Welcome back to the Maya Games.

This is part 9 of 11 of 2026, the cosmic context.

This episode is being released the day ahead of our second eclipse of this season, Virgo Full Moon eclipse.

And we recorded it the day ahead of the first eclipse on February 17th.

So we recorded it on February 16th.

So this whole episode, from recording it to releasing it, has been my eclipse season.

And the episode itself has kind of an eclipse energy to it.

Eclipses, to me, they kind of feel

like we spin a wheel and all of the dust from the wheel comes up in the air and I am the dust particles, you are the dust particle.

Like life is a dust.

A bit of a dust storm, a

bit of torpedo tornado kind of energy in this period, and it will begin to settle following the eclipse tomorrow.

And yeah, what feels eclipsy about the convo between Caitlyn and I, aside from that it.

It literally happened leading up to an eclipse, and I edited it between eclipses and I'm releasing it the day before the final eclipse, is that the dirt, like the direction of the convo is very swirly.

It definitely didn't go how I anticipated it, which has been the case for really all of these convos.

They.

They've all been in experimentation and like, trying to find that sweet spot between mental strategic direction and channeling and flow and receptivity.

This one, it felt really good to have.

I really love a lot of what

we got to in it.

And also it.

It kind of felt like it had

these three different things being braided together.

So I'm going to offer them for

you in a linear orientation here in

the framing, and perhaps that'll feel like a helpful orientation in case the way that we go about it maybe is a little disorienting.

I don't think it's any less disorienting

than any of the other convos in this series.

But I'm just.

Yeah, we're in the eclipse energy right

now, so I feel a little extra shuffled up.

Anyways, there's kind of like three main

things that happen in this conversation.

One is kind of right away we start to go into this unexpected reflection on nodal transits of the past and how each of them led to the next and how each of them led to where we are now.

And then the second sort of thread of the convo gets woven in and out of that first thread, which is a nodal era reflection going back to 2020 especially.

But we talk a little bit about

the nodal axes ahead of 2020, even all the way back to nine years ago, the reverse of where the nodes will be this year.

This year we'll have south node in Leo, north node in Aquarius by the end of shifts mid year in July.

And our reflection kind of sort of starts with the opposite of that from when the south node was in Aquarius and the north node was in leo.

But we talk about things a lot more directly and with more depth and nuance starting at the 2020 nodes in Gemini and SAG.

And yeah, the second thread that I mentioned is us laying down a foundation of what even are the nodes and what are the eclipses and what are we talking about and what are we working with?

What aspect of the human experience are we working with when we're working with the nodes directly?

When we're calibrating to the nodes directly.

And I'd say the first hour of the convo.

So not the first hour of the podcast episode, because who knows how long this intro will be.

I have a handful of more things to say, but the first hour of the conversation between Caitlin and I is those, mainly those first two threads really reflecting on nodal eras past and laying down a foundation, clarifying, demystifying what even our eclipses, what are the nodes, what is happening as these two hands of the distortion clock, as I've begun to refer to it since this convo, move around the zodiacal wheel, the zodiacal clock.

I really love the nuance that Caitlin brings to this conversation in many moments, in many forms.

One that has really consciously stuck with me is the way that Caitlin orients to clearing distortion, being the role of these points, of these nodal points, of these intersecting points of our luminaries, hence the title Tick tock distortion clock.

So the first hour, although at no point do we say distortion clock that has been in the episode, that has been something that's been been coming through for me since we talked.

I've started to orient to the north node and the south node as these two hands of the distortion clock that

go around the wheel and backwards, the

diacal order clearing distortion.

And that was so much inspired by what Caitlyn and I were weaving together and the nuance specifically that Caitlyn was bringing into the conversation.

So yeah, the first hour is kind

of laying the foundation for how I came to this articulation TikTok distortion clock so that you all can understand the way that mine and Caitlin, the way that me and Caitlin orient to the nodes.

And then also throughout that first hour, we talk a lot about we do this like, yeah, backwards retrospective look at the TikTok distortion clock, at these nodal recalibrators going back, as I said, to 2020 and in some cases even a little bit before them.

So it's really laying the foundation to have to be in conscious process with the nodes.

So that then in the latter half

of the convo, as we look directly to the current nodal axis of Virgo Pisces and the one that the nodes shift into this year of Leo Aquarius, we're not just looking at these axes in isolation.

We're looking at them in the context of the last six, seven years especially, but also in the context of like, what are they in the sky?

How is this rooted physically in our experience on the planet, in the solar system, on earth, in our bodies.

So definitely an educational conversation in a

kind of a different way maybe than some of the other ones have been.

I always really love being conditioned by Caitlin's defined mind.

That's something I, I registered about Caitlin and essentially as soon as I met Caitlin in person several years ago.

Caitlin has a defined head in Ajna

and I, yeah, registered really immediately upon

interfacing with her in person that it.

I tend to feel really kind of relieved landing on her defined mind.

I really appreciate the way that her mental process and her mental awareness conditions me.

It actually feels quite grounding for me,

which, you know, I don't know that

I was terribly grounded during this conversation.

I recorded it just like 40 minutes after I recorded with Vince on Mercury

and it was, you know, leading up

to an eclipse and invoking the nodes.

Invoking eclipses is invoking a particular energy which is typically not the most grounded one.

So, yeah, I imagine that having what feels to me like the really steady ground of Caitlin's mind really served this conversation because as ungrounded as I feel to myself like I sound and listening back, I imagine that it would have been, yeah, possibly even more swirly without the presence of Caitlin's discernment and clarity and really fine tuned awareness.

Caitlin was the first person who I invited to be a part of this project.

And yeah, her excitement, her reassurance, her

mental clarity did a lot for me

in the early stages of gestating this direction for myself that has since consumed

pretty much my entire month of February

and some of January and going into March now.

So just want to thank Caitlin for her presence in this convo, for her contributions to the.

The even more distilled, even more attuned experience I'm now having with the nodes and the eclipses in real time now.

And yeah, just to her, the.

The sense of reassurance and resource and support that she's offered me in this project and.

And beyond in this last season of Life.

You know, there's.

We're all due as Caitlin and I

talk about, especially near the end of this convo, we get to some like really incredible places and discussing the Leo Aquarius nodes after a pretty long on ramp through the.

Oh, I never looped back to say yeah, the third thread of the things that are Braided Together.

I tried.

I was trying to make this linearly digestible for y', all, but instead I've gone off in several directions.

Okay, coming back together.

So there's three main threads here.

The first one being this retrospective on the hands of nodal time since 2020 especially.

The second being setting the foundation, kind

of like teaching a bit on how

we think about the nodes and eclipses.

And then the third, which happens in the second half of our convo.

So the last hour of the conversation is us really getting into what have these Virgo Pisces nodes been and how are we starting to feel into the next axis for distortion clearing Leo Aquarius.

And yeah, we get to some really,

really potent places with the Leo Aquarius nodes.

And one of the things that I'm feeling kind of upload in my system that feels very connected to the Leo Aquarius nodes thematically and what we get to in this conversation, as well as specific to how they show up in my chart in the ninth and the third is a project that for now I'm using the working name of Constellation Media for and vulnerable to share because I'm going to invite y' all to contribute to it financially if you'd like to, if you feel moved to without telling you exactly what it is, which is hard for me because my tendency, my compulsion is to over explain.

But I'm experimenting right now with.

I'm trying to give my body the chance to be in a different experience of resource exchange or one that perhaps is aligned with a facet of my potential experience that is yet kind of untapped, which is being resourced to initiate, being resourced to be a visionary and what I'm wanting to experience.

And no one is obligated to partake in this experiment with me.

But what I'm interested in letting my body explore is the experience of receiving resource, that is no strings attached, receiving information investment from folks who believe in my work, believe in my voice, believe in my visions, believe in the community that tends to coalesce around me and my work and allow that resource to fuel wherever I am in my creative process.

I feel very close to having some clear, messageable details about a project that I want to do in 2026 and beyond, a project that I think will begin in 2026 and hope possibly question mark, ripple far beyond this year.

But for now, I just want to tell you that I'm using the working name Constellation Media.

It's something that has been brewing in me for years, like a lot of years, depending on which angle you're looking at it from.

And it's going to take shape in some form or another this year, no matter what, possibly within the next like month or so.

That's what it kind of feels like,

but it also does feel resource dependent for me.

Often, oftentimes I, I feel like I'm.

I get in a loop of what

feels consciously like I don't know if

this is actually what's happening, but the story I have around it is that I have to kind of pause my most organic process, my most organic creative process to, to come up with an offering that will resource me.

And I'm wanting to explore, just asking to be resourced for the thing that's already brewing and without having to feel like indebted or like I owe anything specific.

You know, I'm just trying to get to, I think, the next phase of my trust in my process as a manifester and my trust as, as a part of a whole and being a person that initiates a lot of containers and structures for the experimentation of many voices and maybe con many contributors.

So yeah, I'm like trying to challenge

myself not to say too much more

about it because I want to honor the process that I'm in and the fact that where I'm at right now

is mostly still a very internal, insulated process and I don't want that many outside ears and eyes on the specifics of it at this moment.

But I do want to invite anyone who feels no obligation at all, but just a sense of generosity.

If you feel like you've been moved by my work, by my podcast projects throughout the year, by my teachings, if you feel the impact, if you feel the invisible rearrangement of yourself that has been a result of some of what I've put out there.

I want to encourage you, if you'd like to, to resource me.

If you feel excited about that, you can go to a page on my website that is unlinked so you do to type it into your browser.

Kelseyrosetort.com Constellation Media where you can see a menu of eight options for financial assists you can throw my way.

I just picked eight numbers across a pretty wide range starting at $20.

So yeah, if you have $20 or more and you want to resource a cool new creative coalition independent network that is at the intersection of media art and spiritual teaching.

Kelseyroseart.com Constellation Media let's see what happens here is an opportunity for you to acknowledge that you are a part of the grid work happening here and pull that into physical form should you feel called and just yeah, an abundance of appreciation in advance for anyone who is going to even consider reaching out and

touching me in that way and aiding

in the momentum of what's brewing within me and in my community.

There are other ways to add to the momentum to signal your appreciation that

are also incredibly valued.

I've named some of them before I will briefly name again.

There's ratings and reviews of the podcast.

There's if you want to make yourself known to me, which I always enjoy, a non anonymous pat on the shoulder.

You can reach me on social media.

You can tag the Maya games.

You can tag me so I can see how you're thinking about these episodes.

You can leave comments on Spotify, you can come to the Patreon even if you're not a paid patron and you can find the folder that says 2026 the cosmic context.

Or sorry, it's called a collection, not a folder and you can leave comments on the discussion post.

There's if you are a paid patron, you also have access to the Discord where there's a channel called 2026 the cosmic context where you can share your reflections and thoughts.

And yeah, if you don't want to make a one time contribution via kelseyrosetort.com Constellation Media towards the vision and towards my process and my rest and my gestation and my initiation.

You can also become a patron if I have a five dollar a month tier that's just gesture of reciprocity and then the $15 a month tier is the lowest one where there's some resource exchange.

All right, enjoy this conversation with Caitlin.

Happy eclipsing to you all.

I will see you on the other side as the dust settles.

I've got Caitlyn here.

Hi Caitlin.

Hi Kelsey.

It's not really a welcome back for me today because this is my one day that's marathon recording.

Vince and I did Mercury this morning

and now we're jumping into the nodes

so I'm feeling very like there's an eclipse in my third house tomorrow in a podcast storm you're the first person that I invited onto the series, and the nodes are, like, always the thing.

I'm tend to feel most calibrated too.

So, yeah, I think it'll feel.

I'm hoping it'll feel.

I think it'll feel very natural to just feel into the nodes with you.

How are you feeling today?

I'm so good.

Thank you for having me.

I'm really excited.

I've been looking forward to this for a couple weeks now.

You've been looking forward to it the longest.

Except for me.

Yeah.

When the idea was a wee little seed, I found myself reaching out to Caitlin and being like, I think this is gonna happen.

Do you want to.

I was like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Let's do it now.

And.

And then we also, like, placed you for this episode, like, really late in the process, as in we chose the nodes.

Oh, yeah.

For you.

Yeah, kind of.

I was kind of hanging out, waiting to see what felt right amidst the planetary placements.

Yeah.

We could have done a lot of different ones together, but the nodes is what endured through our process, and I find myself on the verge of launching into what might be significant about the nodes this year for you.

So let's maybe back up and introduce you a bit.

Just now, I was finding myself leaning towards introducing you re your actual astrology and maybe design.

Sure.

Yeah, yeah.

That's the first thing I was thinking of when you were mentioning the nodes.

I was also thinking, oh, yeah.

The reason I'm excited to talk about the nodes is that it feels really relevant to my astrology because I'm a Leo rising.

So the eclipse that's happening later tonight as we record this is happening in my seventh house, and that axis is my first and seventh.

So that feels really loud.

I'm a Scorpio sun.

I have a whole Scorpio stellium down there.

In the fourth house, I have a Pisces moon.

It's hanging out in Pisces with my Jupiter

natal nodes.

You want to say your natal nodes?

Yeah.

I have north node in Aries, south node in Libra, and the ninth and the third.

So, yeah, I feel you on that third house.

Ninth house.

Yeah.

That's cool.

I'm just tracking that for the first time.

My upcoming nodal transit is your natal nodes.

Well, great.

You will be a resource to me over the next year and a half, which I already knew.

Yeah.

My nodal.

My nodal.

I had two nodal returns now, and they have been very significant in my life, like, major shifts, obviously, worldview.

Spirituality, community, all kinds of things.

So, yeah, I think that's probably most of my astrology that's relevant, I guess.

Well, I also have Saturn in sag.

That's what I was just looking at that too.

And you just graduated your opening Saturn square.

Congratulations.

Thank you.

Don't shoot the messenger, but I actually feel like I didn't enjoy my Saturn square, but it wasn't as bad as I thought that it would be.

And I feel like I really settled in to the lessons that I learned during my Saturn return.

So for all the Saturn in cap folks out there who are starting their opening Saturn square, I do think there's hope the check in can be affirming as opposed to just a crisis.

You're saying all of this in part because you just finished listening to me and Aaliyah be excited about my Saturn square.

Totally, totally.

Yeah.

I mean, it was also my sad.

My sari sati, because I have the

moon in Pisces, and I'm past that, but I remember that.

Right.

But again, I had a little bit of the astrology knowing too much dread about that transit.

And then it turned out to.

I mean, there were a lot of difficult things about it, but it wasn't as.

Wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

Yeah, cool design.

Yeah.

I am a sacral generator in human design.

I'm a six, two profile.

I have guilt, motivation and personal view.

I have a lot of defined centers.

I have basically everything defined except my solar plexus and my throat got like eight channels, I think.

Wow.

Yeah.

Actually I was meant to tell you this.

I have.

I have five individual.

Is it two tribal and one collective or one tribal and two collective?

Something like that.

But hold on.

Individual.

I want to count them because I want to know because it's so similar to mine and I hadn't tracked that with you.

So we can.

We can edit whatever of this isn't relevant.

But okay, so total, you have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

And then 3, 1, 2.

Yeah, three of the integration.

So eight.

I have eight.

I know hardly anyone who also has eight.

So this is exciting.

And then, okay, so you've Got Collective, the 634 defining your head in Ajna.

Collective, the 5818.

So a fellow judgmental.

Yes.

And then you've got.

It looks like one tribal.

Is that what you said?

Yeah, I think one tribal, the channel of surrender.

And then you've got these three integration channels.

34, 57, 57, 10 and the 3410, plus the channel of struggle 3828 and

the 142 from the sacral to the garage.

Yeah.

So five, five individual, two collective, one tribal.

Okay, cool.

That was a pretty thorough.

I think look at your design Cross of defiance, if anyone's wondering.

So Caitlyn's a six two, I'm a five two.

So we got a couple left angle cross hermit bodies.

That always feels relevant to me.

And what about.

Yeah.

Is there anything that you feel like sharing that might be relevant to kind of like lay a foundation for who people are tuning into in regards to how you work with astrology in general, what your relationship is to history.

Relationship, whatever feels relevant re astrology and or human design and the two of them together.

And I'm kind of just feeling into like.

Yeah, what are you using from these systems as you look ahead at the year?

And what's your relationship to looking at time this way?

Sorry, those are really broad questions.

It's a lot.

No.

Do you want to talk about your relationship to astrology and human design?

Yes.

Okay.

So I've been like a lot of people.

I think I found astrology during like early pandemic days.

Trapped at home and scrolling a lot.

And I started taking classes.

I probably didn't start taking classes for a year or two.

Like I think it was 2022 or so when I started taking classes.

And I'm at the end of the third year of Austin Coppock's Fundamentals of Astrology course.

And before that I took classes from you.

I took classes from a few other people.

And then I got into human design a little bit after that and took some like I took Lyd with you through.

I think I already had most of it before I did the Venus.

The Venusian Revolution container.

So funny because very similar origin to Vince, who I recorded with today and which will be the episode preceding this.

I met you both at.

In aura.

Yeah.

And then like 5ish six months later, you joined the Venus Fan, which wasn't entirely about but included Lyd, but you were at Inora before that.

So you were already in your.

I was already in my experiment.

I think I had been in my human design experiment for about a year, maybe a little less.

You gave me my very first human design reading, which was like an astrology human design combo.

But then I was sort of just absorbing material on my own for about a year.

And then I went to Inaura, which was such a huge initiation that I feel like I learned many years worth of things through that experience.

And yeah, I got deeper into it in your Venus van container.

And then we've talked about this before, but just to put some context, after that container, I think I continued studying human design for a few months maybe, but then I really set it down and I didn't look at anything human design related for at least a year.

And that was part of.

That was still part of my experiment.

The way that I think of it now, like, I just really needed to take the mental fixation out of it, especially considering, like being sacral.

The idea is to like follow that without, you know, specific awareness, without using mental awareness.

And so, yeah, I actually really.

I think I learned just as much in that year not studying and not thinking about it.

Yeah, very personal view.

Sixth line.

Sex 6, 2.

Sacral led experimentation.

And yeah, just we had a really cool in depth conversation about this on the second ever episode of Quality Time.

So folks who have access to that, if that intrigues you, how Caitlin was like deepening her experiment while not at all thinking about human design.

Yeah, that conversation exists.

Yeah, but.

But it's great now to have to be able to dive back into both.

And you know, the way that I really enjoy studying astrology too, and like, I use it in my daily life, but kind of in like a.

Almost in like a playful way.

Like, I really enjoy like just naming the astrology that I see popping up in my life.

Just the way that I'm living it, whether it's watching my kids or my partner, whether it's like things that happen to my friends, just stuff that's going on in my life.

I really enjoy like being able to be like, oh, there's Mars, oh, there's Venus.

Like, that's really fun.

I think that's.

And I do have some planetary devotional relationships with planets.

I found that to be a really lovely way of just a lens to look at the world through.

So that's part of my practice.

And I do give astrology readings mostly just by request.

And I enjoy that too.

I really enjoy helping people see their astrology.

And if you want to listen to the Quality Time episode that also talks a little bit about how I think about astrology and human design together.

But I mostly think of both of them as just different ways of attuning.

Think of astrology as attuning to the planets.

I think of human design as attuning to your own body.

And I think they work really well together.

Love that.

Yeah.

Cool.

Okay.

I started, I guess, because we've invoked the nodes as you were talking about your journey with astrology and Coming into these systems and we, we mentioned in aura I have like some of the few notes that I made on the nodes is I did.

You saw it because I shared it with you.

This little like I made myself a nodes in recent history list so I could just remind myself of the time periods.

I just, I fucking love the nodes.

And they're like one of the main things that I'm always attuning to as I look at medium picture astrology.

Like it's not in the minutia unless we're in an eclipse, right?

And it's not so big picture because the nodes take about a year and a half to shift from one axis to the next.

It's very like middle layer astrology to me, like midterm length, which is where I really like to live.

Which perhaps is because I'm Jupiterian, perhaps not Jupiter rising.

I mean Jupiter's a medium midtone, as I call it.

Yeah, I like the midtone transits because I have the time to really witness them and be with them and notice them in a way that the upper tones, Venus, Sun, Moon, Mercury, even Mars, they move too fast for me to feel like I'm really digesting what's happening.

And then of course the lower tones, the outers move so slow.

So I find a lot of sweetness in Saturn, Jupiter nodes as defining a time and defining the kairos of any given period.

So all of that to say I pay attention to the nodes a lot.

And I've been having fun in the last few days looking at, just thinking back what the nodal story has been because I would say so I first started paying attention to the nodes the last time they were in Leo in Aquarius, which started in May, May of 2017.

So this upcoming nodal transit is.

I'm going to circle back to things I noticed in nodal transits per your story.

But I guess I'm zooming out and just looking at the nodes in the last nine years because that's what I'm feeling drawn to.

And one of the things I was reflecting on leading up to this convo.

So this upcoming nodal transit of south node and Leo north node in Aquarius will be the nodal opposition of when I first started paying attention to the nodes.

Personally, about two years into studying astrology, I was looking at the nodes, but I don't remember having a lot of conscious awareness of what that Leo Aquarius nodal transit was.

I just remember clocking that my first time really paying attention to eclipses.

The nodes were in those signs and then cancer cap one that followed that starting November of 2018, pretty similar to when Uranus entered Taurus.

And for me, that was second eighth house.

And that was like there was a lot of shifting around my relationship to money and income.

So I was leaving teaching around then.

And I left my final teaching position.

I finally told my boss, who was also my friend, which is why I procrastinated telling her.

I finally told her, Natalie, if you're listening, shout out.

On the day of a South Node eclipse in my second house is when I was finally like, I am leaving teaching.

So those cancer cap ones, I was really paying attention.

And that's when I first started really noticing themes in the collective consciousness too.

Like emotional boundaries and emotional labor were themes that were coming up a lot as we were experiencing the north node in Cancer.

And then we had the Gemini sag nodes, which began in May of 2020.

So right after the pandemic.

So there's a lot here.

I'll pause here before we go into.

This is kind of fun.

Does this feel good?

Do a little reflection on the last before.

Okay.

So then we got into Gemini sag, which is significant for a lot of reasons.

This is when you're discovering and really starting to study astrology self study mode.

This is so May 4th is when they moved.

This was just a little bit into pandemic land.

Right.

And like you said, a lot of people got online, got more online North Node in Gemini and started to learn this shit.

And a lot of like dogma started to show up in the collective psyche.

South Node and sag.

And so I think that period was so significant for me, so distinct for me.

I mean it was distinct on the planet.

It's really distinct for me.

The south node being in SAG is the south node in my first on my Moon square my natal nodes.

It was during that transit that we had a huge house fire in our apartment in Chicago, which Budway's a Leo rising.

So it was his fifth.

Like it was yours.

And the fire was in his music studio.

And he lost thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars worth of music equipment.

South node and a fire sign in the fifth.

But that's also where the nodes were when I moved here.

And I've talked about so many times already on this series, like Move to the desert where my relocated chart is a Scorpio rising, where I'm on my Pluto line.

And just like shadow work, shadow work, ego death, ego death.

And that all began with the south node in SAG on my Moon in my first House squaring my natal nodes.

So that was like a really just personally very intense time for me.

And if I think back collectively, this was like right after George Floyd was murdered or right before the nodes moved, I think.

Would there have been an eclipse?

Like.

Yeah, right away.

Because during Gemini season.

So right when the nodes moved, we would have had our first eclipses.

And then.

Yeah.

The north node of Gemini, all the studying, all the learning, you were having this experience, this very north node in Gemini.

Experience of learning.

Shit.

Right, yeah.

So.

Yeah.

And then another thing I noticed.

But I'll pause to go back and we can.

Yeah.

Invite your reflections too.

But I noticed you attended in aura in November of 2023, which was shortly after.

No, no, no, wait a second.

Was it 2023 or was it 2022?

Oh, was it 2022?

Okay, I only.

No, you're right, you're right.

It was Scorpio eclipses.

Yeah, there was a Scorpio eclipse like the day we arrived, which was also my birthday.

That's right.

A very.

Yeah.

Wild time.

Okay, but Aries Libra.

So that noble return would have been like while we were doing Venusian revolution.

Yes, exactly.

Okay, exactly.

Yeah.

Okay, so rewind, rewind, rewind.

Gemini sag nodes.

We're all locked at home.

There's lots of protest, lots of dogma being unveiled and you're learning astrology and

lots of different types of online spaces in those.

Like online community spaces, like 11th, like Gemini 11th house issues.

I have Chiron there, so that didn't go that well for me.

And what's that?

And Lilith and.

Yeah, exactly, you got those.

There's two ouchie honeys there.

Yes, exactly.

Yeah, well.

And what I think I learned in my actual nodal return was sort of assimilating everything that I had been going through since the Gemini sag eclipses and nodes, which was that even though I thought that I had left behind my parents version of very missionary oriented evangelical Christianity and become much more materialist and science based, that dogma still happens in those spaces, in fact just as much.

And that it's not the lack of spirituality.

Well, that having a lack of spirituality doesn't actually make you less dogmatic.

Yeah.

And that that meant that I could actually have a spirituality again because I could let go of both types of dogma and embrace like my own vision of my life, my worldview, my.

My perception of the world as containing magic and like oneness and unity.

But I could do it in a way that felt authentic to me.

Like north node and Aries, my own personal version of that.

That's interesting and kind of speaks to aspect relationships or non aspect relationships through transits or natal placements.

The calibration that you were experiencing during Gemini Sag nodes didn't actually really start to fully assimilate in some kind of visible way until the nodes were two signs away, sextiling rather than non aspecting.

So that'll maybe be a pattern that we can bring back in when we catch up to now and look at Virgo Pisces nodes and Aquarius Leo nodes and what themes they've maybe helped us to assimilate.

Or we'll be calling back from recent nodal transits.

Yeah.

So then Taurus Scorpio nodes began January 18th of 2022.

Yeah, I just always feel so connected to the nodes.

I meant to say this earlier.

I'm ruled by Jupiter square, my natal nodes.

So an evolutionary astrological principle that has always resonated and stuck with me is this idea of having a planet square to your nodes natally is referred to as a skipped step.

And it gives you more of a nodal chart because the nodes are in opposition.

That's Saturn's aspect.

I think on their own they kind of just represent this more dull long term polarity ache.

But when you have a square that brings in the energy of Mars, that's Mars's aspect.

So there's this constant agitation that requires you to have to resolve that dollar thing.

Do you have a skip step?

I don't even know as I'm saying this.

No, you don't.

I don't.

I don't think so.

My notes are almost averse.

Yeah, you have Neptune by sign and square, but I don't know what evolutionary astrology would say about that.

But I wouldn't call that a skip step.

But yeah.

So my chart ruler is square my nodes fairly tightly within 2 degrees.

I think it's 2.

Yeah.

So yeah, my Virgo Pisces nodes are like right here and they're being brought out and pinged constantly by Jupiter in my seventh, which is my chart ruler.

So I think that's part of why I'm very attuned to the nodes because I'm just very attuned to polarity, which I also sometimes see as my undefined Ajna being at the top of my not self hierarchy.

That binary dualistic thinking is final boss energy for me.

So that's part of why I'm so calibrated to the binary.

And so now that I've reconciled my own relationship with it through a long period of deconditioning.

Now that's like a gift of mine actually is to see where binary is getting in the way as I'm being conditioned by other minds.

Yeah.

So anyways, these are all things that I think about and this side quest happened because I was talking about how I remember feeling really so clearly that South Node in sag, North Node in Gemini storyline, like not just for me, but this excess of dogma in North Node in Gemini, this amplification of multiple truths and like the too muchness.

The North Node signifies too muchness as much as the South Node just kind of in a different orientation.

And like all these voices on the Internet telling us that there were right ways to blah, blah, and how like that all that many ness of Gemini became.

Also became a reflection of the dogma of like shadow SAG and South Node and sag.

And then.

Yeah, and then we got South Node in Scorpio, North Node in Taurus, as I mentioned, starting January of 2022.

And I remember feeling into it as it was starting and throughout as like the South Node dogma, South Node SAG dogma, and the release of that was making way for this release with the South Node in Scorpio of an obsession with our pain and our suffering by way of welcoming in this amplification of Taurus pleasure and softness and feel good Venusian energy.

And how it was because of a lot of dogma, like Sagittarian shadow dogma, that we felt like we weren't allowed to enjoy our life because it's like not fair, politically incorrect or whatever, because of political ideology or whatever, religious ideology.

So I'm sure there's many different ways that one could orient to that.

But I remember with the window I had, which was largely through what seemed to be 11th House allies on social media, I saw a lot of pressure to show up a certain way with the South Node in SAG and an awareness coming more online of how much was being guided by Sagittarian dogma.

And then I saw with the South Node in Scorpio an awareness, especially with our generation of Pluto and Scorpio folks, an awareness of how much we tend to stay in victimhood and stay in suffering in part because of that dogmatic Sagittarian shadow approach.

Yeah, I think I saw the same thing.

And it was slightly confronting.

As somebody who has a lot of placements in Scorpio, we like to.

We like to pat ourselves on the back for being able to stay, stay with the hard.

But then we forget that we actually have to Move through it and out of it and back into an embodied experience.

Like in a place where pleasure exists and joy exists.

And.

Yeah, I think there was a lot happening too.

I mean, Uranus and Taurus too.

Yeah, I think the Venus retrograde in Leo happened during that time too, which would have been squaring the nodes.

Yeah, it was a lot.

But, yeah, it's interesting.

I like the way you're talking about that.

The shift from SAG into Scorpio, sort of of the connection between those two.

Yeah, it's like one of the places that I think I've just always felt the most.

Or I don't even know if this is actually true.

I was gonna say, I think it's one of the places I've always felt the most organic.

Like, through line.

Like, I see one nodal transit setting us up for the next.

And then I question myself because I'm not sure actually if I see as much of a connection after that.

But I do really distinctly remember feeling how the Gemini SAG nodes moved into the Taurus Scorpio.

I mean.

Yeah, I think.

I mean, just like, personally, because it was then moving into my nodal axis,

which, let's say north node in Aries, south node in Libra began in July of 2023.

Yeah, yeah.

And.

And like I said, for me, that was a lot about spirituality and worldview and things like that.

But it was also the resonance of the way you talk about Chiron in Aries as well, that releasing the need to always compromise to find harmony at all costs.

That Libra, like, oh, no, we must sacrifice ourselves for the sake of our community.

Like, that spoke really clearly to me, I think because of that nodal axis and where it is in my chart, that 3, 9 axis.

And so it was really about not just like, embracing my own version of spirituality, my own version of the way I see the world, the way that it filters through my body, the way, you know, the.

The sacral resonance of the way I need to move.

But it was also kind of like, I think for a Scorpio stellium, we like to kind of hide who we really are.

And not necessarily in a disingenuous way, but just not everyone gets to know

us in a discerning way.

Yeah, it usually is discerning, but I think that that can get too.

We can fall into that trap too much.

And I think that there's a deep desire to be known.

There's a desire especially, like, I have Venus conjunct Pluto on my IC in Scorpio, and so there's a deep desire for intimacy.

And someone with that placement, like myself, might feel like intimacy can't really happen until someone has fully gone to the underworld with me and can see to the depths of my soul or, like, been with me in the dark night of the soul.

Soul.

And so in order to find that intimacy, you actually have to show someone who you are.

Like, they don't know who you are unless you allow them to see that.

And I think that north node in Aries pulled that out of me, showed me that I need to actually be.

Walk through life as that person instead of just keeping it so hidden.

The Aries.

The Aries thing is, I am.

I exist here.

I am.

But then you actually have to be that.

You don't get to just have it hidden away forever.

So.

Yeah.

And sometimes that means a loss of harmony or a loss of that Libra.

Like, I'm gonna like people, please and make everybody else happy.

But I think the south node moving into Libra clears out the distortion of that.

It clears out that need to have harmony at all costs.

And.

Yeah, okay, I lost it.

No, yeah.

There's a bunch of threads here.

So one thing that keeps coming up that I didn't.

This just came up.

This wasn't planned.

And through this kind of historical.

Recent historical look at the nodes, we're getting a journey that's leading us to.

We're kind of mid.

Reflecting on Aries Libra right now, which is the one before Pisces Virgo, which is where we are.

And then we're getting into Aqua Leo.

So this maybe feels like a good time to pause and set some more nodal foundations.

Perhaps that's one possible direction to go, is like.

Like, okay, let's zoom out, or zoom in, I don't know, to the nodes.

And what is the southern.

What is the north node?

But the other thread that's really here, which maybe we'll put this down and come back to it, is when you first mentioned that your Aries Libra nodal return was where you were really integrating a lot of the Gemini SAG stuff that we started talking about.

And then I brought up.

Oh, right.

Like when you get into the same element nodal axes, their sextiling, so you're kind of having your first look back at and then applying.

So all of that to say the stuff that's coming up through this reflection of the Aries Libra is both.

Well, one of the things that was coming up for me is through releasing south node in Libra, through releasing this Facade or over, emphasis on harmony.

These Libra qualities, Libra emphases, we are able to finish up or calibrate to the next steps of the release of dogma.

That came two signs before it with South Node and sag.

That's a lot of what I was feeling into is like that Aries Libra axis was like, we got to see perhaps how our orientation to Libra, things like justice, balance, harmony, equity, our relationship to Libra, to all those themes, were actually built upon outdated dogmatic ways of doing the SAG thing of understanding meaning.

And so as the South Node was moving through Libra, the stuff in our orientation to Libra justice, balance, that was based on this icky version of SAG dogma, religious dogma, scientific dogma, whatever kind of dogma that SAG release was a foundation for what was released in our orientation to justice and balance with South Node in Libra.

So I'm not speaking that clearly, but I was feeling into that thread and then I just wanted to pause there too and just note that that stuff, that release that was facilitating during South Node in Libra is a sextile setup then for what we're about to move into with the South Node in Leo.

So I don't have any like, like fresh thoughts on that at the moment, but I just wanted to share that kind of map, the way it's showing up in my head as we're doing this reflection.

Yeah, I mean, I think we'll get into the Leo Aquarius axis more a little bit later.

But I will say, just as a pin for later, that as I've been filling into the Leo Aquarius axis, all I keep thinking about is the Aries Libra axis, because, number one, because it's my nodal axis, Natalie.

But I think that's also why.

And it's that combination of fire and air.

Yeah, there's a lot of resonance, I think, there between those two axes.

And I think that sextile relationship is really important and I do think it connects them.

Yeah.

So I think in this reflection that we've accidentally started now, what would make sense to do next is, okay, so what has Virgo Pisces been?

How does that build upon what we've been talking about?

Maybe really explicitly, perhaps how does that unfold from the last Earth Fire or, sorry, Earth, Water, one of Taurus and Scorpio.

And though I think maybe before that, because Virgo Pisces is so relevant to the bulk of what we're going to talk about.

And then Aqua Leo.

I'm wondering about setting down like two sort of foundations.

Well, one's a foundation and one's a framing.

So a foundation of, like, what are we talking about when we talk about the nodes?

Like, why are we using some of the keywords and orienting the way we are and then framing maybe like at some point bringing in the timeline.

So talking about what's significant, timing wise, this year with these nodes, which I guess for the most part, I can just say right now is that we have Virgo Pisces nodes right now.

We have since January of 2025, and they change signs officially into Aquarius and Leo this summer, July 26th.

And then we have Aquarius Leo nodes until the spring of 2028.

So there.

That part's done.

But there is some, like, minutiae around the timing because as you mentioned, we have our first.

First eclipse in Aquarius Leo tomorrow.

So even though we don't actually have those nodes until the summer.

Yeah.

We do have our first nodal recalibration in this axis right now.

And maybe like.

Yeah, maybe if we do a little bit of foundation setting on.

What are we even talking about with the nodes and why do they matter?

That'll kind of clarify some of that.

Does that feel.

Guilt motivation?

Does that feel like a good.

Yeah, I think it's a good idea to frame the nodes.

I mean, I feel like we've maybe been talking about them for a long time on this recording so far without framing them, but I think it's never too late.

Yeah.

Okay, so nodes.

So.

Yeah.

Do you want to start?

Like, how do you.

How do you work with the nodes?

What do you think about the nodes?

What are you thinking about when you're thinking about the nodes?

The nodes are so wild to me.

Well, I mean, number one, it's the relationship between the sun and the moon.

If we're talking, like pure technicality.

Right.

It's the place where every single month we get lunations.

We get a new moon and a full moon, but those lunations are not eclipses because the sun and the moon are not at the same place.

What do we call that?

Declination.

Declination.

Yeah.

And I'm trying to find a better word that's less technical.

But it's like the, like the elevation of.

It's like X axis and Y AIs.

Right.

Like, and I can never remember which is X and which is Y.

Do you know?

No, but.

So there's like the horizontal axis.

Yeah.

I mean, this.

I think that's X.

Okay.

So X is like the zodiacal movement that we measure from one degree of the zodiac to the next, to the next, to the next.

Yes.

But the planets are also.

They also have this vertical movements.

And declination is the astrological or astronomical or both term for that vertical movement.

So.

Yeah.

I'm sorry to interrupt.

Yeah.

No.

So then when they're finally at the same place, up and down, wise.

Declination.

Wise.

And a new moon or a full moon happens.

Boom.

That's when an eclipse happens.

So it only happens.

Usually it happens in groups of two or three lunations twice a year.

And because we.

They kind of keep the sun as the.

Well, it's the central organizing force of the solar system.

It's the lunar declination up and down that sort of determines that, like where they intersect.

But they've been.

You know, people have been studying the nodes for as long as people have been studying the sky.

So there are many different narratives, mythologies, stories about the nodes, the head and the tail of the dragon, Ketu and Rahu.

Tons of interesting and helpful frameworks for studying the nodes.

But I think in all cases, we can say pretty universally that they're considered not entirely agents of chaos, but certainly places of full, like wild card situations.

Like, we don't really know what's gonna happen when the nodes are involved in something.

Yeah, I think anytime the nodes are involved, we get some.

Yeah.

Some unknown variables.

And I really like the way that you have framed it in the past.

These places of karmic recalibration, we're clearing away with the South Node.

We are recalibrating, reorienting to things with the north node.

And.

Yeah, I think different types of astrology orients to those in different ways.

A lot of modern or evolutionary astrologers would say we are completely releasing anything to do with the South Node, and we're really grasping or hungering for what's in the north node.

And I think there are.

There are traditional ways of thinking about that.

This in the same way.

That was a great setup.

Thank you.

Thank you for using the words karmic recalibration, too.

Because I do want to say both for myself to help me relax and not feel like I have to teach an entire lesson on the notes right now.

And also for listeners who might be wanting an entire lesson on the nodes, I do have a workshop called Karmic Recalibration.

That's like the one time I really sat down and taught the nodes, which I guess it's not really the one time because I also did it every time I taught My long form course, astrology for yourself, but it's the one that's accessible and it was right at this moment where the nodes had just shifted from Gemini, Sagittarius, Taurus, Scorpio.

So I remember that was the current Kairos unfolding that I talk about there.

But I also talk about a lot of the stuff Caitlin just mentioned into like the technical aspects of it to help ground it into like what's actually happening in the sky and why does it matter?

So that exists and it's included already in the archive that's on my Patreon.

So even just if you want to just join for one month at $15, you can have access to that.

Okay.

And yeah, I really like the way you were phrasing like it's agents of chaos.

We don't know what's going to happen.

Karmic recalibration is one of the phrases I've used a lot for it.

Another one that I think about is like, they're like a exists from God is how I sometimes think about it.

Like we need this big directional.

I've heard people refer to nodes as like the karmic current.

Right.

What's her name?

Judith Hill.

I reference a lot with the nodes.

I learned a lot from her about it.

And she calls it like the karmic current.

The south node is what's going out, the north node is what's coming in.

And it's this really big like zap in a.

In a new direction in the events, the moments that the zapping actually tends to happen, the new directions make themselves apparent or the old directions remove themselves from the menu.

Those tend to happen during eclipses.

Right.

Because the sun and the moon are the bodies, the lights, the sources of light, consciousness, awareness that are actually bringing that more background nodal influence to us in a more felt way.

But the actual recalibration is happening on a, I don't know, sometimes more subtle, sometimes not so subtle level.

The entire year and a half long transit of the nodes through a pair of signs which via personal application is going to be in a pair of houses.

Right.

So that's part of what's been so useful to me about the nodes so far.

We've talked about it.

Re like what's the vibe shift in awareness that's happening collectively and that is, I would say, zodiacally based.

But how it's showing up in our lives and the particular karmic recalibration and trajectory, zap and assist from God we're getting with our new direction that's going to to be much more evident in a personal context as it applies to our house.

So plug for ascendant assemblies.

But yeah, this assist from God piece is like everything that gets karmically zapped in a new direction.

A new direction that comes online or an old one that becomes no longer accessible to us during eclipse seasons and during nodal transits.

It's like always for the best, but in a way that we just cannot understand in the moment because it's some.

Some part of us, some God act, some extra dimensional component of our selfhood that's like leading it and doing the direction shifting.

So there is a really big element of surrender with the nodes.

There's a lot of like, yeah, they.

They edge us out of control.

They like get us.

Yeah, they show us the.

I think I made a meme once that's in this workshop.

It's that like astronaut looking at the earth meme that's like, oh, it's blank.

Always has been or whatever.

And it was like, oh, of this is in my control.

Yeah, never has been.

And the nodes, I feel like in eclipses they just like soften us more and more into how much we're not in control, which is like terrifying to the ego mind, but also is like liberating in another way.

So the nodes are also great liberators, I think.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

And one thing that I'm not sure that we've said, but if work, if we're sort of covering the high points, which we don't have to cover every point, but the eclipses do happen in these series.

Right.

And so while the nodes are in that axis, then eclipses are generally about that series.

But if the sun and if the lunation that happens, whether it's a new moon or a full moon, gets close enough to a node even in another sign, we're getting eclipses in those signs too.

So that's why we get these overlapping back and forth.

That's why we're having an Aquarius eclipse today, even though the nodes are still in Virgo and Pisces, because it's close enough to the node that it becomes an eclipse.

Yeah.

So if we have a new moon or a full moon.

Right.

Conjunct one of the nodes or both of the nodes, that would be like a full, what they call like a total eclipse.

Right.

And then the further away that the lunation, the new moon, which is the sun moon conjunction, or the full moon, which is a sun moon opposition, the further away that those happen from the nodes, the More like partial.

The eclipse, but some light will be obscured.

Is it within, like.

I think it's 15 degrees, they consider, makes a pretty big window.

The nodes are actually very powerful.

They have an effect on things for about a full 15 degrees on either side.

And part of that is because the Moon just moves so quickly.

It's moving almost 12 and a half degrees a day, even when it's slow.

So, yeah, there's a bigger chunk of the zodiac that it covers and therefore applies.

Another technical piece of what the nodes are that has really calibrated my awareness to what they represent in our experience is that the word node, N O D E is the Latin word or comes from the Latin root word for not like K, N, O, T. And as Caitlin was describing earlier, what we're actually talking about with the nodes, like, a really simple way of putting it, is that it's from the vantage point of Earth.

It's where the orbit of the Moon around the Earth and where the orbit of the sun around the Earth cross paths.

So it's these places where the sun and the Moon are knotted together.

And I go into this in a way that I couldn't even right now, but back when I was really sitting with the astronomical significance of that and how it translated translates to the symbolic significance.

I remember, like, having a way of thinking about it and understanding it that helped me feel into like.

And talk into.

This is in the workshop, is what I'm saying.

Like, I can't.

It's gone now.

It's fully integrated.

So I can't remember the mental orientation.

But it was something about, like, our karmic ties.

Like, it's like the.

It's the aspects of us that are physically on, like, in this life, in this.

This individual temporary existence.

How is, like, my karma tied into it?

So there's like a karmic knot sort of feeling like this is what keeps me in my karma is the nodal stuff.

You know, we haven't talked about which we should.

I mean, we've referenced.

It is like the significance of south versus north and maybe.

Yeah, before that.

I'm just thinking about if for people who are listening, who have.

Who listen to me, you know, that maybe, you know, I don't know.

I feel like I make this clear that, like, my whole understanding of the Maya and the Matrix and this illusion, all different ways of thinking about it, which I think of as, like, synonymous with mind and synonymous with duality and polarity.

I like to talk about how this illusion is based on specifically the illusion of polarity and duality.

And the nodes are, are always exact opposite points.

So in all of our charts and in every transit, the nodes are always the thing most calibrating us to duality because they are exactly opposite all the time.

And so that's another way that this idea of like karma and not K, N o T, not where are we not free, where are we tethered to karma via the illusion of polarity.

So I really see, Natalie, the nodes is like the place where you are most tethered to the illusion of polarity.

And because it's an opposition, you never like.

So long as we are limited by mind, limited by form, limited in this dimension, we never fully get to escape the experience of the ping pong of the back and forth of the opposition of polarity.

So it's like really a place where there's a lot of, of call for spiritual constant awareness and recalibration because we're locked in, we're knotted, we're tethered, we're locked into this particular polarity.

So your natal lunar polarity is like for Caitlyn, you know, Aries Libra, like that question of like, who am I?

Who am I to you?

What's the right aligned action and what's the consequence of that action?

Like you're stuck in that particular matrix for life and you get to get to know it better in the nuance of it and evolve through it.

And like, like parts of you will transcend it and transcend it, but you will always be limited to that.

I mean, we are all limited to all six polarities, all of us.

But that's going to be a particularly sensitive one.

Right, and the Virgo Pisces one, my natal one, the one we're all experiencing right now, we'll talk about in more detail, but is like.

Yeah, sometimes I talk about it as the agency versus surrender binary.

There's more, but we'll leave it at that because we'll get more into it.

But that's like the polarity that I and my fellow South Node and Virgo folks are stuck on.

And then as it transits, it's like this is the way polarity is really super loudly showing up in the collective consciousness right now.

Well, and it's like, I don't want to interrupt you.

No, no, go.

I was gonna move into like south north, but go ahead.

Yeah, well, I was just thinking on that point, it's sort of like it's both the place where we are tied to the binary, to the polarity, and also where we're most challenged to see outside of it.

Like, we are most challenged to rethink, to recalibrate, to challenge the way we've always considered it.

Like that south node constantly be constant renewal, constant recalibration towards that polarity.

Towards that polarity.

So it's not just reinforcing the binary that we already have, it's actually highlighting where we have distortion in that binary and therefore where like the truth of that binary, because there is truth in the binary also.

And also it's not Right.

And it's also bigger and more than that.

I love that.

Yeah.

It's like simultaneously both the thing that keeps us most locked in and the thing that gives us the most opportunity to transcend and be freed from.

Because it requires that we're constantly checking in with it.

Which is making me think about the skipped step in a new way.

I brought that up earlier, like, because I have Jupiter Square, the nodes, I'm always in process.

My nodal thing is always getting pinged.

But if you think about it, all of our nodal axises are constantly getting pinged by a square, by a transit, or by someone else's.

By someone else's natal composition.

Right.

And so, so that, that to me is just another way of driving home the point you just made that like you're constantly anchored to this polarity, but in your anchoring to that, you're constantly getting pinged by every.

Like, if you have mutable nodes, every time a planet enters a mutable sign, it's getting pinged in some way.

So it's this like anchor across duality that is always there and holding you in a way, but is constantly being asked to renew itself, to release attachment south node, release attachment north node, embrace in a new way.

Yeah, well, and I think that's part of the beauty of the nodes because before you get a nodal return halfway through, you get a nodal opposition.

Right.

You're always doing like, you're always recalibrating whether.

Whichever way.

All the ways with this transit.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

And I do think that people's nodal oppositions and end up being just as significant as their nodal returns.

Right.

Like it's in squares.

Man, My nodal square was intense.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, brief overview we've talked a lot about already.

Like, south node is kind of release, let go north node, embrace.

And yeah, there are a lot of different ways of looking at it.

Western cultures tend to orient.

Western schools of astrology tend to orient.

Like south node bad, north node good.

Eastern Ones from my understanding orient either kind of flipping that or more neutralizing it.

And more neutralizing it is how I tend to think about it.

There is a general understanding that I do think is useful as a tool for learning the nodes.

That is south node is past and north node is future.

But at a certain point, that becomes maybe irrelevant or maybe even unhelpful because the significance of here's how I tend to teach it and talk about it is the South Node is the point of the most familiarity in our chart.

It's like the elemental perspective and gift that is fully baked when you incarnate.

So you don't need to.

This is an overly simplified, dualistic, limited way of thinking about it.

But you don't need to.

You don't need to grow the skill where your South Node is.

The reason that's oversimplified is because you do need to constantly be recalibrating to it, right?

And in a way that is growing a skillfulness.

But like, as a South Node in Virgo, I tend to do better when I'm not trying to force myself to do more of the Virgo things, right?

I tend to do better when I allow myself to embrace more and more of a Piscean, my North Node perspective to clarify, to recalibrate, to support a detox support a process of letting go of how I always have or how I most recently am orienting to the Virgo thing.

So a metaphor that I like to use a lot is like a juice cleanse.

Wherever the North Node is by transit.

It's like we are drinking a lot of that juice and we wouldn't want it to be on a juice cleanse all the time.

That's not healthy, but for a period it is facilitating a release of what has grown toxic re our approach to the South Node.

But in that because it's binary, it's so easy then to swing too far towards the North Node.

And that happens.

I can be way too Pisces as much as I can be way too Virgo.

And I notice when there's a North Node transit, a lot of times it starts where we start to see the too muchness of the South Node.

And so we're like, okay, let's let go of that.

Let's get rid of that dogma South Node in Sag.

Let's get rid of that emphasis on victimhood South Node in Scorpio.

So let's get rid of that false harmony South Node in Libra.

Let's get rid of that perfectionism South Node in Virgo.

Let's get rid of self centeredness.

Upcoming South Node in Leo.

But then as the transit goes on and the collective consciousness has started to really embrace the North Node piece, it's like it will end up needing in many cases, to rebalance, and we need to revisit the South Node home sign, but from a new perspective.

And then the North Node ends up getting recalibrated too.

So it really is like both sides are really getting recalibrated in this constant process of trying to integrate or transcend the binary for each other.

Yeah, I really like that.

I want to throw in just one of the ways that I've learned about the nodes, which I think is a nice supplement to what you just shared, which is sort of the Vedic tradition, the head and the tail of the dragon.

And if anyone doesn't know that story, I think they cover it on the astrology podcast.

And there are a lot of places you can find that origin story.

But the idea is that the South Node is where we are in some ways most spiritual, but in the way of being almost an ascetic monk, where denial of body, denial of pleasure, denial

of

material needs, and North Node as a hunger, like an insatiable hunger for those material needs and things.

And so we're always sort of grasping for that material, like we want to eat more and more and more, and we're just a hungry mouth that can only feed versus a tail that only lets go.

And only lets go.

It's almost like a void space at the tail.

And I think one of the reasons why Western astrology thinks that the South Node is bad and the North Node is good is our somewhat obsession with consumerism, scientific materialism.

Materialism.

Exactly 100%.

And so in some of these other traditions, they're actually both malefics.

They're both.

Both places that we think of as malefic.

But in the same way that we can not entirely reframe the malefics as we know them.

Mars and Saturn, they're places where we just receive challenges, right?

And so it's not necessarily that we are always moving towards the North Node and that that's where there are only caught, like, karmic trajectory, but it's where we do naturally tend to grasp or naturally tend to learn lessons that feel like they're moving us forward, but there are lessons that we need to learn in the South Node too.

Places where we may be denying ourselves, places where we may be releasing too much or something.

And so I think that's why we're Always moving back and forth between the two.

And why that binary is always being challenged.

It's always being recalibrated.

And then there's something really specific about the nodes too.

This is maybe we ended up going pretty deep into this foundational offering.

No, I feel like it was.

Whatever, it must have been needed.

It's fine.

It's fun.

Well, all of this is gonna add richness and depth and opportunity for deeper internalized understanding as we start to get more into specifically Virgo, Pisces and Leo Aquarius.

But I would say like one thing that you and I were kind of having some fun little splenic hits around in some of our pre recording chats is the, the significance of the backwards motion of the nodes.

And we haven't mentioned that.

So just planting that seed too, that the nodes are always moving backwards in the sky retrograde.

And so they're developing us and our awareness in the opposite direction of the planetary bodies that are also developing our awareness in another way.

Yes, or potentially developing our awareness.

Yeah, that like astronomical phenomenon has a place in the mythology and the like traditions, especially in Vedic, because the origin story of that was that the gods were churning the oceans to try to create this Amrita, this eternal elixir that would make them, you know, immortal.

And so it's that churning that needs to happen in order to find truth.

In order to find immortality, we need that churning.

And I think that's.

That astronomical phenomenon is really well reflected in the fact that it moves in the opposite direction as all the planets.

It's like the, that's what creates this karmic chaos churning.

But that's really, really necessary as a counterbalance to zodiacal motion.

Oh, that's so cool.

And one of the things that we were talking about together too is another thing that moves backwards is the background frequency as understood through the global cycle study in human design.

The keys moving through the locks in these different areas are also a backwards motion.

And we had been connecting a lot of what we know about this shift from Maya and planning into penetration in Phoenix and specifically the first line sub era of Maya and planning into the sixth line sub era of penetration in Phoenix.

We've been connecting that a lot too to the nodal axes that share this transition are Virgo Pisces going into Aquarius Leo.

So let's get into Virgo Pisces and Aquarius Leo, but also planting that seed that, that backwards motion from the six to the one we find to be very relevant too.

I do have to pee.

Are you could we do a bio break.

Okay, I'll do the same.

Cool.

Yeah.

So whenever we like in these series, whenever we get really far in a direction that feels like according to my mind, not the thing we're supposed to focus on, I get a little like ah, but.

And I always, it always ends up working out well.

And what I'm seeing here is like there's so much potential for polarity distortion when we're talking about the nodes.

And so I think like having taken the time to calibrate folks to the perspective we have on polarity when we're working with the nodes is really important because now we are going to start talking about how during this Virgo Pisces transit that there's been kind of this sensation of like Virgo bad, Pisces good.

And that's not the whole picture, but that is a way that we are like working with duality in this season and now moving forward, it's going to be a little bit of it's way oversimplification.

So I hate even letting the words come out of my mouth, but like a little bit of an orientation towards Leo bad, Aquarius good.

But it's not that.

It's this multi dimensional nuanced perspective of like how does the influx of 1 support the recalibration of the other?

Yes.

Yeah, I think that's perfect.

I think that's right.

And I think it's worth setting that up in a deep way because of how easy it is to get lost in that binary of we're losing one because the other one is better.

And the entire point is that no, we are clearing the distortion of one and recalibrating to the other because that's just what it's time for.

And nine years from now we'll be doing the exact same thing in the opposite direction.

I love this language you keep bringing in of clearing the distortion too.

That's so good.

That's what we're doing with the nodal axes.

We're clearing the distortion.

And yes, in nine years we'll have the other direction.

But also the nature of polarity is that one is the other.

So as we clear the distortion of one, we're also clearing the distortion of both.

Right.

So.

So I love that you mentioned that when you were talking to John.

They're each other in drag.

Yes, totally.

Yeah.

So we've been clearing distortion across the drag show Leo or Virgo Pisces axis.

And this year we maintain that a bit and move into Leo Aquarius.

So these are the themes that have been collectively, the distortion has been showing itself and offering opportunity for distortion clearing.

And seems like I'm getting pulled back into technical foundation real quick.

This was kind of said, but in case it's unclear to any listeners, the relationship with the eclipses and the nodes are.

We did say this pretty clearly, but because the nodes are in Virgo Pisces right now.

Eclipse seasons happen during Virgo and Pisces sun seasons when the moon is with the sun in one of those signs or opposite the sun in the other sign.

And so.

So the last year and a half since January 11, 20, 20, 25, and actually a little bit before that, because we had our first Pisces Virgo eclipse When the nodes were still in Aries Libra in late 2024, in the fall of 2024, we've been having these, like, really intense assist from gods, Kind of chaotic, Being zapped, Whiplashed into a new direction During Virgo and Pisces seasons.

That's when we've been having these eclipse moments.

And we're moving into a short little era here with Aquarius Leo, where we're going to be having those zappy moments, those kind of rocky events During Aquarius Leo seasons.

But because we're kind of in this transitionary period right now, this eclipse season, the nodes are still in Pisces Virgo.

But this lunation that's coming up, that's a new moon in Aquarius tomorrow.

It's already happened at the time that listeners are tuning in Is close enough to the Pisces Virgo nodes that it becomes our entry point eclipse into this Leo Aquarius axis.

Do you.

This is something I meant to ask you before.

Do you have any sense?

Because I don't have any sense of, like, is there a specific texture significance when the lunation eclipse is happening in one axis and the nodes are in the other?

The closest I get to it is like, well, they're both there, Both polarities are there.

So they're like feeding off each other.

But I don't know.

I've never really had anyone technically orient me to the significance of the nodes in one side and the luminaries in another pair of signs.

I think it's more the nodes continuing to be the background frequency While the eclipse happens so acutely that I think that the axis where the eclipse is happening, or really the house where the eclipse is happening, Particularly for individuals, Is gonna show up in that specific house and that specific sign.

But I think the background frequency of the Virgo Pisces axis Where the Nodes still are.

Is still happening.

And I think for instance Venus is in Pisces right now probably super having a great time now that Saturn and Neptune are out of Pisces but is specifically conjunct the north node right now.

And so there's still a lot of north node vibes happening for Venus in particular.

One thing that we didn't talk about is a way that I oriented the nodes.

Sorry, we're back here.

We keep getting back into basics but had to say that they're.

The nodes are not planets.

They are points, you know, in the sky and, and we call them like they're shadow.

They're shadow planets.

Almost like they are.

They are not bodies.

And so they don't.

They like yes, they have this background frequency when they're just existing in an axis but they don't reach out and grab you and like.

Like do something with your life unless there's a body to grab onto.

Right.

A planetary body like Venus right now with the north node or with the eclipse then they're grabbing onto the sun and the moon and they are like doing something with that light.

But otherwise they're just these sort of shadowy points that are existing.

So yeah, the background frequency is still there.

That's a long way of saying that.

But I think the acute events are happening where the eclipse is happening.

Yeah, yeah.

And to a lesser degree perhaps where other planets are aspecting the nodes.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So to talk a bit about our experience of this Virgo Pisces axis which to tie it back into the accidental recent historical reflection we did the Taurus Scorpio axis nodal axis we were talking about was two ago.

And so this Virgo Pisces one would have liked like per how we've been reflecting today kind of like expanded upon offered opportunity to integrate what was coming through.

When the south node was in Scorpio, north node was in Taurus.

This is the next water Earth polarity.

But this time it's north node water south node Earth which was the opposite the last time we had the nodes here.

Virgo Pisces axis.

I defined it a few minutes ago as like the surrender versus agency binary.

That's one way I think about it.

Pisces is like very faith based.

Jupiter ruled big picture willing to.

As Jupiter mentioned as Britain as Jupiter through Britain mentioned in the a couple

second time you've done that.

Yeah, I keep calling Britain Jupiter or Cancer.

As Jupiter and Cancer through Britain mentioned a couple episodes ago.

Jupiter keeps us connected to something beyond what we can see and understand.

Right.

And that part of Jupiter is particularly Piscean, Right.

Because I was pointing out like my version of Jupiter as a sag is like sag is literally ic.

It's like it's faith because I can see it.

Pisces is like it's faith.

I don't see it.

Right.

So that's where the north node's been along with Saturn and Neptune.

But now it's by itself except for accompanied by Mercury and Venus.

Been holding down this accentuation of this influx of this Pisces, these detox juice cleanse.

We've beyond like just trust.

Just trust.

Just trust.

We don't know.

Just trust.

And that has been counterbalancing what has become a over emphasis to the point of toxicity on the Virgo side of things, which, you know, Virgo, its superpower is it's.

I analyze its superpower is to be able to look at the physical parts, its mutable Earth.

Earth and digest and yeah, digest, dissect, digest.

I often talk about my experience of the Virgo Pisces axis as a South node in Virgo.

Really familiar with that dissect digest component.

It was like that Virgoan skill that allowed me to feel connected to the whole because the zodiac taught me what God is like.

Seeing all the parts in this Virgoan and division dissect Y lens is what calibrated me like physically, like physically showed me in my life all these parts in a way that I could then understand the whole.

And Virgo in the body is the digestive system.

So I often think about that.

Like the Pisces whole, the connection to God, source, oneness, void that is represented by the Piscean part of the perspective in the zodiac isn't registerable.

It isn't anything until Virgo takes it, dissects it, digests, suggests it and brings it to Earth.

So in many ways this podcast series is very like Virgo Pisces in nature.

It's taking place during Virgo Pisces.

I am very representative of Virgo Pisces.

It's not only my nodal axis, but it's also my MCIC axis.

So a lot of my work is this.

It's like helping calibrate us to the whole through digesting the parts.

And that was my intention with this series too is like let's get deep and digest the parts so that we can feel connected to the whole of it it in a sacred way.

But then shadow Virgo too much Virgo.

What the south node perhaps has been offering us an opportunity to clear out is when that gets too much.

Which came up in the Jupiter conversation as hyper vigilance.

Right.

A lot of people talk about Virgo Pisces as this axis of service and care.

And yeah, where does care cross the line into hypervigilance and control?

That's shadow Virgo.

Right.

Perfectionism.

So this has been a collective theme like where are we holding on too tightly because we can, Mercury, see the details and because we can physically calibrate to them in this very practical, real, mutable Earth way.

Where are we doing that so much that we have lost sight of or lost access to this other part of the process that is literally trusting God, trusting whole, relaxing into our faith.

Faith and not even just trust.

I do think faith and trust are a big part of it.

But to use a less charged word, maybe even just to feel connected to a greater unfolding, to a greater picture, to a greater knowing that is beyond the knowing available to us from the Mercurial lens, from the Earth lens, which Vince and I talked about this a lot in the Mercury episode that we recorded this morning as like this AJNA to solar plexus, this transition to understand that through the lens of human design in 2027.

And Vince reminded me that a lot of the solar plexus gates are in Pisces.

So there is a lot of this emphasis of moving into this other dimensional spirit consciousness way of understanding reality.

And I think the north node in Pisces and as we'll talk about the north node in Aquarius, are like, they're the nodal transits that are accompanying this moment, this like really pivotal moment of a shift.

And so they are facilitating this, this mutation, this transition into this other way of being in relationship to life that's coming through this year.

And beyond that, I've been talking about this whole podcast series.

Yeah, yeah.

As you were talking, it was making me think about what we had said before with the sextile relationship and.

And the fact that this is the next.

Next.

This is the first sort of next in sequence Earth and water axis for the nodes since Scorpio Taurus.

And I was thinking about how with Scorpio Taurus, we had the south node in Scorpio north node in Taurus.

And so there was a clearing away of the water element and a clearing away of that.

It was a clearing away of the victim consciousness, but it was also

an

embracing of the embodied experience and embracing of that Earth element.

And now we get the reverse of that, even though we're only in a sextile.

And so that Sacred geometry is ringing a bell for me in that, okay, we just had the north node and an Earth sign.

Now we're getting the north.

It's like balance.

It's like another.

Yeah.

We don't have to wait all the way until the nodes flip entirely.

We get a little version of that recalibration at the sextile, too.

Yeah, that's beautiful.

Yes, exactly.

And how is that supportive from one to the next?

Right.

Especially since we're in this backward motion, like reverse zodiacal order, that's bringing an even deeper layer of balance to it.

Because not only is it balancing at us from going the opposite direction that all the planets are going, but it's also bringing that back and forth.

Can I just say, that's such a beautiful reflection of your own nodal orientation.

And you.

South node and libra, being like, you are about balance and, you know, balance.

Right.

But, like, through your integration of the north node in Aries, which you recently just had, we recently all had recalibration around.

That was the nodal transit that preceded this one north node in Pisces.

You had this opportunity and your whole life has been an opportunity to recalibrate balance to include the distinct disruption and Martian sort of separation when the nodes shift signs.

That's Martian.

It's like this.

And the nodes in general, like you said, they're malefic, I guess Saturnian in a way, too, but.

But maybe more Saturnian, but I don't know.

Right.

Eclipses are kind of Martian.

They're kind of like.

They're kind of.

Yeah, they're severing a lot.

I mean.

Yeah.

Chris Brennan always says that it's beginnings and endings.

Eclipses are beginnings and endings.

And in order to have endings, you have Marshall severing every time, you know?

Yeah.

Wait, and there's also, like.

I've read that there are some conceptualizations that place the nodes in exaltation.

And I think it was in Gemini SAG and Taurus.

Scorpio.

Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

I hear it more Gemini SAG than anything else, which is interesting because that's

when I, like, really started to try.

That's when I was like.

Even in our reflection today, I was like, that's when this nodal shit.

Really?

Yes.

So that's interesting.

Yeah.

And I do think it has to do with that.

That sort of dogma and.

Yeah.

Many truths.

Yeah.

Like Gemini's orientation.

Exactly.

Duality is very distinctly not actually trapped in it.

Right.

Yeah.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I was really feeling into, like, the north Node in Taurus Sextile North Node in Pisces Vibe too.

And like.

Yeah, you know, I talk a lot about in defense of Aries.

I'm always saying we know the wholeness of Pisces and that's why we're down to thrust ourselves into our individuality.

And you could say the same for every fire sign.

And I have been saying the same for every fire sign throughout this series because these shifts from Pisces to Aries and Cancer to Jupiter are so significant.

Cancer to Leo.

Cancer to Leo.

Thank you.

Are so significant this year.

But yeah, I'm thinking about.

Okay, what follows Aries is Taurus.

And Taurus is like the physical embodied acceptance of our separateness that Aries is Right.

And so the Pisces Taurus North Node Sextile is like in Pisces if we're going in forward motion in Pisces we're embracing oneness and in Taurus embracing our body is an embracing of the oneness in a way.

And then backwards moving that emphasis on Taurus via the north node and Uranus in some way has made way for this emphasis on the north node surrender.

And if I think about that Uranus in Taurus so much about revolutionizing through the body.

I won't put extra words to it because I'll have spoken it many times already at this point and I'm talking about it this Saturday with Lex.

But human design experiment as a way that many people in this series and probably a lot of the listeners have been becoming free through their body.

Right.

Uranus in Taurus North Node in Taurus was part of that.

The North Node in Taurus was like you need to embrace the fixicity of your form.

Right.

And then in learning to accept the limitations of our form, the fixity of our form, which is synonymous with some of the other ways we've talked about North Node and Venus North Node in Taurus so far of like learning to embrace pleasure and feeling good and nervous system regulation and just like being okay and being at ease and being at peace and joy.

All these North Node and Taurus things that led to supported this North Node in Pisces transit of like I can surrender to the other stuff because my relationship with my body is resourcing my ability to not need to Virgo hyper fixate control things.

Because all that is here, all that I.

All that I have agency around Virgo Pisces is like being in my body in the now something in there.

Yeah, yeah, I love that.

And I as you were, as you were saying all of that.

I just kept picturing, like, so many of us who found spirituality again through things like yoga and being in our body and dropping in and like, listening to our own breath and then finding both nervous system regulation, but also just the ability to be safe in our own bodies.

The ability to know what our bodies want and to land in them as a way of accessing that Pisces spirituality.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can't help too but think about, like, some of the stuff we're saying.

So many of us, you know, obviously every experience is differentiated.

Okay.

Leo.

Transits, we hear you coming.

Aries.

Transits, we hear you.

And also.

So these water nodal axes and this Uranus in Taurus.

And I'm kind of just thinking about them juxtaposed onto millennials.

Right.

Like the Pluto in Scorpio theme.

Like.

Yeah, that embodiment.

All this embodiment work has done a lot for us and our awareness and our karma.

Right.

As Pluto and Scorpios.

Yeah.

So it's not entirely universal because you've also got other folks with our shared Pluto placement that aren't not having this experience, but many of us have.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think there.

I mean, I. I totally agree.

I think it particularly applies to people in our sort of cohort, but I think.

I do think there are a lot of people outside of that cohort who have also been experiencing these same things, for sure.

So then this year, do we feel ready?

We gave a little emphasis on.

Well, one of the things we talked about too is like.

Like, we've kind of noticed for us, not sure how subjective or objective this is, but we've kind of noticed.

And I actually think I've heard Austin Coppock talk about this many years ago too.

I think this might.

That might have been the seed that made me start to notice this as well, that nodes in water, earth signs.

Like, there's still karmic recalibration happening, but there's something that feels, I hesitate to say subtle, but more subtle than eclipses and nodes in air and fire.

And so, yeah, I feel like the calibration that's happened with Virgo, Pisces, these are the receptive signs.

Earth and water.

It has felt like a fluid in process.

It's like a recalibration to how we process receptive signs.

Downward moving, receiving.

And the fire and air ones are more recalibration to how we express how we go out upward.

Yang.

And so I do think they're like a little.

There's maybe not as much to talk about, it's just like, oh, yeah.

Have you been relaxing into faith and releasing your grasp on control and hypervigilance?

Like, that's, that's, that's been here.

That's been here for this transit.

Mm, yeah, Yeah, I agree with that.

I mean, that's.

I feel like that's been true in my life.

Just looking at things that have happened, I think outward active events are easier to pinpoint in the be the eclipses in fire and air versus the eclipses that happen in earth and water.

Yeah.

And we're gonna be more like vocal.

I feel like when I think about the Aries Libra nodes and the Gemini sag nodes especially, there was like, everybody was like, if I opened my Instagram, it was just like constantly every single post, I could find the nodal axis in it.

Like they were just being expressed so externally.

But these Virgo Pisces ones, like, you'll feel them, but they are a little bit more like, like just in the back.

Subtle.

Yeah, they're just like softly recalibrating us all the time.

Yeah.

That being said, sorry, go ahead.

No, no, I agree.

And I think, yeah, I'm excited to get into Leo Aquarius.

I'm trying to think if there's anything remaining about Virgo Pisces, but there's nothing.

It'll make itself known because it's all, you know, one thing leads to another in process.

It's all connected.

But yeah, Leo Aquarius.

So this year, starting in July, we have have this late July.

July 26, the South Node moves into Leo.

The north node moves into Aquarius, where it will be co present with Pluto in Aquarius.

Same with the south node.

Right.

Because Jupiter makes its ingress before.

Oh, no.

Is it like June 29th?

I think it does.

I think Jupiter moves first.

Yeah, I think Jupiter moves into.

I got it.

Don't you worry.

I have my Astro Gold on my computer here.

But I want to say it's June 29th that Jupiter moves in to Leo.

Yep, June 29th.

So a month before the south node moves into Leo, Jupiter moves into Leo.

So right away, this is like really coloring how we're going to experience these nodes.

Is the north nodes with Pluto, what.

That's different.

And the south nodes with Jupiter, really different.

So that's bringing a real specific orientation to this axis.

And then they're there all the way through 2027 and into the beginning of 2028.

And though one thing we noticed about this axis is that the Leo Aquarius nodes never have their own eclipse season.

So we are still having Pisces Virgo eclipses, sharing eclipses with Aquarius Leo until all the way through to Aquarius Pisces season 2027 we still have a lunar eclipse in Virgo and then by the next season Cancer leo season of 2027, the summer of 2027 we have a solar in Leo and a lunar in Aquarius.

But those are preceded by a lunar eclipse in Capricorn.

So we already are moving into the next axis and we were noticing this morning and laughing at how south node and Leo like being a release perhaps of like a self centeredness, overly simplified, but whatever.

And these nodes never get their own eclipses.

They're always sharing them either with Virgo Pisces eclipses or Capricorn Cancer eclipses.

So that's just funny to me.

Yeah, the nodes basically said sorry Leo, you don't get the stage to yourself.

It's not all about you.

It's about the whole which rude, perfect segue into Aquarius Leo.

Yeah, like what is this axis and what is this axis?

And I mean we can try to talk about it, just what is it?

But I'm sure we'll really just immediately get into what is it when the north node's in Aquarius and the south node is in Leo.

I think when I teach this axis the words that I usually use first are the axis of perspective.

Leo being perspective from the center of the self and Aquarius being Saturn's most outward perspective.

Saturn already is pretty outward on its own, but then it's not the Capricorn Saturn, it's the Aquarius Saturn.

And I conceptualize those two sides of Saturn as being the inward looking.

So Cap Saturn is looking in at Earth, Earth Aquarius Saturn is looking out into outer space, what's beyond.

Yeah.

So we've got this like center self, center solar.

You talked about the sun earlier as the central organizing force.

I wrote that down because I like those words.

That's Leo, the central organizing force of the self, of ego consciousness.

Right.

And then Aquarius is this other much more detached, bigger picture.

And in some ways because it's Saturnian, like, like reality, like collective reality, focused entity.

People sometimes talk about Aquarius as being very like I don't know.

Yeah, there is kind of a hive Mindy feel to Aquarius.

Yeah.

How else do you want us to attune to Leo Aqua?

Yeah, I mean I always really appreciated your perspective on the signs through the trimesters.

And thinking about Leo that way really helped helps me sort of delineate it.

So if Aries being the first fire sign is sort of like knowing you exist and then the second fire sign is sort of.

Well, I don't want to misstate.

This is necessarily you, but bring your

own flavor to it.

Yeah, yeah.

It's more like knowing that you're being perceived is how I think of Leo.

Yeah.

That second trimester is like relational in a way that the first one's not.

Yeah, yeah.

There's.

There's you, there's still, it's still self as this the central organizing factor force.

But suddenly it's in relation.

It's, you know, there, it's there.

There is an acknowledgment of another who can perceive that central self.

And I feel like we get a lot of both what we would call in this series so far there have been a lot of different ways to refer to healthy versus shadow, skilled versus unskilled.

I love that from Britain.

And I feel like we see a lot of both types of Leo in the world because Leo is so visible because it's solar.

We see people who are able to embrace who they are in this like true, authentic.

I'm gonna shine my light into the

world without worrying about like this generous sway.

Yes, exactly.

And then, but then we also like the, the.

The unskilled or shadow side of Leo also seems very visible where it's very self centered and self focused in to its own detriment, to the detriment of those around it.

And like I, I guess I, I don't have a good way to like distinguish like why necessarily one version would be like like healthy and skillful.

I don't know if you have a good way of deciphering that, but in some ways I feel like it's more about like the, the root or the internal orientation to it as I'm just going to shine my light into the world versus I'm performing a certain kind of identity.

And it's when you're doing it for either for like a specific kind of attention or some other, some other thing that isn't actually authentic to you.

Right.

It's like performed authenticity versus real authenticity.

Yeah.

And.

And I'm.

And I want to try to like get like dig a little deeper on that because I do think that it's that unskilled like need for.

Need for external validation attention that is the distortion that we're going to be clearing.

That's so good.

You're touching on something that's been like right here with me this whole series.

Like the several times I've kind of gestured it, like, what about the people who aren't like doing the alchemy, you know?

And I have like had a hard time.

Vince said something in the Mercury episode just this morning for me that was like, like it's still going to be unfolding for a while.

But he said something like, if you take the Mercury, what happens if or something you take the Mercury retrograde and water signs out of the equation, then your experience of all of this air and fire this year is going to be something entirely different.

And that phrasing and the way we had in that conversation been orienting to Mercury retrograde in water, like Mercury kind of holding down the water influence this year paired with how I've been talking about these transitions from Pisces into Aries and Cancer into Leo.

Some stuff that came up especially I think in the Saturn combo with Aliyah and the Jupiter combo with Britain.

It's starting to show me the thing you just pointed to and went, I don't quite know, like I'm starting to see it a bit more clearly.

And part of what I'm seeing, I mean this is like what I talk about with Maya, right?

There's like the illusion of separation and then there's awareness which clarifies to you that the illusion is intentional.

And it, it contextualizes your selfhood, your solar centrality, the sun at home in Leo, exalted in Aries, it contextualizes that within something larger.

And when you know that you're shining as an Aries, as a Leo, leaning into your subjective reality, Sagittari, Aquarius, when you understand the part that that plays in the whole, whether you understand it sag Jupiter or just have a felt sense of it, Pisces, Jupiter, that's a very different way of holding yourself in authenticity, in radiance and audacity and self centeredness than when you've not been through the rite of passage, the initiation of understanding fire in the context of water better, right?

And so that's what I keep looking ahead to this year is like, what's this gonna be like?

Because yes, we finish up Chiron and Aries, yes, Jupiter and Leo, yes, Saturn, Neptune, conjunction in Aries.

And I see the, I see and feel the ongoing unfolding of what that is based on the alchemy that has been happening.

But I also see that the alchemy is not, not conscious for everyone.

And so I, that to me is so specifically like, okay, yeah, Jupiter in Leo, but also south node in Leo, also Pluto in Aquarius, you know, like this split that you're talking about.

Like, there's something about that that I'm just looking ahead very curiously, and I think there's something here to North Node in Aquarius and Pluto in Aquarius.

And like, collective reality is becoming less and less tangible.

It's.

It's like we can't.

We can't see eye to eye anymore because everybody's having these really individuated experiences.

And one of the big differentiation distinctions is like, literally, awareness or not and awakeness or not.

And I tend to always want to challenge the binary of that.

Like, I tend to want to be very discerning about using terms like I'm.

People are awake, awake or not, enlightened or not.

But I gotta tell you, as of late, I'm finding less and less that I'm able to disregard that that distinction exists.

And I wonder if there's something there too, with like, all the solar emphasis and like, the light of consciousness.

Yeah, yeah.

There's a lot there.

But your question and the way you phrase it is and all the conversations that have preceded this one.

I, like, I'm starting to be able to see a little more clearly what this thing is that we're talking about and what this thing is that I keep asking about.

And I do think it is, like, a big player.

This concept is a big player this year.

And I don't think it's separate from South Node in Leo.

North Node in Aquarius.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

That's perfect.

And it's right there.

And I think that.

That having Jupiter in Leo makes that bigger and louder.

And supports it.

Right.

Jupiter is there offering us support and understanding.

Yes.

And meaning.

Allowing us to make meaning out of that.

And again, Pluto, like you said, Pluto in Aquarius and just.

The rotting power structures that are sort of being upheld by people who haven't really been clearing the distortion.

The Pluto and Leo generation as it's Exactly.

That's exactly.

Not all of them.

Right.

Yeah, right, exactly.

As you were talking too, I was thinking about something that you've talked about a lot, which is the compulsion versus spontaneity.

That is what we're talking about.

That's literally what we're talking about.

Yeah, but I thought I'd make it explicit in the sense that I think that that is a piece of this.

Like, if we're looking for a way to distinguish, like, it's not just the being awake and.

And.

Or however we want to sort of phrase that, like skilled versus unskilled.

But it's also like, have we.

Have you done the work to come to terms with your compulsions?

Or are you acting from a place of spontaneity and does your.

Is your light shining from that true authentic place of spontaneity and then the South Node literally there to help us recalibrate that?

Yeah, there's like, okay, there's this other theme.

This isn't like exactly necessarily connected to exactly what you're talking about.

And when I opened my mouth, it's not what I thought was going to come out, but I'm going to trust that it will weave together as it needs to.

There's this other theme that I think the only place I've talked about it in the series was on the Pluto episode with John of this like, saviorism consciousness.

This like, there's like a superhero savior kind of vibe that exists in the shadow of both Leo and Aquarius.

Right.

In the absolute Aquarius shadow, it's like.

It's like fake altruism.

But then in the Leo shadow, it's like it's an ex.

It's like you can see the relationship of Leo to Virgo here, whether you're moving forwards or backwards with the nodes.

It's like the hypervigilance shadow of Virgo and the like.

I can do it like Leo's.

I will.

Right.

Like, I can save us.

I can save collective reality.

And there's like a shadow and a distortion having to do with control in both Virgo and Leo potentially.

And feeling into that phrase.

I brought up on the Pluto convo too.

If we blame society, but we are society, like, where are we?

We a self with agency and sovereignty and where are we Just a part of this collective hive mind and that.

Yeah, like the con.

We're going to have a lot of context around that this year and next year.

Like a lot of contexts that provide us with opportunities is a Sagittarian way of talking about it with like a demand that we look at.

At the relationship of the self to the other.

And I'm keep thinking about the 3740, which is the channel of community.

And it is relevant in that it's a Virgo Pisces channel, but it feels very relevant to Leo Aquarius right now.

It is a significant part of the cross that's going.

The design of a part seeking a hole is the keynote for that.

That's what.

I didn't say that out loud, but that's what I'm thinking about.

The design of the part seeking a hole which Feels like it can be very north node in Aquarius if the part's just seeking the whole.

Seeking the whole.

Seeking the whole.

And it's forgetting it's a part.

Right.

Like that's the.

A little too far on the Aquarius side.

But then there's this other unfolding happening where we are leaning.

We're learning to lean more into and trust that we are apart part of the whole.

And therefore our part is as sacred as the whole.

And that some of this Pisces into Aries, Cancer into Leo calibration.

And it's relevant in that it's going away.

So our understanding as a collect, it's not part of the new era.

It's been a part of the era for 400 years.

This bargain between the part and the whole.

So it's going away, and that's huge.

So our understanding of parts of a whole, like our relationship to it as a collective is just shifting.

But also it's the only channel in the Rave New Year chart for this year.

So like, like the imprint, per human design's way of looking at like a year, the imprint on the body graph is that's the only channel.

And then the nodes are there, the Virgo Pisces nodes are in that channel.

So there's also just that.

I don't really know.

I don't have a first line understanding of this.

But my second line, splenic senses are like the part seeking the hole is a big component of this year.

Yeah, well, and Aquarius nodal axis, we're just gonna keep going, bumping back and forth between human design and astrology.

In the same vein though, I was thinking again about that sextile between Leo Aquarius and Libra Aries and how in Libra Aries we are embracing the individual.

With the north node in Aries Aries and the authenticity of the individual that you're embracing, then the light, you can shine that light in Leo.

But part of the wisdom of that Libra Aries axis is the fact that you cannot be in right relation with another unless you're being your authentic self.

Unless you are embracing the individuality of exactly who you are.

Because there is no harmony if one person is compromising the truth of who they are.

And so we cleared that Libra distortion and said no, no more fake harmony, because we need true individuality.

And so the next shift, the next sextile, this Leo Aquarius is now clearing the distortion.

Where we had the south node in Libra, now we're clearing the distortion of the embracing of the self.

In such a way that we aren't going to continue allowing ourselves the compulsions that we think we need to have to be accepted by the collective.

Or for whatever reason, we aren't letting our own authentic light shine.

So in the same way that we had the north node in Aries, now we're having the south node in Leo.

Leo, where it's that back and forth, that balance again.

But in clearing that distortion from Leo, then it opens up the ability to be in right relation with our collective.

Like there is no healthy collective without true authentic self that is allowed to shine without compromise.

Yes.

Like the highest expression, highest potential.

Potential expression of Aquarius is.

Is interdependence.

Right?

Yes.

And we don't have that right now.

And we have a lot of people moving about the planet and forcing, like attempting to force and control other people's uniqueness, other people's independence.

Yeah.

Through fascism, through rules.

I mean, this is north node in Aquarius.

Like north node in Aquarius.

Too much Aquarius.

Aquarius is fascism.

So, hey, that's something we're gonna see.

Like, we're gonna continue to see the rise of fascism.

It's like there's Aquarius as Leo in drag.

It's like a centrality of experience.

It's Leah mentioned on the Saturn episode, this new, like replacing the phrase white supremacy with white narcissism.

Right.

Like that narcissism, that idea, that western colonized fascist.

That's all shadow Aquarius.

And it's shadow Aquarius because it's Aquarius that's unintegrated, that's repressing Leo, which is the truth of individual expression and individuality, which is a necessary ingredient and the inverse of healthy interdependence.

So this year kind of like moves the needle perhaps towards interdependence, but by I, we're taking a. Yeah, I don't know.

Like, one side of that is going to be this increase in fascism in the idea that, like, one perspective is the one that needs to be spread and Saturnianly mandated on the planet.

Right.

Like, well, I know what's best and so I'm going to force it on everyone.

Even though the only authority that's left that matters is the one that's actually internally resourced.

This south node in Jupiter in Leo, Trine, Saturn, Neptune in Aries is also like, yeah, I don't know that this has come up yet.

In the Neptune in Aries episode, Jess and I were really focused on the dream of Neptune in Aries.

But there's this other piece too that I've been watching and worried about and haven't talked about that much because Neptune's just hard.

Hard for me to talk about.

I think it's hard for everyone to talk about.

But this piece, the glamorization, the romanticization that happens and the extra illusion of it is like.

And I think we're gonna see this with Jupiter and the south node in Leo Trine so supports amplifies this Neptune and Aries glossy pretend thing.

We're gonna see a lot of emphasis on individuality this year and like authenticity.

But not every thing pointing you towards not everything claiming to be authentic is authentic.

Well and just like we're gonna get potential for true authentic interdependence but also see a rise in fascism.

You're gonna see both sides.

And I think that's like Neptune in Aries is going to emphasize that even though.

Though that's yeah off.

But it's yeah it's like bright and shiny and I'm going to embrace it.

But you don't actually know which one is real.

Like okay, so as collective reality is going to take up a lot collective hive mind consensus reality is going to take up a lot of space this year which tends to happen when there's big events on the main stage of collective reality.

Right.

And like everybody, every astrologer is predicting that this year.

Right.

These big events events.

So north node in Aquarius.

This collective mental orientation to reality is going to be really loud.

Oh shoot, I had a thread.

Yes.

Okay.

And so that's part of this transition, right?

This transition from one global cycles era one 400 years cycle into the next is that the last one planning in Maya were about collective reality.

And individuality was a means to that collective reality's goal.

And that's flipped.

There's more nuance to it but that is flipped moving forward.

And so it's this thing, this came up on a different episode too of like reality is.

Seems to be getting worse but my life is getting better.

Yeah right.

So that weird distinction, I feel like that is a big part of this year.

And like this came up on the Neptune in the Pluto episode too.

This idea of like that collect the old collective reality reality has already divested from itself.

But it's gonna the collective psychological residue, you know, like it's gonna keep doing its thing as it dies.

And we the awakened, I don't know the conscious like those of us digesting it like those of us actually looking at the collective reality and filtering it through the wisdom of our separate Local bodies.

And like this came up in the, I think the very first episode with Amalia.

This idea of like this is the interdependence is like, I don't have to metabolize all of it.

I can't.

I'll metabolize the pieces that are right for me, which sometimes is the thing in front of me.

Sometimes it's.

Sometimes it is like I have to have a whole grief day about a collective thing, but I don't have to do that.

Every day my body shows me how to orient and when.

Right.

So that feels like a really big theme with this north node in Aquarius, south node and lens out and all the other stuff, like it's also intertwined is like the collective reality is going to be really loud and there's going to be Uranus and Gemini.

There's going to be like a lot of potential for us to engage with it in distorted ways that remove us from the sovereignty of our central organizing force of self.

And it's not about disregarding all of that by any means, but it's about how do I.

How have I been learning through this?

These long Pisces transits, these long Taurus transits.

Transits.

How have I been learning that Taurus, Pisces, Sextile, that you pointed out earlier, like, that my body is a vessel to digest and process the whole.

And so, like, how can I trust myself to continue to orient to this collective reality in the way that's right for me?

But then there is the like.

Yeah, I'll pause there.

That's a lot.

Well, and I think, I do think that having a system like human design is so supportive for this space specific thing.

Like, I. I'm not a person who thinks that like one or like system is right for everyone.

Like, definitely not.

But I think human design is north node in Aquarius.

Right, Right.

But I do think human design is so helpful because using strategy and authority is how you're gonna know what to put your attention on.

Right.

Like, attention is the thing that kept coming up for me when you were talking, go if you have something.

But that's just what's hitting for me, particularly with the south node in leo.

I feel like where we place attention is another place of distortion clearing 100%.

Yeah, that's reminding me.

The thing I kind of got lost in with that last little rant, the thread that I was on at one point that I lost is the Aquarian gift of perspective and neutrality and detachment is available to us this year in excess.

Right.

To kind of Counter the like, yes, the sun.

You know, I'm an Aries son.

Like, I love the sun.

It's our solar expression.

It's uniqueness, it's individuality.

All things that I love.

And it's ego.

Like, Leo is also ego.

And the South Node moving through Leo is like, you know, the connection that we're making between Western culture doesn't like the South Node because it's afraid of ego to death.

Like, that is not separate from the conversation of fascism and dogma.

Like, those things are all intertwined.

And compulsivity, Right?

Compulsivity happens from the ego being attached.

This is fixed fire.

There's extreme ego attachment in Leo.

Right?

And so this is the part like, yes, shine.

Yes.

Bring yourself.

Yes.

Show the world all this alchemy you've been doing under the surface and radiate it outwards.

And for all of us, to some extent, there's also this thing happening where, like, where are your habituated compulsions a result of your ego mind attachments?

I went off on a side quest again.

But, yeah, I wanted to point out, like, earlier when you were talking about dogma, and you were talking about, like, dogma happens.

You said, dogma happens.

And I wrote it down because I like those words.

And you said, like, having spiritual perspective doesn't make you less dogmatic.

That made the question come up for me, like, okay, what does?

What does make us less dogmatic?

And the answer in my head is awareness.

Like, neutral, detached awareness from the outside.

And that is what Aquarius in large part gives us.

It gives us this perspective to be able to look at things from outside of ourself.

Not entirely because there's always Leo and we're always individuals, but there is this availability to that.

So, yeah, that, like, neutral perspective is supporting this process somehow.

Supporting this process of going back into my individual experience and trusting my body to put my attention, like you said, only where it needs to go.

There's something about Aquarius's ability to just, like, look at it from the outside and not get too caught up in it that allows us to actually digest the parts that are for us and not get lost in the distortion, not get taken over by the illusion, which is like, a lot of people talk about, like, energy harvesting, you know, like.

Like the way that the Epstein files are being released.

Like.

Like, some people are like, there's a marketer help.

Like, of course there is.

Like, right, so this attention, the sovereignty of your attention, that feels like a lot of.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And.

And I Think there's a piece too, of what you were talking about before with the, like, Savior Complex complex being part of this question of what allows us to release dogma.

I think a lot of times dogma comes from a place of thinking you're in charge of saving someone else.

And so if I can only, like, internalize the dogma and then enforce it on another person, then I can save them and me, and then we can all be saved together.

Ask me how I know.

But I think that the South Node in LEO is helping clear that Savior Complex.

That can happen when you're too attached to ego.

That then results in a dogmatic approach.

And then there's like.

Yeah, the other piece that I wanted to bring in was the backwards motion of the North Node in Pisces back into Aquarius as being supportive of this.

We talked about this a little bit pre recording, but the idea that

we

need a little bit of backward zodiacal motion from the everything is everything of Pisces and that knowledge that we are all one, we needed a little bit of pull back into practical reality of Aquarius and seeing things from a perspective instead of just being in.

In the soup of eternal reality.

Or eternal perspective, like rigorous intentional perspective.

Yeah, exactly.

And that has to be rooted in some kind of collective reality, or else we're all just swimming in the ether of Pisces.

Right.

And so pulling us back into Aquarius is how we start, like, connecting.

Like our ability to find that higher consciousness and our ability to know that we are all connected.

But how do we actually put that into reality?

And I was thinking about this when you were talking earlier, but now I can see how the North Node in Aquarius is going to help us set up for the North Node in Capricorn, however many years from now, in the sense that then we need to.

By then then start to build.

We will need to.

Exactly.

It's still.

It's like ideation land for like, yes.

New way of.

We need to conceptualize it first.

Right.

And normally we are going the other way, but it is incredibly important.

Like, it's that we're doing it this other.

In this other direction.

So.

Good.

Okay.

I think we probably need to be nearing the end, but there's this other piece that's, like, tied to all the.

That I want to bring in.

In that's like the superhero stuff, the Savior stuff, like, feels connected to this other thread that's been popping in for me around like, credit and recognition and this concept of grid work that, like, first started to come off my Tongue while during collaboratory at the end of 2025, and the conversations that we all were having about, like, grid work, that feels very Aquarius to me.

And, like, if LEO is.

Is like the people that I know with South Node and leo, which are a lot of folks, because that's the cohort right after me.

So these are people born.

And I was born with the nodes at 4 Pisces Virgo.

So not very long after that, the nodes moved into leo, Aquarius, the South Node and leo.

People I know are so good at pointing out other people's, like, specific contributions.

Like, they're just, like, really good at celebrating different individuals.

Yeah.

Hype man.

The hype man.

And so that's like a gift of LEO is not only to be, like, so steeped in your own specialness, centrality, but also to be able to see the other sun over there and go, that's that sun.

Look what they're shining.

And so I feel so recognized often.

Like, Jonathan Ko is an example of a south node in Leo who, like, the start of our Chiron episode, had so many beautiful words for, like, how I show up, up.

And that's like, such a. I've just tracked that.

That's such a South Node in LEO thing.

But anyways, that feels connected to this other thing that's swimming around that's part of all of this.

Like, my.

A lot of my experimentation right now in my work is like, I'm trying to become a part of a whole.

You know, I'm like, trying to figure out how do I get this balance in my own ecosystem.

Like, Aquarius is ecosystem consciousness, right?

I'm like, I want an ecosystem where I can just, like, relax and be me and be part of it and be, like, evidently part of it and know I'm part of it and feel touched.

And that's, like, why projects like this are coming through me right now.

Because I want to be in the ecosystem of it, you know, like.

And so I am the son of this project, but it is a real ecosystem.

And I'm having so much fun getting to experience the ecosystem and share the ecosystem.

And Amalia described part of, like, lab partners and that part of the collaboratory experiment in episode one of this series.

Conscious alchemy as, like, the design of a.

The design of a web or something.

Like.

Yeah, and, like, I'm feeling what you're talking about and, like, this ideation of the new ways of interdependence before they land in physical form.

North Node in Capricorn, perhaps, like, I'm really feeling into this grid work idea and I think like, what's maybe coming through, based on what you and I have talked about today and what, what Vince and I kind of hit on today earlier is like, there's gonna be a fuck.

Like this collective reality is going.

There are going to be intense moments of it this year.

I mean, I can say that, you know, we can.

There are intense moments of collective reality every fucking day since 2020.

And to be fair, this is maybe a North Node in Aquarius thing too.

Like there was suffering and intensity and injustice and oppression and fascism and violence and genocide every day before that too.

And there's this collective awakening to it, like a collective awareness about it, which also feels attention, which also feels North Node in Aquarius it felt Neptune and in Pisces this like extreme empathy with the all, like feeling everyone's everything.

And so yeah, so there's something with the notes where like I see this potential crisis that continues to unfold and maybe amplify this year, putting us in a position where the like, putting many of us in a position where these questions of like, am I getting credit for my part?

Am I getting recognition for my part?

Like, am I getting paid for my part?

Start to.

Am I being resourced for my part?

Like all questions that I'm thinking about all the time, like, I could just see them becoming in a snap of a finger irrelevant this year.

Are you tracking what I'm saying?

And it's like, it's like I'm.

I'm not doing this from an altruistic place anymore.

I'm not doing it from a self serving ego serving place, from, from my undefined ego fear of not having value, from my undefined solar plexus fear of not having existential meaning from my undefined throat fear of not making an impact, from my undefined Ajna fear of not being ethically correct.

Like that's not what's moving me anymore.

What's moving me anymore is like necessity and survival in the moment, which is very much the new keys, the 34, the 20, the 57.

And like, it's not about my like self serving and like seeing where things have been self serving and actually moving towards what the greater practical need in this detached way that's not about individual contributors.

It's about like this shit's unfolding right now.

This is what I know I can do because I know myself and because I know my body and it's showing me what I can do.

And it's like, yeah, this like Crisis feeling.

But like, not crisis like oh shit, like crisis.

Like I know what to do and I'm gonna do it.

Aries, it's coming.

Well that's exactly it.

That's what's coming through for me is the sextile.

The like.

Well, we've embraced our individuality and like cleared the distortion of like the, the false harmony.

But that was so internal.

And so now we are clearing the distortion of self, like self centeredness, self serving things.

Things because we know that if we just show up and do actively outwardly the things that we are, we know we're supposed to do after.

Like filtering through our own bodies, through our own awarenesses.

If I show up and do the next right thing, I am going to be part of a whole.

Like, if everyone's doing that, then we're all taken care of.

We actually.

Yes, this is held by the collector Jupiter and Cancer.

And Cancer knowing the Sagittarius, Saturn, Neptune in Pisces knowing.

Yes, this is the fire or the water that precedes the fire.

Yeah, and there's.

Yeah, this other piece too with you know, Aquarius is often associated with like the Internet and technological advancement and Pluto there we've got like the Technocrats, the Nerd Reich.

Like it's technology is the means that the fascism is in many cases trying to utilize to its end.

So there's that, but then there's this other piece of like when I think about my part of the whole in this kind of Leo Aquarius, like orchestration of the grid work in the web, like, and about my journey as of late, like all the people, most of the people that feel like my web.

I know you guys from the Internet, you know, in some cases I've spent some time in aura with you.

But like you are my people on my screens that I feel cosmically extremely close to because we can have these conversations like listeners too.

If you've made it this far in the series and this far in mine and Caitlin's conversation, like, you know, like this is gibberish to the majority of the planet.

What we're saying, whether you understand it intellectually or not, listener, like you're here, you're still listening because the frequency of this is resonating and like you are part of my web, you are part of our web.

Like this is like this particular one is maybe Kelsey at the solar center, but there's like a lot of intersecting webs.

So I'm trying to go with this is like I wonder about, about the, the new grids emerging, the new Matrices of knowledge emerging and like the kind of disembodied version of that right now.

And then like, kind of wondering about once the nodes get into Capricorn Cancer, if there is actual, like, physical kind of relocation that shifts, but that over this next period, it's like these webs are in this Aquarian, airy kind of

conceptual spaces, disembodied conceptual spaces.

But this is coming up because I've been having this weird, just little like, splenic sense the last couple weeks that's like, oh, I think I was like, experimenting with the orbit field in my Patreon and these collaborative podcast things consciously through the lens of like, this is how I want to organize my business.

But I'm seeing the way that we're connecting in these spaces as like the.

Oh, this was like accidental, innocent.

Like, this is like apocalypse planning next era.

You know what I mean?

Totally.

Well, and what keeps coming up for me is the discernment piece and also the trust in authenticity like I was talking about before.

One of the reasons we get caught in dogma is thinking we have to decide for other people.

And so clearing the distortion of that savior complex from LEO is not only showing up as your true self, but trusting the other person to do so.

And when we gather enough people who we actually truly trust to show up as themselves, then we create these webs of humans that can have interdependence,

that ecosystem consciousness.

Yeah.

Getting to try itself out in certain places.

That's so beautiful because, yeah, we do not have that.

That on any collective level.

But like, I am experiencing it more and more in these, like, communities of resonance that we're talking about.

Yeah.

I feel like we could talk about this for another two hours and we probably shouldn't today.

No, but I.

Same.

Yeah, we might be back to talk about LEO Aquarius nodes more.

Maybe.

Maybe if the note will shift, we'll check back in.

Yeah, I think that's complete.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like there's.

There's a lot that we didn't talk about.

I know that we meant to.

That we literally wrote notes about

specifically.

I'll just throw it out there for the people who are literate in this way.

That part of this 2027 shift is moving from the first line sub era of planning in Maya into the six line sub era of.

Of penetration in Phoenix.

And that feels very like this north node in Aquarius detachment to an embodiment like north node in Aquarius with the distilled support of the distillation of Leo that will remain after the south node travels through leo.

There's something very much about embodiment and neutral awareness through embodiment that feels like that sixth line, sixth tone that is going to be the initial, like color and tone behind the frequency shift.

So I'll throw that in there.

But yeah, we'll never be done talking about it because it's the nodes and its polarity.

But this felt, yeah, like a good start.

Thank you so much for doing this with me.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, it was super fun and I love it.

Yeah.

You have a astrology practice and you recently came back into relationship with Instagram.

So can you tell us via Instagram and where else people can find you?

You?

Yeah, for now.

I'm there sometimes.

I'm there sometimes.

What am I on Instagram?

I've played around with some different handles.

Right now I am at Dark House Luminaries on Instagram.

You can find me.

You can just email me at Caitlyn Mason gmail.com.

yeah, that's probably about it.

I, like I said, I have a, I have a very off and on number one relationship with social media, but also giving readings and doing that.

But I'm always practicing astrology, so.

And I love talking about it.

I love helping people see the way that it's unfolding in their lives.

Well, yeah, I'll put all that stuff in the show notes.

Thanks, Kelsey.

Thank you so much, Caitlyn.

Sam, It.