Roderick Lambert, welcome to the QVC podcast. Hello,

Meredith. It's a privilege and an honor to be here. I've been listening to

so many of them, and now I'm actually appearing on one. It's like, oh, my

God, here you are. Well, thank you so

much. I really appreciate that. And I'm excited

to talk to you and hear about your journey. You've done

such good work spreading the light wellness

message to the world and especially, as I was just saying,

especially to the men, because

I talk a lot about women's health and I'm like, oh,

I've kind of been ignoring the boys. So. Roderick, I know

you work with lots of people, but you do have a strong focus on men

of a certain age. So tell me what you're seeing out there in

the world with your clients who are

probably just out there living their lives and not overly

focused on biohacking or anything like that. Yeah, well, I'm

not really a biohacker, but when you look at what

it is that brings health, it all goes down to light,

water, magnetism, the mitochondria. And thus you have to

hack the modern environment because it's pretty detrimental

in the way we've set it up in a standard way of

life. But yeah. So men,

midlife, so whatever that means to you, I call it 40 to 60

years old. Typically they're working in high pressure

jobs. Have a family achieved something in their career,

and Those sort of 20 or 30 years of

intense hard work and achievement

have led them to accelerate their

mitochondrial aging or accelerated aging. And

the ones that come to me generally are at a stage where they've realized,

okay, I'm 50, I'm 30, 40 kilograms

overweight. Starting to feel that kind of not thinking as

clearly as previous as I used to.

Stamina is failing. I can't do this stuff. I used to. And

all the things that worked in my 20s and early 30s, like going

on a health drive and dieting and running and going to the

gym, they're not working anymore.

So that's. That's kind of the sort of typical client.

That is a really good point. And I think that that is a

turning point for a lot of people. It's like we developed at a

certain stage in life, we kind of developed ideas of what it means to be

healthy. And when we're off track, we're like, oh, I got to get back

to those things. Like, I got to start running again and, and, you know,

not eat so many donuts or whatever. And then you

finally gather the willpower to do that, you get back on track

and it's not having this at all. The same effects

that it had when we were in our 20s. And it's like,

what's going on? How do you, how do you explain that

to them? Well,

that's a good question. It's something I'm still working on, trying to get that

message across. But I very, very clearly,

all my messaging and I talk to clients and the first thing I do with

a new client is we just go briefly over what, you know, what

is the mitochondria, what are the mitochondria? Rather, what is a

mitochondria? And what. And, you know, let's

ditch this idea of calories in, calories out. It literally

doesn't obey the 21st century understanding

of physics as we know it. So now when

you consider this little organelle, all the things that impact and affect

it, then that's where we're going to do the work. So, yes, it is

movement, yes, it is food composition, but it's also timing

of food. It's the light diet, it's your circadian rhythms getting back on

track and some sort of. We do a bit of

fasting work as well for better accelerating fat adoption and the

benefits of fasting. So I try and frame it round. Let's

get your cells humming, your mitochondria purring back

at least as well as they should be at the age of 50, let's say,

because that's the key to, first of all,

getting rid of all the excess body fat and improving

your stamina and brain function.

But also when you've done that and you've done it in the way we're going

to do together and built those habits, then you'll be able to maintain it then

for the rest of your life and you will get the

maximum health span for your lifespan.

Nice. Yeah. Because I think it's. It is,

you know, I mean, for you and I, we've been talking about

mitochondrial health for a long time and it's like, yes, of course, but

it's not well understood out in the, in

the general mainstream at all. And it,

and the implications of thinking of health

as beginning at the level of mitochondria

are very wide ranging and really, as you said,

go much beyond what the traditional understanding

would be. So could you

explain a little bit sort of in your words, for a general audience,

how you see it all fitting together?

Well, I think it mirrors my own kind of

journey into this, this world, this subcellular

world, even veering on the subatomic but

I start. All my life I didn't know what a mitochondria was. I worked

30 years in HR, Human Resources.

I don't remember learning about mitochondria at school. I always feel a bit

embarrassed when people say, oh, at school you learned it was the powerhouse of the

cell. I don't even remember learning about mitochondria. Neither do I.

It was not mentioned at all.

So yeah, and I thought it was calories in, calories out,

eat less, move more. And I sort of maintained till

the early 30s, slightly increased weight from my teenage

years, but nothing unreasonable. But as you get

older, you get more and more mitochondrial

damage. They stop functioning as smoothly as well as they

should and the problems start to pile up slowly. And

of course I did the usual thing, getting up extra early to go for that

morning jog, trying all sorts of

diets and things and generally sort of starving myself. It worked for

a bit and then you give up because something happens or life happens and it

all comes back again with interest. And I got to the

point I turned 40, become a father

and got a new position in my corporate career.

And after a few years, three years of that, I realized

first of all, this corporate God that we all worship, I wasn't happy to,

didn't find it fulfilling to still worship. But

also I'd ballooned after a year or two of like

intense jogging and eating pasta and vegetables five times a

day and losing 5kg, I

obviously couldn't keep that up and got balloons to the

heaviest and biggest I'd ever been. So I quit the

job, my corporate career, trained as a coach. But at

the same time I had started to go down this sort of rabbit hole, peeled

off the first onion skin of. Okay, so it's

not just calories in, calories out, it's this whole thing about what you eat,

the macronutrients. So that was, you know, I started discovering that the low

carb, high fat world. And it was

like someone had taken a blinkers off my eyes. My God.

It's actually, the thing actually makes a difference what you eat in

terms of what happens to it when it goes inside you. And I just kept

digging and digging and digging and digging. And while I'd started out as a

life and business coach, I was still fascinated

by this whole world of actually what is human

health, Having applied it to myself and

dropped all the extra weight, 25kg in seven months.

And then eventually I just switched to being midlife

men's weight loss coach. By the way, I have successfully coached Some

women too, but generally it is.

And, yeah, and I just kept going down and I was getting this idea, okay,

so it's the organs, it's the Insulin, the Resistance, etc.

And then I realized. But hang on. But there's something more there. There's, you know,

these sort of. Then slowly, you know, when you start thinking about things, that the

universe starts putting things your way. And. And there was a

point, I think, three years ago where I was. Yeah,

someone had told me about this.

It was a money meditation thing. Joe Dispenza.

I'm not sure who. It was someone like that

to play this six times a day and get into a kind of a

meditative state and read this book. It was

called the Quantum Warrior, I think.

But it really resonated with me. And

funnily enough, my business started, you know, it was going in a bit of a

fallow period at that time. It started going well

and. But even. Interesting. Yeah, well.

And then I bumped into. Well, well, well, well, well, that's

what we're supposed to think anyway. And now these days, I

believe that there's a lot, a lot to say for

that. But I bumped into the

seven and a half hour interview between

Jack Cruz, Rick Rubin and. Who was it?

Huberman, wasn't it? Yes. And that was like. That was

like, wow, about another five layers of.

That'll take you all the way to the middle of the onion. And, you

know, I was floundering like I was in a

tsunami of, you know, tidal waves. I was completely lost, but

it just fascinated me, so. And that's when I started really looking down,

getting below the organs, the endocrine

system, down into. Into how cells work. And that took me to the.

The mitochondria. And since then it's just been digging deeper and deeper

and learning more about it.

Fantastic. I love that. I love that journey.

It's quite similar to my own, actually. It's like.

It's like, okay, I'll try this. Okay, I'll try this. And then it's like, wait,

what? Well, try, but also read and

study and listen. I mean, on this browser I have something like

50 tabs open with various different papers I still haven't got around to reading,

but just too much. So, okay,

so tell us. Because, yes, the research

journey is intense. And then there's. And there's so much of it,

Right. It's not like, oh, there's, you know, one or two papers floating out there

that we can extrapolate from. It's, you know, there are, I think

in PubMed. Last I checked, there were more than

90,000 papers on circadian rhythm slash

regulation. And then the last time I

checked the papers on quantum biology, you know, they were

much lower, but they're building and building. So

when you started to look at all of this,

which is incredibly overwhelming. So good for you,

what were some of the key insights that you started to have?

And how did you start to sort of make sense of

this world of mitochondria and light?

And apparently we have little

organisms in our body reading frequency all day long. Like how did you

sort of, how did that kind of. How'd you land the

plane on that? I don't know if I've landed yet, but

yeah, I was gonna say we're never landing. We're gonna be

circling for decades. Yeah. But you know what's strange?

It's like it just makes sense. It's. For me it just

kind of fits it. It's like, yes, that

simply makes sense that you know, when you're barefoot on the

ground, your, your autonomous nervous system

resets to, you know, the parasympathetic and, or why

it's so great here. You know, the forest circadian retreat

in the forests. Why? It's just, you come back from a weekend here and you

feel like a different person. You know, is it

the ions and anti of the air? Is it

the green of the green color of

the foliage? Is it

the infrared reflecting down off the leaves? Is it the

being, you know, lack of electro smog that you have in

a large natural national park? Is it just the fact

you're moving or the fresh air or whatever? I mean there are all sorts of

things that could be, but you can actually sort

of trace little lines of evidence to all these things.

Some lines are longer, some are less, some are more speculative, some

are more factual, but you can still do it and it just makes sense. So

I think for me, and also the first principles, I'd say, you know, we,

I mean not just Homo sapiens, what is it, 300,000 years homo sapiens, but just

the whole our ancestry in fact. Then you get, then you get down to things

like how life started on the planet, which is just, you know,

you get into life, the creation of life on planet and you get into

consciousness and that's just really mind blowing. But

let's not go there right now. Anyway, so you

think, you know, it's logical we were wandering around with

maybe some skins on us, doing

whatever we did, hunting, gathering, reproducing,

maybe starting to make some tools and Stuff outdoors

all year round. The only water we

had to drink was in the natural sources of springs and rivers.

And the food we had was what grew locally and seasonally.

And we spend a lot of time not eating, we spend a lot of time

moving. We spent a lot of time in the direct sun,

also in the shade. And it just makes

sense. That is how we adapted. That's how our physiology

has adapted itself to work. So when you take away all these

inputs, then suddenly your physiology doesn't have

that comfortable, comfortable, familiar surrounding

environment that it spent hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands, even

millions of years developing around. So I think it just

makes sense from that kind of first principles point of view.

Yeah, absolutely. And I really relate to that. It's like on the

one hand it's like why didn't. It's like what? And on the other hand it's

like, oh yeah, of course we're supposed to

get natural light. Of course there's a difference between

real light and fake light. Like actually. Yes. Why haven't

we been thinking about that? Of course we wake up at sunrise and

you know, and went to rest at sunset. Yeah.

So yeah, it just makes sense like that. I mean we are

still have the physiology of cavemen.

You know, we haven't adapted as quickly, that quickly to.

It's been impossible to adapt so quickly to the rate of change

that has been going on the last, well, definitely the last 300 years. But in

particular the last hundred and fifty and the last

ten, you know, it's just going mad, the exponential

technological advancement. I mean it's wonderful but at the same time it's

almost entirely detrimental to what ourselves

require and are expected and have adapted to do so. They are

adapting and well, they're reacting to this new environment

in a way that is meant to make, you know, keep you

alive to survive the natural selection.

But it's, it's, it's an uphill. These reactions

may manifest as what we call

disease. Yeah.

And for people like your clients, you know,

people who are in middle age and work a

traditional career, those careers have

become basically a full time screen job. I mean

my husband has a job like that and he's, he's on zooms today

from 8 till 6.

You know, he's got a window cracked and he goes out, runs outside every,

every hour. But that's, you know, that's his

life. And it used to be like you, you could still burn

out from stress, but you weren't in front of a

screen that much. So. And then I want

to get into, I want to get into your, your experiment that you did recently.

But before we get into that. So the blue light, right? So we're in

front of all these screens just by virtue of our

careers. A lot of, for a lot of people. So

just walk, walk us through how you

recommend that somebody in that situation

makes adjustments and why. Because I, I want this

episode, this episode is to be shared with the men in

your life. That's what this is

for. So I want them to understand, like, okay, what are, what should I be

doing then? Right. And,

you know, what can I do? We can't go back to living as we did

only, you know, 5,000 years ago. That's

literally impossible in this day and age. So what can we do? And

this, you know, so I'll take you through actually what I do with clients because

that's the easiest way. The Mitre Regen protocol, as I

call it. And so basically we start

with, we start with four pillars. So one is food composition.

So the

only rule you need to remember about what you eat is that it should be

local and seasonal. That's the easiest rule to remember.

And of course it should be thus. Hopefully, logically,

it's also therefore whole food. Foods that

grow in the ground or run around on the land, fly in the air or

swim in the water, but not coming out of a factory in a

been. Yeah. So slow, clean, seasonal. And because I'm

Here at the 50th degree north

latitude Czechia, just like most of my clients, you know, Germany,

France, uk, then

that means in the winter, naturally, basically

eating primarily animal based. And then in

the spring and summer, you're going to be adding in all the stuff that grows

around you. And is it the flower farmers market? That's like. So that's the

food thing. And here's

a quick tip for all you gents, but also the ladies. I must say,

they tend to actually underestimate

the power of protein even more. But

the first thing to do is a protein challenge. So basically I

tell them to supersize their protein portions in their meals. Eat

it first, chew it slowly, don't watch TV and

scroll on your device while you're eating, and monitor your satiety.

When you get to 8 out of 10, you stop eating.

And I get messages back because I'm in constant contact with my clients on

WhatsApp. It's like one client called it witchcraft. A lady, by the

way, this is some sort of witchcraft because she suddenly didn't have any, she didn't

want any chocolates she hadn't eaten for, I don't know, five hours or

something. And crazy. Another guy,

three in the afternoon. So I had breakfast this morning and it's absolutely

weird, I'm still not hungry. He was a

CEO of a bank. So it was like

amazing what happens when you just start to actually give

your cells the substrate that they need

to actually then make energy more efficiently,

less messily then the second

prong. So look at your diet. I mean, look at not how much

you eat volume, but look at the content of what

you're eating, the composition and relearn your natural hunger

and satiety signals. And generally

that switches within a matter of days once they start. That

second boot camp, as I call it, is based on

sleep and circadian rhythms. I don't normally

give it the title and the light diet because that can scare people

off. And in general we do the sleep and

circadian rhythms and the light diet I kind of put in

here and there, et cetera. So you get start getting the idea that the

light we are exposed to has fundamental

physiological or we react fundamentally at the

level of cells and hormones to the

different types of light we expose ourselves to. But circadian

rhythms again, I mean, for the gents and the

ladies, the phases of dark and night,

sorry, dark and light, absolutely key to

all biological systems

and all the things that go on within them and the things they do

are hooked up to this central clock that is the

main, the main signal is the phase

of light and then dark and then light and then dark. Yes,

different biological systems do different things at different times, but

that is the, that's the pendulum that just ticks day in, day

out. And yeah, so

there's a sort of education, but I mean, I focus on sleep because that's what

a lot of people suffer from. And when they fix the circadian rhythm, then

suddenly they're sleeping better, not just sleep onset that the sleep

biologists seem to get so obsessed about. That's important

how quickly you fall asleep, but it's actually what's going on during

the sleep. You know, you've got your architecture, sleep architecture. You want

to have no disruptions. Ideally, yes, there's a certain amount

of length, but you need certain things to happen. Leptin,

reset the glymphatic system, clearing up

your brain, you know, the brainwash at night

and all these other things. So to do that though, you have to get the

internal cascade of hormones and that sort of constant

interplay of cells and organs in

the right synchronicity with so they work in the right

order and do the right thing at the right time. So that's really key as

well. And because I primarily my message is

about weight loss, your metabolism is

almost entirely controlled by this circadian rhythm.

And if you're not getting the right quality sleep, then you're going to really

struggle to lose weight long term

for sure. Third boot camp then we go into like

a bit deeper into fat adaption and fasting. So we talk about the timing of

food. I mean you and I would probably talk about chrono nutrition

actually eating when you're supposed to eat in the day. Depending on the season, you're

ideally going to eat during daylight, not at night,

after dark. But that's pretty hard for most people

who are working. So it's about, you know,

perhaps narrowing that eating window down to let's say 12 hours or

10 or whatever kind of works for them. But also

starting to exercise what I call the fasting muscle.

So going to 24 hour fast, trying that a few times.

Some people, one recent client said to me, no, I

can't do 24 hours. I've been without food for

18 hours before. And I got the shakes and felt disinfectant. That's okay, it's cool.

And after a month of being on the, you know, this is. Anyway a month's

gone by then. I think his fat adaption had improved his ability to

switch between burning glucose, burning fat.

And so he did it and it was like, wow, that was

so easy. And now he's gone, he's, he's mad about fasting. It's like for him,

that is the biggest mind blowing thing that

he's learned from me is that he can actually go two days now

without, oh,

there's someone going down the stairs.

Yeah. So anyway, so he's like absolutely

off his mind that he can go two days without eating anything at all

and just be extra focused on all the stuff he has to

do. And the final bit is movement. Yes,

movement's important, but it's not about burning calories, it's about everything from, you know,

the piezoelectric effect, about

mitochondrial regeneration, etc,

etc, so you know, deuterium depletion. So

those are the four pillars and that's how I explain it. But I explained in

the concept of their daily. That's why it's one on one because, you

know, this lady I'm working with,

I'm getting a lot, I'm not sure if it's on the recording, but I'm getting

a lot of banging in my ears

it's the. So yeah, one lady I'm working with, for her she's

rediscovered her enjoyment of swimming. So she's now going

four times a week to the local swimming pool. Another guy's got his own little

sort of mini home gym and a treadmill. So for him it's

just tweaking the way he does his weights but also how he does his

cardio. Because I'm a big fan of

Philip Maffatone or Maffatoni. I'm not sure how you pronounce his surname.

American sports scientist and his math method.

So it's different for everybody how you.

In the details but the broad concepts are the same. And then we go

for two months where I'm actually putting on the coach's hat, where

I'm helping them to learn through their own experience

and build these habits into what I call

systems. So actually they're building a system for

continued success. There's no kind of end

date or goal to achieve specific. Well there is one. There are

a couple but it's more about. It's starting to become

then standard way of living. Right. And then we might bring in

things like cold thermogenesis and grounding. But I. That's based on the

temperature of the client and how they do.

That's. That's a very thorough and robust approach. I love it.

There was. So there's. There was one. There's one piece that I wanted

to expand on a little because I do find this really

trips people up. And when I say things like this

people just stare at me like what is. You are

so crazy. You know the idea that circadian rhythm

is connected to our metabolism and

I mean we know it's connected to every biological function but I think

that that one in particular people are like, what. How

does like circadian rhythm is like when I get jet

lagged how. What does that have to do with my metabolism? Could you

expand on that piece a little bit? I will

try to. And yeah. And the first thing I'd say is that

unless they're paying me, I don't talk about this stuff at all. Not even at

home because you just get looked at like you're mad

or I'm on a podcast, I'm happy to divulge.

So how does circadian rhythm impact

your metabolism? The broader

picture is I use Swiss railways. So

it's basically the Swiss railway system is renowned for being on time. I don't know

if it's still true, but it used to be. Or Japanese bullet trains. They run

on they literally to the second on time.

And so there's a central controller

there that is ensuring that all the trains and all the junctions,

all the stations and all the drivers are getting the right information at the right

time. So, so the trains can go speedily, without delay,

safely along their routes to the destinations.

As soon as that controller starts to

misread his script or press the wrong buttons, then you're going to start

getting accidents on the track, trains are going to get

delayed, et cetera, et cetera. So including the train,

that is your metabolism, because that is

site that is linked to again the

phases of dark and light and also dark and light, and also

when you eat that time of that moment that you eat during the day,

once, twice, maybe three times during the day, then

that also helps, that's feedback for the circadian system

about food consumption. So

consistency is one thing and regularity. But

concerning the actual idea of,

well, so one of these trains I talked about is the

metabolism train. And at night,

while a lot of people I think just kind of think sleep is just something

you do, you switch off and then in the morning you switch on again and

nothing's happened. And if you're lucky, you feel refreshed.

Actually I provocatively say

you actually do more in your sleep than you do during the day. In the

day your body's just keeping you alive, but at

night it's doing everything that helps you stay alive the next

day, fixing all the damage. I use the supermarket as an

allergy, the 24 hour supermarket that during the day there's no time to

clean up all the stocks coming off the shelves, people are buying, they are

dropping stuff, making a mess, etc. But at night the supermarket

closes, the cleaning crew comes out and they clean up the stock,

they restock the shelves, etc. If it didn't happen that,

if that didn't happen or it wasn't long enough, or it wasn't done good enough

quality, then the next day when the supermarket opens, there won't be enough

supplies, there'll still be a mess, etc. So

I don't get, don't often have to go

so deep down into details like you know, leptin signaling

and being

in a certain phase of sleep, you know, certain period after you've gone to

sleep, which is actually not so much after you go to sleep. It's like since

you saw the first light that previous morning, that then

this sort of whole leptin signaling, the main, I call

him the main or it the chief

accountant, inventory Stock taking, that takes place at night. But if

you're not getting to bed

at a certain time, after you've got up and seen the morning light

in a certain stage of sleep, then that inventory won't take place. And your

body simply says, your body gives the brain, or brain gives the

message. Okay, tomorrow, there's scarcity.

There's scarcity in the environment. Everything we

consume, we're going to have to store. That's the default,

default mode that your

metabolism is in store because there isn't enough. But if the brain

is getting the signal inventory and can take stock

of what the food environment's like, how much fat there is

in the body, et cetera, et cetera, then the brain gives permission.

Yep, tomorrow you don't have to store. You can burn and

that will affect your appetite as well as how you

actually use what you're taking in. That was a long answer. Sorry.

No, I love it. That's great. This is what we're here

for, is to, to hear how this works.

And I think metaphors are the perfect way to do it

because I feel like once we can wrap our minds around

it, then what you were saying about creating those systems and

creating a relationship with food and

light that's different from the one we had before, it becomes more possible

because the intellectual part of us does

want to be satisfied. I always say my, my intellect needs

like a bone to chew on so I can go and change my habits

without it interfering too much.

Doubtless you've heard the phrase, when you know better, you do better.

Yeah. And to have enough to understand why.

And because at the end of the day that changing our

light is not that hard. I mean, when

you think about all the other things people think they have to do to lose

weight, you know,

mitigating bright light at night and going outside in the morning is

like actually just thinking about like, compared to

gastric bypass surgery or liposuction or

marathons or whatever people think they have to do.

Yeah, it's actually pretty straightforward.

And sometimes I think that's the issue. Like it's too simple, but like, no, it

should be more like, should be more complicated, but

not really. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

I have nothing to say. Well, it can be complicated because right

now, you know, it's dark at 5:30 in the evening and

only gets light at 7 or something in the morning over here. So.

So the social clock, unfortunately is the same all year round. The solar

clock changes as we progress through the

seasons. And that has to, you know, you have to sort of think about that

a little bit. So. And it is quite. I mean, I struggle with it

myself a little bit. What to do in the morning. I get up at 6,

make my son breakfast and it's dark. So what am I gonna do about

my light environment? So what do you do?

Well, currently. Well, last year, last winter I was

being very, very

diligent about wearing my blue blockers and

using just this, for instance, this little beacon here. It's a no blue

beacon from your friends.

Friends at block blue light. But it's really handy this

and sort of not quite

finding my way in the dark but under these dim circles and then once the

sun comes up, getting outside

this winter, I'm not being as consistent or diligent, I have to say.

So I'm using one of those bulbs that emits at least a full

spectrum of visible light to kind of

replicate that light. Although I'm fully aware that

it's maybe not even a tenth as strong as

the sun's daylight, so it

won't have the same effect. But yeah,

I know of a great panel that I think you've had

him, Ken Seeder on the podcast. Yeah. So his

Solite photonutrition panel, I'm a big

fan because it's 13,000 lux,

powerful, full range, not just visible

balanced visible light, but also into the near infrared.

So, you know, almost as close to as about as close

to the sun as you can get from a tech device perhaps.

And then you can switch it into a red and infrared lamp

panel for therapy later

on. So I want to get myself one of them, but I haven't got around

to it. That would be the perfect for winter. That'd be perfect. Yeah,

those are great. And yeah, Ken Seder's lights are

great. It's a non profit organization and

he worked alongside John Ott back in the day. So

yeah, great product. I'm happy to support, support him. And, and I agree and

I love you explaining that because yes, you know, we, we, we have life,

we, our children go to school, we. There are certain things that,

I mean, I know people who have opted out completely and, and

run their own schedules and I have deep respect for that. But

not all of us have chosen to do that. But what I'm hearing you

say is that there are ways to make choices that are at least

keeping in mind the circadian aspects.

And so even if we can't at this

moment rearrange our schedule, we can not

look at our phone first, we can at least have a full spectrum bulb or

something. Approximating. Approximating

what we could be getting outside and.

Yeah, and I think it's. I really do encourage people to, you know, work with

a practitioner who understands this because. Cause there are nuances to it

and it's just so important. So that's the message. It

matters. It doesn't have to be perfect, and

it could be the best you can do. We don't have any purity

tests here. Whatever. Every small step counts.

Cracking your car window on the morning drive.

Putting on the blue blockers like you're wearing when you watch TV at

night. Like all these little things. All right, cool.

So thank you so much for that. I think you have given, like, a really

solid overview. I hope that all of the

husbands and boyfriends who are. And dads who are having this episode

shared with them feel seen. Okay.

You're. It's, you know, life is life and things happen.

So if you're not feeling or looking how you'd like to

be, there's lots of, lots of possibilities in the world

to do things differently and feel good.

And Rodrick's a great guide for that.

So. Okay, so tell me, you've been

waiting, haven't you? Yeah, I've been waiting. I'm like, okay, I've got to

cover them. We got to do the foundational pieces.

So you're just casually mentioning that you had your

biophoton emissions measured. Yeah. I

didn't know you could do that. Yeah, well, you can't just do it anywhere. I

was gonna say, what's going on in Prague?

Well, yeah, so

there I was watching a lecture in the Light

right now, the Guy Foundation. If you know anybody who wants to get into

this, it's. Maybe you're like

several levels advanced. Well, doesn't matter. Guy Foundation. The Guy

foundation is amazing. That. That is deep science, friends. So if.

If that's what you need, go there. If you need the deep science, go to

see. Go see the Guy Foundation. But, you know, you had

Bob Fosbury on. On recently. I just listened to his.

To the. You know, he's. I could listen to him hundreds of times. There's always

something you. But anyway, he was giving a lecture in the spring sort of

autumn series currently ongoing, on Light.

And introducing the talk was this

Czech researcher scientist called Dr.

Michael Tiffre. And I thought, bloody hell, he's here in Prague.

I should just reach out and contact him. And in that quantum

way, as it happened, well, I reached out to him on LinkedIn. Just say, hello,

are we connected, etc. And as it happened,

a Few weeks later, the Czech Academy of Sciences had its week

of open house for the Czech Academy of Sciences,

various locations. And the

Institute of Photonics and electronics, where Dr.

Sifra has his lab, had

also excursions and lectures there. So I

signed up free of charge. It was great. Let him know that I was coming,

that I'd say hello, you know, poor guy. And. Yeah, and so

I went to see, you know, what was put on for the public and I

knocked on his door and we got talking and I said, yeah, be really

cool actually, because his research is around

ultra weak photon emissions. That means the light that is

created in your body all the time,

what it's for, how to measure it, what it's good for, etc. And

trying to understand it. So that is a large part of his work. The rest

of his lab also is looking at how to use microwave

EMF to modulate. They're looking

particularly at microtube tubules in the cells. So that's very

interesting too. But anyway, he's

real expert on

ultra weak photonic emissions. Your own

biophotons. Right. So for people just joining

the party, our body actually emits light.

So that does tie back into how light is so important. I mean, we are.

It has been shown with. You can't see it with the naked eye, but

it has been shown that we are giving off

what is called ultra weak biophoton emissions. And

so this guy has a lab where he studies those. Exactly.

And yeah, and he's done some interesting papers and posters and research on the topic.

And I said, it'd be really cool, you know, at some point if I, if

I would be able to like measure my own biophotons. So he

said, well, yeah, okay, let's. Let's go and do it. So

I went into this. Yeah, it's absolutely cool. The guy is really nice as well.

So. Yeah, and

one of his research team took me into this dark room.

There was a big black box with a cuff, a sleeve,

black sleeve. She said, you know, put your hand in there. Then there's a

sensor, there's a place to rest your hand. And. Yeah, and so

they switched it on. And on the laptop next to me in some software, there

was literally this graph that was demonstrating how many

photons per second was coming off the skin of my hand.

It was about 30 to 40 photons per second. Wow,

it was so cool. That's so cool. We are

so cool. Humans are so amazing. Like what?

Well, I don't think it's just humans. I mean, mammals at Least do the same,

I'm sure. Biology in general, living

systems. So, so what are they

studying in terms of biophotons and do they have any

theories? Have they. You know, are there ranges

where they, like, oh, you have, you have lots of biophotons

emitting or less. Right. It's, it's. I don't think,

you know, the various work or the

labs around the world that are looking at this have got

as far as that. But Michal did say that

he's a few months away from developing a product where it

could be in a clinical setting at least, used to measure

biophotons. And because there's a correlation between the

amount of photons being released and

oxidative stress that it could be,

at least it would be one way of gathering data

to then see. Can measuring your biophotons

tell you anything about the level of oxidative stress

in the subject by way of explanation?

It's generally thought that the more photon emissions

that are cap. More photons you're emitting, the higher the

oxidative stress at that point in time,

at least. Because, of course, oxidative stress is present all the time and

it goes up and down. So potentially, and

I'm working with a longevity clinic here in Prague that,

so we'll be talking about this soon, is, you know, how could

this possibly be used as another advanced,

another advanced way of, you know, potentially

measuring via the chronic or the

oxidative stress in someone their biological

age as well? Because there are lots of different ohmics

and telomeres and that sort of thing. Perhaps measuring

your biophotonic emissions would have something would be

able to tell us something about that. So, you know, maybe Michael would

be something we could have on your, on your, on your podcast, actually. Yeah, no,

I'd love to. I was going to say, I got his contact info. Yeah.

Because. Yeah, the way I've heard it described is that as we

age, our cells leak light at a

higher rate and when we're young and healthy, we keep

it more, keep it inside of us and it's a little

tighter. Is that related? That's a very useful

shortcut for people who don't know about

what's going on at this level. Because I would say from

what I know, that is essentially true, but we're going back to the

mitochondria. That's why we start to get fat and irritable, sorry,

having cognitive decline and autoimmune and

cosmetic skin rashes and this sort of thing as we get older, because

more and more of the mitochondria in our cells are starting to

function less efficiently. And when they start to function as efficiently because they're

somehow damaged or the electron transport plane is blocked, then you get all

these electrons spinning, falling off and

reacting. Because oxygen is highly reactive. You know, if you've set fire to something with,

with a match, you know, oxygen is reactive, that is starting

to react with the molecules and proteins

and things that are around in the cell and in the mitochondria itself. So

there's. And this of course, damages the mitochondria and the cell and all the other

organelles and things inside the cell, which creates a chain reaction of more

and more of this happening, like fireworks. You can imagine it. So the more of

these start to do this, then you can reach a

threshold within the cell where the cell will actually then collapse. The

cell membrane will collapse and it'll spill out and start it all over again somewhere

else. And therefore it's like an avalanche of this oxidative

stress, as it's called. This. This.

Yeah, the oxidize oxidation of molecules in the cell.

And at some point, of course, cells make up tissues,

tissues make up organs, so it'll start affecting

the organs in which this is going on. So whether it could be a pancreas,

be it could a kidney, a brain, heart, et cetera.

So yes, so as we age, this happens naturally at a certain

speed. But as we've discussed, the

modern lifestyle actually has so many insults to our cellular

biology that actually we are. Now we talk about the

pandemic of obesity, of heart disease, etc. It's a pandemic of

accelerated aging simply. And it's, you know, you can see

this now that people are being diagnosed with cancers, unfortunately, at a younger

age, with all sorts of these chronic diseases

of lifestyle at younger and

ages, simply the way the rate that humans are

aging is accelerating. So instead of getting it at 60 or 70,

you're getting at 40 or 50, et cetera, or even younger.

And as this cellular, basically

fireworks build up inside you. One of

the ways we make this light is

when this oxidation process happens, you excite the electron into

a higher energy state and when it comes back to the lower energy

state, it releases a photon. So that's how they're made.

Most of them are absorbed within the body. But of course, if you're measuring the

skin, then you've got a chance of actually picking them up on a

specific special

thing, measuring device. But I don't know anything about the

engineering behind this, but which is What I did.

So that was a long answer. But yes, as we age, our

cells start to get less functional as well,

producing more, more light.

Incredible. Yeah, it's going to be, I think, very

interesting as our capacity to measure that

increases and understand the links between,

between all of this. That's, that's a practical,

real world use. But whatever, you know, for me the intellectual

challenge is not for me but for others to do. But I want to

understand it, thanks to their work, is what

is going on? Why are we producing this light? You know, what is it doing?

And you can hypothesize that because

we know that there are very many

molecules in our body that react to different spectra of light.

Then is this light

signaling to these other molecules in the near vicinity

at certain frequencies of light to do things? Is this

actually. The micro tubules actually

can channel the light so from one part of the cell to the other, from

one part of the cell to the other to the next cell through the body.

So it's doing something. It's not just there by accident.

So that's what I would really like to know, but hopefully I'll live

for this science to have been,

what's the word? Diligently and rigorously studied, maybe.

Yes, well, I think it's happening. I mean, I'm

been getting emails and finding new quantum biology

labs popping up all over the place. And this

lab, it probably doesn't use the term quantum biology, but that is what

they're doing. And I think that

investors are starting to see the potential in it

for technological innovations and

healing devices and so forth. So I have, I feel pretty

good, we're going to learn some really cool stuff in the next decade.

Yeah, yeah. And just by meeting

Michal, apart from measuring my photons, you know, he's just based on

a post I was doing about this experience, he sent me about eight or nine

really interesting papers to read about it. So, you know, and

then, you know, his lab runs monthly, I think,

lecture with other researchers in different parts of the world. So I've just, I'm

halfway through this amazing lecture by this, I can't remember his name.

I'm very sorry, sorry, sorry, sir, from Canada,

who's now research, you know, the first 20 minutes is all about,

you know, the quantum supposed and

already elicited discovered

quantum effects, you know, in biological systems. So you know, this

quantum effect of how, you know, elect light tunnels

within the, the, the, I can't

really call it now, but anyway, the leaf of a plant before it finds, you

know, that the to then attach to a

chloroplast. I don't know much about plants, but

anyway, so that. That seems to be. To demonstrate quantum

effects in that. It's just. It's

wonderful. Beautiful. That's amazing. Yeah, I'd love.

We'll track down that. We'll track down that video and put it in the

show notes because that sounds really cool.

Yeah, it is. We've reached a point, it

feels like, where we have just started to develop the

technology to measure these things. So it could have been

said theoretically, of course, there are quantum effects

running living organisms, running living systems. But

now we can actually. I mean, to my. What. From

what I understand, we can actually see it. It's been imaged

and it's. There is imaging of quantum tunneling that I

think was around 2019 or something. I don't know

if it was in a leaf, but the actual act of it. Okay,

I don't know about that. I thought the problem with quantum

effects is that the. The observer is part of the

quantum universe. So the observer impacts and

influences the thing that he's trying or she's trying to measure. So that's

a slight problem. Yeah, I don't really know how

we get around that, because the quantum universe seems to know. Even if

it's just a machine and there is no consciousness around, it still

knows it's getting measured, doesn't it?

Yeah, exactly. That's part of the problem. But. Yeah, well, Michal

himself, you know, the thing I used was quite an expensive bit

of kit, but he said there's another piece of

technology that they use for. To measure actually the

whole body. You have to sit there for five hours. But I've seen

images of it, and this is

even more expensive and complicated technology, but it exists.

If you need someone to sit there for five hours and measure photons,

I will do it. I'll be your guinea pig. You know, happy to. So.

Oh, that'd be great. Oh, I'm very excited to

know that we've got technology where we can start

gathering a lot of biophoton emission data.

So fun. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I should. I'll definitely

tell him, you know, about today's podcast and I'll

ask him if I can pass on his contact to you because he's. He would

be an interesting person to talk. Yeah, I'd

love to talk about him. What. Where the technology and

level of understanding is today. Yes.

Yeah. No, this has been so super fun. Is there anything you'd like to

add, Roderick, or any. Any last thoughts? We've

covered a lot of ground today. I feel like.

Well, what would I add? I mean, to the.

The male partners of your female audience, but also to the ladies who

are watching and to the gentlemen who are watching, I would say

that you don't have to understand all this in great detail.

You do need to have an interest a

little bit to a certain degree, to be open and receptive to

the things that, you know, you hear Meredith's

guests talking about week in, week out, because

what we have been, and I was for almost my entire life, you

know, trained to think that it's all about calories in, calories out,

move more, eat less. Whether it be weight loss or health or whatever it

might be you're striving to achieve in your health. It's not the whole

picture, and it's only when you actually change your perspective.

We're not steam engines. We have these trillions of

little things in us that actually

are far more complex and sophisticated than any kind of steam engine,

and they require certain things. And then when you start to. But again, the things

you do are actually quite reasonable. You know, it's getting out in the

morning sun, it's making sure you're getting some sunlight during

the day. It's about keeping a

steady bedtime, a consistent bedtime.

It's about, you know, making sure it's pitch black in your eye. They're not

crazy, crazy things. While they may well

be having quantum effects within you, you don't have to understand them

and you will see the difference. And, yeah,

so it's not too late. Never too late

to start. I love that

it is never too late and it makes a difference for most

people quite quickly. So thank you so much,

Roderick. And how can, how can people find

you? So, yeah, I post

pretty much daily on LinkedIn.

I spend a lot of time preparing posts and it's. Yeah, but I just

really enjoy it and I'm always learning new, fascinating stuff. I just feel I have

to share. And it's difficult for my audience because it's not always about what they

want, you know, losing fat or having more energy.

So that's my challenge. I have a lot of

nerds on. LinkedIn who love reading all your random stuff.

Yeah, well. Yeah, well,

yeah. Roderick Lambert on LinkedIn. I have a

links page, midlifemetabolichealth.com where they have

got a bunch of free resources you can get or sign up. There's

even a slightly oddball health quiz you might want to

try, see where you're at. It doesn't ask you most of the questions there.

You won't be asked at your GP or your doctor.

And I'm on Facebook and Instagram as well. Midlife Metabolic

Health. Roderick Lambert as well. And otherwise, you can

DM me through any of these platforms and I'll be very happy to have

a chat with you about anything at all, actually.

Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming on.

I very much enjoy your posts on LinkedIn, so thank you

for taking the time to do that and reading all this research and then

being able to talk about it in a way that those of us

who majored in English can understand.

If it's any consolation, I have a bachelor's degree in

music, so. And if I can understand it,

then anybody else can. Right? Yes. And that's.

And that's a great message. You know, this stuff is,

you know, getting right down into the weeds

can be a bit much, but there are some great takeaways that anybody can

understand if they choose to pay a little bit of

attention and listen to people like Roderick. All right, thank

you so much. We'll do it again. Thank you, Meredith. Yep.

Take care. Bye. Bye.