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Alright, let's finish my instrument
training flight that we started last

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week and try to squeeze in another
big, fat, beyond the checkride segment,

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where we'll dive into fueling our
own airplanes at self service pumps.

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Enjoy today's episode of the Student
Pilot Cast, Tanks for the Memories,

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How Not to Make Fuel ish Mistakes.

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Welcome back SBC listeners,
and I'm sorry about the puns.

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I can't help it.

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Anyway, we're back with the conclusion
of my first training flight under the

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hood in quite a while I'll try to be
quick on the commentary and the in

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cockpit audio on this one because we've
got a pretty big Beyond the check ride

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segment that I want to make sure that
we have time for and that we squeeze

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in here Before we get going on that
though, there were a couple of things I

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promised to at least touch on this week.

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I'll hopefully go into detail
at some point in the future.

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But I mentioned last week when I was
talking about my son working at APS

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that he'd likely be getting a pretty fun
ride in an airplane here pretty soon.

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Well I had one recently too
and I mentioned that briefly.

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So let me step out of sequence
here a little bit in my

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training and get you up to date.

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As you may know I'm currently
working on my CFI training right now.

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Thanks Mostly just waiting on getting
a DPE scheduled, but still learning,

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studying, and flying, and trying to
be ready when it does get scheduled.

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So if you don't know You have to
get a SPIN endorsement to be a

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candidate for the CFI checkride,
so I decided to do it in style.

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I went back to where it all began
for me, Chandler Air Service, and

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did my SPIN training with a great
instructor there who's been doing crazy

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fun stuff in airplanes for decades.

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I had never even taken a plane
upside down before, so I knew

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this was gonna be a treat.

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And one of the best parts of the
whole thing was that I did the

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flying part of the training in an
open cockpit aerobatic biplane.

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What a freaking rush.

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We did a fair amount of ground
training before getting in the

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airplane, probably a couple of hours
worth, and then hopped in a Great

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Lakes biplane to do the actual spins.

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The nature of that cockpit, especially
with the parachutes we were wearing,

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it felt more like we were wearing
the airplane than sitting in it.

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But what a great experience.

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I got 1.

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1 of dual in that biplane that day and
probably did more than a dozen spins of

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all kinds, went upside down, did spin
reversals, accelerated spins, you name it.

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By the end though, I was spent

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my stomach was starting to get a
little angry with me as I wasn't

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used to those types of movements.

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And.

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As I recall, I didn't realize the
training was going to be that long.

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We got a little bit of a late start
because he had another lesson that

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he was finishing up beforehand.

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And I ended up not eating all morning.

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And by the time we were done
with the flight, it was afternoon

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and that probably wasn't smart.

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I didn't do it on purpose.

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I just thought, Oh, I'll be
there for a couple of hours

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and then I'll grab some food.

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And, anyway, it didn't work.

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It didn't work out.

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My stomach was getting mad at me.

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when we were on our way back in
from the flight, he asked if I

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wanted to do some mild aerobatics.

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And while my stomach and head
were saying no way, I found myself

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saying, well, yeah, of course.

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So how do you pass up a chance like that?

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Right.

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I did fine.

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No dog bag needed that day.

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But I was still glad I had one there
just in case, you know what I mean?

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Anyway, I actually learned a
great deal and had a ton of fun

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Despite it being really pretty hot.

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The open cockpit helped keep things
a little cooler Even I think we

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were starting most of our maneuvers
at about 5, 500 MSL The reason I

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don't recall for sure is because
we had set our altimeter for, AGL.

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We'd set it to ground level.

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So we'd always see how far
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so I, I think it was somewhere
around 5, 500 that we were

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starting all the maneuvers.

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So it helped a little bit
to be up higher like that.

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And luckily, luckily it was
slightly cooler than it had been

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lately for that particular day.

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I flew especially because we
weren't flying until You know,

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noon, but cooler for Arizona in
the summer is still blasted hot.

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Anyway, I just wanted to bring you up
to speed a bit on what I'd been doing

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and that ride I had, and hopefully
I'll do a more in depth recount

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of that training and the flight in
a future episode of the podcast.

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I did record the flight, but being an
open cockpit and all the audio is not

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quite as clean as I normally get, but
that's all right, it's still usable.

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And I'll share what I can.

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Coming up at some point in the podcast.

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So let's get on to the end
of my instrument training

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flight way back in sequence.

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If you remember, I was doing
instrument patterns in the sky

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when we left off last week.

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So we'll pick it up there again, as
usual, I'll edit the audio in the cockpit

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for blank space and brevity and just
jump in to comment where necessary.

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The last half of this flight
should go pretty quickly.

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Remember, this is February in the Phoenix
Valley, so absolutely Beautiful weather.

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So I started talking about how I
felt like I was missing the view

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from the cockpit on such a nice day.

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And Eddie reminded me that this was just
the beginning and that I'd be itching

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to be able to see outside long before
I finished my instrument training.

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South practice, Red Rock 60, 4,
500 over the north test track.

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It's too bad though, I love the
view from the cockpit on nice days.

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I don't get to enjoy it.

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You honestly, at the end of instrument,
you're actually going to be excited

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for a commercial because you're
going to be able to look outside.

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Good point.

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I was really bummed out after.

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It was great, but not being able
to look outside gets annoying.

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Alright, 30 seconds to my right 180.

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There you go.

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Traffic is all no factor
now, which is perfect.

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Thank you.

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Honestly, I'm using this primarily for
vague because that's throwing me off.

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So this is now your primary instrument,
this is now your supporting.

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Yeah, might as well make that in op.

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So, uh, control, yeah, so that's the
other form of instrument flying, is your

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primary supporting method of instruments.

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All right, here's our one
minute standard rate turn.

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Back pressure.

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it turned faster than expected.

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By 4 or 5 seconds.

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That is weird.

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It must have been too high at some point.

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On the rate of turn I mean.

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No, no, a little bit, but you're fine.

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You still look pretty good.

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I'm trying to find the timer on here
so you don't have to use your phone.

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I need another knee board for my phone.

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Yeah, for real.

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I'm going to figure that out
for us on the next flight.

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Watch your altitude.

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I got fixated for a second.

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Yep, fixation and omission.

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It's true.

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What kills pilots.

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The struggle is real.

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The struggle is very, very real.

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Alright, so you're heading
on this for two minutes.

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We're 43 seconds into it.

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And Red Rocks 1, 600 feet above us.

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What's that?

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Ryan and Jaclyn are about
1, 600 feet above us.

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Oh, got some company traffic, huh?

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Yep, they're ripping.

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I mean, not like us on the
scooters this morning, but.

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Oh, no, not like us, no, they could never.

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Alright, so let me
explain that for a second.

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I think I had mentioned before that there
was work being done on the hangar and

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tie down areas for the flight school.

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In fact, they were moving locations

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and prep was being done on the new place.

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So the airplanes were homeless for a bit.

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So for a couple of months, or maybe
it was only a few weeks, it's hard to

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remember, they were being parked out on
the flight line in front of the tower.

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About a ten minute walk from the school.

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I think in a previous episode you heard a
controller ask about our walk out there.

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Well, sometimes instead of hoofing it,
we'd get on the golf cart if it was

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available, or on some occasions, we'd
We grabbed some electric scooters that

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they had in the hangar there, if they
were charged, and if they were available.

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And that's what we had done that morning.

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And we had some fun
getting out to the plane.

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That's why the reference to us ripping
around the airport on those scooters.

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So, now you know.

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Let's continue.

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Southeast, Fractionary, Oxford 7119,
two miles south of the AGL, headed to

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the Phoenix, last call, sorry, headed
to Stockfield, last call, southeast.

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Southwest Fractionary, Oxford 5821, 2,
100 over the I 10 Greenfields Ground rope.

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Last call.

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That's cool, it just flew
right over the top of us.

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20 seconds.

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Cool, 20 seconds to go.

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I'll be doing a right one minute turn.

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Yep, perfect.

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Here we go.

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And on this one, for traffic's sake, I'm
going to have you climb up to, uh, 4, 700.

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4, 700.

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Keep that climb coming.

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There you go.

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There you go.

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Twenty four seconds in the turn.

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Twenty four seconds in the turn.

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Go.

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Alright,

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that one was perfectly one minute.

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And there you are.

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Oh, I'm losing it.

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Get back to, before you call it,
let me get back to my altitude.

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Red Rock 60, maintain 4, 700.

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Pilot deviation.

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4, 700.

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And how much more time
do we have on this one?

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I think it's over.

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Done.

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Alright, perfect.

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Um, we are it's almost 840, so we uh,
probably start, have to head back.

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Okay.

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Um, but we managed to get a
traffic, or we managed to get

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a pattern in, which is great.

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Next time we'll just rip through
the ground a little bit faster

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so we have some more time in the
air, but that was fantastic Bill.

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So now what I'm going to have you do
is I'm going to have you go direct

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Chandler and descend down to 3, 300.

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Alright, that's going to be a left turn?

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Um, let's do a let's do a left turn.

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Left turn heading direct Chandler.

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Alright.

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Descending to 3, 300.

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And my heading, shouldn't it tell me?

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Three zero.

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Two three.

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Yep.

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When you come out off, when you're
heading, you can get the weather.

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Four.

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Dalkin,

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Okay, so I'd grabbed the ATIS for
Falcon here, but notice the winds.

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It was blowing pretty good.

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So a funny little conversation
happened between Eddie and me.

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Should he be worried?

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Maybe.

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I'll just let it play all
the way back to the field.

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Here you go.

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Papa.

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1, 4, 5, 4.

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Zulu wind 3 0 1 2.

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Gus, two zero.

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Temperature 1, 2 2 point minus five.

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Ultima 3 0 2 5.

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Approach east landing.

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Enter party runway waist.

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Four left and four.

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Right.

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You not observe effect for
further information Contact.

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All arrivals contact tower 124.

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6.

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Papa.

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I wanted to hear the winds one more time

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Sure.

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Sounds like it's gusting pretty good.

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Yeah, I think it's gusting 20.

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Wind 030 at 12, gust 20.

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Temperature 12, dew point
minus 5, altimeter 3025.

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Uh, I can take the landing if
you're not comfortable with it.

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That's pretty much down the runway.

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00:13:25,992 --> 00:13:27,262
I think we're okay.

244
00:13:27,502 --> 00:13:27,772
Alright.

245
00:13:28,372 --> 00:13:30,162
You can be on it with me
in case you're worried.

246
00:13:30,232 --> 00:13:30,262
Sure.

247
00:13:30,822 --> 00:13:31,072
Okay.

248
00:13:31,072 --> 00:13:32,792
But I could use the practice.

249
00:13:33,392 --> 00:13:34,112
I'm not that worried.

250
00:13:36,942 --> 00:13:38,282
I'm slightly worried, but.

251
00:13:38,282 --> 00:13:40,137
Laughter.

252
00:13:42,087 --> 00:13:46,507
Alright, you got a
thousand feet to descend.

253
00:13:46,507 --> 00:13:50,427
emergency descent to forest
landing, look out for the southeast.

254
00:13:53,587 --> 00:13:56,937
South Praxis area, Red Rock six east,
two miles to the west of Papachula, four

255
00:13:56,937 --> 00:14:00,437
thousand descending, three thousand three
hundred north, back to Falcon, southeast.

256
00:14:10,167 --> 00:14:11,869
Okay, so it's like 30, 40 miles.

257
00:14:11,869 --> 00:14:12,855
That's a good deal.

258
00:14:12,855 --> 00:14:15,027
Uh, I hope he's not heading back too.

259
00:14:15,027 --> 00:14:20,862
Alright, you can come right,
uh, heading, let's say 0 5 0.

260
00:14:20,862 --> 00:14:22,321
0 5 0.

261
00:14:22,321 --> 00:14:22,807
0

262
00:14:28,567 --> 00:14:30,997
5 0 and keep that descent coming.

263
00:14:32,792 --> 00:14:35,402
Um, we're gonna keep the speed up to
try to get ahead of this Oxford so

264
00:14:35,402 --> 00:14:36,812
you can honestly almost go full power.

265
00:14:36,812 --> 00:14:36,932
Okay.

266
00:14:39,082 --> 00:14:40,222
Alright, 130, man.

267
00:14:40,392 --> 00:14:40,932
Alright, good.

268
00:14:41,032 --> 00:14:43,512
Yeah, I just want to get some
separation between this guy,

269
00:14:44,882 --> 00:14:46,792
just for safety, but good job.

270
00:14:47,672 --> 00:14:50,782
Southeast Bracketeria, 2791, 4, 000,
Johnson's Ranch going southbound.

271
00:14:51,942 --> 00:14:54,422
He was coming kinda right at
us, same altitude, he's also

272
00:14:54,422 --> 00:14:55,662
heading back to Falcon, so.

273
00:15:00,722 --> 00:15:02,702
Alright, you can start, you
can pull that power back now.

274
00:15:02,702 --> 00:15:04,882
You can go down to like
2, 300 or fine now.

275
00:15:05,072 --> 00:15:05,292
Standing

276
00:15:07,682 --> 00:15:08,972
way below for some reason.

277
00:15:08,972 --> 00:15:11,202
So maybe he's just going to
transition through Chandler or do

278
00:15:11,202 --> 00:15:12,302
some landings there or something.

279
00:15:12,602 --> 00:15:12,842
I don't know.

280
00:15:16,802 --> 00:15:17,612
Help you out a little bit.

281
00:15:17,872 --> 00:15:18,012
There we go.

282
00:15:18,772 --> 00:15:21,982
Just clear of that, Bravo
clear of this shelf.

283
00:15:21,992 --> 00:15:22,972
We'll just go right in the middle.

284
00:15:23,272 --> 00:15:23,542
Got it.

285
00:15:27,922 --> 00:15:30,612
I want to look out so bad and
like see where Chandler is.

286
00:15:30,992 --> 00:15:31,602
Yeah, I know.

287
00:15:34,222 --> 00:15:35,522
Take a quick peek for a second.

288
00:15:36,467 --> 00:15:44,707
Right.

289
00:15:46,167 --> 00:15:48,697
Looks like there's some wind pushing it
kind of maybe to the left a little bit.

290
00:15:48,697 --> 00:15:51,257
So really just kind of go
kind of towards the middle.

291
00:15:51,257 --> 00:15:52,567
You don't even have to follow this line.

292
00:15:52,577 --> 00:15:53,997
Just kind of put us right in the center.

293
00:15:54,157 --> 00:15:54,437
Got it.

294
00:15:55,097 --> 00:15:55,707
You know what I'm saying?

295
00:15:55,797 --> 00:15:55,997
Yep.

296
00:15:57,447 --> 00:15:59,837
Maybe like a zero four
five heading almost.

297
00:16:00,687 --> 00:16:01,527
Zero four zero.

298
00:16:01,527 --> 00:16:02,337
Zero four five.

299
00:16:04,327 --> 00:16:08,257
Southwest Factory, Oxford 6154,
we're about 2 miles northwest of

300
00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:10,987
Meccawood Town, tune in to the
tailgate for the first landing.

301
00:16:12,917 --> 00:16:15,727
Come right, 045 for now.

302
00:16:15,727 --> 00:16:16,497
045, got it.

303
00:16:20,227 --> 00:16:22,897
And you're 10 miles, so you
can switch over to tower.

304
00:16:24,207 --> 00:16:27,537
Morning helicopter, MD 8, filtrate
ramp lights are in position to the

305
00:16:27,537 --> 00:16:29,267
echo ramp for the MD 2 with PAPA.

306
00:16:29,267 --> 00:16:30,557
MD 8, MD 2 approved.

307
00:16:30,557 --> 00:16:33,917
MD 8.

308
00:16:37,697 --> 00:16:40,937
And you can say, uh, Falcon Tower,
Red Rock 60 is 10 miles to the

309
00:16:41,107 --> 00:16:43,267
south, inbound, full stop with PAPA.

310
00:16:46,027 --> 00:16:50,107
Falcon Tower, Red Rock 60 is 10 miles to
the south, inbound with PAPA, full stop.

311
00:16:50,842 --> 00:16:54,532
This is 9774 Fall Cherokee on a mile
final runway, 4 left clear to land.

312
00:16:55,122 --> 00:16:56,912
4 left clear to land, number 2, 9774.

313
00:16:58,572 --> 00:17:00,582
Red Rock 60, Fox Tower,
straight in runway 4 right.

314
00:17:01,472 --> 00:17:03,392
Straight in for 4 right, Red Rock 60.

315
00:17:04,792 --> 00:17:05,212
Beautiful, Bill.

316
00:17:08,632 --> 00:17:09,082
Nice job.

317
00:17:09,392 --> 00:17:10,882
Alright, we're clear of
that traffic over there.

318
00:17:11,232 --> 00:17:12,272
Say the call sign one more time.

319
00:17:15,812 --> 00:17:17,356
I don't know what he's talking about.

320
00:17:17,356 --> 00:17:21,758
Talking to someone else in here.

321
00:17:21,758 --> 00:17:25,742
Spreading It's kind of sandwiching.

322
00:17:25,742 --> 00:17:30,002
It's not fun kind of dodging the airspace,
but you get used to it after a while.

323
00:17:30,002 --> 00:17:32,151
I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you.

324
00:17:32,151 --> 00:17:36,002
I was going to say, it's not really
ideal just threading between airspaces,

325
00:17:36,002 --> 00:17:37,042
but after a while you get used to it.

326
00:17:39,782 --> 00:17:43,302
Alright, so now that we're past Chandler's
airspace, you can descend and maintain

327
00:17:43,302 --> 00:17:45,172
2, 400 traffic pattern altitude.

328
00:17:46,792 --> 00:17:48,712
2, 400.

329
00:17:48,712 --> 00:17:49,062
2, 400.

330
00:17:52,002 --> 00:17:55,122
We want to be, by the time we
hit that airspace for Falcon,

331
00:17:55,122 --> 00:17:56,562
we want to be at 2, 400.

332
00:17:58,772 --> 00:18:00,702
So you can continue with your
before landing checklist,

333
00:18:00,712 --> 00:18:01,862
because we made that first call.

334
00:18:02,122 --> 00:18:02,412
Alright.

335
00:18:05,312 --> 00:18:07,732
Before landing, fuel pump on.

336
00:18:09,972 --> 00:18:11,402
Got to do a scan between each item.

337
00:18:11,462 --> 00:18:11,892
I know.

338
00:18:12,132 --> 00:18:14,692
Uh, fuel, proper tank, I
think we're still good.

339
00:18:14,692 --> 00:18:14,922
Yep.

340
00:18:15,652 --> 00:18:16,402
Uh, mixture.

341
00:18:16,402 --> 00:18:16,822
Rich.

342
00:18:16,822 --> 00:18:17,602
We're still rich.

343
00:18:18,332 --> 00:18:19,922
RRP is 10.

344
00:18:25,262 --> 00:18:25,952
Ending light.

345
00:18:27,182 --> 00:18:27,662
That other one.

346
00:18:27,752 --> 00:18:28,112
There you go.

347
00:18:28,742 --> 00:18:30,092
And five miles out.

348
00:18:31,412 --> 00:18:32,252
That's for Unpowered.

349
00:18:33,022 --> 00:18:34,582
They said straight in four, right?

350
00:18:36,762 --> 00:18:39,267
Oh, route one Probably.

351
00:18:39,302 --> 00:18:42,062
Yankee, can you make go below, go 700.

352
00:18:42,692 --> 00:18:44,252
We're gonna kinda, we're gonna turn left.

353
00:18:44,252 --> 00:18:44,402
Heading.

354
00:18:44,672 --> 00:18:45,062
We're ready.

355
00:18:45,062 --> 00:18:48,602
3 6 0 1 Bra Yankee Roger, make
the right turn on Delta four.

356
00:18:48,617 --> 00:18:49,127
Delta Duke.

357
00:18:50,252 --> 00:18:52,442
Okay, Delta 2 holding short
of 4 right, 1 Bravo Yankee.

358
00:18:56,902 --> 00:18:59,032
Red Rock 71, right Delta
6, contact ground, see ya.

359
00:18:59,492 --> 00:19:00,962
Delta 6, Delta ground, 10 4, see ya.

360
00:19:01,212 --> 00:19:04,482
Roger, 2781, runway 48 full
length, line up and wait.

361
00:19:05,402 --> 00:19:07,692
Line up and wait, Delta 421, 2781.

362
00:19:08,592 --> 00:19:11,422
Rocket 1, Bravo Yankee, runway
48 at Delta 2, clear for takeoff.

363
00:19:11,632 --> 00:19:12,172
Fly straight out.

364
00:19:13,112 --> 00:19:15,272
Okay, Rocket 1, Bravo Yankee,
cleared for takeoff, straight out.

365
00:19:15,272 --> 00:19:17,852
Yeah, it should even out, yeah,
for acceleration there, perfect.

366
00:19:21,562 --> 00:19:24,962
Yeah, talking to ROX for 3966, could
we get a short approach on this one?

367
00:19:25,242 --> 00:19:27,802
Roger, 3966, make short approach,
runway 4 left, cleared for option.

368
00:19:28,802 --> 00:19:31,712
Short approach, 4 left, cleared for
the option, thank you, ROX for 3966.

369
00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:34,642
Roger, ROX 60, runway 48,
continue traffic in position.

370
00:19:36,147 --> 00:19:37,677
We're continuing Red Rock 60.

371
00:19:38,937 --> 00:19:39,117
Perfect.

372
00:19:42,677 --> 00:19:47,877
Falcon Tower, Oxford 9750, requesting
Chandler Arrival with information Papa.

373
00:19:48,307 --> 00:19:50,264
Tell me when I can see again.

374
00:19:50,264 --> 00:19:54,363
I know, I was just thinking about that.

375
00:19:54,363 --> 00:19:58,974
Left turn Echo 4, 4 left via Echo 98774.

376
00:19:58,974 --> 00:20:02,097
Cleared for takeoff,
runway 4R, Oxford 2781.

377
00:20:04,582 --> 00:20:07,002
You can slowly start your
descent down at 2, 000.

378
00:20:07,002 --> 00:20:07,642
Start the descent?

379
00:20:07,642 --> 00:20:09,532
Yeah, you can slowly start
your descent down at 2, 000.

380
00:20:14,952 --> 00:20:16,972
Once you hit 2, 000, you
can take your focals off.

381
00:20:17,852 --> 00:20:19,262
Rec 1 Bravo Yankee right turn approved.

382
00:20:19,992 --> 00:20:21,562
Right turn 1 Bravo Yankee, thanks.

383
00:20:31,052 --> 00:20:35,872
Knox 5542, boundary tower, delay
approved, runway 4 4 right,

384
00:20:37,742 --> 00:20:39,552
cleared for takeoff, Knox 5542.

385
00:20:41,292 --> 00:20:44,312
Knox 9750, reduce speed, following
Cherokee 12 o'clock, 2 miles,

386
00:20:44,512 --> 00:20:45,532
runway 4 right, cleared to land.

387
00:20:46,452 --> 00:20:49,002
Reduce speed, 4 right,
cleared to land, Knox 9750.

388
00:20:49,302 --> 00:20:50,892
Red Rock 60, runway 4
right, cleared to land.

389
00:20:51,992 --> 00:20:53,592
Cleared to land, 4 right, Red Rock 60.

390
00:20:53,592 --> 00:20:55,883
Alright, just do a normal landing.

391
00:20:55,883 --> 00:20:56,646
Welcome back.

392
00:20:56,646 --> 00:20:57,410
See ya.

393
00:20:57,410 --> 00:21:00,132
3, 400 eastbound Cherokee.

394
00:21:00,222 --> 00:21:02,832
Alright, I'm gonna go ahead and
put, uh, Can you hold that, please?

395
00:21:03,092 --> 00:21:03,362
Thank you.

396
00:21:03,362 --> 00:21:04,372
Alright, one Bravo Yankee, roger.

397
00:21:04,822 --> 00:21:05,682
Break change approved, Stu.

398
00:21:06,502 --> 00:21:07,282
Okay, see you in a while, thanks.

399
00:21:09,547 --> 00:21:10,297
MD a's ready to go.

400
00:21:10,297 --> 00:21:12,132
Yankee two, MDA Yankee two approved.

401
00:21:12,892 --> 00:21:13,172
MD eight.

402
00:21:14,497 --> 00:21:14,887
Hello.

403
00:21:14,887 --> 00:21:15,312
Watch your out.

404
00:21:15,312 --> 00:21:15,552
Dude.

405
00:21:15,602 --> 00:21:15,952
Could

406
00:21:20,232 --> 00:21:21,147
be about 1800, right?

407
00:21:21,477 --> 00:21:24,447
1, 3, 0, 2 Charlie 10
miles east Northeast.

408
00:21:25,197 --> 00:21:26,337
3,600 landing.

409
00:21:26,337 --> 00:21:26,697
Popup

410
00:21:30,337 --> 00:21:30,937
90.

411
00:21:31,497 --> 00:21:32,547
November 1, 3 0 2.

412
00:21:32,547 --> 00:21:34,587
Charlie Falcon Tower Make
right traffic runway.

413
00:21:34,587 --> 00:21:34,977
Four, eight.

414
00:21:35,767 --> 00:21:35,917
Right?

415
00:21:35,917 --> 00:21:36,367
Traffic.

416
00:21:36,367 --> 00:21:36,577
Four.

417
00:21:36,577 --> 00:21:36,907
Right.

418
00:21:37,147 --> 00:21:37,957
Columbia is zero two.

419
00:21:37,957 --> 00:21:40,117
Charlie, you don't need to add collapse.

420
00:21:40,207 --> 00:21:42,727
Yeah, if you're a little low,
you can always add power.

421
00:21:42,727 --> 00:21:43,298
Oh, I got the one in.

422
00:21:46,942 --> 00:21:49,012
With the gusting, it's probably
better not to go full flaps.

423
00:21:49,112 --> 00:21:49,882
No, probably not.

424
00:21:49,922 --> 00:21:51,082
So let's just stay at 25.

425
00:21:52,872 --> 00:21:53,512
We're clear to land.

426
00:21:53,512 --> 00:21:54,302
Additional traffic is

427
00:22:00,182 --> 00:22:05,647
12 o'clock, one mile, three thousand
six hundred eastbound Cherokee.

428
00:22:06,007 --> 00:22:06,407
Yes, sir.

429
00:22:06,407 --> 00:22:06,757
Thank you.

430
00:22:06,767 --> 00:22:09,337
Have them and we're going to
pass behind them to his right.

431
00:22:10,397 --> 00:22:11,977
Keep the flap settings
where it's at, right?

432
00:22:13,817 --> 00:22:17,507
You could go flap 25 if you
really need to, but right now it

433
00:22:17,507 --> 00:22:19,017
seems like this is doing us fine.

434
00:22:19,277 --> 00:22:19,547
Yeah.

435
00:22:21,517 --> 00:22:24,387
Because you're still a little low, so you
don't need to add another set of flaps.

436
00:22:24,387 --> 00:22:25,775
That's what I would decide to.

437
00:22:25,775 --> 00:22:26,897
I just wanted to make sure.

438
00:22:29,227 --> 00:22:30,747
3966, roger, left traffic.

439
00:22:30,747 --> 00:22:35,407
Left, 3966, and then, uh, can we try
that, uh, that short approach again?

440
00:22:35,667 --> 00:22:36,507
Alright, I got one, white.

441
00:22:36,507 --> 00:22:38,167
3966, short approach, runway
four left, clear to option.

442
00:22:38,977 --> 00:22:44,167
Short approach, four left, clear
for the option, OXA 3966, Flaps

443
00:22:46,547 --> 00:22:48,637
set, approach stable,
clear to land, 4 right.

444
00:22:48,637 --> 00:22:54,797
Still at 80.

445
00:22:56,477 --> 00:22:56,867
Perfect.

446
00:22:59,217 --> 00:23:02,342
Still got one way,
almost two, there's two.

447
00:23:02,342 --> 00:23:07,961
Make sure to not land with brakes.

448
00:23:07,961 --> 00:23:12,447
Get directional control, then add brakes.

449
00:23:12,447 --> 00:23:17,722
Little high.

450
00:23:17,722 --> 00:23:23,983
Oh, he's getting on the
controls with you lately.

451
00:23:23,983 --> 00:23:26,069
Nice little power.

452
00:23:26,069 --> 00:23:28,852
I'm gonna let that

453
00:23:31,792 --> 00:23:32,622
airspeed bleed off.

454
00:23:32,662 --> 00:23:33,092
Beautiful.

455
00:23:34,112 --> 00:23:34,382
Perfect.

456
00:23:34,382 --> 00:23:38,672
Right on Delta 6

457
00:23:41,232 --> 00:23:46,952
and we'll contact ground, Red Rock 60.

458
00:23:46,952 --> 00:23:49,915
Oh, it says all the plants on the runway.

459
00:23:49,915 --> 00:23:51,487
It's a bunch of crap out here.

460
00:23:54,137 --> 00:23:55,997
AJ Approved, 5542.

461
00:23:56,777 --> 00:24:00,086
Columbia, 02Charlie, runway 4
right clear to land, number 1.

462
00:24:00,086 --> 00:24:03,353
Clear on number, uh, clear on
4 right, 02Charlie, number 1.

463
00:24:03,353 --> 00:24:05,677
And come to a stop
after that assault line.

464
00:24:08,577 --> 00:24:09,307
Clear, clear.

465
00:24:09,367 --> 00:24:10,257
Near Delta 6.

466
00:24:15,147 --> 00:24:18,747
Talking ground, Red Rock 60
is off at 4 right at Delta 6.

467
00:24:18,827 --> 00:24:19,437
Going to parking.

468
00:24:20,027 --> 00:24:21,727
Red Rock 60 talking ground,
taxi parking via Delta.

469
00:24:23,447 --> 00:24:25,397
Taxi to parking via Delta, Red Rock 60.

470
00:24:27,077 --> 00:24:27,407
Nicely done.

471
00:24:28,952 --> 00:24:32,062
That's my, uh, fuel timer going on.

472
00:24:32,062 --> 00:24:35,212
I'm glad you didn't switch it, um,
when we're that low to the ground

473
00:24:35,292 --> 00:24:36,422
in case something were to go wrong.

474
00:24:37,032 --> 00:24:37,302
Right.

475
00:24:37,332 --> 00:24:37,632
Okay.

476
00:24:37,632 --> 00:24:39,807
We'll just go, yeah, we'll
just go right next to, uh, six.

477
00:24:39,807 --> 00:24:39,927
Six

478
00:24:43,382 --> 00:24:43,472
KY.

479
00:24:43,472 --> 00:24:43,652
Four.

480
00:24:43,652 --> 00:24:43,802
Three.

481
00:24:43,802 --> 00:24:43,982
Three.

482
00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:45,212
Charlie F and grand runway.

483
00:24:45,212 --> 00:24:46,202
Four Delta.

484
00:24:47,312 --> 00:24:48,032
Delta four.

485
00:24:48,032 --> 00:24:48,332
Right.

486
00:24:48,452 --> 00:24:49,142
Uh, three Charlie.

487
00:24:49,442 --> 00:24:49,742
Thank you.

488
00:24:50,662 --> 00:24:52,942
And we'll just line ourselves up with
those wings and we'll do our after

489
00:24:52,942 --> 00:24:55,462
landing checklist, and then we'll
do our parking secure checklist.

490
00:24:58,322 --> 00:24:58,802
Okay.

491
00:25:03,662 --> 00:25:03,842
Yeah.

492
00:25:03,842 --> 00:25:04,532
A thousand's fine

493
00:25:05,342 --> 00:25:07,892
after landing lap.

494
00:25:08,372 --> 00:25:09,602
I already got those.

495
00:25:10,537 --> 00:25:17,717
Fuel pump off, landing light
off, Carb heat still in.

496
00:25:17,717 --> 00:25:18,557
Pulling that anyway.

497
00:25:22,137 --> 00:25:24,537
Braking brake is on, mixture cut off.

498
00:25:26,267 --> 00:25:27,457
Hold on, wait till it, wait till it.

499
00:25:27,457 --> 00:25:27,987
I will, I will.

500
00:25:27,987 --> 00:25:34,051
Alright, magnetos are Okay.

501
00:25:34,051 --> 00:25:35,271
So pretty good flight.

502
00:25:35,721 --> 00:25:38,681
I was learning, making some
mistakes and had a lot of mistakes

503
00:25:38,681 --> 00:25:39,981
to learn from yet to come.

504
00:25:40,551 --> 00:25:44,881
I was able to land okay in the gusts,
although it wasn't too far off the runway

505
00:25:44,881 --> 00:25:48,841
heading, so it wasn't too hard, but I
was happy to be getting experiences that

506
00:25:48,841 --> 00:25:50,751
would continue to make me a better pilot.

507
00:25:51,298 --> 00:25:54,098
I was having a lot of fun with
Eddie and I was just so happy to

508
00:25:54,108 --> 00:25:57,588
be flying again, even though I
could barely look outside anymore.

509
00:25:58,188 --> 00:25:59,528
So let me know what you think.

510
00:26:00,048 --> 00:26:01,298
Am I going to make it through this?

511
00:26:01,995 --> 00:26:04,725
All right, it's time for
today's Beyond the Checkride.

512
00:26:05,015 --> 00:26:10,375
Let's bring Kent back into the SPC
studios and see what he has for us today.

513
00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:15,709
All right.

514
00:26:15,709 --> 00:26:18,985
I'm back with Kent Shook for
another Beyond the Checkride.

515
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:19,959
Kent, how are you doing?

516
00:26:20,339 --> 00:26:21,579
Excellent as usual.

517
00:26:21,779 --> 00:26:23,269
I'm always happy when I get to talk

518
00:26:23,405 --> 00:26:23,985
Awesome.

519
00:26:26,374 --> 00:26:28,934
And what topic do you have for us today?

520
00:26:29,978 --> 00:26:37,608
Well, this one's important because it is
one of the top three causes of accidents

521
00:26:37,608 --> 00:26:42,378
that I think have been the top three
for a really, really, really long time.

522
00:26:43,048 --> 00:26:44,118
those three things.

523
00:26:44,413 --> 00:26:48,203
Of course, are into weather
you're not prepared for.

524
00:26:49,043 --> 00:26:49,813
are the airplane.

525
00:26:51,623 --> 00:26:55,233
Quote, maneuvering flight, which
means, you know, buzzing your

526
00:26:55,233 --> 00:26:58,213
buddy's house because you think
it's cool and then crashing into

527
00:26:58,213 --> 00:26:59,753
power lines or something like that.

528
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,659
Or, you know what the third one is.

529
00:27:03,659 --> 00:27:04,189
What is it?

530
00:27:06,141 --> 00:27:07,291
Fuel problems.

531
00:27:08,129 --> 00:27:09,039
Absolutely.

532
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:14,109
We S for some silly reason, we
cannot stop running out of gas.

533
00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:20,919
It's my opinion, the dumbest reason to
crash an airplane, because, you know,

534
00:27:20,969 --> 00:27:26,469
there are so many ways of being prepared
and having lots and lots of fuel.

535
00:27:27,149 --> 00:27:31,779
know, personally, I want an
hour minimum, even if it's on

536
00:27:31,789 --> 00:27:34,479
a Clear, beautiful VFR day.

537
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:41,399
I think I recently told you the story
about how I was flying an airplane

538
00:27:41,399 --> 00:27:47,359
that had more than a 7 hour endurance
and it had been flown for 45 minutes

539
00:27:47,389 --> 00:27:52,509
before I flew it and I decided to
have it topped off anyway and after

540
00:27:52,509 --> 00:27:54,269
I flew I was really glad I had.

541
00:27:54,809 --> 00:28:00,336
So, yeah, I mean, there's a reason that
the saying goes, the only time you can

542
00:28:00,336 --> 00:28:02,186
have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

543
00:28:02,831 --> 00:28:03,211
Right.

544
00:28:03,419 --> 00:28:09,769
And one thing that I think would help
that a lot Is I always wonder, you know,

545
00:28:10,179 --> 00:28:13,559
if someone's flying home from a, uh, G.

546
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:13,669
A.

547
00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:17,349
vacation, know, and it's getting
kind of late Sunday night, and

548
00:28:17,349 --> 00:28:21,409
all the FBOs are closed, and their
fuel's getting kind of marginal.

549
00:28:22,299 --> 00:28:26,479
How many people have crashed because
they just went, well, I don't really

550
00:28:26,479 --> 00:28:31,439
know how to fuel my own airplane, and
I'm probably going to be okay, and

551
00:28:31,439 --> 00:28:35,679
I just want to get home, I'm tired,
and, you know, so they push it.

552
00:28:36,139 --> 00:28:38,029
And then run out of gas.

553
00:28:38,059 --> 00:28:39,539
You know, how much does that happen?

554
00:28:39,959 --> 00:28:40,389
If you look

555
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:41,239
in the NTSB

556
00:28:41,341 --> 00:28:41,651
Yeah.

557
00:28:41,969 --> 00:28:42,259
there

558
00:28:42,259 --> 00:28:47,869
are so many of these running out of
fuel accidents that just make you

559
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:50,929
facepalm what were you thinking?

560
00:28:51,729 --> 00:28:55,619
And I really just think in many
cases, it's because people have

561
00:28:55,619 --> 00:28:58,039
never fueled an airplane themselves.

562
00:28:58,109 --> 00:28:59,219
And it's not something

563
00:28:59,219 --> 00:28:59,989
that's taught to

564
00:29:00,031 --> 00:29:00,471
Yeah.

565
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:01,859
during primary training.

566
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:06,274
Unless They're at one of the airports
that maybe doesn't have fuel trucks,

567
00:29:06,274 --> 00:29:11,324
and it's their flight school's that, you
know, they fuel the airplane as soon as

568
00:29:11,324 --> 00:29:15,234
they're done flying, but other than that
one limited circumstance, I think most

569
00:29:15,254 --> 00:29:19,804
people get a private pilot certificate
and have no clue how to fuel an airplane.

570
00:29:20,884 --> 00:29:21,464
Um,

571
00:29:21,671 --> 00:29:22,221
agree.

572
00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:28,251
I, I hadn't ever fueled an airplane,
uh, when I got my private certificate.

573
00:29:28,251 --> 00:29:28,281
Yeah.

574
00:29:30,771 --> 00:29:35,391
I didn't learn it until I joined the
club of our, or we had to fill all of our

575
00:29:35,391 --> 00:29:37,350
own airplanes, even at our home airport.

576
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:41,023
there was only self serve there, um,
because I, I started flying out of a

577
00:29:41,023 --> 00:29:46,923
small private airport and, you know,
it's so wonky to me that you can be a

578
00:29:46,943 --> 00:29:51,783
pilot and I didn't think about it at the
time, but I thought about it afterwards

579
00:29:51,783 --> 00:29:55,223
when I thought, man, I don't know how
to fuel my own airplane, but it, it

580
00:29:55,223 --> 00:29:59,393
seems really strange that you can be
a pilot and not ever have been taught.

581
00:29:59,728 --> 00:30:02,018
how to fuel, um, an airplane.

582
00:30:02,428 --> 00:30:05,898
But I think, like you said, I think
a lot of people are in that boat.

583
00:30:06,598 --> 00:30:07,808
So I think this is a great topic.

584
00:30:09,166 --> 00:30:14,316
yeah, I would guess it's probably the
vast majority of people, until you

585
00:30:14,316 --> 00:30:18,816
get to the point where you're flying
into little rural places a lot, or,

586
00:30:19,096 --> 00:30:22,306
you know, maybe you get into back
country flying or something like that.

587
00:30:22,846 --> 00:30:25,366
there's, there's probably a lot of
people who make it all the way to the

588
00:30:25,366 --> 00:30:27,276
airlines without ever having fueled an

589
00:30:27,346 --> 00:30:27,836
airplane.

590
00:30:27,836 --> 00:30:28,226
So,

591
00:30:28,398 --> 00:30:28,978
probably true.

592
00:30:28,978 --> 00:30:29,328
Yeah.

593
00:30:30,766 --> 00:30:32,226
anyway, so let's, let's kind

594
00:30:32,373 --> 00:30:33,603
And then they still don't have to.

595
00:30:33,606 --> 00:30:35,086
through the whole process.

596
00:30:35,086 --> 00:30:39,956
I mean, there's, I don't know how
many FBOs there are the world,

597
00:30:40,106 --> 00:30:45,226
but I do know that airports that
have an FBO are in the minority.

598
00:30:45,916 --> 00:30:51,006
There are so many places out there
where, you know, you stop at Podunk

599
00:30:51,036 --> 00:30:55,576
Municipal, and you can stop and
you can fuel up your own airplane.

600
00:30:55,933 --> 00:30:57,813
so let's talk about how you do that.

601
00:30:59,043 --> 00:31:02,293
First of all, of course, you
want to pull up to the pump.

602
00:31:02,313 --> 00:31:08,653
Um, my preferred method of doing it is
to the left wing closer to the pump.

603
00:31:08,673 --> 00:31:12,423
It's just so that I can taxi
back out when I go to leave.

604
00:31:12,423 --> 00:31:15,553
Because I fly a really heavy airplane,
it's kind of hard to push back.

605
00:31:16,393 --> 00:31:21,038
if you're flying something lighter,
it's Like a 152, 172, something like

606
00:31:21,038 --> 00:31:24,518
that, that you can push pretty easily,
then it's okay to just go ahead and

607
00:31:25,148 --> 00:31:26,598
pull straight up to the pump.

608
00:31:26,924 --> 00:31:27,224
Yeah.

609
00:31:27,424 --> 00:31:27,824
I've

610
00:31:28,218 --> 00:31:29,838
and this is a scenario where,

611
00:31:29,904 --> 00:31:30,994
always done that too.

612
00:31:31,988 --> 00:31:34,988
okay, yeah, this is a scenario
where I think using the parking

613
00:31:34,988 --> 00:31:37,988
brake is usually an easy way to go.

614
00:31:37,988 --> 00:31:40,908
That way you don't have to worry
about chocks once you get out.

615
00:31:42,188 --> 00:31:44,538
But yeah, park the
airplane in a good spot.

616
00:31:44,548 --> 00:31:48,378
You basically want to be able
to easily pull the fuel hose

617
00:31:48,398 --> 00:31:50,158
out in front of the airplane.

618
00:31:50,178 --> 00:31:55,418
So when I'm in the Mooney, like I said,
I kind of point my left wing toward

619
00:31:55,418 --> 00:32:00,278
where the pumps are, but I want the
pump to be kind of at a 45 degree angle.

620
00:32:00,338 --> 00:32:04,298
to the front and left of
me out past the wingtip.

621
00:32:04,338 --> 00:32:08,548
And that way, if I pull the
fuel hose straight out, I'm

622
00:32:08,548 --> 00:32:10,078
going in front of the nose.

623
00:32:10,078 --> 00:32:12,788
I'm not, you know, getting into
the prop or anything like that.

624
00:32:13,398 --> 00:32:17,198
I'm not trying to pull it around my
nose gear or any of that sort of thing.

625
00:32:17,198 --> 00:32:19,928
So park it in a good position like that.

626
00:32:21,138 --> 00:32:21,948
Shut down.

627
00:32:22,773 --> 00:32:28,323
Turn that parking brake on, hop out,
and then, of course, you gotta pay.

628
00:32:29,213 --> 00:32:35,103
I think there's, there's only about three
or maybe four different types of payment

629
00:32:35,103 --> 00:32:37,063
terminals at all the airports in the U.

630
00:32:37,063 --> 00:32:37,423
S.

631
00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:41,973
for some reason I can't think of what
any of them are called right now, but

632
00:32:42,613 --> 00:32:44,363
they're all fairly straightforward.

633
00:32:44,428 --> 00:32:44,638
Yeah.

634
00:32:44,638 --> 00:32:47,648
The payment terminal, you should be
able to operate, but the fuel pumps

635
00:32:47,648 --> 00:32:49,828
are different than most people are, or

636
00:32:49,843 --> 00:32:51,123
yeah, and we'll get to that.

637
00:32:51,838 --> 00:32:53,048
used to with cars.

638
00:32:53,068 --> 00:32:55,008
So yeah, or,

639
00:32:55,032 --> 00:33:02,022
be aware of is that some airports will
have a timeout in between when you, make

640
00:33:02,022 --> 00:33:05,062
your payment and when you start the pump.

641
00:33:05,952 --> 00:33:12,212
So, one thing that I've seen a lot of
people do to pull out the fuel hose.

642
00:33:12,362 --> 00:33:17,252
First, before you do the payment
terminal, and that way, as soon as

643
00:33:17,252 --> 00:33:20,232
you're done with your payment, you
can go straight to the switch that

644
00:33:20,232 --> 00:33:23,752
turns the pump on and turn it right
on so that you don't get that timeout.

645
00:33:24,716 --> 00:33:30,516
I will say I often don't do that, but
there have been times where that's

646
00:33:30,516 --> 00:33:33,316
bitten me and I've had to go through
the whole credit card procedure a second

647
00:33:33,316 --> 00:33:37,566
time because the pump had a really
short timeout and I didn't get the hose

648
00:33:37,586 --> 00:33:40,506
out quick enough, so to be aware of.

649
00:33:41,046 --> 00:33:45,726
the other thing is on All of those payment
terminals, they're at some point going

650
00:33:45,726 --> 00:33:48,106
to ask you, is the aircraft grounded?

651
00:33:48,266 --> 00:33:52,536
So, this isn't your car, you're not
buying 10 gallons of fuel most likely.

652
00:33:53,246 --> 00:33:58,751
in fact, bonus to being able to fuel
your own airplane is that you don't have

653
00:33:58,751 --> 00:34:01,161
to buy your fuel from an expensive FBO.

654
00:34:01,161 --> 00:34:06,391
you know, I'm based at a field that has
Atlantic Aviation and they are not cheap.

655
00:34:07,641 --> 00:34:14,091
I can save like a buck fifty, two bucks a
gallon and my fuel capacity is 90 gallons.

656
00:34:14,091 --> 00:34:18,811
And so sometimes I'm going and
buying 75 or 80 gallons at a time.

657
00:34:18,811 --> 00:34:20,771
and at two bucks a
gallon, that's real money.

658
00:34:21,971 --> 00:34:22,461
so that.

659
00:34:22,946 --> 00:34:26,896
Flight to the little airport that
has the cheap fuel pays for itself.

660
00:34:27,486 --> 00:34:30,816
If you needed any more incentive to listen
to the rest of this segment, there it is.

661
00:34:30,816 --> 00:34:32,856
This can save you a whole lot of money.

662
00:34:33,522 --> 00:34:36,262
or better yet, get you a little
extra flying for no more money.

663
00:34:36,506 --> 00:34:37,256
Exactly.

664
00:34:37,306 --> 00:34:38,916
I mean, that's, that's, how I look at it.

665
00:34:38,916 --> 00:34:45,026
Hey, I get to have a nice little flight
basically for free and you know, that's

666
00:34:45,026 --> 00:34:48,626
not to say that you shouldn't support
your local FBO But I don't think

667
00:34:48,626 --> 00:34:52,176
Atlantic Aviation is gonna miss my
money when they're fueling Gulfstreams

668
00:34:52,176 --> 00:34:56,556
and Falcons and such In fact, I'm I'm
probably more of an inconvenience to them

669
00:34:56,566 --> 00:34:57,836
if anything at that point

670
00:34:58,112 --> 00:34:58,542
Yeah.

671
00:34:58,542 --> 00:35:01,612
We're, we're a nuisance
to operations like that.

672
00:35:02,046 --> 00:35:05,486
So yeah, you know if you have a
great little mom and pop FBO at your

673
00:35:05,486 --> 00:35:09,681
home airport and you know They're
probably not charging Atlantic or

674
00:35:09,681 --> 00:35:11,301
Signature kind of money either.

675
00:35:11,881 --> 00:35:14,261
You know, definitely go ahead
and support them when you can.

676
00:35:15,251 --> 00:35:17,131
anyway, let's see, where were we?

677
00:35:17,131 --> 00:35:18,491
Grounding your airplane.

678
00:35:18,491 --> 00:35:22,091
You're going to be most likely
pumping a fair amount of fuel.

679
00:35:22,731 --> 00:35:27,581
You may have just been flying and
both of those things cause a lot of

680
00:35:27,591 --> 00:35:31,761
static electricity buildup, chances
are, you know, the electrical

681
00:35:31,761 --> 00:35:35,091
potential of the airplane is not
going to be the same as the pump.

682
00:35:35,551 --> 00:35:40,571
And so that's why there's always that
bonding strap, it's usually a wire

683
00:35:40,621 --> 00:35:45,001
that's on a little retractable spool
that you just pull out and you want to

684
00:35:45,001 --> 00:35:46,661
attach it to a part of the airplane.

685
00:35:47,421 --> 00:35:47,751
That

686
00:35:48,116 --> 00:35:49,266
Is not painted.

687
00:35:49,512 --> 00:35:52,692
it's got a big alligator
clip basically on the end.

688
00:35:54,522 --> 00:35:55,072
It's clamp.

689
00:35:55,102 --> 00:35:57,902
You just, it's spring loaded
and you just clamp it onto.

690
00:35:58,012 --> 00:36:01,762
And it's worth looking in the manual
for your airplane to see if there is a

691
00:36:01,772 --> 00:36:04,612
specified grounding point on the airplane.

692
00:36:04,972 --> 00:36:08,282
Um, you know, kind of conventional
wisdom is just something unpainted.

693
00:36:09,262 --> 00:36:14,232
a lot of, uh, FBOs I know will just
attach it to the bolt on the nose gear

694
00:36:14,232 --> 00:36:16,132
that's not painted or something like that.

695
00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:20,652
Or, I generally plug, uh, clamp mine
onto the exhaust of the airplane.

696
00:36:20,662 --> 00:36:26,842
Um, But for example, uh, on a lot
of composite airplanes, you know,

697
00:36:26,872 --> 00:36:30,732
that airplane is not all conductive
the way a metal airplane would be.

698
00:36:30,832 --> 00:36:36,162
And so, um, I don't know where you do it
on a Cirrus to be honest, but on a Diamond

699
00:36:36,162 --> 00:36:41,142
Star, there is a specific grounding
point on the underside of the wing.

700
00:36:41,152 --> 00:36:44,252
It almost looks like a spark plug
coming out the bottom of the wing.

701
00:36:44,972 --> 00:36:46,722
And that's what you're
supposed to clip it to.

702
00:36:47,082 --> 00:36:50,662
Because if you clip it to the exhaust
on a Diamond Star, there is no.

703
00:36:50,952 --> 00:36:54,262
electrical path between the
exhaust and the tanks at all.

704
00:36:55,022 --> 00:36:56,512
So just be aware of that.

705
00:36:56,512 --> 00:37:01,092
And, um, especially if you're
not on a metal airplane, make

706
00:37:01,092 --> 00:37:05,002
sure that you're grounding the
airplane at the specified point.

707
00:37:05,722 --> 00:37:10,152
And that's just to avoid having
any sparks flying in the vicinity

708
00:37:10,152 --> 00:37:11,602
of fuel when you go to fuel up.

709
00:37:12,298 --> 00:37:18,013
the other thing you want to do is
when you are fueling, keep the, filler

710
00:37:19,003 --> 00:37:22,163
against the filler neck of the airplane.

711
00:37:22,163 --> 00:37:26,293
So you have another path there
for that electricity to go.

712
00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:31,400
but really the final thing in terms
of not creating any sparks is when

713
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:37,210
you're done, don't tap against the
airplane to knock that last little drip

714
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:40,780
off because you know, pulling it off
and putting it back on, you're just

715
00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:42,680
creating another opportunity for a spark.

716
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,425
So, Keep it in contact with the
airplane until you're done with

717
00:37:47,425 --> 00:37:51,485
that tank and then just pull it
right off and don't touch it again.

718
00:37:52,934 --> 00:37:56,694
at this point, you should have your
ground strap attached to the, uh,

719
00:37:57,174 --> 00:37:58,974
the proper point on your airplane.

720
00:37:59,314 --> 00:38:01,674
You've got your fuel hose pulled out.

721
00:38:02,374 --> 00:38:04,239
now, It's really pretty simple.

722
00:38:04,839 --> 00:38:08,619
But before I get too far ahead of myself,
let's talk about those payment terminals.

723
00:38:08,619 --> 00:38:09,059
Again,

724
00:38:11,409 --> 00:38:14,889
one of the questions it's going to ask you
is for the tail number of your airplane.

725
00:38:15,859 --> 00:38:20,859
And I know some people who I
would bet are not putting the

726
00:38:20,869 --> 00:38:22,139
tail number of their airplane.

727
00:38:22,139 --> 00:38:23,899
They're putting some
random thing in there.

728
00:38:24,569 --> 00:38:28,329
But the reason you do want to put the
tail number of your airplane in there is,

729
00:38:28,379 --> 00:38:30,749
you know, let's say you run out of fuel.

730
00:38:31,574 --> 00:38:33,994
up short, maybe it wasn't even your fault.

731
00:38:34,014 --> 00:38:38,574
Maybe you had plenty of fuel, you
know, maybe a fuel cap was loosed

732
00:38:38,574 --> 00:38:41,664
and you were, you were siphoning
some fuel overboard in flight.

733
00:38:41,664 --> 00:38:48,174
And whatever reason you ran out of
fuel, that's how you can prove that.

734
00:38:48,244 --> 00:38:50,984
Yes, I really did have more fuel aboard.

735
00:38:51,744 --> 00:38:56,914
is, they're going to be able to
go back and say, Oh, yes, November

736
00:38:56,914 --> 00:39:03,814
5, put on 80 gallons at Potomac
Municipal on their way here.

737
00:39:05,144 --> 00:39:09,624
and in the unfortunate event you don't
make it, that's how the NTSB is going

738
00:39:09,624 --> 00:39:15,189
to be able to piece together, whether
it was some sort of a mechanical thing

739
00:39:15,189 --> 00:39:19,159
where, you know, there was a fuel cap
failure or whether they just say, ah,

740
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,669
well, there goes another stupid pilot
who didn't fuel up their airplane.

741
00:39:22,669 --> 00:39:26,629
So please do go ahead and actually
put your tail number in there so

742
00:39:26,629 --> 00:39:32,744
that Um, you know, the FAA and
the NTSB can say, okay, yeah, that

743
00:39:32,744 --> 00:39:34,204
person fueled up their airplane.

744
00:39:35,324 --> 00:39:39,614
Side note, I bet November 1, is the
most commonly fueled airplane out

745
00:39:39,614 --> 00:39:43,554
there, just for those people who don't
want to put their own tail number in.

746
00:39:48,549 --> 00:39:51,489
So, you've paid for your fuel,
you've got your plane grounded,

747
00:39:51,499 --> 00:39:56,499
you've got your hose out to the
plane, got your fuel pump turned on.

748
00:39:57,269 --> 00:39:57,969
Um,

749
00:39:57,979 --> 00:39:59,829
that can happen in different ways as

750
00:39:59,860 --> 00:40:01,170
Do you yet?

751
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:02,219
You should.

752
00:40:02,290 --> 00:40:03,040
There you go.

753
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:04,160
I was going to say,

754
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,670
I was going to say that's probably the
next thing you should cover because

755
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,090
um, people aren't used to turning
on the fuel pump after they've paid.

756
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:16,890
Yeah, one thing people don't realize
is when you're fueling your car, you

757
00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:21,160
know, a lot of the pumps will still
have the thing where you lift the handle

758
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,680
and you have to flip that little thing

759
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:23,160
Mm hmm.

760
00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:23,880
what you're doing.

761
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:30,170
Um, at most airports, I would say that
the most common variety I see is that

762
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:36,180
there's a little switch that can rock up
and down, um, inside the fuel cabinet.

763
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:39,090
And it's often next to a light switch.

764
00:40:39,090 --> 00:40:43,470
That's the same style, um, that
will light up the inside of the

765
00:40:43,470 --> 00:40:45,130
cabinet if you're fueling at night.

766
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,510
Um,

767
00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:47,710
I have

768
00:40:47,725 --> 00:40:51,075
it's usually close to the um, flow meter.

769
00:40:51,805 --> 00:40:53,705
Um, that's going to tell
you how many gallons

770
00:40:53,790 --> 00:40:54,300
right.

771
00:40:54,425 --> 00:40:57,705
that's the way I see it usually
around here anyway, is it's somewhere

772
00:40:57,705 --> 00:41:02,595
around, um, you're going to see
usually an analog flow meter.

773
00:41:02,595 --> 00:41:05,235
That's going to, um,
there's a reset button.

774
00:41:05,445 --> 00:41:08,575
I don't know if you were going to get
to that, but let's you zero that out.

775
00:41:08,855 --> 00:41:11,505
Usually the on off switch
is somewhere close to that.

776
00:41:11,780 --> 00:41:12,210
Yeah.

777
00:41:12,490 --> 00:41:12,760
Yeah.

778
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,370
I would agree.

779
00:41:14,175 --> 00:41:16,015
And you just made another great point.

780
00:41:16,025 --> 00:41:20,985
Those, those analog meters, need to be
reset before you start pumping fuel.

781
00:41:21,315 --> 00:41:27,895
I would say most commonly there is a on
the right hand side that you just turn.

782
00:41:28,385 --> 00:41:34,425
Uh, so the top is going front to back and
that'll roll all the numbers down to zero

783
00:41:34,425 --> 00:41:37,825
and then you let go and you'll be able
to tell how much fuel you're pumping.

784
00:41:39,055 --> 00:41:42,455
They're, they're still, they're still
counting how much fuel you're pumping.

785
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,180
So you're going to pay for it either way.

786
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:48,330
But if you want to know how
much you're pumping, it'd be

787
00:41:48,340 --> 00:41:49,620
a good idea to zero that out.

788
00:41:49,844 --> 00:41:51,004
Yes, for sure.

789
00:41:51,004 --> 00:41:52,564
It's not going to affect
the payment at all.

790
00:41:52,564 --> 00:41:52,904
Like you

791
00:41:52,904 --> 00:41:54,744
said, um, that's just a tool

792
00:41:54,810 --> 00:41:55,110
Yep.

793
00:41:55,154 --> 00:41:56,864
for you to know how much you put in.

794
00:41:58,194 --> 00:42:03,334
Okay, so, the other thing that I have
seen is there are airports that have

795
00:42:03,354 --> 00:42:12,034
taken old school automotive fuel pumps
and done some hardware hacking to them

796
00:42:12,044 --> 00:42:14,504
to make them into aircraft fuel pumps

797
00:42:15,294 --> 00:42:16,214
so you

798
00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:18,100
I have not run across that.

799
00:42:18,110 --> 00:42:18,580
That is.

800
00:42:18,910 --> 00:42:19,600
It's pretty funny.

801
00:42:19,689 --> 00:42:22,529
you may actually need to
lift that little thing that

802
00:42:22,539 --> 00:42:24,599
would have been where the

803
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:26,289
pump handle used to be.

804
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:31,779
since aircraft pump handles are not the
same shape, they won't fit in there.

805
00:42:32,469 --> 00:42:37,829
So, um, there's usually some other
place where the pump handle goes.

806
00:42:37,879 --> 00:42:39,049
yeah, you'll see all kinds of.

807
00:42:39,374 --> 00:42:42,384
Things that have been hacked
together at small airports.

808
00:42:42,384 --> 00:42:47,004
Um, you know, everybody's making use of
the resources that they have available.

809
00:42:47,024 --> 00:42:52,994
So, just be aware that, you know, there
is quite a bit of variation out there.

810
00:42:53,874 --> 00:42:56,554
but yeah, I would say by far the
most common is that one that's

811
00:42:56,554 --> 00:43:00,374
inside the cabinet real close
to the analog meter numbers.

812
00:43:00,374 --> 00:43:06,584
And that's probably slightly into the
majority of, of, uh, small airport

813
00:43:06,764 --> 00:43:08,124
self serve pumps that I've seen.

814
00:43:08,764 --> 00:43:11,664
So, are we ready to pump fuel yet?

815
00:43:12,391 --> 00:43:16,281
try and keep the rest of the
mechanism and the hose and everything

816
00:43:16,291 --> 00:43:17,681
from touching the airplane.

817
00:43:17,681 --> 00:43:21,361
you know, even if it's your airplane
and you're paying for the next paint

818
00:43:21,361 --> 00:43:23,061
job, there's no reason to rush that.

819
00:43:24,351 --> 00:43:28,621
If you're on a high wing airplane,
Now, you're probably up on a ladder,

820
00:43:29,401 --> 00:43:36,411
so the easiest way to handle that is
to have the fuel hose coming over your

821
00:43:36,411 --> 00:43:40,831
shoulder, and that way it's not going to
make contact with the airplane at all.

822
00:43:41,825 --> 00:43:49,335
by the way, um, most, I don't
know about most, many places,

823
00:43:49,485 --> 00:43:53,995
uh, where you get self serve fuel
will have a ladder laying there.

824
00:43:54,635 --> 00:43:55,205
So,

825
00:43:55,274 --> 00:43:56,214
I would say

826
00:43:56,274 --> 00:43:57,974
pretty much everybody does.

827
00:43:58,664 --> 00:43:59,834
have never been

828
00:43:59,945 --> 00:44:00,375
yeah,

829
00:44:00,384 --> 00:44:02,684
that had self serve fuel
that didn't have a ladder.

830
00:44:02,904 --> 00:44:03,514
Or,

831
00:44:04,325 --> 00:44:06,835
I haven't either, but I haven't
been to most places, so I

832
00:44:06,835 --> 00:44:08,105
didn't want to overspeak.

833
00:44:08,604 --> 00:44:12,574
yeah, well, I mean, when I was flying
the 182 around all over the place, you

834
00:44:12,574 --> 00:44:18,339
know, I was fueling that myself, and
Um, that is one thing that, I said, I've

835
00:44:18,339 --> 00:44:22,029
never run into a place that didn't have
a ladder because they would be excluding

836
00:44:22,029 --> 00:44:24,959
the entire wing segment of the market.

837
00:44:25,399 --> 00:44:32,140
Um, speaking of Cessnas we recently
talked about securing a Your airplane

838
00:44:32,140 --> 00:44:36,760
post flight and how you need to move the
fuel selector off of the both position.

839
00:44:37,390 --> 00:44:38,740
Same thing happens here.

840
00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:45,170
If you leave your fuel selector on both,
the fuel will start draining from one

841
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:49,160
wing into the other almost immediately
when you start filling up one side.

842
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:53,640
And so, gallons can move across.

843
00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:58,710
Um, at least this is what I found in the
182 is, you'd have several gallons move

844
00:44:58,710 --> 00:45:03,210
across from one side to the other if you
fueled it with the fuel selector in both.

845
00:45:03,860 --> 00:45:07,410
And then you get on the other side and
you fill it up and well then you're

846
00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:14,730
not actually filled up anymore because,
some of your fuel, across when you

847
00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:18,330
were fueling the first tank, and so
you got some air in that tank now.

848
00:45:19,060 --> 00:45:23,420
Um, so make sure you put the fuel
selector on left or right before you

849
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:29,380
fuel up, um, on a Cessna or anything
else that has between tanks like that.

850
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:33,350
just make sure you know your fuel
system and make sure you're putting

851
00:45:33,350 --> 00:45:35,090
your fuel in the place you want it.

852
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,080
but yeah, most planes, you're going
to be fueling up one wing and then

853
00:45:39,130 --> 00:45:40,670
moving and fueling up the other one.

854
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,770
I pretty much always fuel up the
wing that's farther from the pump

855
00:45:44,780 --> 00:45:49,350
first, just so that I don't have to
pull more fuel hose out in between.

856
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:51,600
you know, if you're on a high
wing, you're going to need to

857
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,840
move your ladder in between tanks
and that sort of thing as well.

858
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,050
But once you're done, you know,
if you got that high wing, go

859
00:46:00,050 --> 00:46:01,320
ahead and put the ladder away.

860
00:46:02,010 --> 00:46:04,190
but the next thing you want
to do is turn the pump off.

861
00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:09,060
So go and find that switch wherever
you found it, turn the pump off.

862
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:12,760
And, you'll hear the pump stop and you'll
probably, if you're close enough to

863
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,180
that payment terminal, you're, you'll
hear a receipt start to print, get

864
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:21,790
everything all buttoned up, make sure
your fuel caps are on securely and.

865
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:25,890
I actually don't know what the name for
the style of fuel caps I have is, but

866
00:46:25,890 --> 00:46:28,480
it's the, you know, the flush variety.

867
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:29,743
those

868
00:46:29,783 --> 00:46:35,233
don't have to be too far off of level
with the top of the wing before they

869
00:46:35,233 --> 00:46:41,813
can start leaking fuel, I would say
it's probably, 10 degrees or less.

870
00:46:42,723 --> 00:46:45,463
and it's fairly easy to do that.

871
00:46:45,523 --> 00:46:46,073
Um,

872
00:46:46,243 --> 00:46:47,483
I know that with the

873
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:47,859
Yeah.

874
00:46:48,093 --> 00:46:49,913
we always had to double check that line.

875
00:46:49,913 --> 00:46:54,513
People had those back on straight
and I know on the Mooney once I have

876
00:46:54,513 --> 00:47:00,093
had the experience of accidentally
doing that and not noticing it myself.

877
00:47:00,153 --> 00:47:05,418
And then shortly after takeoff,
I to Well, I don't know.

878
00:47:05,418 --> 00:47:11,138
For whatever reason, I was looking out at
the left wing and I noticed this stream.

879
00:47:11,308 --> 00:47:14,328
It almost looked like smoke,
but it was just white.

880
00:47:14,368 --> 00:47:15,728
And I thought, Oh, that's cool.

881
00:47:15,748 --> 00:47:17,578
Except for that's not water vapor.

882
00:47:17,578 --> 00:47:18,838
That's fuel that I'm leaking.

883
00:47:18,838 --> 00:47:22,538
So I had to turn around and go right
back into the airport again, then

884
00:47:22,988 --> 00:47:24,978
get that fuel cap on there straight.

885
00:47:24,978 --> 00:47:26,538
So that's a good thing to double check.

886
00:47:27,338 --> 00:47:31,468
once you've got the plain doll button
back up, you're going to need to retract

887
00:47:31,608 --> 00:47:34,608
the fuel hose and that grounding strap.

888
00:47:36,678 --> 00:47:37,458
of the time.

889
00:47:38,383 --> 00:47:42,223
I would say you'll have an electric
motor on the fuel hose system.

890
00:47:42,543 --> 00:47:47,262
There are some that are manual and
they're, they're kind of a pain, Yes,

891
00:47:47,312 --> 00:47:52,882
so one trick that I learned that I,
you know, I like to leave everything

892
00:47:52,892 --> 00:47:54,432
ready to go for the next pilot.

893
00:47:55,152 --> 00:48:00,742
And if you don't have somebody there
to help you getting that fuel hose

894
00:48:00,772 --> 00:48:06,962
back onto the reel, it could be
difficult to get it evenly wound up

895
00:48:07,012 --> 00:48:08,942
across the full width of the reel.

896
00:48:09,682 --> 00:48:17,112
And so one thing that I generally do is I
my foot, just like the arch of your foot,

897
00:48:18,092 --> 00:48:22,672
up against the fuel pump as you're pushing
the button to retract the fuel hose.

898
00:48:22,672 --> 00:48:26,842
And you can use your foot to
kind of push it and right as

899
00:48:26,852 --> 00:48:28,582
it's rolling itself back up.

900
00:48:28,642 --> 00:48:29,692
And make sure that you don't.

901
00:48:30,237 --> 00:48:34,047
Get to the point where the entire
fuel hose is all on one side of the

902
00:48:34,047 --> 00:48:35,947
reel and starts getting bound up and

903
00:48:38,127 --> 00:48:43,607
One thing that some airports have on
those fuel hose reels is a clutch that

904
00:48:43,607 --> 00:48:49,817
you may have to engage or disengage To
be able to pull the fuel hose out Easily

905
00:48:49,817 --> 00:48:54,367
and then you know, you might have to re
engage a clutch to get that that motor

906
00:48:54,367 --> 00:48:56,102
to start Uh, to pull on the reel again.

907
00:48:56,112 --> 00:48:57,322
So just be aware of that.

908
00:48:57,812 --> 00:49:02,232
Um, that's usually a, a big black handle
that'll be on the side of the reel.

909
00:49:02,482 --> 00:49:06,602
Um, not super common, but
it's not exactly rare either.

910
00:49:07,499 --> 00:49:09,199
So we've got our fuel hose in.

911
00:49:09,594 --> 00:49:14,684
Uh, next thing is that, that grounding
cable, with those, if they have the

912
00:49:14,714 --> 00:49:19,974
automatic retraction, you can just
give it a little tug and it'll start

913
00:49:19,984 --> 00:49:22,434
to, to retract that on its own.

914
00:49:23,164 --> 00:49:23,704
Don't

915
00:49:23,924 --> 00:49:24,954
just let go

916
00:49:25,059 --> 00:49:26,209
Spring mechanism.

917
00:49:26,279 --> 00:49:26,589
Yeah.

918
00:49:26,664 --> 00:49:27,564
And don't just let

919
00:49:27,659 --> 00:49:28,164
Yeah.

920
00:49:28,164 --> 00:49:28,319
Yeah.

921
00:49:28,414 --> 00:49:34,324
then they zip in really quick and you
make the airport managers mad because

922
00:49:34,364 --> 00:49:38,139
it only takes a few times of that
happening before A, that, that, that

923
00:49:38,909 --> 00:49:43,569
Alligator clip is just destroyed from
dragging along the, the ground on its

924
00:49:43,569 --> 00:49:48,989
way back in, but then it also hits
the stop inside the cabinet suddenly

925
00:49:48,989 --> 00:49:53,119
and gets ripped off the cable and, you
know, messes up that spring mechanism.

926
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:58,189
So, take a hold of that
alligator clip securely, then

927
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,169
give it a tug and walk it in.

928
00:50:00,929 --> 00:50:02,669
You might want to grab your receipt.

929
00:50:03,569 --> 00:50:04,169
Um,

930
00:50:06,429 --> 00:50:11,549
you do want to be sure you sump the new
fuel because who knows if there's a leak

931
00:50:11,549 --> 00:50:14,949
in the tank at that little airport or
something, maybe there's a big rainstorm

932
00:50:14,949 --> 00:50:18,839
and their tank is full of water and
you just pumped it into your airplane.

933
00:50:18,839 --> 00:50:24,554
So definitely, Um, be diligent about
checking the fuel and making sure that

934
00:50:24,554 --> 00:50:26,614
there's no water or sediment in it.

935
00:50:27,604 --> 00:50:28,794
Um, especially,

936
00:50:28,949 --> 00:50:30,489
Make sure it's the right color.

937
00:50:31,094 --> 00:50:33,644
yes, all that stuff that
you do on a pre flight.

938
00:50:34,144 --> 00:50:35,014
Make sure you do

939
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:35,449
Yep.

940
00:50:35,694 --> 00:50:36,324
you fuel.

941
00:50:37,244 --> 00:50:41,724
In the event that you're done flying
for the day, and it's gonna be, you

942
00:50:41,724 --> 00:50:46,069
know, you're parking the plane for the
night, make if it is really cold when

943
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:52,539
you're filling the plane, top it off
every last little bit because morning

944
00:50:52,539 --> 00:50:57,419
the sun comes out it starts to warm up
and that fuel is going to expand and

945
00:50:57,419 --> 00:51:02,079
it's going to start draining out all
over the ramp and wasting your money.

946
00:51:02,189 --> 00:51:06,579
So, um, leave a little room in there if
it's really cold when you're fueling.

947
00:51:07,704 --> 00:51:11,764
As far as how to find fuel, how do you,
how do you decide where you want to fuel,

948
00:51:11,764 --> 00:51:12,264
Bill?

949
00:51:13,279 --> 00:51:15,799
You know, I use, I use ForeFlight.

950
00:51:16,164 --> 00:51:21,424
one of the layers on the map
is allows you to turn on fuel.

951
00:51:21,434 --> 00:51:24,184
I know they get their data
from other places and they

952
00:51:24,214 --> 00:51:27,584
also allow pilots to update.

953
00:51:28,054 --> 00:51:30,184
those fuel amounts right in ForeFlight.

954
00:51:30,674 --> 00:51:34,224
and there are other places I could
look for it, but lately I don't,

955
00:51:34,624 --> 00:51:36,214
I don't really do that anymore.

956
00:51:36,244 --> 00:51:38,204
I just look at ForeFlight.

957
00:51:38,554 --> 00:51:40,784
They, ForeFlight even color codes them.

958
00:51:41,724 --> 00:51:45,754
So, you know, if it's green,
uh, it means it's one of the,

959
00:51:45,969 --> 00:51:47,519
cheaper fuels in the area.

960
00:51:47,529 --> 00:51:49,889
If it's yellow, it's
kind of a mid price fuel.

961
00:51:49,889 --> 00:51:52,779
And if it's red, it's one of the
most expensive airports to get fuel.

962
00:51:53,279 --> 00:51:58,049
you could be flying along and
just, check along your route and

963
00:51:58,049 --> 00:51:59,549
just look for the cheapest ones.

964
00:51:59,846 --> 00:52:01,016
So that that's what I do.

965
00:52:01,016 --> 00:52:02,701
Yeah.

966
00:52:02,701 --> 00:52:07,756
Yeah, that's true.

967
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:09,190
check airnav.

968
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:14,280
com Because there's enough people still
flying out there that don't use ForeFlight

969
00:52:15,885 --> 00:52:18,985
and usually complain on the internet
about people who do use ForeFlight.

970
00:52:20,725 --> 00:52:24,495
And so they're generally still using
AirNav, which would, I mean, AirNav

971
00:52:24,495 --> 00:52:25,855
has been around for a long time.

972
00:52:25,855 --> 00:52:29,265
I mean, I've been flying for
more than 20 years and it was

973
00:52:29,265 --> 00:52:30,485
there right in the beginning.

974
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:36,150
Um, probably the, I would guess the
first site that had fuel prices, but

975
00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:42,060
the thing that I use there is what
they call great deals reports and that

976
00:52:42,060 --> 00:52:47,530
will, it shows you what the criteria
are for getting on that report, but I

977
00:52:47,530 --> 00:52:51,010
think you have to be like the lowest
within 50 miles or something like that.

978
00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:53,950
And then they have the, they
have some that are highlighted as

979
00:52:53,950 --> 00:52:58,100
super deals that have to be like
the cheapest within 150 miles.

980
00:52:58,100 --> 00:52:58,520
And so.

981
00:52:58,910 --> 00:53:02,620
There are times where I'll find something
on there that hasn't been updated in

982
00:53:02,620 --> 00:53:04,530
ForeFlight, but that's pretty rare.

983
00:53:04,930 --> 00:53:08,040
It's just kind of another,
another method of looking.

984
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:14,800
A little farther and a little wider for
cheap fuel because, one drawback to using

985
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,810
ForeFlight is if you zoom out too far,
you won't be able to see all the prices.

986
00:53:21,150 --> 00:53:25,670
And so you might be hiding a good price,
and so I do, you know, when I'm using

987
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:31,470
ForeFlight, I keep it fairly zoomed
in, uh, and if you're going on a 1,

988
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:38,185
000, 1, 500 mile trip, can go 100 or
200 miles off course in the middle of

989
00:53:38,185 --> 00:53:41,735
that trip, and you're only affecting
your total trip distance by like 10

990
00:53:41,735 --> 00:53:42,245
miles.

991
00:53:43,025 --> 00:53:43,505
so

992
00:53:43,635 --> 00:53:47,325
some of those really long trips are
where those those air nav great deals

993
00:53:47,325 --> 00:53:53,335
reports can you find something that
not be right on your path, but might be

994
00:53:53,335 --> 00:53:54,700
worth stopping at anyway.

995
00:53:54,926 --> 00:53:59,436
Those are awesome tips Kent
for refueling the airplane.

996
00:53:59,446 --> 00:54:02,376
And I think, you know, like we said at
the beginning, I think there's a lot of

997
00:54:02,386 --> 00:54:06,336
people that have just never had experience
doing that, so really appreciate you kind

998
00:54:06,336 --> 00:54:08,446
of walking through all those details.

999
00:54:08,916 --> 00:54:14,136
And, uh, um, I hope it helps somebody out
there when they get beyond the check ride.

1000
00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:15,900
For sure.

1001
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,780
And you know, if nothing else, I
think the best thing to do is to

1002
00:54:19,780 --> 00:54:21,350
go and do this before you have to.

1003
00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:25,230
Don't wait until you're on the
way home from vacation Sunday

1004
00:54:25,230 --> 00:54:28,370
night and have to figure out a new
thing because that's where that

1005
00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:29,990
get thereitis is going to set in.

1006
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,860
Now that you've heard this, go out and
try it for yourself and you'll find out

1007
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:36,810
it really is not that big of a deal.

1008
00:54:37,090 --> 00:54:38,170
It's an easy thing to do.

1009
00:54:38,170 --> 00:54:39,630
It can save you a ton of money.

1010
00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:40,110
So

1011
00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:42,120
go out there,

1012
00:54:42,276 --> 00:54:43,136
That's a great point.

1013
00:54:44,010 --> 00:54:45,650
fly safe and have fun.

1014
00:54:46,151 --> 00:54:46,521
Awesome.

1015
00:54:46,531 --> 00:54:47,381
Thanks again, Kent.

1016
00:54:47,441 --> 00:54:49,161
And until next time, we'll see ya.

1017
00:54:49,487 --> 00:54:49,907
See ya.

1018
00:54:56,605 --> 00:55:00,425
I hope you enjoyed the flight and
the latest Beyond the Checkride.

1019
00:55:00,815 --> 00:55:02,915
I want to thank Kent for
his help on these segments.

1020
00:55:02,925 --> 00:55:04,805
He's got a lot of GA experience.

1021
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,320
So his insights are really valuable and
I hope you're finding them valuable too.

1022
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:14,180
Again, we'd love ideas on what we
should cover in those segments.

1023
00:55:14,590 --> 00:55:17,990
We've already thought of
things that we should have put

1024
00:55:18,090 --> 00:55:20,320
in our first one last week.

1025
00:55:20,590 --> 00:55:24,480
We'll probably think of some this
week, and going into the future.

1026
00:55:24,910 --> 00:55:28,000
so we'll probably redo
topics again at some point.

1027
00:55:28,535 --> 00:55:33,585
But in the meantime, like I said,
we'd love to hear from you on what

1028
00:55:33,585 --> 00:55:36,895
you think we should do, or if you
have ideas about what we should do,

1029
00:55:36,915 --> 00:55:41,795
or if we've forgotten anything that
we should add in or, or correct.

1030
00:55:42,409 --> 00:55:46,769
So send your thoughts and feedback
to me at Bill at studentpilotcast.

1031
00:55:48,019 --> 00:55:48,479
com.

1032
00:55:49,069 --> 00:55:52,319
You can also reach out to me
on X with the handle Billwill.

1033
00:55:52,329 --> 00:55:55,819
That's Bravo, India, Lima,
Lima, Whiskey, India, Lima.

1034
00:55:56,324 --> 00:55:58,684
And as usual, we'd love to hear from you.

1035
00:55:58,684 --> 00:56:01,194
So keep the suggestions
and the comments coming.

1036
00:56:02,394 --> 00:56:04,174
Like I said, I was loving this.

1037
00:56:04,464 --> 00:56:08,014
I had a lot of hard work and study ahead
of me, which I had already started.

1038
00:56:08,484 --> 00:56:11,814
I was preparing for the
written and eventually would

1039
00:56:11,954 --> 00:56:13,424
be preparing for my check ride.

1040
00:56:13,424 --> 00:56:16,904
And of course, learning and trying
to understand what this instrument

1041
00:56:16,904 --> 00:56:18,234
flying thing was all about.

1042
00:56:18,804 --> 00:56:22,034
I had purchased and watched the
instrument course from sporties.

1043
00:56:22,689 --> 00:56:28,029
But I was also getting my feet wet
with Shepard Air, which I'll definitely

1044
00:56:28,029 --> 00:56:31,689
talk about in a future episode as
I got ready to take the written.

1045
00:56:32,269 --> 00:56:36,809
Those programs at Shepard Air
would prove invaluable as I've

1046
00:56:36,809 --> 00:56:40,979
been progressing in my certs and
ratings, so I'll cover that soon.

1047
00:56:41,689 --> 00:56:46,884
For now, I was flying and I was
trying to get sharper with my skills.

1048
00:56:47,234 --> 00:56:49,904
It's a lot, but I knew it'd be worth it.

1049
00:56:50,904 --> 00:56:56,854
It seemed far away, but looking back,
it would be just a blink of an eye and

1050
00:56:56,854 --> 00:56:58,854
I'd be sitting in front of the DPE.