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This week on Left of the Projector, we are not going to judge you too harshly

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if you haven't seen the film in question.

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We will be discussing the 2012 film Dread, directed by Pete Travis,

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written by Alex Garland.

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It stars Kyle Urban, Olivia Thirlby, Wood Harris, and Lena Headey.

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Of course, there was a 1995 Sylvester Stallone movie, Judge Dread.

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So this is not a remake, per se. I would call this a reimagining of the original comic book from 2000.

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We will get into Dread with our guest this week, Mike from MDX Podcast. Welcome to the show.

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Hey, good to be here. And I'm going

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to be kind of a jerk and say you got something wrong right at the top.

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Did I?

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The director, this movie is famously ghost directed by Alex Garland.

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The director got booted during the post-production and they actually made this

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movie for the first time.

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They're going, what if we shot this like a TV show where the writer has just

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as much say, if not the director?

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so carl urban and alex garland both confirmed that basically alex garland directed it.

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Wow that is uh that that would mean it's his first directed movie then for for alex.

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Garland so he's not credited as the director so technically

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it is still um what was it annihilation no

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no uh ex machina yeah so yeah but

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anyway yeah i'm mike happy to be here and uh yeah i run a

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little used to run a podcast network called mdx pods we had two podcasts remake

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rewind and ruin my childhood but ruin my childhood the kind of nostalgia pod

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i do with my wife is coming back this june so uh if you if you like the sound

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of my voice you'll like the sound of my wife's voice better and hopefully you

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will your fans will listen in in june awesome.

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Well thanks for being here today and uh of.

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Course in.

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Some like well,

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usually i send not usually in this case i did i did send you like a list of

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films and you picked a few off of it including this one i know i know we sort

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of narrowed it down partly for you but what was your reason for choosing dread

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like as your as one of your options.

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So i i'm a big fan of this movie uh carl

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urban's one of my favorite actors like i i'm one of the weird people who

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knew him from uh the xena and hercules days like my

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dad was obsessed with that so like i knew urban before even

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lord of the rings um and this this movie itself also

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has kind of a place in my heart when i uh moved from i went to college at uc

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davis and i had a close group of friends where we'd go to midnight movies every

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thursday when midnight movies were still at midnight and this was one of the

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first movies that came out after i moved away i moved about an hour north or

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it doesn't matter They're an hour away from that group of friends.

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So I drove an hour, watched this movie at midnight with a group of friends,

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and then drove an hour home just because it was like this close group of friends

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and we all really wanted to see it.

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So that was a big part of it. And then it's just, it's very timely with what's

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going on in not just America, but, you know, the world today.

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When you look at like the first shot of this movie is like a drone over Mega

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City One. And it's like, that's so crazy.

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topical right now.

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Yeah it's funny i had not seen this movie until now well not like when i watched

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it two days ago it was the first time i'd ever seen it and uh i know that bill

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and ward you both had seen it like you like you both were saying like this is

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a you like this movie yeah.

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I've seen it a bunch of times.

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Yeah this is this is probably like my i don't know like fourth or fifth time

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watching it i probably maybe might be more it's.

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A rookie number.

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She got to pump that up.

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Listen.

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I, you know, I can't, I, there's only so much you can fit in every year.

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I have to watch all of Godzilla and Lord of the Rings and Planet of the Apes every year too.

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And Alien and thing. All of Godzilla. Wow.

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I meant monster. I meant legendary and 1954. Not all. I can't watch 35 films every year.

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Not with that attitude.

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That's like, that's a commitment, man.

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I mean, I sprinkle other Godzilla in, you know, throughout.

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Now that you say that it was not just written by Alex Garland,

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but he also then basically was the director, you know, uncredited,

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I don't know, like, I have my...

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qualms with Alex Garland's output. Not necessarily like the quality of the movies,

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but I have some questionable things to say about some of them.

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So I probably are going to agree with you. I don't know what you're going to

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say, but he was one of my favorite writers and directors for a long time.

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And that kind of shifted a couple of years ago.

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Yeah. Did it shift when he, when the movie Civil War came out?

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That's exactly when it happened.

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Yeah. And then, yeah. So, I mean, for people out there

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people probably know him from ex machina ex makina and

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annihilation i think he had one in there too um men men

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civil war and then warfare also did not see that because i no longer was really

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interested in seeing what he did but i just question his politics and i think

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um it'll be interesting to see how they came out in this movie maybe over time

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it got worse for him i don't know i.

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Feel like you haven't so much in the past questioned his politics so much as

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questioned his spine or backbone or.

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Willingness to.

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Actually have a stance.

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Yes ding ding that's it i mean i mean well when you say it that way then i almost

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think that dread he maybe did put you know through some of that politics in

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like a less lame way that's not a very articulate way to say but it's a little

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bit more like fleshed out you.

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Do have to keep in mind he's he's english.

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Yeah and.

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That that has so like the reason civil war was

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um well no specifically the civil war movie was supposed

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to it was supposed to be um because

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europeans don't want to watch media about

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their granted uk is not technically european anymore

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but they don't like to watch movies and tv shows about their politics they prefer

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to do american politics and so the whole point of that movie was supposed to

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be this could happen in any modern western culture but he knew that nobody outside

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of the US would watch it unless it was about a US civil war and that

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was part of the reason why at least he said he did that and had no real motive

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as to like what caused the civil war and how texas and california paired up

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in that is just kind of like yeah that's how it worked.

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Yeah that is true i mean as we talk.

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About the movie.

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Itself i feel like the uh his it's a little bit more less kind of muddled or

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it's like less cowardly in this but you know i I mean, for, for,

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I mean, well, Ward, did you have any, um,

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for like, I didn't let you to say what you thought about this and like.

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I mean, I'm not like all well-versed on the,

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Garland stuff like y'all nerds are, but, um, in the context of this film,

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like it's a good action movie, but the miserable Marxist in me is all the social

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commentary is way too subtle.

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Oh, interesting.

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Like social commentary is way too subtle there's definitely things that could

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be changed to be improved from a marxist standpoint and so that's what i'm gonna

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knock it for like solid action movie great cinematography pretty good character

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writing it's a fucking good movie yeah.

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I'm pretty much like i mean pretty much this like warden i have the same it's

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like it's like we're like on the same like level on the same page um and also like,

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honestly other than annihilation i don't think i've watched i mean and 28 years

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later 20 years later like um for his writing you know but like other than i

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think annihilation is the only what about sunshine no i've never seen it oh.

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It's pretty solid it's danny boyle.

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I watched clips of civil war for gunplay but that's about it.

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Yeah other than annihilation which i love like i knowledge is a phenomenal movie

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i don't think i've ever i don't think i've seen any of his other movies that

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he actually, you know, that he on record directed.

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Um, I think, I mean, I think Carl Urban for me, oddly enough,

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this is actually the movie that I always associate Carl Urban with not Lord

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of the Rings, despite being a huge Lord of the Rings, like being a huge Lord of the Rings fan.

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I still, for some reason, I always think of this movie for Carl Urban.

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I think this movie He kind of stands out as defining Carl Urban as his roles more than hard agree.

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It's it's when you compare and I actually really like the 95 dread judge dread with Stallone.

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It is very dread in a different way.

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Like these both are very comic accurate in drastically different ways.

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But the difference between like a Stallone and a urban is the lack of ego.

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Like, oh, yeah, urban leans into like you don't see his face.

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Like I watched this with my wife last night and it's been probably,

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she hasn't seen it since it came out, you know, and she forgot it was him.

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She's like, who's the guy?

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And I'm like, I was like flummoxed. I was like, what do you mean?

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Who's the guy? It's Carl Urban.

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This is like his defining role. But yeah, there's just no ego, ego.

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There's no ego there where he's just like willing to, you know,

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it's all the micro expressions like Robert Pattinson's Batman.

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Like it's all in those little micro expressions.

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It's rad. The only thing comic accurate about the 1995 film,

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in my opinion, is basically the, like,

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aesthetic, like, the very, like, the more flamboyant aspects of the aesthetic

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of the Dread comics, in terms of, like...

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commentary philosophy like and thought process and like actual representation

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not just the aesthetic but the tone and intentionality this movie is way more

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accurate oh yeah a thousand percent more it's.

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The robot it's it's the robots the gangs the actually going out into the wasteland

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um the weird clones and stuff like that part is very comic accurate but no you're

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totally right on the social commentary because dread is from 82.

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000 it's.

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Very like this is a fascist world and it's it.

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Sucks do.

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We swear on this.

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Podcast like censored.

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For a second i.

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Wasn't sure i.

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Went i almost went it fucking sucks and i'm like i stopped at.

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That i wasn't sure we actually yeah you're good we have a friend who once commented

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um a friend of ours who does a podcast he has his own podcast um and he commented

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in another group chat that i'm in with him that he listens to the show for many

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reasons and one of them is to see inventive new ways in which i use the word fuck.

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Hell.

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Yeah i mean fuck yeah.

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This is something since speaking

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of carl urban i don't know if anyone else noticed this

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and i it's been a while since i've seen the original one but

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you mentioned sort of like you don't really see his face that much you kind

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of just see sort of the facial expressions there were moments in it where i

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felt like he was doing a stallone impression like the way his mouth moved but

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not in any other way and maybe it just i don't know why i viewed it that way

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but he like kept it kept feeling like it was stallone but he was not stallone.

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I think i don't know that it's just inherent to the character like if you're

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gonna have a mask on if you're gonna have if you're gonna have a helmet on that

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covers your entire face is up your mouth like you're going to have to accentuate those things you're.

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Gonna have to do that grimace.

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Yeah what you're i can't do.

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It i can't get the lion's like,

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I can't do the premise, but I mean, he nails it.

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The craft that went into making it, Absolutely next level. Absolutely incredible.

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It's awesome. It's so good.

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for the movie instead of just some prop gun with CGI effects. That's sick.

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I was waiting to talk about that. I was waiting until the episode to talk to you about that, Ward.

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destructive for what it actually is but like still super 16 hey this is like 80 years.

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what is it, like, 12 layers of concrete plus for, like, that whole quadrant of the tower?

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period of the united states when most of the Earth is now an irradiated wasteland.

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what, New York to Boston or some massive- Boston to Washington.

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like um it's like a total recall where like.

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skyscrapers and i was thinking too i get the sense that the people who live

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only like there's i don't remember the number i didn't write it down but it

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was something like 21 000 crimes an hour or a day something ridiculous.

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Like 10 000 crimes a day 15 000 crimes per day.

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And 6% responding rate to the said crimes. Yeah.

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and eat people. It's like Soylent Green is how they survive.

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what are they, perps to the isocubes, victims to the recykes.

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you can pad that number, that 6%. Like, when they're going into Peachtree,

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there's the unhoused dude, and they go, you know, get out of here,

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man. And they're like, you know, if you're here, it's three weeks in the isocubes or whatever.

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they're stopping other people and doing little sentencing while they're going

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after whatever they're really going after.

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it is like what they deem a crime is to like what it's basically anything like what we,

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what in our society, you know, they would call like a misdemeanor and it wouldn't even count as a crime.

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It wouldn't even show up and like they count as like a full on like sentenceable crime.

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We're just here to determine the level of your guilt.

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Because that one that really hit me this week. I was telling you guys just before,

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you know, we started recording, like I got laid off this week.

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liked. I've already took a bunch of meetings. I'm good. But the opening scene really hit me hard.

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And I remember it hitting me hard the first time I saw it. But this time was especially egregious.

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you know, going through the freeways and stuff like that.

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And, you know, the guys in the band, the bad guys like hit some random person.

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He's like, oh, the innocent, you know, now we really got to take him down.

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Just leave the innocent guy, you know, alone, just drive off.

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He doesn't matter. He's collateral.

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inside the van, potentially could have killed dozens of people where,

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you know, it just happened to hit us, you know, a cinder block kind of stop and it didn't go.

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food court, shoots a couple people.

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you know, Roomba kind of thing go out.

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out and starts like mopping it up and you hear an announcement overhead.

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capitalism will start again in 30 minutes.

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And like that hit me so hard because I got laid off on Monday.

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And like an hour later, they like somebody calls me and they're like,

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you need to do your expense report by the end of today or you're responsible for all this.

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I'm like, you just fired me 20 minutes ago and you're telling me I got to do this expense report.

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Fuck off. Like that just really hit me this time is just the immediate need

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to go back to capitalism or that Amazon worker died in Southern California in

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the warehouse. And they're just like, no, you guys need to keep working. Go, go, go. Like

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It's so relevant to what's happening in today's society. It's crazy.

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And he says, maybe Lisa's right about America being the land of opportunity.

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the blood of the workers.

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Like literally the fucking blood of the work of the, they're just on the ground.

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It's like, we'll just wipe it up and continue with our day. It's a hilarious Homer quote.

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It is one of the best.

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Very early.

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I think it's like in the second season. Anyway, that's not related to this.

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I think that like, not only like it is worth commenting that like,

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yeah, it is incredibly relevant, but to the movie's credit, I really do think

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it deserves credit for the point that like.

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And in so many movies that we just, you know, they, you know,

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we depict a dystopian future or the far future.

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And remember, like when this was even made, that was, you know,

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even further, you know, from where it's, you know, it actually takes place.

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There's always the temptation to reimagine the world, to make it look totally different.

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In so many other movies, the towers, the megatowers, they would be the primary skyline.

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But in this movie, it's a pointed depiction, and it is shown multiple times and commented on.

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this is built in recognizable urban

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centers of our like our time and

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it's like it's so easy to divorce yourself from the reality of things when it

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looks totally but in this you're forced to confront like no the real world that

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you live in right now looks like that in places they just put a giant dystopian, you know,

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you know, population tower in there. They didn't even start over.

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a point where, you know, at the beginning when they're going over the pursuit,

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you see various freeways and it's like three level tall freeways.

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There's almost no traffic. I was like, man, that actually almost looks preferable

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to like what I have to deal with in California.

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and fancy is the the the judge headquarters.

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I don't remember what it's actually called. The I think it's called the Hall

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of Judges or the Hall of Justice.

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but there's just like a VW van that the bad guys are driving in like it's.

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It's almost like Cuba, you know, having to survive 60 years with the vehicles

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that were there when the embargo started.

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Like, it's crazy how it's a mix of contemporary and future.

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I mean, it feels, I think that makes it feel so much more realistic.

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Because, like, the way I think about it is imagining our real world,

396
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our timeline now, where this, you know, the seas levels start rising,

397
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things on the coast may not be viable.

398
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you start building mega cities because you need to all be in one area where

399
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your food source is you can't grow things like in this movie there's no way

400
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Track 1:
to grow agriculture in the,

401
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main parts of the country so everyone has to congregate into these giant you

402
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Track 1:
know 15 minute structures yeah and it's like it's,

403
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it's it's it's crazy like the um you know the amount of people you said 80 000

404
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people live in this 200-story, you know, slum, it's, I mean,

405
00:25:01,070 --> 00:25:03,030
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it's not so crazy to imagine.

406
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And I actually, they don't ever really show you or anyone who's like wealthy

407
00:25:06,690 --> 00:25:10,610
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in this movie at all, anyone above sort of the people who are in these slums.

408
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But I almost imagine them living in, you know, one or two-story houses as sort

409
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of these independent things, like a little mansion, and then you have these

410
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:21,090
Track 1:
gigantic towers with all the poors.

411
00:25:21,410 --> 00:25:24,590
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Yeah, I don't remember what the rich, if they're, you know, what that like in

412
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:28,730
Track 3:
the comments. It's been a very long time since I've read any of the 82,000 stuff.

413
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My best friend was like super into it 10 years ago. And he nerded out about

414
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Track 3:
this. We talked about it a lot.

415
00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:38,650
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I used to know a lot more about it, but COVID destroyed my brain. So I only have like

416
00:25:38,980 --> 00:25:43,340
Track 3:
pockets of things that i remember from these things now but yeah it's it's a weird world.

417
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It is weird and they uh the like the thing you also learn is so i mean i'm a

418
00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:54,060
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huge uh lean ahead fan in this uh in this she plays like mama who's sort of

419
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a i guess you could say she's a i don't want to say drug lord drug dealer in

420
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:03,140
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this particular drug lord drug lord yeah okay She's.

421
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The one in charge of manufacturing, distributing it. She created it.

422
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No, she's like CEO, CTO, all of the O's.

423
00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:15,080
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She's the Peter Thiel of the drug industry.

424
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Track 2:
She's a drug kingpin. Yeah. Drug lord is not high enough.

425
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:22,300
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That's what ultimately drives the whole thing.

426
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,480
Track 4:
I was thinking kingpin as well.

427
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,380
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That's where, because the whole movie, the first half of the movie,

428
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Dredd is like, this is a really weird level of response

429
00:26:30,580 --> 00:26:33,340
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we're getting over two dead bodies you know

430
00:26:33,340 --> 00:26:37,940
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in this slum and you know they you know they keep getting hit you know uh i'm

431
00:26:37,940 --> 00:26:41,960
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gonna bring out the you know i'm sure people who listen will talk like why didn't

432
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,640
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you guys bring this up because this came out around the same time as the raid

433
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,520
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and very similar plots of going up the top now this was actually in development

434
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,420
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first so no evan was gonna say the raid don't worry,

435
00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:55,040
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i know are you really okay yeah it's okay keep going it's

436
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,680
Track 3:
fine you know so you know they're going up this tower and you

437
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Track 3:
know it's not until they get to like the 21st floor where dread's like

438
00:27:00,420 --> 00:27:03,840
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god what the fuck is going on why is this so goddamn hard

439
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,580
Track 3:
something's going on and then they go why don't they

440
00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:09,860
Track 3:
want us to go higher there's got to be a reason then he's got us like ask ask

441
00:27:09,860 --> 00:27:14,360
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this ask this dude who we have been you know taking with us along the journey

442
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because they abduct one of the goons and it's just like he figures out he's

443
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:21,100
Track 3:
like oh there's got to be fucking manufacturing here this is this is where the

444
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:24,240
Track 3:
buck stops and that that was his big thing so it's like yeah she can't just

445
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be a drug lord when like the entire operation is there yeah.

446
00:27:28,140 --> 00:27:29,700
Track 1:
That's yeah okay that's far i.

447
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:32,720
Track 3:
It's basically 21 jump street where it's a new drug and

448
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,360
Track 3:
it's mostly contained and it's starting to spread because the whole thing is

449
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:40,060
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it's going to start spreading because he was the first one to experience it

450
00:27:40,060 --> 00:27:42,900
Track 3:
with the goons from the first move from the beginning of the scene like that's

451
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:48,100
Track 3:
the first time anybody's experienced somebody on that drug so it's like 21 on

452
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:51,280
Track 3:
Jump Street of like they're trying to maintain the containment.

453
00:27:52,270 --> 00:27:55,210
Track 3:
I might be the first person to link this movie to 21 Jumpstart.

454
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You heard it here first on Left of the Projector. And the drug is called slow-mo,

455
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:06,230
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and it makes you perceive time and 1% of normal.

456
00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:09,730
Track 1:
And the scenes where they show her, and I think she's in the bathtub,

457
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:14,370
Track 1:
the cinematography for that is so fucking cool. What did you say, Ward?

458
00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:16,430
Track 4:
Oh, that was like the first scene.

459
00:28:17,230 --> 00:28:18,350
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Oh, so good.

460
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:22,210
Track 4:
I like it. I like how it sets up her character, you know? she's like in.

461
00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:23,270
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The bubble.

462
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Track 4:
Bath like a kid high as.

463
00:28:25,330 --> 00:28:26,950
Track 3:
Hell you know just.

464
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:30,890
Track 4:
Trying to escape how fucking miserable everything is even though she's the fucking boss.

465
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:35,350
Track 3:
Doesn't one percent perception sound terrible like i have i got diagnosed with

466
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:37,290
Track 3:
adhd like a month ago and i'm like,

467
00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:43,070
Track 3:
that kind of feels like what that is and it sucks like i imagine i mean like

468
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Track 3:
you know and they make a point of it like when they throw them over the the

469
00:28:45,670 --> 00:28:48,750
Track 3:
the bad guy you know what brings them to Peachtree's is they throw those two

470
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Track 3:
bodies from like the 80th floor or whatever it was.

471
00:28:51,770 --> 00:28:54,790
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And they're like, oh, yeah, they made them take the slow-mo before.

472
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:58,130
Track 3:
That probably felt like an hour fall. And I'm like, yeah, that sounds terrible.

473
00:28:58,310 --> 00:29:00,750
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Like with the beginning scene when they're like on the freeway running away

474
00:29:00,750 --> 00:29:04,550
Track 3:
from dread and they're high as fuck on this slow-mo and except for the driver,

475
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:06,750
Track 3:
like how fucking terrifying would that be?

476
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:12,150
Track 3:
Like a five minute chase where you're getting chased by Carl fucking Urban and

477
00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:13,910
Track 3:
you're perceiving it at one percent.

478
00:29:14,030 --> 00:29:16,930
Track 3:
Like that's like the pursuit chase that never ends. And it was like two minutes.

479
00:29:16,930 --> 00:29:22,750
Track 2:
There are times when being on a drug that has time dilation effects is actually pretty great.

480
00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:26,750
Track 1:
Yeah, yes, I could see that.

481
00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:29,570
Track 4:
We talked about this in our group chat.

482
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:34,070
Track 2:
Yeah, we've already had a division of opinions on this.

483
00:29:34,150 --> 00:29:38,590
Track 4:
This sounds terrible. Meanwhile, me and Bill, two peas in a pod over here.

484
00:29:39,290 --> 00:29:42,010
Track 4:
Actually, there could be moments.

485
00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:50,330
Track 3:
To be fair, in this world, in Dread 2012 world, perceiving that world would suck.

486
00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:55,130
Track 3:
Throw on Dark Side of the Moon and experience that. you know throw on the wizard

487
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:58,470
Track 3:
of oz sure great what a great time but you know,

488
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:02,630
Track 3:
well the.

489
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:04,150
Track 1:
And like the like.

490
00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:07,210
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Amber is the color of your energy now.

491
00:30:07,210 --> 00:30:10,190
Track 4:
It's one percent speed the uh.

492
00:30:12,730 --> 00:30:16,610
Track 1:
And like, I was thinking about to just the, you know, there's clearly like one

493
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:18,850
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of many, many drugs that are in the society.

494
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:24,670
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And with 15,000 crimes a day, I mean, maybe even just being high could be like

495
00:30:24,670 --> 00:30:27,090
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an, you know, an offense.

496
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:28,470
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Eight weeks in the ice of you.

497
00:30:28,550 --> 00:30:31,650
Track 1:
Definitely an offense. Like just not even holding.

498
00:30:33,050 --> 00:30:35,470
Track 2:
Just being high is definitely a crime.

499
00:30:35,770 --> 00:30:40,570
Track 1:
Like what mama is doing is like terrible, but living in this society,

500
00:30:40,570 --> 00:30:42,210
Track 1:
I feel like you kind of need drugs.

501
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:48,550
Track 3:
Well, you know, you've said it earlier, you know, anything could be a crime,

502
00:30:48,730 --> 00:30:52,010
Track 3:
you know, there, you know, I've probably watched this movie 10 to 15 times.

503
00:30:52,150 --> 00:30:56,630
Track 3:
You know, I love this movie. I travel for work a lot. So I watch a lot of movies on planes and stuff.

504
00:30:56,730 --> 00:31:00,930
Track 3:
So I've watched it a lot. But one of the things I noticed this time around is

505
00:31:00,930 --> 00:31:05,490
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now granted, most everybody he shot was legitimately a bad guy.

506
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:07,990
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And I'm, you know, none of the listeners can see me doing air quotes.

507
00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:11,690
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But there are times like he comes out of the elevator at one point,

508
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:14,990
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and he just comes out, blam bust like there's no way he could have even perceived

509
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:19,310
Track 3:
that that guy like that guy had a gun now granted he had a gun but there's no

510
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:23,690
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way he could have known and like the you know the scene where he gets um i don't

511
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:27,610
Track 3:
know the character's name but the like the black guy who ultimately helps them

512
00:31:27,610 --> 00:31:30,550
Track 3:
unravel like everything you know and they have like the little.

513
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,580
Track 2:
Caleb, I don't know.

514
00:31:32,660 --> 00:31:35,880
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He's like the number three guy in the organization. He's the one that he's like

515
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,380
Track 3:
hauling him around. They're hauling him around.

516
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:44,320
Track 2:
He isn't even. No, he is literally just like he's basically a district manager.

517
00:31:44,540 --> 00:31:46,680
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But still, he's got manager in his title.

518
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,880
Track 1:
He's a piece of the PMC.

519
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,700
Track 3:
Yeah, they're hauling that guy around like the whole most of the journey.

520
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,960
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But like when they get him, they like they bust into this room.

521
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,240
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they know like okay the operation must be on floor 21 because that's

522
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,140
Track 3:
where these two guys started you know the guys that we find at the

523
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:07,280
Track 3:
beginning of the movie and they like bust in and

524
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,240
Track 3:
just immediately it's like slow motion like the whole scene is

525
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,140
Track 3:
slow motion you see so many bullets going through cheeks and necks and

526
00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:16,080
Track 3:
it's fucking rad uh but like they just go

527
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,720
Track 3:
in blow the doors off the hinges and light everybody up

528
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,860
Track 3:
and it's like some people were legitimately just sitting there stoned that's

529
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:28,000
Track 3:
a crime and get fucking lit up and then at that point i mean it's a crime but

530
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,220
Track 3:
at that point like some of them like these guys didn't even fucking know they

531
00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:35,560
Track 3:
just see a guy come and start shooting like you know i'm gonna go to ward like

532
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,140
Track 3:
if cops just came in shooting in your house you're probably,

533
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,480
Track 3:
going like what the fuck and you're pulling a gun you know just based off the

534
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:47,080
Track 3:
33 minutes that i've known you uh it's just it's that's my point though it's

535
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,540
Track 3:
just like they go guns blazing and they don't even you know like that could

536
00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:53,120
Track 3:
one of those guys could have just walked in like there's a lot of gunfire.

537
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,300
Track 3:
Can I hide here for a minute?

538
00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:57,380
Track 3:
And then you just get blown away by a judge, which is.

539
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:08,060
Track 2:
To the credit of the movie, it is never shown that Dredd would have cared or

540
00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:10,920
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wouldn't have found something to say.

541
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,360
Track 2:
It wouldn't matter at all. And that's really-

542
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,660
Track 3:
Are you saying he'd plant evidence?

543
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,400
Track 2:
He wouldn't need to. It's just like what Ward said, that quote.

544
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:21,460
Track 2:
What was that quote again, Ward?

545
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,520
Track 4:
Oh, that nobody's innocent citizen.

546
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:24,920
Track 2:
Yeah.

547
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:30,740
Track 4:
Yeah. we're just here to determine the level of your guilt yeah everyone in

548
00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:34,780
Track 4:
that room is guilty yeah like.

549
00:33:34,780 --> 00:33:40,660
Track 1:
There's a point later when they come across I think it's that guy what is it

550
00:33:40,660 --> 00:33:47,020
Track 1:
K played by Wood Harris yeah so or I think it was her him when you know when,

551
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:55,480
Track 1:
when Cassandra or Olivia Thelby says that she's 99% sure that he like he was

552
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,020
Track 1:
guilty he's like that's not good enough like we need to be 100 it's.

553
00:33:59,020 --> 00:34:00,580
Track 3:
Not good enough to execute him.

554
00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:05,940
Track 1:
Yeah okay fair enough but but the cube sure you can go to the cube for eight

555
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:10,460
Track 1:
years but yeah for sure okay yeah that that is a good qualifier but i guess

556
00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:16,340
Track 1:
the idea is that he like her being her being psychic and being able to be pretty

557
00:34:16,340 --> 00:34:20,400
Track 1:
sure isn't enough for him to just execute you but if he sees you there.

558
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:28,800
Track 2:
Is a difference between there is there this really is like essentially the way

559
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,700
Track 2:
american police at this point behave which is like,

560
00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:40,960
Track 2:
entirely the the whole premise of this when this was written what you know when

561
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,820
Track 2:
it was originally And by that, I mean, the comic, um, was written during,

562
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,600
Track 2:
you know, during the time and in Britain, uh,

563
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,240
Track 2:
in which society is wildly different in terms of these things,

564
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,500
Track 2:
especially at that time, um,

565
00:34:55,510 --> 00:35:01,850
Track 2:
It is so, the entire, this is the way United States police officers are trained

566
00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:07,250
Track 2:
and made to think that they are separate from civilians, they are set apart,

567
00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:10,670
Track 2:
and that they are judge, jury, and executioner.

568
00:35:10,830 --> 00:35:13,470
Track 2:
That they have the right to make those decisions.

569
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:17,410
Track 2:
That the Americans are collateral, basically.

570
00:35:17,710 --> 00:35:22,010
Track 3:
Well, to your point, I don't remember the officer's name, but the man who killed

571
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:25,810
Track 3:
Renee Good went back to work today. You know, I don't know when this episode

572
00:35:25,810 --> 00:35:31,330
Track 3:
is going to air, but April 29th, 2026, the guy who killed Rene Good went back to work.

573
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:34,810
Track 3:
And, you know, during that, I remember like something I say all the time whenever

574
00:35:34,810 --> 00:35:38,330
Track 3:
there's a major police shooting, whether it was I must have said this a thousand

575
00:35:38,330 --> 00:35:43,770
Track 3:
times online when George Floyd was killed in same place, Minnesota in 2020.

576
00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:46,650
Track 3:
you know everyone's oh you resisted arrest or he did this

577
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:49,510
Track 3:
or you know he was a criminal you know whatever their excuse was i would always

578
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:52,770
Track 3:
say like if you go on my timeline and type dread you

579
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:56,550
Track 3:
will probably find dozens of comments going yeah i don't know if you guys know

580
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:59,490
Track 3:
this but cops aren't supposed to kill guilty people either this isn't judge

581
00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:03,430
Track 3:
dread i've probably said that a thousand times on social media and it's it's

582
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:09,570
Track 3:
again so relevant because qualified immunity is exactly what all of these judges basically have yeah.

583
00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:13,370
Track 1:
I mean i think it's maybe it's more apparent in the comic and i think it's also

584
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:16,990
Track 1:
more apparent even in the first the original stallone movie is that part of

585
00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:20,850
Track 1:
the reason for doing this is it simply just it's cheaper and more cost effective

586
00:36:20,850 --> 00:36:25,390
Track 1:
to just have like one guy doing the whole being the judge and everything like like oh yeah we.

587
00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:25,950
Track 3:
Can just save some.

588
00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:27,430
Track 1:
Money if one guy just is everything.

589
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:32,590
Track 3:
800 million people and from boston to to dc so yeah you don't have time for

590
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:33,990
Track 3:
all those courts cases yeah.

591
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:41,890
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How much are you gonna save on costuming alone like well you're gonna have like

592
00:36:41,890 --> 00:36:45,750
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hundreds of judges that's a lot in costuming all right.

593
00:36:46,290 --> 00:36:50,190
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And you know in the we can have a few and in the original comic they all wear

594
00:36:50,190 --> 00:36:55,510
Track 2:
solid gold shoulder epilates that's a lot of gold and.

595
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:56,070
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They have it on.

596
00:36:56,070 --> 00:36:57,390
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The bikes and they have it on.

597
00:36:57,390 --> 00:36:59,190
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The guns and they have it on the vehicles.

598
00:36:59,190 --> 00:37:06,030
Track 1:
Wait adds up quick is it and actually i'm gonna i'm gonna bring it back so i

599
00:37:06,030 --> 00:37:09,630
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i didn't like in the screenshot of i'm a huge back the future fan too i assume

600
00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:14,670
Track 1:
you are too as well mike yeah you got a tattoo on your okay so the it reminds

601
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:16,410
Track 1:
me in back the future part too,

602
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:19,710
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when they go into the future and they,

603
00:37:20,090 --> 00:37:25,550
Track 1:
you know, the Biff goes or Biff's, uh, you know, junior goes through the clock tower and is arrested.

604
00:37:25,850 --> 00:37:28,390
Track 1:
They say like, Oh, how was he already arraigned and like arrested?

605
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:31,210
Track 1:
And like, they banned all lawyers in the future.

606
00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:35,070
Track 1:
And so it's like, there's no lawyers in this. They've banned,

607
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:37,690
Track 1:
they essentially banned lawyers. Like, yeah, that's, yeah.

608
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:41,790
Track 3:
He gets sentenced to prison and he's going to go to prison literally the next day. Right.

609
00:37:42,070 --> 00:37:44,350
Track 1:
Exactly. I mean, the only difference in this is it's, you know,

610
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:47,970
Track 1:
a cube, which I don't know what that means but maybe they freeze you i don't even know.

611
00:37:47,970 --> 00:37:53,750
Track 4:
I wonder if lawyer is even like a job yeah not in this like it can't be it's

612
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:55,610
Track 4:
gotta be or unless it's like corporate law,

613
00:37:56,910 --> 00:38:02,630
Track 4:
maybe even then like anything like lawyer like that's that's probably only for

614
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:08,130
Track 4:
like the rich people who have free time and it's taken like a uh like uh self-defense

615
00:38:08,130 --> 00:38:12,230
Track 4:
classes are taken now or it's like oh i gotta protect myself and it's like oh

616
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:14,950
Track 4:
i gotta protect myself from judges so i gotta become a lawyer.

617
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:18,770
Track 3:
Unless they have lawyers specifically to be like, how do we make sure that this

618
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:22,510
Track 3:
isn't even remotely something that a judge can get me on? I don't know.

619
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:26,550
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But again, it would be like the ultra wealthy Peter Thiel types that would be

620
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:29,750
Track 3:
able to like, okay, how do we make this to the letter of the law?

621
00:38:30,340 --> 00:38:38,640
Track 1:
According to the Judge Dredd Wiki, it says that they learn to become judges at the Academy of Law.

622
00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:42,480
Track 1:
So presumably there's no law schools. It's just this Academy of Law.

623
00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:44,600
Track 1:
I guess they don't need a different judge.

624
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,480
Track 1:
I mean, I would imagine if you're really rich in this timeline,

625
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,380
Track 1:
you don't really have to worry about being arrested or anything like that.

626
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,900
Track 3:
Probably not. You're not moving anywhere. You're just in your suite.

627
00:38:54,020 --> 00:38:57,020
Track 4:
And it's fascism anyways. What's the fucking need for lawyers?

628
00:38:57,020 --> 00:39:01,660
Track 2:
Like i the idea the

629
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:07,680
Track 2:
the way you described people taking law rich people taking law the way people

630
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:17,040
Track 2:
take self-defense that is such an incredibly like cutting commentary on the

631
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,680
Track 2:
lifestyle of those people.

632
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,160
Track 2:
And the, it makes me think of Robert E.

633
00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:27,320
Track 2:
Howard's, um, quote. Um, if you're not familiar, Robert E.

634
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:30,540
Track 2:
Howard wrote Conan, the Conan the Barnabian.

635
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,980
Track 2:
Um, and one of the things that he said at one point is that basically,

636
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Track 2:
you know, um, the civilized man acts the way he does because he has,

637
00:39:43,170 --> 00:39:47,470
Track 2:
Because he has no fear of, like, violence. Civilized men are more discourteous

638
00:39:47,470 --> 00:39:52,790
Track 2:
than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls

639
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:54,490
Track 2:
split as a general thing.

640
00:39:54,890 --> 00:40:02,450
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And it's, like, the entire, like, the way they have, like, isolated themselves

641
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:05,590
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from any notion of physicality.

642
00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:08,590
Track 2:
Like, because it's everything. thing it's even like you know

643
00:40:08,590 --> 00:40:12,730
Track 2:
because the only reason they take self-defense courses is because they're afraid

644
00:40:12,730 --> 00:40:18,210
Track 2:
of the pores you know and it's like all they've done is like totally like they

645
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:22,930
Track 2:
isolate themselves completely and they do nothing physical you know unless it

646
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:27,210
Track 2:
is to tune their body so they can look good uh but you know that's.

647
00:40:27,210 --> 00:40:27,790
Track 3:
Ultimately what it.

648
00:40:27,790 --> 00:40:30,730
Track 2:
Is it's the male gaze it's well i'm talking it doesn't matter

649
00:40:30,730 --> 00:40:33,390
Track 2:
it's all the whole thing um it doesn't matter man you know

650
00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:36,690
Track 2:
whatever all these capitalist bourgeois you know they'll

651
00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:40,650
Track 2:
do a goddamn thing and you know so that in the end it's just like oh well i

652
00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:45,170
Track 2:
just take because that's the way civilized people do things we we just contract

653
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:49,870
Track 2:
law it's you know they've nothing to be they have nothing to fear but someone

654
00:40:49,870 --> 00:40:54,090
Track 2:
coming after them through a legal system to impose upon their lives that's.

655
00:40:54,090 --> 00:40:55,250
Track 3:
It until we get more.

656
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:58,250
Track 2:
Luigi's allegedly allegedly allegedly.

657
00:40:58,250 --> 00:41:01,950
Track 3:
I mean like if you notice they've stopped talking about all the warehouse fires,

658
00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:07,150
Track 3:
but you know, it's dozens at this point, you know, that's, that's pretty, pretty crazy.

659
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:11,230
Track 3:
And you had, um, Sam Altman's house got attacked a couple of times and all of

660
00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:14,510
Track 3:
a sudden he's like, you know what guys, maybe UBI is not a bad idea.

661
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:18,710
Track 3:
And you know what? Universal healthcare is probably, yeah, let's do it guys.

662
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:21,710
Track 3:
And you know, you know, it's, it's crazy. And then Musk, you know,

663
00:41:21,830 --> 00:41:23,350
Track 3:
for a while keeping his, uh,

664
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,640
Track 3:
kid with him i i was calling him amber sand bullet sponge during that era because

665
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,940
Track 3:
because he had like the weird symbol names but but i digress this.

666
00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:36,880
Track 1:
Is more of this is just like a uh like a continuity like

667
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,720
Track 1:
nitpick i had how come so early on when they've gone

668
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:46,580
Track 1:
to the to the peach trees and they have that hostage the uh the guy um k and

669
00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:50,020
Track 1:
it's like walking around with him they don't like they don't put a gag in his

670
00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:53,660
Track 1:
mouth or anything and they're trying to find them how come is he didn't decide

671
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:57,480
Track 1:
to you know like try and signal them to his location by yelling because.

672
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,340
Track 2:
They would have shot him.

673
00:41:58,340 --> 00:42:01,820
Track 3:
Well they knew where they were the whole time no they knew um

674
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:04,680
Track 3:
well because throughout the movie there's a couple times where

675
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,420
Track 3:
dread shoots the cameras yeah like they knew where dread was the entire film

676
00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:11,680
Track 3:
because mama talks to him a couple different times throughout the movie whether

677
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,260
Track 3:
it's on the intercoms or through radios or whatever so it's because they have

678
00:42:15,260 --> 00:42:19,360
Track 3:
total control of the you know that's one of the things i think is funny like

679
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,040
Track 3:
i never really they never really bother me. It's not that it bothers me.

680
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:24,840
Track 3:
It's just, you know, another example of a fascist world.

681
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:31,200
Track 3:
Like we, we notice even in today's fascism in the U.S., there's a lot of incompetence in fascism.

682
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:34,140
Track 3:
You know, it's all the projection of strength. You saw that in,

683
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,000
Track 3:
in, uh, and or as well, where it's just like, oh, they're so full of themselves.

684
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,300
Track 3:
They think that nothing could possibly happen.

685
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,620
Track 3:
And like the whole, the only reason mama's able to do any of the stuff she's

686
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:46,480
Track 3:
doing in this is, uh, you know, this is kind of the beginning of Donald.

687
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,860
Track 3:
I never know how to actually say his first name, but Donald Gleason,

688
00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:53,380
Track 3:
um, like this was the start of him being in fucking everything in America for like a decade.

689
00:42:53,620 --> 00:42:55,840
Track 3:
And he's in it playing like the nerdy little hacker guy.

690
00:42:56,180 --> 00:43:01,200
Track 3:
And he just bluffs his way with like the head of the city operations going like,

691
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,420
Track 3:
oh, no, we're totally supposed to have an emergency lockdown drill.

692
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:07,900
Track 3:
And everybody's so grossly incompetent. He goes, oh, OK, yeah,

693
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,880
Track 3:
that's probably legit. I'm not going to ask you who you are, what your idea is.

694
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:14,800
Track 3:
You just say you need to put the building on lockdown. Go for it. And it's just like.

695
00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:19,810
Track 3:
that's how fucking fascism works like it's a bunch of people just assuming like

696
00:43:19,810 --> 00:43:22,590
Track 3:
well i've got this job and i'm in charge and there's no way i could be tricked

697
00:43:22,590 --> 00:43:25,330
Track 3:
so you know this person must be my my fascist buddy too.

698
00:43:25,330 --> 00:43:28,870
Track 1:
Yeah as you were saying that before you said and or that was the first thing

699
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:33,790
Track 1:
that came to my mind was like nemec's uh you know the unnatural need for control

700
00:43:33,790 --> 00:43:39,950
Track 1:
and their you know their hubris is above all else like uh it's like the the idea that they can also,

701
00:43:40,570 --> 00:43:45,750
Track 1:
close the roof of the building and just sort of like lock it down is also pretty insane.

702
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:49,370
Track 1:
They could just basically say like you're locked in. There's no more food coming

703
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:51,570
Track 1:
into your building and we can just starve you out.

704
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:54,030
Track 3:
Well, it's because more nukes could come. That's the idea.

705
00:43:54,850 --> 00:43:56,930
Track 4:
That and like block wars.

706
00:43:57,630 --> 00:43:57,930
Track 3:
Yeah.

707
00:43:58,250 --> 00:44:04,730
Track 4:
Block wars and several nuclear holocausts and apocalypses that have happened in the Dread universe.

708
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:08,270
Track 3:
Because yeah, that's the start of the 95 Dread is literally a block war going

709
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:12,050
Track 3:
like we need to lock down these buildings before the violence spreads throughout

710
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:15,350
Track 3:
the various blocks. So yeah, they got to do it.

711
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:19,610
Track 1:
Oh, that makes sense. Okay. Well, that makes it a little more not like they're

712
00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:21,850
Track 1:
protecting that in quotes.

713
00:44:21,850 --> 00:44:24,150
Track 2:
There's actually no plot holes in this movie.

714
00:44:24,490 --> 00:44:27,870
Track 3:
Protecting or containing, however you're looking at it. Peace through strength.

715
00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:28,690
Track 1:
What'd you say, Bill?

716
00:44:29,310 --> 00:44:33,030
Track 2:
I said, there are no plot holes in trend.

717
00:44:33,830 --> 00:44:35,550
Track 3:
He said there's no plot holes.

718
00:44:36,270 --> 00:44:37,790
Track 1:
Okay that was the only one.

719
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:38,310
Track 4:
That's the only.

720
00:44:38,310 --> 00:44:39,590
Track 1:
Thing that i noticed as.

721
00:44:39,590 --> 00:44:40,710
Track 4:
Like what about okay but.

722
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:41,270
Track 1:
Now it makes sense.

723
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:46,390
Track 4:
What about when he gets uh anderson to kill that guy for like the first time

724
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:51,410
Track 4:
and she's like hesitant to do it and he's like hey attempt like attempted murder

725
00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:55,090
Track 4:
on and off like on a judge is a murderable like.

726
00:44:55,090 --> 00:45:00,510
Track 3:
Yeah i'm glad you brought up the scene because i did want to talk why.

727
00:45:00,510 --> 00:45:05,470
Track 4:
Did he wait until an innocent was killed in the very beginning until for him

728
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:09,270
Track 4:
to kill those guys when they had already attempted to murder him.

729
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:12,150
Track 3:
So that's the thing that's tricky about him like that

730
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:16,790
Track 3:
quote that um you had about the you know it's the level of guilt there are other

731
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:19,950
Track 3:
parts in the comic books and this is the part that um the stallone version did

732
00:45:19,950 --> 00:45:25,050
Track 3:
really well is that dread himself is very much like you do not deviate from

733
00:45:25,050 --> 00:45:29,750
Track 3:
the letter of the law at all so you know and And it's kind of like what you said, that 99% thing.

734
00:45:29,890 --> 00:45:33,750
Track 3:
He goes, if there's even a fraction of a percent, he's not going to do a thing.

735
00:45:33,870 --> 00:45:37,610
Track 3:
But as soon as it happens, like it's it's weird. It's like the Uvaldi cops,

736
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:39,970
Track 3:
like just sitting there, like they know something's going on,

737
00:45:40,110 --> 00:45:42,490
Track 3:
but they're not going to react until they absolutely have to,

738
00:45:42,570 --> 00:45:43,570
Track 3:
which they never actually did.

739
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:47,530
Track 3:
But the thing that struck me with that, and I noticed that the first time it's

740
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:49,150
Track 3:
like she clearly she's psychic.

741
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:54,350
Track 3:
She can feel their thoughts and the fear. And like I picked up on it a lot more

742
00:45:54,350 --> 00:45:57,410
Track 3:
this time, like I've always noticed it with that particular scene.

743
00:45:57,410 --> 00:46:00,790
Track 3:
And when they find that guy's wife and she kind of like, oh,

744
00:46:00,830 --> 00:46:04,590
Track 3:
the elevator is not actually broken and you can see her being like, like feeling like shit.

745
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:09,850
Track 3:
But like this time around, one of my notes was Anderson is a total liberal,

746
00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:14,310
Track 3:
ultimately willing to be fascist under the idea that maybe she can slightly be better.

747
00:46:14,570 --> 00:46:17,170
Track 3:
And, you know, and that's like the whole argument of letting her go.

748
00:46:17,290 --> 00:46:18,250
Track 3:
It's like she's a psychic.

749
00:46:18,250 --> 00:46:21,770
Track 3:
So like she can potentially prevent things from happening. But when push comes

750
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:24,790
Track 3:
to shove, like she ultimately knows the guy that she was killed,

751
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:27,910
Track 3:
who was ended up being the husband of that woman who helped them was like,

752
00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:29,750
Track 3:
he didn't want to be a criminal.

753
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:32,130
Track 3:
He was born there. And I think, was it you, Ward, who said like,

754
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:35,710
Track 3:
they never leave the tower? One of you guys mentioned like, they probably never leave.

755
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:39,510
Track 3:
You know, that's what she basically said. Like, this is a guy who was born and

756
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:40,310
Track 3:
raised in this building.

757
00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:45,420
Track 3:
has never left, doesn't have any options, but to listen to who's in charge of the building.

758
00:46:45,580 --> 00:46:48,680
Track 3:
Like some of these people, it's like, you know, gangs in the inner cities.

759
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,480
Track 3:
It's like, sometimes this is the only way that these people can get any kind

760
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,200
Track 3:
of income, any kind of food, any kind of protection.

761
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,000
Track 3:
And like, she can know this, like she can, she absolutely knows this.

762
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:00,900
Track 3:
And just like, ah, fuck it.

763
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:03,920
Track 3:
And she ends up ultimately having no problem killing him. And then throughout

764
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,980
Track 3:
the rest of the movie, like she gets colder throughout the movie after that moment.

765
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,580
Track 3:
So it's like, ultimately it's like, you know, goes back to the.

766
00:47:10,580 --> 00:47:11,680
Track 1:
You know, Her first kill, right?

767
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,060
Track 3:
No, she killed plenty before that, but it was more like the first cold-blooded

768
00:47:16,060 --> 00:47:17,760
Track 3:
where it's like the guy's just sitting there basically.

769
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:22,380
Track 3:
He doesn't beg her, but he's begging her with his eyes. You can see he's terrified.

770
00:47:22,860 --> 00:47:26,860
Track 3:
And this time around, I've looked at it as like, he knows that they're having

771
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:27,840
Track 3:
a moment and connecting.

772
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,000
Track 3:
The way they look at each other, it's very clear she's in his brain and he knows

773
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Track 3:
and he's just like, you're still going to fucking kill me when you know how

774
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,460
Track 3:
fucking scared I am and how I didn't want to do this, but you have to kill me.

775
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:42,940
Track 3:
And it's just like, you know, it's, it's, it's a little crazy,

776
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:46,280
Track 3:
but that's like the idealism of like, you know, you're liberal and you're blue,

777
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,420
Track 3:
no matter who type in our society is just like, well, as long as we do it,

778
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:52,300
Track 3:
you know, just say we're better.

779
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,300
Track 3:
And, you know, if 1% of the time we do slightly better than,

780
00:47:55,420 --> 00:47:58,920
Track 3:
you know, the normal people, at least, at least we're trying. And it's like.

781
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,300
Track 2:
Thoughts and prayers. It's the ideology of thoughts and prayers.

782
00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:05,780
Track 2:
Or the witnessing, how it's like the witness, as long as you,

783
00:48:05,780 --> 00:48:10,200
Track 2:
as long as you, uh, you stand, you stand witness and, and testify.

784
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,220
Track 2:
That's all that matters.

785
00:48:12,490 --> 00:48:15,190
Track 1:
Do you think that when she can kind of, Anderson can kind of,

786
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:19,530
Track 1:
later when she goes into Kay's mind and sort of, you know, is in her,

787
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:22,810
Track 1:
in his head, like more than just like hearing, thinking of what he's doing,

788
00:48:23,090 --> 00:48:26,630
Track 1:
do you think she has the ability to influence their actions?

789
00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:30,930
Track 3:
Yes i think so i think it ultimately is just a matter of who has the stronger

790
00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:35,150
Track 3:
will but most people have probably never dealt with a psychic because she tells

791
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:38,230
Track 3:
him outright like like get me out of these cuffs and she's like you're not in

792
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:41,930
Track 3:
cuffs if you don't want to be like it's just a matter of who has the stronger

793
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:46,070
Track 3:
willpower is my assumption but i'm no psychic yeah.

794
00:48:46,070 --> 00:48:49,450
Track 1:
Like the idea of being able to influence people's minds you could theoretically

795
00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:53,990
Track 1:
you know she feels like she can do this like little bit of good of helping you

796
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:57,830
Track 1:
know one person here one person there but ultimately she's part of the system

797
00:48:57,830 --> 00:49:00,930
Track 1:
that is systematically killing and executing people,

798
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:06,090
Track 1:
who have no other choice because the material conditions that they live in are just fucked.

799
00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:08,190
Track 1:
They have no way out of this.

800
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:12,190
Track 1:
Presumably, I don't know if there are schools for the kids in this building? Presumably not.

801
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:12,870
Track 2:
Yes, there are.

802
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:13,410
Track 1:
They're just, okay.

803
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:16,030
Track 2:
We actually see a school, a classroom.

804
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:18,910
Track 1:
Oh, it's like when they go out the window and there's the skate park?

805
00:49:19,110 --> 00:49:20,950
Track 2:
No, they're actually in a classroom.

806
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:21,630
Track 3:
No, it's lower level.

807
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:24,990
Track 2:
No, they're actually in a classroom at one point. One of the first rooms they

808
00:49:24,990 --> 00:49:28,970
Track 2:
go into is a classroom there's like kids desks and shit oh you're.

809
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:30,710
Track 1:
Right you're right okay so they do so they.

810
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:31,030
Track 2:
Do go.

811
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:32,750
Track 1:
To school but inside of this building.

812
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:36,170
Track 2:
I do think that the reason dread

813
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:43,450
Track 2:
said that is partly because of like character stuff for her basically like you

814
00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:47,630
Track 2:
have to do this like if it was up or you fail yeah it was if it was like up

815
00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:51,870
Track 2:
to him like he you know because he is the superior officer and he has the right

816
00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:54,670
Track 2:
to like make his own decisions. Whereas, you know, it's like.

817
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:58,370
Track 2:
In that case, like with the guy that, you know, he chased or whatever.

818
00:49:59,470 --> 00:50:03,050
Track 2:
I also think that he was like stalling that guy in the beginning because of

819
00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:05,290
Track 2:
all the other, you know, because he had the woman hostage.

820
00:50:06,190 --> 00:50:09,610
Track 2:
But like, I think part of it was just like, he said that to her because he was

821
00:50:09,610 --> 00:50:11,470
Track 2:
like, basically telling her, it's like, you have to do this.

822
00:50:11,810 --> 00:50:15,350
Track 2:
So it's like, it's a gang initiation. That's basically what it is. It's a gang initiation.

823
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:19,410
Track 3:
Yeah. You mentioned the hostage and now we're going all the way back to the beginning of the movie.

824
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:21,290
Track 3:
But one of the things that struck me this time around, like,

825
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:24,150
Track 3:
you know, it's, you know, it's meant to be, it's cool showing off the gun and

826
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:26,590
Track 3:
the future tech. But, you know, she has the hostage and he's like,

827
00:50:26,650 --> 00:50:29,030
Track 3:
oh, there's nothing you can do, Dredd. You've got no fucking leverage.

828
00:50:29,090 --> 00:50:31,190
Track 3:
I'll blow her brains out. And he's like, you're right.

829
00:50:31,330 --> 00:50:33,670
Track 3:
Hot shot. And then the gun changes to like the flare.

830
00:50:33,810 --> 00:50:34,290
Track 2:
It's not a flare.

831
00:50:34,410 --> 00:50:35,610
Track 3:
It's actually shoots it anyway.

832
00:50:35,770 --> 00:50:41,150
Track 2:
It's actually a heat seeking round. It specifically goes for like the hottest like.

833
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:44,530
Track 3:
OK, so that thank you. So that actually was going to answer my question because

834
00:50:44,530 --> 00:50:47,910
Track 3:
I like I always bothered me. It's like, why would you not just shoot him in

835
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:49,350
Track 3:
the head? Like, you're so accurate.

836
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:52,410
Track 3:
You're so good at this. You know, why would you risk the thing that's bigger

837
00:50:52,410 --> 00:50:55,690
Track 3:
than a bullet going into an open thing that you're not likely to hit.

838
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:58,910
Track 3:
And, you know, even after he goes in his mouth, like his face is glowing and

839
00:50:58,910 --> 00:51:01,590
Track 3:
he's like active for a few seconds. Like he still could have shot the woman.

840
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:03,450
Track 4:
Yeah, it's like white phosphorus. It's crazy.

841
00:51:03,590 --> 00:51:06,170
Track 3:
Yeah, so that confused me. But the fact that it's heat seeking,

842
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:09,870
Track 3:
no plot holes, like you said, Bill. There's no plot holes in this movie.

843
00:51:10,210 --> 00:51:13,970
Track 4:
So I will say like you thought it was like risky taking that shot.

844
00:51:14,170 --> 00:51:17,990
Track 4:
If you watch, he starts stalling him. And then he starts walking back the way

845
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:22,210
Track 4:
he came from towards like the opposite side that the woman is on.

846
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:24,290
Track 4:
So he has a cleaner shot at the guy's head.

847
00:51:24,610 --> 00:51:25,250
Track 2:
No bottles.

848
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:26,150
Track 4:
It's well thought out.

849
00:51:28,490 --> 00:51:30,710
Track 3:
He's got a real situational awareness going on.

850
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,140
Track 4:
Dude, he used white phosphorus twice. Is Dredd Israeli?

851
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:39,920
Track 3:
Spiritually, definitely. Spiritually, he is.

852
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,220
Track 2:
He is a fascist.

853
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:45,760
Track 3:
Oh, man.

854
00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:55,600
Track 2:
Which I just, to go back to the whole nature of police and how this reflects things,

855
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,700
Track 2:
i what i can never

856
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:02,360
Track 2:
get out of my head is how what

857
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,200
Track 2:
do we we see police in america all the time with

858
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,880
Track 2:
you know punisher stuff no but

859
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:14,620
Track 2:
i've never seen and what dread has been around and dread was popular in america

860
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:18,400
Track 2:
for a while you know like people knew and there was a whole silvestre stallone

861
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:26,420
Track 2:
movie you've never seen a cop where you know where dread dread iconography uh unironically.

862
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:30,820
Track 3:
Like even yeah even if it was just like the badge kind of thing that is never been.

863
00:52:30,820 --> 00:52:35,420
Track 2:
Adopted by and it's like and it's just do they not.

864
00:52:35,420 --> 00:52:39,380
Track 3:
Maybe it's because the the the um satire

865
00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:42,140
Track 3:
is so much more obvious because like you know you you would think yeah they would

866
00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:45,040
Track 3:
because you look at like starship troopers and nobody ever recognizes that

867
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,620
Track 3:
like that's a satire or any of paul of

868
00:52:47,620 --> 00:52:51,780
Track 3:
paul verhoeven's movies or satires like most people don't get that or even predator

869
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:56,520
Track 3:
was a satire film like most americans don't get that so it is surprising they

870
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,780
Track 3:
didn't adopt maybe it's just too hard like in the 90s people weren't really

871
00:52:59,780 --> 00:53:07,400
Track 3:
cosplaying yet we didn't have 3d printers and we didn't know how to use eva foam yet so.

872
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,860
Track 2:
Interesting to me that it's just never been you.

873
00:53:09,860 --> 00:53:11,460
Track 1:
Know the punisher logo is just cooler.

874
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:14,020
Track 3:
Well, and it's easier. Yeah, it's just white. You don't have to do it.

875
00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:16,560
Track 3:
What is the definitive thing that you would use?

876
00:53:17,180 --> 00:53:19,900
Track 3:
You think Judge Dredd, you think of the visor. You can't, you know,

877
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,140
Track 3:
what are you going to do? Have them walk around helmets?

878
00:53:22,340 --> 00:53:25,060
Track 2:
How do you do that 2D image on a windshield? Yeah, totally.

879
00:53:25,860 --> 00:53:27,600
Track 4:
Yeah, try to make a custom helmet.

880
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,660
Track 1:
Do you think they sell Judge Dredd costumes?

881
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:30,540
Track 4:
Go get surplus right here.

882
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:31,900
Track 1:
Spirit Halloween?

883
00:53:32,730 --> 00:53:35,850
Track 3:
I don't remember seeing them in the era of this movie.

884
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:39,190
Track 3:
I mean, this movie did not do well financially.

885
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:43,050
Track 3:
This was a cult classic. It did really well after the fact. They almost did

886
00:53:43,050 --> 00:53:45,650
Track 3:
a revival as a TV show five or six years ago, and then it,

887
00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:49,050
Track 3:
puttered out um so no but and even

888
00:53:49,050 --> 00:53:52,310
Track 3:
the first one in the 90s like it was profitable but

889
00:53:52,310 --> 00:53:55,010
Track 3:
like it didn't hit the zeitgeist like a lot of people thought it was

890
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:57,810
Track 3:
a bad movie for like like i thought it was a really bad movie until i covered it

891
00:53:57,810 --> 00:54:00,650
Track 3:
on my old podcast like 10 years ago and i was like actually this

892
00:54:00,650 --> 00:54:03,290
Track 3:
movie kind of rips like i didn't remember being kind of

893
00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:08,410
Track 3:
good like you know i think it took the time to go away and recognize like it

894
00:54:08,410 --> 00:54:12,110
Track 3:
is very much of the time but also like took some big swings like as i get older

895
00:54:12,110 --> 00:54:16,150
Track 3:
i appreciate a big swing in a movie and that movie did take some swings but

896
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:19,130
Track 3:
yeah i don't i don't see why people would have adopted it in the 90s like it

897
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:21,890
Track 3:
wasn't a zeitgeist kind of thing yeah.

898
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:23,510
Track 1:
Somehow it just wasn't uh as

899
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:26,850
Track 1:
catchy i mean the solo movie did pretty well right i'm pretty sure it did.

900
00:54:26,850 --> 00:54:29,990
Track 3:
Financially it did well like it just you know it's one of those movies like

901
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:34,590
Track 3:
it made its money and more but you know wasn't something that like took off

902
00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:36,970
Track 3:
that people were talking about for years after yeah.

903
00:54:36,970 --> 00:54:40,490
Track 1:
What you said for this one so this yeah this movie cost between 30 and 45 million

904
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:45,370
Track 1:
and it says it made 41 and a half million to the box office that's pretty dreadful haha.

905
00:54:45,370 --> 00:54:49,430
Track 3:
And i was probably 40 bucks of that because i saw it twice evan.

906
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:50,370
Track 4:
I'm judging you.

907
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:58,310
Track 1:
But the first movie cost 90 million and made 113 so like it did okay it's still not great i mean.

908
00:54:58,310 --> 00:55:02,610
Track 3:
Yeah but in the 90s they weren't doing the budget of the movie for marketing

909
00:55:02,610 --> 00:55:05,950
Track 3:
like back then they would that's true there was no youtube it was just would

910
00:55:05,950 --> 00:55:09,770
Track 3:
back then they would have a trailer maybe two months before and then 30 days

911
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:13,790
Track 3:
before they would drop a ton of ads on abc at 8 p.m.

912
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:17,210
Track 1:
Yeah they weren't doing yeah youtube and like social

913
00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:20,250
Track 1:
media blasts and putting them on taxi cab

914
00:55:20,250 --> 00:55:25,650
Track 1:
things and shit yeah that reminds me of that movie that just came out from saudi

915
00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:30,850
Track 1:
arabia with um that was the most expensive saudi arabian film ever 150 million

916
00:55:30,850 --> 00:55:35,790
Track 1:
and it's anthony mackie yeah and it's made 89 000 or something in the box office

917
00:55:35,790 --> 00:55:38,830
Track 1:
it's lost basically 150 million dollars you'll.

918
00:55:38,830 --> 00:55:39,450
Track 2:
Love to see it.

919
00:55:39,450 --> 00:55:45,110
Track 3:
Incredible you mean my mic definitely peaked on that laugh.

920
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,600
Track 2:
Now oh i see here you know

921
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,400
Track 2:
um i believe evan you made it up at that

922
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,180
Track 2:
this um that our reviews have said this

923
00:55:56,180 --> 00:55:59,540
Track 2:
movie passed the bechdel test yeah but

924
00:55:59,540 --> 00:56:03,320
Track 2:
no two females talk and that is inaccurate

925
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,600
Track 2:
mama and anderson have

926
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,980
Track 2:
a conversation and that is like honestly probably

927
00:56:09,980 --> 00:56:12,800
Track 2:
one of the most like when you really think about

928
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,140
Track 2:
it other than when and he really dread

929
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:19,200
Track 2:
barely talks to mama that is the

930
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,080
Track 2:
two sides of the coin of like the

931
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,080
Track 2:
fascism and like the the girl bossing of

932
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,260
Track 2:
this whole system the movie you know mama is

933
00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:32,340
Track 2:
because it's very you know is made a point that she was

934
00:56:32,340 --> 00:56:35,700
Track 2:
a sex worker was abused you know now so she's and

935
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,760
Track 2:
it's like she's presented it's like you know this powerful woman she is

936
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,960
Track 2:
you know she's the drug kingpin she runs the fucking place you

937
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,200
Track 2:
know and then it's like and then anderson who

938
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,620
Track 2:
is a woman that came up in a

939
00:56:49,620 --> 00:56:52,280
Track 2:
magazine you know on the the very border of the

940
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,720
Track 2:
area no family orphaned you

941
00:56:55,720 --> 00:57:01,240
Track 2:
know and now the two of them they're on the opposite sides of that system and

942
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:06,520
Track 2:
both having achieved points of like power you know well anderson is you know

943
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:12,980
Track 2:
attempting to um taking power you know within a system that oppresses and becoming

944
00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:14,700
Track 2:
oppressors in their own right well.

945
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:16,900
Track 3:
And both have men afraid of.

946
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:17,400
Track 2:
Them like.

947
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,300
Track 3:
For obvious reasons mama bit a dude's dick off.

948
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:22,360
Track 2:
And skins up.

949
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,220
Track 3:
Yeah and skins up.

950
00:57:23,220 --> 00:57:24,560
Track 2:
Actually and skins.

951
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:29,640
Track 3:
A bunch of men yeah and then anderson like freaks a bunch of people like dread

952
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,980
Track 3:
himself is not comfortable around her and then you know you know all the times

953
00:57:33,980 --> 00:57:37,800
Track 3:
that she enters the various goons minds they're just like what the fuck is going

954
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:43,600
Track 3:
on like they are everybody is uncomfortable around both anderson and mama,

955
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:48,400
Track 3:
That never occurred to me. Good observation, man.

956
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:54,100
Track 1:
It was from a review that was listed on Wikipedia, and it says their reasoning

957
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:57,760
Track 1:
for why it passes was because it's lacking in sexism or misogyny,

958
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,800
Track 1:
positively portrays female characters who are no weaker,

959
00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:03,840
Track 1:
more sexualized, or shown less than their male counterparts.

960
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:04,900
Track 1:
And that's exactly what you just said.

961
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,780
Track 2:
There's nothing sexual about this movie.

962
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:17,800
Track 2:
The only way, at the only point in which sexuality is used in this movie is

963
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,400
Track 2:
to discuss Mama's history and point out,

964
00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:29,340
Track 2:
like, make it clear that that behavior was bad, is bad, and, like, it's almost like,

965
00:58:31,150 --> 00:58:35,830
Track 2:
her vengeance and like you know like the way she you know is actually one of

966
00:58:35,830 --> 00:58:41,770
Track 2:
the only things it's like yeah no she was she was right this is a positive judgment like you.

967
00:58:41,770 --> 00:58:44,870
Track 1:
Missed one other point when uh when anderson and k and he's going.

968
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:45,650
Track 2:
Into her mind.

969
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:47,130
Track 3:
Yep he has.

970
00:58:47,130 --> 00:58:53,170
Track 4:
This fantasy of her yeah but then well that's because he can't like hurt her at first and.

971
00:58:53,170 --> 00:58:54,670
Track 3:
She's just trying to shock her yeah.

972
00:58:54,670 --> 00:58:58,030
Track 4:
He's trying to shock her and fuck with her because he's like oh i'm a fucked

973
00:58:58,030 --> 00:59:02,410
Track 4:
up piece of shit like if like it's my mind i can fucking control it and make

974
00:59:02,410 --> 00:59:08,830
Track 4:
whatever happened happen i totally forgot that's not how it works like she's the psychic but.

975
00:59:08,830 --> 00:59:12,230
Track 1:
Even still i still like think the point stands i think that it's still.

976
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:12,710
Track 4:
Oh yeah.

977
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:16,110
Track 3:
No i think well and there's another scene um where

978
00:59:16,110 --> 00:59:18,970
Track 3:
mama and the the i don't know that

979
00:59:18,970 --> 00:59:22,110
Track 3:
you know four other cops show up at the end um you

980
00:59:22,110 --> 00:59:25,490
Track 3:
know as backup but they're actually there to take out dread and anderson um

981
00:59:25,490 --> 00:59:28,410
Track 3:
there's a woman cop and she goes around and

982
00:59:28,410 --> 00:59:31,730
Track 3:
mama's like what are you going to do like well i'm going to go get anderson

983
00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:34,630
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they're like well how like how's that going to work she goes well i

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00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:37,450
Track 3:
either see her first and i kill her or she sees

985
00:59:37,450 --> 00:59:41,290
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me first sees me as a cop she hesitates and then i kill her so there's another

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00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:47,070
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conversation of two women talking about another women again all three of them

987
00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:51,710
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acknowledging the power that all of them have in the dangerous situation they're

988
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:57,130
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in and how all three of them are potentially threats so look at that this movie's feminist look at that,

989
00:59:57,810 --> 01:00:01,650
Track 3:
four four men declaring now wait wait now.

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I know why that the conservatives don't dress up as dread because this movie

991
01:00:05,090 --> 01:00:07,030
Track 1:
is woke for them yeah dread is i.

992
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:10,890
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Mean in reality dread is actually literally.

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01:00:10,890 --> 01:00:11,690
Track 1:
I know.

994
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:18,370
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Well and it's in a joke dread is anti-dei he was really upset when anderson

995
01:00:18,370 --> 01:00:21,310
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came up because she she missed uh,

996
01:00:22,110 --> 01:00:24,750
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one or two it was like three questions on her it's.

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01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:28,790
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Anti-di because she's a mutant she's a minority yeah she's.

998
01:00:28,790 --> 01:00:31,430
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A she's a

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01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:34,570
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woman mutant but in this world like

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01:00:34,570 --> 01:00:37,290
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this this is almost like maga's wet room because it's

1001
01:00:37,290 --> 01:00:40,450
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like they were going to give her the gig because of

1002
01:00:40,450 --> 01:00:43,490
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her special abilities and they were willing to lower

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the threshold and dread was like no fuck that we're

1004
01:00:46,350 --> 01:00:49,270
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not lowering the threshold she needs to get out in the fucking field

1005
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and fucking do it by the book and then even by the end

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he's like nah she's a pass even though like

1007
01:00:54,770 --> 01:00:57,690
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she did technically fail like she got her gun taken

1008
01:00:57,690 --> 01:01:00,430
Track 3:
away she let somebody she let donald gleason off the

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hook she basically that argument of like look man

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01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:07,790
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he's a little kid he was abducted as a boy he's been a slave to mama for his

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01:01:07,790 --> 01:01:12,110
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whole life like i already failed so i'm gonna let this creep go so like she

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01:01:12,110 --> 01:01:16,950
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absolutely failed but still gets in so she is a dei hire and i'm not opposed

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01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:21,710
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to dei just for the record so this is like kind of related.

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Track 1:
To this but one of the things that um that

1015
01:01:24,570 --> 01:01:27,610
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the alex garland said as part of sort of his development

1016
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this is in the wikipedia page but he's sort of referencing the original

1017
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:33,890
Track 1:
comic book storyline and then how he tried to

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01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:40,030
Track 1:
write the character into this is that he thinks do you think that dread has

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01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:45,090
Track 1:
any kind of character change or like well in the movie or do you think it's

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sort of he because alex garland was saying he was trying to give him some course

1021
01:01:50,050 --> 01:01:52,630
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of change but not like a great epiphany is what he says.

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I i think he gets a little bit of gray so there's not 50 shades of gray in this

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01:01:56,950 --> 01:02:00,170
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but maybe one shade of gray yeah because he was very black and white but the

1024
01:02:00,170 --> 01:02:06,030
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fact that he signs off on anderson at the end shows that he's willing to have

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01:02:06,030 --> 01:02:10,970
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a little bit of gray area i think that's it it's like a half a percent character change i'd.

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Say also the fact that he didn't just like murk those two fucking kids that try to.

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01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:16,110
Track 3:
Shoot at him.

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01:02:16,110 --> 01:02:17,970
Track 4:
Yeah you know i

1029
01:02:18,370 --> 01:02:21,190
Track 4:
Could have easily just been like high explosive. Wow.

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01:02:23,110 --> 01:02:27,170
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He doesn't exactly give her like a glowing review. It's basically says,

1031
01:02:27,250 --> 01:02:32,870
Track 1:
you know, does she, she passed was basically like the, I think that's a man.

1032
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:33,710
Track 4:
Of few words.

1033
01:02:34,110 --> 01:02:35,610
Track 2:
He said a whole sentence.

1034
01:02:35,610 --> 01:02:36,690
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That's like getting a medal of freedom.

1035
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:38,150
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He said a whole sentence.

1036
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:41,210
Track 4:
That's ranting and raving for that man.

1037
01:02:42,670 --> 01:02:48,490
Track 3:
It's a five-star Yelp review. he she was in that situation where like if he

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01:02:48,490 --> 01:02:52,290
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was the hr manager like you were our top performer you got you did such a great

1039
01:02:52,290 --> 01:02:54,890
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job but i can still only give you a 3.5 and no raise.

1040
01:02:56,970 --> 01:02:59,050
Track 2:
He didn't even grimace when he said it.

1041
01:02:59,050 --> 01:02:59,830
Track 3:
That's true.

1042
01:02:59,830 --> 01:03:06,190
Track 1:
He did say it pretty politely neutral i had any other notes some of mine were

1043
01:03:06,190 --> 01:03:09,610
Track 1:
like more like joke like not necessarily serious thing we've already talked

1044
01:03:09,610 --> 01:03:10,990
Track 1:
about the cinematography which is great.

1045
01:03:10,990 --> 01:03:14,270
Track 3:
Yeah you have to keep in mind with the cinematography

1046
01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:17,150
Track 3:
you know um with this is this movie

1047
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:20,690
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was filmed in 3d in 2012 like this

1048
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:23,490
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was designed and i think that's a big part like slow-mo makes a ton of

1049
01:03:23,490 --> 01:03:26,390
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sense for that aspect of it was

1050
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:30,090
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actually shot and filmed in 3d like i saw this in 3d the first time and you

1051
01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:34,190
Track 3:
know this was 2012 era where they were making fucking everything in 3d most

1052
01:03:34,190 --> 01:03:38,410
Track 3:
of it was slop but this one i was actually saw like i remember this was solid

1053
01:03:38,410 --> 01:03:43,570
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um amazing spider-man was came out the same year that was shot in 3D on dual

1054
01:03:43,570 --> 01:03:45,950
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red camera systems and looked good.

1055
01:03:46,110 --> 01:03:50,670
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Like, this was an era if somebody put some love into the movie in the 3D,

1056
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:52,390
Track 3:
it could be good and this was one of the few.

1057
01:03:52,550 --> 01:03:57,210
Track 2:
This is one of the examples of those movies. There's, in my experience,

1058
01:03:57,310 --> 01:03:59,810
Track 2:
there's two ways that directors make,

1059
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:03,680
Track 2:
3d films where the movie comes at you

1060
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,500
Track 2:
or when you go in the movie avatar is

1061
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:10,500
Track 2:
similarly was similarly filmed 3d

1062
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:13,540
Track 2:
and filmed for you to go in

1063
01:04:13,540 --> 01:04:17,700
Track 2:
as opposed for it to come out to you this movie never has any of those moments

1064
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:21,760
Track 2:
where it's like bam comes out screaming at you you know it's like because even

1065
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,560
Track 2:
in a non-3d film you could tell when they do that you know so it's like for

1066
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,580
Track 2:
this in 3d the intention was to draw you in,

1067
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,640
Track 2:
to pull you in, not for the movie to come out to you.

1068
01:04:33,980 --> 01:04:38,960
Track 1:
Yeah, you're like the POV person navigating through the building.

1069
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,900
Track 2:
I think that's a huge... That's what makes it work.

1070
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,620
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And why does it feel like D.A.D. has so many of those films do?

1071
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:51,040
Track 1:
The person who was the cinematographer, Anthony Dodd-Mantle,

1072
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,300
Track 1:
I was just looking at his Wikipedia.

1073
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,400
Track 1:
So he also filmed, or

1074
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,740
Track 1:
the cinematographer for Danny Boyle's 28 years later and

1075
01:04:58,740 --> 01:05:01,560
Track 1:
apparently i didn't this is just a random fact it says

1076
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,680
Track 1:
that he was the cinematographer for slumdog millionaire which

1077
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,600
Track 1:
was the first movie that was shot on digital to

1078
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,160
Track 1:
win an oscar so 2008 was sort

1079
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,140
Track 1:
of like the turning point for you know digital not as being the standard and

1080
01:05:15,140 --> 01:05:20,100
Track 1:
not using film cameras but he has a pretty extensive career of some like really

1081
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:24,900
Track 1:
good movies he did 28 days later dogville which is a good movie people haven't

1082
01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:29,860
Track 1:
seen that lars von trier i I think it's Nicole Kidman. He's got a lot of good ones.

1083
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,620
Track 4:
Dope i really like the slow-mo scenes i really

1084
01:05:33,620 --> 01:05:36,780
Track 4:
appreciated that they didn't do a fuck ton of them like they

1085
01:05:36,780 --> 01:05:40,640
Track 4:
easily could have same with like a mechanic anderson's

1086
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,420
Track 4:
like psychic ability it's like that shit

1087
01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:46,360
Track 4:
could have been like over the top like that scene you're saying like when they

1088
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,380
Track 4:
bust in that room immediately and just start shooting everybody it's like i

1089
01:05:50,380 --> 01:05:55,320
Track 4:
would take that over like a whole like two three minute scene of anderson being

1090
01:05:55,320 --> 01:06:00,840
Track 4:
like oh there's a guy in the room there's like five men in the room to one in this corner,

1091
01:06:00,980 --> 01:06:03,300
Track 4:
one in the other corner, both will have weapons.

1092
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,820
Track 4:
Like, I don't need that. Like, let's just get into this.

1093
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,980
Track 3:
Like, yeah, they could have easily gone like the Sherlock Holmes,

1094
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,480
Track 3:
you know, from 2011 route where it's like paints the picture of what's going to happen.

1095
01:06:12,620 --> 01:06:14,880
Track 3:
And then, you know, you see it one way where they get killed or whatever,

1096
01:06:14,940 --> 01:06:16,320
Track 3:
and then they go back through and do it again.

1097
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,560
Track 3:
You know? Yeah. It could have been a really stupid mechanic,

1098
01:06:18,620 --> 01:06:22,280
Track 3:
but no, you're right. They, they were subtle. Like they, they played it right.

1099
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:23,000
Track 4:
It was well done.

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01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:25,780
Track 1:
I also want to call out the, uh, mama's.

1101
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:32,380
Track 1:
steel fortress room that she has is fucking insane and like that goes back to

1102
01:06:32,380 --> 01:06:35,480
Track 1:
the beginning where you're saying you know she's like a kingpin i think only

1103
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:41,360
Track 1:
a kingpin would have like that kind of place you just reinforce steel you know uh also.

1104
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,820
Track 4:
Rigged to explode yeah and take down the entire building.

1105
01:06:44,820 --> 01:06:49,820
Track 3:
We did not talk about the end of the movie like at all at all like what how

1106
01:06:49,820 --> 01:06:55,860
Track 3:
it actually ends because like ultimately like dread gambles with a lot of people's

1107
01:06:55,860 --> 01:07:00,260
Track 3:
lives because they don't matter she's got a heart monitor uh where like if she

1108
01:07:00,260 --> 01:07:01,880
Track 3:
dies like there's apparently,

1109
01:07:02,460 --> 01:07:05,380
Track 3:
bombs all over the building you know 86 story building

1110
01:07:05,380 --> 01:07:08,140
Track 3:
however tall it is and i i think she

1111
01:07:08,140 --> 01:07:11,100
Track 3:
said it's like the top part of it so it'll all collapse in and kill everybody

1112
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:18,320
Track 3:
yeah so you know it's it's all bad and he's just like yeah you're you know you

1113
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,360
Track 3:
might be a drug lord but you're you're kind of poor i imagine you don't have

1114
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,960
Track 3:
the best you know telecommunication products and your stuff So I'm just going

1115
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,880
Track 3:
to gamble that if I throw you over the edge.

1116
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:29,420
Track 4:
She's got a whole hacker room with the hacker guy.

1117
01:07:29,460 --> 01:07:30,780
Track 3:
You are going to.

1118
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:31,560
Track 1:
Uh, true.

1119
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,520
Track 3:
You know, they act like he's like, yeah, your technology sucks.

1120
01:07:35,060 --> 01:07:38,340
Track 3:
I'm going to throw you over the edge and just assume the radio transmitter is

1121
01:07:38,340 --> 01:07:41,180
Track 3:
not strong enough to actually make the bombs go off. And that's fucking risky.

1122
01:07:41,620 --> 01:07:44,700
Track 1:
No, the, the building is 200 stories. Yeah.

1123
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:49,900
Track 4:
It's 200 stories and it's something like the top 50 stories that she'd blow up.

1124
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:55,880
Track 4:
But like, she's got a hacker guy with a whole hacker room and he's all,

1125
01:07:55,940 --> 01:07:59,840
Track 4:
his whole theory is like, oh, it won't go through 200 floors of fucking concrete.

1126
01:08:00,020 --> 01:08:06,520
Track 4:
But like, there's a giant column of air that goes all the way up that a signal could go.

1127
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:13,140
Track 2:
Yeah. I forgot that when he threw her, he threw her like in the building.

1128
01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:16,540
Track 2:
I was like, I thought, so this is the only thing I'm willing to,

1129
01:08:16,580 --> 01:08:20,420
Track 2:
I'm willing to concede this. maybe either this is either a plot or like or really

1130
01:08:20,420 --> 01:08:24,580
Track 2:
just evidence like he does not give a fuck i don't.

1131
01:08:24,580 --> 01:08:26,240
Track 4:
Know he's straight doesn't.

1132
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:26,900
Track 2:
Give a fuck.

1133
01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:30,300
Track 3:
Maybe he likes it because what my last note that i had on

1134
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:33,040
Track 3:
you know like the last 20 30 minutes of the movie ripped so

1135
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,960
Track 3:
hard i stopped taking notes um so you

1136
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,180
Track 3:
know they go to the building because the two guys get killed and

1137
01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:42,000
Track 3:
they go to investigate it and then he throws k off

1138
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,480
Track 3:
the ledge at one point so a third body falls yeah most

1139
01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:48,400
Track 3:
of that way as well because the first two guys only fell like 21 stories or

1140
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,920
Track 3:
whatever and then k fell from i think somewhere in the 70 range because they

1141
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,820
Track 3:
only go up to like the 86th floor there's still tons of floors above them that

1142
01:08:56,820 --> 01:09:01,860
Track 3:
we never get to um but he throws what k over the edge so a third person goes

1143
01:09:01,860 --> 01:09:04,140
Track 3:
re-traumatizing everybody on

1144
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:06,400
Track 3:
the ground floor that's a fourth person and then at the end of the movie,

1145
01:09:06,930 --> 01:09:09,090
Track 3:
Yeah, so Mama's the fourth person.

1146
01:09:09,090 --> 01:09:10,010
Track 2:
She's the fifth person.

1147
01:09:10,150 --> 01:09:12,910
Track 3:
You know, this movie takes place. Oh, is she the fifth? Who's the fourth?

1148
01:09:13,130 --> 01:09:15,670
Track 4:
There's three people initially in the very beginning.

1149
01:09:15,670 --> 01:09:17,350
Track 2:
Oh, it was the three at the beginning. Oh, K is four.

1150
01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:19,230
Track 3:
Okay. So K is four.

1151
01:09:19,390 --> 01:09:19,850
Track 2:
Oh, wait.

1152
01:09:19,950 --> 01:09:22,430
Track 4:
You drop and then one almost lands on a mom.

1153
01:09:22,590 --> 01:09:29,510
Track 2:
I'm sorry. Actually, she's the sixth because he throws her lieutenant down halfway through the movie.

1154
01:09:29,830 --> 01:09:32,110
Track 3:
That's what it was. Yeah, it was him. That's who I was talking about.

1155
01:09:32,190 --> 01:09:35,150
Track 3:
It wasn't K. I forget. So it was K and the head of security.

1156
01:09:35,330 --> 01:09:39,590
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Yeah. so it's like six times or i guess we'll say four times three times because

1157
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:43,330
Track 3:
the first one was three that's traumatizing but then three more times of just

1158
01:09:43,330 --> 01:09:45,290
Track 3:
traumatizing all these people on the bottom floor.

1159
01:09:45,290 --> 01:09:46,130
Track 2:
And like dude.

1160
01:09:46,130 --> 01:09:49,610
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There's no way he could have known that a little child wasn't walking by and get.

1161
01:09:49,610 --> 01:09:50,970
Track 2:
Squished lockdown like.

1162
01:09:50,970 --> 01:09:56,970
Track 4:
Uh so initially little child almost did get squished by that third body coming

1163
01:09:56,970 --> 01:10:02,170
Track 4:
down but then they went into lockdown and like to mama's credit she did say

1164
01:10:02,170 --> 01:10:06,650
Track 4:
like if you're not gonna hunt these motherfuckers down for me get the fuck out of the.

1165
01:10:06,650 --> 01:10:12,210
Track 2:
Way that's fair hide some mama's credit she to mama's.

1166
01:10:12,210 --> 01:10:14,230
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Credit fuck i gotta get mama.

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01:10:14,850 --> 01:10:18,230
Track 2:
And like so this is

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01:10:18,230 --> 01:10:23,990
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mama is played by lena hetty um and for those of you know lena hetty is well

1169
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:29,630
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known as cersei stark from game of thrones um this was way before game of thrones

1170
01:10:29,630 --> 01:10:37,650
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um and this really she is an incredible actor and she does villain so good.

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01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:39,500
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It's so good.

1172
01:10:39,500 --> 01:10:42,960
Track 3:
I said this was this she probably filmed this between season one and season two,

1173
01:10:43,780 --> 01:10:46,540
Track 3:
of um i almost said lord of the rings was an idiot

1174
01:10:46,540 --> 01:10:49,320
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um game of thrones yeah because game

1175
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,760
Track 3:
of thrones season one was 2011 this came out 2012 so she

1176
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,100
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probably filmed this in 2011 yeah so

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01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:59,160
Track 3:
this was probably between yeah well what's interesting i'm glad

1178
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,420
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you brought her up though is like this is one of those movies where they're

1179
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Track 3:
able to do a lot of action and special effects at

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01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,940
Track 3:
a lower budget because you know Carl Urban is

1181
01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:11,840
Track 3:
obviously the biggest name in this but like he's not an A-list

1182
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,640
Track 3:
or even today like he's very popular people know who

1183
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,720
Track 3:
he is but he's not getting millions of dollars in these

1184
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,480
Track 3:
movies like Lena Heading even back then you know of course

1185
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:23,540
Track 3:
she was in um 300 like she had been around she

1186
01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:26,240
Track 3:
probably got like a hundred grand for this movie if even that like she

1187
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,880
Track 3:
wasn't blowing up yet no from from Game of

1188
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,940
Track 3:
Thrones yet like she was just starting to get recognized from that and then

1189
01:11:31,940 --> 01:11:34,760
Track 3:
you look at um oh I don't remember

1190
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,460
Track 3:
the actress's name who plays anderson but same thing like she had

1191
01:11:37,460 --> 01:11:40,180
Track 3:
done like what yeah she's done like one or two things a

1192
01:11:40,180 --> 01:11:42,940
Track 3:
year nothing big nothing is the lead going up to this like

1193
01:11:42,940 --> 01:11:46,020
Track 3:
there's nobody in this movie that's a name other than

1194
01:11:46,020 --> 01:11:48,880
Track 3:
urban at the time so it's like i i

1195
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:53,880
Track 3:
miss this type of movie like i like i miss character actors like if this movie

1196
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,000
Track 3:
you know i watched the martian like a month or so back and i was telling my

1197
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,780
Track 3:
wife about i'm like if this movie was made in the 90s it would have had you

1198
01:12:00,780 --> 01:12:04,600
Track 3:
know matt damon-esque type person would be there the head of nasa would have

1199
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,240
Track 3:
been you know jeff Daniel still would have been there.

1200
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,460
Track 3:
Maybe Sean Bean, but all of the other astronauts would have been character actors

1201
01:12:10,460 --> 01:12:14,600
Track 3:
that you would have seen in like Volcano or Dante's Peak or whatever.

1202
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,620
Track 3:
They would have just been like whatever, you know, working class actors.

1203
01:12:17,820 --> 01:12:21,620
Track 3:
And nowadays, like everything's an A-lister. So like this was kind of the end of that era.

1204
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,100
Track 2:
My one, I mean, it felt unnecessary to kill all the guys in that control room.

1205
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:34,720
Track 4:
Yeah i i do agree with that yeah i i expected them to just come in with guns

1206
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:39,260
Track 4:
and be like get the fuck out and they would be like oh it's mama's guys all

1207
01:12:39,260 --> 01:12:43,100
Track 4:
right time to get up and out of here like time to fuck off all right i didn't.

1208
01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:43,840
Track 2:
Think they i don't think.

1209
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:50,720
Track 4:
They would that was an early shift but no they get gunned the fuck down unnecessary unnecessary.

1210
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,140
Track 2:
Come on gang members show some decorum.

1211
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,320
Track 4:
Yeah no respect for workers these days that's.

1212
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:00,520
Track 2:
Some class trainer shit right there.

1213
01:13:02,460 --> 01:13:04,620
Track 4:
Really is i.

1214
01:13:04,620 --> 01:13:06,400
Track 2:
Don't know why like i mean i've watched.

1215
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:06,700
Track 4:
This so.

1216
01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:10,120
Track 2:
Many times and this time i was like that just seems over the top.

1217
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:18,600
Track 4:
I had the exact same thoughts coming from the same movie where they set up like

1218
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:24,280
Track 4:
three mini guns and mow down a whole like sector of the building.

1219
01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:32,340
Track 4:
I didn't think that that was over the top. But the guys getting shot in the control room,

1220
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,140
Track 4:
That was over the top.

1221
01:13:34,660 --> 01:13:40,260
Track 1:
We were just talking about the gratuitous violence.

1222
01:13:40,580 --> 01:13:42,100
Track 2:
Against the working class.

1223
01:13:43,620 --> 01:13:50,820
Track 4:
The unnecessary gratuitous violence enacted upon the working class proletarians

1224
01:13:50,820 --> 01:13:56,400
Track 4:
working in the engineering control room that got gunned down by mama's thugs.

1225
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:03,040
Track 3:
Well, just all of the innocence in the minigun part. Like she takes out like

1226
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,040
Track 3:
20 people who are just like, oh, we're way up on the 70th floor. We should be fine.

1227
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,160
Track 3:
And then like fucking machine guns, all of them.

1228
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,740
Track 4:
Funny you say that. I didn't think that that was over the top.

1229
01:14:15,220 --> 01:14:16,380
Track 4:
But that control room.

1230
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:20,340
Track 3:
I mean, I get using a minigun to take out two judges, including a psychic one.

1231
01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:22,900
Track 3:
But I meant like wiping out all the civilians kind of sucks.

1232
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:23,840
Track 2:
Yeah, no, we just like.

1233
01:14:23,940 --> 01:14:26,780
Track 4:
Oh, yeah, no, definitely suck. But I didn't think it was over the top.

1234
01:14:26,780 --> 01:14:30,860
Track 2:
Which is for some reason, for some reason, we, for some reason,

1235
01:14:31,060 --> 01:14:33,840
Track 2:
I don't like, we were both just saying how, like, we've watched this so many

1236
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,960
Track 2:
times and like, for some reason this time when they walked through the control

1237
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,300
Track 2:
room and shot those people,

1238
01:14:38,580 --> 01:14:42,840
Track 2:
like both of us were just like, apparently independently opposite sides of the country going, Hey,

1239
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,420
Track 2:
that wasn't cool. You didn't need to do that.

1240
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,140
Track 2:
But you know, the mini gun. I'm trying to like find the scene right now. No questions.

1241
01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:54,300
Track 4:
Yeah. I see them mounting mini guns and I'm like, man, that checks out.

1242
01:14:54,300 --> 01:14:54,960
Track 2:
It's.

1243
01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:00,020
Track 4:
Dread and a psychic judge like i'd i'd probably do the same.

1244
01:15:00,020 --> 01:15:00,720
Track 2:
I'm not alting her for.

1245
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:01,860
Track 3:
Losing it like i.

1246
01:15:01,860 --> 01:15:07,480
Track 2:
Get the i get the calculus when when the when the corrupt cop shows up and he's

1247
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:11,600
Track 2:
like how much to kill a judge you're like oh whatever it's 10 million or whatever

1248
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,880
Track 2:
and she's like that much he's like well what's the judge dread yeah 10 million

1249
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,000
Track 2:
so he's he has a reputation.

1250
01:15:18,940 --> 01:15:20,620
Track 1:
Yeah oh very much so.

1251
01:15:20,620 --> 01:15:25,860
Track 4:
Yeah it's the judge dread as one of the judges says later they're like.

1252
01:15:25,860 --> 01:15:26,880
Track 1:
Guys they named the movie.

1253
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,600
Track 2:
After him he's obviously gonna be hard to kill.

1254
01:15:30,540 --> 01:15:32,040
Track 4:
Is pretty important.

1255
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:32,980
Track 2:
He's got his own comic book.

1256
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:33,320
Track 3:
Guys.

1257
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,240
Track 1:
Jeez. They made this dystopia just for him.

1258
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:38,740
Track 3:
It's true.

1259
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:42,460
Track 4:
It's his playground. Literally, one of the workers is napping with his feet

1260
01:15:42,460 --> 01:15:46,100
Track 4:
up when they get fucking gunned down. That poor fucking man.

1261
01:15:46,820 --> 01:15:52,860
Track 2:
See, our point is that they could have just said to them, go home. They would have.

1262
01:15:54,140 --> 01:15:55,540
Track 3:
Oh, for sure they would have.

1263
01:15:55,740 --> 01:16:00,360
Track 4:
Like, they would have easily been like, oh, mama's guy's got guns. Time to leave.

1264
01:16:00,660 --> 01:16:02,440
Track 3:
I kept the seat work for you.

1265
01:16:02,780 --> 01:16:04,680
Track 2:
Yeah, exactly. Okay.

1266
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,280
Track 4:
Help yourself to my sandwich, boys. Have a good one.

1267
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,080
Track 2:
There's beers in the fridge.

1268
01:16:10,980 --> 01:16:13,580
Track 3:
There's some leftover pizza in the fridge. Have at it.

1269
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:14,340
Track 2:
Go for it.

1270
01:16:14,380 --> 01:16:18,440
Track 1:
There's some slow-mo containers there for you, too.

1271
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:21,140
Track 2:
Yeah, Soylent Green Top Pizza.

1272
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:27,040
Track 1:
Yeah, Recyc pizza. It's fresh on house people.

1273
01:16:28,260 --> 01:16:28,620
Track 2:
Recycoroni.

1274
01:16:29,420 --> 01:16:33,540
Track 1:
Do you think that they, you know, like when the guy outside gets smashed by

1275
01:16:33,540 --> 01:16:35,740
Track 1:
the gate, like, you know, he just gets crushed.

1276
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,200
Track 1:
Do you think they just like scrape, scoop him up off the street and they just, you know, recite, yeah.

1277
01:16:40,660 --> 01:16:44,340
Track 3:
Nobody's scraping. One of those robots is coming out. We saw it at the beginning of the movie.

1278
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:44,720
Track 1:
Yeah, robot.

1279
01:16:46,380 --> 01:16:50,600
Track 2:
Do you think that in this world, they would be like, this guy got crushed by

1280
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,080
Track 2:
a gate. He gets the dignity of a decent burial.

1281
01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:59,840
Track 4:
He doesn't have passed some law on his behalf, named after him,

1282
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:04,580
Track 4:
to put in a censor to prevent this from happening in the future.

1283
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,280
Track 4:
Is this the kind of universe that gives that vibe to you?

1284
01:17:08,820 --> 01:17:12,500
Track 2:
No. They're scraping them off the ground. They're like, you know what?

1285
01:17:12,860 --> 01:17:14,280
Track 2:
They're power washing them.

1286
01:17:14,380 --> 01:17:14,460
Track 4:
All right?

1287
01:17:14,460 --> 01:17:17,940
Track 2:
They got some chunks in there. You know what? That's good. That's fiber. That's good form.

1288
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:18,760
Track 3:
That's a stew, baby.

1289
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:19,640
Track 2:
That's good form.

1290
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,060
Track 4:
Actually, they can't power wash. They got to recycle that.

1291
01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:23,360
Track 2:
Yeah. They should be appreciative.

1292
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:24,880
Track 1:
That might be the best meal they got all week.

1293
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,160
Track 2:
They should be happy they're getting extra texture.

1294
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,360
Track 3:
Extra protein, guys.

1295
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:31,620
Track 4:
That's fresh protein.

1296
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,520
Track 3:
That's like at least eight grams. Yeah.

1297
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,580
Track 2:
You know what's in that cheap concrete? That cheap concrete's probably at least

1298
01:17:38,580 --> 01:17:41,080
Track 2:
mostly flour. So, you know, scraping them up.

1299
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:42,120
Track 4:
That's at least like,

1300
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,760
Track 4:
pretty natural like it's thick it's actually a.

1301
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,460
Track 3:
Microplastics aside compared.

1302
01:17:48,460 --> 01:17:52,960
Track 4:
To like the rest of the things that are grown in vats in mega city one.

1303
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:58,900
Track 3:
Quite frankly he probably had the most peaceful humane death in the film like

1304
01:17:58,900 --> 01:18:05,000
Track 3:
instantly smashed by like a hundred thousand pound steel plate coming down like

1305
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:09,560
Track 3:
we saw people getting shot through the cheeks bleeding out in slow motion and

1306
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,640
Track 3:
this guy didn't even know. He was just sitting in this boom, gone.

1307
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,200
Track 3:
Him and the guy at the beginning who got run over on the freeway.

1308
01:18:15,420 --> 01:18:18,780
Track 3:
Those guys had the most peaceful, painless deaths in the whole film.

1309
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:19,420
Track 2:
Good for...

1310
01:18:20,610 --> 01:18:21,790
Track 3:
That's how I want to go.

1311
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:25,730
Track 4:
Big old door.

1312
01:18:25,930 --> 01:18:26,810
Track 3:
This is going to sound terrible.

1313
01:18:27,390 --> 01:18:27,990
Track 2:
Big old door.

1314
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:32,210
Track 4:
Big old door just thinks me out. I like it.

1315
01:18:33,230 --> 01:18:36,050
Track 3:
When I worked at, I'm just going to say it, I don't give a fuck.

1316
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:37,850
Track 3:
I worked at Best Buy for like seven years.

1317
01:18:37,930 --> 01:18:40,450
Track 3:
I worked at a bunch of stores and there was one store that I worked at that

1318
01:18:40,450 --> 01:18:42,110
Track 3:
had so many fucking leaks.

1319
01:18:43,310 --> 01:18:47,310
Track 3:
And like purplish orange goo would come out of the ceilings every time it rained.

1320
01:18:47,310 --> 01:18:51,770
Track 3:
And I used to joke that the best thing that could ever happen to me was that

1321
01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:55,190
Track 3:
ceiling would collapse and turn me into jelly.

1322
01:18:55,530 --> 01:18:58,750
Track 3:
So my wife would get a settlement.

1323
01:18:59,030 --> 01:19:01,690
Track 3:
I joked about it all the time. I was like, if I die at work,

1324
01:19:01,850 --> 01:19:03,590
Track 3:
my life insurance pays out twice.

1325
01:19:04,090 --> 01:19:07,190
Track 3:
I would joke and people were like, that's a horrible thing to see.

1326
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:10,690
Track 3:
I'm like, at the time I was like 27, I was still younger.

1327
01:19:10,810 --> 01:19:13,990
Track 3:
And I'd be like, my wife is in her 20s. She's hot.

1328
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:16,910
Track 3:
She can find somebody better than me. and she's getting

1329
01:19:16,910 --> 01:19:19,670
Track 3:
out a payday like that's the best i still to

1330
01:19:19,670 --> 01:19:22,370
Track 3:
this day because you know i have you know moved up in the world a little

1331
01:19:22,370 --> 01:19:28,230
Track 3:
bit like i do have insurance stuff like if i die my wife can buy a house and

1332
01:19:28,230 --> 01:19:32,330
Track 3:
i want that for her like the best thing that could happen to my wife is me dying

1333
01:19:32,330 --> 01:19:36,330
Track 3:
in this capitalistic society because that's the only way she gets to own property

1334
01:19:36,330 --> 01:19:40,730
Track 3:
is if i fucking die i if you can hear that baby i love you i.

1335
01:19:40,730 --> 01:19:41,050
Track 2:
Can't.

1336
01:19:41,050 --> 01:19:43,050
Track 1:
Isn't it it's great.

1337
01:19:43,050 --> 01:19:48,930
Track 2:
Here right guys can't disagree i don't know if i i yeah yeah i can't.

1338
01:19:48,930 --> 01:19:55,930
Track 3:
What a great way to end the podcast talking about me dying the old door to survive capitalism big.

1339
01:19:55,930 --> 01:20:01,030
Track 1:
Old door preferred at least you would go out having done a podcast on dread.

1340
01:20:01,030 --> 01:20:07,510
Track 3:
This would be the third time i've covered this movie on a podcast my question.

1341
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:14,830
Track 2:
Before we wrap though is evan has your opinion on this movie improved after this?

1342
01:20:15,210 --> 01:20:16,110
Track 1:
It has.

1343
01:20:16,710 --> 01:20:19,230
Track 3:
After talking about it, you didn't like it as much before?

1344
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:25,710
Track 1:
I wouldn't say I didn't like it. I felt like I was a little bit maybe expecting it to be better.

1345
01:20:26,030 --> 01:20:28,230
Track 1:
But after talking about it more, I like thinking about it. There are no plot holes.

1346
01:20:29,530 --> 01:20:30,050
Track 3:
No plot holes.

1347
01:20:30,050 --> 01:20:30,690
Track 4:
No plot holes.

1348
01:20:30,890 --> 01:20:32,290
Track 2:
I don't know what else you could ask for.

1349
01:20:34,670 --> 01:20:37,290
Track 1:
It's sick action, good.

1350
01:20:37,290 --> 01:20:39,890
Track 4:
Solid writing, feminist.

1351
01:20:40,590 --> 01:20:45,750
Track 1:
Yeah. A Bechtel test 2000s action movie is a rare.

1352
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:47,050
Track 2:
More cops die.

1353
01:20:47,330 --> 01:20:47,610
Track 4:
Yeah.

1354
01:20:47,890 --> 01:20:48,750
Track 1:
That is the best part.

1355
01:20:48,890 --> 01:20:49,490
Track 4:
Pretty sick.

1356
01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:50,390
Track 3:
On screen.

1357
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:51,390
Track 2:
Yeah.

1358
01:20:51,690 --> 01:20:53,750
Track 1:
That's true. They don't hide it, do they?

1359
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:56,110
Track 2:
And a fifth one at least gets shot.

1360
01:20:56,530 --> 01:20:59,970
Track 4:
None. One gets his fucking throat collapsed. It's awesome.

1361
01:21:00,350 --> 01:21:04,590
Track 1:
When the dude shoots his gun and it like explodes is probably the coolest thing that happens.

1362
01:21:04,770 --> 01:21:08,550
Track 3:
Oh, that scene. I meant to bring that up because you mentioned like,

1363
01:21:08,610 --> 01:21:10,570
Track 3:
can she manipulate people with her psychic power?

1364
01:21:10,730 --> 01:21:14,530
Track 3:
She tried to stop him. Like, dude, that's going to blow up in your fucking face.

1365
01:21:14,530 --> 01:21:18,290
Track 3:
like she said like she warned him like she tried to get him to not do it and

1366
01:21:18,290 --> 01:21:19,170
Track 3:
he's just like now fuck it.

1367
01:21:19,170 --> 01:21:22,970
Track 2:
I don't think that was any kind of psychicness that was just literally straight

1368
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:24,770
Track 2:
up like that's a dumb idea.

1369
01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:30,250
Track 3:
I'd like to think like her face yeah because.

1370
01:21:30,250 --> 01:21:33,950
Track 4:
Like he because he was like oh you got any last words bitch.

1371
01:21:33,950 --> 01:21:38,830
Track 3:
Her face made me think that she was trying to send the message to no.

1372
01:21:38,830 --> 01:21:43,790
Track 4:
I don't think so i think it was her remembering in that moment like like oh

1373
01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:45,550
Track 4:
because he asked her You got any last words, bitch?

1374
01:21:45,770 --> 01:21:50,790
Track 4:
And she's like, oh, yeah, that fucking gun won't work for this asshole. You know what?

1375
01:21:51,290 --> 01:21:55,950
Track 4:
I was going to ask you the same shit, bitch. Like talking shit back.

1376
01:21:56,130 --> 01:21:57,890
Track 4:
Yeah, I don't think she was trying to warn him at all.

1377
01:21:58,350 --> 01:22:00,370
Track 2:
I don't. She definitely about that.

1378
01:22:00,410 --> 01:22:03,290
Track 4:
That's why she was so quick to get up and kick him in the fucking head.

1379
01:22:03,370 --> 01:22:05,910
Track 2:
Yeah. His hand blows up that she kicks him in the head.

1380
01:22:06,810 --> 01:22:10,430
Track 4:
Yeah. And she didn't like give it a good pause. She wasn't like shocked.

1381
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She wasn't surprised like, oh, no, my mind trick didn't work.

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Of course she wasn't going to be shocked. She knew it was going to happen.

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But, like, if she was trying to do a Jedi mind trick kind of thing.

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Yeah, maybe I was reading. Like, I noticed a little bit more of her psychic

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powers this time around. So, maybe that was just me reading into it a little bit more.

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That could just be me trying to find something different on this view.

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I appreciated how little psychic stuff that there was for how much that there

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could have fucking been easily.

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The fact of the matter is, like, it is made clear, like, that even in the movie,

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like, that psychics exist.

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but they're not like they're psychics are not fucking they're not professor

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exodus like they're not yeah she's like she's the.

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Most powerful they found.

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She can basically get in people's heads she's not you know yeah she's not puppeting

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people she's not mind controlling them she can read minds that's basically it.

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But to be fair she didn't go to the xavier institute for gifted.

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Children well because they don't know the limit of her power they shut that

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down in this because Because they cut all the funding to schools.

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01:23:17,550 --> 01:23:19,690
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Well, the fascists want to control the mutants.

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Yeah.

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And then it got nuked like 17 times over.

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They actually mostly want them dead.

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Yeah. It's surprising that she's alive right now.

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She's one of the good ones. That's what they're saying.

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She's one of the useful ones.

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Yeah.

1407
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:41,250
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Exactly. That's the thing is she's useful. It's even stated in it earlier.

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It's like, oh, we can use her as a tool.

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That's all they care about.

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Awesome. Well, Mike, thank you for coming on.

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Track 3:
Thanks for having me. To talk about Dread.

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01:23:49,730 --> 01:23:51,890
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Of course. And you can...

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Track 4:
Oh, so good.

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01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:57,430
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I'm glad that I did see it. It was, you know, sometimes I have this weird thing

1415
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about remakes. Yeah, but I don't consider this a remake.

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Thanks for recommending it because it also got Evan to watch The Raid.

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My other podcast was Remake Rewind. That's all we did was remakes and reboots.

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01:24:07,770 --> 01:24:09,050
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We'd watch both of them back to back.

1419
01:24:10,230 --> 01:24:13,110
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I'm the complete opposite. Like, I like doing that, but, you know,

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that's just me. Sorry, I cut you off, Ward.

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Track 1:
No, no, I mean, it's sort of like, it's one of those things where usually remakes

1422
01:24:20,690 --> 01:24:23,090
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aren't as good. So I'm sort of like, I don't know.

1423
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True grit begs to differ.

1424
01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:26,130
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Yeah. Or the thing.

1425
01:24:26,410 --> 01:24:28,810
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Oh, the thing. That's my Christmas morning movie.

1426
01:24:29,950 --> 01:24:34,810
Track 2:
Amazing movie. It was just featured on, um, actually last night.

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Track 1:
Well, uh, you can, uh, come on. Well, you can listen to let the projector wherever

1428
01:24:39,310 --> 01:24:43,510
Track 1:
you get your podcast. And then you can check out your podcast in the near future.

1429
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:49,550
Track 1:
And you said June. So look for that. And I'll put the link to it in the, uh, description.

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and Bill Ward. We'll catch you all next time.

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Have a good one.

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Have a good one.