All right, Carrie Bennett, welcome back to the

QVC podcast. You are one of our top regulars. I

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There's so many amazing people in this world who

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It's true. It's true. And. And people sharing

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moved by people who just refused to, you know,

accept where they're at and keep looking and

pushing to find new things. So for all the people

listening who are doing that, bless you. Welcome.

We're going to cover lots of fun stuff today with

Carrie. Okay, so I want to start off, as I often

do, just going back to the basics. I'm going to

send this episode out to a lot of people that I

have encountered lately who are feeling super

crap because it's flu season and it seems to have

just, like, taken over the world. Everyone I talk

to all over the place is sick or trying to get

over being sick or taking care of someone who's

sick. So let's just start with the foundational

health principles as we see them in our context,

obviously, in addition to whatever people

understand already about the importance of eating

healthy food and drinking quality water. But

let's just go over our special sauce here.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, first and foremost, I

also like to reframe the concept of being sick,

because it's actually an opportunity. When you

get a fever or when you develop mucus, it's an

opportunity for your body to get stuff out that

doesn't serve it, which may include an exposure

of some kind. Yes, that may have prompted the

illness in the first place, but it is an

opportunity. And then the question becomes, how

can we help the body resolve that beneficial

inflammatory cascade that is supporting our body

and getting rid of stuff through that lens? We

look at light first and how light affects

mitochondria, because that really, truly is an

important and still overlooked. Or maybe not

even. I mean, maybe the awareness isn't even

there yet in the collective conscious in terms of

how beneficial it can be to support our light

environment.

Right. Okay. That's really interesting. It's

funny. I was. So we, after experimenting with

places locally, decided a couple years ago to

invest in an infrared sauna, which we have our

little tent, our little sauna space, tent in the

garage. And so I. I usually put on a podcast and

leave it Outside of the tent and listen and sit

in there. And I was. This is a little out there

for some people, but I was listening to this

woman who is a. I don't know, I guess a psychic.

I don't know. But she was talking about how she

sees things energetically. So I'm sitting in the

sauna, like let it just like having all this, all

this mucus build up, you know, feeling the light

really helping with that. And this woman is like

talking about trauma and she's like, I don't know

why, but when I energetically, what spirit shows

to me that trauma looks like. It's like this very

mucusy kind of energy, like kind of viscous

energy. So you know, on an, on an esoteric level,

what you were just saying about like sometimes

our body needs to purge and go through these

things. It's not necessarily bad. So there's a

physical aspect to that. But I want. There's

probably also some woo woo aspects.

Oh sure, I agree. I can totally get on board with

that 100%. You know, I mean we, I think we

touched the tip of the iceberg, but we only talk

about the physical body. But I know that that's a

really interesting place for people. Started with

when it comes to how to support health. And so

let's dive into that mucus.

Right?

Or let's dive into that. Why am. Why is my body

trying to get stuff out or why do I even get a

fever? Well, our cells in order when they. When

there's something invading the cells, right. And

causing the cells to become dysfunctional. The

body is beautifully intelligent and the body says

this is not going to serve me if this stuff stays

here long term. And so there's things that we can

do to essentially push stuff out of the cell. And

through our lens. We talk about the building of

exclusion zones, water. And that's very lacking

these days, Meredith. You know, because of the

fact that we are not connected or frequently at

least the average, we, the average human being on

the planet who lives indoors the majority of the

day, we're not connected to the wavelength range

of light. Light that supports this exclusion

zone. Water inside of the cell. And so Dr.

Pollock's work. And for those of you who are not

familiar, Dr. Pollock, fourth phase of water, he

found that the water inside of our cells is

different. And we need this different phase of

water. It's not a liquid. It's actually a gelled

phase of water. And when it's in that gelled

phase and when it's adequate, like when we have

an adequate amount of it inside of the cell, then

that gel actually prevents, provides a base

barrier. It basically makes the membrane

selectively permeable. The cell can say, oh, I

know when a mineral or a nutrient is coming in

and I can let that in and go through a little

phase transition of water. The water temporarily

becomes more liquidy and says, come on in, and

then goes right back to being that gelled water.

But if we're in nowadays, we're in these

environments where we're likely going to be

deficient in this gelled water in the first place

and have more of that liquid fluidy water in the

research called bulk water. And when we do, we

actually make ourselves more opportunistic for

toxicity to get in and to cause these symptoms

that we're experiencing when we get the cold, the

flu, and when the body then says, okay, this

isn't serving me, so what do I do? Well, it's

trying to reestablish that gelled water again.

And so likely in the vast majority of people,

you'll oftentimes experience a fever. That's a

good sign. A fever is a good thing because a

fever is missing infrared. So as opposed to being

able to get that infrared from sunlight or even

from campfire like we would be getting, let's say

in the winter months, more so our body is

generating its own internal infrared as a means

of that reestablishing that gelled water. So it's

transforming that liquidy water and it's pushing

the liquid water out and reestablishing the

gelled barrier. And as the liquid water pushes

out, it pushes out the toxins. And those toxins

then can get into the lymphatic system that lives

around the exterior of the cells and the immune

system that lives around the exterior of the

cells to then be cleared by the body through the

various channels of elimination. And this is a

beneficial thing. So sometimes we just need a

little extra support to get that elimination

process. Maybe we need some added infrared. One

of the main ways that I've said this, I've done

this with mastitis. A lot of times I could feel

mastitis coming on. And for me at least it comes

on like A, like 0 to 60. And the first thing that

my body wants is heat. So I get in the hottest

shower I possibly can and just let that hot water

pour over my breast and I can literally feel my

body soaking in that infrared. And I've avoided

mastitis now full blown mastitis every single

time since I first originally got it and didn't

know what the heck it was. And so I know we can

use infrared as a means of supporting the body's

ability to get stuff out, because we can

reestablish that exclusion zone water. And not

only are we building that gelled water that is

now this beautiful barrier, that gelled water is

synonymous with a healthy cellular charge. Dr.

Pollack showed that that cellular water has a

negative charge, but that as we build exclusion

zone water inside of the cell, we're also

building it in our vessels, our blood vessels and

our lymphatic vessels. And Dr. Pollock's work

also showed that we need that charged water to

line our vessels to help support the fluid flow

through the lymphatic system and the circulatory

system. This is just the body kind of

understanding. We have this innate intelligence.

So if something's in the body that's invading the

cells, and we need to get it out. Thank you for

this fever body, because now you've not only

purged the toxins from the cells, but you've also

helped to reestablish flow to get this fully out

of the body, either through the lymphatic system,

filtering through the liver and the circulatory

system.

That is such a much more empowering way to look

at getting sick, because we really do. And I

still feel like this. Feel like I've done

something wrong, like I've failed in some way and

all. There's people being like, I'm so healthy,

I'd never get sick. And you're like, o I should

be like that. But actually, what you're saying is

getting the flu, getting a cold, spiking a fever,

this is a healthy body resetting itself.

Absolutely. And we're designed to have this

happen in the winter months independent of

pathogen exposure. They show seasonally in the

winter that our immune cells are more likely to

produce inflammatory molecules. As a means, when

inflammation is produced, things that are not

things that we don't want in our body anymore can

get cleared. We could either inactivate a

pathogen, or again, we can dump a bunch of nitric

oxide on something. And when we make nitric

oxide, water is also made to help re establish

that gelled water. So I have completely reframed

my take on illness, and it's like, wait, this is

an opportunity for my body to get stuff out. Now,

if it lingers for an extended period of time,

that's where it's like, I don't want to suppress

the symptoms, but what can I do to ultimately

support the full resolution of whatever this

process is that's going on in my body. And that's

where the key strategies that we talk about when

it comes to adequate sleep. But not only adequate

sleep, but building appropriate melatonin before

we fall asleep and when we're asleep can be a

full resolution for this. And so that's where

layering on strategies involving light at night

and blocking the artificial light at night can

play a big role here too.

Right. Okay. So these illnesses themselves are

part of a healthy body keeping itself in balance

and then diving down a little bit deeper. The way

that it's keeping our body healthy is by getting

rid of that kind of more liquidy water and

building back up what you're calling exclusion

zone water, which is the, the liquid crystal that

we're, we're made of, that if it's, we have in,

in an adequate levels will keep us vital, hold

the charge, keep us feeling energized, and do all

the things that our body is supposed to be able

to do in terms of creating hormones and making

everything work.

Yeah, absolutely. That's exactly it. Yep.

Okay, so. Okay, so then let's talk a little bit

more about this, you know, tending to our liquid

crystal. So you were talking about the importance

of, of our light exposure and our light routines

and how they affect this special water that is

inside almost all of our cells.

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so what I, a lot of

people think, oh, there's water inside of my

cell, then I have to, must have to drink a

certain water to maintain it. And I've not found

that to be the case. I have found that drinking

water, good quality water, is important,

important. But this gelled water inside of the

cell is maintained through water production in

the mitochondria, the forgotten byproduct of

mitochondrial metabolism. Right. We know that ATP

is made, but very few people recognize that how

important water is. Mitochondria are responsible

for both producing and recycling the water inside

of our cells in order to maintain a healthy,

healthy intracellular hydration. And these days

there's a lot of beautiful research that's being

done. I'm so grateful for the researchers who are

diving into this because they're showing that

certain wavelengths of light help the

mitochondria make that water, and certain

wavelengths of light inhibit the mitochondria

from making that water. So people are following

along here. If we inhibit that water production,

we essentially are going to be lacking in this

charged gelled water inside the cell and instead

allow just this kind of bulk water to take over.

And this lack of cellular charge, which is Just

synonymous with the lack of cellular vitality to

take hold as well. And it turns out that. Can I.

Are you cool with it if I keep going?

Okay, yeah, just, I just, just to clarify. So

when that the more liquidy water that we tend to

think of, when we think of water doesn't hold a

charge in the same way that, that this viscous

liquid crystal water does.

Correct.

So when that other liquidy water takes over, we

feel the end result is we feel depleted, we feel

low energy.

Right. And whether it's. Whether we physically

feel it or it's just taking place deep inside our

cellular terrain of a certain organ part of our

body that can, that can be true as well.

Okay.

And so that, that water that we would call the

liquidy water inside of us is also called bulk

water. And it's neutral. It doesn't, it doesn't

hold a charge in the same. And then this

negatively charged exclusion zone water is the

source of healthy intracellular voltage. Healthy

cells need approximately negative 30 to negative

50 up to negative 100 millivolts inside of the

cell. So that's just a cell that has a lot of

negative charge, which is again with vitality.

And when we don't have that, the drains of that

charge, it has to start to shut down a little

bit. It can't run all of its tasks. And when it

can't run all of its tasks, it has. It'll pick

and choose. But unfortunately over time, if we

can't run about all of our tasks over, over time,

it's like me like cleaning that if I'd like to

clean the house in all these different ways.

Right. But if over time I have to continuously

neglect the toilet toilets, you could imagine

what happens to the toilets. It's the same thing

inside of our cells. Our mitochondria are

responsible for making that water. That water is

our energy inside of the cell. And if the cell

doesn't have adequate energy, ultimately over

time certain tasks are just going to get

overlooked or they're just not going to get run.

And that will ultimately lead to cellular

dysfunction which we would express as a certain

system symptom depending on the organ system

that's affected.

Okay. And that would explain why it would be

different symptoms in different people. Right.

Like correct your toilets gets, gets ignored. But

in my house, like I'm hyper focused on the

toilets, but we never clean the kitchen. And so

we're going to have a different. So I might show

up with chronic fatigue and someone else might

show up with diabetes.

Absolutely. And some of this has to do with, for

example, we know that heavy metals or certain

toxins might have an affinity for certain cells

or certain organs compared to others. Aluminum in

the brain, for example. Right. So if I had maybe

over time a certain aluminum exposure that's

going to negatively impact the mitochondria

specifically in my brain. And so that's why that

might predispose me to feeling brain based

symptoms. But the process is the same in terms of

what's happening in the mitochondria. The toxic

associates might be different.

Okay. And so that's why the strategies that we're

now going to talk about are universal and

applicable to all of these symptoms. Because

we're going right to the level of the

mitochondria which are responsible for taking

care of everything and making all this exclusion

zone water that our body needs to function

properly.

And not only that, but when the mitochondria are

functioning well, like when they're very

efficient in their metabolic function of making

water natp, they're producing biophotons as well

as they do. That's healthy. Those biophotons get

sucked up by the DNA to help optimize gene

expression. So what proteins should be made, you

know, what should we be doing and prioritize,

prioritizing inside the cell. And also those

biophotons also go to the cell membrane and

outside of the cell to communicate to the immune

system that surrounds the cell. So all is

copacetic. Right. No need to get overly

aggressive with your inflammatory, you know,

cascades or anything like, like that. We're doing

okay. And so when the mitochondria start to

become dysfunctional, yes, the cellular charge

drains, but so does the communication with the

DNA. So that's. And so does the communication

with the immune system. So immune system is like

what's going on in here? Is there, is there

something, is there not? So that can look like

different pathologies, including all the way to a

pathology like cancer.

Right. And that similarly to what we were just

saying is why it shows up differently for

different people. That's the genetic component.

If I'm predisposed genetically to something and

my mitochondria are not functioning and able to

communicate, I'm going to flip the switch on that

cancer gene. Potentially.

Sure. Yes and no. I mean it doesn't have to be a

cancer gene that gets flipped on. And actually

that's a misnomer that the gym.

Okay, tell us.

Okay, so let's first, let's first, I want to

first talk about this, this anomaly that I don't

think People are very well aware of. And that's

when you, when a tumor is dissected and you know,

a pathologist is looking at the different cells,

let's say this tumor was from the breast. It's

not just going to have breast cells, it's going

to have cells that all of a sudden this looks

more like a liver cell, this looks more like a

hair follicle cell cell, this looks more like a

kidney cell. And all of those are. So it's

essentially this tumor is made up of just a bunch

of seemingly random cells that is a result of

lack of poor communication to the DNA. And so the

genes don't happen first, the gene changes don't

happen first. Something is triggering the genetic

changes to allow these cells to come together and

grow into this tumor. And that in my opinion, and

what I'm really liking about the research going

into cancer as of late is there's less emphasis

on the genome, there's more emphasis on what are

called the electrical properties of the cancer

cell. And then Dr. Pollack, just this past

August, he just put out this beautiful article

about how cancer cells are, are definitely

drained of this exclusion zone water. And so

connecting those dots right there means that step

one, something might create mitochondrial

dysfunction, which we know is a hallmark of

cancer. And we can go into all these steps. I

just want to lay the overview. When, when

mitochondria are dysfunctional, the cancer cells

no longer allow the mitochondria to make energy.

So instead they do a secondary, like, almost

survival energy pathway in the cytosol, the

gelled water. It's called a Warburg metabolism.

They form glucose in it, which is a little bit of

ATP and they produce a very, you know, lactate

rich environment. Can you imagine now that if you

have a cell that's full of acid, like this

lactate rich cell, that cell is going to continue

to drain of charge. So you're not replenishing

the water through the mitochondria and you're

depleting the charge through a typical cancer

metabolism called a Warburg metabolism. If the

mitochondria are not in charge either, they're

not making biophotonic communication to the DNA.

So this cell has lost its identity. This is a

cell that says, am I a breast cell, Am I a liver

cell, Am I an eye cell? And so it starts to de.

Differentiate, which is another hallmark feature

of cancer cells. They lose that identity. Now the

immune system, cancer cells have a very

interesting capability to coat the tumor and

themselves with something that's called sialic

acid. Which is a common feature in the

extracellular environment, but just not. But it's

just way more aggressive in cancer cells. So now

we're not communicating. The photonic

communication is not happening with the immune

system. So the immune system thinks everything's

okay. And meanwhile, the mitochondria, who, if

the ship is sinking, if this cell is going under,

the mitochondria are responsible for initiating a

programmed cell death called apoptosis. And

again, they can't do it. And so it sets this

stage for this environment where now the cells

can divide uncontrollably. And the last step in

that is that naturally, when natural cell

division takes place, which is happening all the

time in our body, the cell will naturally flip

from this gelled, negatively charged water to

neutral liquid water. Because things have to

move. Right. That gelled water doesn't allow as

much free movement, but when it quickly flips to

a liquid state, temporarily, it allows for these

spindles to form, for the cell to kind of pull

its components into two different parts, and for

those then two cells to divide. And then the

gelled water's supposed to be reestablished. And

that doesn't happen because the cell gets the

signal to divide uncontrolled.

Oh, okay. So the immune system has been walled

off and is not helping.

Correct. And the mitochondria can't signal to

them, they can't initiate apoptosis.

And so the mitochondria can't kill off the cells

that they should be because they can't

communicate with the immune system. So they do

their little flippening from the liquid crystal

structured, easy water to the bulk water, which

is supposed to be temporary in the healthy

process. And then it gets stuck there. Correct.

It stays in that. So we lose all the benefits of

the liquid crystal structured water. Correct. At

the same time enabling the cancer cells to

replicate. So we lose the healthy, beneficial

things, Parts of the mitochondria While creating

an environment for the bad stuff to flourish.

Correct.

Oh, my God. Sorry. I don't mean to take the

lord's name in vain. Oh, my goodness. Okay. I

haven't, like, heard it laid out quite that

clearly. Thank you. Just gonna process how. What

we're doing to ourselves in this world. Okay.

The aha moment for me was listening to Jerry lay

this out so I could tell he was working on a

paper about this when I met him in. Back in April

at Tracy's hydrate summit. And he laid out that

even in that, like, cells number one are supposed

to undergo this. This transition temporarily from

negatively charged gelled water to bulk water

during mitosis or cell division. But when cells

get drained of it and they can't re establish

that charge, it's not always malignant tumors,

even benign tumors can form in terms of this. So

it's just the off switch isn't there? And if I

take this then a step further, I think to myself,

okay, so cancer cells undergo classically are

undergoing what's called a Warburg metabolism,

meaning they're. Anyone who's ever unfortunately

had to go through this, you oftentimes get what's

called a PET scan, where you have this, what's

called radio labeled or like flu fluorescent

glucose. And they basically image the body to see

where is this glucose being hoarded. And so the

glucose gets hoarded into these cancerous cells

because those cancerous cells are taking the

glucose and instead of making 32 ATP like would

happen if the glucose was going through the

natural metabolism through the mitochondria

instead, each glucose is only making to ATP. So

they have to hoard it. Hoard it, hoard it. That

ATP is used in some capacity in the cell to

support this cancerous environment because they

only want to make two, but they want to make this

lactic acid, right, which helps them evade the

immune system, you know, keep the cell kind of in

this dysfunctional state. But the reason why we

need ATP in the first place in a healthy cell is

that when we have healthy amounts of ATP, that

ATP helps to pull potassium into the cell to help

keep it negatively charged. So again, another

hallmark of cancer cells is they don't have

enough intracellular potassium. And they thought

that what the research has been saying is, but

wait, these, technically we test potassium status

in these people and we don't see a lack of

potassium. It's not like a potassium deficiency.

But what people don't realize is that potassium

has almost like this magnetic pull to proteins

that are in their correct configuration, which is

an elongated state inside of the cell. And they

can only get into that elongated state when ATP

binds to them. When ATP binds to proteins inside

of the cell, it pulls them into their healthy

elongated state. And then the potassium goes, oh,

there's a spot for me to bind. There's a spot for

me to bind. And so it gets essentially it's

called adsorbed. But I just like view it as like

a magnetic suction gets suctioned into the cell

naturally. So again, we don't have to invoke

sodium potassium pumps here because that's not

what's happening. There's a natural adsorption of

potassium into the cell in order to stick to

these proteins in their elongated state. But

adequate ATP is required for that. And so again,

now the. Now the cell can't. It has another

whammy, if you will, in its ability to

reestablish healthy charge, because part of the

charge is the potassium inside of the cell,

Helping to keep that gelled water in the correct

amount.

Okay. All right. So in addition to having

communication with the immune system be shut

down, and in addition to losing that easy water

that is required for optimal functioning,

flipping into the bulk water that's meant to be

temporary, that is not optimal, that sets the

stage for the cancer cells to flourish. Now,

we're also seeing that those cancer cells are

less efficient at making ATP, so they hoard

glucose, but that downgrading of ATP production

means they're not attracting the potassium. So

they're also deficient. So the mitochondria is

now also deficient in this much. In this needed.

What do you call potassium nutrient or.

Yeah, I mean, it's a nutrient that's needed for

the proteins to function in the body.

Okay, so now that's another layer of dysfunction.

Correct.

When you lay it out like that, you see people

suffering with cancer and how quickly and

horrible it can be. Like there's just so many

things going wrong.

Okay, there's so many things going wrong. And

here's another interesting thing, because you'll

see these studies that say, you know, 100% of

this type of cancer is associated with parasite

or fungal infection. And so what's fascinating is

that. Yes, but did the parasite and fungal

infection cause the cancer? Or do we now have

pleomorphic opportunistic entities inside of the

body that are helping to clear the damage

surrounding the cancer? And that's what's

happening. Right. These cells, they do try to

secrete, treat stuff, they kick stuff out.

There's. They have fragmented things. They're

trying to get rid of these dysfunctional proteins

inside of them. Right. And the fungal infection

or the parasites are there to help to clear that.

But, but at some point that can also overwhelm

the body. And so that's where you might see

certain antifungals or anti parasitics that have

been used in cancer treatments. A cancer

treatment strategy. But I still highly encourage

people. Yeah, you might need to give the body a

bit of a clearance of these opportunistic

pathogens, but they're not the bad guys. And

they're not ultimately necessarily going to

resolve, completely resolve the situation. We

have to understand how to build back this

Exclusion zone water and make these mitochondria

functional again.

Okay, so it sounds like in terms of both cancer

prevention and treatment, our goal, not giving.

Yes, sorry. Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't use

that word. And you know, whether you want to

prevent cancer or whether you want to optimize

yourself, no matter what state you're in, we

really want to focus on tending to this water.

Correct. This liquid, liquid crystal exclusion

zone structured water. It has some. Lots of names.

Correct.

And just people do hear, excuse me, different

terms being thrown around. We're all. We're

talking about the same type of water. Okay.

Yes. And so but this is why, right. Like, again,

it's like, okay, is there any instances where

things that rebuild this exclusion zone water,

which one of the main things is infrared

exposure? Are there any instances where infrared

exposure has been used to. Historically to affect

cancer. Cancer cells? Yes. Right. There is a

therapy that I don't believe it's approved of in

the United States, but there's something called

mistletoe therapy where, you know, mistletoe

essentially gets typically injected into the body

and it can stimulate a very high fever in people.

Like mistletoe, like the plant.

Like the plant.

Like kiss under it at Christmas. Okay, correct.

And I mean, that's also not just with mistletoe,

but when you look at the case studies of

spontaneous remission, a lot of times you will

see a spontaneous remission take place

immediately following a period of high fever. And

so it's like, you know, it becomes like, you

know, it's easy if you only. It's easy to be

like, oh, well, yep, the immune system was just

doing its thing until you're like, oh, but wait,

fever's infrared. And is it possible that the

body really needed an adequate amount of infrared

exposure to be able to clear. Clear whatever in

the cell and to re establish healthy gelled

water? I think that's the case. You also now see

this targeted treatment, again, not medical

advice at all. But I want people to know that

what the options and what's out there. I think, I

think knowledge is important. I think informed

consent is very important. And so there is

something called targeted hyperthermia, which is

where they will target general just the tumor.

Like they, like they figured out with targeted

radiation. But they'll target just the tumor with

high, high heat again, that, that inactivates,

basically it halts the cancer cells from grow

proliferating anymore because you've given the

signal to stop dividing. They're not going to.

They're not saying that in the Literature. And so

this is. This is just me kind of like working

through this, but you start to see these common.

I don't know, I just feel like reading the cancer

literature starts to make so much more sense when

you look at it from this viewpoint.

Right, so the mistletoe therapy, is that being

done like in. In Europe or.

It was being done in Europe last time.

Okay.

Into it. Yes.

Okay.

I believe in South America as well. Yeah.

All right, so there are some sort of like cancer

treatments available probably outside of the

mainstream medical establishment of most

countries that most of us live in. But it is

available and it has been developed in order to

bring infrared into the system and to help with

cancer as a very specific treatment.

And I don't know if it was designed to bring

infrared into the system, but just the

observation was, oh, look, when there's this

amount and intensity of infrared, whether it's

self generated through the immune system,

producing a fever, or whether it's exogenously

applied, oh, look what happens. It's beneficial

to the person.

Right.

It ultimately helps them with, you know,

survival, remission, whatever data points they're

looking at.

Okay, so I want to bring up a case study with. Of

a woman who I interviewed called Diana Wanna. And

she had cancer. She was in hospice, basically.

Again, I'm not recommending people do this.

Please go listen to the interview with Deanna.

She's a highly, highly trained scientist and was

making her choices based on years and years of

research and experience. I am just sharing what

she chose to do and what the effect was. And

maybe you can help break, break down a little bit

what happened. So she had basically been told

that she was dead. And she, as a last ditch

effort, flew to Mexico and went on the beach

every day in the morning and then spent the

whole. And then spent most of the day soaking in

a cenote, like an underground cave. Underground

cave, water. Then going on the beach again in the

evening and then sleeping and. Well, she's still

here. So within a week she had recovered some

strength and was sort of on. Was sort of on the

road to recovery again. I'm just. This is a story

that was shared with me. Please, it's not advice.

This is just what happened with Deanna. So could

you explain how those choices, through the lens

of what you've just explained to us, how those

choices could have affected her outcome?

Yeah, absolutely. Number one, that light on. Let

me just put it this way. Being connected to

earth, whether it's through bare feet on the sand

or in water, has been shown to build Exclusions

on water. So build this gelled water so has

exposure to things like the Schumann resonance,

which, you know, obviously she would have gotten

a very good exposure if she was there

continuously. And people are like, but the

Schumann resonance is always there. Yes, but our

modern indoor living makes it harder for us to

sense that signal because we've got all of this.

Number two, there's a huge circadian component to

this that we haven't talked about yet, because

there is a really strong correlation between

circadian rhythm disruption and cancer. And so

what she was doing was the, you know, what I

would say the quintessential day for resetting

your circadian rhythm, which is get that morning

light to tell your brain the morning has started.

You optimize hormone balance there. You optimize

immune function. You optimize digestion. You do

so many beautiful things there. And then being in

a cenote, she's still outside getting that

natural light signal. And then if she was again

on the beach singing the song, she was really

hoping to signal that the day has ended. So her

body was making more melatonin, potentially way

more melatonin, than she'd ever made because of

our modern living, how it depletes us of

nighttime melatonin. And then, you know, that

recovery period at night with that melatonin.

Melatonin is not something we've touched on here,

but it's key in this as well, which is because,

number one, melatonin helps the mitochondria to

run apoptosis, but also, which should help to,

you know, oh, now I can recognize that this cell

is dividing uncontrollably, and I can try to do

something about it, but that's the melatonin

that's secreted by the pineal gland at night, and

that's only 5% of our body's melatonin. 95% of

melatonin we make is throughout the day in

response to infrared, specifically near infrared

light. And by being outside like that, she was

always surrounding herself with near infrared

light. And so this is where that near infrared

light produces melatonin inside of the cell to

help clear damage inside of the cell, to help

restore mitochondria to their healthy

functioning, to help wipe out whatever has been

ravaged the cell from the cancerous metabolism.

And so what? One of the preeminent researchers in

the world, actually, I'm gonna say two now,

because I love Scott Zimmerman, too. But Scott

Zimmerman and Russell Ryder, who are both really

now diving into the melatonin aspect of being

generated through near infrared light, they

showed through both a study like that, but also a

nighttime darkness exposure that if you have

adequate melatonin inside the cell, you can shut

down the Warburg metabolism, you, you can help

the mitochondria regain control of the

metabolism. They can start to make that water

again. Adequate ATP, pull the potassium back into

the cell. That water can become that healthy

negative charge as well. And so melatonin is a

huge component here. And yes, we think, well, let

me take it, but it's way better for the body to

make it, because when we make it, we make it

inside side of the cells in response to infrared

light, specifically near infrared light. When we

take it, it has to go into the bloodstream first.

It has to get into the cell. And so I highly,

highly encourage people to kind of look at this

aspect of near infrared light exposure,

maximizing melatonin production. And that's also

interesting because in the photobiomodulation

research, the red light therapy research, in

which near infrared light is a prominent

wavelength range that they isolate in these red

light therapy panels, originally, and again, not

medical advice, but originally they were hesitant

to say, let's use red light therapy maybe as a

support for cancer because we don't want to help

these cancer cells get any more metabolically

active. But what they're now showing is that, but

wait a second, it looks as though we're actually

helping the mitochondria recover the healthy

metabolic function again. And tip of the iceberg

in terms of the research. Research. But I'm not

surprised by that in terms of the ability of the

mitochondria to take that melatonin and heal the

cell. And then not only is that subcellular

melatonin healing the cell, but that near

infrared light also, that is the wavelength range

of light that's needed for the mitochondria to

make water more effectively and ATP more

effectively again. So you're really providing the

body with some major things that it needs in

order to try to naturally hear, heal and get rid

of whatever was ultimately causing the, the

mitochondrial dysfunction in the first place.

Wow. It's a, it's amazing how important, how,

how, how important this light is. Yes. And all

the things that it's doing. And so, so it's not

just helping our bodies to create the exclusion

zone, liquid crystal structured water that we

need. It's also stimulating this other, this kind

of melatonin that we make, not the nighttime

melatonin, the other kind of melatonin. And that

melatonin is healing the cancer. And it has, that

melatonin is turning off that Warborg. Warburg,

yeah.

Metabolism, doctor.

Where they can't. Where it's stopping the ATP

from being made properly and hoarding glucose,

which shuts that off.

They call it like literally a crazy.

Holy crap.

A quote from Dr. Reiter's published paper was. He

called it. He called it part time cancer. So they

showed that when you give adequate darkness

exposure at night, the cancer cells are no longer

in their Warburg metabolism. They can start to

recover healthy metabolic function at night. Now,

my thing would be, okay, likely the cells and

whatever was being studied, whether it was in

mice or in a petri dish in vitro, what if not

only did we give adequate darkness exposure at

night for melatonin production from the pineal

gland, but then we also bathed these animals, say

in the appropriate near infrared exposure during

the day. Would that make an additional difference

in recovering cells from that Warburg metabolism,

again allowing the cells to regain healthy

mitochondrial function? What if then we also had

adequate mid. Far infrared, right. Which is the

type of infrared we generate with. With fever. So

basically the infrared we feel is heat, which

would be getting from sunlight or campfire. What

if, then we also gave those mice that exposure so

that they could have that gelled charged water

recovered as well? What would that look like? I

mean, there's also anecdotal. I mean, there's an.

Anecdotally. Then there's a. There was a. An

actor on a large podcast recently, recently who

said he had four friends who had cancer and they

took a couple of different things. But

interestingly, methylene blue can fall into that

list because methylene blue, again, not medical

advice, but again, methylene blue specifically

addresses the mitochondria. It gives them

adequate electron donation and holds them in a

healthy configuration to again, be efficient in

terms of. It's like they can regain metabolic

function in that capacity. So, yeah, I mean,

it's. I just want this, my whole point of this,

again, it's not medical advice. I just want to

empower people to think about this a little bit

differently. Again, personal choice is personal

choice. But enough people have found that they've

had a certain cancer gene and decided to do what

I would consider to be fairly drastic

interventions out of fear to say, oh, I got the

gene. And I'm thinking, is it the presence of the

gene or is it these other dysfunctions, like you

said, that ultimately confuse the DNA so that

that gene can express itself?

Right.

And I think that's really more likely what it is.

I think that we need to recognize how empowered

we can be when it comes to this story. And this

isn't just cancer. What we're talking about here,

Warburg metabolism happens in other pathologies.

It's been studied in Alzheimer's disease,

disease, Parkinson's disease, I mean, autoimmune

conditions. And so what we're talking about here

is not just specific to cancer likely. This is at

play in every single disease state that we know,

just to differing degrees. And that drainage of

cellular charge reaches a certain point where it

becomes. Where it becomes actually positively

charged. A cancerous cell is no longer negatively

charged, it's positively charged. And so that's

where we start to see the proliferation taking

place, that growth taking place. But this is

likely happening in every disease state that we

now know of.

Wow. So the good news of that is that the

strategies to heal and optimize the mitochondria

are also going to help with every disease. And so

that is sleeping and completely complete

darkness. Like, even. Because, yeah, there was

that recent paper where they showed Alzheimer's

was much higher prevalence in areas where there

was a lot of outdoor artificial light at night,

which is crazy. Okay, so sleeping in darkness and

then being exposed to natural sunlight throughout

the day.

Correct.

And so when you talked about infrared, near

infrared, mid infrared, for somebody who is not

going to be able to be outside all day long. So

we could. We could, you know, like Deanna's

story. She's like, I'm about to die. I'm just

going to go somewhere where I can be outside all

day long and see what happens. So for people who

are maybe more of a preventative phase or not

quite in, like, in a crisis point, but they can't

be outside all day because it's freezing cold or

they're working or whatever, do. Okay, so two

questions. Does red light therapy help with this?

And second of all, does sauna help? Does the

heating up in a sauna sort of mimic what happens

when you get a fever, or is that a different

process?

No, I mean, I think it's fair to say that, number

one, protect your melatonin at night. We can all

do that with blue blockers and blackout curses,

curtains, you know, things like that. So that's

number one. But when it comes to this kind of

mimicking the sun exposures when we can't get

outside. Yeah. I do believe, just based on my

clinical experience of seeing people who are

healing themselves from various conditions, that

appropriate red light therapy, which. Or

adequate, I should say, red light therapy and

sauna are beneficial. They absolutely are. Can I

say that, that if you sauna for 20 minutes at 140

degrees Fahrenheit every day, that that's all,

you know, that's all you're going to need. I

mean, I can't say that I can't make those

correlations, but what I can say is I absolutely

know that when we get into the sauna, we're

soaking up that infrared to build exclusion zone

water. And that's a very beneficial thing to do.

I can also say that when we're exposing our

bodies to that red and near infrared red light of

red light therapy panels, we're helping that

mitochondria, water and ATP production very

beneficial. We're making subcellular melatonin

very beneficial. But then it comes down to there

are other things at play. Like I said, what's our

toxin exposure like, what is our non native EMF

exposure like? Because that can also create

mitochondrial dysfunction. And even not to

underestimate, you know, trauma based mechanisms

as well, my belief is that trauma really can also

impact mitochondria in a negative way in terms of

making them less able to be as efficient as they

might need to be. So there might be other things

at play here, but I don't see why it would ever

be a bad strategy to say, block the artificial

light at night, go outside, whatever. You can

have a red light therapy panel and sauna at your

disposal if it's financially feasible to allow

you to allow those cells to thrive at the

mitochondrial level as best as possible.

Right. And so that these would be like

foundational practices that, you know,

historically would have just been how we lived.

We wouldn't have had an option. We didn't have

artificial light at night and we were mostly

outside during the day. Like up until probably

the industrial revolution there was whatever you

did in life would require a lot of outdoor

exposure, walking around, just doing gardening,

farming. Anyway, time you had to go anywhere you

would go, you would be outside. Yeah.

And there wasn't window glass that was blocking

the infrared and ultraviolet. We still used

animal hides for our shoes. So we weren't just

ever disconnected from earth's electrons except

maybe when we were sleeping out of bed indoors,

you know, I mean, so like anytime outside we

would have been connected. It's just, you know,

we've essentially systematically, progressively

divorced ourselves from these things. And it's to

the detriment of our mitochondria, to the

detriment of our cellular charge, to the

detriment of our circadian rhythm. And it, it's

not, it doesn't take a lot to regain, you know,

connection back to these things, it just takes

the awareness.

Right. And so when we talk about doing these

things, it's not like, oh, this crazy biohacking.

It's like we're just restoring our body to the

environment and the connection to natural rhythms

that it needs to thrive. Just like you would need

to put a seed in the earth and water it and give

it sunlight if you expected it to grow. And it

wouldn't be a big mystery if you took those

things away. It died. Correct. Okay. So that's

sort of the foundational piece in terms of light

and darkness. Then you talked about in our modern

world. So there's kind of a couple pieces, right?

Like there's the way that we've disconnected

ourselves from nature and nature feeds, keeps our

bodies optimal. But then we're also then

assaulting our bodies with different types of

toxins in our, in our food, in our water and in

our, in the air with the EMFs. So how is that

then layering on in terms of what you've already

explained?

Well, I mean, all of those things are just

driving mitochondrial dysfunction, Right. They're

changing our gelled water. So again, and Jerry

Pollack is amazing, right. I think he's really

just. I love where he's going with all of his

research. And what he showed a while ago now was

that, yes, we need this gelled water for cellular

health, but, oh, guess what? Glyphosate prevents

that gelled water from forming to the best

extent. Glyphosate also, not through Jerry's

work, but we know glyphosate also is

mitochondrial toxic. Oh, heavy metals impair the

ability to form that gelled water to the adequate

extent. Oh, by the way, heavy metals can also

harm the mitochondria. Fluoride, let me think. So

the heavy metals, glyphosate, fluoride, likely

microplastics, non native EMFs, all of these

things we know they affect both. It's likely that

the intersection of what truly makes something a

toxin is it both impairs exclusions on water from

forming to the adequate extent and impairs the

mitochondria. And again, over time. The cool

thing about the cool thing about our bodies is

that, number one, we can make new mitochondria

called mitochondrial biogenesis. And we do that

to what are called hormetic stressors. So it

could be exercise, it could be sauna, it could be

a cold plunge, it could be some different types

of aggressive, like almost say aggressive, but

different breath work techniques. We can make

nesting. Right. We can make mitochondria new

mitochondria. The other thing is, is that, so

those mitochondria then if they were getting

dysfunctional and we make them, okay, that's

great, we'll keep those. Let's say we still have

some dysfunctional functional mitochondria in an

area. The cell has to reach a really critical

threshold of about, you know, let's say 70 to 80%

of its mitochondria being very dysfunctional

before pathologies really start to take hold. So

it's not like, oh, I drank a little fluoridated

water at my friend's house because I know they

don't filter it and I'm out of luck. It's like,

no, you know, so I don't want this to be a fear

based mindset either because we are resilient

bodies and we really can withstand a lot. And so

I don't, I actually think, and I have seen this,

that fear based perfectionist mindset can

actually be as detrimental, if not so more

detrimental than having a, having a glass of tap

water every once in a while. You know, so, and so

I really think that we have to kind of balance

this out as well to recognize, yes, toxins are

there, yes, likely they both impact exclusion

zone water and the mitochondria. But we're making

new mitochondria. But we have light and darkness

as a means of clearing up damaged mitochondria,

supporting healthy mitochondria. And so I think

if we can just kind of think about it as a,

toxins are there, but let's not fear them. Let's

do the best we can to be resilient against them

and support healthy mitochondria. That goes a

long, long way.

Right. And so the practices that we talked about,

especially with the light, light and darkness

blocking artificial light at night, are

supporting us to have healthy mitochondria and

structured water, which makes us more resilient

to these toxins. So we want to lower them to the

best of our ability, but not to the point where

we are living in fear. Especially with EMFs like

WHO cell tower? Like, I can turn my wi fi off at

night, but I can't move the cell tower. That's in

my neigh. Yeah.

If you're wearing a wireless technology on your

body or have it have something wireless near your

physical body for extended periods of time

throughout the day, consider doing something

different. So the watches, the AirPods, the cell

phone, consider just taking those away from your

body. Consider hardwiring your workstation if you

can, and positioning your bed In a way where

you're not next to the WI fi router, right. And

that's as far away from you as possible. And

those little things actually can go a long way

towards giving the mitochondria relief from those

non native EMFs so that they can kind of recover

healthy functioning.

Perfect. Amazing. And again like fairly, fairly

simple. This is, you know, unless you want to

invest in a red light panel or infrared sauna.

I've been encouraging that lately. Like I just,

when I first wanted to try, I put IFR sauna into

Google Maps and else there was like a little

sauna place in the next town over. I could rent a

room for half an hour with like a little phone

booth. You know, there's lots of, you know, lots

of probably options for that. But with the

exception of those things, like this is all, none

of this is, is expensive or difficult. We just

have to think about it and do it. Okay, so one

last question I wanted to ask, like on the

toxins, the glyphosate, the fluoride, those have

been coming up in, in the mainstream media a lot

lately. I spent a lot of time on, maybe more time

than I should on Twitter, like evaluating where

the conversation is at. And I have seen some very

smart, open minded people who are not like this

is all crap. Like they, they do their research,

they do some research and their, their question

was like, you know, it's such a small amount,

it's like X number of parts per million, like why

are we making such a, such a fuss about this? And

of course my thought is like they don't

understand. They're not taking the biology down

to it to the level that you need to, to

understand why this is a problem. So if you could

just speak to that argument for.

Absolutely. And so it's correct, these are small

exposures, but these chemicals have never been

studied with small exposures for the duration

that we're using them or being exposed to them in

conjunction with thousands of other chemicals at

small exposures. And so perhaps a little bit of

fluoride in a mouse study that was done for her

long mouse study would be like 12 weeks, right.

Didn't show any changes. But what about that?

Giving those mice fluoride plus glyphosate in

their feed, plus microplastics and heavy water,

plus food dyes, plus irradiating their cage with

non native EMFs, plus extending that study

throughout their full lifespan, what would that

look like? And so what we're doing, unfortunately

what we're doing with those things is we're

thinking that they all exist in isolation and

they absolutely don't. I mean, I think the

average baby, when you study the cord blood, is

born with something like 300 chemicals in the

bloodstream. So you can't say that we're looking

at these things in isolation. We just aren't

because of things like statistics like that. And

so now we have to say, okay, maybe it's not just

one thing, but maybe it's the aggregation of all

of these things and how they accumulate over

time, which I think is the case, that's

ultimately resulting in the unfortunate health

detriment that we see these days in our, in our

modern society. And so that's, that's would be my

reply to that. And also that there is a lot of

research that shows that the mitochondria, when

you study the function of the mitochondria

isolate these chemicals, they absolutely,

absolutely create toxicity in the mitochondria at

small doses.

Right. And it's like my understanding, like

through the quantum lens, it's like the amount is

not what matters.

Right.

You can have a asymmetric effect from a small,

small amount. And it's like a more kind of

Newtonian thought process to be like, oh well,

it's just such a tiny little bit. What does it

really matter?

Yeah, yeah. There's so much. Our body is non

linear and, but we're, we're very linear in our

thinking. Like we need more or something for

something to be impactful or less of something.

And that's not the case. Sometimes the stimulus,

the small stimulus is all that's needed, like you

said, to kickstart a chain of events that

ultimately leads to some, some form of a disease.

And again, not fear, I don't want fear with that.

Yeah, but that's where you kind of have to see

the limitations in how we're studying and viewing

things like chemical exposure.

Right, right. And then to wrap, we'll bring it

back to the great good news is why, like there's

so much that we can do once we understand all of

these things that you have so beautifully laid

out for us, so much that we can do. So could you,

do you have any like stories or case studies to

share of like people that you've worked with or

heard about who applied these strategies in any

capacity. It could have been like, even for

something small, you know, I, I personally

applied all of these because, you know, I had

what I now realize was early stage chronic

fatigue. I can't believe people suffer for it for

so long. I was like, I Couldn't take it. But you

know, and I absolutely found a huge change in,

you know, like it changed my life. It really did.

You know, it's hard. This might sound weird, but

I've got, I've had so many people, right. I'm

just blessed to work with so many people both one

on one, but also in my private community. The

private community has been fun because, you know,

you get to see people for years, like in a row

and it's like, it's like you hear time and time

again, well, my doctor can't believe that this

is, you know, this is where I'm at right now. You

know, when I was told that I, I would never get

to this point. And even if it's not a doctor

validating a disease like that, a disease

condition is improving. Sometimes it's little

tiny things like, oh my gosh, I didn't realize

that hydrogen rich water is something that my

body just needs. I need that redox support with

this. And now all of a sudden I actually feel for

the first time in my life that my body is moving

in the right direction. I actually had a, had a

community member who was take, who started taking

some hydrogen rich water, which is not something

we talked about here. We'll have to come back on

and do that. But it is another one of those

things that supports, like you said, like I said,

there's not one way to support healthy

mitochondria. This is another way that you can.

And her body developed a fever for the first time

in two years. And we're talking about a very

chronic debilitating disease progression that

she'd been, been under and this particular

community member, you know, normally people would

be like, oh no fever. It's like, and, and this

was being celebrated. It's like, yay. Now you've

given your body the adequate charge it needs to

start to clear stuff and push stuff out. You're

reestablishing exclusion zone water. And so it

could be as big as like a full reversal of

chronic fatigue or digestive issues or people

with cancers, neurocognitive things like you

could see like a huge shift. But you can also

celebrate these tiny little wins along the way as

well. Just to show that these are the things that

you give your body the correct stimulus. It will

do what it needs to do with that added energy and

support to continue the healing and hopefully

bring that healing to full circle into just a

thriving state of health. So you know, gosh,

there's so many like I have in my mind right now

that have just been riding this process out and

would never turn around and think, oh, what a

waste of time. Because it really truly. You see

them years from where they started and they just

look and act and seem like different people.

Wow. Yeah. It's so amazing. And yes, we'll have

to do a hydrogen water one. And what I find so

cool, what I've seen and experienced myself too,

is that it's like when you have like, like a.

Found a foundational, Understand how to have like

a foundational practice or live your life in a

way that's generally supportive of mitochondria,

then you can start to experiment and see, like,

oh, you know, then you do maybe homeopathy or we

were talking about earlier sound healing or

there's something. Or the hydrogen water or

there's. There's some other key that we find that

is just what we personally specifically needed as

opposed to what we've been talking about, which,

like, everybody needs. That was our body was

crying out for our biology, our history in some

way needed that. And now it's able to do its job

with that extra. That extra piece because we're

functional underneath.

Exactly. Again, I'll say this time and time

again, the foundation is light, right? Yes. There

is a mindset component to it. Yes, I understand

nervous system. Right. But all of those things

are supported when you have the light environment

in place. When the light environment's in place,

the mitochondria are healthier. When the

mitochondria are healthier, the charge inside of

the cell is healthier. When that's healthier,

then the cell has the energy it needs, needs to

run all of its processes. And so this is why time

and time again, I've seen people make some minor,

seemingly minor changes in light. Like you said,

morning light exposure and blocking the

artificial light at night and all of a sudden

have a profound effect on their body in a short

period of time because their body then is taking

that energy and information and just doing so

much beneficial stuff with it. So I hope this

encourages people to continue to explore this

path here of light and light's effect on the

mitochondria and the water production inside of

us.

Yes. Carrie, thank you so much. As usual, this

was fantastic and I learned so many things.

Carrie is@carrieb wellness.com she has a

membership. If you want her ongoing support and

peer support to implement this in all of these. I

was going to say strategies, but it's just really

like to change your way of life. And Carrie, do

you have anything else going on or coming up you

want to share about?

Well, you know, I mean by the time this comes

out, I think my cancer web, my live cancer

webinar will already have occurred. But it takes

this stuff, right? And in a small private session

like that with a small group of people, I can

really dive deeper, deeper into it. So if you're

interested in learning about specifically things

like the charge of cancer cells versus healthy

cells or you know, what's happening at the level

of the mitochondria there at an even deeper level

that's going to be available for purchase on my

website at this point.

Amazing. So the cancer webinar. Okay, yeah. That

would, you know, if you have cancer is affecting

your life in any way, this would, I would really

recommend to, to go to Kerry's webinar because we

really just. This is a great intro, but it'll be

really worth diving into if this is something

that you need to, that you're dealing with on a

day to day basis. And then also coming up in June

2025, you are hosting a retreat.

That's so exciting. So June 26th and 27th in

Franklin, Tennessee which is just south of

Nashville. We've got this one hundred and sixty

acre pristine rock quarry. Natural, natural

water, you know, obviously tons of acreage of

just trails. The venue itself will allow for open

door, natural light. So like no stuffy

conference. It's a combination of learning and

experiential. Just getting together with all of

us. Fun. You know, I'll call us nerds. But you

know, just in this space, people really just want

to improve, embrace this stuff and learn more

about it and then just share our enthusiasm for

it. So that's on my website as well@carrieb

wellness.com.

That sounds amazing. Yeah. And to those of you

who leave beautiful messages and comments about

how impactful this podcast is for you, first of

all, thank you. And second of all, go to Carrie's

retreat. There is something about seeing people

in real life that changes the energy of your

intention and makes everything so much easier. I

think this is true. Whether it's for health or

business or learning a new language, you know,

whatever it is, that is a focus for your life. If

you can get around other people who are on the

same page in a positive way, that is a huge, huge

thing. And it's one of those things. I think the

benefits of going to a, a retreat like that, they

stay with you, right? It's like they put you,

they shift you to a new place and that's your new

place. So it might just be two days, but it lasts

forever.

And I mean, all of our quantum friends are there,

right? Sarah Kleiner, Sarah Pugh, Stephen Hussey.

I mean, that's like Corey Gasvini, Peter

Forehand, who's new on the scene. But you're not

going to want to miss Peter stuff. It's all ether

crack, crystallization into matter. I mean, it's

so cool. Such cool stuff. And again, yeah, I'm

just excited, like you said, being with people in

person, just. There's something magical about it

when you can share that space together.

Yeah, no, that's going to be so fun. Okay, so

that's coming up June 2025, and there's info on

Carrie's website, carriebwellness.com. thank you,

Carrie. Oh, and of course, we have another cohort

in April for the Institute of Applied Quantum

Biology. There's a cohort currently running now

of just amazing people. I mean, you are all just.

I mean, I'm humbled every time I, I meet you all

and what people are bringing, the energy that

they're bringing and the hope and the. It's truly

remarkable.

I love it.

Yes. And Carrie is our lead faculty for that, so

can go to qbcpod.com it'll link you to all the

places if you want to make sure you're on the

waitlist for April. All right, Carrie, thank you.

We'll see you again soon. Talk about hydrogen

water. This has been the Quantum Biology

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