That is truly success. That is winning when

we say we're we're passing we we we say, live

intentionally, maximize relationships, and pass the

torch. Right? Most of us live haphazardly, not

intentionally. Most of us marginalize relationships or manage

relationships, we don't maximize them. What's it look like to show up every day to

maximize? And what's it look like not to drop the torch, but to pass

the torch to the next generation? That's winning.

That's success.

What does it take to be resilient and transform potential

into purposeful action? Join us as we explore this question

and others with Dan Britten and Jimmy Page, leaders who channel

their faith and expertise into empowering others.

Dan, a former professional athlete and seasoned leader with the Fellowship of

Christian Athletes, has influenced countless lives across the

globe. Jimmy, a wellness expert and founder of the

Unstoppable Freedom Alliance, is dedicated to unlocking

human potential. Together, they've offered the just released

Daily Wisdom for Men, offering powerful insights to help

men live with resilience and

purpose. Dan and Jimmy, welcome to SeatGo Create.

It's good to be here. Oh, glad to be here, buddy. Let's go.

Yeah. Let's go. We're gonna have some fun here. My first question,

Dan, I'm gonna jump to you on this. Both of you get to answer

it. You get to choose. Would you rather answer the

question who you are or what you

do? Pick it and go ahead and answer it.

I think I would choose the who or what.

So Alright. I would Go ahead and answer it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

quickly, I would say that I am first a

lover of Jesus, saved by grace. That's who I

am for my entire most of my life, age 8, except to

Christ with my mom, then sold out for Jesus

most of my life and called into ministry. So

who I am, I'm I'm a minister, a sports minister, a

sports coach, a leadership coach, an international

trainer. My husband, I'm a father of

3 married kids. I'm a grandfather of 2 amazing grandchildren. That's

who I am. And I'm an athlete that loves,

running. I run every day. I'm addicted to running. Run marathons, Boston

Marathon. Love fishing, disc golf.

And I'm also the who I am. I'm the Ukraine

national lacrosse coach for a war torn

country, but, here I am as the, lacrosse coach of the

national teams. That's who I am. Excellent. Thank

you. Alright, Jimmy. We're gonna lob it over to you here. What you

do or who are you? Which question do you choose and go ahead and answer

it? Yeah. Great question. It's all about who. Right? Who before you

do? And, so I would say, you know, I'm a man of god. I'm

I'm a a husband of 32 years to my college

sweetheart, Ivelisse. We've had a great marriage, and we've had a

a lot of ups and downs and challenges along the way that have refined us.

We've got 4 adult kids. We've been empty nesters for a while, which is

a little weird, and our daughter is home now for her last semester of

college. She's doing it remote. She'll be graduating from Liberty University,

but so all of a sudden, we've got more life in the home, so we're

all excited about that. You know, I've been in

leadership, culture, and human performance for

a long, long time. So I'm somebody that, you know, really is

committed to inspiring you and others to

live the unstoppable life, unleashing supernatural

purpose, passion, and power. So

that's kinda what I do as well. But, first and foremost, a man

of god trying to live a life of fruitfulness and faithfulness.

So the cool thing is I was doing a little bit of background research,

etcetera. I was going, alright. This is gonna be a fun conversation, but

there's a lot of stuff out there where y'all have gone over your backgrounds and

stuff like that. We may provide links for people

to kinda go check that out. I don't think we're gonna dive into that here.

You guys, a while back, wrote a book called One

Word, basically is coming up with a word for the year that kinda

drives you in so many ways. As I was doing this

this morning, I was spending some quiet time actually reading

today's, item from your book that we're gonna talk about a

little bit later. The word resilience came to mind, and I said, you

know what? I think resilience is our

theme or our word for this episode. I know y'all guys do

podcasts and all too, but, Jimmy, when I bring up that having a

one word or theme for this episode, what does that

stir inside you? What what goes through your mind? Well, I love it. I mean,

it's kind of consistent with the whole concept of that focus

drives impact. Focus drives performance. You know?

It's when we're distracted by many things that we become ineffective. So

even just the idea that we've got a theme for the show, that's I love

that, man. Let's go. So now we've got rails. That's gonna make us

super effective, I think. But, you know, the word word resilience

is really a game changer for most people. It's it's something actually

that is in big need in our culture right now.

We've got we've got a lack of grit, a lack of resilience. And

resilience is this idea that you can bounce back

from really hard things, that you can go through hard things, that you can go

through challenges and obstacles and all that, but you're able to bounce

back. And I think of resilience as one step, kind

of above grit. Grit's good. Grit gets you through it. But resilience

is this idea that you can be better after you go through

it. That it's not just surviving. It's a matter of

thriving. And when you come out the other side, you've learned some things. You've

maybe expanded your capacity in some way, and you're a different

person than when you entered into that challenge. Right. Yeah.

That's good. Dan, why don't you do, for my sake in the audience,

why don't you give a a little bit of a I don't know if it's

a plug background or whatever on that one word book that you

guys wrote a while back. I think you wrote it with John Gordon. Right?

And and so just give a little bit on that because it's kind

of a little bit of kinda helps with the foundation for

this one word concept. Yeah. One

one word was supposed to be our very first book Jimmy and I wrote. Right,

Jimmy? Like, back way back 15 plus years ago.

And we had a publisher we pitched it to. He was all excited about it.

But then we shared this concept about wisdom walks, discipleship, mentoring,

having 4 key relationships. Believe it or not, the publisher is like,

no. We can do one word later. We wanna produce Wisdom Walks. So,

actually, it's crazy that kind of this one word theme that we

really that's vision that we really wanted to communicate that we thought was

so catalytic was our gonna be our first book, but Wisdom

Walks became our first book. Anyways, there's a string of things. We just saw

that God was using, this concept of one word.

1999, we kinda launched into the year 2000,

you know, y two k world was gonna melt, and everyone's gonna try

to figure out if we're gonna survive. And really, that was the 1st year that

I had a one word. You know, again, I had a 7 page Word document

with a lot of roles and goals and everything else. And like a dog returning

to his vomit. Right? Like, Tim, I I would do 90

10%, 90% will wait would be at the waist, but I would

go right back to it. And so not very successful with all

that. And so kind of this creating a one word for the year

2000. And even I that year was a year of intimacy. And so

I kinda scrapped the resolutions, put away the 7 page Word

document, and just laser focused in on

this word of intimacy. And man, intimacy was everywhere. It was right here, every

sermon, every song, every book. It was like my radar was up.

And that was a chapter in this my story of the year

2000. And, you know, I shared it with Jimmy, and then we shared it with

John, and then it was just catalytic. It was like everyone was like,

this is incredible. And that's when we actually said, hey, we gotta get a book

together. And the concept is literally look in,

look up, and look out. You know, look in, look up, look out. Look in,

prepare the heart. Unplug as we get ready for a new year. See

what God wants to do. Henry Nown says, a word of power is

birthed out of silence. Step away, seek silence and solitude,

and be able to prepare that. And then look up, say, hey, God, I want

not just a good word, but a God word, and receive that word, and

and be able to not really pick the word, but the word finds you.

And whatever that word is, whether it's a attribute, a characteristic, a fruit of the

spirit. But it's really about who you wanna be, not what you wanna do. You

started out with that, the who or the do, but it was not setting to

be goals. To be goals, not to do goals. And so, you know, who

do you wanna become the character? And then look in, look up, and look out

is really moving forward and actually applying your word,

implying it to every aspect, every area of your life. And that's the fun

part. Right, Jimmy? That's when we get a chance to put it front and center.

And so really that's really what is it. So here we are 250,000

books later, over a 1000000 people downloaded the YouVersion reading plan.

People from all over the world translated in in over 50

languages, the reading plan. And we're just, like, seeing God

just breathe on this in a very unique way

for the last really now, Jimmy, what, 25 years as we're

going into the year of 2025. The thing that I love

about that, Dan, and I'll I'm a let both of y'all chime in on this,

is that I think we're in a very complex world.

I work with leaders and leadership teams. I know to varying degrees, all three

of us work with leaders. And what I see

is the complexity, the chaos is just piling

on. It's one of the reasons why we're gonna come back and talk resiliency because

I think we don't know what's gonna be coming up. We need to be

resilient, and it's sort of a preparation for us. But I used to

do what you just talked about, Dan. I used to especially during the nineties, I

would have, like, this 21 page beginning of the year

document that was all of my goals, and it was, you know,

3 pages in each of 7 areas.

And, truthfully, I look back on it and I go, good gracious. I

love the this is the word that came to my mind when you were talking,

Dan, the simplicity of one word. I I

liked it so much that I went and bought the book as a gift

for my grown children. And because they're

I noticed complexity coming in their lives. You know, they're starting families or they're young

adults, and there's just so much coming at them. Let's briefly and

this is with this big theme of resilience. Let's talk

about the need for simplicity. One more thing on that. I

think I heard John you guys talk about writing this

book and that John brought a lot of

value because he kept simplifying the

message and the process. So just Mhmm. I guess the the big

word here is simplicity with the bigger word of resilience.

Jimmy, what do you wanna chime in, add, throw on

on the on the heap there related to the need for simplicity

in the world we're in today? Yeah. It's interesting. I had an opportunity this

morning to talk with business leaders down in Denver, and, the theme

of my talk was all around next level, you know, leveling up your

life. And they were all ready for some complicated, you

know, formula to make that happen, and I what I gave them was ultra

simple. Everyone to a man and to a woman afterward came up and said, thank

you for simplifying this down, not making this too complex.

And I think when John and and Dan and I wrote this book, Dan and

I would send him just pages and pages of each chapter,

sometimes 15, 20, 25 pages of content, and it would come back

as a page and a half or 2 pages. And it it was disastrous in

the end. The genius of John Gordon is taking complex things

and making them simple. I think he's rubbed off on Dan and I over many

years, this idea of not overcomplicating a simple

process. So even the 3 step process of

looking in, looking up, and looking out, that

started as a 7 step process. Now it's 3.

It's so simple. A caveman can do it. And, you know, when you

overlay this theme, this single word theme for the year,

you experience life change. Absolute life change

because you're not confused anymore about the 40 goals or the

22 pages that you have, you know, of all the things you're gonna get

done. This is really about transformation from the inside out, which

is simplifying. My first word back in 1999 for the

year 2000 was simplify, and I got rid of a lot of

complexity that year, and that stayed with me as part of my DNA. And I

think that you have to remove clutter,

distractions, and all of that in order to be resilient.

If you're overwhelmed, you're not in a state of resiliency.

You're in a state of overwhelm. So it all kind of works

together in a simple way. Yeah. I think it's almost

fragile. I mean, we've got so many plates, so much going on.

When I've got so much in my head, I like to think I've got some

capacity. I mean, I've got documents pulled up here

with about 5 books I'm working on, and I'm sitting here thinking to

myself, I really need to peel away 4 of them and then work

on using less words, especially in the age of AI and things like that where

we can just pile on the words

simplicity. Dan, what do you wanna say about simplicity? Yeah. One of

my life principles, Tim, that I've discovered from my own life, and I've

seen people around me is we we drift to

complexity, but we drive to simplicity. Right? I'll I'll put

that on my tombstone. I don't think you know, there's some people, I will admit,

I've been around some leaders and organizations, they drive to complexity. Most of

us, we wake up and go, what the heck? Who put more rocks in my

backpack? Like, more responsibility, more expectations,

our wife, our kids, our job, our

ministry, whatever it is, our church. And also we wake up and

we're like, what happened? I thought life was supposed to get easier, and I

feel more overwhelmed, more cluttered, more complicated,

more complex than I did last year. Well, that's

because we just drifted to complexity. Like

we say, any old dead fish can go with the flow, but it's a live

fish with a little wiggle upstream. So, you know, the live

fish with a little wiggle that that has driving

towards simplicity. And as you said, Tim, so well,

that the great leaders you spent time with I've had a chance to travel to

over 60 countries in the last 10 years. And when I'm with them, I don't

walk away going, oh my gosh. Boom. My my brain is blown

up of all the the the formulas of leadership and

all the details they talked about. I walk away from

the most impressive leaders like, oh, my gosh. They put the cookies on the bottom

shelf. This was so basic. They made

leadership simple. And I believe with all my

heart that we drift to

complexity. We have to drive to simplicity.

I also think I mean, this is where let's go ahead and move into a

faith conversation. I think that there's an enemy out there

that's pulling us to complexity to get us

all focused of faith. You know, I

guess continuing a little bit with this theme of resiliency and and and even

simplicity, I know both of you guys, when you talk about

who you are, faith is comes up first and foremost.

How does faith how does the component of faith play

into that, Jimmy? Well, we talk a lot about the

difference between positivity and power. Right?

And a lot of us will you know, there is a beauty of a positive

mindset, a positive affirmations, but what we've

discovered is real power comes through the word of God. It it

comes from this connection, this faith connection to the one who created you.

So, you know, God talks about abide in me. Jesus says abide in

me, and the whole idea is stay connected to Jesus, stay

grounded, because if you don't, you can't

produce a life of any meaning. You know? In fact, the

scripture says you can do nothing apart from me. Now that doesn't

mean we can't accomplish things and be successful in the world's eyes,

but we won't accomplish anything of eternal value, of

significance, of legacy stuff where you're passing on your

deepest held values and beliefs to your family, to your children, to

others around you. So for us, the the faith component is the

source of power. It's the source of simplicity.

It's the idea that I'm denying my flesh, and I'm engaged with the

holy spirit in such a way that I'm walking in power. I'm walking

with an awareness of what other people need, ways that I can bless them,

and it really does simplify things. Right? It it helps you cut out a lot

of stuff that really isn't that important and fill your life with the

things that are most meaningful. Dan, is it possible that we

can overcomplicate even that faith component in

our lives? Or it I mean, I see it

so much stuff in the realm of faith

and just like we talk about with leadership and just like we talk about

with any of these. And at times, I'm wondering, I love where you

just say we're we're to abide in and with Jesus

Christ, period. So,

Dan, what are your thoughts on that? Are are are many of us overcomplicating our

faith journey? Yeah. Let's just go back 2000 years

ago. The religious leaders were way over

complicating. And what did Jesus get criticized for? He

got criticized for stripping all the religiosity and

all the rituals away. He got cast down. He got

pushed out of the church. He got pushed out of the temple. So, yeah, I

mean, here we are for 2000 years. And so in today's age,

with all the information we have at our fingertips with our phone and

everything else, we have just heaped on

every little, hey, 3 steps here and this and that and

books. And, I mean, we we literally have spiritual constipation

if we would just wanna boil it down. If you wanna talk about overcomplicating,

we are all kind like, if we would just take even what

we have read and what we have up to this point, like a saucer. Just

cut it off and go back and go, I am not gonna learn one

new thing until I try to apply everything I've I've already

read. I just believe we're just constantly looking for the grass is

greener on the other side. We want that little nugget, that little tidbit,

that cool little saying. We're just seeking and searching, scratch and

sniff, trying to get after all these little things. And

Jesus is just like, rest in me. You know, get in

the yoke every day. Like, my yoke is easy. It's

not complicated. It's not complex.

It's easy. That was his definition of what it means

to journey with Jesus. It's it's easy. My

yoke is easy. My burden is light. I I want that

yoke. Come on. That's good. Right when

you jumped on Dan, I gave you a little tour of our

400 square foot RV motor coach that we live in. My wife and I for

6 years have been pretty much nomads. We've got very little space,

which means we have very little stuff. I can't begin to

describe how liberating it is

to have such little stuff and because that's what complicate we

got so many you know, with all these devices and stuff, and, you know, here

we are doing an hour long putting more info out into the world. A little

bit ironic there, but but, you know, hopefully, this helps some people

clear some things up. What are the things as

I was sitting here just doing a little bit of math?

This is something I want us to discuss because I I think this might be

rare in today's world. If I'm doing the math

correct, we have 3 mature

men on a call, all

that have been married 30 plus years,

and we'll let people give the specs and all here in just a second.

I think it would be valuable for us to discuss, again, with the theme

resiliency, the importance of

that long term covenant

biblical type relationship, which is the husband and wife.

And so, Jimmy, let me start with you. Why don't you

give me I think you said 32 years earlier. My wife and I are coming

up on our 37th year, and I think, Dan, you're at

least in the thirties. You can do that when we jump over to you. But

talk about the importance of that relationship

and how it ties into our theme of the show resilience.

Well, you know, I there's so so many thoughts I have on this, but I

think number 1 is your marriage relationship is gonna reveal

things about you, about your selfishness,

about your pride, about a whole bunch of things. I think God uses

your marriage to refine you more than anything else.

And I think that you know, so you learn a lot about some things in

you that need to change in order to keep a relationship like

this going for the long term. And then I think you you learn so much

about serving one another. You know? A mentor of ours has always told us to

outserve your spouse. If you can put their needs above your own

and be super intentional about that where you're actually

seeking to serve their needs above your own. That has proven to

be a formula for success. And then I was thinking

too that love is really about willing the absolute

best for someone else. That's what true love is. True love

means I want what's best for you

above all else. I you know? And I'm willing to serve, and I'm willing to

sacrifice, and I'm willing to lay down my own desires in

order to help you experience your best life in Christ,

become the person you're made to be. So I think over 32 years, you'll learn

a lot about yourself. You'll learn a lot about what it takes to make relationships

go. You'll learn a lot about how to handle conflict and how to reconcile

that in such a way that you're better on the other side, that you're resilient.

And listen, life is hard. Life is not easy. And if you

think it's easy, you haven't lived long enough. There's a lot of

challenges and obstacles that you're gonna face. And when you

have one key relationship that makes it for the

long haul, No one knows you better than that person,

and usually, that's when you stand in the corner of that

person best over the long term.

Dan, how about you? How long have you been married? 34

years. I'm between both of you. We're all in the

thirties. Yes. Well, it's kinda I I I don't know why, but it's sort

of rare to and I wanna say this, Dan, and then I wanna get your

thoughts on this. We my wife and I are down

here in Arizona. We're in a 55 and older community, and my wife and I

have had this conversation recently

about I don't I am

gosh. I wanna be sensitive in how I say this because some of these folks

listen in here. Many people on their second,

third, sometimes more marriages, they've

got the complexity of children

in different situations, maybe children that get along

with their current spouse or children that don't get along.

And our my wife and I are extremely thankful, number 1, that we've stuck

with each other. There's been times that she has absolutely, without a

doubt, stuck with me. But, anyway, I I do

think it makes it tougher the

more of these tight relationships that we have. And,

again, I don't only know how to address that, but it's been something I've been

thinking about. So, anyway, Dan, what kinda input,

advice, thoughts do you have related to

this tight relationship, especially with the theme of

resilience? Well, I I remember

in college, I I went to a, marriage

marriage, pre marriage, relationship seminar put on. I

remember the guy said, that that, love is

spelled with a c, commitment.

It's commitment. You know? And it's not a feeling. It's not an emotion.

It's it's literally love is a commitment. I I just remember that being foundational.

They're not to say that shouldn't have feelings and that type of thing, but it's

first that commitment. It's it's like, hey, divorce, not even an option.

You know, it's just it's off the table. It's not part of the language. And

just I remember in college here and there, obviously, I I had parents stayed together.

They were model examples. Never saw divorce in my in

my own family. But I just remember that being a a

stake in the ground, Tim, just that that you spell

marriage with a c, it's commitment. And it stuck with me.

And and so I dated my wife 9 years. So actually, we've been

we've been together, married 34. Well, we've been in relationship

for 43. So if you wanna talk about a long term relationship,

43 years, all the way through high school, all the way through college, 1 year

out of college, and then 34 years of marriage. They're in

any secrets. I mean, like, you know, I once heard Jim

Dobson say that the longer you're together, the more romance goes

out because there's no mystery. Like, it's just you know everything.

You've experienced everything. We don't tell each other stories because we're

we were there. We were both there. You know, like you know, she goes, Oh,

it didn't happen that way. I'm like, Yeah, it did. Anyways, like, That's not good.

But but we're talking 43 years. So again, it's that

commitment thing. Like, it's not a feeling. It's not, hey,

things have changed, new seasons. We're you know, as Jimmy said, empty nest. We're open

nest. Like, we have all of our kids out, and now we get to take

people in. You know, we get to receive people into our house, and we

just love it. We just love the fact of as a

a a a, you know, 3 married kids and now grandkids, but

we can be in a position as a couple,

after 43 years of just through the valley and through

the mountain top. Being resilience is such a good

word to describe marriage. And and I'll say this. Jimmy and I

been together for 34 years. Like, right when I got married, got out of

college, started in ministry, Jimmy and I became friends.

And I'll say this, not only is is is resilience and commitment

key to maintain a marriage, which is rare these days,

But you gotta have at least one warrior in your life. Like, I can't

tell you how many times if it's not weekly, Jimmy

I mean, we're talking like once a week. I'll call Jimmy

like, Jimmy, I the like, we just got in an argument. You

know? And you know what? Or he calls. He's like, I can't believe that

happened again. And I mean, it it it literally

diffuses, literally diffuses

processing through that that, oh my gosh. Okay. I

I'm committed. I love her. We're committed to each other.

We're gonna make this happen. We're gonna reconcile. We're gonna

we're gonna make make it through this. And I just think

that at least one like you I can't imagine

facing some stuff in my marriage and having no one outside of

my wife. Like like I don't like to have Jimmy to go to and

process and think through it. Like, even Jimmy said, we even have a guy, a

mentor of ours, this guy named Dan Webster that he

literally said during one of our weekly calls, one of our coaching mentoring

calls, he was, I never let my wife out serve me. Dude,

that, like, that stuck to me. And and that has motivated

me, just that one line that Dan said to us, that Jimmy

said earlier, that has just spurred me on. And I'm not saying

to my wife, hey, by the way, my my mentor told me no one's gonna

outserve me. I'm just trying to live it, trying to do it,

and I just praise God for that. Jimmy, I

believe that I heard somewhere that you and your wife had

to go through and listen, all of us have gone through difficult situations,

but there was a cancer situation that she had to deal with.

And what were some of the things that

y'all did leading up to that that made

you resilient through that specific

situation? Yeah. Yeah. It's great.

Well, I think the interesting thing is my word for the year back in

2008 when Evolise was diagnosed with cancer was

love, and I thought I was doing great. You know, I had the

year of love. I was intentional. You know, I was thinking of what Dan said.

Love love absolutely is a commitment, but there's no question. If you don't have

the feelings associated with it, the intimacy, you're in big trouble. There's

no question. And you have to be super intentional

about maintaining the emotional connection and about

clearing damage out so that you still love and admire and

cherish somebody. At that time, Tim, we were in the

throes of 4 kids on 4 different fields

every day. The complexity of our lives in

those moments was incredible. All the kids were 13 and under, so we we had

our hands full. But my word for the year was love, and what I didn't

realize, I thought I was doing great. I was more intentional. But when she was

diagnosed with cancer, and you're really faced with very, very

bad odds of survival, very bad, single digit

odds of surviving 2 years, it woke me up in a way of,

like, wow. You know? I can't remember the last time we made eye contact. I

can't remember the last time that I held your hand and we went for a

walk. And it really shook me up actually, and and it changed my

behavior right away right away because I was gonna cherish those

moments regardless of whether it was 1 year or 2 years or or

22 years. And here we sit, you know, 15 years later,

having navigated that, she's been cancer free for most of that. This past

year, she had another early diagnosed bat battle with

with ovarian cancer. So that's all taken care of. She's

completely healthy, and it's amazing. But I think I think,

you know, hardship is gonna do one of 2 things.

You're either it's either gonna drive you apart. It's gonna be a separator.

It's gonna it's gonna tear down whatever you have, whatever that

relationship is, or it's gonna bring you together.

And so for us, it was a coming together. You know, it was a

coming together. It was realizing, boy, whatever time we have left is a gift, and

we're gonna take advantage of it. And to be honest, you know, it's been 15

years. The normality of life comes back. You

get through these challenging times, and a lot of times you forget

about the most important things again, and you have to be reminded of

it again and again. So I would say, you know, in our particular case, that

adversity brought us together. It forged some things in our

marriage, in our relationship that I'm so grateful for. It forged a

bunch of things for both of us as parents and in our relationship with

our kids. Our kids' lives are gonna be marked by those

seasons, And they're gonna have a confidence in our family, a confidence in

God, and what he's capable of doing. And, I would say all of those

things go into forging that relationship in a way

that it makes it stronger in the long haul. Yeah. That's

good. Dan, I wanted to follow-up with you, but I wanna preface this

with a bit of context. We are

all in the leadership space, and in our audience,

it would probably call themselves in the leadership space and also

layer in faith with it and the business and ministry and things like

that. One of the things that we continually see

that is disappointing are people that we would put in

leadership positions that have

situations where they don't hold that marriage

relationship strong. And a lot of

times, it happens when maybe there's wedges or

adversity that's come in as Jimmy brought up. But one of the things

I've noticed is when there are I hate to use the

word temptations because I don't even think that captures it, but, you

know, I know that you with FCA have gotten on an

airplane and flown a lot of places all over the world. You've stood up in

front of groups. And just just to give context for

those people listening to audio, we might be

mature, these 3 men here, but we are a good looking,

mature 3 dudes here. Not that

that makes this a better or worse conversation here,

but there's always opportunity for weakness, for

temptation, and things like that. Dan,

if how do we stay strong?

How do we not put out the vibes

that, you know, I'm open or closed

for business when you're on airplanes, when you're up in front of groups, when

you're around college age people like you have? And I may get

some input from Jimmy on this too because I think this is a very

important topic, so and you could go any

direction you want to with this. I just wanted to kind of preface, how do

we stay strong? Tim, I would say by the grace of

God, there goes I. Right? I mean, we've heard that. I I think

we're all wearing the t shirts. You know, we see men of God that we

think are, like, way above us, and they're crashing and

burning. So by the grace of God, you know, there goes I. Like,

just thank you, Lord, every day for the grace. You know, the grace is

for the is for the broken and the hurt and and and for the

ones that are just willing to submit and say, Lord, I'm all yours and be

a living sacrifice. You know, Tim, I think,

think, you know, it it's a

constant thing that leaders are being taken down,

and they are getting crushed every step of the

way. And, you know, I remember

that my pastor, the church I grew up in, 9 years,

he was my pastor. I'm in ministry today because of him.

He baptized me. He baptized my wife, baptized my whole

family, married us, did our marriage counseling.

And a year after he married us, he went off with his secretary.

You know? And I'm like I looked at Don, and I'm like,

if he if he can't do it, we can't do it. Like, there's

no way. We have no hope. Like, 0. Like, 0.

So my mom's like, oh, we got a great Christian counselor. Go to him. So

we went to go see Omar. We went to him for a year year and

a half. And really felt like God gave us some language, some terminologies.

First time we're in counseling, processing through some of her

background for the broken family and some of my background.

Found out later he ran off with a client.

I'm like, maybe it's us. Maybe it's Yeah. Like, what

the heck is going on? I like, the Christian

counselor that that that's in it full time, our our pastor of a

megachurch in the DC area. Anyways, I I just

think at that point, Tim, we realize

we had to have brutal honesty. So again, my wife and I, we fight like

cats and dogs. We put everything on the table. You know, we don't bury

nothing. No, I wish sometimes we buried stuff. Every once in a while, I'm

like, Hun, can we just put that under the table? But, you know, I you

know, just like we come together and we deal with it. We close the

gap. We punch awkward in the face. Whatever phrase you wanna say,

we deal with the crap on the table.

And I don't like that all the time. Like, I I just sometimes

wish I'd just put my head in the sand and don't deal with it.

But but we it's always on the table. We're always dealing with it. It's

always fresh. And we're, you know, obviously

again, like I said with with even with Jimmy, like, I I would

I I I've shared so much confess to Jimmy,

like, I thought this or, hey, I was here or like,

if I'm in the airport, I'm going, I'm gonna have to tell Jimmy about this.

You know, like like, that's gonna be a reality. And we have

shared and confided of and praise God, we we God has

protected us. God has spared us. God has extended his

grace upon us. But that doesn't mean that that we we've

gotten really close and and and something happened. And then

guess what though? Instead of bearing it, I'm sharing it with

Jimmy. I'm putting it on the table as my warrior, my accountability

partner, and asking the tough questions and knowing I'm gonna be accountable to

him when I come back from the trip. And so I I just

think, Tim, you know, what I saw within my own life early

on, I saw, you know, the idea like,

you know, hey, it's by the grace of God, there goes I. You gotta have

another warrior in your life to be able to, you know, confide in and be

able to share with. But also just that we're putting stuff on the table.

We we are literally closing the gap daily. Like,

daily. And not letting the sun go down on our ankle

or our issues. So that's what I would say. Yeah. That's good.

Jimmy, any practices, habits, or anything that you

wanna add to that that's helpful? Yeah. I was just thinking, man, You

know, Evolisa and I made decisions very, very early in our marriage, I would say

from day 1. We had very specific, guardrails

in our lives, very specific decisions that we made that would help us

to avoid situations. Because, really, most sin is just

a sin of opportunity. You know? An opportunity presents you when your

guard is down. Maybe you're tired, you're hungry, you're whatever.

And if you haven't made the decision in advance about how you're

gonna handle a situation, you're you're probably in

trouble. So we made decisions early on. We were people made fun of

us. Like, oh, you won't ride in a car 1 on 1 with a

woman? No. I won't. So we would literally go from

where my workplace to a meeting in separate cars, and people were

like, are you okay? And I'm like, yeah. I actually wanna keep it that way.

I've made certain commitments to my wife, and she's made certain commitments to

me so that we know we have certainty of trust, And, you

know, human beings need certainty, and especially in relationships. So we

set these guardrails. And I would say another thing that really trips up men

probably much more than women is alcohol. And, you know, every

single drink of alcohol that you make, especially in a an anonymous

situation when you're on the road, lowers your resistance

to making good decisions. You will increasingly every single

drink is gonna lead to a decision that you're probably not so proud of.

So I talk about, you know, hey. Listen. Yeah. It doesn't mean you never drink

alcohol, but I think you certainly should reevaluate when you drink alcohol and if

it's putting you in a compromising situation. Lots of people make

very, very bad decisions when they're under the influence of alcohol.

So we set very specific guidelines. It's the Billy Graham rule. Tim,

it's the Billy Graham rule. Billy Graham never traveled alone. Why?

Because he needed someone there to protect him against attacks of the enemy. And you

know what? His marriage lasted with purity. Today, I would love

it if our pastors would make that rule. They have the same rule.

And they should set up these these guardrails that are really healthy because

you know this. God establishes guardrails not to,

not to restrict us and take the joy out of life, but the very

opposite to give us freedom to protect us from

stupid decisions. And within those boundaries, you have

absolute incredible freedom, and that's where you experience

life. A life where you're not weighed down by the regrets and mistakes of the

past. It's not perfect, but it sure does help. Yeah. I think

that's good. I I I just had something pop into my head. More alcoholic was

less resiliency, by the way. And and, again, I I

enjoy a sip of whiskey and all every once in a while, but it's with

my wife. I actually had a business trip recently. I was gone close to a

week, and there are times that with the client, we'll have a sip of

something. We actually decided, both of us, no alcohol during the

entire trip. I had my energy level, decision making.

Yes. You know, I'm 61. I'm kinda watching that energy level now,

making sure I've got what I need to bring to the table with the people

I interact with. So I do believe that's powerful. We could

probably do a full seminar on just this topic. Yes. I

wanna move on, though, because I wanna get to some daily habits,

especially specifically wisdom for men with the book. But

one other item that to me is fascinating as I was

kinda just learning more about you 2 was the thing that I think Dan just

brought up. Maybe both of y'all brought it up. And that's the fact that I

think y'all's relationship goes back, you know, to 1990.

And I do think that's rare in the world we're in today that

that people, much less men, have relationship. And,

Dan, I guess, talk more about it. I mean, is it is it a

friendship? Is there a covenant there? Is it a partnership? I mean,

y'all have written 9 plus books together.

You've written this journal, you know, this devotional together.

Talk about how you define it, but give me more

info on this relationship between you and Jimmy, Dan.

It is unfortunately, right, Tim, should be normal

in in in the church. You know? But it's rare. I

mean, I I feel we we and by the way, we we thank the

Lord almost daily that God has allowed us. And we don't

take it for granted. That's that's for sure. But, you

know, Jim, I I just come on staff with FCA

in 1990. Virginia Tech, he was a

grad student down there and was a part of leadership, and they invited you

know, I was playing pro lacrosse at the time. And they invited me to come

down and and speak and, you know, they had a big group and

spoke. And I'd never met Jimmy, and he beelined after for me. And he's like,

I'm moving to Northern Virginia. I got a job,

job we need to connect, and met his girlfriend at the time. It became his

wife, Ivelisse. And, anyways, it just was it

was awesome. Like so then he came to Northern Virginia, and then we connected. And

and then I had 2 buddies that I met separately that one

was in from college, John Patton, and the other one was Scott Steiner that met

at a NFL, fundraiser.

And they needed to be roommates, so the 3 of them came together. I

got married, and we were getting together for accountability

every Friday morning, Tim. And and we would spend 2

hours, the 4 of us, you know, John, Jimmy, Scott, and Dan,

would spend 2 hours. We probably drank, what, Jimmy, 3 or 4

pots of coffee, Probably a pot of coffee each. We weren't sure if we were

high on coffee or high on the Holy Spirit. It was one of those 2.

Might have a combination, but it was powerful. Like, we confessed

sin, we had tears, we prayed over.

Little legalistic. If you didn't read your Bible, you had to put $5 in the

jug. If you said something wrong, put $5 in the jug. If you looked at

something wrong, put $5. So there's a lot of money in the jug because we

were young and and right out of the gate. But, really, we we created a

name, Tim. We said the 4 horsemen. We have a text group, and and Jimmy.

Right? Yesterday, we probably texted each other 20, 30 times yesterday, the

4 of us. Here we are, 34 years later, we're all over the

US, not in a a city. We come together for

the 4 horsemen retreat. And, you know, Jimmy

and I obviously have written 9 books together. We wanna write 30 together.

We have this vision of doing life together in that way. You know, I just

went through I transitioned out of FCA in August after

34 years, and it was a very difficult time that that

it was hard to release, but it was good. God was opening the door. God

was closing the door. And, man, it just was hard with 3 months

sabbatical during the summer. And guess what? I talked to Jimmy

every day, probably once or twice, maybe three times, to

to get through that time so my heart was right, my mind was

clear, and I could process things. And and you know what? Jimmy was

Jimmy was my horseman. Jimmy was my warrior. 34

years. Now it's not perfect. We get upset. We hang up on each other.

We, you know, sometimes call each other out on things. But but that

is a 3 AM friend. Someone that you could call at

3 AM, Jimmy's gonna get in the car, drive from Colorado,

and Mhmm. Rescue me or or kidnap

me, pull me out of something. And and that's the beauty of it. It's not

just like, would he be in the trenches with you? I'm like, I'm like, no.

I got other guys to be in the trenches. Like, this is different. This is

completely different. And that's what God has put together,

not only with with Jimmy, but also we have 2 other guys, John and Scott.

But amazing to journey together. You know, we say iron

sharpens iron. Right? I believe wisdom

sharpens, foolishness dulls. And, unfortunately,

I think a lot of times, I see men, and they're like, they're

not sharpening each other. They're dulling each other. They're lowering the

ball bar. They're not leveling up as Jimmy said earlier. That's what wisdom

does. Wisdom always levels up. Foolishness always dulls

and levels down. And that's what we have with the 4 horsemen.

Jimmy, you wanna add anything to that? Yeah. I was just thinking in the early

days, it was really more about accountability, you know, as

young men. And I think I I don't think that lasts very long, to be

honest with you, because then it just becomes a game of gotcha, and then guys

end up hiding stuff. And it's a whole bunch of nonsense. And that's why I

think actually accountability groups are not working very well if you look at

the polls from Gallup. But what does work is when you have a positive

vision for your life and you share it with these group of

warriors. It it really is about driving towards the future that

you want rather than avoiding the sin. I mean, good grief.

Really? That's my whole life's gonna be about avoiding sin? Nonsense.

God has has promised us when we follow Christ, when we abide in him, he

promised us abundant life, an abundant life of freedom.

So when you when you create that vision that you want for your marriage and

you start moving in that direction, you start having some success.

But if you share that with your brothers, like Dan and John and

Scott for me, all of a sudden, they're they're kinda fanning the flames

so that you do achieve the vision that you set for yourself

with your personal health, with with your impact at in

work, with your energy levels, like you talked about, Tim,

energy. I I talked for 15 minutes this morning about energy

and how it impacts everything else. Taking care of your soul,

and, okay, what is the vision that I have for my life? So I would

just say that that's much more important. When I moved from the

East Coast to Colorado several years ago, we went from

a community where we were known and we knew people. We knew

everybody and we were known. We came to a town where we knew no one

and no one knew us. And the danger of that and that's why these

warrior relationships are so important. The danger of anonymity

of being in a a town where you're not known and where there's no

expectation about your behavior is you kinda feel like you can

do anything you want. And that's when you fall into patterns that are

destructive. When you have these men in your life, if they

have those 3 or 4 sisters in their life that are helping them

advance toward their best life in Christ, that's where it really

makes the biggest difference. Mhmm. I

I really like that because I do agree accountability, sometimes even just what

we'll call a bible study group. Yep. You know, you hate to say

this as somebody's probably gonna be critical. They don't have that

strength, that that cord,

that resilience to kinda tie in with our theme Yeah.

That one needs. So Yeah. I I'm very

impressed with that. Yeah. You know, guys, one of the

themes that we started this show on now going

on 5 plus years ago, almost 300 episodes,

is that culture

we don't define success in the way that culture

does. We need to redefine what success is. And I

was reading in in the daily wisdom this morning. It wasn't

the one for today, but there was something about legacy. And there was

a couple of things related to that in the I was scanning a few of

these. Dan, I'm a throw it to you first because this is

kind of the big question we like to ask here on the show, and then

we got a couple things we wanna talk about in the book.

How should we be defining success? We've talked about faith. We've talked about resilience.

We've talked about relationships. Either how do you or how

should we be defining success at this stage

of of where we're at? Great. Great question. How do you

define success, and how do you know if you're if you're winning? Right?

As the editors and sports minded people, like, we wanna win. Right?

Pickleball, you said you love pickleball. You know, I love pickleball, but I

wanna win. You know, it's it's still still a competition.

You know, Tim, you know, Jim and I wrote a a a book called,

obviously, One Word we talked about, but we also wrote a book called Lifeword.

And Lifeword, is about legacy. One word is

about life transformation.

Lifeword is is is really the title of your

book, and in one word is the chapters of each of the

years. So we're finishing up chapter 2024,

which will close, and that story is gonna be done here in the next,

several, days. In 25, we open a new chapter.

Right? And that'd be a new chapter in in the book. And I

believe, Tim, that that, winning

success is defined by legacy. And

legacy isn't defined we would Jimmy and I like to

define legacy not of what you leave behind. I left behind a building, it

has a name on it. Hey, I left behind money for my kids.

Left behind a business. It's it's like, oh, what we left behind.

It's actually a little bit different. It's what we left behind what we leave behind

that lives on in others. And and I

believe, we believe that it's it's wisdom in

life transformation fused into relationships that lives on

beyond us. In her book, Wisdom Walks, we we talk about,

which we we love. It's a old it's our old very first book. But wisdom

walks, it says true fruit grows on other people's

tree. That's legacy. It's not about like, hey, look at all the

fruit I'm doing. Like people go, oh, I want to be a fruit expert. Let's

see if you're producing any fruit. Well, I hope if you're a body in Christ

that you have fruit to show. Like, holy cow. What are you doing? What kind

of man of God are you if you don't have any fruit to show? K?

Mhmm. Like, check. Like like, yeah, I'm showing fruit daily, not the end of my

life, like now. Okay. Well, what else? Well, I

want fruit to show up on other people's tree. I'm having that kind of

impact and that kind of influence of legacy that it's

what lives on in others. My dad passed away in 2008. And

guess what? His legacy's living on in me. The best way

to honor him isn't to moan and complain, soak

and sour, but but to literally live every day the way my

dad will want me. Well, that's legacy. His DNA, his

life transformation is living in me every day. So I believe,

Tim, that that that is truly success.

That is winning when we say we're we're passing we

we we say live intentionally, maximize relationships,

and pass the torch. Right? Most of us live haphazardly,

not intentionally. Most of us marginalize relationships or manage

relationships, we don't maximize them. What does it look like show up every day to

maximize? And what's it look like not to drop the torch, but to

pass the torch to the next generation? That's winning

that success. How do you define success, Jimmy? Oh my

gosh. This is so great because I think the older I get, the more I

realize it's not about me. Even the concept

of legacy is tends to be self centered.

It's actually a little disgusting if you really think about it.

What's my legacy gonna be? Wow. Really? I'm not sure that's

anywhere in the Bible. I think the key to this, and I love what Dan

said, it's what lives on in others. For me,

success is all about living in such a way and loving

others in such a way that people discover God

and Christ. It it it really has nothing to do with me.

And if if people are remembering me, then I've failed.

You know, you talk about Jesus even said, father, let them be 1

as you and I are 1 so that people will believe

that they will see God out of the way we're united. So the whole

point of me living in a certain way or loving a certain

way is to draw attention to Jesus. So as a man of God, I

can't be successful if my life isn't drawing other

people's attention to Christ. Not just the way I do life, not

just the rules that I follow, but instead about the person of

Christ. So for me, legacy, I hope it's not about me because

no one's gonna remember you. I mean, statistically, no one beyond 2

generations is gonna remember you. My grandkids will

be the last generation that remembers me, but what I hope

they do is I hope they're walking in a tight relationship with Christ.

Real legacy is leaving a godly legacy rather than a a a legacy about

me. One of the things that I heard recently,

guys, was that sales of

Bibles had gone through the roof. I don't have the exact

numbers, and I don't have the article. Wow. But my interpretation

of that is that people are not necessarily looking for more

religion or more places to go because church attendance is some in

many ways going down. But in in my mind,

that told me that people are seeking some personal

relationship. It's my belief that

daily devotionals is part of that

equation. Is that some is

that part of what devotions do for us when you're writing your book? I'm

holding it up for those that are watching. Your daily wisdom for men

is creating that relationship daily. Dan, what are

your thoughts on that? Yes. The hope is a 100%

amen, high five. We we you know, what our

as Jimmy said, our words are nothing. Like, you know, part of it is is

just you know, if we're just babbling on and creating

extracurricular content and additional

content, it just it I it it that's

not the point. Our goal is to point to scripture. Like

when Jimmy and I speak, we don't help people come up and say, you did

great. We hope people say Jesus is good. You know, if they

they compliment us, it's like, maybe I did something wrong. There's too much attention

on me. I needed to point toward Jesus. And the

same way with the daily wisdom for men is just we wanna point

people to God's word. We believe God's word will never

return void. Men are not getting their face in the book.

Mature Christians our age are are slipping. The sin of

maturity, like, hey, I don't need to grow anymore. I just read one of our

devotions just the other day about that. The the point is we got

to point people to the word of God. And my dad

would always say the 3 d's of devotions, drudgery, discipline,

and delight. You know, it starts out as drudgery, like you're eating bark. I don't

know. It's not too fun, but you're just gonna do it. You know it's gonna

pay his price. Do that long enough, he would say, turns into a discipline. It's

the way I am. It's just every day. It's part of my lifestyle. It's like

breathing. It's a discipline. Then he'd get a big smile on his face and get

up. But then Danny, when it turns into a delight, is that's when

I long to be with my savior. And that's the thing. Some days it's

drudgery, some days it's discipline. And I'm praying for more days of

delight. But that's the key is just we believe, Jimmy and I

believe, that that yes, our words hopefully are a conduit.

Our our words are a bridge to be able to connect people to

the word of God, the transforming power of the word of God

so that they get their face in the book. They're getting transformed by the word

of God, and this, we believe, is the key. And, you know, our verse

on the back, we love the verse in the back. First Corinthians 16 13

was really the the the motive behind it says simply,

be on the alert. Right? Like, men, be on the alert. Have your head on

a swivel. Stand firm in the faith. That's what we've been talking about. And this

is the best part, act like men. Act like men, Tim. One of the

translations is be ye mainly. I like that translation.

Be ye mainly. That's a good t shirt. And then it ends with,

Be strong. And that's when Paul says, Grow up,

mature, act like men, live like men. Get your face in the

book and say, Yes. I praise God the Bible sales are up. I know the

YouVersion Bible app is blowing up. And we've just seen

God doing exciting things with His word all these

years. Right. Jimmy, first of all, I

do wanna say it's a beautiful book. When it first came in, I

was, like, going, wow. This is nice, bound.

So I guess Broadstreet, y'all's partner there. I mean, that that,

great job on that. It feels great, everything about it, and

going back to a word we had earlier, there's a simplicity

to that daily reading. I've been able to read through a few, and I like

that. But, Jimmy, quick question on it. Going back to the theme of

the show, resilience, how important is

daily devotion to building and being a resilient

man or resilient person? Yeah. It's essential. You

know, I think, you know, whenever you become if you don't do your daily

devotions, you become disconnected from the source of all life. So

if you just think in terms of you couldn't survive you couldn't survive

a couple of days. I guess it's maybe 3 days without water.

You can't survive 3 minutes without air. And so, you

know, you shouldn't be trying to survive very long without

spiritual connection and nourishment. You know? So I I think the biggest

thing is funny. I think this the idea that bible sales are up is great.

Maybe it's the Trump bible. Maybe that's what maybe that's the thing. Right?

That's it's a joke for the audience right there. The biggest gap

we have in the world is the gap between knowing and

doing. It's knowing and doing. And so we

it's not a lack of knowledge. In fact, it's not even a lack of necessarily

reading the Bible, although studies would show that very few people are reading the

Bible. What we try to do with the devotional is create

parable stories like Jesus did. He taught through real life

parables right now. Hey. What's going on? Life experience, and then he would bring the

principle. Parables always led to the principle for life.

That's what the devotion does. It's modern day language. It it

relates specifically to what men are experiencing right now,

and then it points you to the biblical truth, which you can build your life

on. You're not gonna build it on my story. You're not gonna build it on

Dan's story, but you can build it on the word of God. So that daily

devotion, hopefully, this is gonna inspire men to it's gonna relate

to men for sure in every single way. Hopefully, it's gonna inspire men

to learn the scripture and build their life on those principles.

I've got one more question for each of you, but I I I guess they

could find that anywhere, Amazon. Where where do you wanna

direct people to get to get the book? Yep.

Amazon, Barnes and Noble, it's it's in every outlet. Broadstreet

did an amazing job not only with the production of it, but the

distribution. It's in every outlet online, your favorite

place to go to get books, either retail place or by

by web online, you can do it. So yes. Good.

And if you're willing to Amazon or wherever you buy it, make sure you leave

a 5 star rating because you've number 1, you're gonna love it. And number 2,

you're gonna wanna give it to your brothers in Christ, and you're gonna wanna give

it to your family and your dads and your sons and all of that. So,

yeah, make sure you leave us a review. I'm actually

considering gifting some myself on this, so good job

on that. We'll include a link down in the show notes that goes to

Amazon that any other places that if somebody wants to

connect with you guys that they may wanna jump to that y'all wanna share here

before my final question? Yeah. I I

think, you know, again, I have social media at FCA,

Dan, which I got, you know, I'm

pretty active on that. LinkedIn, Facebook. But

also, email, you know, dan@sportslifeleadership.com.

Love to engage with people. I love to, get

them involved in ministry, sports ministry, leadership. It's all that's what it's all

about. The same way. Jimmy at be

unstoppable dot live, and my website's be

unstoppable dot live. It's the easiest way to do it. And I think

also the YouVersion Bible app is a great way to connect with

some of our writings. We've got a number of reading plans

on the YouVersion app. Just search for Dan or me, and those will come

up and journey with us, there as well.

I appreciate all that you guys are doing and love the conversation.

We are recording this towards the tail end of 2024. It's probably

gonna be released in early 2025. I'm gonna

ask each one of you, maybe starting with you, Jimmy, and

then Dan, to just look in the camera

and give either encouragement or tips or

whatever's on your heart, whatever the holy spirit might lead you to people

that are preparing and getting ready for 2025. I believe

it's going to be a phenomenal year for many people. I think there's gonna be

some challenges, but there's gonna be a lot of opportunity for

people that are diving into some of the things we've talked about right

here. Jimmy, what do you wanna share with people as they lean in and

begin 2025? Yeah. I think the most important

thing is to remember that this is about progress, not

perfection. A lot of people get tripped up because they feel like they've

failed, especially with any resolutions they've ever done. That's why

we scrapped resolutions and went to the single word. I would encourage every

man listening to this podcast to select a

one word theme for the year and drive towards life

transformation through that word. It'll change you mentally,

emotionally, physically, even your relationships and your finances.

So simplify things down, pick that word for the year, and

remember, this is about progress. You know, life is the playing

the long game. Don't get tripped up on your failures. Learn from

them. Turn back, and and stay on track.

Alright, Dan. How about you? Well, that's, that's good. Jimmy,

I'm ready to roll. 2025, here we come. Thank

you. 2025

is a clean slate. Brand new year.

Blue sky, blue ocean, just opportunity

abounds. So we just closed up 2024.

So how did 2024 end up? The choices and decisions you

made either put you on a road to reward or a road to regret.

You know, you're either glad 2024 is over, like,

woah, that was a tough year. Close the door. I never wanna go there

again. Some of you are sad because actually it was a good year. Like,

wow, 2024 was God did some amazing things and and and

I'm kind of sad to see 2024. But really when it comes

down to it, is the story that we're gonna tell at the end of

2025. So fast forward, we're at the end of 2025.

What story do you wanna tell about 2025? It's

gonna come down to the decisions and choices you make. Not

things happen to you. Yes, some things are out of your control. But the

decisions and choices you make will be the

stories we tell tomorrow. Because the

stories we're telling today are the ones the decisions that we

made yesterday. So the question is, today,

2025, what decisions and choices are you

gonna make so that when you

get to the end of the year, what story do you wanna tell because of

how you live that life and how you gave yourself

to be the person that God's called you to be? That's the key.

Excellent. Dan and Jimmy, thank you so much.

I appreciate, number 1, the conversation. This has been great.

But I appreciate really the model that y'all are providing an example of,

the things we discussed here, the model of just relationship between the 2 of

you, the model of marriage, the model of just

being resilient. Love that theme that developed. I

highly encourage everyone listening to get a copy of Daily

Wisdom For Men, probably multiple, so that you could share them and gift

them. Because I could tell you when you touch them, you're gonna wanna give people

this. It actually feels really, really good. So there'll be links. If you're

on YouTube or listen to podcast platforms, go click that. Get a

copy, and as Jimmy said, leave a review. I appreciate all of you

that have been listening in. This has been a great, great episode. I hope it's

been encouraging to you. Until next time, continue

being all that you were created to be.