Welcome to we are already free, a podcast inspiring down to earth

seekers to live their truth and be the change, rather than spending

too much time fighting against what they don't want.

If you're not sure how to start on your journey of inner healing, or

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Just wanna resonate with some good

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Kash Khan is a sacred men's circle leader, conscious community

builder, plant spirit student and founder of educate, inspire

change, which had around 3000000 followers on Facebook before it

was cancelled. In this episode, Kush shares his

insights on why all you need to do to heal is show up and surrender,

why teenagers rebel, and why conforming isn't the best option.

How some of our greatest teachers are the people who cause us the

most pain. He talks about what faith is and

why focusing on and prioritising your own inner healing is the most

selfless act of all.

And honestly so much more.

Near the end of our chat, cash shares a beautiful truth about how

true freedom is felt in the heart and can never be taken away from

you. A great reminder in these times of

external totalitarianism and mass psychosis.

I'm your host, Nathan maingard.

After nearly losing my life trying

to fit the disease our society just calls being a good citizen, I

dedicated my life to living with authenticity, joy and wonder, and

helping others like me to remember that.

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conversation with the beautiful Kashtan.

Welcome, catscan.

It's a pleasure to have you here.

Thank you for joining.

Pleasure to be here.

Thanks for the invitation.

Just before we started recording,

you were saying you've just come off a mushroom ceremony last

night, so you haven't had much sleep.

And like, first of all, thank you for still being up for this

conversation and like, what's alive for you right now after that

experience? Beautiful question yeah so I guess

what's alive for me is in the last like year or so, I've been working

a lot in plant medicine spaces, but I've been in service like

working in ceremonies, holding space, in ceremonies.

And so last night was a small gathering with just like really

close soul family, friends, brothers and sisters.

And it was a great opportunity for me just to receive, you know, just

to like let go and express and not worry about holding space because

everybody that was there was in their own right.

They're already deep in the past.

So it was just a beautiful.

Learning from me around the difference in holding space and

the difference in receiving, you know, and last night was a

beautiful night of receiving, you know, just stepping into my power

and letting the medicine work through me.

So I guess at the moment with the Lions gate last night and there's

like a portal opening.

So last night was all about

manifestation and abundance and manifesting our dreams into

reality and vocalising our dreams and working with the spirits and

seeking approval from the spirits to kind of give us the

encouragement and the support that we need to.

Used to create our visions into reality.

It blows me away still.

I mean, I don't know why I'm still

surprised, but how? The message that's been coming to

me a lot recently is that we have all these guides and these spirits

and these friends who want to help.

But the rule is that they can't help until we ask for help.

And this is this message has come to me about three times in the

last month or two and so I'm practising asking for help a

little more. And so this morning I was in my

practice and was just asking for some support on many levels

around. Like one of my dear friends, my

dog Sasser passed six months ago.

She disappeared.

And it's been this process of like grieving and the not knowing.

Thank you.

It's and the big part of it is the

not knowing is like, what where did she go?

What happened? Where is she?

What the fuck? And and this morning i was just

asking for some support just like, hey, like, please just send me

some guidance, some support in that area.

And while I was in my session I thought of my friend Deborah,

whose mum just passed away.

Just over a week ago not even and

I was thinking I really want to call her and just check in and see

like how Debra's doing after that experience and I turn on my phone

off to my practice and there was a message from Deborah saying, I

don't know why, but I really needed to send you this is the

mantra that my mother fell in love with as she was fate, as she was

heading towards her death.

This was the mantra that had

supported her in her passing.

It's a 40 minute long mantra, but

I just felt like I needed to send it to you.

I mean, it's just so beautiful.

Ask and you shall receive, right?

Yeah, we have to pay attention to the signs as well.

You know, I feel like when we're on this path of self healing and

spirituality and there signs all around us in nature, the universe

has always speaking to us.

And it's just about tuning into

that frequency to being open to receiving and paying attention to

the signs and really sitting with them and feeling into our heart.

So the fact that you received that gift is probably a sign of how

open you are to receiving.

Well, thank you.

I mean, it's, yeah, it's beautiful to feel like I'm supported.

I think that's part of my shadow is this feeling of aloneness.

And i don't think I'm alone in that shadow, but which is funny,

but I do.

It's I can only speak for myself

that there's the sense of like, I'm alone and I've been left alone

and I'm abandoned and like, that's the shadowy voice.

And so it's amazing to receive those messages even now, like to

connect with you.

A year ago, I was in Lionsgate.

In a mushroom journey with my dog, Sasser at my side, she lay just

relaxed at my side the entire night.

And like I said, before I got in that journey, I didn't know it was

Lion's Gate and I got a vision of a of a beautiful flower of life

with a lion's face imprinted in it.

And only afterwards, speaking with my beloved Carly, who was sitting

for me, I was like, wow, this is, I don't usually see such distinct

visions like that.

It was very specific.

And she said, you know, it's lions gate tonight.

So here we are.

A year later and you've just sat

with the sacred mushrooms on Landsgate.

I mean, it's beautiful.

And I have a flower of life tattoo

in my back as well amazing so what?

What is the.

I mean, you mentioned as well that

the flower of life is a special one for you.

I'd love to hear a little more about that.

Yeah, I just think.

For since 2012 which is around the

time and i started my first conscious business if you like,

and I became aware of sacred geometry.

This is long before I encountered ayahuasca or mushrooms, or any

kind of psychedelic.

I just deeply resonated with

sacred geometry for whatever reason, and the time I was getting

different tattoos made and I chose to get all these different sacred

geometric symbols on my body, and it wasn't until like seven or

eight years later when I did my first iowaska germany but I really

understood the sacredness and the relevance of these symbols.

And I was looking at my body and I was like, wow, it's as if my

higher self has been guiding me this whole time, you know, and I

actually even imprinted these symbols on my body, you know,

which is a really sacred act in itself.

And these symbols ever since have just been really guiding me.

I look at these symbols, metatron's cube, the flower of

life, the seed of life.

All these different shapes are

ancient and probably like, you know, are universal symbols.

And when we look at these amazing you study these symbols and we

work with these symbols.

There's a real deep knowledge and

infinite information in these symbols, you know, and we just

have to pay attention to them and really understand them.

And I like to draw them, I like to write them, I like to listen to

music and just observe them.

And I always have some moves

around my house and I feel like these symbols are like portals or

gateways to other dimensions, if you want to call it that.

And it's just a real education working with these sacred symbols

and just observing them and being with them and trying to understand

them and honour.

Them and their sacred geometry is

very dear to my heart and it's they call it the math of God.

You know, that the Fibonacci spiral and the golden ratio and

all these things.

And the more we studied nature,

the more we studied the universe and the more we study our inner

verse psychedelics, the more these symbols become more and more

prevalent. So it's just like I have a deep

interest and the sacred science of spirituality and I think sacred

geometry is a big part of that.

Well, okay, so I have two

questions, but I'm going to ask the first is so clearly you are on

a deep spiritual path.

You have been for quite a long

time and I'm this podcast for me.

We are already free is just a

support and an invitation and a reminder to all those who are

currently waking up in this time and often feeling quite

overwhelmed and confused and isolated.

And so just to offer support to those who might be really at the

beginning of that journey where they've maybe tried their best to

fit within the constructs of the society that we were born into and

are now realising that is crumbling, that that's.

They can't do that anymore and I'm wondering if you might share a

little bit of how that happened for you when you needed to start

stepping into something different, something expanded and what that

looked like and what you would advise for others who are maybe

just entering that journey.

Thank you yeah so this path relief

found me.

You know, I created a conscious

social media kind of page in 2012 and ever since then I guess I was

just self educating.

Self learning, understanding,

spirituality, quantum physics, nature and all this stuff.

And then over the course of those years, I attracted the attention

of different retreats, like there's a retreat here in Costa

Rica that emailed me.

They liked what I did and they

invited me to do ayawaska.

And ever since then it's been a

series of invitations, you know, from the universe.

I haven't really seeked it out at any point.

You know, it's always been seeking me and I guess when I first did

some research on ayahuasca and I.

Made the journey to Costa Rica to

work with plant medicine and I was really coming in like a baby, like

a child.

Like I had no idea what I was

getting into. I just knew that there was a

calling. I felt it in my heart.

I was listening to people like Alan Watts and Terence McKenna.

I used to watch the Joe Rogan pass quite often, the podcast very

often, and I would see people talking about DMT and mushrooms

and ayahuasca. And so I was very interested by

all this spirituality and other realms.

But I really nothing could have prepared me for what?

Is to come and I'm think anyone that does any plant medicine for

the first time says the same.

But now that I have this hindsight

and I often meet people that are at the beginning of their path and

I guess they're, there's some tips I would give them.

You know, and.

One of the biggest ones for me is

the words trust and the words surrender and also the word

breathe. And quite often when we were in

these altered states or were working with spiritual plant

medicines and plant spirits, or we can go into our nervous system,

can go into shock, or we can often resist whatever's coming up.

And it's in this resistance where there's deep, uncomfortable

witness and it can often cause a lot of pain, a lot of discomfort.

So to limit that, for me it's a case of.

The more we can trust, the more we accept, the more we surrender and

also the more we use our breath as a tool just to find stability and

harmony. This is going to give us the

permission, if you like, to navigate this way that these

realms in a in a kind of graceful way, if you like.

And so I guess, like just trusting, accepting, surrendering,

paying attention to the signs as well, like if you're feeling cold

to this path.

There's a deep reason for that.

There's not many people, I think, on the planet.

That are equipped to deal with a deep spiritual path.

I feel like for some people, they might do plant medicine once and

never again, you know, or people might do it very occasionally,

like once every few years.

And for other people, once they do

this, it's like a deep calling.

And they feel the need to really

embark on this path and dive deep and for those people.

And there's a long road ahead, you know, and it's just a case of

trusting, of surrendering.

And there's a lot of shedding the

skin that goes on.

A lot of people have this idea

that ayahuasca or magic mushrooms is going to heal you and fix you.

And I would say that that's a myth.

That's a complete mess.

You know, when you go to these

plant spirits and what it's doing is allowing you to see yourself

more clearly, giving you more awareness.

And this can often be very unpleasant.

Often you may have heard the words the dark night of the soul, you

know, and I've been doing plant medicine for 3 and a half years

and, i would say the first two years were extremely difficult.

You know, lots of shedding of this.

Then lots of obstacles to overcome, lots of challenges, lots

of difficulties.

And it's as if the plant spirits

are testing you to make sure that you really have the tools and the

determination to stay on this path.

Because this is a path of being in service to others you know of, not

the service itself.

It's a service to others.

And to do this, you really need to be willing to look at yourself, to

look at your own shadows, to release all this stuff that hasn't

been serving you your entire life.

And this involves a lot of

deconditioning and a lot of unlearning and from the minute.

They're born, we are conditioned and we're given a name.

Most of us are given a religion, most of us are told how to eat,

how to live.

And we just accept this as truth

because our parents or teachers or our society tells us this.

And it's often in the teenage years where you'll find the call

of the rebellious teenage phase because a lot of teenagers

recognise something doesn't feel right with society, something

doesn't feel right with what they're being taught.

So they rebel.

But what happens is we get drummed

in so deeply by society, by marketing by culture, by branding,

by social media, that most people end up conforming to society.

We have to get jobs, we have to pay, we have to live, we have to

survive, you know? But some of us keep listening to

this little voice and we follow this path.

And I guess it's just about reconnecting to your inner child

in a way, and remembering that magic is real, that there are

spirits out there.

And just trusting that process for

me is a big one, just having deep trust, you know?

So I don't know if that answers your question.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting because what you're

saying around surrender, trust, breath, are all things that can be

applied outside of ceremony.

And in fact, I would recommend

that people start applying them outside of ceremony if they're

feeling called to ceremony like, because it's nice to have

something to like.

The first time I was with

Ayahuasca and I feel like you might have a similar story.

Like I was not prepared.

I had no context for like i mean.

It's experimented a little bit with psychedelics as a youth, just

for fun like many years before.

But my first, I mean I went like I

just had no breath, no, I couldn't even surrender.

There was nothing to surrender.

There was no me left like it was

just, it was brutal and but in a good way.

Like, I mean, I'm still here and i'm grateful for the journey, but

I definitely think that it can be that practicing, now like gentle

breath work or surrender.

A trust practices gratitude,

etcetera can help someone to kind of prepare for it, even though

there's no way to fully prepare.

Yeah, I agree.

For me, it's like our nervous systems, you know, are not

designed to cope with psychedelics because we're not accustomed to

that those realms.

And I guess the breath is a

beautiful tool to balance your nervous system, you know, so you,

like you say, if you can practice deep breathing connecting to

nature, meditation is a great practice as well, just to calm

your nerves. But when you do enter these

realms, you're able to navigate them with more grace, with more

awareness, to be more still, to be more present.

I think presence is a big one for me.

It's the one thing, I guess, that over the last three years has

become more and more prevalent, and it's become more and more

important to me to cultivate presence because I recognise how

important that is for all of us just to exist as a beneficial

presence on the planet.

We need to manage our own

emotions, to manage our own nervous system, to regain

sovereignty over our mind, our body and our spirit.

You know, and.

It's not an easy task because it's

for me it was like 36 or 37 years of unlearning I had to do to enter

into this new world.

And took a lot of deep work and

deep releasing. Lots of purging, lots of crying,

lots of vomiting over many years, over many ceremonies to get to the

stage where I am now, where I feel I'm able to show up and these kind

of places and not only show up for myself, but be able to hold space

for others, you know? But that came about through, I

guess just a willingness to show up as well, you know?

Well, for me, I always encourage people that I speak to just to

show up. If you can show up, if you can

have the courage to turn up at these ceremonies or if you're

looking for some kind of personal growth or spiritual growth to get

that coach to do that breathwork session, to go to that yoga class,

to book that iowaska retreat, whatever it is, if you can just do

that work to show up and then all you have to do after that is

really just surrender.

That's the hard part, is just

getting there. Once you're there, you just need

to get out of your own way, you know, and let the spirits do their

work. So I guess it's just that.

And those words showing up, I use them every week in my main circle

that I run as i just honour the brothers for showing up.

I say thank you for showing up because the fact that you're here

now, all you have to do is lie back and relax and enjoy the enjoy

the evening and enjoy the ceremony and surrender, you know, and

connect. And yes, we're showing up some big

one for me as well.

So I wanted to check in around

this sacred men's circle.

It's something I'm just very

interested in. So could you share a little more

about what men's work means for you and what it means for you to

be a men's work? Facilitator, sure. So, around a

little over a year ago and, you know, doing lots of iowaska

ceremony, he's working in service and I saw a deep lack of

integration, you know, and people that were going to ceremonies and

travelling from all over the world, coming to Costa Rica and

then going back home again and entering back into the rat race.

And I felt like for me personally, just creating a space where

brothers could come together to share and to integrate the plant

medicine journeys would be a beautiful.

Active service.

It's almost like a spiritual

payment and it was also a form of discipline for me to give myself a

spiritual practice every week where I create this space.

And it's a allowing me to show up for myself and to connect to

spirit, to do breath work, to connect to brothers.

And even on some weeks there would be very few weeks when nobody

would turn up and I would be there myself, but I would use the

opportunity to sit with myself, to work with plant spirits and just

to connect. And I made I made a firm

commitment. 2 Spirit to myself.

I'm going to do this every week and by doing so every week, by

employing that level of self-discipline And for me

self-discipline is another word for self love.

So by loving myself so much, by doing this circle for myself every

week, i recognised I was becoming my own conscious leader.

And then as more brothers showed up every week and connected every

week, they were becoming their own conscious leaders as well.

And so we called the circle with conscious leader of Sacred Men

circle because it's all about men stepping into their power,

becoming their own conscious leaders.

An elevating one another and standing, standing together, but

as individuals, you know, and it was a lot about for me initially

it started off as just sharing just a talking circle.

So we'd be in a circle, we'd lower the lights like some files, fires,

honour the spirits, and then we just start talking.

We would have a talking stick.

And then over the months it

started to evolve.

As my spiritual practice, improved

i started to serve a sacred tobacco, happy or rapid they call

it. I started to serve this and I

started to serve cacao.

And then I also became a

breathwork facilitator as well.

So we came up, we started

employing these healing modalities, and spirits started to

come and visit us in these sacred circles.

And we would connect to our ancestors, would connect to

spirits, we'd have deep wisdom, wisdom channelled music channel

sharing. There would be tears, there be

joy, they'd be connection physical touch, just like brothers hugging

one another, feeling supported by each other, deep releasing deep

connection. And we realise that, wow, we're

really on to something here, you know, and it's just been

beautiful. To be part of a circle where we

can feel supported as part of a conscious community, you know,

because I feel for hundreds of thousands of years, if not

millions of years, humans existed in small tribes, in small

communities. And this is how we functioned.

You know, This is why addictions or prostitution maybe weren't such

a thing when we had tribes, because we'd all support one

another. You know, if people in the tribe

were lacking or if there was a single woman with children, they'd

always be support and care and love, or if somebody was disabled.

Less evil.

They always be people around to

support and it feels like, and in alignment with the industrial

revolution, as capitalism and corporatism takes over the

planets, this community feeling has kind of diminished.

You know, you can have a, you can have like 5 million people living

in a city and it can be the loneliest place in the world, you

know. So I feel like this is these

circles were just a way to remember who we were, to honour

our ancestors and remember how they for thousands and thousands

of years and sat around fires and told stories.

Shared and played music, and much in the same way that we were doing

so it's just about remembering who we are, remembering our past and

honouring our ancestors as well.

Because when I think about my

mother and what she sacrificed for me to be alive, she's going

through the pregnancy, raising me as a child.

And then I think about her mother that did the same for her.

And then I realised that there was a long chain of women that might

extend back thousands of generations of survivors that had

to survive so mean you can be here to thrive.

To live and to enjoy.

And this circle is a real

opportunity for us just to give thanks and to pay respect to those

who came before us.

And then to also turn our life of

an act of service as a way of giving back, as a way of

respecting nature. Because not only our mothers, not

only the fathers that came before us, but also nature that's held

all of us in the past.

The trees that provide oxygen, the

water that sustains us, the sun, the earth, all the elements, all

this is a is a gift, you know, from God, if you want to call it.

Our source.

And we often forget this, you

know, one of the titles, and his name is Title Gabriel I work with

from Colombia. He's a shaman.

And he often says, like, imagine if somebody gave you the greatest

gift, like a bag of ten million dollars Yeah.

He says, imagine how grateful you would feel for receiving this

gift, you know, or someone buys you a private jet.

He goes, think how grateful you would be.

You'd be brought to tears with gratitude, he goes, well, imagine

you didn't have trees to breathe.

You would not be able to receive

that gift. So why are you not equally

grateful for the trees? Why are you not equally grateful

for your breasts? Why are you not equally grateful

for life? Because without life you could not

receive this gift.

You know, when we play with our

children or Make Love to our wives or whatever, and we're so happy

and so blissful, but we forget that we could not receive this if

we did, not if we did not have life.

So it's like the sacred art of living is to remember, is to live

from a frequency of gratitude we are always receiving.

Even since the beginning of this podcast, we've been receiving

abundance, you know, and we're having breath.

I'm sipping on tea.

Palo Santo I have sage.

We have access to this magical one that we call a mobile phone that

gives us ability to communicate across countries, you know, and

really connect. There's abundance all around us.

We're receiving.

I can hear the birds in the

background, I can see the sun shining.

Everything is giving and it's just about remembering that we're

always receiving. But humans have a funny way of

blocking ourselves from receiving.

We forget that we're receiving all

the time, and we enter into this mindset of lack, which is a lot to

do with conditioning of society, that we're not enough.

We're looking at social media.

We're seeing people that have more

cars, more money, and we're thinking are we don't have enough.

We're looking at celebrities and we're idolising them and we're for

getting that, hang on a second, that you are the centre of your

own universe and your what happens in your life really matters.

And your interactions with people really matter and how you go about

your day and the small things that you do really matter and spirits

as much with you as you as with anyone on the planet, you know,

and we're all connected and it's just about connecting to our

intuition, connecting to our inner verse, you know?

And, understanding that everything that we need is here within us

right now, and we don't need to seek validation or acceptance

externally. We only need to look inside and

remember that we already have everything that we need.

So this means circle.

To come back to your question is a

way for me of deep remembering, and that's really put it in a very

simple way.

It's just a way to remember.

Just a lot of beauty right there, brother.

I'm just taking a moment.

Take your time.

Yeah, it's interesting how there's this remembrance that you're it,

that I'm it.

And that remembrance happens in

connection with other so there's this beautiful interplay between

realising I'm it and I realise I'm it when I'm realise that with

others. I mean, isn't that a beautiful,

poetic setup? Yeah beautiful.

Can I share something with? You please.

So i follow, I don't know if you've heard of.

And the law of 1 and the book of RA.

But there's an ancient Egyptian God that's often worshipped.

And in the Egyptian times they say that they were higher beings that

came to Earth and lived among us and then for whatever reason, they

left. But there are still connected to

us. And there's a body of work where

this God came back and he channelled wisdom through these

people that were channelling channellers or deep in meditation.

And this spirit came to them and three people wrote.

This book, but anyway, the point I'm saying is he talks about human

connection and how God created the universe to know himself, you know

to he created creation so that he can know himself, which we spoke

about the flower of life, you know, so the flower of life

originally there was nothing and then there was an we say nothing,

but we also can say Infinity at the same time nothing and

everything is the same, you know.

And it was like a point of

consciousness. It was created and the most

optimal way of knowing yourself is to.

Create a sphere around you, which is why all the planets are

circular spheres, because this is the most optimal shape.

And then this circle all of a sudden split into two.

And this created, you know, the risk of Pisces.

And then this kept going on and on until the seed of life, the fruit

of life, the flower of life.

And then from here, creation

started, you know, and the point I'm trying to make is, and we all

have a little bit of God within us.

So, for example, if you have a wife and you love your wife deeply

and you're in the in the throes of making love.

And you're an ecstasy.

And in these moments, this is,

this is a heightened state of consciousness where it's like God

is seeing God.

You can feel nothing else but love

and gratitude and that moment, and it's like the highest expression

of God. Equally, when I look at my son's

eyes, when I when I when I sit with you right now, I recognise

that on a deeper level, this is God speaking to God.

So when I can really connect to you and when I can have nothing

but love and compassion for you, and you could have the same for

me. And there's no judgement there.

And then I see.

I see almost myself reflected back

at me in your eyes.

So there's a famous poet called

Rumi and there's a beautiful poem that he says is there was a man, a

farmer, who was given a beautiful life.

He was had abundance his whole life.

He had family his whole life, animals his whole life.

All the children got married, he had grandchildren and he had a

great life. And he died peacefully in his

sleep. And he died and he went to God.

And he said to God, like I don't understand, like you giving me a

beautiful life. I had an amazing wife.

I had a beautiful children.

I had abundance.

My life.

And now I'm going to die.

And now I'm dead and I'm in heaven.

And now I'm going to have eternity in heaven.

Like, what's the catch? And God said to him that when i

created you out of mud.

And now I look at you and you're

back at me and I look at you and I see my own reflection in you

because that's how pure you are.

And that's the greatest gift you

can give God.

Because God is everything.

So there's nothing else we can give God other than allowing him

to see himself in us.

So This is why the beauty, this is

the beauty of connection.

So when people connect in a deep

level. What we do in the main circles,

like we do in ceremonies, like we do with one to one work and

intimacy work and Tantra and all this stuff we are actually seeing,

we're elevating one another.

So I'm seeing you and you're

elevating me and you're seeing me and I'm elevating you.

And this is like a deep moment of awareness, of like, oh, we're

just, we're all one.

We said earlier around you the

feeling of being alone.

I look at the word alone and

there's an etymology to this word.

If you separate all and one, it's

all one. You know, there's no such thing as

alone. It's actually a myth where number

alone we always have our spirit guides when you're thinking you're

thought comes from somewhere.

So where does that thought come

from? You're never really alone, you

know. And yeah, i guess it's just

understanding that when we look at people.

As our ability to see God in everybody and everything, even

people that we say evil exists yeah but in my understanding,

working in plant medicine, there is no such thing as evil.

There's only a spectrum of light, and there's darkness and light,

but it's all a spectrum of light at the end of the day.

And if we weren't able to observe the entire spectrum, we wouldn't

understand it. If we don't understand the

darkness, we don't understand the light.

There can be no light without darkness.

So it's just acceptance, like we mentioned earlier.

Acceptance, having compassion, having love, being able to forgive

all those that came before us, being able to have compassion for

even those that continue to harm us or having compassion for even

those that are not.

You know, we feel they're not

serving the planet, but who are we to say they're not serving the

planet? Some of our greatest teachers are

the people that cause the most pain in our life because they're

our biggest teachers.

And who's to say they're not

higher beings from the sixth dimension that are sent here to

teachers? So i choose to honour everyone and

everything and every experience I have in my life.

I ask myself.

One question, and what it's the

question, is what do I learn from this?

And if we can apply that question to everything in our life, then I

feel this is a very powerful tool to transmute any energy and to

reclaim our power.

What do I learn from this?

You know, someone harms me.

If someone loves me, if someone

neglects me, if someone ignores me, if someone does anything, what

do I learn from this? And by me doing this, I'm stepping

into my power and I'm and I'm not allowing anyone to deplete me.

I'm learning always, and this is earth for me is a school that we

chose to come to.

And we're learning.

And the more we learn, the more we're stepping into our power.

And I feel like at some point through evolution, we'll graduate

until we can enter into our light bodies and just exist in the

spiritual realms. But I do believe that we come back

many times and to undo Karma and that from passalis from this life,

and it's up to us to end the karma.

And we do this by releasing all that stuff that no longer serves

us and just being present and accepting and having compassion

and then once we can reach.

The state of mind.

What I find is I'm able to balance my emotions so much better than I

ever used to.

Things fall down around me.

I come back to my breath.

I use my spiritual tools, I

connect to my spirit guides, I connect to my ancestors, and i ask

for guidance.

I asked to remember my strength.

I don't pray for strength.

I pray to remember how strong I am

because there's a difference.

If I pray for something, it means

I lack it.

So those prayers aren't really

heard. But if I pray to remember my own

strength. And then.

Take action on that prayer, then, the guides and spirit support says

when we support ourselves.

I feel like I'm going off on a

tangent, but yeah, I also want to show something to you as well.

This is my bottle right in front of Maine.

So as we were speaking and I had the flower of life staring at me,

I just noticed yeah.

The flower of life is definitely

present in this conversation.

That's beautiful.

Yeah, man.

Well, she's I was a fantastic

tangent. I really, I deeply resonate with

everything that you're sharing.

And it, you know, there's an

interesting one around the transformational journey, which

I've been thinking about a lot recently and I'd be curious to

hear your thoughts, but.

You know, we often talk about the

state. I like you saying, if we keep

practicing and cleanse our karma, like however many generations,

however long it takes, will eventually be spiritual beings.

And the interesting thing I find is that because we are, as you

said, like nothing is everything Infinity.

So we are in an infinite universe, which is impossible, and yet it is

what it is which is beautiful.

Like the paradox of existence is

that it's impossible, but it's here and.

I guess my I'll use a story because it's easier for me to tell

that way, but basically the story of the Caterpillar and the

butterfly and anyone who's been listening to the podcast for a few

episodes will have heard this one before because it's.

I just thought of it recently as one of my favourite like new ways

of thinking about things because I realised and the cover of this

podcast is a butterfly like this.

So it's definitely I connect to

that beautiful image and that representation and what I realised

was that every butterfly.

Lays eggs and then dies at some

point, and then those eggs become caterpillars.

And those caterpillars event, they eat a lot, they actually devour,

they destroy a lot in their growth as they feed themselves whatever

they need to grow, and then they make their cocoon and then they

have to dissolve completely.

They have their own dark night of

the soul where they dissolve into Caterpillar mush before again

there's a there's a butterfly.

But I guess the story for me is

interesting in that every stage of that is necessary and is as valid

as every other stage.

And is in fact infinite.

It will continue.

And so I'm just curious.

I feel like it's a useful perspective to have in the

spiritual world of like, where everyone's talking about ascending

and enlightenment and all these things like, Oh well, you'll be

enlightened for as long as you like, and then you'll lay an egg

and then and then they'll be another Caterpillar.

So what do you think about that? No, I love that.

Yeah, like a i'm immediately receiving the download that there

was a tighter who's now passed.

But he was 108 years old and he'd

been drinking his entire life, ayahuasca, you know.

And after 100 people are like asking him the question, like why

do you still drink medicine? You know, you must have done tens

of thousands of ceremonies.

And he said because the healing

never stops. You know, there's always new stuff

that we take on.

Like there's always growth.

There's always room for understanding, for awareness.

There's a.

It's like, a deep mystery.

Life is a deep mystery.

And there's no there's no like as

humans. We often seek the answers from our

mind, you know, like trying to understand everything so we can

feel safe, but it's accepting that we, as a Wiseman once said

nothing. I think that's a famous quote by

somebody like Socrates, you know, it's like by just accepting that

we know nothing, you know? And then from this space just

being humble and recognising that the past never ends.

You know, if anything, the more we are on this path, it's the more

awareness we have.

Then the more we can start to heal

ancestral winds and generational trauma.

We can connect to our cosmic ancestors.

Number ending the growth is never ending.

We're always shedding skin just when we think we've nailed it and

we've healed and we've grown.

And then all of a sudden, it's

like the universe just confronts you again with another deep truth

and more work to be done.

And the work never really ends,

you know? And that for me is what's really

appealing about this path.

For me, it's the ultimate

adventure. It's the ultimate path of knowing

that there is no path almost, you know, it's like just being deeply

present and accepting.

And I guess that's why meditation

is such a powerful tool, because in.

It was deep meditative practices the MTR mind.

We empty our thoughts and we just connect to spirit, we connect to

oneness, we connect to the universe and it's in there that we

just melt into this nothingness and we become everything and

nothing at the same time.

And it's like, this is just going

to continue forever, you know? We're infinite beings and we're on

this cycle and it's just going to keep creating, keep reproducing,

never ending even the universe.

It's the start of my understanding

goes it just keeps growing and then eventually it will implode on

itself and then it will grow again and maybe we've had this

conversation infinite. Times already like who knows you

know. So just accepting this and being

humble in this that there's somethings we don't know.

There's somethings we're not meant to know.

But what we can do is just have a deep presence and a deep

acceptance and deep faith if you wanna call it that, you know.

And faith is a deep powerful work for me.

It's accepting everything.

Like you said, the dark, I said

earlier, the darkness and the light, you know it's ohh one.

So we can't be ascended masters and the light if we don't accept

the darkness and be willing to look at the shadows and be able to

navigate those shadows and those dark places, you know.

Yeah, it's a it's always shedding their skin.

You know, every ceremony that we do, we're coming in a different

person because each time we're changing.

So every ceremony is a new version of us.

Everyday is a new version of us, you know, even the version of you.

In a year from now, we'll have different here.

We'll have different skin.

You know, your body will shift,

your body will change.

You're constantly changing,

constantly shifting. What you mentioned the Caterpillar

and butterfly humans aren't the same.

Like, I don't look the same as I did five years ago.

I don't look the same as it did a year ago.

I'm changing all the time.

My mannerisms are changing.

The way I communicate is changing.

Learning different things

everyday. We're always changing, we're

number the same.

And I guess the nature is that as

well. Nature is never stagnant.

If something in nature becomes stagnant, it dies.

You know, like if you look at water and it's stagnant, it

becomes a form's disease.

So rivers that flow, birds that

fly, animals that eat one another and consume, and plants that grow.

It's always moving, always changing, always dying, always

being reborn. And this is what humans I guess

need to face is that we are nature and we're going to die as well and

it's that impermanent impermanence life i feel that makes life

beautiful. Can you imagine if we thought we

were never going to die? You know, like if we knew we were

never going to die and living on Earth for eternity, like what kind

of existence that would be? It's annoying that we're not going

to be here.

That makes us appreciate every

moment. That allows us to cultivate

presence, that encourages us to grow, to move forward.

You know, you only have maybe 100 years yet best you know.

So if we had 10000, thousand imagine how differently we would

live, you know? So I guess it's just remembering

the impermanence of life that we're and.

Applying that to the that's the macro verse.

But applying that to the micro verse like everyday is different

every days. New challenges, every day's new

healing, new opportunities.

So yeah.

Yeah, well, it's interesting because I feel like that relates

to how our society is trying to play a finite game.

It's trying to play its own infinite game, but not the way the

game actually works.

So what I mean by that is that we

have corporations and identities and egos and structures that are

society's trying to make infinite, but that's not how Infinity works.

So it's like, well, if we just build this corporation big enough

and if we eat enough, if we take enough and get enough power or

attention or whatever the currency is that's being traded, then we'll

be immortal.

Then we can live forever.

And it's such a it's it doesn't.

That's not how the infinite game

works. It just simply isn't so.

And yet we see the results within our current societal consciousness

that is now quite rapidly delaminating, for very good

reasons. Yeah, resonate with all of that.

You know for sure.

And how? How do you?

Because you're giving so much to.

What you being the change you want

to see, basically, which is such a simple and beautiful saying.

And it's interesting because a lot of people think Gandhi said it,

but actually it's not attributed to Gandhi, non?

I haven't found a source for it, but it's a whoever.

It's a truth.

It's a thing.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

And yet one of the things I.

Witness, I'm just thinking how to,

what is it that I'm wanting to say here, but basically.

I think you actually said it earlier.

Now that I think of it, it's basically I focus on myself so

that when I as I heal, I have more spaciousness to then serve others.

And that's actually the cycle.

It's not our focus on myself

because I want to keep taking, which is what I've done at times

and do at times because of feelings of lack.

That's the actual disease, but it's not.

I'm focusing on prioritising my inner work, my healing, my showing

up, as you said, the showing up in the surrendering because through

that. I am given what I need to show up

more in the world.

I have those calls then to be of

service out in the world and that's the natural route it needs

to take love myself so I can love my neighbour.

Does that make? You know, completely true.

I mean, it reminds me of, like, shamanism.

Shamanism has been around, like long before religion, you know,

it's how humans connected to spirit for all of known history,

you know, and when I asked myself, what is a shaman?

A shaman is not somebody that heals others.

Chairman is merely somebody that's healed himself so much so where

he's able to create spaces where others can do the same for

themselves. So in a way we're all we're all

our own shaman, some of us.

It doesn't necessarily mean you

have to serve ayawaska or serve mushrooms to people.

Being a shaman can be anything.

A mother can be a shaman.

Entrepreneur can be a shaman, a musician can be a shaman.

Ohh you are is your own healer.

And I guess by becoming your own

healer you're able to, like you would say, hold space for

yourself. So when I can hold.

Is for myself, for example.

I have children, you know, so when

they see me not being led by emotions, not losing my temper by

being in harmony, when they see my energy and they see me overcoming

obstacles with integrity, with grace, they feed off this energy.

And this gives them their ability to hold space for themselves as

well. And this is the greatest gift that

we can give to people around us is by our ability to look after

ourselves, you know, and nobody, we're on this planet alone.

At the end of the day, we are in these bodies.

We have to go through life and these.

Released by ourselves and often we can forget and we can externalise

the whole world and we need medication, we need doctors, we

need teachers, we need gurus.

And in the end like this is all

just a distraction from the truth that everything you need is within

you already and it's just about tapping into that and

understanding that it's not selfish.

Self love is not a selfish act, you know, it's people can get

misconstrued because in the 3D World you know, like making money

and doing things can be deemed the selfish act and to some extent

that is. In the spiritual realms, when we

are being selfish in terms of spiritual practice looking after

ourselves, being mindful what we eat, taking our time, protecting

our energy, being careful with who we share our energy with, being

alone in nature, this is not selfish.

This is self love, which is a big difference.

You know, from this act of self love I'm able to live a life of

being in service to others.

So it's ultimate act of

selflessness really is by loving yourself so much.

So yeah, it really resonates yeah thank you for sharing that there's

because one of the things I noticed right now that's an

interesting it's almost like a sneaky weapon.

I don't know if that's the right word.

Sneaky distraction is that, like social media and the media in

general, is constantly calling for me and for the individual to be

enraged about something out there and to take act, to go out there

and like shout at someone else who doesn't understand how important

this thing is.

And I could hash tag thousand

hashtags, that you know, I don't think it's.

Necessary to give examples, but like it's that sense of.

Any of those people, any of us, me, when I feel that urge to go

out there and change something out there, am I willing to sit with

the discomfort of visiting that thing in myself and that's like an

interesting shift and that's what I hear you saying it's beautiful,

Yeah. I used to run a online business and I had millions of

followers on Facebook.

It was called educate, inspire,

change. And the tagline was educate

yourself, inspire others, change the world and them over the years

this evolved from me sharing information about what's going

wrong in the world, like exposing child poverty, exposing war

crimes, exposing corrupt politicians and corrupt

pharmaceutical businesses. And I would often it would.

It would receive a lot of attention, but people would in the

end feel helpless because what can they do?

It's very hard to battle the systems in society like the prison

system, the military system, the education system, and I recognise

that what I was doing was almost feeding the fear.

I was adding to the problem.

Yes, I was.

My intentions were good and I was raising awareness and I was

educating, which is a very important part of life.

But on a deeper level, almost what I was doing was I was feeding the

fear. And I understood that the way we

can transmit this energy is we can only control what happens within

ourselves, you know, so we can control what we eat, how we what

we consume, the media that we consume, the food that we consume,

how we live our life.

And so when we can reclaim

sovereignty over our mind, our body and our spirit, and

automatically our reality starts to shift.

And we start to attract the right people, the good energies, the

ceremonies, the conscious community.

And if more people started to do this, started to look at inwards

and look at themselves, then it's almost like we stopped paying

attention to what's going wrong in the world, and we start to pay

attention to the love within us.

And by not paying attention, we

start to it starts to lose its power.

So if everybody started doing ceremonies and healing and

personal development and spiritual growth tomorrow, all of a sudden

all these institutions would collapse because you're not being

given attention anymore.

You know when?

And think about taxpayers in the country and it's like 99 9 % of

the population are paying tax and 1 % of the population are

billionaires that are not paying tax.

You know, and I think about if those 99 9 % just decided to stop.

Everything's everything falls apart, you know, and we become

decentralised and we become sovereign again.

But it's just people don't have that awareness.

So I guess it's just having that awareness of how powerful we are,

reclaiming our power and reclaiming our sovereignty that's

going to be the key to solving the world's problems.

So before we before we part ways, there's just a few more things I'd

like to ask.

And this podcast is obviously

called we are already free.

And for context, that came from a

poem I wrote called we are already free, which was just.

When I when this whole thing started unfolding a few years ago

around pandemic and what to do, and everyone has to take the

medicine, otherwise you're a bad person and all the stories that

were unfolding and I honour everyone for whatever their

position is within it.

I tried to express that for me.

I think that bodily sovereignty is still critical and that no one

that we can't take that away from people no matter what our opinion

is about it.

And when I was first sharing about

it was just creating more and more polarity polarization and so I

stopped, but it kept this desire to speak my truth kept rising.

And so eventually I started writing these long form poems.

I've been a songwriter and a musician for many years, but this

was my first time really stepping into spoken word poetry.

And that poem is one of them that came out.

We are already free.

And so that term, that sentence

has really stayed with people and with me as a kind of a mantra of a

reminder of like you've been talking about this reminder, these

reminders. That are valuable for us to return

to our natural state that we are already free.

And so I just love to hear any thoughts you have or anything that

comes through for you when you think of or when you say that term

we are already free.

I mean, it's a very beautiful

statement, you know? I think it comes back to me around

just remembering.

So when you say we're already

free. Just that frequency for me, like

the highest form of thought is like love, gratitude.

And in that space, that's where the magic is.

And so when you say we are already free, it's accepting that

everything we have is already within us.

And when we can remember this, we are our own shamans, that we are

our own healers, that we are infinite beings of light.

Then there is a very freeing feeling that comes from this deep

knowing. It's not something you can

understand with the mind it's only something that you can feel with

the heart. True freedom is felt in the heart.

It's not something that we can logically think about.

You know, like some people say, money buys you freedom.

But I know many people that are very wealthy and they are not

free. They're almost trapped in their

own prisons, you know.

So the concept of being free for

me is about the journey that we take from our head to our heart.

When we can start to live from the heart, we start to become free.

We start to be one with nature.

We start to recognise the

abundances all around us.

We start to recognise that we are

never alone. You start to recognise that we do

not exist from a place of fear.

We exist only from love.

We are grateful for every experience we learn from

everything we grow from everything.

And in this there is a deep freedom, you know?

So like whatever life throws at me, i no longer choose to be the

victim. Therefore I am free.

Because I'm learning from everything.

I'm grateful for everything.

And this there's a freedom.

And you could take away my house, you could take away my family, you

could take away everything but you cannot take away my connection to

spirit so. I feel like even like I have a

choked children, you know, and people who love their children

deeply, but there's even a feeling in me i do feel like I'm in

service to others.

And that makes me a better father.

O I'm not a father first, I'm in service 1st, and as a result of

doing this, I'm free to be the best version of myself.

I can show up as a father, as a conscious entrepreneur, as a

sacred circle leader, as a as a space holder, because I'm

accessing this freedom, you know that you talk about because I'm

remembering. So for me, living from the heart

is the definition of being free.

Thank you so much.

What a beautiful sharing and I just really honor.

Having just met you in this conversation, thank you for

trusting to step into the space with me and thank you for doing,

for showing up for yourself, for doing that beautiful work, of

becoming you fully you.

I love being me with you and so

thank you. It's an honour and just one final

thing, which is if the beautiful listener right now the listeners

are wanting to explore you further and connect with you further, how

can they best do that? Sure and I have a few social media

accounts. My personal Instagram is conscious

cash with a key ksh and I also have a platform that we mentioned

earlier called educate.

Inspire change.

We used to have 3 and a half million facebook followers, but

this is another story.

That page was taken down, but I

still have an Instagram channel called educate Inspire change.

There's also a podcast called Educate Inspire Change, but

although I haven't used it for a while, but people can connect with

me there.

There's a website,

educateinspirechange.org that people can access and I'm

freely available. You can go on YouTube.

I've been a part of some different ayahuasca documentaries.

You can just type in educate, inspire, change, or conscious cash

or cash can on YouTube and you'll find me everywhere.

Well, thank you.

I actually heard about that story

of your Facebook page and I was gonna ask you about it, but it

just kind of like the conversation just went in a different direction

and which is it wasn't about what was, it's about what is, which I

think was an interesting that that's what's coming through right

now. So beautiful yeah but i feel like

i look forward and hope that we get to have many more

conversations along the path to, as you say, in service to that was

my prayer at the beginning of this lighting.

My sage was just like, please.

Just like spirit, use me and use

this conversation as a way to just support those who are out there on

this path, who maybe are feeling alone or overwhelmed or looking

for their own guidance or how do they, what do they turn to?

And I feel like, if anything, hearing your words today has

really been an invitation to turn inward.

And so thank you again, brother.

It's been an.

Honour, thank you for creating this space and inviting me for

seeing me the way you do.

I see you too.

Thank you, brother.

Thank you again to the wonderful

Kash Khan for his beautiful offering, his time, his presence,

his medicine work.

There's a beautiful saying I heard

on Laura Dawn's podcasts, the Psychedelic Leadership Podcast,

where she got some advice from her friend at one point when she was

really struggling with something.

And the friend said, you know,

Laura Dawn, really the only thing any of us can do is to get right

with ourselves. And that's become something of a

mantra for me as I noticed more and more attention and intensity

in the world, more and more people calling for external.

We have to be upset about this, we have to focus on that, trying to

point us in different directions, to be angry about different

things. And I'm trying to find this

compass within myself of what is the stuff to give my attention to.

And I realised that it's so important that I get right with

myself in the deepest of ways that I become my own medicine, my own

healer. And that as my capacity for

service expands, as my energy expands, my own ability to show up

in the world expands.

And so I then can take action on

the things that I witness around me.

Where can I be of service within my community, within my family,

within the circles of those who I can directly impact and trust that

if we all do that? The whole world changes overnight.

It's as simple as that, and it ain't easy.

So just know that I'm here with you on this journey.

I'm delighted to be with you.

I'm honoured that we can walk this

path together.

You are not alone.

And I just.

I'm here.

That's really all I can say that we are already free and I'm here

and I'm gonna serve you on this path.

So please reach out if you're enjoying this podcast.

Feel free to send me a voice note and you can find links and podcast

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The show notes for all the links

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to his different pages that he mentioned at the end there.

If you go to podcast.

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you'll find everything you need, and my voice is a bit tired today.

I've been talking a lot.

It feels like there's a lot of old

energy coming up in my life at the moment.

And I'm just meeting it all with as much grace as I can.

I suppose that's always the invitation is not what is

happening externally, but how do I meet what is happening?

How do I approach it? Am I taking it personally?

Am I making assumptions? Am I being impeccable with my

word? Am I doing my best?

For anyone who hasn't read the four agreements, highly recommend

you read that book.

It was recommended to me by my

dear, beloved Carly, my sweetheart, and love that book.

It's become such a good one in my life anyway.

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or where you are or how you are.

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Dot we are already free dot com forward slash review and that'll

allow you to open it in whichever apps choose my name is Nathan

Mainguard. It is a pleasure to walk this path

with you.

I'm going to go rest my voice now.

And I hope you enjoyed Kash Khan.

And we have so many beautiful

guests coming. And I'm just so honoured that I

get to share these conversations with you.

You're beautiful human crazy last fact.

A Wilding or a wildling is something that has escaped

captivity and returned to the wild.

So I think that those of us in this time who are choosing

awakening, it no matter how uncomfortable that can become at

times we are choosing to wake up and.

Own our sovereignty and own the remembrance and the responsibility

that we are already free.

We are wildings.

We are escaping captivity, returning to the wild, and growing

into the fullness of ourselves as we were always meant to be.

So beautiful.

Wilding, thank you for listening.

I'll see you next week.