Something just happened in the studio just now. That is a perfect example of what this episode is
about. And I need to tell you before I get into the intro that I was going to do, I need to tell
you what it is. So we just recorded only about five minutes of the podcast episode, and then J.
R producer who's just next door, just ran in and was like, Heather, I'm so sorry. Um, we need to stop
the episode. I know you're like mid flow. I know you're talking really deeply, but the lighting
isn't right. Like something's wrong with the lighting. And to be fair, it is really important
that you get this stuff right. And so I'm glad Jay stopped for me. Five minutes it. And then it was
only five minutes in. But the reason that's an important story that I tell you is this episode
is all about something that's very deep and personal to me, something it's a philosophy which
is stoicism. And a huge part of the stoic philosophy is when things go wrong,
how we use that to our advantage. And it's like there's a great book that we'll get into called
The Obstacle Is the Way, but the obstacle is the away essentially says when something happens that
feels a little bit frustrating, it might be traffic, it might be you get five minutes into the
podcast episode and the lighting's wrong and you have to stop mid salt and start again. What do you
do? Like how do you respond? Do you think? Oh fuck's sake. You know, I was really in it there. I was like
ready to go. We were really enjoying it. Now we've got to start again. Or do you immediately say to
yourself, okay, that was a slight obstacle, but this is the way. Like, this is the reason my brain
straightaway went to. Yeah, that intro wasn't that good. The one that I just filmed, it wasn't that
good and I was getting a bit lost. I wasn't really happy with it. And now I've got the opportunity to
do it again. And that's exactly what this episode is all about, about things that are outside of
your control, and how I have used stoic philosophy for the last 7 or 8 years now. I've
been, like, deeply sort of ingrained in research, in understanding, reading and putting into practice
stoic philosophy, into my day to day life. It has changed my business, my leadership, my career
success, absolutely. My relationships and money that comes into my life. The success that I have. I
could 100% pin everything back to the decision I made to start building and
understanding stoic philosophy. And so we're going to go through that today. A bit of a beginner's
guide, a whistle stop tour to stoicism. You may have heard the word before. You may have seen it
online. You may have seen people explain things through the lens of stoicism. But like, how does
you know the ancient Greeks 3000 years ago? How does that even begin to compare? How do I even
begin to, like, lay that over my working life, my day to day life? And how is it relevant for me
today? Now, I want you to picture this. I'm 23 years old. I live in Chorlton, which is like a little
suburb on the outskirts of Manchester. I live with my friends. I've just come out of a relationship
that was very rocky the last couple of years of that relationship, just both of us were deeply
unhappy. It was just draining our mental health, our physical health. And so now I'm 23 years old.
I've moved in with my friends, and I'm starting to kind of find a little bit of a lease of life
again, but still feeling very lost. And at that age, I remember every single person around me was in a
relationship, like all my friends were in relationships. I was the only one we'd go to, like
friendship, but friends, barbecues and dinners and birthday parties and blah blah blah nights out.
And everyone was in a couple. And I remember crying so many times when I got home after those
events thinking, it's me. Like I'm the problem. I'm the one that sticks out. I'm the one that isn't
kind of following this traditional conforming path. Like, everyone's been together for years and
years and I'm the only one that's single and I'm lost. And I also felt lost because in my career,
like I did business management as a degree, which in hindsight was incredible. But at the time I
felt this real insecurity about the fact that it was so general. So I picked business management
because I just wanted like a Realistic degree. That didn't kind of box me in because I didn't
know what I wanted to do. I thought I had this thought when I was like 16, 17, I really wanted to
be a lawyer. I was convinced I wanted to do law. And then one day I decided to sign up for some
work experience, and I went and did like a week's work experience during the summer holidays with
this law firm down in the Cotswolds who just would happen to take in interns. And I hated it,
and I just I just really disliked it. I found it really boring. I really struggled with kind of all
the things that I had to do. And I spoke to some of the, like newly qualified lawyers there who had
been kind of working towards this for years and years. And I just thought that reality is just not
for me. So I did something really general. So when I turned 17, 18 and you put your degree, I was like,
let's pick the one thing that doesn't box me in business management. And then off the back of that,
I went into, as you know, like Harrods assistant manager role, I then went into a PA role. I then
joined a Start-Up go proposal where I kind of joined as like very much a generalist. I was doing
bits of social media, kind of helping out in the support team, as you do with kind of tiny
Start-Ups that, you know, you don't really have these very specific roles. And so there I am, 23
years old, just feeling this sense of like, I don't have anything figured out. And I know in hindsight,
like I just turned 31, and I know in hindsight that 23 is so young and you should you absolutely
should not have it all figured out. There is no way I wish I could go back to that version of me
and be like, just make more mistakes and just be more, you know, frivolous and silly and stop
trying so hard to box yourself in and kind of define yourself and define your career because
you don't need to. I started going to the gym, so I'd gone through this Break-Up and started for
the very first time in my life. Like I was never someone who was into fitness. I was never someone
who was, you know, like the gym wasn't a thing that we did was family or anything. Growing up, fitness
sports wasn't really a thing. But I'd gone through this Break-Up and I found the gym as almost like
an outlet. And I just used to go to the classes at Pure Gym, Big Up, Pure Gym. Anyone who disses Pure
Gym. Now I'm like, no, we don't get to do that because a five kg dumbbell is five kilograms
everywhere. So I was going to these classes at Pure Gym. I'd got up this particular morning at
like 5 a.m. to go and get one of the first trams that went into Manchester city centre to go to
the gym before work, and it's chucking it down like the rain is just hammering, hammering,
hammering down and I've got my raincoat on. I was listening to music and I remember stopping just
before I got to the actual tram itself in Chorlton tram stop. There's like a bridge that you
can kind of like look over at the trams just before you go down the stairs. So I get to this
bridge, which is just before, like Chorlton tram stop, where you can look over at the trams. And I
remember just looking over at the trams thinking, I feel so lost. I feel so disconnected
from the world, from friends, from life. I feel like I'm just living life on autopilot and kind
of hoping that opportunities will come my way and just hoping that I will figure it out. And I just
felt lost. Like lost is the only way I can describe it. And then I came across a guy online,
this guy called Ryan Holiday, who I still follow now and think he's one of the best influencers in
the world. I've talked about him before. At some point on this podcast, and this will not be the
last time I mention his name. So he is essentially like a modern day, um,
writer. He's an author, he's an influencer. He has this huge kind of blog that has hundreds of
thousands of subscribers, and he writes about stoicism, and he uses these concepts the ancient
Greeks used and applies them on kind of modern day principles of life and work. And I found Ryan
Holiday, I think it was a podcast that I was first listening to where he was a guest on the podcast,
and I remember thinking, this explains he was talking about like not feeling as though you have
any sense of control or agency over the things that you're doing and needing to kind of latch on
to this idea of, okay, we don't control what happens to us, but we can control how we respond.
And I remember feeling as though, like going through this Break-Up. I was so angry and
frustrated at so many things that were kind of out of my control, like so many things that, you
know, it was being angry and frustrated at those things was never going to change anything. I just
felt so lost that I'd kind of channelled everything into this anger and just felt bitter.
And I'd go to these like, friend barbecues and just feel bitter at like, everyone's so happy and
I'm not happy and that's their fault for some reason, because they're settling and I'm not. And I
just felt the sense of like bitterness. So I came across stoicism via Ryan Holiday, and the very
first thing I did was started reading a book called The Daily Stoic. And I subscribed to his
newsletter, which is also called The Daily Stoic, where he sends one kind of bit of stoic wisdom
your way every single morning. And now, if you have any experience with stoicism, everyone tends to
think that it's something that is show no emotion. Like the word stoic we've come to associate
with. They show no emotion whatsoever, and they are kind of like a cold, stoic person. But that is
that's almost the opposite of what stoicism is. So stoicism is feel all the emotions. Feel it.
We are human beings, like we're not meant to be logical, cold, stark. We are.
We feel the feelings. But the difference is with stoicism is you have to separate the things you
can and can't control. You have to separate things that happen to you that are very much outside of
your control with how you respond to them. So, for example, traffic like you cannot control, traffic
you cannot control when you're sat there in the morning, the traffic is going, it's so annoying.
It's adding 20 minutes, half an hour to your commute. It's frustrating, okay. But you've kind of
got two options and this goes back to the story we just told about with the studio. Like you've
got two options, which is sit there and just get more and more pissed off at the cars, at the
traffic, even though you're also part of the problem, which I always forget when I'm in traffic,
I'm like, I am actually also the traffic, but you could just get more and more annoyed at this
situation that's completely outside of your control. Or you can bring it internally and go,
look, okay, this is a frustrating situation. We're not going to take that away. But a is there
anything I can do about it? Maybe not right now, but potentially in the future. Like, could I ask to
move my working hours an hour earlier so I could kind of avoid it? Could I get the train in? Um, do
we need to I don't I know this one's a bit more unrealistic, but, like, do we need to move close to
the office? Do I need to get a job closer to home? Is the traffic effecting me negatively that much
that I'm not willing to put up with it anymore? And so I'm going to channel this feeling of
frustration into something helpful that is move job, move house, or get the train. Um, you know, just
just something. But also what stoicism teaches you is in that moment when that traffic is
happening. If we go back to that principle of the obstacle is the way, it's like maybe, just maybe,
you're supposed to be slowed down. Maybe, just maybe, this 40 minutes in the morning that you are
stuck in that traffic this hour, in the morning that you are stuck in that traffic. As frustrating
as it is, if it's unavoidable, maybe the hour is supposed to be for you. Maybe it's that
home feels a bit overwhelming, or feels a bit stressful, or you need the hour to separate your
home life and your work life. Maybe it's that you need the hour to listen to podcasts. Maybe this is
like your safe space where you get to listen to podcasts on the way into work, and if you didn't
have that space, maybe you would feel differently about life. Like, maybe you wouldn't. You know, you
need a bit of a commute. I actually, um, I used to love my commute into work because, and this is one
of my commute was a bit longer, so it's quite short now, but when it was longer and it was more
like 45 minutes. I used to use that time. It was like the only time of the day that I got truly to
myself. Even though I was in a crowd of people, I got truly to myself and I would listen to
podcasts. Like I said, listen to audiobooks, listen to music. Like catch up on all the new music that
I loved and kind of didn't get a chance to listen to at any other point in the day. I would
sometimes even do emails so that when I got into work, my inbox wasn't as hectic and I could kind
of just like sit down and work on and do the working on work. And maybe that's something that
your work will let you do, like use your commute time as actual work time, and then maybe take half
an hour off at the end of the day. And most stoic teachings can be traced back to a guy called
Epictetus. So there's a few different Greek philosophers. Marcus Aurelius, who you may have
heard of, is kind of like the main focus of the film Gladiator. But Epictetus and I'm reading this
off my phone, guys, so I don't get this wrong. But Epictetus was a former slave who became one of
the most important stoic philosophers, and he built his entire teaching around one distinction,
which is some things are up to us, aka our judgements, our choices and our reactions. But
some things are not. For example, other people, outcomes, reputation, the economy, other
people's opinion of you. Nearly every modern piece of leadership advice about focusing on what you
can control. Traces back to this one idea, and it was 2000 years before management
theory even existed. But what's important to know is that stoicism has had a really big
resurgence in the last decade. So over the last sort of ten years, especially with Ryan Holiday
kind of becoming a more prominent figure and writing more books, he's got the obstacle. It's the
way ego is the enemy, where he really talks about this suppression of our difficult reactions to
emotions, and now is one of the most quoted philosophies amongst like athletes and leaders
and CEOs, because it is all about this. It's essentially emotional intelligence. It's the very
early stems of what emotional intelligence is and means. And if you look at emotional intelligence
today, we define it as understanding your emotions, feeling your emotions. And then what do we respond
in that emotion like that. Step two of emotional intelligence. And we know from study after study
that emotional intelligence is one of the biggest factors that will determine your career success.
And therefore, the stoic philosophy that kind of surrounds this emotional intelligence
understanding is so important for us to know. Now, there's a couple of real life examples of how
stoicism just shows up in my every single day. We fail all the time. Like every single
day we are failing. Especially in this busy, busy time where we're launching custard like we're
just about to move into the third cohort of clustered. We are. We've obviously launched the
podcast. This Is What We are on episode 12 now. I think this is episode 12 of the podcast. We are
still running fresh leadership world incredibly well this just this week alone, I've got some work
with a brilliant company. Scene Studios, who I've worked with twice now. They're an amazing agency
in Shoreditch and I'm doing these workshops with them, but we just have so much going on and so
much newness and so much building. And when we do that, you know, we've got workshops, webinars, all of
it. When we do that, we're constantly testing new things. We're experimenting with new things,
whether it's experimenting with AI, whether it's experimenting with like new processes for how we
connect, zoom up to our registration process. And almost every time we try something new, we fail,
something goes wrong. And I've had jobs where in the past, where when I've failed at something,
something, you know, for example, like books, the wrong train. I spent money that I spent by
accident, you know, on a piece of software where I'd forgot to cancel it. Like small day to day
mistakes that all of us make. And my boss at the time got really angry and, like, started, you know,
getting really frustrated with me. And that just closes you off into a box. And so I always wanted
to be the manager that allowed failure to perpetuate through what we do. I wanted to be the
manager that. That if a small mistake was made? Of course we pull each other up on it. We help each
other through it, we coach each other through it. But it isn't this kind of like huge catastrophic
event. And mistakes are just part of this concept of like, you have to do things that are outside of
your control. So we have controlled our input. We have controlled the energy and effort that we've
put in, and we have controlled an experiment. We've tried to do our best with this experiment. We
can't control the outcome. We can't control how people are going to respond to it. We can't
control even the weather. And so if we start to get angry and frustrated about those things, you
can see how that's just going to perpetuate this culture of like, we can't make mistakes. We can't
find those obstacles that end up being the way. And stoicism can get really tough when it comes
to work, because it requires us all the time to take like a really high
level of ownership and a really high level of just. I will continue to
accept that I could have done something wrong here. So, for example, like we can't, you know, you
can't prepare, say you're preparing like a client presentation or a client pitch and they say no.
Okay. So what we can do is go, oh, the client, you know, they've not got much money or they don't
care that much or they can't see the value in what we do. Like we could outsource that blame
because it's so much easier to. Or we can allow ourselves to feel that frustration and then go,
okay, what could I have done that would have set us up in better stead and therefore will improve
how this works next time? What could I have done that makes sure that, you know, next time the team
does it, or someone who's more of an expert and it does it. Or maybe I needed to brush up on my
presentation skills. Maybe I rushed it a little bit. Maybe I need to go and ask that client for
deeper feedback so that the next time I like run through this process, it's even better. That
requires such a high level of Uncomfortable ownership to be able to be the person who's
willing to say, maybe it was me. Like, maybe I did do something that could have been better. And let
me tell you, as a business owner, it is one of the best, most important questions I can ever ask
myself is but how could I have influenced the negative outcome of this situation? Like for
example, we ran a webinar a couple of months ago and we did it for the first time on YouTube live.
And if anyone came to this webinar, tragic. So we ran it on YouTube live. And what I did, normally
when I run webinars on zoom, I'll join zoom like 5 to 10 minutes before just to double check my mic,
check my camera, check everything's working. And then I normally will like come off of zoom so
that it doesn't pick it up on the recording and then rejoin like one minute before. So I had
thought that YouTube was the same thing. I joined the YouTube live. What I didn't realise is a it
actually kickstarts the YouTube live. So all these thousands of people that are signed up get the
notification to say the live is starting when it's not really. I'm just testing my mikes and
camera. But then what I did is I panicked and so I set up my mic, set on my camera, panicked. I was
like, shit, I better end this YouTube live. And then it ended the live for good so I could no
longer go back on that YouTube live and like, service and deliver that workshop to the
thousands of people that were registered. And we had to panic. Send everyone an email saying, here's
the new link, we're so sorry. And it tanked the viewership. So I think we had I can't remember the
stats exactly, but I want to say we had like 2000 people registered. Normally out of 2000 people, you
get about a 50% show up rate. So let's say a thousand on that webinar, we only had about 3400
people show up because we messed up with the link. And it's so easy. Like me and Levi could have
cried. I think we probably did have a bit of a tear, but me and Levi have two options. We could
have got really annoyed with ourselves. We could have allowed that frustration to perpetuate. We
could have been pissed off that, you know, we'd spent all these weeks advertising this webinar,
sending this webinar to people. Or we could go look. It's not the end of the world. No one has
died. There is a lesson in this somewhere. Where's the gift? Where is the gift? And me and Levi say
this to each other a lot, jokingly. Now we're like, where is the gift in this when something goes
wrong? Because the obstacle is the way. Like there's always a way through it. And there's
always a reason why that negative thing has happened to you. And for us at that time, like with
the webinar, it was just that YouTube live, like wasn't the right platform for what we were trying
to do. You couldn't send links and we always send people to links for like assets and stuff for
spreadsheets, whatever, throughout the webinar. You couldn't do it. Um, and so it was the the gift was
just you need to go back to zoom, girls. You need to stick to what you know, like you need to go
back to doing it. It also allowed us to work on the process of like our recording, because we knew
in that point that the recording was going to be really important. So it allowed us to kind of take
a step back and go, okay, how do we make sure that as many people watch the recording of this as
possible? And now we have a recording process set up where we tag people. If they came, if they
didn't, um, did they get the recording? Did they get a reminder? Whatever. And the other thing that we
had to take accountability for was the fact that we were just rushing a bit. We'd planned to like,
do a webinar every four weeks, do an online workshop, and we realised we just didn't have the
capacity for it. And so now we only do it every six weeks because it just requires it is quite
intricate, like there's a lot of technical things that can go wrong. There's a lot of people giving
up the time and space to come and watch you, and you need to give it the time and energy that it
deserves to get it right. Another example okay, this one still stings a bit because it was very
recently was when we opened custard up to the first 50 businesses. So this was at the end of
June. Well, it wasn't that recent, but it feels recent to me. We we opened up to 50 businesses. We
got the 51st 50 in very fast, like really fast. and we were celebrating. We were like, oh my God, this
is amazing. And then we realised about 45 minutes in that we actually the businesses that were
signing up were skipping the second step of the process. So the second step of the process is to
put the card details in. Now you do get a 14 day free trial, but you have to put your card details
in at the beginning. And the businesses weren't doing that. So they were essentially skipping that
second step and going straight into the product. So we then had to go back to everyone and be like,
please, can you put your card details in to enable the billing, blah, blah, blah. Barely any of them did,
obviously, because they, you know, they were already hot. They were a warm lead. They were ready to sign
up. And by the time we'd got to them and said, please, can you put your card details in? It's
another action to get them to do. And so it was quite a difficult one, and it was just a massive
mistake. And we'd gone from this huge high of like, oh my God, we've got these big businesses in so
quickly to this new low of shit. No wonder it happened so fast, because we removed one of the
steps of the process that would have made it a bit harder and a bit more of a like end game
choice for people to sign up. And so yeah, we it that was a tough one. Obviously you step
back from it. You give yourself a bit of an hour to to like wallow in self self-pity and then you
step back from it and you go, okay, what has this taught us? What are we building off the back of
this to make sure that a this never happens again, but actually to make sure that that was the
strongest decision we ever made. That was the that was such a happy accident, because we can now
learn that we now have a cancellation process in place. We now have these, um, like step one, step two
stripe processes in place that make it super clear when people sign up and it's just all going
back to the obstacle is the way and ego is the enemy. We all have this big, big, juicy ego and
something that the Stoics believe is that your ego will get in the way of all the greatness you
deserve in life. I definitely know that, like, I guess for the first sort of 25 years of my life,
my ego, emotion around things like. I guess even like jealousy. Just all that stuff that you feel
when you're younger and a bit unsure about the world just dictated everything that I did like. It
dictated where I lived. It dictated what I spent my money on. It dictated what I wanted to do as a
job because I had this ego that was like, if I worked for the businesses that have cool brand
names or, I don't know, go to the uni, that seems fun and cool instead of stepping back and going,
but what do I actually want to do? And that ego just will rule and dictate your life so much if
you're not careful. So to round up this episode, I'm going to give you some habits kind of some
daily things of how you can start to practice stoicism and use it day to day. So the very first
thing that I'd say, it's helped me and you'll have heard this before, is journaling now. Journaling I
think has been used a lot in like the wellness space. But journaling for the Stoics was Marcus
Aurelius used to journal every single day. And if you haven't already, go and read the book Marcus
Aurelius Meditations because he is. Every single day, he's writing down just a few sentences on
how he feels about life, how he feels about work. And inside those journals you start to see, like
the real deep feeling and emotion that human beings have and the benefit of a journal. So all
you need is a notebook. You doesn't need to be any like branded thing, fancy thing, literally just a
notebook and a pen next to your bed. And just for five minutes before you go to bed, write down how
today felt. Write down and you can't censor yourself. What I mean is this journal has to be
seen by no one but you. This is the only place you cannot censor your thoughts. You have to write
down. Like, how did you feel? Were you jealous? Were you pissed off? Were you afraid? Were you angry at
something? Did you feel sad? Did you feel like you were comparing yourself to someone? And the reason
that journal helps so much is for me. Like it helps me to almost put
my daily thoughts, things that normally just run free inside my head and kind of run riot and
make me feel like crap. I write them down and you can almost read them with a fresh brain and go,
hmm, I shouldn't feel that way. Hmm. That feels like I'm overthinking that thing, or it feels as though
I am. My brain is kind of taking this thing out of proportion, and actually, when I write it down, it's
not as big or dramatic as I thought it was. And it really helped me with lots of feelings of anxiety
as well. I don't struggle too much with anxiety nowadays, but when I very first left corporate and
set up my business, I did like it was when I was first kind of becoming someone online, like a
public face, a public figure, and I was showing my ideas to the world. I was sharing things with the
world. People, you know, exes were seeing your videos, friends were seeing your videos. And it
requires you to push past push through a lot of walls of like, cringe and embarrassment. And I did
a lot of journaling at that point because I had I just felt the feeling of anxiety a lot. It kind of
ruled a lot of my day. So by journaling, I could write the things down that I felt and I almost
would see it as a different person. So I'd read it back and think, okay, so posting that video made
you feel insecure because you've always been embarrassed about this thing, and now you're
finally sharing it out loud and your friends might see it and you read it and you go, okay, I
can deal with that. That's that's okay. Whereas your brain will just run riot on the thing. But
your hand and the physical act of writing it down is really helpful. So the second habit that I
would say is, is so the Stoics are big on presence, like being present, kind of being in the moment
and the modern day, um, like version of that for me is just not being on your phone, not being on your
laptop, practising active listening, something a rule that I have had since I was 23 years old. So
I've had this rule in my household for the past eight years. Seven years is no phones in the
bedroom, no phones are allowed in the bedroom. They're not even allowed through the door. Passage.
My bedroom is like my safe space. My cosy space. The phones get charged downstairs. At night you
leave it. We have a cut off for digital devices at about half nine. We leave our phone charging
downstairs, and then you go upstairs. And it's like all those beautiful moments that you share, maybe
with your partner. Or if you live with friends or have kids and family, all those beautiful moments
of like brushing your teeth together and like recapping the day and laughing about things that
you did and just, I don't know. Like getting ready, doing your skincare routine, getting in bed. All of
those things will be taken away from you. That is my favourite part of the day is is going to bed
basically. But in my favourite part of the day is like those moments before bed because it's so
still there is nothing that is stealing away my attention and my focus. There's no email, there's
no WhatsApp group chat popping off, there's nothing. And if you have your phone with you, if
you're on your phone while you're brushing your teeth, you're scrolling before you go to bed. All
those moments are taken away. All those opportunities for like stillness and presence are
gone. So charge your phone downstairs. And then the final habit again. This is a before bed habit that
I have is reading is just reading. So journaling I actually don't journal every single day. Now when
you start out, I would recommend doing it every day just to get into a really good habit of it.
But now I only journal when I feel like I need to. So I'm probably going to do it like once every
couple of weeks when I feel as though I've had a bit of a stressful day. I just need to, like, let
out some emotion through my pen. But reading has changed my life. I mean, I've been a reader since
I've been a reader forever. I've read books forever. But reading is like, how do I even begin?
Like, I could do a whole episode on this about this myself. Like it's just finding these other
worlds to get lost in. And I don't mean personal development. Personal development for the morning.
This is for the evening. It's fiction. It's storytelling. It's kind of getting lost in fantasy
worlds and psychological thrillers and twists and tales and like, my favourite book. Why not?
Probably. Yeah, I'm going to say it's my favourite book of all time is Daphne du Maurier Rebecca. And
it's just like a tale of it's all based in a house. It's all based in one house called Mandalay.
And every page is like a poem. Every page is like a story in itself. And, you know, you could read the
book ten times over and still find new amazing things. And it makes me better in life. It makes me
more still. It makes me more present. It makes me more grateful. It makes me more creative. But you
can't have that habit without kind of having the phone and getting rid of the phone. Because
reading is hard. Like sometimes reading is crap. Sometimes you've got to like, really focus on it
to get into a book, and that's okay. But if it's if your phone sat there winking at you on the desk,
on the side, on your sideboard, next to your bed, it's easier to scroll. Of course it is. I can't be
asked to read today. I'll just have a scroll. Can't be asked to journal. Can't be asked to talk to my
partner about the day. So I'll just have a scroll. So all those habits kind of go hand in hand. I
would also order the Daily Stoic. That's a really great place to start. Is just one meditation on
stoicism for every single morning. Go and order that book. I would highly recommend that too. Well,
thank you for listening to this episode. This feels like a bit of a deep and personal one, and I
could even do a part two on stoicism, because there's so much that I've not even begun to to
touch on. So maybe I'll do a part two in a couple of months. Let me know if you want that in the
comments. Thank you for being here. This podcast we are, like I said on episode 12 now, so we're three
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