Roxy Manning

Fertility fact or fertility fiction? Freezing your eggs guarantees you a baby later fiction.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

What if your Future husband is 90 years old and has one measly sperm?

Roxy Manning

That would be a problem. What do you think about these acupuncture treatments and things like that for fertility?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

That's not going to get you pregnant, but being calm, cool and collected during the time that you're trying to conceive is important.

Roxy Manning

Oldest person that you have seen conceive naturally?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

I think 48.

Roxy Manning

Okay. Lucky gal there.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Yeah, she won the lotto.

Roxy Manning

We always like to play a game, so would you be game?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Sure, let's play. I love games.

Roxy Manning

All right, perfect. This game is called Fertility fact or fertility fiction.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Okay, Love it.

Roxy Manning

So I'll give you a statement and you tell me if it's fact or fiction.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

All right.

Roxy Manning

You can't get pregnant naturally after 45.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Fiction. Some people can.

Roxy Manning

Yeah, some people can. You do hear those stories, you know. Freezing your eggs guarantees you a baby later fiction.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

There is no guarantee with freezing your eggs.

Roxy Manning

Okay. So you could freeze an amazing quality egg and it just doesn't implant or the pregnancy.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

What if your Future husband is 90 years old and has one measly sperm?

Roxy Manning

Yeah, that would be a problem.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Yep.

Roxy Manning

For pregnancy at least. Sperm quality doesn't decline until after 60.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Fiction. Sperm quality starts to decline around 40.

Roxy Manning

Oh, okay, this is interesting. So their men and women are on a similar trajectory as far as like the quality of the egg and sperm goes the decline.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

For men, it never stops. They continue to make sperm. But some men's sperm starts to decline around 40, but unlike women, it doesn't end. So you may have average sperm and be 60, but still have it.

Roxy Manning

Okay, so the quantity is still there. The quantity kind of never drops.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

They both drop. They both drop. Okay, but it's still usable and you can still make a kid with it.

Roxy Manning

Yeah, even a 90 year old. Like you're saying one sperm maybe does the trick.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Yep.

Roxy Manning

That's so interesting. IVF works the first time for most women.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Fact. Okay, so I think it depends on where you go, but I have a lot of patients that it does work the first time. Okay.

Roxy Manning

Oh, that's 84%, right?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

84%. Well, 84% of a transfer led to pregnancy. Sometimes it took two or three tries to get an embryo to go to a transfer. Okay, so there's two parts to ivf. Making of the healthy embryo and then the transfer of the embryo.

Roxy Manning

Okay. Which part is more harrowing or more difficult?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

That's a really good question. I think they both Are. The first part involves a lot of protocols and monitoring and timing. The second part takes a lot of skill with transfer and preparing of the lining and the way the technique you put an embryo. So they're both very, very one mess in either of them. And you have no pregnancy.

Roxy Manning

So it is like just. I mean, both have to be so exact.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Yes.

Roxy Manning

Okay. IUIs have a much lower rate of success than IVF.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Fact. Much lower.

Roxy Manning

Much lower. Is there a percentage?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

It depends on your age.

Roxy Manning

Okay. Is there an upper limit for iui, you think?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Well, our natural conception rates for women and their peak of fertility is about 25% per month.

Roxy Manning

Okay.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

You cannot. An IUI will help you get to that level again at. On its best day ever. And that's very, very rare. Yes.

Roxy Manning

Stress can ruin your chances of conception.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Trick, because it's complicated. Under the most stressful environments in the world, people have still gotten pregnant. But I believe, and I believe that stress can do anything, including keeping you from getting pregnant as well. So it's a yes and no.

Roxy Manning

What do you think about these acupuncture treatments and things like that for fertility?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

I think that if you're going to a good acupuncturist, that calms you down, makes you feel great, makes you feel reset, you should do it. That's not going to get you pregnant, but being calm, cool, and collected during the time that you're trying to conceive is important.

Roxy Manning

Okay. So just relax about it for as much as you can. Okay.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Yes.

Roxy Manning

Okay. You need 20 plus eggs to have a shot at pregnancy.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Statistic fact. So there are studies that have said that when you are 35 to 39 years of age, you should have 20 to 26 eggs to get a live birth.

Roxy Manning

Really?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

So that's just.

Roxy Manning

You conceive naturally, like if you try to do natural conception?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

No, that's. What if you're freezing an egg.

Roxy Manning

Oh, okay. Okay.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

So. So if you're freezing your eggs and you're 35 to 39 and you want to have one child, your goal should be around 20 eggs. Okay.

Roxy Manning

Should be around 20 eggs. Okay. And what is the oldest person that you have seen conceived naturally?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

I think 48.

Roxy Manning

Okay. Where it just. It just happened for. For them.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

They weren't just happened. Wow.

Roxy Manning

No treatments, nothing, huh?

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Yeah.

Roxy Manning

Well, lucky, lucky gal there.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Yeah, she won the lotto.

Roxy Manning

Thank you so much. I really appreciate you coming on.

Dr. Shahin Ghadir

Thank you. I loved being on. This was so much fun. Thank you so much.