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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Clutter isn't just about the piles in your home, it's about the weight you've been carrying in your nervous system, your habits, and the good girl rules you were taught to follow. When you shift the patterns underneath, decluttering stops feeling overwhelming and starts unlocking freedom you didn't even know was possible.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hi, and welcome to the UWorld Order Showcase Podcast, where we feature life, health, transformational coaches and spiritual entrepreneurs stepping up to be the change they seek in the world. I'm your host, Jill Hart, the Coaches Alchemist, on a mission to help coaches and entrepreneurs amplify their voice, monetize their mission, and get visible, leveraging podcasts and Substack.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Today, we are chatting with Dorota Koldo. Dorota is a decluttering mentor. She helps women break free from lifelong clutter, overwhelm, and good girl conditioning. After decluttering 70% of her belongings in just 6 months while working two full-time jobs, she discovered her superpower.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Creating clutter-free systems that actually last. With a unique mix of nervous system regulation, mindset shifts, and brain-based strategies, DeRoda makes decluttering not only doable, but lasting and even fun. Through her work, she shows women that decluttering isn't really about the stuff, it's all

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: At all. It's about healing their relationships with themselves and creating lasting freedom at home and in life. Welcome to the show, Dorota. It's lovely to have you with us.

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Dorota Kuldo: Thank you so much for having me, what an amazing introduction!

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But it's all you!

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, let me ask you, what's the most significant thing, in your opinion, as individuals we can do to make an impact on how the world is going?

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Dorota Kuldo: I absolutely love this question, and my answer is going to be super short, is make sure that we feel good.

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Dorota Kuldo: And if we feel good, and we… when we follow that, Good-feeling thoughts.

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Dorota Kuldo: Everything around us changes, our vibration changes, we start attracting people that are also in that same vicinity of, like, feeling good, and the better we feel.

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Dorota Kuldo: The better the world becomes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, that's so true. It…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You know, in the old days, they used to tell you, don't be selfish? Well, I think that's totally wrong. You should definitely be selfish, because the more selfish you are in that you're looking after yourself and your own self-interest.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The happier you are, and the easier it is, so long as you're kind to others while you're doing this,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It makes… It makes it better for everybody!

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, for sure!

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Right? Just, like, you're… you're happy, and you want other people to be happy, too, and… you know, it's just…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Just makes the world better, instead of.

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Dorota Kuldo: focusing on all the negatives. Sure, yeah. I think, you know, just piggypacking off this, I think being selfish got a really bad rep.

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Dorota Kuldo: Because it's not a negative thing. It is very positive. As long as you're not being, like, an a-hole, or, like, very bad person, or whatever, that's just a completely different thing, but actually prioritizing our… when I'm happy, people are happy around me, right?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Huh?

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Dorota Kuldo: And that's just how it goes, so being selfish is a good thing.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, and it really does actually come back to your environment.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And having clutter in your environment.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: my mom, when I was growing up, she was like, 3 things! You could only have 3 things on this… any surface in your house! And it used to drive me kind of crazy, but…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: At this point in my life, I'm like, yeah, 3 things means there's space to appreciate what you've got out.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it doesn't take a lot to clean around it. And I think that was really her thing, was she didn't want to clean a whole bunch of knickknacks and stuff.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And she never really had a lot of knickknacks when I was growing up. We moved a lot, but…

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Dorota Kuldo: You know, for sure, like, having less…

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Dorota Kuldo: is definitely, sort of the gateway of, like, having more time, because we don't have to spend cleaning that much, for sure. But, like, if we're going back to, like, being selfish,

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Dorota Kuldo: You know, like, there is a…

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Dorota Kuldo: I don't really wanna, like, go too far right off the bat, but definitely, like, I would say that, we can be called selfish if we say no to

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Dorota Kuldo: getting something from… like, let's say your mom, right, would come to you and say, like, oh, I want to gift you all those things, right? And then you say.

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Dorota Kuldo: I'm good, thanks. Like, you know, I don't have use for that, I don't feel aligned with any of those things, they… they're your things. And then it's very easy to be perceived as, like, oh, you're selfish, like, these are the things that I cherished, right? So it really comes down to setting those boundaries.

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Dorota Kuldo: of how much can we say yes to, and how much is, like, too much. Like, my nan, she's, bless her, 85, and the past, like, 10 years, she's been, like, preparing to die. It's just, like, one of the things, right? And she's been giving away so much.

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Dorota Kuldo: to my mom, mainly. And my mom's, like, taking everything, right? And…

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Dorota Kuldo: it's just the house just gets filled up. So, like, we live now, like, I moved back here with my parents, about 2 years ago now, and, like, they have this huge house, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: New build, huge house, but it's just getting filled with staff.

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Dorota Kuldo: And the more the stuff there is, the more…

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Dorota Kuldo: There needs to be done around it.

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Dorota Kuldo: So… There needs to be a boundary there.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It… there's… there's this perceived thing between value and trash.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… People struggle with that a lot.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's not that you can't value something, but you should… You should recognize that

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Things that are dear to you aren't necessarily dear to your children.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And you should be able to say, hey, it's okay to let this go.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And I've experienced this recently, my father-in-law passed, and we had to clean out his possessions, and though the man lived with us for, like, 18 years, he… he had collected a lot of tools and,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: junk. A lot of it's just junk. It was cheap junk. And my husband, who was like, well, we must take everything. And he had this boat. It's a wooden boat, it's a lineman. And,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: He had restored it, about, I don't know, it's probably been 20 years now.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It actually was in the water, but it just continued to deteriorate, and my… one of my sons actually took it back, because someday he's gonna work on it.

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Dorota Kuldo: It's like, you know.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: One day is never gonna come, you should just, like, burn it in your backyard.

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Dorota Kuldo: Have a good bonfire.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't… I… I'm… I'm really kind of particular about what's junk, And needs to just go?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… and what… what few things I really want to appreciate and have in my environment.

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, there's so… there's just so many… so many, like, layers to what you said, right? First of all, I would say, like, don't burn the boat in the backyard. I don't think it's, like, safe. But definitely, you know, what you said about, like, what's trash and what's treasure, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: I think it's only to the person who owns the things to say, but also as people who, let's say, maybe potentially will receive those things, we can set the boundary there and say, like.

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Dorota Kuldo: you know, I understand that you cherish this thing, that you wanted to keep it, but I don't find it… don't find a place in my life for it, like, right now, at this stage of my life, or whatever. These are very hard conversations to have, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: Because there's just so much people who, generationally, who have collected so much stuff, so, like.

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Dorota Kuldo: our parents, or, like, grandparents, right? Because of the era that they grew up in, and everything was, you know, very expensive, and everything was, hard to get, so

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Dorota Kuldo: they kept collecting things, and they, you know, they kept those things, because what if I need it again, right? I mean, my parents, they have, like, million and one things, what if I need it again? Because…

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Dorota Kuldo: They grew up really, really poor. Really poor, so every single one little thing needed to be kept, because…

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Dorota Kuldo: Of the different reasons, so…

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Dorota Kuldo: it is… it is a big, big conversation here about those things, but what I always like to look at… how I always like to look at things is from the perspective of

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Dorota Kuldo: You know…

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Dorota Kuldo: is this helpful for me right now, in my stage of life? And it's okay to keep things. I… the way I teach decluttering, right, it's… everything is all about… everything's about nervous system. Nervous system safety first, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: So, if you have to think about what to do with the item, you're not ready to let go, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: So, that's where, sort of, I start, right? All the easy things first. And if you come across an item that is sort of like a… not a flick-of-the-risk decision.

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Dorota Kuldo: then skip it, because it's way better to skip the item and move on to the next pile, or the next room, than to…

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Dorota Kuldo: you know, introduce shame and judgment and inner self-criticism just because you were not able to get rid of that item, right? So that's where I would start, for sure.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, I like that. It allows you…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To be able to have a say about what's in your environment.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Rather than feeling like you're being judged for… for your decisions.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That they have to be… that there's a right and a wrong to any of the decisions that you're making around what's… what's cluttering up your life.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And sometimes it's a matter of just looking at things and saying, why am I hanging on to that?

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Dorota Kuldo: Hmm.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Because there could be an emotional attachment to it.

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, oh, I mean, you know, I don't wanna, like,

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Dorota Kuldo: what's the saying? Pop the bubble here, but…

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Dorota Kuldo: every single thing that we have, we have emotional attachment to. It's like a spectrum, right? Either it's, like, almost non-existent when we think about, like, obvious things, or, like, very, very strong when, you know, when we think about either photos, or, like, your wedding dress, or, like, whatever something, right? But…

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Dorota Kuldo: When we go back to nervous system, right, the way the method with nervous system regulation works so wonderfully is because it's right with, like, our biology, the way our brain works, the way our body works, and…

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Dorota Kuldo: when we look at the nervous system itself, like, what it is, right? Nervous system is… what's the function of the nervous system in our body. It is to keep us safe, right? So, we…

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Dorota Kuldo: I would say, like, just to put it, like, super, super simply, we developed, like, we… our nervous system got created, like, million years ago, when we still lived in caves, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: So, everything that was inside of the cave for us was safe. That was a perceived safety. Like, we knew exactly what's going on, right? And if we translate it to today's date, this is literally everything that is familiar, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: And everything outside of the cave was a perceived danger, right? Potentially, back then, life-threatening situation, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: And we still have that part of the brain, it's just down there, like, at the base of your skull, it's called reptilian brain. It's tiny, tiny, but it's still there. It's responsible for those primal instincts that we have, right? So…

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Dorota Kuldo: taking this back to today, everything that is outside of our… it's called either comfort zone or familiar zone, there's, like, so many names to it. But everything that is outside of that, I say, I call it unknown, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: That is when the nervous system is going to react.

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Dorota Kuldo: Okay? Because our nervous system is there to keep you safe. It's to keep you alert, right? So…

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Dorota Kuldo: Now, when we take it to decluttering, right, you decide, okay, I want to declutter my home, I'm ready, either downsizing, or moving to a different country, or whatever, right? Whatever the reason is. Or you just wanted to, like, have less.

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Dorota Kuldo: And if you ignore completely the function of your body, the function of your nervous system.

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Dorota Kuldo: Your nervous system is going to pump the brakes really, really fast.

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Dorota Kuldo: on that, because it's something new that you want to do, right? You don't know the outcome, you don't know how to do it, you don't know, like, the nitty-gritty to every single step, right? Because you've not done it before. And…

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Dorota Kuldo: your nervous system is going to go, well, what do you want to do? Like, hello, you didn't ask me, what's going on? No, I say no, right? So it has to be on board.

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Dorota Kuldo: And to make it on board, we just have to regulate to it.

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Dorota Kuldo: What that means, it's… it's really simple.

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Dorota Kuldo: we just have to expand the unknown into known. So it's like, you know, when you go to the gym, right? Or when you train to run a marathon.

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Dorota Kuldo: on the first day of training, you don't just go and run a marathon, right? No, because you would just, like, your legs would fall off.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Right? Or, like, you know, when you… To the very least.

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah! When you go to the gym, you don't just, like, lift a super heavy weight, right? You do it gradually, and it's the same with decluttering. That's why it lasts

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Dorota Kuldo: And it just becomes easier in that way.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's not such a big… a big project, if you can do it, like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: In tune with your nervous system, and…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And let it be a process instead of, like, the weekend chore.

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Dorota Kuldo: Hmm, yeah. It's not so much, like, the destination. I know it's like a cliche, it's not the destination, it's the journey, but it is, because, you know, to best everyone's bubble again, you will be decluttering until your last day on Earth, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: Only because… and people are like, no, I don't want to do that, I want to, you know, be done with it. Well, yes, but, you know, your life changes, the situations that you're in changes, your mood, your… what you like, what you don't like change, maybe you move countries, or, you know, different seasons of life.

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Dorota Kuldo: And, you know, when your kids grow old and move out, they'll grow older and move out, then, you know, you're not going to need the baby blanket anymore, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: So, yes, we will be, because we bring stuff in all the time, so we will be decluttering. And once people understand that, I think it's, like, sort of like a permission slip to…

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Dorota Kuldo: And this… to know that it's going to take time, But actually.

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Dorota Kuldo: time is just such an irrelevant, measure of success, right? It's just… it's not something that we should be looking at. The only thing that we should be looking at is just sort of going back to what I said at the very beginning, is how do you feel?

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Dorota Kuldo: Do you feel better every day? Because

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Dorota Kuldo: Because you are, you know, doing the things.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And there's… there's a certain amount of…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You don't have to own everything.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And I think

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: As a society, we are moving more towards minimalism, which I think is a great thing. I think it's helping the planet.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Even?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and not having to have, like, one of everything. Everybody has to have one or two, or, you know, in some cases, you end up with, like, 10 at some point in your life when you're, like, you've been given all this stuff. I talk about tools a lot, but, you know, who needs 12 screwdrivers?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: My dad, apparently. I know! Well, my father-in-law needed 12, and we already had 12, so now we have 24, so we're trying to give them to our kids, and our kids are like, I already have 12 screwdrivers, I don't need any.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, I'm psycho.

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Dorota Kuldo: I know!

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Instead of just, like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: having maybe one of the basics, and then for the big things, you just share them around. You have a pool of people, you know, my kids and I, we… we have, like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Chainsaws and some bigger things that we…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: we have one of them, and we share it. You know, whoever needs it can just go get it from the last person who had it. And it's…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it makes It brings people together in community.

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah. Hmm.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you have.

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Dorota Kuldo: Love that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: When you have communal things that you're sharing, and different people go through different phases in their lives, but you were talking about baby blankets, and I'm guilty. In my basement, I have baby blankets from my children. You know, my children range in age from, like, 43.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: 21.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And I have baby blankets.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And karate belts, and all kinds of things that are just, like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you don't need to… I don't need to hang on to those. I could give them to the DI, the Deseret Industries, or the Goodwill, or whatever you have around your area.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: or I could just give them away.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't need them anymore, but most people want new stuff. They're bringing a new baby in. They don't want the old blanket that's, you know, 20 years old now. They want…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Because they've got this new life, and people will throw them a baby shower, and they'll bring them more new stuff, so they'll have lots of stuff!

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah. You know what, like, you touched on, again, like, so many levels. Like, I want to address one thing first, is that, you know.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: we get to choose what works for us, right? There is… there is, like, literally no rules, right? If you want to have…

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Dorota Kuldo: like, 20 screwdrivers, then… and if that makes you happy, go ahead and do that. If I want to have none, and then come to you every, like, other day and borrow it, then yeah, it's fine as well. So there is, like… that's the thing, right? Because we have been conditioned to…

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Dorota Kuldo: follow those imaginary roles, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: And… there is no rules. I always say to my clients, like, burn the rulebook. Like, you get to decide, right? And, oh my gosh, there's just so much here that I could, like.

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Dorota Kuldo: you know, talk about, but the other thing that I want to say is that, you know, you talked about, like, moving towards minimalism more, right? But people want the new stuff, right? But more and more people want to, like, minimize what they have.

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Dorota Kuldo: I think there was, like, buying frenzy as well, like, Amazon and, like, COVID, those two things were probably, like, for me at least, very unhelpful, because I… because I got myself into… like, literally, there was, I remember, like, this one just before Christmas.

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Dorota Kuldo: So, I know, like, we inland, we call it Christmas, I think you call it, like, holiday season, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: It's Christmas, yeah. Christmas, yeah. So I remember Amazon would deliver something every single day, right? And I was like, I stopped myself in my tracks one day, and I was like.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right? I have to get another thing, right? That was just crazy, but one of the reasons why we have so much clutter is because we keep buying, right? So yeah, decluttering is sort of… that's for the backlog, but what about the future things that are coming, right? If you… if we collectively, right, just…

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Dorota Kuldo: think about what's coming in, because we struggle so much with what's going out, right? We just have, like, all those thoughts, like, what if I need it again? What if, you know, I spent so good money on it, or, you know, maybe one day I'll use it, maybe someone will need it, like, there's just so many things going there.

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Dorota Kuldo: But we don't really often think about, like, what's coming in. Very often, it's just an impulse buy, right? You walked past the shop, or, like, you went to Walmart.

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Dorota Kuldo: And there was, like, a display of nice things, and like, oh, I have to get another of whatever, right? So, really thinking about, like, how can we… and that's how we can also help the planet, because

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Dorota Kuldo: We have, at the point of purchase, we have a responsibility.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right? Because this item, and I did a,

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Dorota Kuldo: I think a reel, or on my Instagram, posted that, you know, we are looking for, like, the best way to declutter, but the reality is that most of it is going to end up in the landfill. And I know, like, it sounds bad.

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Dorota Kuldo: But if you look at the statistics of how much stuff is actually getting recycled, upcycled, whatever.

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Dorota Kuldo: most of it is going to end up in the landfill. Even, like, I had no idea, but…

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Dorota Kuldo: Like, a few years ago, I found out, if you order something from, like, a big clothing company, right, and you, you know, delivery is free, you can get it, like, on the Clare now, like, 30 days later payment, so you don't really pay for it until…

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Dorota Kuldo: You, like, return the stuff that you don't want to keep. Those things that you've returned.

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Dorota Kuldo: they're not going back on the shelf. They are being disposed of, right? Even though no one has worried, like, you just ordered it to your house, it was too small, too big, whatever, or you didn't like it, you decided to, like, return it, those returns are not actually being sold again.

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Dorota Kuldo: So there's just so much there. So…

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Dorota Kuldo: you know, we can, like, sit here for 15 hours and talk about, like, why and what to do, and… and I think the most important here

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Dorota Kuldo: part is to make those individual decisions for ourselves, right? Because we cannot think for other people. We cannot take responsibility for other people. It's a hard burden to carry, if we were to do that.

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Dorota Kuldo: And it's also not fair for us or for those people, right? So… I think…

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Dorota Kuldo: Taking it back again to nervous system, to how simple we can Make it is…

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Dorota Kuldo: I always say, build trust with what you can do first, because you have all this clutter, because A you don't trust yourself.

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Dorota Kuldo: We buy stuff because we want to emulate someone, so we don't believe that we are worthy enough to be ourselves.

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Dorota Kuldo: There's just so much there, right? We can go really, really deep. But when we start decluttering, and you look at the items that are super easy.

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Dorota Kuldo: Super easy. And, like, the easiest thing is trash.

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Dorota Kuldo: And I always laugh, because we have so much trash around our houses, we don't even know.

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Dorota Kuldo: We literally don't even know, right? And like you said, you know, you have that baby blanket or that karate belt, keep them for now, you know?

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Dorota Kuldo: There is literally no reason to get rid of

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Dorota Kuldo: Oh my gosh, if it's, like, just a little bit expensive, then you can, like…

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Dorota Kuldo: Get rid of something and see how it feels.

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Dorota Kuldo: But if it's really, like, heavy decision.

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Dorota Kuldo: There is no point. What's the point? Because you're just gonna make yourself so upset, and then you're not gonna touch any of it later.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What would you say is the easiest place for most people to start in the decluttering world?

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Dorota Kuldo: The easiest is regulate first.

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Dorota Kuldo: I know it has nothing to do with decluttering, but it got to be done. It has to be done, because if we don't regulate, if we come to decluttering with anxiety, with panic, with, like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, like, I have to do it, I don't, like, this

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Dorota Kuldo: you know, frantic. Regulate first. There's loads of ways that you can regulate, but the most simple ones are…

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Dorota Kuldo: slow down your breathing, right? Because if your breathing is, like, if you're breathing really, really fast, your nervous system is already on the alert, because it thinks, oh, maybe the saber-toothed tiger is chasing you, so I must protect you, flight, fight, or freeze, and phone, right? Those are the responses. So the freeze would be procrastination.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right? So… Regulate first. Slow down the breathing.

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Dorota Kuldo: you know, chew a chewing gum, like, eating in general, is, like, also regulating for nervous system. Those are very simple ways that we already do anyway, like, you have to breathe, right? So do that. And, you know.

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Dorota Kuldo: It doesn't have to take long. It's not something that has to take, like, hours.

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Dorota Kuldo: Or minutes, even literally. Take 5 to 6 deep breaths before you start.

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Dorota Kuldo: And then, you know, what I like to do is, like, put my hand on my heart and say, like, okay, I can do it. I can do it. Like, hype yourself up a little bit, right? Maybe shake a little bit as well to, you know, get rid of that stagnant energy. And then…

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Dorota Kuldo: Have a look around. There isn't… just wanna, sort of answer the question straight away, it's like, there isn't a perfect place.

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Dorota Kuldo: There isn't. Anything… I… how do I want to say this? Anything that you start with is progress, is great, but I would encourage people to start with the place

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Dorota Kuldo: For the brain, for the dopamine, to start with the place that you see the most.

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Dorota Kuldo: Because if you spend, like, 10 minutes in this space, and you made your…

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Dorota Kuldo: whatever space, let's say desk, right? I'm sitting at my desk now. I walk into the room, and the first thing I see is my desk.

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Dorota Kuldo: I would spend 10 minutes here as a priority, probably, over anything else in the… in the space, because

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Dorota Kuldo: I have 10 minutes, let's say I have 10 minutes, right? Then…

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Dorota Kuldo: I wouldn't suggest doing more, because life happens.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right? Your husband's gonna call you, your kid's gonna call you, or like, you know, mom, can you pick up whatever, you know, my child from preschool? And then you, like, have to leave, and then if you create, like, all that mess around you, you are like, you know, next time when you come back, you'll be like, I forgot what I was doing.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right? So… 5 minutes, because you can extend the time

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Dorota Kuldo: easily. If you don't have 5 minutes, do one. Like, I started with 1 minute a day, you know? For the first week, I just did 1 minute, because I didn't have time… nor… nor did I have, like, that mental capacity to do more. So, I would…

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Dorota Kuldo: going back to, like, my desk, I would look at my desk and see, okay.

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Dorota Kuldo: what's trash here? Well, clearly, like, I had ice cream just before we hopped on the call.

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Dorota Kuldo: So, you know, that's still clutter, right? That's still…

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Dorota Kuldo: Whether it's to throw away, donate, whatever, that's all… I call it all decluttering. Tidying, decluttering, that's all the same to me. So I would take this to the trash, trash can. I would maybe, you know, see what else is… my desk is pretty clear because I cleaned yesterday, actually, but I would see what else is easy.

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Dorota Kuldo: Because the more easy of those decisions you make.

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Dorota Kuldo: the more your nervous system is going to, like, A come down, because nothing scary happened.

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Dorota Kuldo: And B, you'll be like, oh, I can do more, I can do more, I can do more, I can do more, I can do more, I can do more, and then all of the sudden, it's like 3 months later, and you don't recognize your house anymore.

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Dorota Kuldo: Because you went 5 minutes a day, because you went 10 minutes a day, rather than over… over-exhausting yourself doing, like, a…

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Dorota Kuldo: a 4-hour marathon on Saturday. That never works. It works for one Saturday.

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Dorota Kuldo: That's it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's not sustainable.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it makes… it makes cleaning easier if you… if you will make the effort to go around your home

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: or your space, Every day, make a commitment to

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Tidy up or declutter a space.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I… Whether it's, like, your desk, or your nightstand, or your bathroom counter, or your kitchen.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And then, when you… it gets time to actually, like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: there's… there's two thoughts… I have two thoughts. I was a cleaning lady.

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Dorota Kuldo: Me too.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, and just in terms of, you can either clean every day a little bit of space, like,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I taught my kids, and it saved me, like, hours of headaches. When you're taking a shower, when you get out of the shower, clean the toilet, because all the steam from the shower makes everything come up.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: so it's really easy to just wipe it off, versus… and I just use toilet paper to do it, but, you know, then when it comes time to using whatever chemicals you want to use to really clean your toilet, it makes the job much faster and easier and less gross.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And if you have a lot of people in your house, if everybody knows that little trick, then the toilet gets cleaned every day, and not the same person is having to, like, deal with it, which is…

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Dorota Kuldo: And it compounds, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, yeah, you are so right, you know, and the funny thing that you mentioned being a cleaning lady, because when I was at the worst with my clutter, I had a cleaning business, and it was a very successful cleaning business, so, like, the shame…

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Dorota Kuldo: Of living sort of this, like, double life was, for me, was, like, really… it was really, really heavy.

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Dorota Kuldo: But you are right, you know, it's like, when I…

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Dorota Kuldo: like, my whole life, I always either… my room was, like, right now, super, super nice and tidy, right? Or extremely, extremely messy. But it was… it was only when I actually got rid of all of that stuff, my space

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Dorota Kuldo: doesn't get messy anymore, right? Yes, there are… do I clean every day? Do I tidy every day? No. No, because that's not the point. It's… I'm not that kind of… like, my mom, yes, she's like…

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Dorota Kuldo: so much energy, like, she would walk past something and pick it up, I would walk past something and leave it there until, like, I feel like doing it, right? So there's nothing wrong with you if you do that, but the whole point of decluttering is, like you said, you know, I don't want to be spending 5 hours cleaning my…

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Dorota Kuldo: bathroom, for example, because there's just so much mess in there, right? I want to do it in, like.

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Dorota Kuldo: 10-15 minutes max, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: But if I don't do those little tiny things, and it doesn't have to be done every day, when you are in the midst of decluttering, like, heavy, heavy decluttering, I highly suggest doing every day, right? At least for first 3 months, do it every day.

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Dorota Kuldo: Until you really get into that habit, and then what happens is actually you'll be decluttering without even knowing that you're doing it. But also, the other thing that I want to mention is, you know, you walk around, like you said, right? You walk around your spaces.

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Dorota Kuldo: every day, let's say just 5 minutes, actually makes a huge difference. Let's say every day 5 minutes. Today, I'm in the kitchen, tomorrow I'm there, next day I'm somewhere else, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: And then, let's say you have, I don't know, to make it easy math, right, because I'm not good at that. You have 7 spaces in your home. So, every day you do one space, right? So then on Monday, you go back to the first space.

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Dorota Kuldo: And maybe there is a little bit more to do, there, like, or maybe, actually, you noticed something that you were not ready to let go of on the first time.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right? On the first round. Because that's the thing with decluttering, the way I teach it with the nervous system, because if you do it consistently, and you sort of, like, expand your…

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Dorota Kuldo: Your capacity to make those decisions.

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Dorota Kuldo: Eventually, you will, like, go down to your basement, and you will say, okay, baby blanket.

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Dorota Kuldo: Time to go. And there will be no emotion.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right? Is this going to happen within a month? Probably no. Maybe 2 years down the line? Maybe 20 years down the line.

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Dorota Kuldo: But there are other spaces to look, and carry for, right?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And as you get older, your closet.

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Dorota Kuldo: No, that is…

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Dorota Kuldo: There's, like, for me, I always like to look at the closet of, like, closet is where all my dreams went to die. Right? Of, like, I'm gonna lose the weight, or I'm gonna wear this…

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Dorota Kuldo: you know, because I bought this dress, because I wanted to… I don't know, I saw it on someone, and I wanted to emulate her, that's why we buy things a lot of time.

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Dorota Kuldo: So, yeah, closet. If we… if you want, like, a quick tip of how to approach the closet, because it's, like, bursting out the seams.

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Dorota Kuldo: Regular first.

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Dorota Kuldo: give yourself a good, good pep talk. Maybe put a music on and, like, dance, dance for, like, two, three songs, just… just to pump yourself. And then, open that closet and have a look at, like.

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Dorota Kuldo: the most obvious things, again, is the same, right? Every space you go to is the same. What is the most obvious thing? And then maybe every time you do the laundry, you have a look at the item, the thing, and decide whether you want to keep it or not, but…

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Dorota Kuldo: Don't expect yourself to… Don't expect… with decluttering and just altogether, right, lower the expectations.

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Dorota Kuldo: that's probably the big… the biggest tip. Give yourself permission to take as slow as you possibly need to, because it's okay. No one's going to shout at you, no one's going to, you know.

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Dorota Kuldo: I don't know.

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Dorota Kuldo: make you wanna… make you leave the house, or whatever. No one's gonna, like, kick you out, because you took it too slow.

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Dorota Kuldo: No. It's, it's, you know, you are the boss.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's okay to throw stuff out.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's okay to throw out clothing.

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Dorota Kuldo: Yes?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The amount of clothing that gets donated

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: is incredible. It's like mountains of stuff that gets sent off… often to other countries.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's their landfills end up with these clothes in it. It's just like…

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, you.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Crazy.

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Dorota Kuldo: like I said, you know, going back to what I said previously, you know, we…

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Dorota Kuldo: We like going out of our way to find the best quote-unquote way to declutter, but the reality is most of it's going to end up in the landfill.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right? I had actually an argument the other day on threads with someone who said, like, no, it's not true. And I'm like, well, yeah, okay, but you're wrong, because the statistic is the statistic, like, unless you are this, like, unicorn that… who… sorry, who…

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Dorota Kuldo: literally every single thing, every single thing, whether it be a crisp packet, or, whatever.

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Dorota Kuldo: you know, plastic, metal, paper, everything like you, in your own environment, recycle and make sure it never, ever goes… even stuff after recycling, then

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Dorota Kuldo: after they recycled, then end… they're going to end up in the… like, they're not just gonna disapp… plastic is just not gonna disappear, just because you, like, removed it from your house, but…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We both go to the same spot anyway.

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, yeah, but…

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, for sure. But yes, throwing away… I always say this, okay.

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Dorota Kuldo: Tough love here.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right now, your house is a trash can, whether you like it or not.

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Dorota Kuldo: Whether you love the items or not, like, it's… every single item is at the stage of traffic… trashification.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right? Is that the word? Yes. Yeah. Right? So, your home is trash can.

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Dorota Kuldo: And at the same time, you are depressed.

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Dorota Kuldo: Your self-worth and self-esteem and self-love, it just… doesn't exist, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: you hate yourself, maybe. I know that these are very hard words, very difficult words, but that's what my clients tell me when they start working with me, right? So if…

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Dorota Kuldo: you know, I'm giving you permission, and you can come at me, my social media, I'm just gonna block you. Anyway.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Right.

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Dorota Kuldo: That's what I do, like, anything nasty or I don't like, I just block, I don't want this energy in my world. I'm really protective, and of my space as well, and my people.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Cluttering.

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, 100%, but throw away the stuff, because it's better to… for you to start throwing away the stuff, even if it's perfectly recyclable, it's better for you to… for, like, a week or two weeks, to throw away the stuff and start shifting that mental…

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Dorota Kuldo: Heavy energy.

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Dorota Kuldo: And then… Go crazy at upcycling, go crazy at donating, whatever, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: Like, in my house, we are… we're actually quite bad, because… I mean, in a good way, because all the food waste, is going to the compostable bin, or, like, I go and bury it in my garden, and my soil is just so much better now. The water…

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Dorota Kuldo: when we run the water, you know, when you go and take a shower, first you have, like, cold water. We actually collect that water in buckets. I have a bucket in my

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Dorota Kuldo: bathroom, we all do in all the bathrooms, and we collect that water, and then we use it in the garden. All the paper that we have that goes to the compostable bin. So we really try as much as we can, and we buy very little things, right? I don't remember last time I bought, like, a piece of clothing.

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Dorota Kuldo: Until it rips, I wear it. But it's only because I have this capacity right now in my head that I can do those things. I would… when I started, everything just went to the bin.

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Dorota Kuldo: Everything went to the trash.

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Dorota Kuldo: the first two weeks, maybe? But then again, I started with trash, so…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The first part of the process is trash identification. I, you know, used to joke with my kids, I had a couple boys that lived in one room, and it was just like, you guys have a really bad problem with trash identification. They were like, oh, I must hang on to this little thing I got from McDonald's. I said, no, that's trash.

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Dorota Kuldo: Meh.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's designed to be trash. It's sad, but… You know, that's.

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, it's… everything… You know, everything is designed to be trash, because it is going to be trash.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They want it to be trashed. It was made to be trash, so that you would buy the next thing.

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Dorota Kuldo: The next thing, exactly, exactly, every single thing, you know, it's…

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Dorota Kuldo: I'm happy, like, in Europe now, we've introduced, as, like, European Union, we've introduced more and more regulations that, like, for example, companies. So it got to the point where, like, you could only use your washing machine, like, 2 years, because it would break the minute the warranty ended, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: that we had a cordless, vacuum, the Hoover thing, you know, the smart one, and it only worked 2 years. And it was just like, I spent so much money on this, and it only worked 2 years, because they…

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Dorota Kuldo: They made it in a way, they programmed it in a way that the minute the warranty expires.

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Dorota Kuldo: Not the same, obviously, but, like, it's designed to work from switch…

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Dorota Kuldo: fast switch on for, like, 2 years, but right now in Europe, they have changed laws,

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Dorota Kuldo: So, they make companies care for the products more, and create the products, make products that will last much longer, which is good.

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Dorota Kuldo: But also, you know, there's just so much that we buy. There is one company, starting with tea and ending with emu, that…

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, I… Yeah, I have thoughts on this one.

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Dorota Kuldo: But that's the reason!

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's all junk!

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Dorota Kuldo: You're, you're…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Save your money and buy one better quality thing.

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, my ex-boyfriend used to say, that, you know, cheap is expensive.

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Dorota Kuldo: Right? Because you buy, like, one cheap thing, and then you have to buy another one, and another one, and another one, and another one, right? Like, for example, like, my… I bought, gosh, 8, 9 years ago, my Timberland boots for winter, and at the time.

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Dorota Kuldo: it was, to me, they were so expensive, right? I think I had to, like, save up for a few months to get them.

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Dorota Kuldo: But it was 9 years ago, and they almost looked brand new.

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Dorota Kuldo: Almost.

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Dorota Kuldo: So… But, you know.

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Dorota Kuldo: normally, I would just probably buy new shoes every day, every year, right?

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Dorota Kuldo: But I'm not condemning people buying things, because I still like nice things, I still like buying things. But for me, the question now is not, you know, who do I want to emulate by buying this thing?

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Dorota Kuldo: Who, who do I think I'll become if I got it, you know? Or like, the other thing, the other question I like is, you know.

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Dorota Kuldo: If someone saw me wearing it, or having this thing.

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Dorota Kuldo: just purely off of this fact, would I feel like, oh, I'm cold, right? So, no, I don't really look at those things anymore. For me, it's like, you know, okay, my trousers, like, ripped.

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Dorota Kuldo: I need a new pair. Or like, you know, my pen ran out, I need a new one,

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Dorota Kuldo: Like, I have one water bottle.

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Dorota Kuldo: That came free with whatever, I don't remember, but I have one. And until it, like, is unusable and goes super moldy, because those bottles tend to, then I don't see…

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Dorota Kuldo: Coming from a shopaholic.

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Dorota Kuldo: For me, you know, if you told me 5 years ago that I would say those things, I'd laugh.

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Dorota Kuldo: No.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, I know you coach people on how to declutter their lives. How does… how does all that work? Is it, like, one-on-one? Is it group? Is it courses?

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Dorota Kuldo: Yeah, there's a few points of entry into my world. You can come to my Instagram and have all of my, awesomeness. I know I'm joking, but, like, all the stuff that I put out, completely free. There's also, I have this, like, little…

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Dorota Kuldo: Spotify podcast. It's only on Spotify. I don't really, like, advertise it because it's mainly for people in my world, which is guided meditations, for decluttering, like, specifically. There was, like, 16 or 17, guided meditations.

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Dorota Kuldo: that I take you really deep into subconscious mind. So here's the thing, right? Another thing that I do also is my one-on-one coaching, and you have 6 months proximity with me, and it's a deep, deep transformation, and in that container.

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Dorota Kuldo: I help you rewire those subconscious beliefs, limiting beliefs, old programming, but if you can't do the one-on-one with me, that's why I created those meditations for Spotify. I started uploading them to YouTube as well.

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Dorota Kuldo: To make them more accessible to people. So imagine, you know, going deep into the forest with Harry Potter Wand, and it's just, like, magic happening there, and we're working with the subconscious mind. So that's also a free resource.

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Dorota Kuldo: Another resource that I have, which the listeners here are specifically going to have access to, I think you'll put them in the show notes, right? It's, three simple moves, your decluttering jumpstart, so the way how to, sort of regulate first.

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Dorota Kuldo: before we, before you declutter, and there's also one, one of the steps is how… what space to choose, so going sort of back to the question, what space in your home to choose to, like, make the… get the best results out of?

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Dorota Kuldo: And also I have, Declutter Your Home, which is my course. This is, again, very similar to one-on-one coaching, but it's a self-paced, very short audio lessons, because I want you to be able to, like, also have life.

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Dorota Kuldo: You know, because sometimes sitting at the computer and going through the curriculum of the course tends to be, like this barrier of actually completing the course, so it's audio, you have

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Dorota Kuldo: ton and ton of nervous system regulation tools in there. I truly believe 80% nervous system regulation.

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Dorota Kuldo: 20% decluttering, actual decluttering, that's, like, a perfect combination.

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Dorota Kuldo: So that's sort of what I have available.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Son.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: People can find you at…

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Dorota Kuldo: They can find me on Instagram at Dorotakoldo Decluttering, that's D-O-R-O-T-A-K-U-L-D-O Decluttering. Mainly Instagram. If you search me on Facebook, Dorotakoldo, you'll find me there as well, but I'm mostly active on… on Instagram.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And people can find your 3 Simple Moves

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Nervous Friendly Decluttering Jumpstart at, derottacoldo.podia.com forward slash the number 3 simple moves, correct?

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Dorota Kuldo: Yes, yes, exactly. If you type that in, it will take you there.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Awesome. Thank you so much for joining me today, Dorota. This has been a great conversation.

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Dorota Kuldo: Thank you so much for having me.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To learn more about Jorota, and to get the 3 simple moves, nervous… the 3 simple nervous-friendly… nervous system-friendly moves,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: to jumpstart decluttering, please visit derodacoldo.podia.com, the number 3, simple moves, and to just follow her and be in part of her world, you can find her on Instagram at DerotaColdoDecluttering.

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