 professional organizer. When I go into I was sharing with you I 90 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:40,560 typically am talking with busy moms of littles, and they need 91 00:05:40,590 --> 00:05:44,580 some relief immediately from wherever it is. We were kind of 92 00:05:44,580 --> 00:05:47,790 joking. We wish you guys could have heard we joked that we 93 00:05:47,790 --> 00:05:50,220 needed a podcast episode for the podcast episode, because we were 94 00:05:50,220 --> 00:05:52,740 talking about all the behind the scenes stuff about, you know, in 95 00:05:52,740 --> 00:05:55,650 our business isn't just the reality of we want to help our 96 00:05:55,650 --> 00:05:59,640 clients, but we also have this very realistic conversation with 97 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,420 them going in and seeing what is it that we could do right now 98 00:06:03,420 --> 00:06:06,810 that's going to add style or value to your home? That is not 99 00:06:06,810 --> 00:06:11,820 going to have you regretting hiring me? Because I don't want 100 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:14,790 to go down that path and feel like oh my gosh, it's a 101 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:19,470 gajillion dollars later. And I'm still not quite where I wanted 102 00:06:19,470 --> 00:06:24,000 to be. You talk about that first photo that you look at? Is that 103 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,580 a good place to start? If there's something that you 104 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,510 really want? Do you think it's a good idea to look at places to 105 00:06:30,510 --> 00:06:34,530 get that inspiration? First? Is that where we start? Well, so my 106 00:06:34,530 --> 00:06:37,470 process, I think, I think you mentioned that I always say 107 00:06:37,470 --> 00:06:41,100 never pick your colors first. And so that references is kind 108 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:43,860 of like this basically don't think about the outside. First 109 00:06:43,860 --> 00:06:47,820 is my is what's different about me, as a cabinet maker for all 110 00:06:47,820 --> 00:06:50,160 this years, like I used to do that I used to pick all the 111 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,130 colors used to pick all the outside stuff. And then I 112 00:06:53,130 --> 00:06:55,710 realized that watching my clients do that over and over 113 00:06:55,710 --> 00:06:57,750 again, and actually didn't solve any of the functionality 114 00:06:57,750 --> 00:07:01,020 problems. So I kind of over a period of years developed this 115 00:07:01,020 --> 00:07:04,650 process called vfio, which is designed from the inside out. So 116 00:07:04,650 --> 00:07:06,990 we actually start with the problem solving, we look at the 117 00:07:06,990 --> 00:07:11,310 existing space, we look at the actual real problems, we list 118 00:07:11,310 --> 00:07:13,800 them, we look at all of your stuff, we do an assessment to 119 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,150 see how much volume of stuff you have how you use it. And then we 120 00:07:18,210 --> 00:07:22,140 create a cabinet plan for the functionality first, then we go 121 00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:25,050 and pick colors, then we go and look at the inspiration for the 122 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,380 outside parts. So what I do is really from like the inside out. 123 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:32,100 So as far as like, yes, you can get some inspirational pictures, 124 00:07:32,370 --> 00:07:35,970 I generally limit most of my ladies to 10. Because in 10, I 125 00:07:35,970 --> 00:07:40,290 can encapture you can show me what the overall basic look is 126 00:07:40,290 --> 00:07:44,520 you're looking for color texture, mot how modern it is or 127 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,300 not more than that, honestly, it just becomes more difficult for 128 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:51,330 you to make a decision. So I don't generally have them keep 129 00:07:51,330 --> 00:07:54,240 looking for pictures. I generally have them go to like 130 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,330 the first 10 they're drawn to, and then explain what they like 131 00:07:57,330 --> 00:08:00,000 out of it. And I can generally piece it together from there. 132 00:08:00,180 --> 00:08:03,870 That makes not better in this industry. Oh, say that, again, I 133 00:08:03,870 --> 00:08:06,750 stepped on always find more stuff that you love. And you'll 134 00:08:06,780 --> 00:08:09,780 get it'll just continue to make you dissatisfied with the 135 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:13,740 choices you've already made. Yes, okay. Hotline moment more 136 00:08:13,740 --> 00:08:17,250 is not better. It's so drivers talked about less is more. And I 137 00:08:17,250 --> 00:08:21,120 really like this concept of designing from the inside out. 138 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,180 And you and I both know, especially again, as a 139 00:08:24,180 --> 00:08:26,550 professional organizer, and working with busy moms of 140 00:08:26,550 --> 00:08:29,310 littles, you need to make sure what's happening behind those 141 00:08:29,310 --> 00:08:33,150 cabinets is working for. So I really, really like this concept 142 00:08:33,150 --> 00:08:36,240 of designing from the inside out, I often will talk to my 143 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,720 clients about the outcomes they want to see. Because if your 144 00:08:39,750 --> 00:08:44,100 kitchen for example, same thing, if I'm helping them work on 145 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:49,080 their closet space, or their kids play room, even these 146 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,710 things need to be working with this style of the people who are 147 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:57,810 living in it. If you are not a person who absolutely loves to 148 00:08:57,810 --> 00:09:00,030 cook and needs to have a whole bunch of shelves and needs to 149 00:09:00,030 --> 00:09:02,970 have space for every spice known to man and all that kind of 150 00:09:02,970 --> 00:09:06,900 stuff. You don't need to focus so much on all of those things. 151 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:10,080 But if that is important to you, like I would imagine you come 152 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,740 across a lot of people who really do you enjoy cooking, and 153 00:09:13,740 --> 00:09:16,110 they don't want to be in their kitchen. They want to be cooking 154 00:09:16,110 --> 00:09:19,590 in somebody else's kitchen, because theirs isn't functional. 155 00:09:19,650 --> 00:09:23,850 So you definitely start with the function over the form. Yes, 156 00:09:24,060 --> 00:09:26,220 yeah, that's the first thing we start with because that's the 157 00:09:26,220 --> 00:09:29,670 thing you use every day. It's not the colors beautiful. I 158 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:31,860 mean, I have a white kitchen, you have a white kitchen. I love 159 00:09:31,860 --> 00:09:34,980 it. Every time I walk in, I look at her. I'm like girl, I love 160 00:09:34,980 --> 00:09:38,370 you. You're so cute. You make me so happy. But the reality is 161 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:41,580 what actually makes me happy because I cook every day is that 162 00:09:41,610 --> 00:09:44,190 all of my stuff is exactly where I needed to be in the right 163 00:09:44,190 --> 00:09:47,280 shape. It's accessible, it's visible. It makes it 164 00:09:47,310 --> 00:09:51,270 effortlessly and fun for me to cook every day. And that is the 165 00:09:51,270 --> 00:09:54,150 function that's not the color of the front of the door front or 166 00:09:54,150 --> 00:09:58,260 the handle. Well a large handle helps but that's the part that 167 00:09:58,260 --> 00:10:00,000 makes it feel luxurious is how 168 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,940 Functional it is how easy it is to do the thing you want to do 169 00:10:02,940 --> 00:10:05,940 whether you're a baker, whether you like making huge stews and 170 00:10:05,940 --> 00:10:09,090 pots, whether you are, you know, love your airfryer like whatever 171 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:11,670 that thing is that you do, however to make that work for 172 00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:15,930 you is what makes the kitchen feel luxurious. Yes. I love 173 00:10:15,930 --> 00:10:18,630 that. And you're right, a good a good handle that contributes to 174 00:10:18,630 --> 00:10:21,510 functionality, right? We didn't do that most people do too small 175 00:10:21,510 --> 00:10:25,890 of handles on their kitchens. Oh, okay. You know what, let's 176 00:10:25,890 --> 00:10:29,640 move into this section of give us give us your tips tell us 177 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,330 things we should consider and things we should maybe stay away 178 00:10:33,330 --> 00:10:36,660 from. That's just not necessary. Oh, that's a fun one. Okay, I'll 179 00:10:36,660 --> 00:10:39,660 talk about my two biggest pet peeves first. Okay, which are 180 00:10:39,660 --> 00:10:43,020 lazy Susans Lazy Susans do not work. They've never worked. 181 00:10:43,050 --> 00:10:46,830 They've never worked for 50 years. If you have a lazy Susan, 182 00:10:46,830 --> 00:10:48,870 and you're using it, it's just because the rest of the kitchen 183 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:51,870 is not designed well, it should be the absolute last space you 184 00:10:51,870 --> 00:10:56,130 ever think to do. I usually say like the corner just holds up 185 00:10:56,130 --> 00:10:59,730 the countertop. That's its whole purpose. If you're using your 186 00:10:59,730 --> 00:11:02,460 lazy Susan, it means you're not using other parts of the kitchen 187 00:11:02,460 --> 00:11:06,300 well. And then the other thing would be what's another one, um, 188 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:09,270 spices and your upper cabinets. That's another big pet peeve of 189 00:11:09,270 --> 00:11:13,290 mine. We make spice inserts that were really easily and inside of 190 00:11:13,290 --> 00:11:17,220 a drawer that you could see the labels. Spice pull outs don't 191 00:11:17,220 --> 00:11:20,160 work very well. Same reason you can't see the labels. They're 192 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,660 down low. And pull outs behind doors are my biggest pet peeves 193 00:11:24,660 --> 00:11:27,330 because they don't work again, because a drawer does a better 194 00:11:27,330 --> 00:11:31,650 job of that. So that's all I don't like. I have to say my 195 00:11:31,650 --> 00:11:36,000 mind just blew wide open. Because I have a love affair 196 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,400 with Lazy Susans. First of all, I feel like they get a bad rap. 197 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,040 Because I've never met a lazy susan in my life. All the 198 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,180 Susan's I know, are the opposite of lazy. So I figured that's not 199 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:50,850 nice. I do love. So I do a lot of organizations for pantries. 200 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:53,820 And it's really funny that you just said that about a corner 201 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:57,840 holds up a house because that is especially in a corner and a 202 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,350 pantry. One of my go twos because I feel like things can 203 00:12:01,350 --> 00:12:05,520 get lost. And so I so just imagined in my mind that you 204 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,880 would talk about and even in my kitchen, which I can't take any 205 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,960 credit for the design. But there are two areas where there are 206 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:19,050 really deep cabinets. And I have a couple of them that have been 207 00:12:19,050 --> 00:12:22,350 built to where you can pull the appliance around to the front to 208 00:12:22,350 --> 00:12:26,130 get to it. And it's very helpful for me. So could you please 209 00:12:26,130 --> 00:12:30,720 explain as my mind has been blown, explain why you are not a 210 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,990 fan of the lazy season like to be able to get to an appliance 211 00:12:33,990 --> 00:12:37,950 easier, because they're still low and dark, and they have a 212 00:12:37,950 --> 00:12:40,560 very narrow opening. And those pull outs are incredibly 213 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:43,050 expensive. And they typically don't work if yours has been 214 00:12:43,050 --> 00:12:45,900 working. That's great, but also means you're probably not using 215 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:50,130 it very much. But they get out of square, they fall off. They 216 00:12:50,130 --> 00:12:53,100 just they're just like one of those sorts of fancy things that 217 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:56,250 designers sell to people that look they do look great in 218 00:12:56,250 --> 00:13:00,000 theory, like it should work, but they just don't work overtime if 219 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,720 you cook a lot versus and the other reason is that if you have 220 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,690 a lazy Susan, the way the cabinets built, you have to pull 221 00:13:06,690 --> 00:13:10,260 back the cabinets on both sides to actually have room to have 222 00:13:10,260 --> 00:13:13,500 that opening. Versus if you had your cabinets go all the way to 223 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:16,830 the corner, you would have more space with the cabinets left and 224 00:13:16,830 --> 00:13:21,120 right. And those are truly the full depth, height and front to 225 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,020 back. Where's the Lazy Susan no matter how how how much you 226 00:13:25,020 --> 00:13:28,110 think you're using it. There's a ton of wasted space inside of 227 00:13:28,110 --> 00:13:31,470 there. And it's down, it's dark, you're on your knees, you're 228 00:13:31,470 --> 00:13:34,050 pulling it out carefully, you're banging the back of the door, 229 00:13:34,050 --> 00:13:37,380 you're banging the sides of the cabinets, like they're just like 230 00:13:37,380 --> 00:13:40,770 a poor solution to actually finding a place for that 231 00:13:40,770 --> 00:13:43,740 appliance in a better spot. And I'd have to actually like a 232 00:13:43,740 --> 00:13:47,010 schematic like a drawing, you'd be like, Okay, now I understand. 233 00:13:47,070 --> 00:13:49,710 So you've made it work, but you're also very careful, neat 234 00:13:49,710 --> 00:13:53,370 person, you're a professional organizer. Most women are rough 235 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:56,400 on their kitchens, they yank stuff out, they lean on stuff 236 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,370 their kids step on those things. I can't tell you how many times 237 00:13:59,370 --> 00:14:02,190 I've ripped those things out within like two months. Okay, 238 00:14:02,220 --> 00:14:06,390 everything you just said makes complete sense to me and I will 239 00:14:06,390 --> 00:14:09,480 have a big kitchen where you have space to do that. A lot of 240 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,000 people if you don't, you cannot give up those two corner 241 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:12,660 cabinets. 242 00:14:15,090 --> 00:14:19,740 Hey there quick reminder that now there are four ways to get 243 00:14:19,740 --> 00:14:23,820 my book. If you head over to Amazon, you can search up I've 244 00:14:23,820 --> 00:14:27,240 got your girlfriend, why getting organized and living the small 245 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,590 life is not a solo mission. You can now get it on the Kindle 246 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:37,410 app, paperback hardcover, and the audio book is finally here. 247 00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:40,650 So if you've been enjoying this podcast episode, I have a 248 00:14:40,650 --> 00:14:44,640 feeling you might love the audiobook. Thanks so much for 249 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,370 making it a best seller and now back to the show. 250 00:14:51,330 --> 00:14:56,790 There so so right I do not cook a ton with those appliances 251 00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:59,970 because they are download. There is so much weight 252 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,290 Did space that's down in those cabinets. And I also feel like 253 00:15:04,290 --> 00:15:09,090 you're doing that dance of like, you know, that awkward cabinet 254 00:15:09,090 --> 00:15:11,670 corner cabinet where you pop open and you have to be really 255 00:15:11,670 --> 00:15:14,280 gentle. And you're like squeezing your booty cheeks 256 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,890 together as you're lifting it out, because you're down low and 257 00:15:16,890 --> 00:15:22,200 you're trying not to do you are so you've worked, you've made it 258 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,770 work for you. You've adjusted your body for it, but that's not 259 00:15:25,770 --> 00:15:29,250 what I call functionality. Okay, so here, so this is huge. So 260 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:32,280 this is why we have a professional kitchen, put her 261 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,220 together, that's your new official title for me on the 262 00:15:35,220 --> 00:15:39,180 show. And this is because what I do as a professional organizer 263 00:15:39,210 --> 00:15:43,950 is I go in and I make the existing space work. So I will 264 00:15:43,950 --> 00:15:47,400 make those awkward corners and things work to the best of our 265 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,960 ability. You're so right. But here's what you have just now 266 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,680 taught me and you're so totally right is that that wouldn't even 267 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,800 be there to begin with. If you were really truly utilizing the 268 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:04,470 other space in your kitchen better. So okay, then what do 269 00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:07,950 you like? What do you do to those corners? And what like, if 270 00:16:07,950 --> 00:16:11,490 you do rip that out? What do you do if people are like, okay, 271 00:16:11,490 --> 00:16:13,590 great. Well, I have that. And maybe it's not working the best 272 00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:16,230 though, what do I do to it, and then also tell us the things 273 00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:18,750 that you absolutely think we should have in our kitchen? 274 00:16:18,990 --> 00:16:22,200 Well, so I have basically seven types of things that should be 275 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,950 in every major kitchen modern kitchen. And the biggest 276 00:16:25,950 --> 00:16:29,190 solution to that is the correct size drawers, like actual drawer 277 00:16:29,190 --> 00:16:33,480 boxes, drawers, and the right hinges and the right slides. The 278 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,800 sizing, I kind of created my own sizing that I over many years of 279 00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:41,040 because I'm making the cabinets, I can change the height of the 280 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,890 drawer fronts and the drawer boxes. So I came up with like 281 00:16:43,890 --> 00:16:48,990 the optimal mix of heights that maximizes every drawer base. And 282 00:16:48,990 --> 00:16:53,490 so most kitchens need six as a minimum, but nine was optimal 283 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,570 nine of these drawers. And you can fit pretty much 90% of your 284 00:16:57,570 --> 00:17:01,980 whole kitchen. If you have nine drawer bases, six to nine, that 285 00:17:01,980 --> 00:17:05,070 are the correct sizes with a real Blum Soft Closing hinges 286 00:17:05,070 --> 00:17:08,940 that hold 100 slides. So under 50 pounds, you can put things in 287 00:17:08,940 --> 00:17:12,270 there that you would normally never put in there. crockpots 288 00:17:12,270 --> 00:17:17,190 air fryers, vitamin X's stacks of dinner plates, like all kinds 289 00:17:17,190 --> 00:17:19,890 of things. And because they're soft closing, they hold all the 290 00:17:19,890 --> 00:17:22,590 weight so they become like the workhorse of the kitchen. So 291 00:17:22,590 --> 00:17:25,080 you're never on your knees ever again. So that's like one of the 292 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,310 biggest transformations is that. But it's not just any drawers, 293 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:32,100 it's like the right kind of drawers will transform a 294 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:35,010 kitchen. Then you have that spice inserts, you take all your 295 00:17:35,010 --> 00:17:37,170 spices out of your upper cabinets, so they're used for 296 00:17:37,170 --> 00:17:40,680 the what they're supposed to be used for. And you have to see 297 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,290 their labels, so you need them on their backs not standing 298 00:17:43,290 --> 00:17:47,520 upright, a day use pantry, which is like my version of a of a 299 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,280 modern pantry. That's not the same as a walk in pantry, which 300 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,760 is different than maybe what you would organize by separate stuff 301 00:17:53,790 --> 00:17:57,450 that the family uses on a day to day basis chips, snacks, to the 302 00:17:57,450 --> 00:18:00,780 high frequency thing. So I created my own style of day use 303 00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:05,280 pantry. And that can fit within like an 18 to 20 to 24 inch 304 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,670 width wide, but it's full height. What's another favorite, 305 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:11,760 a simple cookie sheet cabinet with dividers in it so your 306 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,570 cookie sheets are not flat, they take a very skinny amount. Let's 307 00:18:15,570 --> 00:18:20,310 see, what's another one, I'm putting custom putting dividers 308 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:24,930 into shallow top drawers. So you have like your utensils you use 309 00:18:24,930 --> 00:18:28,470 a lot separated from the stuff you don't use very often. So 310 00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:31,230 most people's utensil drawers have like the barbecue thing 311 00:18:31,230 --> 00:18:35,700 from outside and 14 spatulas and 15 knives and they only use one 312 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:38,670 knife, right? Like we all use the same two to three things 313 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:42,480 over and over and over again. So my process is separating out the 314 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,320 stuff you rarely used organizing in a different location and 315 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,370 having the things you use close to you accessible because that's 316 00:18:50,370 --> 00:18:54,810 what you're washing every day, like multiple times. So and then 317 00:18:54,810 --> 00:18:57,780 I kind of do some fun stuff with like Tupperware for kids, right? 318 00:18:57,780 --> 00:19:01,440 So like, again, anybody with littles has multiple versions of 319 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,520 like 1000 sippy cups, and 1000 miniature bowls with the little 320 00:19:05,550 --> 00:19:08,820 silverware. And so those things tend to be mixed in with 321 00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:12,330 everybody else's stuff. So I kind of separate that and put in 322 00:19:12,330 --> 00:19:15,450 dividers that hold just that stuff. And that tends to really 323 00:19:15,450 --> 00:19:18,270 help like moms with littles because it's tough work can be 324 00:19:18,270 --> 00:19:23,490 like a real struggle. Oh, can it both things. One of the first 325 00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:27,270 things that I do when I go into a kitchen that feels overly 326 00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:30,030 cluttered is we talk about how many of these things are you 327 00:19:30,030 --> 00:19:32,700 actually using. So I really again, it goes back to that 328 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:36,270 functionality. Because here's the deal. This is the heart of 329 00:19:36,270 --> 00:19:39,870 the home, whether you are a major chef and you've been 330 00:19:39,870 --> 00:19:44,970 trained at a culinary school, or you are just trying to prep 331 00:19:44,970 --> 00:19:48,870 snacks and lunches for your kids. It needs to be functional. 332 00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:51,720 So I think immediately before you even have all the pretty 333 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,870 stuff on the outside, it sounds like you're feeling the same 334 00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:58,200 way. Let's put some things in behind the scenes that are 335 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,000 actually going to make this function for the faint 336 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,450 Only because you automatically just congregate there, there's 337 00:20:03,450 --> 00:20:06,360 something special about breaking bread together. So whether it's 338 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:09,780 your family and my kids love to do their homework on the 339 00:20:09,780 --> 00:20:13,890 countertop in the kitchen, as I'm yet at them, having 340 00:20:13,890 --> 00:20:16,770 conversations with them moving about the kitchen, because we 341 00:20:16,770 --> 00:20:20,790 all got to eat, even if I tapped into a local resource at the 342 00:20:20,790 --> 00:20:23,490 grocery, and they did the hard work for me, or you know, a 343 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:26,520 place down the street that we got food from, I am still 344 00:20:26,550 --> 00:20:29,850 assembling it in the kitchen and plating it. And all of those 345 00:20:29,850 --> 00:20:32,490 things really, really need to work well together. And it 346 00:20:32,550 --> 00:20:36,150 brings the family together, if you've got a decluttered space, 347 00:20:36,180 --> 00:20:40,560 that does not make you crazy, and it is functioning properly. 348 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:45,060 So I really appreciate you really spelling these things out 349 00:20:45,060 --> 00:20:49,710 about what you can focus on in the kitchen. So our time is 350 00:20:49,710 --> 00:20:51,930 running short, which makes me want to cry, because I have so 351 00:20:51,930 --> 00:20:53,130 many more questions. But 352 00:20:54,510 --> 00:20:58,920 please do please do automatic invite. But could you please 353 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,910 just share all your platforms so we can follow up with you? I did 354 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:06,360 talk about the kitchen sink podcast, I would love that 355 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:09,750 title. Tell us more not only the podcast where we can find you 356 00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:12,120 and I'll make sure I put your links in the show notes. But 357 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:15,120 where else might we take a look at some of the work that you've 358 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:19,410 done? Yeah, so so they can go to kitchen remodel Rockstar, and 359 00:21:19,410 --> 00:21:22,230 that's where women can sign up to work with us and help us 360 00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:25,200 design your kitchen. There's a free class on there, you can go 361 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,870 through that and kind of learn a little bit about my process and 362 00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:31,800 how that works. You can go to dream underscore kitchen 363 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,460 underscore coach, that's our Instagram account. And the 364 00:21:35,490 --> 00:21:37,980 podcast is the kitchen sink podcast. And we're the ones with 365 00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:40,590 the little yellow lemon. That's how you'll know it's our logo. 366 00:21:40,830 --> 00:21:43,830 There's actually quite a few Kitchen Sink podcasts. I'm the 367 00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:45,300 only one that talks about kitchen design. 368 00:21:46,530 --> 00:21:50,490 But you'll know the little yellow lemon. And yeah, we'd 369 00:21:50,490 --> 00:21:53,700 love to be we have a whole group of private group of women in a 370 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:56,640 Facebook group where we help them design their kitchens all 371 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,510 over the country. And we help them put cabinets together and 372 00:22:00,510 --> 00:22:05,190 install cabinets and do a lot of DIY, like we're really pro women 373 00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:09,180 feeling empowered, and really kind of taking back the kitchen 374 00:22:09,180 --> 00:22:12,990 space instead of it just being like a male dominated industry. 375 00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:17,580 So yeah, we'd love anybody to reach out, we'd love to help. I 376 00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:20,460 love these options. I know I'm going to be going down the 377 00:22:20,460 --> 00:22:24,960 rabbit hole, I am so excited to have met you today. And I really 378 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,020 appreciate you, you know, blowing my mind multiple times. 379 00:22:28,050 --> 00:22:29,400 This is really exciting. 380 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:34,710 I have to say as many kitchens as I have reorganized and redone 381 00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:38,190 I think I have a fresh new take on things and especially the 382 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:41,550 renovation part of it as well. And just having that reality 383 00:22:41,850 --> 00:22:45,480 based sense of what's happening on TV and what we can actually 384 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,840 do in our own home. But it sounds like you know, ladies, 385 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,940 don't be discouraged if you're listening to this and think, 386 00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:53,880 Okay, well, she just said it's gonna be a gajillion dollars, if 387 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,300 I want a kitchen that works for me. No, that is not what I want 388 00:22:57,300 --> 00:23:00,000 you to take away, I want you to take away the fact that you can 389 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,210 go to Camille and you can say, here's what I want, I'm not 390 00:23:03,210 --> 00:23:05,550 going to give you a billion pictures and have you know, 391 00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:09,930 paralysis by analysis. I'm going to focus in on things that are 392 00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:12,990 really important for me, and I'm going to trust that she is going 393 00:23:12,990 --> 00:23:15,780 to lead me in the right direction to truly get this 394 00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:18,480 functional kitchen that I love. And of course, the beautiful 395 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,930 part will come along with that as well and save a lot of money. 396 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,380 That's kind of our big thing is to help help you save a lot of 397 00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:29,250 money. That's a big focus of what we do. Absolutely. Because 398 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,150 we need to spend our money on lots of important things, 399 00:23:33,330 --> 00:23:36,150 raising a family. As we all know, there are certainly things 400 00:23:36,150 --> 00:23:38,520 that come up that are unexpected. And also just the 401 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,970 expected stuff is really stinking expensive. So to be 402 00:23:41,970 --> 00:23:44,430 able to save a little money in our kitchen but still have one 403 00:23:44,430 --> 00:23:48,750 that is working well for us and is truly the heart of the home I 404 00:23:48,750 --> 00:23:52,140 think is all the reasons that we need to go check out everything 405 00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:54,540 that you're offering. Thank you for sharing your services. Thank 406 00:23:54,540 --> 00:23:58,080 you for sharing your wisdom. I have been forever changed today. 407 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,040 Camille, truly. 408 00:24:00,870 --> 00:24:03,690 Thank you so much. Thank you all so much for listening. And I 409 00:24:03,690 --> 00:24:06,540 will talk to you next week for some more organization 410 00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:09,660 motivation, and probably some other conversations about 411 00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:13,320 kitchens these days. Now I know I'm fired up about new stuff to 412 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,650 talk about. I look forward to having you back on Sunday to 413 00:24:16,650 --> 00:24:19,380 talk to us a little bit more. Camille, I hope you have a great 414 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,370 rest of your week and feel better soon. I will thank you so 415 00:24:23,370 --> 00:24:27,150 much. And this was really fun. Yay. All right. Thanks so much. 416 00:24:27,150 --> 00:24:29,130 You guys. Have a great day and I'll talk to you next week. Bye 417 00:24:29,130 --> 00:24:29,460 bye. 418 00:24:30,930 --> 00:24:34,740 Thanks for listening to another episode of the moms organization 419 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:38,850 motivation podcast. For more resources to organize and style 420 00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:43,050 your busy life, head over to everything with style.com and 421 00:24:43,050 --> 00:24:47,460 connect with me on Instagram at everything with style mom. 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