In today's episode, we welcome back Jeffrey Allen, who is a very well

known energy healer and has brought this important work of working with

our own energy, shifting and expanding our energy, to millions of people.

In today's episode, we go profoundly deep.

We dive deep into how you can shift your energy when you're

experiencing fear, especially when you're scrolling on social media.

When you are listening or reading the news and you're feeling anxiety,

you're experiencing fear about the state of the world, you're experiencing

uncertainty, how can you work with your energy in the most powerful way?

In the moments where it matters the most?

We also go deep into how you can shift when you feel stuck energetically in

any area of your life, whether it's relationships, whether it's manifesting

abundance, attracting a conscious partner, how can you get unstuck, so to speak?

And there are many golden nuggets here because there's so many spiritual traps

where our ego interferes with our journey.

You can be highly conscious and deep on the journey, and yet I

know there will be so many powerful golden nuggets for you there.

We also go deep into how you can communicate with spirit guides.

What does that even mean?

What is the difference between a ghost?

Are there dark evil entities?

Do they hijack people's consciousness?

Today we really talked about so many different, extremely important topics.

And then we go full circle and talk at the end about what is most important for

us to focus on right now in our journey.

And this applies to every single soul.

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Thank you for being here.

Jeffrey, what I wanna dive into straight here, which I believe is really important

and we'll speak to so many listeners and viewers, is that we're constantly

bombarded with so much information.

I, I'd say more than ever, much of it is negative and feels perhaps even

threatening to our nervous system, and also even our sense of identity.

Algorithms are becoming increasingly sophisticated at hijacking our attention

and, and, and causing emotional reactivity from us, ultimately.

From, from your perspective, how do we remain sovereign?

How do we protect our energy?

Couple things.

So one is, uh, just being aware that, uh, of all the information that's

coming in, first you wanna know that, uh, this is, uh, this is not

representative of everything as a whole.

So the stuff that gets through is usually kind of the, the loudest, uh,

the noisiest, uh, sometimes the most disturbing or eye catching, you know,

the things that get your attention.

And so if you're, if you're in a position where you're feeling like, oh, the, I'm

really depressed by when I'm, you know, all this information that's coming in,

or I'm feeling like my energy is drained by all this information coming in, now

the first thing you wanna do is kind of, uh, rather than shutting down, which is

kind of our natural reaction to do it, is you want to, uh, actually expand.

So you wanna say, okay, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna take a moment.

I'm gonna kind of go within kind of calm myself.

Could, could be anywhere.

You could just be, uh, you know, if you're at work, maybe

just go in and wash your hands.

Do something to kind of get away from the noise for a moment, and then

instead of contracting your senses and your awareness, let it expand.

So what's beyond this noise?

What's beyond this message that I'm hearing that things are terrible or

beyond this conflict that I'm seeing?

And as soon as you ask that question, what'll happen is your, your energy

focus, which is kind of tightly focused on the information that's being sent to

you, the information that somebody wants you to focus on, and your attention when

you say what is beyond it sort of opens up and you start to see, oh, there's

a lot of other stuff happening too.

If it's a particular situation, like if there's a, a conflict or a war going on.

For me, when I open up and say, uh, what's, what's beyond this?

What's beyond this message?

I start to notice others people, right?

There's people in these countries, there's people in this government

or in this organization.

And, uh, these people have families, these people have hearts, they have

lives, they laugh, they do things.

Suddenly when you start noticing, uh, it's just, people behind things already, kind

of the temperature goes down, you start to notice, oh, maybe I'm not so different.

Start noticing the similarities.

So that's the first thing I'd recommend.

Instead of, instead of closing down, you actually wanna like open up to the, the

broader picture and the broader message.

Because, you know, when I do that, what I've seen energetically is that there's a,

a much brighter and more beautiful picture or like reality, uh, in the world than the

little messages that we're getting through social media and the news and so on.

So that's first.

Um, second thing, if you're feeling like you do need to, uh, kind

of protect yourself, if you, if, if you're feeling disturbed, you

can always, uh, just imagine kind of, you have gotten right here.

There's a tool from my, uh, duality class that I teach.

This one actually came out of, um, uh, many teachings came from, um,

uh, Lewis Boswick, originally back in a Berkeley Psych Institute.

And so you just kind of imagine that there is, uh, a rose about

arms linked in front of you.

And you're just giving, uh, permission for you to have this

space between you and the rows.

So basically, I would say I have permission, I have a hundred percent

permission to have this space between the rows and my body, just for me.

I don't have to have anybody else's information or energy

or ideas or goals in that area.

This is just for me.

And I'm gonna give permission for everybody else to have all the

rest of space in the universe.

So, all I really need is this space around me, my or my energy field.

I want that to be clean for me, but everything else is okay.

And so instead of going from a, a place of resistance and fighting and

trying to like, you know, protect yourself in some way, you wanna

use this idea of permission, and, uh, it's just much more powerful.

And, and this, this little, uh, you can imagine with somebody that comes

up this be of conflict with, you could just visualize a rose or just, it could

be just a little bubble if you're, if a rose is hard to visualize, just imagine

a little bubble between you and them.

And again, just with that idea that I give myself permission to have this

space between this bubble and myself, and then I give you permission to have all

the rest of the space in the universe.

And that's like a really generous offer.

Most people will take that offer.

You know, it's, it's, it's very generous rather than very kind

of a restricted and in type.

That's very profound.

Uh, about your first point that you made, would you say that anyone who

is doom scrolling or seeing negative messages and they're feeling this

activation inside themselves, they're feeling I need to protect myself,

everything is falling apart, collapsing.

It's kind of a death is near experience, a fear of death,

not a meditation about death.

Um, would you say that in that moment we're not aware of the bigger

picture of what's actually happening?

We're only seeing through the lens of a specific negative news in that moment?

Yeah, exactly.

It's like there was a photograph, right?

So the message that you're getting is like, uh, just imagine a little

photograph of whatever social media you're seeing or whatever internet

thing you're seeing, or the news.

If it's right in front of your face like this, then you know, everywhere

you look it's like, oh, this is real.

This is real, this is real.

This is really scary.

Oh, no.

Oh, it's, it's real up here too.

It's real over here.

Like for where it's real.

But when you start to like, give yourself a little space, you

know what, what's beyond that?

What you're doing is you're kind of pushing this information back and then

all of a sudden it's like, oh, oh, there's, there's, there's a lot of

information, there's a lot of energy, there's a lot of situations happening.

It's not just this one thing that was overwhelming my senses.

So I just gotta push it back, get a little distance.

Then pretty soon you'll be like, ah, actually that's not even,

not, that's not even important.

It's just one tiny little sliver of information.

It is profound and, and when you set up, when you set about feeling

into other people's hearts, for instance, when I heard that, I could

immediately feel a, a relaxation.

What, what is that, when we feel into other people?

What's happening to our energy then?

Because I feel this at an embodied level when you speak about it, but

can you shine more light on that?

Yeah.

What's happening there?

Uh, well, a couple things.

So definitely, uh, you are, when you're connecting with people in that way,

uh, it's not just something that you're visualizing in your mind or kind of

imagining, but what's happening is you're energetically, you're coming into,

uh, coherence with these other people.

So, you know, all of us, I like to think of it like, um, think of

our body like a, a guitar, right?

So it's if you were, if you had two guitars, you know, in the same tuning and

you pick one up and you start, you know, plucking one of the strings, you'll notice

that the other guitar also vibrates.

Even though you're not touching it, you're not playing it, right?

Uh, same thing.

We've got a, a harp at our house.

My wife likes to play the harp.

And if, if you're, if I'm sitting next to it eating dinner and I

happen to like cough or something, you'll hear the harp go whoa.

Wow.

Even though I'm not touching it, right?

And, uh, uh, people are the same way.

You know, ener energetically, our bodies are like, you know, if you talk about

the chakras, it's like a bunch of, uh, microphones and speakers all together.

So, uh, we're always picking up, you know, the frequencies of others in our body.

If somebody, if you're feeling sad, you might ask yourself, uh, am I

feeling sad or am I feeling sadness?

So if I'm feeling sad, that's, that's like, I've identified with it

and, and I'm sad, but if I notice, actually I'm feeling sadness, then the

next question would be, is it mine?

Actually, it's not mine.

I, I feel it deeply.

I feel this sadness, but it's actually not mine.

Oh, interesting.

So that means I don't, right away, I don't need to do something to fix it.

I don't need to ask why it's there, but all of a sudden I, I go right

to compassion, like, oh, somebody, somebody else is circulating this

energy of sadness and I'm, I'm picking it up because I'm sensitive.

I'm human, and they're human.

So automatically we're feeling, you know, I'm feeling the same thing as them.

Uh, so in this, in this bigger picture, when you're tuning into people and

kind of noticing them, even at a great distance, the same thing is happening,

same thing you're noticing, like I said, oh, there's, there's people behind that

government or behind that organization, and there's those people have families

and they have kids, and they have parents.

And all of a sudden you start noticing, oh, they're not just

a, a scary name or a scary photo.

Uh, they're a human.

And you're going into resonance with them and noticing that, oh,

we're, we're actually quite similar probably in a lot of beautiful ways.

Rather than focusing on, you know, the one little place where like, we're very

different and then going Help, help, help.

We're different.

We're different.

It's scary.

It's terrible, you know.

And what you said about sad, I'm feeling sad or feeling sadness as opposed, the

same applies also to a fear narrative.

For instance, if someone sees any kind of fear narrative, um, and they might

say I'm feeling fear, but actually they might be actually feeling the

fear of someone else's narrative.

Exactly.

Yeah.

It's like, am I afraid or am I just, is there just an energy of fear that's

circulating, and because my body responds to that, I'm like, I'm identifying

with and saying Ooh, now I'm afraid.

So instead that same thing, say, oh, am I afraid or am I feeling the energy of fear?

Am I, is the energy of fear circulating through me?

When you start to see the world from an energy perspective,

it's really interesting.

You notice like, oh yeah, my body is this sensitive, beautiful instrument,

picking up all kinds of emotions and thoughts and, and feelings from everybody.

And if, if I identify it all as me, if I don't understand that

I'm resonating with other people, it can feel very overwhelming.

but once you get that, it, it's kind of fun actually.

Like, ooh, there's fear circulating here.

I wonder what that's about.

I'm curious.

I wanna find out more, you know, and then, Hey, maybe I can even help.

And in that moment there is already a sense of detachment

and space, isn't there?

The moment we say there is fear circulating, rather than I am

experiencing fear or I am fearful.

Yeah, it's expansion, but it's not expansion.

Sometimes people take, think of expansion, like I'm somehow getting

bigger or broader, or like my energy is expanding in some way.

That could be true, but really what the goal is just that

my awareness is expanding.

I'm aware of more information, more connection.

I'm seeing a broader perspective.

I'm not focused on, uh, just some tiny detail here.

Something else I wanted to ask you is that we see many spiritually, highly

intelligent people, people who are deeply committed to their spiritual journey,

and often there's this one area or maybe two areas where they somehow feel stuck.

They're doing so much work, but in this one area, whether it's relationship

or manifesting a conscious partner or their purpose or whatever it is, there's

this one area where they feel stuck.

And they seem to feel unable to shift their reality.

What would you say is the most, is the most common reason for that?

boy.

There's, uh, there's lots of reasons.

One, that, the one that pops up when you're, uh, when you're talking.

So maybe, you know, if you, if you're listening to us here,

maybe you relate to this.

As we're moving along at kind of our spiritual personal growth path, when

we start feeling like we're making some progress, like, oh, I've, I'm doing, I'm

sort of lined up my actions with my, my, my inner goals and my true desires, and

I feel like I'm living from my heart and like I'm feeling very kind of successful

in this way, what we notice is that, um, like in that state, I speak for myself

because I'm, I'm feeling like, oh, this new me is really amazing, this new me is

a lot better than the old me, suddenly I'm setting up this, this judgment, right?

So, uh, the old me was kind of like lame because it didn't do

the things the new me is doing.

Now, now I'm good.

So before I must've been like less good or bad in some way.

This is kind of the, the root of the energy.

But what we see is that, that that'll project out onto everybody else.

So that's why you see people that are doing really great in their, you know, in

their growth and their personal growth, but they become very self-righteous.

So we start and we see, I mentioned this 'cause this is,

this is happening to a lot of us.

You know, I, I've, I've been through it myself.

I see everybody going through it where, uh, at some point you start noticing, oh,

I'm judging everybody who isn't like me.

Like, oh, that person's not exercising like I am now.

Like they're, I was outta shape and then I got into shape.

And now people that were outta shape, they're outta shape

now somehow or less than me.

So I'm judging those people.

Or, uh, maybe it's, it's about foods, but I changed my diet.

Now I'm living in a way that feels healthy to me.

So everybody not eating like me, there's something wrong with them.

Or, uh, oh, I'm, I'm meditating now.

I didn't use to meditate.

So if you're not meditating like me, there's something wrong with you, right?

And so this is, I I mention it because it's not only is it common, but it's

something that's almost always overlooked.

Uh, we see it in other people, like we see like, oh, that, that, that person is

just so judgmental and so fix on that.

But, but we, we just can't see it in ourselves often 'cause we

all think we're right, right?

And so, uh, and like I said, energetically, it's not really

about those other people.

It's not about, uh, judging or blaming those other people.

It's actually about myself.

And I haven't got to the point yet then saying I really love who I'm

becoming, and I loved who I was too.

It was totally okay that I was, you know, a year ago, I was in

a different place 10 years ago.

I was 10 years younger and maybe not as learned as I am now.

And you know, like all the things that, you know, every step along

the way was just, just fine.

And when you could get to that space, you notice that, oh, the people

around me are okay too, even though they're different than me, even

though they're doing things that I've learned to do differently still okay.

And, and we're judging ourselves, aren't we?

When, when we judge others.

Yeah.

Well, that's where it's coming from.

That's the energy behind it is has to do with us, right?

So on the surface, if you look at it, yeah, we're just judging

all the people around us.

But, uh, it's particularly funny, you know, for, yeah, like me, I, you know,

I, I was teaching energy work and people relate that to spirituality,

even though, I don't know, energy work is just energy work, right?

It just has to do with how things are moving, kinda the bigger picture, and.

But, uh, it's a little hard to explain and validate with science, so we

kind of group it in with spirituality and kinda fit seems to fit there.

But I didn't call myself this, but you'd see after my name, like Jeffrey Allen,

spiritual teacher and energy healer, and I'm like, what happened when,

when did I become a spiritual teacher?

And, and then I would look around, I'm like, you know, if

you knew what was really going on inside my head, you'd see that.

A lot of times I see somebody and, and I have a little snap judgment.

I'd be like, oh, that person's really, whatever, you know, whatever the label is.

And, uh, I started noticing it 'cause people are expecting more from me.

And I'm like, okay, something's funny here, right?

Something's, something's funny.

Why am if I, my vibration is high and I'm doing all these great

things, how can I also be really self-righteous and judgmental?

And, uh, that's when I started noticing this pattern in other people too.

And, you know, my wife Hisami helped me see it and get some clarity

around the details and the energy.

And, um, so it's, yeah, it's, it's a really fun one.

'cause once, once you see it, it's really easy to shift to amusement, to just kind

of laugh at myself and go Got it, okay.

And everything kind of softens.

And then the people that I feel are judgmental toward me, suddenly I'm not

so reactive to that anymore because I realize, oh, they're just doing the same

thing I'm doing about a different issue or the other side of the same issue.

And, and we're all, we're all working through this ability to love ourselves

at any state, rather than having to, uh, achieve some perfect way of being,

eating, thinking, talking, working, being in relationships and so on.

and could this even be connected to self-sabotage in a way?

So let's say I'm trying to step into a new identity, but I'm shaming my old

identity and I'm saying that part is bad, that part is wrong and should have

never been there and it's unacceptable.

Is there a correlation then between people falling back into

that old identity, so to speak?

Yeah, well, I'd say, uh, there's energetically nothing's changed, So the

circumstances around may have changed.

I might be eating differently, talking differently, doing different things.

But the energy is exactly the same if I'm still thinking that I'm not, that

I have to do something to be better, that I, that I'm, I'm not good enough,

just regardless of where I'm at, right?

So, so actually pe it's, what's happening there is we've changed all

of our outer stuff, but we're actually in the exact same state inside.

We just might be a little bit more polished, on the outside.

And this probably is one of the key answers and one of the most common reasons

as to why people find themselves stuck.

Because when they're fully honest with themselves, they might realize

that the energy itself hasn't shifted.

Maybe it shape shifted, but it's, it's still the same shape, so to speak.

It's still from unworthiness to now judging the old self

rather than having kindness and compassion and love toward the self.

Yeah.

You, you're right on there.

Yeah.

It's, um, it's funny, I, I was watching a video just the other day.

I happened to see this old video that I made.

It was like 2012 ish say, it was quite, quite a while ago, and I was

watching it and the thing that struck me was not how much I've changed,

but I really haven't changed at all.

That's what struck me.

I'm like, like, feels like I'm growing and expanding all the time, but if I

look back 10 years, 15 years ago, I was having the same kind of thoughts,

the same excitement about growth.

Like, I've really kind of, I'm just sort of always the same person, but

it feels like, feels different, right?

That's profound.

So loving the old self and having no judgment toward that.

And from that place of love, stepping into the true self or the self that, that feels

most aligned in that particular moment.

Yeah.

I've got a, just a short, short story about that.

I was in, um, this is when I was in Sedona and, uh, I was, you know, I

was meditating every morning having these just beautiful visions, these

conversations with my spirit guides.

And, uh, they would give me little assignments, right?

And they were always just very short, very, very clear things.

And, uh, one time they said, uh, love yourself, just this,

like two word suggestion.

And I was like, whew, okay.

The two words, that's pretty big.

Okay, I'm gonna work.

So that week, I just, you know, kind of used all my tools, looked at

places where I wasn't loving myself.

I really worked on it.

And a and a week later, you know, just one week later, this

is how big my ego is, right?

So I came back one week later in meditation and I said I think I got it.

I think I made some big progress this week.

I really feel like I love myself now, you know?

And they said, good, yeah, you're, you're doing a good job now.

You love who you are.

Okay, so next step is love, who you were.

I was like, ah, much harder because they got it.

And I'm just loving, like who I think I am today.

My idea about who I am today, it's kinda like a, you know, this

was before social media was big.

But it, it's a, it's kinda like if you love a photo on Instagram of

yourself, it's your favorite photo.

That's great.

But how about loving all the photos that have ever been taken?

Like, just can you, you know, can you fully love who you were?

And it's, it's hard, isn't it, from a, when I say hard, I don't wanna attach

a limiting story or belief to it.

But when I say it can be or seemingly hard is because there is no real

tangible result based outcome.

We've been so conditioned to kind of approach the healing journey in

this kind of getting better and being perceived as better from the outside.

So if I'm being loving and compassionate towards myself, it's, there isn't

really a, a, well, there is a big result and liberation obviously, but

it's more internal and, and maybe perhaps people's egos, if I can say

it that way, perceive it as not really something that is important because

others won't perceive that necessarily.

Yeah.

That's really interesting.

So, um, surprisingly, when we make this shift, we start really loving ourselves

more everybody around notices, right?

Because what's happening is we're circulating different energy.

So before I was circulating, I was circulating love, but I was

also circulating some judgment and some fear and some ideas.

And so I just kind of mixed energy circulating.

As I'm able to clear that out and become more coherent, where I'm like

more often circulating energy of love, not, not a hundred percent, but you

know, more often, people around me are noticing because they're catching my

energy all the time when I'm with them.

And so I've, I've had so many, uh, students and clients from the

years say something like this where they, they work on themselves.

They do this internal work, and they'll say, I can't believe it.

I, this one client said, I got done doing this exercise.

I got done.

Like, working on just my internal stuff.

And something really surprising happened.

My, my husband, the next time I saw him a couple hours later, he said, I don't

know why, but you are just glowing.

You are so sexy right now.

Like, you're just amazing, right?

And she's like, I didn't expect that 'cause I was meditating and kind of

clearing out some old stuff, you know.

And here's my husband's like, wow, you're, you're hot.

This is great.

You're beautiful.

She's like, this is great.

And he doesn't, um, he doesn't talk about energy with her.

He is not into the energy work stuff, but he could just feel it so strongly.

'cause she was, she was really resonating this coherent field of love.

Same, same thing At work.

People at people at work will notice, your friends will notice, like, uh, it's, uh,

probably a lot of you have had, had this happen where somebody else say something's

different about you, what's different?

And you know, 'cause it had some great experience or a great workshop over

the weekend or something happened.

So you know why you're sort of glowing, but um, you haven't told anybody.

They could still

Yeah.

It, it's, it's, it's remarkable how when our, when the, let's

using your language, when we are circulating a different energy, how

doing the same thing is no longer the same, how it completely changes.

And just to bring some bit of my personal story in there as well.

What I would notice is in the past, and I'm, that's my work, is a disconnect

between, for instance, I'd be coaching people or facilitating a men's group

or women's group, or it doesn't matter.

And I would feel on top of the world.

And then I would feel tension regarding other aspects in my

life or another area in my life.

Not in my intimate life, but another area or something admin related, for instance,

that that annoyed me, that irritated me.

But now I would bring that energy at home and, and that energy would be

circulating, not during the workshop, not during the facilitation, nowhere there.

But it would then circulate with those closest around me.

And that really led me to reflect deeply, wait a moment.

It's with those closest around me where I want to be most mindful, apart

from the deeper mission and service.

So would then maybe the approach to that for a person struggling with that,

where there is a sense of incoherence or disconnect as I just described,

the first step, I assume would be to bring kindness and compassion to, to

that energy to us finding ourselves in this state that we are resisting

or clearly don't want to be in?

You, you got it.

You're right on.

And yeah, you have to find, uh, compassion for yourself.

And in some ways, kind of imagine, if you, like, in this situation, like when,

when we're teaching workshops, you know, it's, it's really easy to get into that

beautiful vibration and state and, you know, everybody's looking at us, you know,

like seeing us in the beautiful lights.

It's easy for us to be us, sort of our brightest selves.

And it's easy to also see all the people in the room with compassion

and love, you know, to really just, I, I just love all the people that are

here and I'm, I'm wanting to help them and, and share useful information.

So there's just all this beautiful energy circulating.

But of course when we, when we do that, any heavy energies that are

in us are gonna start to come loose.

Here's an opportunity.

I'm resonating this vibration of love, resonating with these,

these you happy vibrations.

So the other stuff that's kind of stuck is kind of starting to vibrate

and getting ready to come off.

But it's not gonna happen in that situation.

It's gonna happen, like I said, it's gonna happen when you go home, then you

go home and like, like all this stuff is coming off and sort of you, the, the

lights turn down and you exhaustion's coming in and like, then all the heavy

stuff that was coming, coming loose, uh, there's an opportunity to, for

that to start circulating around you.

And if it does, you, you kind of have to think like, uh, can I see myself

with the same love that I would see somebody else in this situation?

If I, if I was helping somebody or a friend or a family member who's in that

situation, I would just see them and I have compassion for them and love and

know, like, tell 'em it's, it's gonna get better, you know, the energy's

gonna, you're gonna move through this.

And if I can treat myself the same way, it's gonna, it's

gonna move out and heal quickly.

But if I say, oh, what's wrong with me?

I can't believe it.

It's so inconsistent.

Everybody thinks I'm this level, but I'm really this level and blah, blah,

blah, I start getting, I start getting down to myself, uh, all I'm doing

is basically taking all this stuff that was ready to release, and then

I'm bringing it back to me, right?

I'm starting to circulate all this energy that it's, it's circulating in me, but

it's circulating on the way out, right?

I'm releasing heavy energies.

So you have to be mindful when you're releasing heavy

energies to, to that it's okay.

They're, they're on their way out.

Somehow, somehow it's, it's remarkably easier when you think about things

as energy because you, you get out of your mental ideas of what's possible

and not possible, and you get out of the idea that someone's to blame.

Just all this sort of disappears.

It's, it's a standard energy moving.

This makes it really easy to, um, to let things move.

And, and could this maybe explain why, let's say people going are going

through a psychedelic journey or they're going through a retreat, or they're

doing a powerful breath work journey, whatever, they're doing something

powerful, and whatever they're doing, it's getting them into a peak state?

So what I'm hearing you say is in that peak state, of course they feel all the

love, they feel they're like expanding and even maybe the ego will say, I'm

done now this is it, I have reached it.

And then a few days later, or maybe even a week later, that kind of starts

to subside, that peak state and like we feel maybe a heavy energy or some

small thing, something admin related or something breaks in the house or whatever.

Or in the apartment we start to feel this heavy energy.

So basically what follows the peak is the loosening of those heavy energies,

which are asking to be, to be released?

Yeah, yeah.

That, that's, uh, that's a great way to describe it.

Yeah, yeah.

'Cause as your, as your vibration's going up, you know, as, and we

can do that in a resonant field together, we can raise our vibration

with each other really powerfully.

Um, we let people notice this, you go to church and you're singing and you know,

or you're with friends, hiking, you know, with your, with a group, you can really,

you know, bring that vibration way up.

So, yeah.

Then the, the little energy is that we're stuck now.

They can, they can get out easily.

So you'll notice some, it's not, it's not a failure that a few

days later or a week later you're feeling, you're feeling this energy.

It's like, uh, it's success, right?

I, I asked for a great healing.

But maybe I misunderstood it, that the great healing always felt wonderful.

It's, it's like, it's like great, great healing, uh, that it gets to

wonderful, you know, but it, but the stuff that's coming out doesn't feel

wonderful, or you wouldn't, you wouldn't have any desire to heal it, right?

it could be that this is where a lot of people are feeling shame and, and maybe,

and I don't wanna say teachings are failing them or teachers are failing them.

I assuming everyone has good intent or most people have good intent.

But it can very quickly venture into a kind of shameful, um, perspective

of ourselves, can't, can it not?

Because it's, it's almost like, oh, if you haven't yet fully stepped into

the new identity, it means whatever it means you haven't gotten it, it

means you have more healing to do.

It means you have more this to do.

But maybe what I'm hearing you saying, correct me if that resonates, is well,

maybe it's exactly the way it should be, it's just we're labeling this

loosening of heavy energy as a total annihilating failure and, and meaning

that we've achieved and gone nowhere.

But in truth, it's, it's just part of that journey.

Yeah.

Yeah, just part of the journey and, and that's a great way to think about

it because there's, you know, in my experience we continue to grow and

grow and grow and expand and expand and get lighter and lighter and lighter.

Hopefully, you know, this, this isn't, uh, there isn't some a hundred percent

that we're reaching where it's like, ah, like you said earlier, the Eagle wants

to say, ah, I'm there now, I got it.

Ah, I'm enlightened.

I got there.

Well, I can tell you that's, uh, that's not gonna happen, right?

As long as you're in a body, right?

Life's gonna keep bringing stuff your way.

There's gonna be challenges.

There's gonna be ups and downs.

There's gonna be ebbs and flows, and this is okay.

The goal isn't to try to like always be in a happy state or

always be like good or perfect.

That that's a completely, uh, ludicrous goal.

It's just not possible.

It's like saying, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take my car and it's always

gonna be a hundred percent full or a hundred percent charged.

That's my goal.

You're like, well, how are you gonna get anywhere, right?

Because that's, that doesn't even make sense.

You, or you're gonna have to pick your car up and carry it around

them because you can't, you can't use any of the fuel or charge.

So it's, it's the same way you're gonna, it's always gonna be moving and flowing,

and that's, that's totally okay, yeah.

You talked, you already touched upon that.

You talked about communicating with your spirit guides.

I'd love to talk a little bit more about spirits and, and some specific

questions around that as well that become more practical as well.

You mentioned you communicate with your spirit guides.

How do you perceive your spirits and, and also how do you understand

their, their role and purpose in relation to, to humans, to this world?

Yeah, sure.

That's a great question.

That's, um, it's changed a lot over the years.

So I'd say, you know, when I was first communicating with, with guides,

it was, felt like it was sort of me asking things and then hoping I would

feel something or get something, or there'd be some sign or like, right.

It was just seemed a lot of really one way for a while, right?

And then as I, started focusing on the energy of things instead of the

physicality of things, I started noticing, oh, there are, there is a

lot of information coming and there's a lot of synchronicities happening.

There's a lot of, uh, even silly things.

Like I, I walked into a bookstore one time and this book literally fell

off the shelf in front of me and like landed at my feet and I picked it up

and all I saw was the title, which was not even an interesting title.

And I was like, this book looks really good.

You know, I was telling my friend that this really enthusiasm.

I'm like, something weird's going on here with me, right?

And I was like, okay, so this is, uh, this is the universe providing, you

know, saying, Hey, focus on this, right?

I, I picked the book up that I read it, it was like one of the most,

uh, opening books for me ever.

It was just fantastic, right?

And it was called, uh, End Times by Cryon.

So like, you know, way back it was a prediction kind of book.

So, so information started coming in that way, right?

Uh, then the more I practiced and I got, I got quiet.

Then it started noticing, uh, it, uh, all of a sudden it started becoming voices.

And then the, once I got through sort of the, the basic questions, like I, if you

start talking to your guides, you know, to be honest, I was like in my late twenties,

so the questions I was asking weren't exactly enlightened questions, right?

So I'd be asking things like Does that girl like me?

how's this stock doing, right?

So, you know, it's, it's funny, but like, if you have this great ability, this to

talk to your guys, it's not like suddenly you're gonna become a different person.

You're gonna have the same concerns and desires and fixate on the

same things as before, right?

Did they help you on the stocks?

Uh, they, yeah.

Everything, it's, they're, they're amazing, uh, stocks,

dating tips, everything.

And, uh, but over time things get a little more interesting.

Strike any of the important questions like you asked, like, who are you?

Like what, what does this mean?

I'm talking to some, something that seems to have answers beyond what I

have and they seem to be, uh, right most of the time and they seem to have

a lot more broad perspective and, and love, and that there's no judgment

and that I have to do something.

And there's just this completely different perspective, right?

And like I said, it, it changed a lot over time.

Like, uh, um, eventually over the years, I started asking the questions like,

are you, you know, I'm talking to my guides and like, are you actually me?

Am I just talking to myself?

Hmm.

Then the guide's like, oh, now you're getting to the good stuff, right?

We're not talking about girls and cars and you know, like whatever,

you know, mundane stuff you wanted to know about it, but now we're talking

about the really interesting stuff, what's going on behind the curtains?

And they said, uh, yes and no.

From the perspective of the material world where there's, uh, separation and,

and physicality, no, we're not, you.

From the perspective of the spirit world where everything is one, and we're

talking about vibrations and fields and consciousness, then yes, we're the same.

And, uh, so that's what things started to get really, um, really interesting

and really deep, uh, really fast.

Yeah.

If you, if you haven't had that experience talking to your guides,

I really, uh, recommend like playing with it in a fun and easy way, and

just know that the barrier that we feel initially, some people are able to do

it just like this, but if you're not, it doesn't mean you're failing, right?

So I was, I was like that I couldn't get anything at first, but what's

happening is you're actually, uh, your attention is going to the unconscious

energy that's between you, your current state of awareness, and the

state of awareness that you would have that to be communicated consciously.

And I say that 'cause you're always communicating with your guides.

All the time this communication's happening.

You're just not conscious of it because there's a, a layer of unconscious

energy around, uh, around you.

It's kind of the barrier of your, what you believe to be you.

And the more times, uh, you, you touch the unconscious energy, the

thinner and thinner and thinner it'll get, and eventually it'll disappear.

And suddenly you're having conversations you didn't know were possible.

And, uh, so, unfortunately, what we tend to do is like our awareness

goes and hits unconscious energy.

And we just sort of like, we're, we're trying, trying, trying,

focusing, focus, focusing.

Then as soon as it hits its unconscious energy, it just sort of goes off

somewhere else, we forget where we we're doing, you know, we fall asleep.

It's like when you're meditating, you know, fall asleep, this

is what's happening, right?

You, you span up to your unconscious energy, you hit it, you go

unconscious, you fall asleep.

That's called success.

So keep doing that over and over.

Keep bumping into this unconscious energy, and it will naturally fade away.

'cause the more times you touch it, the more you're moving it, changing

it and, and, and coming through.

But most people think, most people think it's failure, not.

And if you see it as failure, you'll stop trying.

If you know that, oh, I'm actually succeeding, keep going.

And is there always a kind of hierarchy in the sense of, um, first you can't really

ask the guides questions, but then as you lean in, you can directly communicate?

Or could it also be that some people just communicate with their spirit

guides in a different way, maybe in a more intuitive body, somatic way,

rather than specifically communicating?

Is there a difference or is it the same for everyone?

Uh, it's, it's actually different for everybody.

So we all have the same capabilities, but some of us are naturally good at, uh, one

part of intuition or energy work, and some of us are naturally good at other parts.

And so, like for me, a clear audience has always been, uh, kind of easier for me.

Like, I can hear things easier than I could see things.

And so being able to see things took more, took more practice.

But at first when we practiced visualizing, you

know, I, I just saw nothing.

Uh, then I could imagine I was visualizing things.

But that's different than visualizing things.

And I think that's a key, isn't it?

That, that we imagine we're speaking to a spirit guy, But it's kind of

in communication with our own ego.

yeah.

And this, this just takes some practice, right?

And it takes maybe at least a little bit of humility and a desire

to grow and some curiosity and that lack of self-judgment, right?

To know that like, uh, even now when I'm tuning into things, I know that sometimes

I'm just gonna hear what I want to hear.

So if you're, if you're talking to your guides or you're

tuning into your intuition.

And it's always validating you, telling you how smart you are

and how great your ideas are.

Kinda like using Chat GPT, right?

So, you know, if you notice that like the, the first month or two months of Chat GPT

is super fun 'cause you are like, it, it gets me, I'm the smartest person ever.

And then you realize, okay, wait a second here.

It's telling everybody that

Yes.

it's just optimized for building a relationship, right?

So the same thing happens.

You gotta to start noticing if my intuition's always telling me I'm

right, always telling me what I want to hear, that's not intuition.

That's called wishful thinking, and it's very different.

Um, doesn't mean you don't have intuition, just means your expectation you know,

needs to be level set a little bit.

Like adjust a little bit and say, I wanna know what's actually going on,

not just what I want to hear, right?

Because I tell you, when you, when I started talking my guides

really deeply, the answer is almost always surprising in its depth.

It might be just a few words.

Like, I, like I said, love, love who you are, and then love who you were.

It's just a few words, but the depth behind, it's like, whoa.

They just, they just gave me, you know, this entire teaching on how

energy works and how our, our ego and our minds worked and everything just

with, just with a change of one word.

the, the guides give us what our soul needs.

And Chat GPT gives us a cookie for our ego i'd say.

Exactly.

Yeah.

But it's okay.

It's, you know, if, if it's, if you're having fun and you're tuning

in and you've got curiosity and it's causing you to like, try some things

you might not have tried before, it's building your confidence, there's

nothing wrong with any of this.

It's just all part of the process.

But, uh, the, the more you can have fun with it and be curious instead

of serious, the more it's going to continue to expand and grow.

And, and you'll, you know, we, we learn to discern not outside, but inside.

Is this feeling I'm getting just 'cause I, I need it to be that way, or can I expand

and see what I want and also what's real?

In Shamanism, but also in other traditions you hear of shadow entities.

Some call it demons, some call it dark forces.

How do you describe that phenomena?

What is your perspective of that?

Well I'd say a couple things.

One, uh, dark is just the lack of light.

So it's not an active quality.

Um, actually I could pull a parable from it.

Maybe it was that Cryo book years ago.

Is, uh, you know, like when you walk in a room and you hit the light

switch, the room is dark, you hit the switch that the light comes on.

But there's, if you're in a room that's light, there's no dark switch you can hit.

You can't go in and hit a dark switch and then all the light

is like snuffed out, right?

You know, so you don't have to really be afraid of darkness, right?

'Cause you can just be a light and the light will flood into all that space.

But there's a, when you said it, it actually reminded me like years ago, this

was, uh, I was still working as a software engineer and I got this invitation to

come to Uganda as a, for first time.

I went there twice, about maybe five years apart.

So this was right around, uh, Y2K.

And I was just traveling with a friend and, uh, and with her,

her friends and family and so on.

And, uh, we went into this, we're we're walking by our house and

these, these gates opened up at this big kind of, um, estate, right?

And we walked in and I was like, you know, just surprised.

And then we went around and she said, oh, this is, this is Idi

Amin's old vacation space, right?

And I was like, oh wow, really?

Huh.

And I said, and they just let people walk in here And she said, no,

they don't let anybody in here, but I don't know when you walked up,

they open the door and let us in.

And I'm like, okay, I don't know either because I don't, I don't know anything

about this, you know, I'm just some random white guy wa walking through.

And um, and we walked down and we're standing on some of the ruins.

'Cause everything was kind of crumbled at that point.

And I was looking down at the lake, it's right up, right off this lake.

And I said, whoa, what is going on over there?

There's this like amazing, uh, vortex of energy, and then there's

all these kinda like, scary pictures in it of all this dark stuff.

And my friend, she said, oh, that's the place that she said the locals here, they

won't go to that place because that's, there's rumors that they were like human

sacrifices or things like, you know, something really scary happening there.

And I was like, well, then I gotta check it out.

This sounds, this is pretty exciting.

Like, let's go see, let's go check the energy, right?

And I went, no, no fear of this, right?

Because it's just energy.

Everything's energy.

And I, I walked up with, with my, uh, my two friends and, and, um,

it was the first time I saw it, like, uh, right in the air above me.

I've never seen this before, I could see this, like, this words kind

of, these like gold words are like, you know, sparkling and it said

beware evil lurks within, right?

And I just, I just started laughing.

I was like, woo, evil lurks within, right?

And I was like, alright, well let's, let's just see what we can do here, right?

So I just started grinding the area, just cleaning the energy up.

'Cause this is like, what I could see is this is a really beautiful,

natural vortex of energy here, and then somebody had just kind of stuck

these scary messages up, right?

So I just started cleaning 'em off, cleaning the energy, making it move.

And I didn't really notice what was happening until I started getting wet.

And then I looked around me and the, all these storm clouds had

come in and it was like starting to, it was pouring, pouring rain.

I was doing the energy work and I was just kinda lost my own space, just

moving all this energy out, just clearing all this so that people could start

using this beautiful energy again.

It was just stuck.

'cause not only was there, somebody had put some energy there to scare

people, but the locals, everybody around there were still believing

that there was some truth to it.

And so that was just, that was continuing to circulate this, this

sort of like dark energy, right?

This evil energy.

But all it was was nothing.

It was just ideas, right?

So I, I cleared all that out and uh, and then my friends were laughing.

They, 'cause they were, one of my friends was standing back and he said, yeah,

I've never seen anything that he said, I wish I had a video because like the,

the sky got dark and came and then like, it rained and then all the, everything

parted and clear and there was sunshine.

He is like, it looked like some kind of crazy movie.

And, um, I didn't think much of it, but uh, five years later I came back.

I visited the same friend we were walking through, and uh, and she

said, oh, I, I never followed up with you, but there's a school there now.

They, they built a school on the property.

They cleared it off, built a school, and there's like this, I don't remember, was

it fountain, but they'd made something right in that place that used to be the

scariest spot that nobody wanted to go in.

And she said, just cleaning the energy now, now they're actually

utilizing that big vortex of energy.

And, uh, yeah, I was, and I was just super happy.

'Cause I, I didn't have any intention.

I was just a tourist, but I happened to be there and, uh, I saw the

energy and didn't take it seriously.

And is that perhaps what strengthens or what identifies us with that

darkness or what pulls us into it is it is taking it serious?

It is identifying with it and it is fearing it.

Ultimately, that gives it its power.

Yeah, well, it's, um, I would, I would say that it's, it's looking at

the stories rather than the energy.

So stories can be very scary.

So here's a story about the history.

Here's a story about a person.

Here's a story about, um, something that happened.

All of that can create a lot of fear and tension.

It's easy to focus on that.

It's something tangible, think everybody can agree on.

You can tell the story and other people can tell the same story and so on.

But if you look at the energy, it's completely different.

So instead of, and this works on a big scale or you know, kinda

like the one I described, but it also works on a small scale.

Like if you're, if you're talking to a friend and you notice yourselves

getting down on something or somebody else that's not there, just notice

like, ah, what are we talking about?

Are we talking about this?

Are we just talking about the story?

Or are we talking about some energy underneath?

I love to make this shift when I, when I find myself being negative in some

way, um, I notice it and then say, okay, I'm, I'm just stuck in some story.

And then, uh, what, what else is happening?

Same thing we said before.

Just let my awareness expand what's happening beyond the story.

Oh, really interesting.

This story is happening because this energy is stuck over

here and it's not circulating.

Ah, that's, that's why I'm, but I'm fixated on this part.

If I'm fixated on this part of the stories, I can't, I can't see

the energy, I can't change it.

I can't start circulating something different.

So the story would be, a person's consciousness is hijacked

by a dark or evil entity.

That will be the story that is scary, that is fearful, i'm a victim.

I need to protect myself, I need to guard my energy.

All of it only inducing more fear and getting us, so to

speak, in a negative vibration.

But if we switch out of that in your own words and, and look at the energy,

it speaks a different language.

If there's, uh, if, if it has to do with other people, it, sometimes it helps to

remember that, somebody that's causing pain and confusion and like, sort of

spreading it in the world, there's only one reason that ever happens is that pain

and confusion is circulating within them.

Because it's circulating within them, just like if joy was circulating

within them, it's resonating out and and caring to other people, right?

And, uh, if I, if fear and confusion is, you know, somebody's circulating

that and it's re and it's resonating to other people, that's gonna create

a lot of scary, confusing stories about what's going on in the world.

And, uh, and it's easy to fixate on those and miss the fact that, uh, there's

another human in pain and confusion.

I can't imagine how much they must be hurting to be, you know, creating

this pain and confusion in the world that person's really hurting inside.

Like, suddenly when you see the energy automatically have compassion

the other, for the other person.

It doesn't make all their, you know, necessarily make their

actions acceptable or desirable.

But, you can still put that aside and look at the energy of the person and the human

and say, I, I have compassion for them.

I hope they feel better.

What, from your perception, what happens to someone who is circulating

this dark energy or, or fearful energy and doesn't become aware of

it, and what happens when they die?

It, it depends.

But if they're, if they're really fixated on something, like if we're

really fixated on something and we die, well, we tend to stay fixated on that.

I, I worked, I spent a lot of years working with ghosts.

Probably worked, you know, it some point now I've probably helped more people

than ghosts, but for a long time I'd helped more ghosts than people, right?

And it was kind of always the same story.

So, you know, when I, if I, if I found a ghost or if somebody felt like, uh, they,

they had a being inside them, like they were possessed in some way, or, you know.

So what we do is just, you know, uh, find the energy of that, that

spirit, that person who had died.

And the, the script is really simple.

I, I'd first say, I, I actually learned this, uh, you know, I was

gonna school for this, oddly enough.

And, uh, the script is really simple.

So I just say like, uh, hi, you know, I can see you.

And then usually that's like, oh, well, okay, so I just got a hello.

Nobody's said hello to me 'cause I don't have a body anymore.

That ghost is kind of surprised.

And then, um, started chatting a little bit, you know, Hey, what do you want?

What's up?

And then at some point I'd say, did you know that you're dead?

What?

Because right where, where they are is, they're stuck on something right here.

Like I said, just looking around like they're fixated and whatever, whatever

energy they couldn't let go of in life, the, the story that they had

that was so strong they couldn't let go of it is still there when they die

and they still, and that's why they're hanging out here around the planet.

' Cause they don't need to be, right?

And so, uh, just, you know, saying hello to them saying, uh, another

thing I'd ask is, uh, what year is it?

And then the, they'll be like, uh, 1995.

And I'm like, it's actually 2026 right now.

So just pushing that picture back a bit.

What?

Yeah.

Did you know you died?

What?

Picture's getting further and further away, right?

And as you do this, and then it's like, okay, so did you notice

the big, uh, light up there?

Did you see that?

Oh, like, that's your next step.

Like, you don't have to stay stuck in the story.

Usually that's enough.

You know, just seeing, seeing that it doesn't, like I'm not asking

them what bad things they do, why are they hurting somebody?

How do I protect them?

How do I attack them?

Like, none of that matters.

It's just what's happening with the energy.

Just like people that are alive, they're still stuck in some pictures,

some information, some story.

So just help put a little distance there, show 'em a next step and have compassion.

Almost always, they go.

This differs very much from the spirit guides who are helping

humans evolve in consciousness.

So one is stuck on the kind of human plane, and the other is perhaps,

if we can say, so consciously choosing to support humanity.

Yeah.

Very different.

Yeah.

Ghosts.

Ghosts are basically just, uh, just like stuck.

People that didn't, you know, they haven't noticed yet that they died.

Um, it's, I mean, uh, occasionally I bumped into ghosts that knew they

were dead, but that was very rare.

Um, they'd have to be really upset about something to still stick around.

There's so much more I want to ask you, but the, let's, I want to fi

finalize with one, one question here.

We hear about people going through some kind of astral journey or having

very powerful out of body experiences.

Is there a danger there?

Not danger in the sense of, oh, an evil entity will come.

That's the story, yeah.

But, but is there, is there a risk with going too much out of the body

and kind of losing one's own center?

how do I describe that?

Well, first thing I would say is there's, it, it's a lot of fun,

like traveling outta body, doing all these things like super fun.

I can get it.

I, I got into that and played with that, you know, for a while.

But I would say there's no information out there that you need.

Everything you need is in here, in your life in the present moment.

So it's, it's basically just, um, it's kind of an.

It's interesting to notice your capabilities are greater

than you thought they were.

So that's, that's really powerful, really expanding.

But, um, it's always gonna be more powerful to just be back here in

your body in this present moment.

You know, just breathing, feeling the chair you're sitting on, feeling your

feet on the floor, touching your hands.

You know, doing something to bring you back to the moment, uh, is, is gonna

be much more effective in your life.

Because if you, if you're not here, if you're spread out all over the

place with your energy and attention, it's hard to do simple things, right?

That's why when you, you know, if you're walking to the bathroom at night,

sometimes, you know, spend, I'll just bump my shoulder into the wall 'cause

I'm not really in my body, right?

Yeah.

Uh, you don't wanna walk around in life like that.

So, you know, is there a danger?

Uh, a little bit.

You're not gonna have as much fun, you're not gonna be very effective.

But there isn't a danger, like, uh, existential danger, like,

um, that you're harming yourself.

Uh, I would say it's, it's kinda like, uh, sometimes I like to go to Disneyland

and just ride the rides and have a lot of fun, but I don't wanna ride them all

day, every day for the rest of my life.

You know?

I want to, to come back and then be in my life and focus on kind of the here

and now and the same kind of thing.

I, I love that it kind of brings the conversation full circle, that,

that the real power ultimately lies in the present and in this moment.

And this is where the answers are.

And that also, it's very practical.

I always like to say that the spiritual journey is quite

paradoxically, extremely practical.

It is.

Yeah.

If you want to, um, if you want to make a lot of change or be really productive

at work or in your relationships and so on, uh, just focus more on being present.

You know, let, letting it be okay that you're, have energies to

releasing, like we mentioned earlier.

And let, let yourself expand more and, and, and see what, what's

beyond the stories I'm hearing.

And all of a sudden you'll notice that, oh, I'm, I'm

connecting more with other people.

I'm resonating with them in a way I didn't realize it was before.

And the, the same life is being lived with a different feeling of being

present, a different awareness, a different fullness to it than you.

And, and you didn't, maybe didn't change anything on the outside.

Same job, same relationship, same haircut, you know, but, but all

of a sudden you're experiencing it in a, in a much richer way.

That's, that's gonna lead to new conversations and job opportunities and

you know, I mean, everything feels like it opens up when you're in that state.

' Cause you're participating in this life fully, I presume.

You are.

You, you are here quite literally.

And I suppose the outer body experiences can become a form of running away from

this present moment life because the heavy energies will most likely come up in the

present moment and not when we're going out of the body and kind of visualizing.

Yeah.

I, I think it's, it's great.

Like I, I've, you know, tried, you know, any, uh, thing you can

imagine that's like a far out there or, I love trying all this stuff.

It's really nice, but it's, it's also nice to kind of come home to

the present moment, to the body.

That's, that's where fulfillment comes.

It's not, it's not out there.

You don't have to chase it.

Just, just come right back here and find it.

Jeffrey, where can people connect with you and find your work?

So you can find me on, uh, my website.

I'm jeffreyallen.com.

Uh, you can also find me on uh, spiritmind.com.

That's the website that I, and the teaching that I have with my wife Hisami.

If you guys are interested, there's, um, this beautiful little five day

course that I just made that's all experiential about kind of awareness and

easy ways to be present in the moment.

So it's like five different ways to be present and to, and

to come back to the moment.

And, uh, it's, it's very simple.

It's like maybe two minutes a day, just a little tool and then you

just practice throughout the day.

And, uh, that's kind of the best, um, best tool that I've created

recently is, it's really fun.

Just 'cause it's all experiential.

No, no lectures, no information.

Just doing it.

I love that because it has to be simple because ultimately

the truth is simple, isn't it?

It has to be simple.

If it's complex, it brings us back into the mind.

Yeah.

Exactly.

And that's what it's Called.

Five, Five Days to Calm Your Mind and Meet Your Spirit.

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