Hey, it's Samantha Hartley of the Profitable Joyful Consulting podcast. This is Season five, and we're talking about consulting advice. We've probably gotten the advice that you should use your intuition and trust your intuition and trust your gut but what the heck does that really mean? Can you always trust your intuition? And like, is it ever wrong? And what does it really even mean to trust your intuition? Like, how do you do that? Is there like a step by step process? Well, not relying on myself today I have called in somebody who I think is amazing at bringing through intuition and helping people to access that voice inside themselves, which can give them guidance, some might say, divine guidance up to you how you feel about that guidance.

But in any case, I'm about to introduce you to Lia Dunlap, who's also known as the Oracle on Purpose, an intuitive business architect with twenty five years of experience guiding leaders to push past their limits so their expanded vision becomes their reality. Lia’s inspired programs and practical services have helped thousands of clients in over 76 countries align their unique life purpose with their business genius and highest life vision. She combines intuitive knowing and practical leadership experience to help her clients push past upper limits for good, all while holding them accountable for bringing the big vision in their heart to life so that they can create the impact they were born to make. Lia helps these leaders avoid the mistakes that keep them frustrated with doing shallow work and anxious about having their true gift die within them. I would ask you to welcome with me Lia Dunlap.

Hey, Samantha, so glad to be here with you, always a joy to share insights about intuitive guidance and, of course, working in your divine gift and your real work. So I'm happy to be here to share the stage with you. Super. I'm so excited to have you. So I like to introduce you formally but what I like for people to do when they introduce themselves is can you rather than tell us what you do, kind of share a story with us of someone you have helped access their intuition and use that in their business?

Absolutely. One person that pops into my mind right away is a doctor that I work with, actually naturopathic doctor, her name is Dr. April Blake and when we started working together, she knew that she had more to give. She actually has her own gift that she uses with her clients and her patients but she was really resistant to putting that out there publicly. And what we did together when we first started working together was to have her understand that that intuitive guidance that she had was actually part of what was making her so powerful in getting results for her patients and if she didn't really embrace it, she couldn't fully share it the way that it was meant to do. So we took some time to not only for her to understand what it was and what she's hearing and what she knows something about her patients, but also how to actually bridge the gap between being a medical intuitive and you know, a fully fledged doctor and those two worlds that she was living in.

So part of what was really interesting when we got to the place where she was ready was that she had been doing the work right and a lot of people find this to be the case. They're using their intuition all the time, they're just not really calling it that or they're not claiming it and so what we were stretching her into was claiming that that was a part of what she did and how she did her job so well and was getting such phenomenal results for her clients. She worked specifically with people with what they call kind of medical mysteries, could have gone to the doctor over and over, can get any help and so when we were talking and understanding, like, how she was able to get results and where she was getting all of these clients who were getting such good results, that's when I uncovered like this was going on for her and I explained, you need to do that more, not less, you need to embrace that more, not less in hiding it and kind of stuffing it is actually slowing your process down and she still was resistant, honestly, to sharing that with other people because of what she thought they would think, like it was so something seemingly unnatural and I said, but that's absolutely the furthest thing from the truth. So for her, it was really beautiful as she actually belongs to a mastermind group that I run and so we've been working for a while to figure out, like, how it fit into our business, how she could look at it and track, like, the results she was getting by using this intuitive gift and one day in the meeting, I asked her to introduce herself and so she finally said out loud, I'm Dr. Blake. I'm a naturopathic doctor and a medical intuitive and one of the women in the group just fell into tears as she looked at her, and she's like, oh, my gosh and the woman said, I need you, I need your help but she recognized that in her because she claimed it, what she was using with her tool that was so different and everyone has their own version of this, she was connecting to what her intuitive guides were sharing for her clients and her patients.

And so when her patients got into the room, she was looking at one or whatever, like she was looking at them fully right? You see all pieces of them and because she was able to do that, she was able to deliver really highly targeted medical information as far as like what they needed to know about their bodies and what was going on with them, but also looking at how she could actually take that information and help them see themselves in a new light and feel better about their experiences and their journeys and what the whole medical history they had was really about for themselves in their lives and so by integrating all of that, she was able to actually take her business to an entirely different level, she tripled her revenue for her business because she had really become so highly sought after and so to me, when we think about how do we integrate this for me, I'm looking at what are your highest level of skills? What are your highest level talents and yes, what is your own system, your own guides telling you about who you are, where you want to be in the world? Because if we can align with that, then, yeah, the world gets what it's looking for from you, here is looking at you thinking you're the answer to their prayers.

Exactly like a communication on a different level is able to happen. You know, my brand has always been about, well, not always, but for a long time, has been about combining what I call earth rules and magical thinking and really everybody who is working with me knows that I'm going to talk to you about really practical things like goals and plans and strategies and tactics and to do lists and things that work on Earth. And then we're going to talk about things that work but we don't know why, like medical education or the quality of your energy or prayer or affirmation and things like that, and that there's really kind of like a combo of things. So to me, in the area of intuition, for some people you can be super woo and we can go off into that but if you're not, we still probably will acknowledge that we do have intuitions and we have a gut feeling and we have something kind of like a knowing before we know. So I want to just acknowledge those two poles of my audience, the people who tend to work with me, you know, somewhere there's really no one who's completely without the woo or completely without the Earth, because I tell people, you're going to be annoyed by me if you were all one or all the other but if you're really ready to combine those, then we'll do well together. So I bring that up because one of my clients will a lot of my clients, I think, will hear me say things like what you're talking about and one of them is like when you're in networking situations and this is why I miss in-person networking so much is because it's this just does not communicate as strongly through Zoom but when I've been an in-person networking situations and you walk in that room and there's like, who knows, like 150 people in here.

And I always have this feeling of like my people will find me and I will find my people and I will kind of lift up an affirmation and an intention of like those people who can be most benefited by my services, be guided to contact me. And then I kind of look around for my people and I'm not the only one who has had this experience but somebody will come up to us in those situations and say, I'm supposed to talk to you, but I don't know why and I've heard that, I mean, I've heard that on 10 different occasions in that language. You know, sometimes it can be kind of a little less obvious to them, like they kind of wander over, but they don't realize that they were sent over but I just had a client affirm that the other day she said, you know, someone came up to me and said, I don't why I’m supposed to talk to you, but here I am.

And I think what's really good is if that becomes a normal situation for you, then you become more comfortable. So I love the idea that you're with the client that you mentioned, the doctor. Her first step is really to acknowledge and accept, like this is what I am and this is what I have and the next piece of it for people like you and me, it's going to be helping people to communicate that in ways that it can be received by your people effectively. And I think the problem is that we're held hostage by the people who will never work with us, like the people she's afraid of the reaction from people who will never work with a medical intuitive, right?

Absolutely, yeah, it's like who are you speaking to? What audience are you speaking to? And to that point, I will say that, you know, as an oracle, I'm always channeling like the right people are coming because, yeah, you're right to work with me, you also have to receive all of me. Yes, I have tons of experience in operations and sales and marketing from from my corporate experience, and I use every tool that I have in my box, whether that's my MLP experience, whether that's my hippotherapy experience, whether that's literally blessings or sayings or insights from the Oracle, all of that comes to the table and yes, that's who I am.

But I also agree that it's well, it's more challenging today than perhaps in the past when we were networking more actively and in person. I have people reach out to me all the time when I'm being visible right? This is a part of what you're saying when I think visible and clear about who I am that will say your face, stop my scrolling on Facebook like I knew I had to reach out to you. Yes, right, because energetically it doesn't matter where we are we are all connected on, you know, literally on a quantum level and so when we are clear, I always say, when you're clear on what that is, you become a clear channel of who you are, what you do, you become a conduit for the people who are your match or vibrational match, your spiritual match, your gift match and that gift can be technical, can be a very earthbound thing but if it's not clear, no one will know it and they won't be able to receive it from you.

And what I always say about that is that, you know, I can always take the wheel and concretize it, so if people are like, well, I don't understand this, like becoming a Clear Channel thing. I'm like, when you were very clear on what you do, you can communicate it better so other people can understand it oh ok. When you are clear on who is a perfect client for you, then when they show up you recognize them and it's more of a pass fail. So what would that transition into what like in business, the places where I feel like intuition comes up most often and where I think and this is what I wanted your help with today, where I think we get frazzled and conflicting messages. A place, for example, is with clients, so if somebody has a meeting with someone who's a potential client, they can get a lot of, let's say, just information about that and so what if they get some information and that's like mm hmm yellow, white not sure about this one and then they get some like, well, they meet this criteria and this criteria and then they have, let's say, something like, gosh, I need some new clients. All of that's going on, how do they hear the key message in that which is like slow down, you need some more information about this client before you proceed or like run away, this is a dreadful client.

Right so that's a really great point to make and for me, I call that, like, multidimensional communication right? Because coming at you at one time, to me the biggest key isn't once you're in the situation, it's before you even get there, you knowing getting comfortable with listening to the part of you that knows where you're going. And that is kind of like playing with your intuition, but it's also just playing with your your desires and it doesn't have to be woo the conversation. I'm very confident and comfortable and talking about the scientific aspects of what we call woo, there's so much that, that is just natural and so for us to embrace that natural inclination, the natural nudging we get as normal so when we normalize it, then we are able to actually hone in on it, it takes practice like anything to recognize when that yellow signal is really strong for a reason after then practice listening and following through right, it's kind of a call and response experience we're like, oh, wait a minute, let me check, let me check back in, is that like, hold off? Is that oh no like you said, get out of here or is that I need more information, be cautious, be aware, be pay attention because someone's paying attention is helpful and I can give you an example. I have a client who we're talking about bringing people in to her sphere and she happens to be a luxury agent. And so she was talking about that very question you have like who do I want now that I'm really kind of clear about who I am, who do I want? And so, as you said, we kind of start with most typically, like, let's create the avatar, whatever right?

Well, one of the pieces for her, her knowing side of herself, when we walk through the process of looking at like who is really aligned to you, who feels like a really good fit you know you can serve right? It's not just numbers and ages and things like that i's like who will show up as you said, who see you as valuable for all you offer? And when we got really clear about that she said, what about these other people? Here's the hint the question is asking why you're asking the question. The question is, why are you asking the question, because if you know why you're asking the question, you'll know whether or not you're following your intuition or you are, like you said before, by their client trying to match a pattern you see outside of yourself as officially ok right, like I'm supposed to do it this way, so why am I not? Well, you're not, because that's well, for me, that's not how we do it. But, boy, you're not because scarcity is coming in and influencing that decision , that's causing you to just put barriers where they don't even need to be. And so when you ask that question, you usually can tell and she did that, that what she was thinking is, what about the other people that might want to work with me? I'm like, they're not your people, so the question answers the question and when you get really clear and you create a space inside yourself before you even get on the phone with someone or make a connection with someone, then everybody wins that's the other part, everybody wins because you're not their person so let them go find their person, so what you need to make room for the people that are your people, because that's where you get success, because those are your raving fans, because those are people that are going to bring other people like them to you. Have you ever had a client, who you muscled through, I'll raise my own hand then they send people to you and you're like, oh, no, what did I do? Exactly then you have the wrong fit person who sends the wrong fit referrals, four of them, yes. An abundance, an abundance of wrong, all wrong, this is all wrong. So that's knowing that that's the benefit, right? Is to know so clearly that it's ok to say no or pass someone on someone else to not communicate to them, you know what they're looking for, you know who other people are, you can send off more happily.

Yeah, I think at the heart of that is there is an abundance mindset and I think intuition is abundant and that's when I have seen things go awry a lot of times that the scarcity mindset has influenced it or just a not trusting of like an unfamiliarity, I think probably most people will need to make a mistake 3 times, you know 3 to individual examples before they really get things right. The way that I describe what how that intuitively feels to me when somebody who's not quite a fit for me is with me. I was talking with a guy one time and it was almost like a smell, you know, when you kind of smell something and you're like oh, it's grandma's kitchen or oh, it's whatever, I was like, there's something about this guy, so going on the back of my mind, well, I'm having a conversation, I was like, just think about him, I don't know, he's kind of just reminding me of somebody, what is he reminding me of and then I got irritable and I was like, oh, that here horrible client Yikes!! and then I was like conclude this conversation politely and we're done, you know what I mean? So can you talk to that? Because that kind of that's kind of the very light way that that my intuition came through so what does it sound like for different people? I'm sure it's always different for people, yeah?

Yeah, that's a good point. It is often different for people and what you just said was really a great point, we do have leading senses, right? I'm very visual, so if I work with my clients, I often like, I always joke, I'm sitting in front of a holodeck and I see, like, things for them and that where they appear to mean something old versus other things but I have clients olfactory, so smell is really strong for a lot of people. And then there's also you know there is the tactile response, like literally people feel like their skin crawl. Yeah, yeah stomach ache or heart hurts. Yeah water in and get heartburn or something, yeah, yeah. So you in this again this is all about like getting comfortable with recognizing and it doesn't have to be a bad thing but the funny part about it is usually it's like in a situation like you just explain if you had gone forward, it would have been an hindsight that was the lesson, you listen oh, I remember now when I was talking to him and I had that feeling. So, you know, my gift and my goal with my clients is to help them harness that power before that happens but once they do, to recognize where they were getting their signal, because it is a different for everybody.

Most people, though, most and I'm not saying everyone, but most people, they can recognize what we call that little voice, right, it's a thought, fleeting, but it's so clear, it's like the tiniest, purest bell being rung and you like hot now it's stopping at the hot. It's not going forward and waiting, asking a question, but there is more often than not a sense that you personally have that you're much more sensitive to and that's the conduit, right? That's the easiest way for the message, right? That’s in your system now it has to get to you.

So everyone has a different one, so it's kind of like think about that what if I say to you, think about your happiest memory, what happens first? You see a picture, smell a smell. Do you have a feeling in your body that's a pretty good indicator, that's where you are. Your system, your internal system, your body system communicates to you, to the mind body connection is all about that.

That's interesting, so I think that's a really good example, I think of your happiest memory and another one to me I want our listeners to kind of think of a time when you did have an intuitive hit. Sometimes it's just more memorable, the negative ones but I feel like what about like when you met somebody who was going to be a major person in your life, whether it's your spouse or your best friend or you know, for me, it's like when I saw the dog I was going to adopt or something like that, you know what I mean? I feel like we have this kind of like energy around it. And it can be really vague sometimes I can describe it like perfectly, it's like, well, the world stopped and there was like a spotlight on that person or, you know, they just stood out in the crowd is like the only one or my heart hurt because I was realizing I was stuck in a situation that was no good or I heard words in my head that didn't sound like they were coming for me. So I feel like it's helpful for everyone just to kind of take a moment and get in touch with that. The other thing I wanted you to unpack for us is you mentioned not just relying on your intuition the moment, but preparing for it and it reminds me, speaking of dogs, of I'm doing some leash training with a new dog and the point that the trainers have made is don't train in the moment when the situation is happening, practice away from there and I was like, oh, cool like, obvious, but not obvious and I feel like intuition is that way, too. So I was intrigued when you said practice your intuition, not in the moment, but beforehand, so say more about that.

Yeah, absolutely it is and so funnily enough, my husband happens to be a dog trainer, so yes, yes and yes to that. And that's what the funny thing is, that's what we talk about, that's the energy he talks all the time, like it's the energy and you have to have your own energy in check first. So, yes, to your point a moment ago, the beauty of knowing when you know, in hindsight, when it's working or it's always working, but when it's working to point out something that's negative or positive is that you can do that at any time and what I was saying before is like, if you've always been one of those people who like, I don't believe in any of that, which is fine, fair enough of a client that that's how we started not the case at all today.

But one of the things that she started to see and what we had her do as an example is I asked her what she liked to do to relax, and because she was trying to understand, like next steps for herself and she was building an organization. And so she was in a place where we were like, what are the next choices do we have to make and what are we doing with this plan? And so I sent her off on a little adventure and I said, you know, we voxer so I said, hey, you need to go off now and go do something else because you've got yourself kind of jammed in this. And so I said, what do you like to do? Like, just go take your mind off things and so she started riding her bike. And then because of the work we'd already done and talking about intuition and listening and hearing, she sent me a message, she got off her bike like halfway down the road and said, you know, she's like, oh my gosh, the answer is blah, blah, blah. Yes. I said orderly, she's like, I suddenly realize I'm always getting messages while I'm on my bike and I'm like, yes, but before you were not paying attention to them, they were just random thoughts but because of the work we put it in to start looking for those nudges, you heard it clearly and distinctly because we had set up we had set up a test drive and said, we have the situation what's the answer? And instead of focusing on the answers, she went off to do what helped her mind come to rest and then the thought and the pattern in the answers. So whenever she was stuck, that was her first, though to now, it's just go on a ride or if she had a big meeting to go to, she would take a ride the night before or in the morning before and be ready to receive, as you were saying, whatever she needed to hear or whatever she needed to know to step in as fully as she could into the situation, and it served her really well and she's like one of those people that had no idea what the Oracle is when we met, had no inclination at all to look at anything slightly woo and now she has her own Oracle deck and she's sending messages about how she uses it to get messages and to, like, reaffirm where she's at and to be balanced in how she approaches her life and she's so much happier because of it.

I love that example so much because, you know, everybody has their kind of place they get ideas and you know like, it's the shower or on the treadmill or for me, it's like walking on trails with dogs, though, like you're a person who's riding the bicycle. And that's one reason that I discourage hourly rates, because I don't understand how you bill someone for, like the hour that you spent in the shower, getting great ideas and solving the problems for them. But I have a client and her place is the hot tub and so she'll soak in the tub and she has created, she's talked to me before and said like, oh, my God, I'm really stressed out because I'm so full of program and I can't really figure out how it's going to work. This is like intellectual property kind of ideas, like the process methodology, so super concrete but she's like, I'm trying to work this out, I can't figure it out, I don't know what to do, so then she gets in the tub and she gets like almost a complete download of the whole entire thing so most of my audience will be familiar with me using the term divine download.

So it's just like when you get ideas that they may feel like they're not yours, so they may feel like they're yours, who really cares where they come from? It's like you've received the answer to that thing and her’s can be like, you know, in complete sentences, it's like here's the whole map of the whole entire process for her IP, which is kind of amazing. But as you're saying, any big decision, she just takes it to the tub and in general, just kind of staying in tune, balanced and centered, that happens in the tub, it's funny for me because I am so far from a tub person, I do not want to sit in water, I don't want to soak in water I want to live near water and that is it I'll take a quick shower we're done.

So it's just not my medium but I love that, that works for her and again, for our listeners. I'm like, where as you said, where, where do you relax? Where is your ideal place where you're like chilling out place and I super love gardening and chopping vegetables. Those activities that like occupy the front of your mind, like enough that the back of your mind is like Lulu!! It's also why I don't listen to a lot of things except for my podcast and your podcast, because I want to have my mind open for kind of random thoughts to go through there. So that's just such a beautiful example of how to use this for decision making, which I think is so sometimes difficult, other things on that topic.

Well, the last piece you just said, which is that, that we do our minds are designed that way. So we have portions of our mind that are meant to stay busy right? They're designed to do that and so oftentimes people who are like your consultants, very high achieving, goal oriented, that part of our mind is running 97.99% of the time and so the moment which to your point, the moment we take a break from that, all of that insight, all of that intuition has been that lucky right? So that's why it feels like I want to talk about that, because I think that's such a word people get like a go, I'm like, oh, it's always been there it just feels like a download because you haven't been quiet long enough to hear it and you once you do, it's like, oh, here you go, here's the answer and so it's different for everyone, but it's also not always that or does it have to always be that way? It can be subtle and it can be like this shot and it can be like this waterfall. It's when you hear it and you recognize where it's coming from that you pay attention to because it's yours, it's gifted to you for a reason, you have something to do with it and to me, that's the part it's like you can ignore it like you can stay busy and do busy, busy stuff for a long time and you can maybe even succeed in that. But your system is meant to be whole and this is a part of it and if you bring it in, what happens is there's a balance, like you said, your client now that she knows that it becomes a tool, becomes a resource for you to do your life and business with more needs and to me, there's nothing better that.

I will call it, in her case, a spiritual practice, so a way to stay in touch with stay connected to the divine. So, again, that's language that I'm comfortable with and she's comfortable with and maybe not everyone is, we could call that kind of like a self care ritual you know any other language that says this is the thing that I choose and intend to do on a regular basis, because I know it makes me a better person. It makes me a better version of myself and it keeps me connected to something larger than myself so that I can do my best work. Right, absolutely yes, we are in our inner circle here, we call that self-sustaining activities. Oh, I love that. Yeah, they're meant to provide us with what we need to move forward.

Definitely awesome. So I wanted to ask you to talk to us a little bit about a prosperity mindset, because we've talked about the scarcity mindset and how I think it can skew the intuition signal. So how do we access the prosperity mindset? Well, that's a great question. So for me, I always take people back to what we were just talking about, which is source. I mean, I think that the most fundamental thing that we as humans in the world over time can get disconnected to is the very fact that we are connected, that this system that we are living in on a microcosmic level is connected and we are connected to everything that we desire. We have to move through different gates at different levels as far as what we're doing and how we're doing it but the access to prosperity is literally just a breath away and the reason is that we can choose to look at our lives in any given moment and see the wealth of prosperity around us, or we can see lack and it is a choice, but it becomes its own divining rod, so if you are a person who is struggling with limits, you know, you're finding, as we were just talking to say in the description, we're kind of for somebody who is trying to bring in new clients. And when you go to that networking event, your mind is in a state of concern right now or despair, then your system will start sending off despair signals and that energy is repellent or repulsive.

Ok, so I'm going to do a translation for you for my non-woo listeners. Think about when you go dating and you've just broken up with somebody and you're feeling all desperate for a day that's the same energy of it. So a lot of people can accept that, they can't necessarily accept, like when I'm desperate for money, I should not go networking or I should work on my energy before that. However, most people would realize when you meet the desperate guy at the event and you're like, whoa, buddy, slow down, right?

Yeah, exactly and you want to just be away from that energy naturally and it's in the other piece of this is not to take it personally, because that will just perpetuated by the way so if anything is me that you're like, oh I remember walking into a networking event after I lost a big deal and I felt like I was wearing a sign that said, I think I feel that changes your physiology as well. So the same is true, and it's so interesting to me when people think like, oh, I can think of a negative response to a thought, but it's harder for us oftentimes not to think of a positive response to a thought. What I mean by that is I tell people if I were to walk on stage, which I've done in the past, and say to you, I want all of you to start thinking right now about having the worst form of a disease, but I won't even mention right here and raise your hand if you're related to that, no one is going to raise their hand why? Because some part of you already knows that is a bad idea. I mean, so you're going to have to think about it nobody wants to do that but if I say to you, all right, everybody, I want you to think about having the most luxurious version of your wealth idea, whatever your wealth picture is right now, I want you to think about it with every fiber of your being raise your hand. Guess what, some people like, of course, Amanda might raise a few and those who do often are tentative because there's a sense like, well, will that work? But I'm like, wait, a minute ago you knew it would work and you said, no, I'm not doing that.

So what's the fear? Yeah, so where is the fear then? Is this the kicker for prosperity what if it works? Uh huh, fear of success. What does it mean in my life? I actually do have right now everything I need to be wealthy, to be even wealthy beyond my wildest previous imagination. What does my life look like? What do I have to let go of? Who do I have to become? Who do I have to let go of in my sphere? Those are the tendrils of fear that often slide in around people's ankles when they really look at prosperity.

Yep, that makes a lot of sense and fear of disappointment, I think of like wanting it and not getting it and you know, I feel like it's just complicated. I think a lot of people and I don't know if this is like Americans or Westerners or what or if it's like anybody related to the Puritans. We just have this idea that receiving a lot is not ok, we like to watch that on TV for some people, but for ourselves, it's kind of like hard to receive that.

Right, I'm glad you mentioned the Puritans, because it is a mindset in our society. There is this mindset which is, it’s tied to the idea and the concept that suffering is noble, noble, and there's a piety to suffrage, and what happens as people live and grow in that society is the sign of being alive gets buffered against that and then there are patterns of unworthiness, that we have to uncover and unblock, there are patterns of shame and guilt around the “too muchness” and ultimately all of that comes back to safety and source. And so to me, the ultimate prosperity is continuing to feel safely connected to source, which that's what I try to practice with my clients and show them a way towards.

Awesome, I would say that I do as well. Definitely worthiness of receiving and things like that, but it's complicated. So we take a very simple idea, like just trust your gut and it kind of expands into all of these other things you know, maybe that's why it's not so easy and not so simple. But I do think that that at the root, these practices that you're talking about, like if we can leave the complicated behind and like, go to your happy place, that's a place where you're able to hear truth wherever it comes from and whatever it does you know said to people before, it doesn't really matter to me what your faith tradition is or if you have one at all but there are things you do in places you go to be balanced and centered and calm and as part of your week, as part of you managing the craziness of all of our lives, like where you go and do that and as you're saying, like that's the place you can hear it. So I'm really glad that that aligns as and I would say that's to me that the nugget of how you do intuition is go to a place where you can be still and hear it.

Right practice and do it on a practical way, like do it practicing. It's not something that you know, there's the ultimate moment when you hear it and there's all this energy and you see it in movies and books and things like, oh and then I was there was a sign from God or I have this moment and I have this path. It's like, yeah, it's happening all the time and how amazing would it be if when you start your day, your connection is clear and then you're asking, as you said, you ask yourself for that guidance throughout the day, not just when things are going wrong, but on a regular basis. So it is a part of your practice of being a leader and an entrepreneur and a consultant like you have an amazing impact on the world because you touched so many lives, start with yourself, stay connected, touch base. However, that looks like you said, I mean, it doesn't matter as long as it's clear to you and then you follow through with those insights that you receive.

I mean, it's just so exciting to be able to have that, and I just feel like everything you just said is so inspiring. So I have 30 more questions, but we have to wrap up because I could just talk about this topic forever but thank you so much for coming and talking with us about this and for bringing your unique perspective to it and for making it completely practical and as well as we can handle and I don't know, superduper I loved it.

Oh, it was wonderful, I love talking about this topic, yes and we could talk all day. So thank you so much for sharing your space with me.

Thank you, Lia. And with that, we wish all of you a profitable and joyful consulting business.