What if the Bible wasn't written to you but it was written for you?
Speaker:That one question changed everything for me.
Speaker:You see, I always thought the Bible was written to me, and in some areas it is.
Speaker:But it really was written to a specific audience in the first century, and if we
Speaker:ignore who it was originally written to, we risk twisting what it actually means.
Speaker:Hello there.
Speaker:This is Tim Winders.
Speaker:Welcome to Seek Go Create.
Speaker:This is episode four of the series that I've been calling.
Speaker:Why the Bible doesn't make sense yet.
Speaker:And in the other episodes we've been building up to some of the things we're
Speaker:gonna discuss in this episode and in the final episode, which is episode five.
Speaker:And let's go ahead right up front here in state what the problem is.
Speaker:We read the Bible, we, those of us living here, this is recorded in the year 2025.
Speaker:We read the Bible like it was written in 21st Century America.
Speaker:And I emphasize the word America, not just in the Middle East, in the 21st
Speaker:century, or not just in the world, but we actually like to narrow it down as.
Speaker:If it was written to us here in America, and I know some people
Speaker:listen to this episode, these podcasts that go create outside of the United
Speaker:States, but I'm pretty sure you'll probably know what I mean by that.
Speaker:We assume it was written to our culture, our worldview, and our assumptions.
Speaker:And that leads to misunderstanding, misuse, and truthfully, a very shallow
Speaker:and sometimes jaded and warped theology.
Speaker:We kind of have a skewed view of God.
Speaker:We have a skewed view of Jesus Christ.
Speaker:We have a skewed view of religion and it enters into a lot of areas such as our
Speaker:politics and culture and other things.
Speaker:But here's the reality.
Speaker:there's no question about this.
Speaker:The New Testament was written to real people in the first century.
Speaker:Does that make it any less important to us?
Speaker:No, it doesn't, but if we don't understand that, then we can apply it to ourselves.
Speaker:There were different authors, there were different churches,
Speaker:different groups, different regions.
Speaker:All dealing with specific issues and it's very helpful.
Speaker:In fact, it's imperative that we understand as much of those things as we
Speaker:possibly can, especially the issues and the things that they were dealing with
Speaker:if we don't understand them than we can't fully understand what was said to them.
Speaker:I'm gonna repeat that sentence.
Speaker:If we don't truly understand them, we can't fully understand what was said
Speaker:to them, which are these scriptures that we look at in the Bible.
Speaker:Let me kind of go back as we've been doing on these episodes
Speaker:and talk about my journey.
Speaker:I, early on in my study of the Bible, I knew there was some
Speaker:context, but truthfully, I don't know if I ignored it intentionally.
Speaker:I don't know if the people I wa I was listening to or the preachers
Speaker:and teachers that I was around didn't really apply it, but.
Speaker:I never really considered much the context.
Speaker:And I know people throw statements around, like, context is everything
Speaker:and you've gotta have the context.
Speaker:But yet the more you talk to some of those people, they really
Speaker:don't fully grasp the context.
Speaker:And so after years of devotion and study and pulling out scriptures and reading
Speaker:the Bible and maybe reading one book of the Bible and trying to study that.
Speaker:I think I still missed so much like many people do.
Speaker:And I shared before I went, I even went to Bible school for a few years.
Speaker:We spent four hours a day and more outside of our classes studying the
Speaker:Bible, I don't recall ever having a conversation in Bible school about the
Speaker:group of people that certain scriptures, certain books, certain letters, certain
Speaker:epistles, certain gospels were written to.
Speaker:We sort of defined it a little bit, but we didn't really
Speaker:dive deep into understanding.
Speaker:What was going on with that group, with that Ecclesia, with that church
Speaker:group, with that body at the time that letter arrived, at the time
Speaker:that that epistle arrived, so that we knew what was going on with them.
Speaker:When I started studying the first century world, and this has only been
Speaker:in the about the last 12 to 24 months.
Speaker:I started studying things like Josephus, who was a historian.
Speaker:He actually has a Jewish background that spent some time with the Romans
Speaker:and was with them at the time that they destroyed Jerusalem in 80 70.
Speaker:When you start studying some of that and then applying it and laying it over
Speaker:what you've been reading in scripture, things become not really 2D, where you
Speaker:start looking at how it applies to us, but it becomes 3D, four D and beyond
Speaker:multidimensional because you start understanding really what was going on
Speaker:at the time it was written, and what was going on with the audience that
Speaker:it was written to, and that all of a sudden makes things really powerful.
Speaker:And really in my opinion, it gives me much more clarity because you understand
Speaker:the culture, the politics, the religion.
Speaker:it opened my eyes to seeing what all was going on then, and also
Speaker:how we were twisting scriptures if we tried to take a scripture or a
Speaker:group of scriptures and make it fit.
Speaker:Just as an example, our political belief system in 20 20, 25, et cetera.
Speaker:So I saw the tension.
Speaker:I felt the tension that was going on between the Jews and the
Speaker:Gentiles, between Rome and Israel.
Speaker:Between the temple and the kingdom of God.
Speaker:I saw that friction and all of that was what was happening.
Speaker:When Paul would write one of his epistles or John wrote the book of Revelation, or
Speaker:the gospels were written to explain what was going on at the time that Jesus walked
Speaker:and teach, and Jesus walked and talked and shared, during the time of the gospels
Speaker:and the time that he walked the earth.
Speaker:I began to understand why Paul said what he said, why James emphasized action
Speaker:and why Revelation sounded so urgent.
Speaker:And some of the other books of the Bible, especially the New Testament,
Speaker:there was an urgency when they mentioned something about the day of the Lord or
Speaker:the end, or when Christ was coming back.
Speaker:It was much more urgent.
Speaker:During their time than I ever understood or could grasp.
Speaker:And so that's I think why it's so important.
Speaker:Let's look at some key concepts so that we can, understand it.
Speaker:These are some things that it took me a few years to grasp, but
Speaker:it really began helping me when I was reading Audience Matters.
Speaker:It matters who something was written to.
Speaker:All you have to do is consider what if you go out to your neighbor's mailbox
Speaker:and pull their mail out and bring it into your house and start reading it
Speaker:and try to apply it exactly to yourself.
Speaker:Yes, they have certain habits and things like that, but there's thing,
Speaker:there are things that are specific to them that if you understand it better
Speaker:and understand their situation, then it'll help you understand that mail.
Speaker:If you try to read something that was written to someone else, there's a
Speaker:good chance you may misinterpret it.
Speaker:you just have to ask things like, who wrote it?
Speaker:Who were they writing to?
Speaker:What was going on?
Speaker:And if you begin asking those questions, much of it is available.
Speaker:There's historical accounts, there are biblical accounts.
Speaker:You start putting pieces together that are in the Bible that you go, huh.
Speaker:Paul wrote this before.
Speaker:He wrote this, he wrote this after he visited.
Speaker:There were multiple letters that he wrote to this group.
Speaker:What did the first letter say?
Speaker:What did the second letter say?
Speaker:Those things are important and they matter, and they help us when we start
Speaker:attempting to interpret and then pull forward what was written during those
Speaker:times to then see how it applies to us.
Speaker:Misapplications happen whenever you don't have the context.
Speaker:We cannot treat letters written to the church in the first century
Speaker:as national policy in some of our countries and our nations today.
Speaker:Can we use some of the principles to guide us?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Can we take them as something that we must do in our world today?
Speaker:Probably not.
Speaker:I actually believe we're driving people away from the gospel of
Speaker:Jesus Christ by doing that, and I think it is causing some damage.
Speaker:Some people might argue with that, but I really do believe we're
Speaker:causing damage by pulling some of these things out of context when
Speaker:we apply Jewish ceremonial law.
Speaker:To the freedom that we have as Christians.
Speaker:You know, one of the things that most people don't grasp is that that timeframe
Speaker:between let's say 30 ad, when I believe roughly that timeframe, was when Jesus
Speaker:Christ Ministry on Earth was completed.
Speaker:He went to the cross.
Speaker:He died on the cross.
Speaker:He was resurrected.
Speaker:And then shortly after that, the Holy Spirit came as the helper, the completer,
Speaker:and what we know as the Ecclesia or the or the early church began forming at
Speaker:that time, That timeframe up 40 years later that Jesus prophesied about in
Speaker:Matthew 24, the 40 years when Jerusalem was destroyed, the temple was destroyed.
Speaker:That period of time is when I believe some people believe, at least a
Speaker:majority of it, all of the New Testament was written during that timeframe.
Speaker:When there was essentially two covenants.
Speaker:The old covenant still existed.
Speaker:It had not ended, but the new covenant.
Speaker:The Messiah Covenant had been put in place because of what happened
Speaker:at the cross and the resurrection, that tension people coming out of the
Speaker:Jewish Church and becoming Christians.
Speaker:That tension existed during that time, and we have to understand that that
Speaker:was a big part of what the audience of the New Testament of the letters.
Speaker:Of the gospels of, of, that's a, a big part of who that was written to.
Speaker:We have to be careful of using prophetic warnings written during that time as
Speaker:personal promises for what's going on in our world today, 2000 plus years, and in
Speaker:fact, I would venture to say that that is a huge, huge mistake that is going
Speaker:on right now where we're attempting to take news stories or headlines from
Speaker:our world today to take things that were being said to the audiences of
Speaker:the first century about events that were about to occur to them, trying to
Speaker:apply them to today is an incredible misuse of scripture and, and there's a
Speaker:lot more that I could say about that.
Speaker:We'll talk more about it in episode five, but I think that's one of
Speaker:the negatives or the drawbacks to taking the scripture out of context
Speaker:and not understanding the audience.
Speaker:Why does this matter?
Speaker:It helps us avoid confusion.
Speaker:Contradiction and fear-based interpretations.
Speaker:I actually kinda went back and forth with someone recently and they were
Speaker:basically saying that this is my words, not exactly theirs, that we have to
Speaker:use some of these items to scare people into the Gospel of Christ, and I don't.
Speaker:Believe that that is not my belief system, not from reading the scriptures.
Speaker:I don't believe we scare people with the world is about to end.
Speaker:You better get your act together now.
Speaker:I. Do believe people need to get their hat together?
Speaker:I think we need to be in right standing with our Heavenly Father.
Speaker:I do believe we need to believe in Christ, but I don't believe we need
Speaker:to scare people necessarily into doing that, and especially scare them by
Speaker:twisting scripture and making them think that some event is about to happen.
Speaker:That already happened 2000 years ago.
Speaker:And when we do that, it honors the original message and it also
Speaker:allows us to use that wisdom and apply it in our world today.
Speaker:It lets the spirit apply it correctly to our lives today instead of
Speaker:twisting something around trying to make something happen and trying to
Speaker:either use fear or something that's incorrect to get something to go on.
Speaker:Let's look at, these are some of the timeline items.
Speaker:That really helped me understand.
Speaker:Now I gotta remind everybody, some of you already know this,
Speaker:but I am an engineer by training.
Speaker:I'm an industrial engineer, so process and order are very important to me.
Speaker:I like looking at A, B, C, D, how things go in order, 1, 2, 3, 4.
Speaker:I do love at times when stories are told where there's flashbacks or,
Speaker:um, this kind of funny, the ultimate.
Speaker:Storytelling device, which is time travel.
Speaker:but I really wanted to begin understanding, we talked about it in
Speaker:a previous episode, the chronology.
Speaker:what was the timing of some of the things that I was reading about?
Speaker:In these scriptures because I think that matters.
Speaker:I think that helps us understand what's going on, and many, I would
Speaker:dare say most don't realize that the New Testament books were not written
Speaker:in the order that we find them in.
Speaker:The earliest letters are towards the end.
Speaker:James was written roughly, we don't know the exact dates, but roughly around
Speaker:80 45, about 15 years after the cross.
Speaker:Galatians was shortly after that.
Speaker:That was 80 49 ish.
Speaker:And then first Thessalonians, another letter of Paul's was around 80, 50 or 51.
Speaker:All of those.
Speaker:Came before any of the gospels were written.
Speaker:The gospels, Matthew, mark, and Luke, in all likelihood were not written
Speaker:until the mid to mid fifties to even into the sixties, still before
Speaker:the destruction of the temple and destruction of Jerusalem in 80 70.
Speaker:Which would've been such a significant event, I can almost guarantee you
Speaker:that had that a D 70 event, that destruction occurred, we would've
Speaker:read about it in some of the either the letters or the gospels.
Speaker:I believe that most of the New Testament was.
Speaker:A leading up to that event of 80, 70, it would be similar to some of us reading
Speaker:things today and there being no mention at all about what happened in our country,
Speaker:the United States, around September 11th.
Speaker:Or you know, and these things pale in comparison to what went on in 80 70,
Speaker:but you know, the downfall of 2008 or if you were reading something right
Speaker:now, this is being recorded in 2025 and no one says anything about the.
Speaker:Two to four years event.
Speaker:That was a worldwide pandemic of COVID.
Speaker:It would, it, it would be like, that wouldn't make sense if someone
Speaker:ignored that in writing to certain groups and telling them things.
Speaker:So, that's one of the reasons, in my opinion, we can, we can look at most
Speaker:of these things and say, you know what?
Speaker:They were written prior to that 'cause they would've mentioned it if
Speaker:it would've been written after that.
Speaker:Revelation in John's Gospel.
Speaker:Those things are questionable for many, but in my opinion, and from
Speaker:the studies I've done and from the research done, I believe that those
Speaker:were also written prior to 80 70.
Speaker:Some like to date them later into the nineties of the first century.
Speaker:And truthfully, it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker:It doesn't make sense based on what I just said.
Speaker:It doesn't make sense based on some of the historical evidence.
Speaker:And, there's really only one thing that people use to try
Speaker:to say it was written in.
Speaker:And that actually is, is pretty easy looked at in some different ways.
Speaker:So let's just say for example's sake.
Speaker:That all of the New Testament was written between AD 45, which is the
Speaker:book of James, the first one that we believe when that was written and the
Speaker:Gospel of John and also the revelation of John was written prior to 80 70.
Speaker:So everything was written within about a 20 to 23 year period right in there.
Speaker:So all of these items were written in then.
Speaker:So wouldn't it make sense?
Speaker:That if most or all were written during that timeframe, that I, and you would
Speaker:want to learn as much as we could about that so that we understood the audience,
Speaker:we understood what was going on, we understood the mindset and the hopes
Speaker:and the fears and the conflicts and the challenges that they were going through.
Speaker:And that is what I've been doing for the last year or so is attempting
Speaker:to learn as much as I can.
Speaker:That means, like I said before, everything was written during that timeframe,
Speaker:before the destruction of the temple and what we know was now the end of the
Speaker:old covenant because we can say that and, and there's a lot more to this.
Speaker:I'll discuss this more later, but.
Speaker:We know that the old Covenant ended during that timeframe.
Speaker:Jesus prophesied that that's what he did in Matthew 24, and he did say that it
Speaker:would happen within a generation, which a generation typically biblically speaking,
Speaker:and even today is right at 40 years.
Speaker:So it was almost exactly 40 years.
Speaker:If there is no temple, the temple was destroyed in 80 70.
Speaker:That that means there is no sacrifice.
Speaker:And the sacrifice was the foundation of the old covenant.
Speaker:If there's no sacrifice, then that means there's no covenant.
Speaker:The old covenant ended at that time in 80, 70, and fortunately the new
Speaker:covenant had already been in place at the after the resurrection.
Speaker:And so we went from a time of having two covenants, which is when most of
Speaker:the New Testament was written to a time after that where we're now living in it.
Speaker:That is a time of the Messiah Covenant or the New Covenant.
Speaker:That was a pivotal moment, that 80, 70 moment that shaped so much of the New
Speaker:Testament's urgency and its message
Speaker:These books weren't written with hindsight.
Speaker:They were written with foresight, with prophecy warning believers
Speaker:about coming judgment and urging them to live faithfully in a season.
Speaker:Of massive transition specifically many of the believers in Jesus Christ, the Messiah
Speaker:that had come out of the Jewish faith, the Jewish system, the Old Covenant, they
Speaker:were being threatened and much of what was written in the New Testament was an
Speaker:urging to them not to go back, not to go back to the law, to stay faithful.
Speaker:And to stay true because Christ was coming and that judgment would occur.
Speaker:And the Old Testament, the old covenant would end in just a few
Speaker:years, depending on when the, when that scripture was written.
Speaker:If you've ever felt like the Bible was random or out of
Speaker:sequence, this may be why.
Speaker:If you didn't understand that, you're reading it through a structure that hides
Speaker:the real time tension, the urgency, and the transformation that the early church.
Speaker:Really experienced, all you have to do to kind of put this in the proper
Speaker:context is just go to some of the epistles, the ones that Paul wrote.
Speaker:First Corinthians starts.
Speaker:To the Church of God in Corinth.
Speaker:Now, first Corinthians may possibly have been the second letter.
Speaker:This word gets a little bit complicated.
Speaker:First Corinthians may actually have been the second letter that Paul wrote.
Speaker:We don't have the first letter and then we believe that Paul May have written
Speaker:another one after what we call First Corinthians, which was actually a second
Speaker:letter that we do not have record of.
Speaker:But our second Corinthians, which was actually Paul's fourth letter.
Speaker:It's our second Corinthians, so don't get confused by that.
Speaker:We could still, learn a great deal of the message that Paul had to
Speaker:the Church of God in Corinth in Galatians to the churches in Galatia.
Speaker:We know that Romans was specifically written.
Speaker:To a group that Paul had helped reestablish.
Speaker:After the Jews were banned from Rome, they were allowed back in.
Speaker:Paul saw that happening and he sent a group of Christians into Rome to be
Speaker:prepared for when the Jews would be.
Speaker:He believed coming back into the city, which they did.
Speaker:One of the things that's stated in two Timothy two 15 is that we are to
Speaker:correctly handle the word of truth.
Speaker:I believe that what we're talking about here is a foundation for
Speaker:correctly handling the word of truth.
Speaker:This Bible, this scripture, this 66 books that we have that aren't.
Speaker:Written in order, but we need to take them and put them in the order so
Speaker:that we can understand them better.
Speaker:I needed that.
Speaker:Some of you may not.
Speaker:You may be so bright and so educated and so good with scripture.
Speaker:You can take it and it doesn't matter if it's in order for you or not.
Speaker:I needed to put it in proper context to understand that story.
Speaker:Understanding the original audience doesn't make the Bible less relevant.
Speaker:It doesn't take anything away from what it does for us today in our
Speaker:world to understand more who the Bible was written to 2000 years ago.
Speaker:In fact, it makes it more powerful to understand what's been
Speaker:happening the last 2000 years.
Speaker:That's one thing we're gonna talk about in the final episode
Speaker:of this series, is what's been going on for the last 2000 years.
Speaker:It becomes more powerful to us.
Speaker:It becomes more personal to us, and it shows us more of the nature of
Speaker:God and what he's doing to integrate.
Speaker:He is drawing all of us to him so that his kingdom and his family can be.
Speaker:Finalized, fulfilled, created.
Speaker:When you see what it meant to them, to those people, to receive a letter
Speaker:from Paul to receive instructions from John, when you really understand
Speaker:what it was like, to receive that scroll that arrived and it was opened
Speaker:up and it was read to them, then the Bible will come alive to you.
Speaker:It's come alive to me.
Speaker:It'll come alive to you in ways then it never.
Speaker:Has before.
Speaker:That's what's been happening to me lately.
Speaker:That's the journey that I've been on, and if it hasn't been your journey, I'm
Speaker:just hopeful that these messages and these episodes in this season is helping.
Speaker:I've got a project or two I'm working on that may be helpful, that I'll talk
Speaker:possibly about in the next episode, but that's what's been going on with me
Speaker:We are going to explore what ties all of this together, and
Speaker:that is the Kingdom of God.
Speaker:It's not an aside, it's not a side topic, it's not an, oh by the way,
Speaker:that Jesus happened to mention, and it happened to come up in the, in the New
Speaker:Testament a hundred and something times.
Speaker:By the way, I've studied it.
Speaker:I've looked at every scripture.
Speaker:It is not a side topic in many ways.
Speaker:It is the core of Jesus' message and that is the kingdom of God that arrived
Speaker:with him and continued to spread, and it continues to spread today.
Speaker:That was their mission.
Speaker:That was the message of the New Testament, and if you've missed the kingdom, there's
Speaker:a good chance you've probably missed the point next week, episode five.
Speaker:Let's fix that together.
Speaker:See you next week on Seek.
Speaker:Go create.