1 00:00:03,645 --> 00:00:06,865 Intro: Hey folks, it's Marvin Cash, the host of the Articulate Fly. 2 00:00:07,605 --> 00:00:12,385 Intro: On this episode, I'm joined by Olympic skier, angler, and podcaster, Andy Mill. 3 00:00:13,005 --> 00:00:16,365 Intro: Andy generously shares life lessons and wisdom from his skiing, 4 00:00:16,605 --> 00:00:18,225 Intro: angling, and broadcasting journey. 5 00:00:18,745 --> 00:00:22,565 Intro: I think you're really going to enjoy this one. But before we get to the interview, 6 00:00:22,745 --> 00:00:24,185 Intro: just a couple of housekeeping items. 7 00:00:24,425 --> 00:00:28,805 Intro: If you like the podcast, please tell a friend, and please subscribe and leave 8 00:00:28,805 --> 00:00:32,665 Intro: us a rating and review in the podcatcher of your choice. 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And, you know, one of the things we like to 20 00:01:18,365 --> 00:01:21,705 Marvin: do, we have a tradition on the Articulate Fly. we like to ask all of our guests 21 00:01:21,705 --> 00:01:23,405 Marvin: to share their earliest fishing memory. 22 00:01:25,605 --> 00:01:26,045 Andy: Oh. 23 00:01:29,553 --> 00:01:34,673 Andy: I just remember a photograph. I don't really remember actually catching the fish. 24 00:01:36,813 --> 00:01:43,993 Andy: I was probably maybe five or six years old. The photograph of me with a fish I was gutting. 25 00:01:44,433 --> 00:01:52,993 Andy: I remember with my father in Laramie, Wyoming, he was giving me a piggyback ride. We were fishing. 26 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:55,853 Andy: It was getting late, and you could see the cast flies flying. 27 00:01:55,973 --> 00:02:03,253 Andy: I remember that. The actual fishing part, I don't really remember much about that aspect of it. 28 00:02:03,313 --> 00:02:08,633 Andy: I just remembered I just always loved doing all the different things I did as 29 00:02:08,633 --> 00:02:10,753 Andy: a kid. Nothing really stood out. 30 00:02:11,253 --> 00:02:16,913 Andy: But in saltwater fly fishing, those kind of memories you'll never forget because 31 00:02:16,913 --> 00:02:21,173 Andy: we're talking really big fish, really powerful fish. 32 00:02:21,173 --> 00:02:25,353 Andy: And when something like a tarpon, he opens his mouth, eat your fly, 33 00:02:25,493 --> 00:02:28,133 Andy: it knocks your teeth out of your head. 34 00:02:28,273 --> 00:02:31,233 Andy: I mean, it's like, oh, my God, how could you ever forget that, you know? 35 00:02:32,853 --> 00:02:36,713 Andy: But I've always loved fishing. And I grew up here in Aspen, Colorado, 36 00:02:36,933 --> 00:02:38,533 Andy: once my family moved here in 1960. 37 00:02:39,473 --> 00:02:43,993 Andy: And I learned how to tie flies. I saw this fly line going across space. 38 00:02:44,673 --> 00:02:49,373 Andy: And the great Ernie Sweebert was in town giving these clinics for the country 39 00:02:49,373 --> 00:02:54,533 Andy: store. I was on my bike going to baseball practice, and I veered over there, 40 00:02:54,693 --> 00:02:57,673 Andy: and all of a sudden, I had a fly rod in my hand. 41 00:02:57,833 --> 00:03:01,613 Andy: I think I was probably eight or maybe nine years old. 42 00:03:03,773 --> 00:03:06,793 Andy: From that point forward, I was a fly fisherman. 43 00:03:07,193 --> 00:03:11,873 Andy: I was a fly fisherman. I loved the whole fly line part of the whole thing. 44 00:03:12,013 --> 00:03:18,093 Andy: Then once I tied my first fly and I caught a fish with my first fly that I tied, it was game over. 45 00:03:19,773 --> 00:03:23,193 Marvin: Yeah, it's a great thing, too. You know, it's funny, you know, 46 00:03:23,193 --> 00:03:26,313 Marvin: trying to explain to kind of younger people today what it was like to learn to fly fish. 47 00:03:26,473 --> 00:03:28,813 Marvin: And, you know, there was no YouTube and you had to read books. 48 00:03:28,933 --> 00:03:32,193 Marvin: And, you know, I tell my boys I sent away, you know, self-addressed stamped 49 00:03:32,193 --> 00:03:36,373 Marvin: envelopes to get catalogs. And it was really just kind of a neat time to kind 50 00:03:36,373 --> 00:03:37,793 Marvin: of be outdoors and do those things. 51 00:03:38,293 --> 00:03:41,833 Andy: Yeah, for sure. You know, you asked me the first time, my first memories, 52 00:03:41,933 --> 00:03:45,253 Andy: I don't remember the very first time because I was so young, 53 00:03:45,313 --> 00:03:49,653 Andy: but the first time I saw that, that trout eat my renegade that I had tied, 54 00:03:49,813 --> 00:03:52,693 Andy: that was probably a big light switch. 55 00:03:53,133 --> 00:03:56,733 Andy: And the saltwater switch was the first time I saw a tarpon eat my fly, 56 00:03:56,813 --> 00:04:01,013 Andy: you know, so both freshwater and saltwater, it's all about the take. 57 00:04:01,053 --> 00:04:05,073 Andy: It's all about the bite, you know, then, you know, you're in the game. 58 00:04:05,353 --> 00:04:08,313 Marvin: Yeah. It's It's interesting, too. And, you know, you've been fortunate. 59 00:04:08,353 --> 00:04:12,113 Marvin: You had a really long career in fishing even before you were kind of officially in fishing. 60 00:04:12,733 --> 00:04:15,693 Marvin: And you've been able to fish and be mentored by a lot of people. 61 00:04:15,793 --> 00:04:18,733 Marvin: So I won't say ask you to list them all, but are there a couple that kind of 62 00:04:18,733 --> 00:04:22,793 Marvin: stand out as being particularly impactful on your development as an angler? 63 00:04:25,210 --> 00:04:29,550 Andy: Chuck Fothergill, he had a very famous, well-known name in this country. 64 00:04:29,650 --> 00:04:35,430 Andy: He first started learning or teaching how to put weight on your leader with 65 00:04:35,430 --> 00:04:37,470 Andy: nymphs. He taught me how to tie flies. 66 00:04:37,630 --> 00:04:39,810 Andy: And then the great Ernie Schwiebert taught me how to fly cast. 67 00:04:41,770 --> 00:04:50,430 Andy: In the saltwater world, it was Harry Spear. He and Steve Hoff had won more saltwater 68 00:04:50,430 --> 00:04:53,990 Andy: fly rod tournaments than anyone in the lower keys. 69 00:04:53,990 --> 00:04:56,750 Andy: And so harry was my mentor i 70 00:04:56,750 --> 00:04:59,910 Andy: fished with him 40 40 days a 71 00:04:59,910 --> 00:05:03,510 Andy: year before for seven years before 72 00:05:03,510 --> 00:05:06,490 Andy: i ever fished a tournament and i didn't realize 73 00:05:06,490 --> 00:05:11,530 Andy: it at the time but he was grooming me for to be a tournament angler he knew 74 00:05:11,530 --> 00:05:17,390 Andy: he was very adamant about about how to do things the difference between right 75 00:05:17,390 --> 00:05:24,690 Andy: and wrong um i had other great people in my life like lefty cray uh flip pallet Steve Huff. 76 00:05:24,750 --> 00:05:32,610 Andy: I had all these icons in the periphery of my world, but they're not mentors per se. 77 00:05:33,870 --> 00:05:38,930 Andy: I think Lefty was a great mentor in the fact, not necessarily a mentor, 78 00:05:39,030 --> 00:05:44,750 Andy: but he was very inspirational in that he taught the world of saltwater fly fishing, 79 00:05:44,910 --> 00:05:47,450 Andy: how celebrities should act. 80 00:05:48,590 --> 00:05:51,850 Andy: He was just so genuine and real 81 00:05:51,850 --> 00:05:55,150 Andy: and common and but but 82 00:05:55,150 --> 00:06:00,410 Andy: bigger than life he did everything wrote all the books the casting the humor 83 00:06:00,410 --> 00:06:06,690 Andy: but he was always so humble and kind that's what i take from him flip palette 84 00:06:06,690 --> 00:06:12,190 Andy: brought me to the saltwater world because i was a skier here in aspen well after 85 00:06:12,190 --> 00:06:14,470 Andy: my athletic competitive years, 86 00:06:14,610 --> 00:06:18,530 Andy: but I couldn't wait for Saturday morning to see Flip and his show, 87 00:06:18,610 --> 00:06:21,650 Andy: Walker's Gate Chronicles. I wanted to be on his boat. 88 00:06:22,430 --> 00:06:26,350 Andy: Oh my God, he was everywhere. And then when I finally met him, 89 00:06:26,930 --> 00:06:31,050 Andy: it was like, it was so profound. 90 00:06:31,610 --> 00:06:37,810 Andy: It was like me meeting Jean-Claude Keeley because this was Flip, you know, my hero. 91 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:42,990 Andy: And then many years later, I had written a book. 92 00:06:43,050 --> 00:06:48,730 Andy: It was kind of a funny, you know, come to Jesus moment for me and an pinch me, oh my God moment. 93 00:06:49,250 --> 00:06:53,550 Andy: I was eventually well down the road. Many years later, I was doing a tarpon 94 00:06:53,550 --> 00:06:57,990 Andy: presentation at the International Game Fish Association in the big lobby. 95 00:06:58,510 --> 00:07:01,510 Andy: And there were about, I don't know, maybe 100 people in there. 96 00:07:01,610 --> 00:07:07,790 Andy: And in the audience was Stu App, Lefty Cray, Flip Pallet. 97 00:07:09,756 --> 00:07:13,976 Andy: And I'm looking out. Here I am trying to tell them my methodology. 98 00:07:14,856 --> 00:07:19,016 Andy: And then two hours later, we went across the street at Bass Pro Shops, 99 00:07:19,016 --> 00:07:21,396 Andy: and we're all signing autographs. I'd written a book by then. 100 00:07:21,556 --> 00:07:25,016 Andy: And I look down the line, and I'm looking. Here's Chico Fernandez. 101 00:07:25,916 --> 00:07:27,856 Andy: Here's Lefty. Here's Flip. 102 00:07:29,596 --> 00:07:32,996 Andy: There's Lefty. It was just like, oh, my God, this is my world now. 103 00:07:33,336 --> 00:07:37,696 Andy: All of a sudden, that was my world. And to ever think that I was going to go 104 00:07:37,696 --> 00:07:43,656 Andy: from an Olympic skier to having written a book and speaking about tarpon and 105 00:07:43,656 --> 00:07:44,616 Andy: winning tarpon tournaments, 106 00:07:45,176 --> 00:07:53,716 Andy: I mean, it's like somebody hit me with a magic wand and placed me down the road in that realm. 107 00:07:55,216 --> 00:07:58,116 Marvin: Yeah, that's fantastic. You know, it's interesting, too. We were talking before 108 00:07:58,116 --> 00:08:01,936 Marvin: we started recording that, you know, we met. I mean, it was kind of amazing. 109 00:08:02,096 --> 00:08:04,276 Marvin: I tell people the story, and I'm just like, it's crazy. They're like, 110 00:08:04,336 --> 00:08:06,876 Marvin: how was Edison? I was like, well, I met Andy Mill. They're like, no way. 111 00:08:07,656 --> 00:08:10,496 Marvin: And, you know, I say, you know, I was literally walking the show. 112 00:08:10,596 --> 00:08:12,356 Marvin: I think it was on that Friday with David Blinken. 113 00:08:12,616 --> 00:08:16,696 Marvin: And he introduced me, and you graciously agreed to be on the podcast. 114 00:08:16,696 --> 00:08:19,236 Marvin: But I thought the interesting thing, we started talking about, 115 00:08:19,236 --> 00:08:23,196 Marvin: you know, being a competitive skier and how it translated. 116 00:08:23,276 --> 00:08:25,996 Marvin: And you're like, well, I just never thought of myself as a great skier, 117 00:08:26,016 --> 00:08:29,176 Marvin: right? I was a good skier, but I became a great tarpon angler. 118 00:08:29,376 --> 00:08:32,836 Marvin: And I thought that was an incredibly fascinating thing to say because, 119 00:08:32,916 --> 00:08:35,436 Marvin: I mean, I think of you as being a great skier and a great tarpon angler. 120 00:08:35,996 --> 00:08:40,196 Marvin: And I was wondering if you could kind of explain that a little bit for our listeners 121 00:08:40,196 --> 00:08:41,276 Marvin: because I think it's so interesting. 122 00:08:43,336 --> 00:08:44,056 Andy: Here's the deal. 123 00:08:46,876 --> 00:08:53,116 Andy: It's really hard to ski in the Olympics. They only take four Americans to ski in the downhill. 124 00:08:54,336 --> 00:08:57,596 Andy: So I was ranked the number one American downhiller for nine years. 125 00:08:57,656 --> 00:08:59,856 Andy: I skied in two Olympics and four world championships. 126 00:09:02,439 --> 00:09:09,159 Andy: Great skiers win the Olympics. If you don't win, how can you be great? 127 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,999 Andy: In my book, for the average guy, of course I was great. 128 00:09:15,019 --> 00:09:16,639 Andy: I represented the country. 129 00:09:17,719 --> 00:09:24,759 Andy: But I didn't realize the difference between great and good until I became a tarpon fisherman. 130 00:09:26,519 --> 00:09:31,719 Andy: My last year skiing, I was finally on the cusp of winning. I got fifth in the 131 00:09:31,719 --> 00:09:34,139 Andy: pre-Olympics. I got sixth in the 76th Olympics. 132 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:41,799 Andy: I was right on the edge. My last year as an athlete, I finally got a great mentor. 133 00:09:41,859 --> 00:09:45,259 Andy: I got great skis. I finally got to the point that I can win. 134 00:09:45,439 --> 00:09:48,279 Andy: And then I hit a fence in Switzerland and I broke my neck, my back, 135 00:09:48,299 --> 00:09:50,819 Andy: my leg, and my ski career was over. 136 00:09:51,099 --> 00:09:55,019 Andy: As I mentioned to you earlier, I basically ran out of body. 137 00:09:55,119 --> 00:10:00,619 Andy: I'd already had like 10 knee operations. Now, I had a broken neck and a broken back. 138 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:08,899 Andy: Once I got into tarpon fishing, and it's comparing apples to oranges because 139 00:10:08,899 --> 00:10:11,619 Andy: you can't compare skiing in the Olympics to winning the gold cup. 140 00:10:12,019 --> 00:10:16,119 Andy: They're completely two different things. It was so much easier to win the gold 141 00:10:16,119 --> 00:10:19,659 Andy: cup than it is to win the Olympics because you have all these countries, 142 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:21,599 Andy: the best skiers in all these countries. 143 00:10:21,619 --> 00:10:24,019 Andy: It's a high-end professional sport. 144 00:10:24,259 --> 00:10:26,879 Andy: People are being paid a lot of money to win the Olympics. 145 00:10:27,859 --> 00:10:32,979 Andy: But in the fly fishing world, winning the gold cup was like winning the Olympics. 146 00:10:33,939 --> 00:10:42,419 Andy: So once I started to taste, you know, victory, success with Harry Spear being 147 00:10:42,419 --> 00:10:45,059 Andy: my mentor, we fished my first tournament together. 148 00:10:46,059 --> 00:10:50,779 Andy: I got second in the bonefish, spring bonefish fly tournament. We won the fall fly. 149 00:10:51,059 --> 00:10:54,559 Andy: I got third in the first tarpon tournament with Harry. It was the gold cup. 150 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:59,539 Andy: Then I started understanding the difference between winning and doing well. 151 00:11:01,941 --> 00:11:05,041 Andy: And once I tasted that, there was no let up. 152 00:11:05,121 --> 00:11:10,241 Andy: It was like, since I never won as a skier, as a fisherman, it was like, 153 00:11:10,281 --> 00:11:13,461 Andy: I am not going to allow myself to lose. 154 00:11:14,581 --> 00:11:17,781 Andy: And I wasn't quite there yet because I won a bonefish tournament, 155 00:11:17,841 --> 00:11:19,041 Andy: but I hadn't won a tarpon tournament. 156 00:11:19,641 --> 00:11:23,641 Andy: But once I realized I was knocking on that door, I got fourth in the first tournament. 157 00:11:23,841 --> 00:11:29,421 Andy: I won the very first golden fly tournament I fished in. I won the first permit 158 00:11:29,421 --> 00:11:31,481 Andy: tournament I fished, the only, the Dell Brown. 159 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:34,561 Andy: But once I tasted that, it was like there was no let up. 160 00:11:35,501 --> 00:11:43,581 Andy: And the difference or the years, the span of years with my victories were 18 years. 161 00:11:44,481 --> 00:11:49,261 Andy: My first one to my last one. But I feel like I did not sleep for 15 years. 162 00:11:49,901 --> 00:11:55,261 Andy: I was so driven. In the winter, I was like tying flies and tying leisure and 163 00:11:55,261 --> 00:11:57,221 Andy: pulling on tippets and pulling on scales. 164 00:11:58,321 --> 00:12:05,201 Andy: I was a maniac. yet but i felt like that was the difference in really becoming 165 00:12:05,201 --> 00:12:07,621 Andy: as great as i became as a fisherman, 166 00:12:08,141 --> 00:12:15,041 Andy: it was i was i was relentless but as a skier i was too young i didn't have a 167 00:12:15,041 --> 00:12:18,501 Andy: great mentor i didn't not i didn't have the the understanding of what it takes 168 00:12:18,501 --> 00:12:20,621 Andy: to win i was just trying to do well, 169 00:12:21,561 --> 00:12:25,961 Andy: but but like the european skiers and some of the other americans once the american 170 00:12:25,961 --> 00:12:29,801 Andy: team got from from out of behind the eight ball, then we had a chance to win, 171 00:12:29,881 --> 00:12:32,401 Andy: but it took a long time. It was right at the end of my career. 172 00:12:32,981 --> 00:12:39,661 Andy: But if you take a look at fishing in tournaments, it's almost like an oxymoron. 173 00:12:39,741 --> 00:12:44,021 Andy: It's a contrast in what we should be doing as fishermen. 174 00:12:44,681 --> 00:12:48,561 Andy: I just happened to become a tournament fisherman, and it was very, 175 00:12:48,661 --> 00:12:50,601 Andy: very important for me to win tournaments. 176 00:12:51,141 --> 00:12:55,901 Marvin: Yeah. And was that something that, you know, kind of cracking the code and having 177 00:12:55,901 --> 00:13:00,141 Marvin: your body run out in skiing that kind of haunted you, that gave you that drive? 178 00:13:01,761 --> 00:13:07,201 Andy: I didn't learn how to win until I got hurt. That last year, I finally realized what it took to win. 179 00:13:08,301 --> 00:13:13,061 Andy: I reapplied myself. I rededicated my life to skiing. 180 00:13:13,361 --> 00:13:18,481 Andy: And I realized I had just maybe a couple years left. And I went all in. 181 00:13:19,361 --> 00:13:23,121 Andy: But I never did that before. I was too immature. I was too young. 182 00:13:23,121 --> 00:13:25,101 Andy: I skied in my first Olympics when I was 23. 183 00:13:26,461 --> 00:13:29,921 Andy: I was not mature enough. 184 00:13:30,101 --> 00:13:37,821 Andy: I was distracted by the lifestyle of Aspen, which was on fire back in the 70s. 185 00:13:38,521 --> 00:13:41,341 Andy: Aspen was a generation of innocence. 186 00:13:45,021 --> 00:13:49,601 Andy: Sexual revolution was taking place. It was a total anarchy of this country post-Vietnam. 187 00:13:51,201 --> 00:13:54,941 Andy: And I wanted to take a big bite out of that apple, and I did. 188 00:13:55,381 --> 00:13:58,521 Andy: But in doing so, I sacrificed that as an athlete. 189 00:13:59,141 --> 00:14:02,941 Andy: But in my later years, I was married to Chrissy. I had kids. 190 00:14:03,321 --> 00:14:07,921 Andy: I had my TV show that I was producing and hosting. And now I had a chance to 191 00:14:07,921 --> 00:14:14,361 Andy: fish these tournaments. And it gave me a complete understanding of perspective 192 00:14:14,361 --> 00:14:17,181 Andy: from being a skier to now a fisherman. 193 00:14:17,821 --> 00:14:23,061 Andy: And I knew the difference. And I knew what it was going to take for me to win. 194 00:14:23,881 --> 00:14:28,901 Marvin: Yeah. And I imagine, too, you also knew that that opportunity wasn't going to last forever, right? 195 00:14:29,641 --> 00:14:31,461 Andy: I didn't think about that. 196 00:14:31,641 --> 00:14:32,061 Marvin: Really? 197 00:14:32,561 --> 00:14:34,781 Andy: I never thought I was going to be 71. 198 00:14:36,321 --> 00:14:37,101 Marvin: Fair enough. 199 00:14:37,101 --> 00:14:42,641 Andy: You just think this road's going to last forever, you know? 200 00:14:43,621 --> 00:14:50,201 Andy: But I couldn't have put more effort into what I did to win tournaments than I did. 201 00:14:51,541 --> 00:14:57,561 Andy: And looking back, I didn't have that as a skier, but you don't get second chances. 202 00:14:58,221 --> 00:15:02,001 Andy: And so I was very lucky to have a second chance as a fisherman, 203 00:15:02,161 --> 00:15:04,581 Andy: and I count my blessings for that. 204 00:15:05,581 --> 00:15:08,881 Marvin: And what was it that, you know, I know you grew up fishing for trout, 205 00:15:08,921 --> 00:15:12,481 Marvin: but, you know, what was it that attracted you to the salt and tarpon in particular? 206 00:15:14,592 --> 00:15:19,332 Andy: Well, I think it really stems, you know, initially with Flip Pallet and his TV show, 207 00:15:19,472 --> 00:15:23,852 Andy: you know, catching these great fish on flies, you know, sailfish and marlin 208 00:15:23,852 --> 00:15:28,972 Andy: and bonefish and carp and just the adventure of running in a little 16-foot 209 00:15:28,972 --> 00:15:30,572 Andy: skiff out over the cross, 210 00:15:30,692 --> 00:15:35,312 Andy: the surface of the ocean and catching these giants, right? 211 00:15:36,732 --> 00:15:41,992 Andy: Trout are not giants. I skied at 80 miles an hour for a living. 212 00:15:41,992 --> 00:15:47,032 Andy: I wanted to catch big fish that would scare the shit out of me that was what 213 00:15:47,032 --> 00:15:52,032 Andy: I wanted to do trout don't scare me you know that's. 214 00:15:52,032 --> 00:15:55,052 Marvin: Funny and so did it you know you know and I know you went into bone fishing 215 00:15:55,052 --> 00:15:58,012 Marvin: permit but does that all do you also like have an interest in like catching 216 00:15:58,012 --> 00:16:02,872 Marvin: makos and sailfish and billfish on the fly or is that not interest you you. 217 00:16:02,872 --> 00:16:07,172 Andy: Know what I've caught marlin on a fly I've cut you know a number of sailfish 218 00:16:07,172 --> 00:16:11,632 Andy: on a fly um that kind of stuff doesn't really interest me a whole lot because 219 00:16:11,632 --> 00:16:17,632 Andy: you're waiting for the fish to hit your teaser you you tease them in and you do the bait and switch, 220 00:16:18,312 --> 00:16:23,772 Andy: that's cool marlin are huge i get seasick that's the biggest problem i have 221 00:16:23,772 --> 00:16:33,352 Andy: um but i cut gts in the seychelles i am i am more of a hunter and my son and 222 00:16:33,352 --> 00:16:35,792 Andy: i hunt uh elk in the fall with bone arrows, 223 00:16:37,192 --> 00:16:42,152 Andy: we've been doing that for i don't know close to i've been doing it close to maybe 15 years, 224 00:16:42,632 --> 00:16:49,312 Andy: maybe a little bit more 20 years when we fish in the salt we hunt and now i 225 00:16:49,312 --> 00:16:53,172 Andy: find myself hunting for trout so when i go trout fishing i'm looking for a fish 226 00:16:53,172 --> 00:16:57,032 Andy: that's feeding on the surface or i may find a riffle and try to find a fish 227 00:16:57,032 --> 00:16:58,892 Andy: that's feeding in that riffle on nymphs, 228 00:16:59,592 --> 00:17:03,372 Andy: and i'll try to catch that one fish i don't want to catch 15 or 20 or 30 fish 229 00:17:03,372 --> 00:17:05,272 Andy: i want to catch that one fish. 230 00:17:07,112 --> 00:17:12,712 Andy: Now I'm riveted. I see that animal right there, and I want him. 231 00:17:13,692 --> 00:17:15,912 Andy: That's where I get my fill as a trout fisherman. 232 00:17:17,192 --> 00:17:22,772 Marvin: Got it. Andy, how would you define what being a great tarpon angler means? 233 00:17:25,572 --> 00:17:31,512 Andy: Being a great tarpon angler is an angler who can catch the fish that doesn't want to be caught. 234 00:17:33,912 --> 00:17:36,812 Andy: Not everybody's going to graduate or gravitate to tournaments. 235 00:17:36,892 --> 00:17:38,212 Andy: And I just want to put that aside. 236 00:17:38,352 --> 00:17:42,532 Andy: That was my bag, you know, and I don't want to say that you're not going to 237 00:17:42,532 --> 00:17:46,292 Andy: be a great tarpon fisherman unless you win the gold cup. That is, that is total false. 238 00:17:47,072 --> 00:17:50,132 Andy: There's a lot of fit, a lot of great fishermen out there that have never, 239 00:17:50,192 --> 00:17:55,052 Andy: never fished a tournament, but that was my, that was my baseline for, for greatness. 240 00:17:55,272 --> 00:18:02,032 Andy: But when you put that term baseline to the side, a great guide is the guide 241 00:18:02,032 --> 00:18:03,872 Andy: who can find the fish that doesn't want to be found. 242 00:18:04,632 --> 00:18:08,832 Andy: And when you put that great guide with an angler that can catch the fish that 243 00:18:08,832 --> 00:18:11,772 Andy: doesn't want to be found, that's a home run. 244 00:18:12,532 --> 00:18:18,032 Andy: You are going to empty the ocean when you put those two guys together. 245 00:18:18,732 --> 00:18:22,712 Andy: And so when I was fishing tournaments, I wanted to be with that guide who can 246 00:18:22,712 --> 00:18:26,012 Andy: find the fish that doesn't want to be found. And those guys wanted me. 247 00:18:26,992 --> 00:18:29,072 Andy: And that's why we ended up doing so well. 248 00:18:30,252 --> 00:18:32,872 Marvin: Yeah, that's neat. It's always interesting Cause I mean, I always, 249 00:18:32,972 --> 00:18:35,972 Marvin: you know, I put a lot of pressure on myself when I fish with guides, 250 00:18:36,052 --> 00:18:39,952 Marvin: cause I always want to, um, fish as an extension of the guide, right. 251 00:18:40,052 --> 00:18:42,672 Marvin: You know, cause there's only like, he can't catch the fish for you, 252 00:18:42,712 --> 00:18:46,172 Marvin: right. He can help you put the boat in the right place, find the fish. 253 00:18:46,672 --> 00:18:49,792 Marvin: But, um, I always think that there's a kind of, it's almost like running a relay 254 00:18:49,792 --> 00:18:51,312 Marvin: and then he passes the baton to you. 255 00:18:51,912 --> 00:18:55,572 Marvin: Um, and so that's always kind of my goal when I'm on the water is to kind of 256 00:18:55,572 --> 00:18:58,752 Marvin: honor that commitment and all that time and energy and thought that the guide 257 00:18:58,752 --> 00:19:00,572 Marvin: put into creating that situation. 258 00:19:00,572 --> 00:19:06,012 Andy: Let me tell you, that's hopeful thinking. And I'll tell you why. 259 00:19:07,892 --> 00:19:16,092 Andy: The average saltwater fisherman does not fish that often to be able to do that for that guide. 260 00:19:17,492 --> 00:19:25,932 Andy: And casting dexterity, right there. They're really good fishermen, 261 00:19:26,172 --> 00:19:28,272 Andy: really good saltwater fishermen. 262 00:19:28,372 --> 00:19:30,952 Andy: They don't have casting dexterity. 263 00:19:33,199 --> 00:19:37,939 Andy: Casting dexterity is regardless of the position of the boat and the direction 264 00:19:37,939 --> 00:19:43,099 Andy: of the wind, whether the fish is at 9 o'clock, 265 00:19:43,899 --> 00:19:48,839 Andy: 1 o'clock over here, 3 o'clock, a backhand cast into a 20-mile-an-hour wind, 266 00:19:49,459 --> 00:19:52,699 Andy: forehand cast over your head. 267 00:19:52,699 --> 00:19:55,879 Andy: So your head's between your rod and your fly line where you 268 00:19:55,879 --> 00:19:58,819 Andy: where you cut that fly line in the middle of the boat between the 269 00:19:58,819 --> 00:20:02,259 Andy: guide and that angler making a forehand cast out 270 00:20:02,259 --> 00:20:05,259 Andy: there at nine nine o'clock at 70 feet with the wind blowing 20 271 00:20:05,259 --> 00:20:10,119 Andy: miles an hour right into your face you can't make a forehand cast because you're 272 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,919 Andy: going to pull the fly right into your face you can't make a backhand cast so 273 00:20:14,919 --> 00:20:18,999 Andy: you're going to hook your guide so that forehand cast that rod's got to be high 274 00:20:18,999 --> 00:20:24,319 Andy: and when When you come back with that backhand cast, that fly is coming over your left shoulder. 275 00:20:26,059 --> 00:20:29,419 Andy: Cutting the boat, cutting the string, casting between the boat, 276 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:31,699 Andy: not very many people can do that. 277 00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:35,559 Andy: And it takes years. A lot of guides don't even know how to teach this stuff. 278 00:20:37,419 --> 00:20:42,679 Andy: So when you fall short on the bow of your boat, you got to remember, 279 00:20:42,859 --> 00:20:47,699 Andy: most people fish tarpon maybe only a week a year. 280 00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:54,559 Andy: It's so hard to do well with your casting without being on the water. 281 00:20:56,219 --> 00:21:00,799 Andy: It's hard to learn in a park. Most people, when the guide says you need to practice, 282 00:21:01,019 --> 00:21:03,059 Andy: need to go to the park and practice, right? 283 00:21:04,099 --> 00:21:09,399 Andy: They don't know how to fix mistakes. They don't even know what a mistake looks like. 284 00:21:10,139 --> 00:21:14,619 Andy: So how do you practice? It's like telling somebody to go to the golf range and 285 00:21:14,619 --> 00:21:17,219 Andy: practice. They've never had a lesson. Right? 286 00:21:19,499 --> 00:21:26,339 Andy: So that's the issue with saltwater anglers, is that it's really hard. 287 00:21:26,779 --> 00:21:31,739 Andy: It's really hard, especially if you, let's just say you fish two weeks a year. 288 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:37,619 Andy: They're doing the best they can with what they've got. 289 00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:44,099 Andy: And sometimes I feel sorry for them because they want to get better, 290 00:21:44,099 --> 00:21:50,839 Andy: But unless they fish really a lot for a long time, it's really hard to get really, really good. 291 00:21:51,999 --> 00:21:55,139 Marvin: Yeah, I think that's kind of the whole, you know, I always say people never 292 00:21:55,139 --> 00:21:56,439 Marvin: fish as much as they want to. 293 00:21:56,579 --> 00:22:00,199 Marvin: So then the question is, given how much you can fish, how good can you really get? 294 00:22:01,059 --> 00:22:05,739 Andy: Right. But you can study on the internet how to double haul, 295 00:22:05,959 --> 00:22:07,779 Andy: how to make a backhand cast. 296 00:22:08,299 --> 00:22:11,179 Andy: You know, there's a lot of information on the internet. 297 00:22:11,179 --> 00:22:15,699 Andy: That so most people when they see a tailing loop they don't even know what a tailing loop is, 298 00:22:16,219 --> 00:22:19,479 Andy: so how do you fix a tailing loop so you 299 00:22:19,479 --> 00:22:22,619 Andy: got two problems they don't they can't identify 300 00:22:22,619 --> 00:22:29,579 Andy: it and they don't know how to fix it you know so all i all i can say you know 301 00:22:29,579 --> 00:22:36,179 Andy: is that keep the enthusiasm up ask your guides you know um i'm you know and 302 00:22:36,179 --> 00:22:40,399 Andy: when people guides get hard on their anglers it's I was like, dude, 303 00:22:40,499 --> 00:22:43,579 Andy: don't you understand that these anglers are doing the best they can? 304 00:22:44,419 --> 00:22:51,819 Andy: They're doing everything they can to catch that fish. So you can't get mad at them. You can't. 305 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:58,819 Marvin: Yeah. So Andy, can you share the specific moment that you realized that you 306 00:22:58,819 --> 00:23:00,459 Marvin: had become a great tarpon angler? 307 00:23:02,419 --> 00:23:06,779 Andy: I knew I was pretty good fairly quickly because I could cast well. 308 00:23:07,239 --> 00:23:10,659 Andy: I had really good eyes. I had a great mentor. 309 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:18,659 Andy: I didn't, I don't, I didn't think I was proven until I won until I, 310 00:23:18,699 --> 00:23:22,159 Andy: you know, I always felt like everybody can get lucky and win once. 311 00:23:22,959 --> 00:23:26,779 Andy: But when I started dominating and winning, you know, I won the gold cup five 312 00:23:26,779 --> 00:23:34,199 Andy: out of six years, you know, but right now my son is better than I will ever be. 313 00:23:34,859 --> 00:23:39,699 Andy: My son is incredible, but he, And he's fished a few tournaments. 314 00:23:39,719 --> 00:23:44,179 Andy: He's gotten second and third in some of the tournaments. But it's not that important to him. 315 00:23:44,719 --> 00:23:48,959 Andy: But to see somebody see his eyes, oh, my God, young eyes. 316 00:23:50,419 --> 00:23:55,979 Andy: Passing ability is crazy. You know, look, I was really great at one time, 317 00:23:56,019 --> 00:23:59,379 Andy: but I'm not great anymore. I'm a solid good. 318 00:24:00,739 --> 00:24:04,239 Marvin: And how long? So, you know, I read the story like, you know, 319 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:09,099 Marvin: you went on your first tarpon fishing trip, got the bug. How long was that journey 320 00:24:09,099 --> 00:24:11,439 Marvin: from there to winning your first tournament? 321 00:24:13,702 --> 00:24:18,582 Andy: Well, I fished with Harry Spear, who was my mentor, for seven years. 322 00:24:19,562 --> 00:24:22,942 Andy: A lot. 40 days a year for seven years. That's a lot. 323 00:24:23,902 --> 00:24:26,802 Andy: More than most people will ever be able to fish because they have jobs, 324 00:24:26,802 --> 00:24:30,722 Andy: they have families. I was very fortunate to be able to have that kind of free time. 325 00:24:34,102 --> 00:24:39,282 Andy: I won my first Golden Fly. I would say about eight years before I won, 326 00:24:39,422 --> 00:24:41,782 Andy: but it was only the second year I was fishing tournaments. 327 00:24:43,702 --> 00:24:47,682 Andy: But that's kind of unfair because I felt like for a long time, 328 00:24:47,782 --> 00:24:49,442 Andy: I had that tournament mindset. 329 00:24:51,482 --> 00:24:54,642 Andy: It takes a long time to get really good at anything. This is, 330 00:24:54,722 --> 00:24:57,982 Andy: say, matching the hatch, tying your own flies, weeding trout water, 331 00:24:58,162 --> 00:25:01,682 Andy: being able to figure that stuff out. 332 00:25:02,982 --> 00:25:09,122 Andy: I'm not a great trout fisherman. I'm not. I can catch fish, but I'm not great. 333 00:25:09,782 --> 00:25:14,902 Andy: Oh, my God. I'm just okay at it. My son is really good. 334 00:25:15,442 --> 00:25:18,402 Marvin: Yeah. So it's interesting. So, I mean, I was doing the math in my head. 335 00:25:18,462 --> 00:25:22,122 Marvin: I mean, you spent over a year of fishing days on the water for tarpon, 336 00:25:22,182 --> 00:25:23,922 Marvin: right, before you won your first cup. 337 00:25:24,522 --> 00:25:31,402 Andy: Yeah. I mean, by the time I was fishing tournaments, I was really good. 338 00:25:31,642 --> 00:25:32,042 Marvin: Yeah. 339 00:25:32,082 --> 00:25:35,282 Andy: I wasn't great yet, but I was pretty solid. 340 00:25:35,982 --> 00:25:41,142 Marvin: And we've talked about this a couple times kind of just in phone calls before the interview. 341 00:25:41,142 --> 00:25:46,022 Marvin: You, you know, really curious about how, you know, you learned a lot of lessons 342 00:25:46,022 --> 00:25:48,102 Marvin: skiing, but kind of how you took 343 00:25:48,102 --> 00:25:53,142 Marvin: that preparation regime and applied it to becoming a great tarpon angler. 344 00:25:55,219 --> 00:25:59,399 Andy: Here's the deal. When I was on the Olympic team, I was 23 years old. 345 00:25:59,619 --> 00:26:03,079 Andy: I did not understand the kind of discipline I needed. 346 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:06,939 Andy: I figured out discipline after my ski career. 347 00:26:07,139 --> 00:26:11,179 Andy: I didn't figure out how to win as a skier until my very last year as a skier, 348 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:14,839 Andy: just before I got hurt. I got fifth in the Olympics. 349 00:26:15,139 --> 00:26:19,699 Andy: No, I got fifth in the pre-Olympics, and I got sixth in the Olympics. 350 00:26:20,179 --> 00:26:25,459 Andy: But I still didn't have the understanding of how to be a really high-end professional 351 00:26:25,459 --> 00:26:27,619 Andy: as a skier. We were a bunch of amateurs. 352 00:26:28,539 --> 00:26:31,939 Andy: The team was pretty far behind the eight ball. We didn't have great equipment. 353 00:26:32,899 --> 00:26:34,839 Andy: I'll give you a prime example about equipment. 354 00:26:36,379 --> 00:26:39,399 Andy: One year, we get to Val d'Isere, France. It's the first World Cup. 355 00:26:39,399 --> 00:26:44,539 Andy: And Erwin Stricker on the Italian team, he had this rubberized downhill suit. 356 00:26:45,419 --> 00:26:48,979 Andy: He had this fairing on the back of his helmet. He had bent ski poles. 357 00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:53,699 Andy: He had a fairing on his legs behind his knees. And I looked at my roommate, 358 00:26:53,859 --> 00:26:55,919 Andy: Carl Anderson, and I said, dude, we are toast. 359 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:00,419 Andy: I'll give you an example of what that means. 360 00:27:01,219 --> 00:27:08,679 Andy: A rubberized downhill suit. We had downhill suits that still breathed the porosity of the fabric. 361 00:27:09,399 --> 00:27:15,099 Andy: Versus a rubberized suit, that's a two-second difference just in aerodynamics 362 00:27:15,099 --> 00:27:17,159 Andy: in a two-minute downhill. 363 00:27:17,899 --> 00:27:22,779 Andy: Two seconds. When you're traveling, so we were averaging 66 miles per hour. 364 00:27:23,959 --> 00:27:28,819 Andy: So if you're going 60 miles an hour, that's 88 feet per second times two. 365 00:27:29,159 --> 00:27:32,339 Andy: That's what we were giving up just with the difference of our downhill suit. 366 00:27:34,273 --> 00:27:42,913 Andy: So this whole sphere of professionalism and preparedness and expertise and knowledge 367 00:27:42,913 --> 00:27:46,633 Andy: was so far above our heads. We had no idea. 368 00:27:47,153 --> 00:27:53,853 Andy: I had no idea at 23 how to be a professional athlete against these Europeans 369 00:27:53,853 --> 00:27:59,133 Andy: that were getting paid a lot of money, great coaches, great training regimes. 370 00:27:59,133 --> 00:28:02,493 Andy: Jeans you know um but as 371 00:28:02,493 --> 00:28:05,133 Andy: a fisherman you know once i got to be a 372 00:28:05,133 --> 00:28:08,093 Andy: fisherman i knew what it was going to take to win because i 373 00:28:08,093 --> 00:28:10,793 Andy: didn't learn all that until my very last year as a skier i was 374 00:28:10,793 --> 00:28:13,473 Andy: on the on the uh the u.s ski team for what 10 375 00:28:13,473 --> 00:28:16,473 Andy: years but my last year i finally understood 376 00:28:16,473 --> 00:28:20,333 Andy: about i finally understood about dedicating my 377 00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:23,853 Andy: life to winning training every 378 00:28:23,853 --> 00:28:26,973 Andy: day in the summer getting really fit 379 00:28:26,973 --> 00:28:30,013 Andy: getting really strong having the best skis that rosinol had 380 00:28:30,013 --> 00:28:33,133 Andy: available for me having a great coach that taught 381 00:28:33,133 --> 00:28:37,753 Andy: me how to move to the inside with my hip you know hip angulation versus knee 382 00:28:37,753 --> 00:28:43,293 Andy: and it's a technical thing where you can put your hip your knee and your ankle 383 00:28:43,293 --> 00:28:47,933 Andy: in the same plane so at 80 miles an hour in a corner you have much more stability 384 00:28:47,933 --> 00:28:50,213 Andy: than having the knee outside of that plane. 385 00:28:51,313 --> 00:28:55,953 Andy: Now I was stable. I could make one smooth arc and I had great skis. 386 00:28:56,573 --> 00:29:00,693 Andy: Now I could compete against the Europeans. Now I had a chance to win. 387 00:29:02,774 --> 00:29:08,974 Andy: And that's what I learned over that 10-year period as a ski team athlete. 388 00:29:09,334 --> 00:29:12,334 Andy: I didn't know what it meant. I didn't know what it took to win. 389 00:29:12,934 --> 00:29:15,674 Andy: I didn't have anybody helping me. I was not smart enough to get it. 390 00:29:15,994 --> 00:29:20,674 Andy: So when I made that transformation from skiing to fishing and winning tournaments 391 00:29:20,674 --> 00:29:22,834 Andy: as a fisherman, I knew the difference. 392 00:29:23,034 --> 00:29:26,554 Andy: I knew the difference, what it was going to take to win. And I was fishing against 393 00:29:26,554 --> 00:29:33,014 Andy: a lot of guys that were not previously, you know, skiing in the Olympics and 394 00:29:33,014 --> 00:29:35,334 Andy: skiing at a professional level or any athletes. 395 00:29:35,694 --> 00:29:38,614 Andy: They were great fishermen. They were doing the best I could. 396 00:29:38,894 --> 00:29:43,774 Andy: But I think I had an edge because I understood the difference between doing well and winning. 397 00:29:44,754 --> 00:29:48,154 Marvin: And how did that sort of break down? I think we talked before we started rolling, 398 00:29:48,214 --> 00:29:50,814 Marvin: too, you know, kind of thinking about like there's the physical aspect. 399 00:29:51,354 --> 00:29:55,454 Marvin: There's the mental aspect. We were talking earlier about how you try to perfect 400 00:29:55,454 --> 00:29:58,734 Marvin: everything in the chain so that there's no weak link. 401 00:29:59,154 --> 00:30:08,894 Andy: Right, exactly right. So let's just say there's a ginormous puzzle with a thousand 402 00:30:08,894 --> 00:30:11,694 Andy: million little pieces to that puzzle. 403 00:30:11,694 --> 00:30:17,274 Andy: And if you're a sportsman at a high level trying to win against the best in 404 00:30:17,274 --> 00:30:20,474 Andy: the world, you have all these small little nuances, 405 00:30:20,614 --> 00:30:27,834 Andy: little pieces of the puzzle that have to be perfectly polished before you're ready to win. 406 00:30:28,474 --> 00:30:33,514 Andy: And those pieces might be a backhand cast, you know, casting between the boat. 407 00:30:33,614 --> 00:30:36,874 Andy: How do you feed a fish? Bump, bump, bump. How do you talk to a fish? 408 00:30:36,954 --> 00:30:41,234 Andy: How do you see, how do you know what that fish is going to do before he does it? 409 00:30:41,694 --> 00:30:48,994 Andy: That takes miles and miles and miles. And those are the things that I was really concentrating on. 410 00:30:49,054 --> 00:30:53,934 Andy: The smallest pieces of the puzzle could get you that win. 411 00:30:55,697 --> 00:31:02,097 Andy: Because if you have a piece that's not polished, that might expose itself in a certain situation. 412 00:31:03,317 --> 00:31:08,657 Andy: And the great fishermen, the great tournament fishermen, whether it be freshwater 413 00:31:08,657 --> 00:31:13,577 Andy: guys, Euro nymphing, competing against all the other teams around the world, 414 00:31:13,977 --> 00:31:15,877 Andy: they have the same issues. 415 00:31:17,157 --> 00:31:18,257 Andy: Everything is refined. 416 00:31:19,957 --> 00:31:24,837 Marvin: And how do you, in some ways, that's sort of the physical stuff. 417 00:31:24,837 --> 00:31:29,177 Marvin: How do you kind of work on the mental component and prepare for the things that 418 00:31:29,177 --> 00:31:30,197 Marvin: you can't control, right? 419 00:31:30,317 --> 00:31:34,077 Marvin: Like, so you try to take everything you possibly can and get your arms around it. 420 00:31:34,117 --> 00:31:38,217 Marvin: But how do you, you know, become mentally tough and prepare for the unknown 421 00:31:38,217 --> 00:31:39,577 Marvin: to have a chance to be elite? 422 00:31:42,077 --> 00:31:49,097 Andy: To be mentally tough, you cannot lose your concentration for one minute. it. 423 00:31:50,497 --> 00:31:54,417 Andy: When it's a dark, cloudy day, you might only have one shot. 424 00:31:55,577 --> 00:31:59,037 Andy: But if you're not grinding, staring into the ocean, looking, 425 00:31:59,137 --> 00:32:03,637 Andy: looking for that little difference of color, whatever it might be, 426 00:32:03,797 --> 00:32:05,097 Andy: you might miss your only shot. 427 00:32:07,537 --> 00:32:16,457 Andy: And you have to be able to make up great distances 428 00:32:16,677 --> 00:32:19,477 Andy: on a lousy day you have 429 00:32:19,477 --> 00:32:23,077 Andy: to be able to catch fish when no one else is going to catch fish like 430 00:32:23,077 --> 00:32:29,637 Andy: i always was hoping for wind windy conditions like an open blue sky so i can 431 00:32:29,637 --> 00:32:34,017 Andy: see but windy conditions because i knew that at least 50 of the field is going 432 00:32:34,017 --> 00:32:38,477 Andy: to go away when it's blowing 20 miles an hour they can't make that cast but 433 00:32:38,477 --> 00:32:42,297 Andy: and i'll tell you one of the the mental things that 434 00:32:42,417 --> 00:32:45,297 Andy: really came up a year after I made a mistake. 435 00:32:47,017 --> 00:32:51,857 Andy: It was at a gold cup and I had a fish come up and it was the last day of the 436 00:32:51,857 --> 00:32:54,497 Andy: tournament. I had a chance to win. We were in contention. 437 00:32:55,017 --> 00:32:59,957 Andy: This tarpon came up and sipped my fly like this. Very, very, very slow bite. 438 00:33:00,857 --> 00:33:06,417 Andy: And it takes so much composure to wait for that fish to shut its mouth, 439 00:33:06,557 --> 00:33:10,297 Andy: to wait to feel the weight of the fish in your stripping hand here before you 440 00:33:10,297 --> 00:33:14,957 Andy: set the hook. and I slid that fly out of its mouth and I missed it. 441 00:33:16,197 --> 00:33:22,397 Andy: It bothered me immensely that full year because when you lose, 442 00:33:23,097 --> 00:33:27,077 Andy: you don't have a chance to win again for another year because these termites, 443 00:33:27,197 --> 00:33:32,097 Andy: the gold cup, the gold fly, there's only one chance a year. We only have three tarpon termites a year. 444 00:33:32,417 --> 00:33:35,897 Andy: So when you lose, it's like it drives you crazy. You have to wait a whole another year. 445 00:33:37,217 --> 00:33:38,537 Andy: So the following year. 446 00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:43,630 Andy: This is kind of an interesting story because I'm not superstitious. 447 00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:49,590 Andy: It was the fifth day of the Gold Cup, the five-day tournament. 448 00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:55,550 Andy: And we're on the starting grid getting ready to take off. I may have told this story before. 449 00:33:57,850 --> 00:34:02,790 Andy: But on the starting grid, what happens is you have five boats for every two minutes. 450 00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:07,310 Andy: You have a 25-boat team, one angler per boat, one guide per boat. 451 00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:10,290 Andy: So we're getting ready to – the gun's about ready to go off. 452 00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:15,170 Andy: And Kenny Collette, an Isla Mirada guide, was fishing with a Japanese guide. 453 00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:19,010 Andy: And they had won the Gold Cup twice. They were really good. 454 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:22,790 Andy: And Kenny yells over to me, goes, Andy, you got to move your truck. 455 00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:26,350 Andy: I go, what are you talking about? I knew he was messing with me. 456 00:34:27,350 --> 00:34:30,850 Andy: I said, why? He said, your truck's in a bad parking spot. 457 00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:36,030 Andy: He said, you're normally in the top two or three going into the last day. 458 00:34:36,110 --> 00:34:42,670 Andy: You're dead last. and I knew it had been a bad week we had fish falling off 459 00:34:42,670 --> 00:34:46,210 Andy: bad weather I said are you serious he said yes. 460 00:34:48,170 --> 00:34:50,910 Andy: So I said, Timmy, take me to the dock. And my guide, Timmy Hoover, 461 00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:53,350 Andy: he really didn't want to do this. He's like complaining. I said, 462 00:34:53,390 --> 00:34:55,110 Andy: take me to the dock. I got to move my truck. 463 00:34:55,350 --> 00:34:59,230 Andy: So I go and move my truck. We get in the boat. We're starting to run out of the marina there. 464 00:34:59,330 --> 00:35:04,810 Andy: I said, Timmy, today is the best day we've had. It's a great weather day. 465 00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:08,670 Andy: Big sun. You find me the fish. We're going to catch them. And we're going to win. 466 00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:14,590 Andy: So we were on the ocean. And I caught three tarpon on the ocean. 467 00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:19,030 Andy: They were weight fish, over 70 pounds. Then we went into this basin where the 468 00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:23,830 Andy: year before where there was this fish laying there and I slid the fly out of his mouth too soon. 469 00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:28,590 Andy: We go into this basin, we can't find a fish. We get up to where we had seen 470 00:35:28,590 --> 00:35:32,290 Andy: this fish the year before, laying in the same position, laid up. 471 00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:34,930 Andy: I slide my fly in there, same fly. 472 00:35:36,350 --> 00:35:41,930 Andy: Start sliding it. This fish moves up, same bite, same bite. 473 00:35:43,110 --> 00:35:49,910 Andy: And I'd been waiting a year to do this again, never knowing I was going to have this opportunity. 474 00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:54,190 Andy: This fish slid over, opened its mouth, had this real, real slow bite, 475 00:35:54,350 --> 00:35:57,650 Andy: exactly the same way as the year before. I waited. 476 00:35:58,830 --> 00:36:01,430 Andy: I waited. I started sliding my fly and it gets tight. 477 00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:07,410 Andy: 115 pound fish, we caught him. I said, Timmy, we need to catch one more fish. 478 00:36:07,530 --> 00:36:10,570 Andy: We run around the back country, go into this other basin, we catch one more, 479 00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:11,690 Andy: run home, we win the tournament. 480 00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:19,710 Andy: But these are the type of mental things that will drive you crazy when you make a mistake. 481 00:36:20,610 --> 00:36:25,010 Andy: If you're just fun fishing, you blow it off, but when it costs you a tournament, 482 00:36:25,870 --> 00:36:28,970 Andy: these are the things you think about that make you better. 483 00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:35,390 Andy: When you can't sleep because you've made a mistake, when you can't let it go, 484 00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:38,010 Andy: when you demand perfection. 485 00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:43,070 Andy: These are the type of things that bothered me. These are the type of things 486 00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:45,170 Andy: that I would never let go. 487 00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:49,230 Andy: This is why I feel like I didn't sleep 15 years because I was so possessed. 488 00:36:51,368 --> 00:36:54,388 Marvin: And it's interesting too, because we were talking before we started recording 489 00:36:54,388 --> 00:36:59,468 Marvin: as well about, you know, whether you're fishing against yourself or you're fishing against other people. 490 00:37:00,508 --> 00:37:04,768 Andy: In a tournament, you're always fishing against the field because you want to win. 491 00:37:05,448 --> 00:37:08,888 Andy: But ultimately, you're always fishing against yourself. 492 00:37:10,808 --> 00:37:16,968 Andy: Because as a prime example, I was playing golf with my father-in-law yesterday. 493 00:37:17,468 --> 00:37:21,548 Andy: And he was saying, you know, he's like an 11 handicap. And he's saying, 494 00:37:21,588 --> 00:37:23,408 Andy: well, I win all these tournaments with my buddies. 495 00:37:24,328 --> 00:37:32,368 Andy: I said, well, are you trying to fix your mistakes and get better with what you do? 496 00:37:32,568 --> 00:37:37,568 Andy: Do you want to be like a three or a scratch golfer, three handicap, five handicap? 497 00:37:37,688 --> 00:37:41,568 Andy: You're 12, but you're okay with that because you're beating your buddies. 498 00:37:43,468 --> 00:37:47,868 Andy: If you really want to get good at something, you can't grade yourself on the 499 00:37:47,868 --> 00:37:50,168 Andy: curve because those guys all suck. 500 00:37:51,968 --> 00:37:55,208 Andy: You have to demand greatness, you know, for yourself. 501 00:37:57,368 --> 00:38:00,768 Marvin: Yeah. It's interesting. And, you know, we, when we spoke in Edison, 502 00:38:00,868 --> 00:38:04,208 Marvin: or might've been on the phone call after Edison, and you had mentioned to me, 503 00:38:04,828 --> 00:38:07,548 Marvin: you know, you, and you mentioned in the interview earlier that you, you know, 504 00:38:07,568 --> 00:38:12,448 Marvin: you weren't, you know, happy necessarily being a ski broadcaster and that this 505 00:38:12,448 --> 00:38:16,488 Marvin: great door opened for you when the outdoor life network called you and you were 506 00:38:16,488 --> 00:38:22,128 Marvin: We're able to kind of pivot out of the ski world and have this entirely new beginning, right, 507 00:38:22,288 --> 00:38:26,168 Marvin: in fly fishing in a very different way that I think you found more fulfilling. 508 00:38:26,308 --> 00:38:28,808 Marvin: I was wondering if you could share a little bit of that with our listeners. 509 00:38:30,888 --> 00:38:36,008 Andy: When I got hurt in 1981 with that fall in Switzerland, it ended my ski career. 510 00:38:36,108 --> 00:38:39,228 Andy: I broke my neck, my back, my leg, and all the ligaments in my right knee. 511 00:38:39,328 --> 00:38:42,048 Andy: It's like, okay, what am I going to do now for the rest of my life? 512 00:38:42,468 --> 00:38:48,768 Andy: I don't have an education. I graduated from high school. never went to college and I thought, 513 00:38:51,351 --> 00:38:56,951 Andy: How am I going to make a living? And I thought, the only way I can make a living is through exposure. 514 00:38:57,331 --> 00:39:03,051 Andy: So I started this TV show called Ski with Andy Mill. It was a barter syndicated show. 515 00:39:03,771 --> 00:39:09,171 Andy: To make a long story short, I sold advertising. It was a five-minute show. 516 00:39:09,291 --> 00:39:10,731 Andy: I distributed it all around the country. 517 00:39:11,051 --> 00:39:13,911 Andy: I was the director of skiing here in Aspen. 518 00:39:14,491 --> 00:39:19,511 Andy: But my five-minute show, I was getting paid from all the products I was wearing. 519 00:39:19,511 --> 00:39:22,151 Andy: Boots, blinding, skis, sunglasses, clothing. 520 00:39:22,411 --> 00:39:25,251 Andy: I was making a lot of money with that little show. 521 00:39:25,411 --> 00:39:29,071 Andy: And now I'm also doing the broadcast work for CBS in the Olympics. 522 00:39:29,111 --> 00:39:32,891 Andy: I covered Albertville in 92 and Lillehammer in 94. 523 00:39:33,571 --> 00:39:38,651 Andy: I was the director of skiing here in Aspen. I was on top of the world, so to speak, right? 524 00:39:39,511 --> 00:39:43,351 Andy: But I was flatline. My life was not moving up. 525 00:39:44,391 --> 00:39:49,951 Andy: I was no longer an athlete trying to win stuff. I was never pushing myself personally. 526 00:39:51,811 --> 00:39:54,511 Andy: I was maintaining. I was making a lot of money, but it was flat. 527 00:39:55,691 --> 00:39:59,771 Andy: And I hated broadcasting because I was speaking about something I wanted to be doing. 528 00:40:00,291 --> 00:40:03,431 Andy: And now all of a sudden, I'm in this life where I'm making money. 529 00:40:03,491 --> 00:40:06,731 Andy: I was a professional, but there was nothing exciting to it. 530 00:40:07,551 --> 00:40:10,211 Andy: And then I did a couple of specials for the Outdoor Life network, 531 00:40:10,351 --> 00:40:15,851 Andy: and I was a host on a couple of shows, and they wanted me to host a fishing show. 532 00:40:16,131 --> 00:40:18,231 Andy: I said, I have no time, none. 533 00:40:19,311 --> 00:40:24,911 Andy: I am tapped. But I'll tell you what, you match what I make as a skier, 534 00:40:25,011 --> 00:40:28,031 Andy: all my contracts, all of them. 535 00:40:29,503 --> 00:40:34,303 Andy: You give me that amount of money, you give me a five-year contract, 536 00:40:34,583 --> 00:40:41,083 Andy: and if I produce this TV show, all the money I save on the production costs, I get to keep as my bonus. 537 00:40:42,343 --> 00:40:47,483 Andy: So now, all of a sudden, I leave skiing fully. 538 00:40:48,263 --> 00:40:54,123 Andy: I am now producing fishing shows, and I was making about $750,000 fishing. 539 00:40:55,163 --> 00:41:00,423 Andy: And now I get to fish all over the world with the best guides in the world, 540 00:41:00,443 --> 00:41:01,803 Andy: telling these great stories. 541 00:41:02,163 --> 00:41:07,123 Andy: And I was making a lot of money. It was a massive home run for me because now 542 00:41:07,123 --> 00:41:10,643 Andy: I was excited to wake up in the morning. 543 00:41:10,723 --> 00:41:12,903 Andy: I was going to go fish the Seychelles. I was fishing St. 544 00:41:13,083 --> 00:41:18,863 Andy: Thomas for 800-pound marlin, Guatemala, Costa Rica. I did a TV show in the the 545 00:41:18,863 --> 00:41:20,963 Andy: Arctic circle with, with former president Bush. 546 00:41:21,883 --> 00:41:27,443 Andy: And now all of a sudden I start doing this tarpon thing and now I get to go fish tournaments. 547 00:41:29,303 --> 00:41:34,683 Andy: My life is, is climbing, climbing the mountain again. It's the greatest thing 548 00:41:34,683 --> 00:41:35,563 Andy: that ever happened to me. 549 00:41:36,963 --> 00:41:42,523 Marvin: Yeah. And, you know, why do you think people sometimes get stuck kind of flat? Right. 550 00:41:43,063 --> 00:41:45,843 Marvin: And, you know, cause it's an interesting thing and it's, you know, 551 00:41:45,843 --> 00:41:50,343 Marvin: you know, when I kind of, so my, you know, I try to kind of coach my boys growing 552 00:41:50,343 --> 00:41:53,483 Marvin: up and talk about, you know, finding those things that make you passionate, 553 00:41:53,603 --> 00:41:55,183 Marvin: right? That'll give you that energy. 554 00:41:56,143 --> 00:41:58,983 Marvin: You know, why do you think so many people just kind of look up in late middle 555 00:41:58,983 --> 00:42:01,763 Marvin: age and they kind of have wasted 30 or 40 years of their life? 556 00:42:03,463 --> 00:42:08,743 Andy: Look, I think a lot of people get married too young. They have kids too young. 557 00:42:08,803 --> 00:42:10,523 Andy: They have bills they got to pay. 558 00:42:11,543 --> 00:42:15,143 Andy: Man, they're stuck. They're stuck for a long time. 559 00:42:16,403 --> 00:42:20,663 Andy: There's no freedom. They don't have, they're not financially free. 560 00:42:22,203 --> 00:42:25,963 Andy: The wife's got a job. You've got a job. The kids are driving them crazy. 561 00:42:26,003 --> 00:42:27,143 Andy: Get home. Everybody's hungry. 562 00:42:30,863 --> 00:42:33,923 Andy: And sometimes you don't even have a job you like. 563 00:42:35,643 --> 00:42:44,243 Andy: Got to find work. Right. And when I look around, um, I see that a lot in a lot 564 00:42:44,243 --> 00:42:49,603 Andy: of places, you know, So, and then two, how do you take that gamble? 565 00:42:50,783 --> 00:42:55,663 Andy: How do you take that gamble? Like I said, I'm going to quit my job and I'm going 566 00:42:55,663 --> 00:42:58,543 Andy: to go fishing. I want to work in a fishing store. 567 00:42:58,863 --> 00:43:02,223 Andy: And I'll give you an example. My father was like that. 568 00:43:02,283 --> 00:43:07,003 Andy: He was in the lumber business his entire life. He never had two nickels to rub together. 569 00:43:09,627 --> 00:43:13,907 Andy: But he got a great job here in Aspen running the lumber yard, 570 00:43:14,127 --> 00:43:15,707 Andy: pushed forward a number of years. 571 00:43:15,807 --> 00:43:18,327 Andy: He was working in Denver as a lumberman. 572 00:43:19,447 --> 00:43:24,027 Andy: I don't think he really liked his job. He was not a very happy man because he was kind of stuck. 573 00:43:24,627 --> 00:43:29,127 Andy: And he came here when he was like 60-some years old, 66, I think it was. 574 00:43:29,227 --> 00:43:32,047 Andy: I taught him how to nymph fish. I taught him how to catch fish. 575 00:43:33,647 --> 00:43:38,047 Andy: He went back to Denver and quit his job like four months later. 576 00:43:38,927 --> 00:43:43,267 Andy: And he got a job at at at um what 577 00:43:43,267 --> 00:43:46,667 Andy: the hell is the name of that um well it's 578 00:43:46,667 --> 00:43:52,267 Andy: a little fishing store in in littleton colorado anglers all my dad was tying 579 00:43:52,267 --> 00:43:58,367 Andy: flies for anglers all working the desk and he was ecstatic because he could 580 00:43:58,367 --> 00:44:03,987 Andy: fish on the weekends and he was tying flies anyway i used to bussing a lot of 581 00:44:03,987 --> 00:44:06,247 Andy: times. I said, dad, what kind of flies are you tying? 582 00:44:06,667 --> 00:44:09,907 Andy: He said, I'm tying San Juan worms and eggs. 583 00:44:10,587 --> 00:44:13,727 Andy: I said, dad, those are not flies, dude. You're not a fly tire. 584 00:44:14,627 --> 00:44:19,687 Andy: But he was living large again because he was on the river and he was talking 585 00:44:19,687 --> 00:44:28,087 Andy: to fishermen and it changed his life entirely. But he didn't have a lot of bills at the time. 586 00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:31,047 Andy: He was later in his years in life, close to retirement. 587 00:44:31,967 --> 00:44:34,727 Andy: So I think he's talking about people getting stuck. 588 00:44:35,727 --> 00:44:40,907 Andy: I was very fortunate. I was stuck at a high level because I was making a lot of money. 589 00:44:40,967 --> 00:44:45,567 Andy: I was doing really cool things that no one ever dreams of being, 590 00:44:45,667 --> 00:44:49,007 Andy: a broadcaster for the Olympics, the director of skiing in Aspen. 591 00:44:49,067 --> 00:44:51,207 Andy: But me personally, I was flatlined. 592 00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:57,010 Marvin: It's an interesting thing. I know when I coach my boys, I always talk. 593 00:44:57,830 --> 00:45:04,930 Marvin: I'm a Generation X guy. Growing up in the 70s, I feel like we can a little bit 594 00:45:04,930 --> 00:45:07,310 Marvin: more rough and tumble maybe than millennials and younger kids. 595 00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:12,770 Marvin: And I think some of that is a function of, you know, growing up and having grandparents 596 00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:15,970 Marvin: that came of age in the Depression and just a different sensibility. 597 00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:20,030 Marvin: And it's kind of an interesting thing where, you know, given kind of, 598 00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:23,510 Marvin: you know, my background in law and finance, I saw a lot of people that were 599 00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:27,050 Marvin: really spending money just to keep from being completely miserable in what they were doing. 600 00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:31,630 Marvin: And if you could kind of dial back, you know, what you thought you had to have, 601 00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:36,270 Marvin: you can maybe find a little bit of a crack of light in the door and maybe find 602 00:45:36,270 --> 00:45:37,310 Marvin: a way to kind of squeak out. 603 00:45:37,890 --> 00:45:38,310 Andy: Yeah. 604 00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:44,870 Andy: Well, look, I have been the most fortunate person, you know, 605 00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:48,210 Andy: I could possibly ever imagine dreaming of being. 606 00:45:49,850 --> 00:45:55,110 Andy: I have an ex-wife that was a superstar in the tennis world. We have three great kids. 607 00:45:55,470 --> 00:46:00,030 Andy: I have chapters. I look back at and I go, oh, my God, how did I ever get here? 608 00:46:00,890 --> 00:46:04,750 Andy: How did I ever be so lucky to be able to have this life? 609 00:46:04,930 --> 00:46:09,270 Andy: You know, I mean, some people are just luckier than others. You know, 610 00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:11,330 Andy: sometimes luck plays a huge role. 611 00:46:11,850 --> 00:46:17,690 Andy: And I had, my son said, Dad, you get the biggest horseshoe up your ass. 612 00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:22,730 Andy: I said, yeah, I agree, you know. 613 00:46:23,550 --> 00:46:33,550 Andy: But I think a lot of luck comes from being very fortunate, a lot of doors open for you. 614 00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:40,610 Andy: But being lucky is having the ability to not only step through that door, 615 00:46:40,890 --> 00:46:44,030 Andy: but being able to excel on the other side of that door. 616 00:46:44,770 --> 00:46:48,050 Andy: And it comes from with me, I had this passionate heart. 617 00:46:48,830 --> 00:46:55,030 Andy: I was a really hard worker. you know i even i mean i will work till the day 618 00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:58,610 Andy: i die i don't know anything different i want to work and i want to do well i 619 00:46:58,610 --> 00:47:01,230 Andy: don't want to just make money i want to excel at what i do, 620 00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:08,410 Andy: um so i think i was gifted you know with that desire to work hard and and it 621 00:47:08,410 --> 00:47:17,330 Andy: was not about the money it was about the chasing dreams i think we live fully all of us, 622 00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:19,890 Andy: while we are chasing our dreams. 623 00:47:22,350 --> 00:47:27,570 Marvin: And you've done so much, you know, what do you have left on your to-do list 624 00:47:27,570 --> 00:47:29,050 Marvin: that you want to accomplish and achieve? 625 00:47:31,394 --> 00:47:34,594 Andy: I'm going to go to Mags Bay. I want to catch a striped marlin, 626 00:47:34,754 --> 00:47:37,354 Andy: free cast into a striped marlin without bait and switch. 627 00:47:37,614 --> 00:47:41,614 Andy: I want to go to Bolivia and catch a golden dorado. 628 00:47:42,734 --> 00:47:48,974 Andy: Other than that, I'm 71. I've had 24 operations. My body's killing me. 629 00:47:49,534 --> 00:47:53,574 Andy: I need another knee. My left knee's replaced. My right knee needs replaced. 630 00:47:54,354 --> 00:47:59,294 Andy: My neck is fused. My back is fused. Everything hurts. I can barely play golf anymore. more. 631 00:48:00,034 --> 00:48:05,174 Andy: I just really want to try to be able to stay active and do things. 632 00:48:05,314 --> 00:48:06,814 Andy: I still want to elk hunt in the high country. 633 00:48:07,294 --> 00:48:10,674 Andy: And I got back to Aspen. I've been in Florida all winter. 634 00:48:10,914 --> 00:48:15,254 Andy: I went on not even a hard hike yesterday. I've got so much lactic acid in my 635 00:48:15,254 --> 00:48:16,834 Andy: body. It's like, are you serious? 636 00:48:17,994 --> 00:48:21,934 Andy: My God, I used to be an athlete. What happened? 637 00:48:22,874 --> 00:48:26,114 Andy: And now I know I've got to look forward to of September when I got to chase 638 00:48:26,114 --> 00:48:29,354 Andy: my son at 12,000 feet, 11,000 feet chasing elk, you know? 639 00:48:29,394 --> 00:48:34,274 Andy: So my dreams are to see my son's about ready to have a baby this week. 640 00:48:34,814 --> 00:48:40,374 Andy: The dreams I have now is to see really great happiness, you know, 641 00:48:40,394 --> 00:48:44,154 Andy: with my entire family, you know, my kids, my young grandson, 642 00:48:44,274 --> 00:48:45,774 Andy: that's going to be born here this week. 643 00:48:46,074 --> 00:48:50,534 Andy: And really being able to, I've been very fortunate to be able to be connected 644 00:48:50,534 --> 00:48:51,534 Andy: to the fishing industry. 645 00:48:53,074 --> 00:49:00,054 Andy: And I don't take that lightly. I think that there's a big responsibility to 646 00:49:00,054 --> 00:49:05,394 Andy: do what Nicky and I do with our podcast, bring to light a lot of stories that 647 00:49:05,394 --> 00:49:08,014 Andy: are going to go away with age and time. 648 00:49:08,834 --> 00:49:12,414 Andy: I want to help maintain the history of our sport, 649 00:49:12,594 --> 00:49:16,554 Andy: the evolution of our sport, and the people that created our sport, 650 00:49:16,554 --> 00:49:20,674 Andy: you know and what they did to innovate what they what they've done and give 651 00:49:20,674 --> 00:49:26,714 Andy: respect to the people that came before me you know i will never take for granted 652 00:49:26,714 --> 00:49:32,494 Andy: what i have in my life um it did not come easily um. 653 00:49:34,441 --> 00:49:40,641 Andy: But with that said, I have a lot of work in trying to help preserve these other 654 00:49:40,641 --> 00:49:45,021 Andy: stories that came before me, these icons, 655 00:49:45,221 --> 00:49:49,561 Andy: these legends, and their stories are going to die if they don't get on your 656 00:49:49,561 --> 00:49:52,941 Andy: podcast, on our podcast, and let them tell their stories. 657 00:49:53,021 --> 00:49:58,101 Andy: So the younger generation will realize what took place to get this game to where 658 00:49:58,101 --> 00:49:59,861 Andy: we are today and who did it. 659 00:50:00,421 --> 00:50:03,821 Andy: So that it gives them a baseline not a 660 00:50:03,821 --> 00:50:07,061 Andy: baseline that just so what they know now i 661 00:50:07,061 --> 00:50:12,641 Andy: think it's important to know how we got here conservation too if we don't know 662 00:50:12,641 --> 00:50:16,161 Andy: how we got here it's really hard to understand the direction we're going to 663 00:50:16,161 --> 00:50:24,381 Andy: go into the future and and so what i have left often in my life is, is really trying to, 664 00:50:24,441 --> 00:50:28,801 Andy: you know, be kind and humble and let people, 665 00:50:29,261 --> 00:50:34,701 Andy: you know, I want to be treated the way I want people to treat me the way I want to treat them. 666 00:50:36,181 --> 00:50:40,421 Andy: Um, and I always want that and never, never think that I'm nothing more than 667 00:50:40,421 --> 00:50:42,701 Andy: a mountain guy that did okay. 668 00:50:43,761 --> 00:50:48,221 Marvin: And it's, you know, as a father, um, it's gotta be just absolutely fantastic 669 00:50:48,221 --> 00:50:50,381 Marvin: to have the podcast and get to work with your son. 670 00:50:51,061 --> 00:50:55,581 Andy: Yeah. Look, we were speaking about that earlier. I have three sons. 671 00:50:56,581 --> 00:51:03,641 Andy: I love them all dearly, equally. But Nicky has gravitated to the things that I've always loved. 672 00:51:04,221 --> 00:51:08,261 Andy: He's always wanted to be on my shoulders and seeing what I saw. 673 00:51:08,861 --> 00:51:12,441 Andy: I'd be signing up in a tournament. He would be on my shoulders. 674 00:51:12,581 --> 00:51:15,421 Andy: We'd be on the boat getting bullet, playing with the 675 00:51:15,421 --> 00:51:18,261 Andy: mullet started bow hunting 676 00:51:18,261 --> 00:51:21,281 Andy: he's a great bow hunter kills kills all 677 00:51:21,281 --> 00:51:27,901 Andy: kinds of great animals and now we work together it's a dream to be able to be 678 00:51:27,901 --> 00:51:33,281 Andy: to have a son like nikki who connects with the things that i love and i think 679 00:51:33,281 --> 00:51:39,901 Andy: too for him to have a father that that understands the things that that he loves goes both ways yeah. 680 00:51:39,901 --> 00:51:42,921 Marvin: It's very very neat andy is there anything else this evening you want to share 681 00:51:42,921 --> 00:51:44,341 Marvin: with our listeners before i let you go. 682 00:51:44,341 --> 00:51:54,541 Andy: I would just say wherever you are whatever you're doing, 683 00:51:57,041 --> 00:52:04,901 Andy: make sure you you find the the time and place to listen to silence hear how loud, 684 00:52:05,821 --> 00:52:10,901 Andy: silence is and when you hear and when you're in the presence of silence You 685 00:52:10,901 --> 00:52:16,841 Andy: can hear your inner voice of what you want to do, who you are, 686 00:52:16,881 --> 00:52:18,381 Andy: where you want to go with your life. 687 00:52:19,501 --> 00:52:22,641 Andy: What does love mean? What does your family mean to you? 688 00:52:22,721 --> 00:52:26,441 Andy: How can I make my family better? How can I be a better dad, a better father, 689 00:52:26,721 --> 00:52:31,881 Andy: a better fisherman, better employee, better owner of a company? Right? 690 00:52:33,175 --> 00:52:38,195 Andy: Because we're not really, we're not grading ourselves by what other people are doing. 691 00:52:38,255 --> 00:52:44,735 Andy: We're grading ourselves by how, who we are and what kind of a person we are. 692 00:52:44,955 --> 00:52:50,595 Andy: And remember, always try to dream big and chase those dreams. 693 00:52:51,755 --> 00:52:55,755 Marvin: And Andy, if folks want to follow your adventures on the water and in the field, 694 00:52:55,775 --> 00:53:01,415 Marvin: running after Nikki going up the mountain chasing elk, where should they look? 695 00:53:01,415 --> 00:53:04,135 Andy: Look yeah so you know 696 00:53:04,135 --> 00:53:06,855 Andy: our our podcast millhouse podcast you can 697 00:53:06,855 --> 00:53:09,795 Andy: watch it on youtube and our instagram 698 00:53:09,795 --> 00:53:13,375 Andy: site uh millhouse podcast podcast instagram you 699 00:53:13,375 --> 00:53:16,195 Andy: can watch and see some tips and some uh 700 00:53:16,195 --> 00:53:18,915 Andy: some words of wisdom but you can 701 00:53:18,915 --> 00:53:21,755 Andy: also listen to our podcast on you know where we 702 00:53:21,755 --> 00:53:26,195 Andy: find your your podcast spotify you know all i don't know anything about that 703 00:53:26,195 --> 00:53:32,235 Andy: stuff i'm just i'm just the voice my son does all that i i have just a figurehead 704 00:53:32,235 --> 00:53:37,295 Andy: with the talking lips here you know yeah but but we're out there and um you 705 00:53:37,295 --> 00:53:40,575 Andy: know we have now i think we've done 111 podcasts, 706 00:53:41,175 --> 00:53:46,175 Andy: and if you scroll through it you can find offshore captains you know great great 707 00:53:46,175 --> 00:53:49,375 Andy: guys have done a lot of great things in the world of fishing yeah. 708 00:53:49,375 --> 00:53:52,695 Marvin: As i always say you know you have people which is good to take care of all that 709 00:53:52,695 --> 00:53:57,395 Marvin: stuff i'll drop links to all that stuff and in the show notes and And I super 710 00:53:57,395 --> 00:54:00,115 Marvin: appreciate you spending the time with me. Incredibly generous of you. 711 00:54:00,255 --> 00:54:02,755 Marvin: And I look forward to seeing you on the show circuit again soon. 712 00:54:03,295 --> 00:54:07,155 Andy: Well, I'm honored you have asked me to be here. And again, thank you so much. 713 00:54:07,295 --> 00:54:07,835 Marvin: Take care. 714 00:54:08,615 --> 00:54:09,195 Andy: You too. 715 00:54:10,195 --> 00:54:13,575 Intro: Well, folks, I hope you enjoyed that as much as we enjoyed bringing it to you. 716 00:54:13,855 --> 00:54:17,495 Intro: Again, if you like the podcast, please tell a friend and please subscribe and 717 00:54:17,495 --> 00:54:19,475 Intro: leave us a rating review in the podcast of your choice. 718 00:54:19,755 --> 00:54:23,635 Intro: And don't forget to check out our community on Patreon. Tight lines, everybody.