[00:00:00] The Missional Life - Dan: Welcome back to Mission Live Podcast. Today we are thrilled to have Caleb and Kelsey Yetton with us. Caleb and Kelsey are talented worship leaders and long time members of The Rock Music, a worship collective dedicated to Christ centered music. Their new EP, No One Knows Me Like You, share the powerful message of being fully known and deeply loved by God, even in seasons of grief and doubt.

[00:00:20] The Missional Life - Dan: Caleb and Kelsey, welcome to the

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[00:00:22] The Missional Life - Dan: Yeah,

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[00:00:24] The Missional Life - Dan: us. We're excited to be here. Absolutely. Hey, let's dive in your new EP. No one knows me like you is a deeply personal project. And so can you share how your journey of faith and loss shaped the project?

[00:00:38] Caleb Yetton: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for letting us share.

[00:00:41] Caleb Yetton: Yeah, it's a new project that we released in October that we've been working on for a couple of years. A number of these songs the title track, no one knows me like you, I would say is definitely a A story of my own life of wrestling with God and doubt and fears. I feel like a, a pretty maybe we all do.

[00:01:02] Caleb Yetton: I've come to realize we all do feel this way, but maybe insecure and self conscious person about how I interact with people, feeling misunderstood, even with people that I love most, like my wife here. that we have misunderstandings and I can internalize that and feel like that's my own shortcomings or ways that I am not communicating.

[00:01:24] Caleb Yetton: Well have had that in other relationships with friendships and whatnot, and it's easy to put those feelings towards God. Like, does he understand me? What do I understand me, you know, and, and we've gone through a season of, of some hard things over the last couple of years as a family.

[00:01:42] Caleb Yetton: And so interwoven in all of that too can be doubt and fears and questions of God's goodness and his plan. And so that song particularly is a song of just wrestling with God. of that. He knows everything about me. He sees my insecurities. He sees my differences and my uniqueness . He sees my sin, my shame, things that I hold on to today that you know that can pop up.

[00:02:12] Caleb Yetton: We all have guilt and shame that pop up when when the enemy lies to us and and makes us remember things, you know, even you wake up sometimes the middle of the night and you're like, man, does God, does God really forgive that? Or is that really taken care of on the cross? And so anyway, it was just this long wrestling with that.

[00:02:32] Caleb Yetton: ultimately coming to the place that God knows me more than anyone else, but he loves me more than anyone else. He sees my shame, but he took my shame. And so he's made a way for me to have relationship with him of having a home of belonging with him. And so that's been a major theme for sure on, on this project that even subconsciously woven through other songs that we recorded for this.

[00:02:55] Caleb Yetton: And so that's a little bit to answer your question there.

[00:02:59] The Missional Life - Dan: Yeah, I was looking at one of the verses here. You've seen all my dirt. You've seen all my stains, all my flawed intentions, and then it kind of moves into a chorus. No one loves me like you. And just you see all my shame. You still love me the same.

[00:03:12] The Missional Life - Dan: No one knows me like you. And it's just, I think that's such a, an amazing confirmation and affirmation of who God is because so many times, you know, you think about even, you think about Adam, right? Like, here's this guy who the first one of us To experience some separation from, from God .

[00:03:30] The Missional Life - Dan: And all of a sudden he's starting to hide. , but God's gracious, kind. He goes to Adam and he's like, where are you? I'm looking for you. And so Adam sinned and Adam had all these things, but God continued to pursue him and he pursues us as well.

[00:03:43] The Missional Life - Dan: And so he knows all that dirt on us. And so I think that's just an amazing. Message that people need to hear now, but also and hearing some of your story, you alluded to this, but can you share with us a little bit more about some of the, the challenging season that you have walked through and are continuing to walk through and some of these questions that you are wrestling with in this song and not only in the song, but the album.

[00:04:06] Kelsea Yetton: Yeah. So last almost a year ago we lost my mom to cancer. And so that was some of these songs are really dear to me. All hail King Jesus. You're beautiful. Those are covers that we put on that my mom loved. One of her favorite things was worshiping. She taught me how to worship. She was just.

[00:04:29] Kelsea Yetton: Her whole life kind of exuded that. And so I think, you know, we sang these songs frequently in church with our congregation and during even the season of my mom being sick for about a year and a half you know, if she could come to church, she would be there. Worshipping with these songs. And I think just in, in your beautiful, just talking about heaven and the, I think going through something like that, losing someone that you're close to the hope, the hope of heaven just becomes so real and so alive.

[00:05:05] Kelsea Yetton: And so that song talks about that at the end when we're going to arrive at eternity shore and be there. And that song always reminds me of my mom. And all hail King Jesus. Just knowing that is what matters. He's our King. He, we're, this life is a short time and then we're going to be with him in eternity.

[00:05:26] Kelsea Yetton: And he, he makes it all right. And so I think definitely these songs are. Close to our hearts during this time of grief and just working through the wrestling of, you know, each day of that process of not fully understanding. And I don't think death ever really feels right because that just wasn't a part of the plan.

[00:05:46] Kelsea Yetton: And so having songs to worship the Lord and speak of the truth that he gives us to cling to has just been life giving for sure.

[00:05:55] Caleb Yetton: Yeah, two songs that we've been singing at our church for a long time. All hail King Jesus is just the song that our church has really loved.

[00:06:04] Caleb Yetton: Singing and you're beautiful. We've been singing that even longer. The song by Phil Wickham, it's one of my favorites. Definitely can. Remember many times in leading worship at our church looking out in the congregation and seeing Jeannie raising her hands and singing to Jesus and just pouring her heart out to the Lord.

[00:06:24] Caleb Yetton: So definitely those memories come into mind when thinking about those songs. We set out just to kind of record a couple extra songs for the project that our church would be encouraged by. For our music ministry, our worship ministry, that's, you know, obviously Jesus is first. Second is kind of our local congregation of seeing how we make these projects and songs and what we record.

[00:06:50] Caleb Yetton: And we wanted to encourage our, our local church with that. But God had a plan in that too. He's sovereign and kind of orchestrated all that plan, even as we got into the studio and we're recording them and the timing of her getting sick. And. Having home care and Kelsey being a big part of that and me kind of even wrapping up the recording process without Kelsey in the studio every, every day for those she's saying on them, her parts and harmonies, but then kind of wrapping up the instrumentation with our band.

[00:07:23] Caleb Yetton: And I have a sweet memory though, just in her final weeks of life being able to, when we were getting the recordings back and starting the mixing process, we were able to share those with her. you know, even when she wasn't feeling up for talking she could listen. She loved listening to worship music.

[00:07:41] Caleb Yetton: And so it was sweet to get to share that with her. She was always so encouraging with, with the work we did always such kind words and, and really specific encouragement on things that she enjoyed. She loved music, like Kelsey said, loved worship, was always walking around the house or everywhere she was humming and singing.

[00:07:58] Caleb Yetton: And so these songs were on her. Mind often that she would sing them, cleaning the house or cooking or doing errands or just sitting, with the family, she'd be humming to herself. And so a lot of sweet memories. And so we're grateful for the opportunity to share those with the world with even her memory attached to those.

[00:08:18] The Missional Life - Amanda: You know, I was very close with my mother in law she passed about three years ago. And, just something that. Has really stood out to me is just really what a gift to carry that, baton of faith you know, Kelsey, your mom loved to worship and

[00:08:36] The Missional Life - Amanda: and it sounds like she was a delightful person to be around, you know, she worshiped and she's cooking and all those things. And, you know, very similar with my mother in law. She actually ran a store and it was out of their house.

[00:08:50] The Missional Life - Amanda: And people would just come to be encouraged by her. It just, sounds like your mom was also very, instrumental in your church and then many people's lives. And, I just want to I guess encourage all of us here that we are so blessed to have parents that instill that into us, that faith and that worship because a lot of people in the globe don't get that.

[00:09:11] The Missional Life - Amanda: And you know, even with that, I also want to acknowledge that your church The Rock is, , right in Salt Lake City, Utah, and Utah is home to lots of lovely people who are part of the Mormon religion. So how do you guys reach the people around you who desperately need to hear the real, truthful gospel of Jesus?

[00:09:40] Caleb Yetton: Yeah. That's a great question. That's, that's why we are here still doing ministry. I'm a pastor at our church, one of the pastors at our church. And that's really our, our main mission field is those that have a, an affection for God and are really sweet people that some of the most kind, generous people you'll ever meet, but a lot of what they do and the reason they do it is because of works and to earn.

[00:10:11] Caleb Yetton: Favor with God. And so one of the biggest ministries that we have is just the ministry of grace, of communicating grace to people that, that the work of Jesus his finished work on the cross is enough and we don't have to, to work. We don't have to earn our way to him. Like you were saying, Dan earlier with Adam, like that God pursued us after we sinned.

[00:10:35] Caleb Yetton: That he made a way, he covered us up with clothing and, and ultimately with the righteousness of Christ. And so we, we, we have those conversations all the time with folks, our neighbors, with a lot of visitors that come through and are curious about what we do. Are doing in our own church. Maybe they are searching or they've grown kind of disillusioned with their religion.

[00:10:58] Caleb Yetton: One of our kind of taglines, if you will, in our church is are you interested in God, but not religion? You know, that, that Jesus made a relationship not a set of rules for us to follow. Obviously we, we strive to do good works, but it's out of the overflow of the grace that we've received and not the other way around.

[00:11:17] Caleb Yetton: And so we're so thankful for that ministry. It's vibrant and we're just astounded by what God's doing here in Utah. We, we kind of say a lot of times it's the best kept secret in, in Christian ministry is Utah. because it is so easy to get into spiritual conversations so quickly. People are often wanting to share their own story.

[00:11:41] Caleb Yetton: And so it's an easy first step of conversation. There's a lot of minutiae you got to work through, you know, cause you have a similar terms that have vastly different definitions. But, but the conversation's always there and open and another thing we say at our church often is that we want to win Utah, which will help reach the world.

[00:12:00] Caleb Yetton: We believe if, if God would win Utah and, and flip. That, that large religion to historic Christianity that the world would take notice and see, and God could reach the world through that. And so where a lot of places it's go and we totally believe that with go to the ends of the earth and, and fulfill the great commission, that's our heart and church planning and our lives have been changed by church planning.

[00:12:26] Caleb Yetton: And but we, we see a real strategic opportunity here in Utah to love people And maybe see a, a religion that already has a worldwide network to historic Christianity, to, to the ministry of grace for them to have a real relationship with Jesus and that the world would take notice. And so we'll see what the Lord does in that.

[00:12:48] Caleb Yetton: We're thankful for the opportunity, not just. Through music, but through everyday ministry and Bible studies and loving our neighbors that we'll see what God does with that. But we're praying that he would reach Utah. And that was Jeannie's heart, Kelsey's mother in law. That was her heart too. She exemplified that of just having a radically changed life that was all about the gospel in, in every aspect, whether it was with her kids.

[00:13:14] Caleb Yetton: intermarriage with people at church or her neighborhood. So we, we live next door to our father or to my father in law, to Kelsey's dad. And we were able to live, move here while she was sick to be in the house next door. And just the the impact that Jesus made through their lives in our neighborhood.

[00:13:33] Caleb Yetton: So many people we see on neighborhood in our, in our neighborhood on walks speak so highly just of their character and their love. Like the Holy Spirit just oozed out of them and people couldn't help, but be affected by that. And so we just feel like we're kind of walking in that legacy and trying to do the best we can to honor the Lord and, and continue that, that work cause it's a.

[00:13:56] Caleb Yetton: I'm meeting full work here in Utah, and we're so blessed to be here.

[00:13:59] The Missional Life - Dan: Wow. Such an amazing opportunity and yet a challenge to carry on a legacy like that, , where, people know your mom and your dad and they, and they live such an amazing life and exemplified Jesus in so many different ways.

[00:14:16] The Missional Life - Dan: But I want to Go back to navigating. I mean, this is a huge loss and and you're wrestling through it But we've also seen a lot of different, Worship leaders navigating and go through different situations and arrive arrive kind of course.

[00:14:32] The Missional Life - Dan: Right. And so, maybe you could speak to How have you guys maintai God's plan isn't clear. I how you were hoping or be stood that especially as leaders in a musical capacity and in a pastoral capacity.

[00:14:48] Kelsea Yetton: Yeah, I think for myself on this journey I always feel free to question God and have those hard conversations and just say those, you know, Say those hard thoughts in prayer with him.

[00:15:04] Kelsea Yetton: I just think trying to keep going back to the word every day and being like being expectant, knowing that God understands the grief I'm going to. He was going through, he's a man, he was a man of sorrows. And so going, if you understand this Lord, please give me what I need to just make it through this.

[00:15:27] Kelsea Yetton: And he has been so faithful with that. I think surrounding ourselves with the body has been key. We have needed that just extra time with our brothers and sisters. And we have such an awesome community that has people praying for you. I've experienced the power of prayer in a new way.

[00:15:46] Kelsea Yetton: Like the uplifting, it's the uplifting of the saints when you're praying for people in their grief, in their pain, I feel like it's It's powerful and God uses it. And so I think for me, just even when it feels yucky and hard and wrong to keep going back though, to God, instead of shutting him out and in some ways, maybe she's like, well, I'm just going to say this hard thing to you.

[00:16:16] Kelsea Yetton: I'm just going to speak my unbelief to you right now. And I feel like in time, it maybe isn't an immediate, like, Oh, now I get it. It's a process, but I feel like as we keep immersing ourselves in prayer and in the word and in being with the body, I feel like he speaks. He, he has comforted my soul in great ways that even I might not be able to communicate fully.

[00:16:41] Kelsea Yetton: But just keep going back, keep going back, keep going back. Even if it feels wrong, even if you don't feel like you don't have all the answers. And that's where I feel like I've arrived. There's a lot I don't understand, but all I know is that God is good and that he has a good plan and that I can trust it.

[00:17:00] Kelsea Yetton: And the more I read his word and hear from his people, the more that's solidified and In my heart. .

[00:17:07] Caleb Yetton: Yeah, I totally echo everything she said. I think of the verse in John six, when the crowd leaves Jesus and Jesus turns to his disciples and they're like, are you going to go to cause they didn't like what he taught or maybe they started to have unbelief or they doubted or.

[00:17:25] Caleb Yetton: What he said was too, too much for them. Maybe his plan wasn't good. He's not the Messiah that they wanted or that they were expecting. And so I just love what Peter says though, or he just says to whom shall we go? Like where else shall we go? God. You hold the words of eternal life. And I'm so thankful for the examples we've seen in our lives of wrestling with God.

[00:17:45] Caleb Yetton: That's even that theme of that song really, you know, comes out of that, of the people we've seen that have shared their struggles and shared their doubts. And when they've been in grief or in sorrow or that they've wrestled with God, like Jacob did, and, and ultimately come to the place that That Simon Peter did and you hold the words of eternal life.

[00:18:04] Caleb Yetton: Like there's nowhere else to go. Even if we went somewhere we want to go, we know it's empty. It might be more comforting in the moment, but it's hollow and empty. And so I would say that's. a big part of what's been exemplified for us of faith and walking out your doubts and your, your struggles and your questions is just to, like Kelsey said, to say those quiet things out loud for people, not only for yourself, you know, between you and the Lord, cause that really, the authenticity is so life giving but also it's a, it's an example and a ministry to others to see like, Oh, I can.

[00:18:43] Caleb Yetton: I can be that way. God, God allows me to question him. And, you know, so many examples of that, whether it's Moses or Abraham or Job, David, you know, crying out like God, when's your good plan starting? Cause this doesn't feel like it. And for him to answer back and through his word and through the comfort of the Holy spirit to say like, well, I'm God.

[00:19:06] Caleb Yetton: And so. It might not be right now that I'm working it all out for good, but one day I will. So so it doesn't make it easier in the moment, but there's a piece, that piece that you can't explain.

[00:19:18] The Missional Life - Dan: Just was a couple of scripters that came to my mind. One of them was two or better than one.

[00:19:23] The Missional Life - Dan: Ecclesiastes four, nine, just that we need each other and don't give up gathering together, especially as the end gets near, you know, and thinking how , we need each other more than ever. We meet each other. And I think about even historically, people were much more in community and now we have our compartmentalized lives and we have to be more intentional.

[00:19:42] The Missional Life - Dan: All right. with community. And I love how you guys have been finding that refuge and that encouragement among your church community, because we can speak life. , who we do life with does matter. And one of the other scriptures that stood out as you were talking about being honest and being just vulnerable and speaking some of those things out to God.

[00:19:59] The Missional Life - Dan: And it is just this time in Jesus's ministry where he talks about like, man, those who worship me, they'll worship me in spirit and in truth. And I think one of the studies I, I, done is that in truth. It's it's without a mask So those will worship me without any pretense without any kind of just pretending something is When it's really not and god god knows us.

[00:20:24] The Missional Life - Dan: He knows who we are. He knows our deepest desires. He knows our deepest thoughts and at the same time He still loves me unconditionally. And so as a musician myself, I've recorded, as well. But there's sometimes when I listen back there's like this certain part.

[00:20:43] The Missional Life - Dan: Of the of the song that it gets to and then all of a sudden It's like man, like that's the part I was waiting for like that most amazing part of the whole song where it's like that just fulfills it Is there a there a point or is there a lyric and no one knows me like you that for you.

[00:20:59] The Missional Life - Dan: It's just like man like that line just stands out to me and if so, what is it? And why is it so significant to you in your life?

[00:21:05] Caleb Yetton: Yeah, I totally agree with what you said about the musical moments and those lyrical moments that for sure stick with you and you go back to the song just for that.

[00:21:18] Caleb Yetton: Yeah, from that song in particular, I would say it is part of the bridge. Says a god of mercy better than I've ever known. I found my place. I'm secure. And then I think later it says I can rest. I'm known. Again, going back to the, the feeling of growing up, I, I definitely hid in shame a lot and, and with that mask and have to fight that feeling to want to put that mask back on.

[00:21:44] Caleb Yetton: Because the idea that One that God maybe would be a God that's angry or I have to, I have to clean myself up before I can be in good standing with him. Isn't the truth, but that is what we can wrestle with, what I've wrestled with in my life. And The fact that God is a God of mercy and it's better than I could have known.

[00:22:06] Caleb Yetton: Like it's better than my own thinking of God. Cause if it, if I was God, it would be like, all right, you got to clean yourself up and get, come back to me. Instead of it just being, well, I'm, I'm merciful and my, my mercy is new every day every morning. And so that is really meaningful. And then just the idea that I found my place and I'm secure and I have a home and I'm, can rest in him.

[00:22:31] Caleb Yetton: That rat race, it feels like a rat race often with that mask on that I have to do these things to earn God's favor or to clean myself up or to make myself better, or if anybody really knew what was going on in my heart or what they've, if they knew what I've done or what I've thought, or How would, how would people at my church, what would they think of me?

[00:22:55] Caleb Yetton: What would my wife think of me? What would my parents think of me? What would my in laws think of me? And God's been so kind and merciful and gracious. I'm still learning the, that lesson, but that when I've, by God's grace, spoken those things to be met with grace, be met with mercy by those people, for them to be the hands and feet of Jesus in my life.

[00:23:18] Caleb Yetton: To be like, well, yeah, I struggle too. Or, or I love you. That doesn't change the way I think about you. Has really just put a a real reality to what God does for me. that I can be in this place, in this community, in this relationship with my wife or, or with Jesus and have a place that is secure And even if I stumble, even if I fall, even if I fail or any of those things, I, it's secure, right?

[00:23:44] Caleb Yetton: And I can rest. I don't have to, I don't have to work myself into a frenzy to find a place that, oh, now I can rest. It's like, it's that the, that verse that if anyone would, you know, would find their life, they must lose it. And anyone who would who would lose it? They'll find it. Right. And so I, I struggle with, I think we all do in our own way, but just that losing your life to, to find it, giving it up, letting go to, to find peace and, and letting go and allowing God to work is, is a, is a thing that I've struggled with and I've worked through and, and still am learning, like I said.

[00:24:24] Caleb Yetton: So I think that line in particular. There's a lot wrapped up into that. It's almost like a snapshot of my whole. Life honestly to this point of just I have a place in Jesus and I can rest.

[00:24:35] The Missional Life - Dan: Thinking about shame, right? , shame seeks to isolate and then begin to destroy. And , when we. Begin to go down that road we can begin to keep that shame and the kind of nation on ourselves. And like, then it's almost not even the enemy. It's like you're doing it yourself.

[00:24:53] The Missional Life - Dan: And sure. And yet there's a scripture that we all know, but I think when you go through situations like that, where you're beginning to feel that shame. It's such a reminder and it's such a confidence builder that God says, come boldly before the throne of grace and how grace emboldens, right.

[00:25:12] The Missional Life - Dan: And emboldens us. And it's not to be taken for granted, but it is to be acknowledged. Right. And so when do we need grace the most? It's when, We've messed it up. But God says, man, when you've messed it up, come boldly. It's okay. My grace can cover that. And I think that's just such a, an encouragement for all of us that because, , we've talked about the location and kind of the LDS church and just how so much of it is based on works

[00:25:41] The Missional Life - Dan: and yet. God's system is about grace. It's by giving it's by what he has done for it. That doesn't mean we live sloppily. It doesn't mean we don't, have some different things to, to, to live into, but , it's his grace. And so I think that it's his grace to you guys, to be planted in that church and that in the season to be walking with a body that is encouraging you and standing with you and speaking life into you.

[00:26:02] The Missional Life - Dan: And so my question to you as, as musical artists, How has it been being part of that worship collective, The Rock, how has that changed? influenced you in this season with your faith and your artistry through all of this.

[00:26:16] Kelsea Yetton: Yeah. Being a part of the rock music has been really encouraging.

[00:26:21] Kelsea Yetton: We take turns leading worship on the weekends, different bands or collections of musicians. And for me, I think coming together and being able to sing to Jesus is one of the most healing things to my heart. And so being able to hear my brothers and sisters and music they've written from their heart, that's personal or other.

[00:26:49] Kelsea Yetton: You know, songs that have been meaningful to them that they're covering from other Christian worship leaders has just been so refreshing. I think we've got. Yeah, several musicians. And so the camaraderie of just knowing that we all are very passionate about that, and then just coming to church on the weekend and just being able to lift up my voice with, you know, a lot of times.

[00:27:18] Kelsea Yetton: You know, especially when my mom was sick, I didn't feel very up to being a part of leading. And so I didn't as often, and it was so refreshing to still be able to come and be able to hear that music that I could just sing to my King and and knew that was the right place to be and the right thing to be doing.

[00:27:42] Kelsea Yetton: So I think. It's been such a blessing having different styles of music. We have different styles. We have different leaders, different styles in how they lead through the worship. And so it has been such a blessing to be able to enjoy all of those different gifts that the Lord has given our different musicians.

[00:28:02] Kelsea Yetton: And be able to worship Jesus in different ways, week in and week out. And just knowing that we can lean on each other when we are going through something difficult, like, Hey, maybe you don't feel like you can get up and lead without just. Balling the whole time. So you don't need to this week and someone else will be able to take that, but yet we can still be a part of it by being in the congregation and singing and being a part of it, a part of worshiping the Lord together.

[00:28:32] Kelsea Yetton: It's just such a treasure and a gift to have to that time is really important and special to me. The time of just being able to sing together out loud and, you know, here teaching from the word of God is just. doing that each week has been really, really important to me.

[00:28:51] Caleb Yetton: Yeah, I would agree. And I think like Kelsey said, we have a number of different bands in our church.

[00:28:57] Caleb Yetton: We, rather than doing like a team models where different people rotate through with different leaders and you maybe have a different back backing band each week or whatnot. We, we kind of the guy who's My co pastor who started the rock music 20 years, 20 plus years ago came out of like a touring band music scene and just kind of brought that into the local church of if you have a band that you regularly play with and you develop.

[00:29:27] Caleb Yetton: Musically together so you can know where each other's going musically and instinctively and you can create a sound if you will, out of each band is, is been a unique thing. That's been a blessing for me. And also just personally to be able to bring my own expression of music like Kelsey said, some weeks we might have maybe just your, your more typical CCM worship sounding.

[00:29:51] Caleb Yetton: the next week, you might, band of guys that kind of up rock and roll. It's a you know, less Paul's and a little harder rock. And it's maybe a mixture of s some indie rock. And then bluegrass or alt country. And so it's a different flavor, but even just music for me as a musician, to be able to say, I can bring the expression that God has given me musically to the church and it can be a gift and it's authentic worship to the Lord is a blessing that I don't have to come and change my sound.

[00:30:32] Caleb Yetton: To fit something that like, this is what heaven sounds like. It's like, heaven will sound like the, the nations of all of history coming together and bringing their, their sound and their tongue and their voice and their, their language, and it'll all praise the Lord. And so personally, I just, and it's very encouraging and fun to musically be able to express that way.

[00:30:57] Caleb Yetton: It's not always for everybody, but for, for some it, you come and you're like, Hey, I connect to that more. That sounds more like music I would listen to or You can passionately sing that way and it doesn't have to be maybe in a box, which there's not always, it's not always wrong to, to change up things.

[00:31:15] Caleb Yetton: But as a musician, it's really freeing and, a blessing to be a part of that type of music and ministry.

[00:31:21] No. And just, I grew up in a very traditional church which was amazing. But then when I met Dan, he grew up in more contemporary church So, you know, being exposed to, you know, and we're talking early 2000s.

[00:31:36] So YouTube wasn't even out yet at that point. So, you know, like, Oh my gosh, I'm supposed to raise my hands right now. I'm used to like, just kind of looking down and and yet what's interesting, what I found musically was you can almost get like in a rut, so to speak, where. Your worship becomes that comfortable preference. It's like, it's just become comfortable versus really thinking about worshiping the Lord, , if that makes sense. So that model is intriguing.

[00:32:10] Allowing people to, come in and. Just really use the way that God has gifted them specifically, in a type of music that might be a little different than the week before, but it's like you said, that will be a lot like what heaven sounds like, all the different instruments and things, you know, you look at different cultures throughout history where instruments originated from, , where, , folk music, like music is a universal language.

[00:32:37] It's just, Sounds a little bit different in each part of the world ,

[00:32:41] The Missional Life - Dan: I wanted to kind of come back to you, Kelsey, on some of this, you mentioned taking a step back from leading, but you also know the people that are on the team.

[00:32:52] The Missional Life - Dan: And you know, some of the people that have written these songs and you may know the stories behind those songs. And I think that's really important , as we share music and just share our life, our gifts, our talents. But when we're vulnerable with people, when we tell you like, this is what this came out of when we know the backstory to something, it gives us more of a glimpse.

[00:33:10] The Missional Life - Dan: And, and that's such a glory to God in the sense that we can praise through that storm. And I think about the verse, of how basically we bring that sacrifice of praise. We may not feel it, but we start, we start it. And all of a sudden something begins to shift inside our souls, insides our spirits.

[00:33:27] The Missional Life - Dan: And so I think that's, that's just such a weapon that we. We have, but the enemy still wants to push back on. And so I think that's so amazing that you have gone through a situation and yet you're still praising , that the enemy hasn't knocked out your praise and he hasn't knocked out your worship yet.

[00:33:43] The Missional Life - Dan: And so I want to encourage you guys to keep, keep doing that and to keep making music and keep singing through every life situation because God has anointed you specifically for for this to write song and to write music that Encourage others and that help people wrestle through Deep and hard situations and i've heard that we're best Able to help Who we were yesterday or who we were a year ago.

[00:34:07] The Missional Life - Dan: As we kind of wrap up. I just wondered, what do you take away most from this album individually? And what do you hope that the listener most takes away from this project as they listen?

[00:34:23] Caleb Yetton: Yeah, that's a great question.

[00:34:25] Caleb Yetton: I think personally, with everything that's been going on in our lives over the last couple of years with Kelsey's mom is just, being reminded and challenged, and then being reminded again of what, what we're living for. And that's to praise Jesus, to live for him. And so that theme comes through that project, this project a lot with.

[00:34:50] Caleb Yetton: all the way to some of the other songs that Kelsey wrote that it's just wrestling with the Lord and being authentic before him and ultimately coming to a place that you're surrendering to him and his plan and his holiness and his goodness with it. And so coming to a place of. Responding to him. And I, I hope people take that same message away, that they can be authentic before the Lord.

[00:35:18] Caleb Yetton: They can share how they're feeling. They can wrestle. They can be authentic before the Lord. And out of that comes worship. It, it is a response to him that he is good, that he is sovereign, that he is and that we're walking in our. Our God given purpose, which is to know him and worship him and to give him glory and then for others to see that.

[00:35:46] Caleb Yetton: So I'm hoping and praying that it's a comfort to people that they, whatever they're facing, whether it's loss or the effects of their own sin or it's doubts or fears about the future. That they would come to a place where they can just worship the Lord authentically and freely and be real before him and that it would be maybe a reigniting in them what their purpose is in life, because there's a lot of things that kind of lull us into sleep and into uselessness when we're just kind of going through the motions and living all out for the Lord, as we saw by Kelsey's mom Up to the last day of her life that she was doing that.

[00:36:31] Caleb Yetton: It like brings the meaning of life into focus. Instead of just like, what am I giving my life to? It's, it's a mundane day today. It's like, no, today's the day I can worship God and know him and be known by him. So I'm hoping people find that in, in these songs that the Lord speaks to them in that way.

[00:36:51] Kelsea Yetton: Yeah. I, I think for me Yeah, just utmost for anyone listening. I hope that it just shouts that, you know, Jesus is our King, that it gives him glory. And I think each song kind of takes a different. Aspect of his character and kind of looks at it or is a different type of prayer. And so I think just that, you know, that all encompassing all of it would just point to Jesus and to the different parts of his character that we can rely on and trust and that It would just lead people that maybe don't have that relationship with him to be curious about what does it feel like for someone if someone knew me and knew everything about me and yet accepted me.

[00:37:38] Kelsea Yetton: So yeah, I, I just hope that it points to Jesus ultimately in whatever way people, wherever they are on their journey, if they hear it, they'd be blessed in that Jesus would just reveal more of himself. And I think for myself personally, It was like Kilb kind of said, it was a gift of the Lord. We didn't know kind of the coinciding time of what would happen with my mom and this music coming out, but God knew that all along, even though we didn't plan it.

[00:38:08] Kelsea Yetton: And so I think it is really special to me that some songs that my mom really loved are on this little EP. And so a celebration to me of just the worshipper she was and having songs that just glorify and speak to, you know, highly of our King. And I think too, one other thing is just especially with the song, no one knows me like you was, I just feel really proud of Caleb for just being honest.

[00:38:39] Kelsea Yetton: And I love that song so much. And I just think the lyrics are just beautiful. I can tell that they're very heartfelt from him and honest about his own things going on in his mind. And it just, I just feel really proud of him about that. And so it's just a beautiful thing to look back on and, and just have this treasure of just seeing a little bit more into his heart.

[00:39:02] The Missional Life - Dan: So good. I think transparency brings transparency that when we're transparent and invites other people. And other believers and just other people to be transparent, to be vulnerable with us, but take that first person to have the courage to do that. And I love how you've, you've taken that step with this song.

[00:39:21] The Missional Life - Dan: He's taking that step of being vulnerable and invited that opportunity for other people to be vulnerable and to be honest with themselves and with God. Potentially, you know, those who they're doing life with, maybe even you guys, you know, through an email or a shout out sometime. But amazing.

[00:39:40] Caleb Yetton: Thanks.

[00:39:41] The Missional Life - Dan: How can our listeners connect with you caleb and Kelsey.

[00:39:46] Caleb Yetton: Yeah. Our music's on all streaming platforms. If you search the rock music, you can find the music there. And then on social media our handle on just about all our social media is the rock music on Instagram YouTube, Facebook, Tik TOK, all those.

[00:40:01] Caleb Yetton: And so we'd love to connect with anybody that has questions or wants more information about the music. We've been putting out original music since 2003 as a ministry of of our church. And so a lot of original music out there to find and hopefully be encouraged by.

[00:40:17] The Missional Life - Dan: Amen. Listeners, we'll have those in the show notes for you.

[00:40:19] The Missional Life - Dan: Gail. Kelsey, thank you so much for being on the show and so excited to see how powerful God uses this album and just the story that you've shared through it.

[00:40:27] Thank

[00:40:27] Kelsea Yetton: you.

[00:40:28] Caleb Yetton: Yeah, thank you. Thanks for giving us the opportunity to share and God bless you guys in your ministry.

[00:40:32] Kelsea Yetton: Yes, thank you so much.

[00:40:34] Kelsea Yetton: You guys have been a blessing to us.

[00:40:36] Caleb Yetton: Amen.