1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,420 What happens when you are only one prompt away from creating 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,520 almost anything you want online? 3 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:07,780 What becomes real? 4 00:00:07,900 --> 00:00:12,490 Like right now, you have the ability with about one prompt or maybe a 5 00:00:12,490 --> 00:00:13,990 series of a few prompts to create. 6 00:00:14,330 --> 00:00:19,310 Any kind of website, a sales funnel, uh, mobile apps, uh, applications 7 00:00:19,310 --> 00:00:22,580 that you can use online that you might be paying hundreds of dollars 8 00:00:22,580 --> 00:00:26,990 for now you can create for yourself in minutes, and you could even turn 9 00:00:26,990 --> 00:00:29,480 this into a business in an afternoon. 10 00:00:29,509 --> 00:00:31,610 I mean, that's what we're talking about here. 11 00:00:31,610 --> 00:00:34,970 It's a wild reality that us as entrepreneurs have the 12 00:00:34,970 --> 00:00:36,155 ability to take advantage of. 13 00:00:36,895 --> 00:00:38,544 But we gotta focus on the principles. 14 00:00:38,544 --> 00:00:40,674 Like what are the things that you should do first and what are the 15 00:00:40,674 --> 00:00:42,414 things you should never automate? 16 00:00:42,595 --> 00:00:44,275 And a whole bunch of things in in the middle there. 17 00:00:44,275 --> 00:00:46,164 So Bill McIntosh is here. 18 00:00:46,164 --> 00:00:49,104 He is in the trenches, literally building this technology. 19 00:00:49,345 --> 00:00:52,914 So he is gonna break down what this concept of vibe coding is, 20 00:00:53,155 --> 00:00:56,815 or even vibe marketing, like this whole thing that now is a reality. 21 00:00:56,995 --> 00:00:58,615 We're gonna dive into it in this episode. 22 00:00:58,914 --> 00:00:59,305 Enjoy. 23 00:01:04,855 --> 00:01:08,935 bill, we are finally doing this on the podcast. 24 00:01:08,935 --> 00:01:11,605 It's been, um, I dunno, when did we meet? 25 00:01:11,605 --> 00:01:14,965 It had to have been almost a decade ago, I would say when we 26 00:01:15,085 --> 00:01:17,485 Yeah, it's actually more than a decade ago. 27 00:01:17,485 --> 00:01:20,485 I think it's, it's might be closer to like 15 years ago. 28 00:01:20,545 --> 00:01:20,785 Uh, yeah. 29 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:21,460 I believe it. 30 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:23,140 That's cool. 31 00:01:23,170 --> 00:01:26,860 Yeah, so, uh, I haven't talked about it a lot, at least not recently on the show, 32 00:01:26,860 --> 00:01:31,570 but I used to, I cut my teeth doing a lot of video sales letters for different 33 00:01:31,570 --> 00:01:35,320 people in marketing, you know, online marketing, some local businesses as well. 34 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:35,740 And Bill. 35 00:01:35,740 --> 00:01:39,370 Yeah, you were one of the first clients I had and I Yeah. 36 00:01:39,370 --> 00:01:41,680 You were doing a product launch, I think is what it was, right? 37 00:01:41,740 --> 00:01:42,670 Contest burner. 38 00:01:42,995 --> 00:01:43,285 Yeah. 39 00:01:43,285 --> 00:01:43,295 Yeah. 40 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:44,800 Contest burner. 41 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,390 That goes back way back. 42 00:01:46,390 --> 00:01:50,170 But yeah, you, uh, boy, you helped me a lot in that launch, 43 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,220 so that, that was awesome. 44 00:01:51,310 --> 00:01:51,490 Yeah. 45 00:01:52,015 --> 00:01:53,065 Those were wild times. 46 00:01:53,065 --> 00:01:54,325 I mean, yeah, I learned a lot. 47 00:01:54,325 --> 00:01:57,505 I know everybody was, it was just like the crazy launch era, right? 48 00:01:57,505 --> 00:01:57,685 Like 49 00:01:57,745 --> 00:02:01,345 well, well dude, I remember like, it's like two in the morning I'm on the phone 50 00:02:01,345 --> 00:02:05,125 with you and like we we're launching at 8:00 AM we gotta get this done and 51 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:06,955 you're like grinding all the way through. 52 00:02:07,045 --> 00:02:11,665 Um, and then we get the video and boom, it's live just in time and yeah. 53 00:02:13,390 --> 00:02:16,300 And it's like, yeah, well thanks for trusting me and hanging out. 54 00:02:16,390 --> 00:02:20,620 And, uh, yeah, I mean, you've done some epic things throughout the 55 00:02:20,620 --> 00:02:23,590 years and uh, what's kind of cool is like, yeah, you said you've 56 00:02:23,590 --> 00:02:25,300 been kind of quiet lately, right? 57 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:25,405 And so. 58 00:02:26,210 --> 00:02:29,690 But you're, you're building some really interesting stuff now with AI 59 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,770 and some really timely things around vibe coding, which is a topic that 60 00:02:33,770 --> 00:02:34,940 we're starting to hear more about. 61 00:02:34,970 --> 00:02:38,120 So definitely want to debunk what that is in your perspective 62 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,305 and what's possible for people. 63 00:02:39,570 --> 00:02:40,230 Sure, sure. 64 00:02:40,230 --> 00:02:44,027 Yeah, I, I mean, it's funny, vibe coating is like a dual-edged sword. 65 00:02:44,027 --> 00:02:47,867 There's some awesome things about that really empower entrepreneurs. 66 00:02:48,137 --> 00:02:51,677 And then there's some things that are, you know, that I think, uh, can 67 00:02:51,677 --> 00:02:53,147 steer people in the wrong way, but. 68 00:02:53,187 --> 00:02:54,027 Uh, interesting. 69 00:02:54,027 --> 00:02:54,357 Yeah. 70 00:02:54,357 --> 00:02:57,207 So let's, we'll definitely break that all down. 71 00:02:57,627 --> 00:03:02,577 Uh, but really what I wanna start back, or start with is your, your journey. 72 00:03:02,577 --> 00:03:06,597 Not all the way through, but really, I mean, you started in 99, 98, right? 73 00:03:06,627 --> 00:03:07,797 Um, online. 74 00:03:08,257 --> 00:03:10,832 Basically building businesses that way, doing marketing. 75 00:03:11,027 --> 00:03:11,597 Yeah, exactly. 76 00:03:11,597 --> 00:03:13,127 It's the very end of 97. 77 00:03:13,127 --> 00:03:16,307 Going into 98 is when I first jumped in online way. 78 00:03:16,907 --> 00:03:19,097 I remember it was gonna make me sound so old. 79 00:03:19,457 --> 00:03:23,387 But, uh, I remember America online when they first opened the 80 00:03:23,387 --> 00:03:26,867 gates from their walled garden to the general, the proper web. 81 00:03:27,287 --> 00:03:30,557 And that was when like the light bulb went on of, oh man, this 82 00:03:30,557 --> 00:03:32,087 is, this is such an opportunity. 83 00:03:32,087 --> 00:03:33,767 And I, I jumped in. 84 00:03:33,978 --> 00:03:36,749 how did you start, like what was that jump in moment like? 85 00:03:36,989 --> 00:03:39,119 Was there a product or, or something that stood out? 86 00:03:39,824 --> 00:03:39,944 Yeah. 87 00:03:39,944 --> 00:03:43,694 Well, for me, at the time I had a traditional, um, business. 88 00:03:43,694 --> 00:03:46,964 We had a traditional business publishing magazines and newspapers. 89 00:03:46,964 --> 00:03:51,164 And if you, if you remember like all the throwaway job magazines that would be 90 00:03:51,164 --> 00:03:56,130 in like the liquor stores and We spent a fortune on printing and distribution, 91 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,070 um, of that magazine every single week. 92 00:03:59,550 --> 00:04:04,020 Um, and so in a funny way, I got into the internet to save money, right? 93 00:04:04,020 --> 00:04:08,970 So I, I kind of realized we could reach a much bigger and more qualified 94 00:04:08,970 --> 00:04:11,310 audience for a lot less money. 95 00:04:11,370 --> 00:04:15,030 So we built a site, the first site, I think the site cost me like 96 00:04:15,030 --> 00:04:17,445 $70,000 to build my first website. 97 00:04:17,745 --> 00:04:18,285 Wow, 98 00:04:18,775 --> 00:04:22,645 a bit later after getting that was kind of my, my start cutting my teeth on it. 99 00:04:22,975 --> 00:04:27,475 I started to realize, uh, in terms of reaching the, uh, such a huge audience, 100 00:04:27,535 --> 00:04:32,995 even in the early days back then, uh, it, yeah, it's, uh, it's amazing how easy it 101 00:04:32,995 --> 00:04:34,435 is to get in front of a lot of people. 102 00:04:34,683 --> 00:04:35,223 It's interesting. 103 00:04:35,223 --> 00:04:35,433 Yeah. 104 00:04:35,433 --> 00:04:39,063 You got online to save money and, and still to this day, I feel 105 00:04:39,063 --> 00:04:40,983 like, I mean, it's very scalable. 106 00:04:40,983 --> 00:04:43,953 Like, especially with AI now, there's a, it's almost like another 107 00:04:43,953 --> 00:04:45,543 wave of that happening, right? 108 00:04:45,543 --> 00:04:45,903 So, 109 00:04:46,309 --> 00:04:49,759 all this technology, they've been like, it's like a great equalizer. 110 00:04:50,059 --> 00:04:54,529 Even going all the way back to like 98, you know, it, it became so easy to 111 00:04:54,529 --> 00:04:58,549 start a business, um, as opposed to if you think about what goes into building 112 00:04:58,549 --> 00:05:04,069 a traditional, like offline, bricks and mortar, nothing but real world business. 113 00:05:04,864 --> 00:05:10,204 There is so much cost and expertise and time that goes into doing that. 114 00:05:10,264 --> 00:05:14,524 And so, you know, even, even like if you fast forward a bit to like 115 00:05:14,524 --> 00:05:18,574 things like WordPress, that started to make it so easy for anyone to just 116 00:05:18,874 --> 00:05:20,644 jump online and start a business. 117 00:05:20,674 --> 00:05:24,844 And now with ai it's, it's ridiculous how easy it is. 118 00:05:24,844 --> 00:05:28,594 So it's, it's such an amazing opportunity for entrepreneurs. 119 00:05:28,924 --> 00:05:29,554 It is. 120 00:05:29,884 --> 00:05:34,894 Well, what are some principles that you find yourself still going to, you know, 121 00:05:34,894 --> 00:05:40,774 from like starting back in 98, 9, 7 98, that you're still carrying to today? 122 00:05:40,894 --> 00:05:43,804 Uh, because, you know, with, with ai, I think a lot of us get. 123 00:05:44,734 --> 00:05:49,744 At least if you're newer, you kind of have a, it's a shiny object kind of 124 00:05:49,744 --> 00:05:52,264 moment in a way because there's so much that you can do and what's possible. 125 00:05:52,264 --> 00:05:56,074 But what do you feel like you live by principle wise, as a business 126 00:05:56,074 --> 00:05:57,759 owner, um, with all these changes? 127 00:05:58,088 --> 00:06:01,238 Well, I think you, you can never lose sight of what 128 00:06:01,238 --> 00:06:03,338 grounds the money making, right? 129 00:06:03,338 --> 00:06:07,478 So the reason you get paid money at the end of the day is by serving people. 130 00:06:07,898 --> 00:06:12,308 So exciting technology and AI and that bots and all the fun. 131 00:06:12,338 --> 00:06:15,998 It's fun to create, create that stuff, but you can never lose 132 00:06:15,998 --> 00:06:19,988 sight of the fact that the business is purely there to help others. 133 00:06:20,243 --> 00:06:23,162 And the better you are at doing that, the more money you make. 134 00:06:23,672 --> 00:06:27,812 And then kinda stemming from that is to not lose sight that it, there are humans 135 00:06:27,812 --> 00:06:33,302 and you have to think of human behavior, um, in, in all aspects of your business. 136 00:06:33,307 --> 00:06:37,322 And, and I think, um, yeah, people get all lost in the exciting, shiny, new 137 00:06:37,322 --> 00:06:39,182 stuff and, and they forget about that. 138 00:06:39,182 --> 00:06:41,552 Yeah, no, it's true because I, it, I don't know. 139 00:06:41,552 --> 00:06:43,112 What are your, what's your perspective on this? 140 00:06:43,112 --> 00:06:44,162 I feel like humans. 141 00:06:44,672 --> 00:06:48,692 Even more so because, you know, I do a lot of AI stuff with the, the cloning 142 00:06:48,692 --> 00:06:50,042 and, you know, the Delphi stuff. 143 00:06:50,372 --> 00:06:54,632 And, uh, I feel like more and more humans are just gonna get 144 00:06:54,632 --> 00:06:57,992 more important, you know, through, through this whole thing of ai. 145 00:06:58,185 --> 00:07:01,112 I think it's easy to lose sight of, you know, I could build this website, do 146 00:07:01,112 --> 00:07:03,992 all these cool things, but at the end of the day, you still gotta live by the 147 00:07:03,992 --> 00:07:06,362 rules of, Hey, humans gonna use this. 148 00:07:06,362 --> 00:07:08,222 This is just a tool that we have. 149 00:07:08,222 --> 00:07:08,492 Right? 150 00:07:08,492 --> 00:07:12,362 And it's made to enhance all of our lives in some way. 151 00:07:12,602 --> 00:07:16,082 Yeah, and I, I think too, just AI in general, there's so much confusion on 152 00:07:16,082 --> 00:07:19,382 what it, the general public doesn't even really understand what it is. 153 00:07:19,472 --> 00:07:25,349 Um, but yeah, I think it, it is, it is purely a. Uh, a creativity 154 00:07:25,409 --> 00:07:26,969 unlocker, I guess you'd say. 155 00:07:26,969 --> 00:07:28,379 People are afraid of it. 156 00:07:28,829 --> 00:07:29,904 Um, but truly. 157 00:07:30,914 --> 00:07:32,444 Yes, we're gonna go through disruption. 158 00:07:32,474 --> 00:07:34,754 There's gonna be a shift in the economy. 159 00:07:34,831 --> 00:07:39,721 there are gonna be changes to jobs and things like that, but I, I do not believe 160 00:07:39,721 --> 00:07:42,751 that we're gonna be in a situation where, you know, like half the planet's going 161 00:07:42,751 --> 00:07:47,681 to be unemployed, you know, our jobs will shift, and in fact, AI are gonna, 162 00:07:47,681 --> 00:07:49,901 I believe, make our jobs more enjoyable. 163 00:07:50,081 --> 00:07:54,251 I think that we'll be able to focus on the creative aspects and then the 164 00:07:54,251 --> 00:07:56,231 AI unleashes a lot of the busy work. 165 00:07:56,876 --> 00:07:58,196 We would typically have to do. 166 00:07:58,286 --> 00:08:02,276 So it's, it's more about empowering creation, not not hurting it. 167 00:08:02,379 --> 00:08:05,079 How do you Yeah, because I, I absolutely agree because there's 168 00:08:05,109 --> 00:08:06,579 no doubt gonna be a shift. 169 00:08:06,609 --> 00:08:10,839 I'm curious of like the timeline you have in mind, um, but because everybody 170 00:08:10,839 --> 00:08:13,959 has their own kind of timelines for all this stuff and like how it's gonna shift. 171 00:08:14,559 --> 00:08:18,639 But like, if you were to, I guess, talk with, you are entrepreneurs listening 172 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:21,939 and watching, like how would you describe from your perspective, like 173 00:08:21,939 --> 00:08:26,049 the shift that's coming, maybe talk about the timeline and you know, maybe 174 00:08:26,049 --> 00:08:27,789 the disruptions and some opportunities. 175 00:08:28,372 --> 00:08:30,712 Well, I mean, I think it depends industry to industry. 176 00:08:30,712 --> 00:08:32,692 I think it, it, it depends a lot. 177 00:08:32,752 --> 00:08:37,672 Um, you know, we can zero in on, um, the, my big thing these days is the realm 178 00:08:37,672 --> 00:08:43,582 of AI assisted coding and, um, and, and have an AI that creates websites and, 179 00:08:43,732 --> 00:08:48,382 you know, all the various kinds of online assets, you know, so, you know, software, 180 00:08:48,382 --> 00:08:51,652 apps, web apps, websites, funnels. 181 00:08:52,042 --> 00:08:53,842 And at this point, AI has. 182 00:08:54,517 --> 00:08:56,917 Gotten really good at making those things. 183 00:08:57,007 --> 00:09:00,492 Um, that's an example of an industry that will be disrupted pretty quickly. 184 00:09:00,882 --> 00:09:05,862 Um, I mean, we're already seeing, you know, uh, I was reading an article, 185 00:09:05,922 --> 00:09:08,802 um, uh, talking about how in the big. 186 00:09:09,477 --> 00:09:14,187 Uh, giants like Facebook and, um, uh, inside, well, we'll call 'em 187 00:09:14,187 --> 00:09:19,647 Meta, I guess inside Meta, um, and uh, Google and the big places like 188 00:09:19,647 --> 00:09:25,257 that, 30 to 50% of their current, like new code written is written by ai, 189 00:09:25,682 --> 00:09:26,372 that's crazy. 190 00:09:26,402 --> 00:09:29,312 And it's early, like you said, like this whole vibe coding and this 191 00:09:29,312 --> 00:09:31,892 concept is, is pretty dang new. 192 00:09:31,892 --> 00:09:35,522 I mean, I don't know what the timeline is, but, um, vibe coding now is 193 00:09:35,522 --> 00:09:38,762 becoming more of a, a top of mind thing for people who at least are in ai. 194 00:09:39,947 --> 00:09:42,377 I think the next 12 months for vibe coating is gonna 195 00:09:42,377 --> 00:09:44,807 see, um, massive adoption. 196 00:09:45,227 --> 00:09:47,477 So it's a, it's a brand new industry, by the way. 197 00:09:47,477 --> 00:09:49,187 So maybe we should just dive in. 198 00:09:49,277 --> 00:09:50,537 Should, let's define a little 199 00:09:50,537 --> 00:09:53,837 bit, I think some people don't understand, you know, what vibe coating is. 200 00:09:53,987 --> 00:09:54,947 Should we dive into that? 201 00:09:55,172 --> 00:09:55,682 Let's do it. 202 00:09:55,682 --> 00:09:55,862 Yeah. 203 00:09:55,862 --> 00:09:57,437 Explain it from your perspective, what it is. 204 00:09:57,437 --> 00:09:57,717 Yeah. 205 00:09:58,273 --> 00:10:02,623 I'm not a fan of that as a label vibe coding 'cause it's sort of, it implies 206 00:10:02,623 --> 00:10:05,593 that you're, you're somewhat technical and you're creating code and you're 207 00:10:05,593 --> 00:10:09,763 sort of vibing with the AI and kind of this free spirited, free flowing. 208 00:10:09,763 --> 00:10:11,713 Like, oh, let's make this and let's make that. 209 00:10:12,223 --> 00:10:17,173 Um, so, um, I, I don't have a, a better name for it yet, but, but, 210 00:10:17,563 --> 00:10:19,723 um, there are an explosion of tools. 211 00:10:19,723 --> 00:10:24,433 It's a, it's like an entire industry started just it shit us barely a year old. 212 00:10:24,653 --> 00:10:29,063 It's, um, I think like it had its year birthday just within a couple of days ago. 213 00:10:29,723 --> 00:10:34,608 Uh, and already there's like three multi-billion dollar companies and, 214 00:10:34,673 --> 00:10:39,431 um, and at the end of the day it's AI that helps you write code and there are 215 00:10:39,431 --> 00:10:41,441 all kinds of different apps and tools. 216 00:10:41,821 --> 00:10:47,161 And things that you can do, um, to have AI write code, build websites, build 217 00:10:47,161 --> 00:10:49,471 web apps and stores and stuff like that. 218 00:10:49,945 --> 00:10:54,865 so it's using some of the big LLMs and I think it's cloud code, you know, and I 219 00:10:54,865 --> 00:10:59,030 believe is what the number one LLM that's kind of powering all this stuff, right. 220 00:10:59,602 --> 00:11:02,632 It pretty much, but you would be surprised the pace of innovation. 221 00:11:02,632 --> 00:11:05,902 There are a lot of models that are competing and in some areas 222 00:11:05,902 --> 00:11:10,972 even better than, um, say Claude has sonnet for example, that a, a 223 00:11:10,972 --> 00:11:12,682 lot of, uh, people use for coding. 224 00:11:13,222 --> 00:11:16,972 Um, even some of the Chinese models are now like writing really good code. 225 00:11:17,296 --> 00:11:17,806 that's the thing. 226 00:11:17,806 --> 00:11:18,046 Yeah. 227 00:11:18,076 --> 00:11:20,536 All this stuff is behind the scenes updating. 228 00:11:20,686 --> 00:11:21,046 Right. 229 00:11:21,046 --> 00:11:23,626 And then you have this interface and I guess, yeah, 230 00:11:23,626 --> 00:11:25,306 break down how it kinda works. 231 00:11:25,306 --> 00:11:28,426 'cause some people have probably seen some of these other tools out there. 232 00:11:28,426 --> 00:11:28,516 And 233 00:11:28,531 --> 00:11:31,006 maybe if you wanna name some of 'em too, because I'm kind of curious, 234 00:11:31,006 --> 00:11:34,216 like the valuations you already put at these guys, like within a year, 235 00:11:34,427 --> 00:11:38,897 Yeah, I mean there's this crazy story, um, about a company called Base 44. 236 00:11:39,287 --> 00:11:41,987 You know, they're, they're doing something very similar to what, what I'm 237 00:11:41,987 --> 00:11:45,527 doing and what, what some of the other vibe coding tools that are out there. 238 00:11:46,007 --> 00:11:49,307 And, um, six months, they were six months old. 239 00:11:49,307 --> 00:11:54,527 They had like three people on staff, um, and they sold for 240 00:11:54,527 --> 00:11:55,727 a hundred million dollars. 241 00:11:55,757 --> 00:11:56,537 Wix bought them for. 242 00:11:57,027 --> 00:11:57,807 Uh, works. 243 00:11:58,070 --> 00:12:00,050 Yeah, $80 million in cash. 244 00:12:00,140 --> 00:12:04,970 Um, 20 in some kind of earnout that isn't disclosed, but yeah, it's crazy. 245 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,105 That is nuts. 246 00:12:06,555 --> 00:12:08,085 So that's great. 247 00:12:08,085 --> 00:12:09,135 And they're not the only one. 248 00:12:09,135 --> 00:12:13,125 And you know, you see these different, I mean, I get, I've seen a whole 249 00:12:13,125 --> 00:12:15,945 bunch of 'em pop up and I'm sure they have different use cases. 250 00:12:15,945 --> 00:12:17,835 They're focused on specific things. 251 00:12:18,345 --> 00:12:21,855 So I mean, the fact that you're in this, in the game now, you know, with 252 00:12:21,855 --> 00:12:25,215 your own tool and definitely tell us what it is, break it down and I 253 00:12:25,215 --> 00:12:28,585 guess why it's unique or like the positioning you're, you're doing with it. 254 00:12:29,142 --> 00:12:32,952 There's a bunch of these tools, and you'll see a lot of 'em will talk about that. 255 00:12:32,952 --> 00:12:37,572 They're the, um, that where anyone can build a web app and you just sit down 256 00:12:37,572 --> 00:12:41,772 and talk to the, the AI and it'll build you a web app or a website or you know, 257 00:12:42,222 --> 00:12:43,932 anything that you wanna deploy on the web. 258 00:12:44,524 --> 00:12:47,524 And there's been a huge rush of early adopters. 259 00:12:47,884 --> 00:12:50,224 And those are like the real, the tech savvy people. 260 00:12:50,224 --> 00:12:53,794 People that are, that either know a bit of programming or are technical 261 00:12:53,794 --> 00:12:56,104 enough to be able to work with the ai. 262 00:12:56,344 --> 00:12:59,674 'cause usually the AI will, it often, uh, you know, up until recently 263 00:12:59,674 --> 00:13:01,054 would run into problems and it would. 264 00:13:01,404 --> 00:13:04,764 Have errors in the code and there'd be problems deploying your code. 265 00:13:04,764 --> 00:13:09,564 And, uh, there's even some classic stories of, you know, co non-secure code 266 00:13:09,564 --> 00:13:11,634 that has caused all kinds of problems. 267 00:13:12,084 --> 00:13:16,900 Um, but all of the early adopters, um, and you know, that's already, we have, 268 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,730 uh, one company, I think, uh, worth $2.8 billion, lovable, just crossed, 269 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,730 uh, uh, I think $1.8 billion in value. 270 00:13:25,090 --> 00:13:28,600 So huge companies, and it's only the early adopters. 271 00:13:29,170 --> 00:13:29,650 Uh. 272 00:13:30,155 --> 00:13:33,545 Because the general public, I think is finding they use these tools 273 00:13:33,575 --> 00:13:37,715 and they're not as easy to use as, uh, necessarily advertised. 274 00:13:37,745 --> 00:13:40,685 That's kind of what I think an an average everyday entrepreneur 275 00:13:40,685 --> 00:13:42,245 runs into with these things. 276 00:13:42,605 --> 00:13:42,965 Yeah. 277 00:13:43,745 --> 00:13:44,075 Yeah. 278 00:13:44,405 --> 00:13:46,985 And that's kind of the unique problem I'm trying to solve. 279 00:13:47,075 --> 00:13:51,875 Um, you know, there's that phenomenon of a, a brand new company or a brand 280 00:13:51,875 --> 00:13:55,655 new industry and there's that, that thing of the, uh, as it increases, 281 00:13:55,865 --> 00:13:57,605 then you have to cross the chasm. 282 00:13:57,635 --> 00:13:58,570 Uh, are you familiar with that? 283 00:13:58,970 --> 00:13:59,480 I am. 284 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:00,560 Yeah, but break it down. 285 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:01,970 I, I think it's super timely. 286 00:14:01,970 --> 00:14:02,030 Yeah. 287 00:14:02,368 --> 00:14:02,638 Yeah. 288 00:14:02,638 --> 00:14:05,398 So in a lot of these industries, you get all the early adopters who jump 289 00:14:05,398 --> 00:14:09,088 in and they're willing to like jump through hoops and go through difficult 290 00:14:09,118 --> 00:14:13,198 experiences and they'll persist and you know, and that drives early growth. 291 00:14:13,618 --> 00:14:17,068 But then you hit a point where that market starts to become saturated 292 00:14:17,308 --> 00:14:21,298 and the product really has to evolve to serve the general public. 293 00:14:21,525 --> 00:14:23,055 and that's where we are right now. 294 00:14:23,234 --> 00:14:25,209 and, and that's the problem I'm trying to solve. 295 00:14:25,209 --> 00:14:26,769 I want to come in and, and make. 296 00:14:27,294 --> 00:14:31,614 AI assisted coding tools to truly live up to their potential where, um, 297 00:14:31,794 --> 00:14:33,694 someone with zero tech skills can. 298 00:14:34,299 --> 00:14:39,219 Chat with an AI and they don't have to worry about registering 299 00:14:39,219 --> 00:14:43,629 the domain name, setting up their hosting databases, backend code. 300 00:14:43,899 --> 00:14:47,739 There's all this stuff, um, that many of the other tools you have to 301 00:14:47,739 --> 00:14:51,909 be at least familiar with in order to, you know, get a final product. 302 00:14:51,909 --> 00:14:56,479 So what we're doing, a company called Buildy, so it's Buildy.ai, 303 00:14:56,979 --> 00:14:59,439 and, um, we're solving that so that. 304 00:15:00,009 --> 00:15:06,129 Anyone can have a chat with a, a bot and actually have a completely deployable 305 00:15:06,579 --> 00:15:12,069 ready to go website, sales funnel, shopping cart app, if you wanna build a 306 00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:15,459 complete software as a service business, like it'll do any of those things. 307 00:15:15,697 --> 00:15:20,677 So what, because I, I definitely have some experience with building some apps using 308 00:15:20,677 --> 00:15:27,457 tools like Bolt New and Lipid on Rept Lovable slightly as well, and few others. 309 00:15:27,457 --> 00:15:31,357 I think VO or V zero, however you say it, there's so many there. 310 00:15:31,387 --> 00:15:33,127 There's a lot out there, but you're absolutely right. 311 00:15:33,127 --> 00:15:35,107 You get to a point, like it starts off. 312 00:15:36,097 --> 00:15:38,047 You know, it's, it's, it's all prompt based, 313 00:15:38,077 --> 00:15:38,437 right? 314 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:42,817 Like, so, um, and definitely if you have the coding skills, there's what, there's 315 00:15:42,817 --> 00:15:46,867 sometimes a, a coding version or, or a different view that you can go with. 316 00:15:47,527 --> 00:15:51,547 But after, like I would say a couple prompts, you quickly realize, you're 317 00:15:51,547 --> 00:15:53,467 like, oh my gosh, what am I looking at? 318 00:15:53,557 --> 00:15:57,637 Like, or like, how do I even preview this thing or test this? 319 00:15:57,637 --> 00:16:00,427 And, and yeah, like you said, there's databases to connect 320 00:16:00,427 --> 00:16:01,327 with and all that stuff. 321 00:16:01,518 --> 00:16:04,758 well many, those companies are doing amazing things and I would say, or 322 00:16:04,878 --> 00:16:08,028 especially like Rep has recently had some breakthroughs and some of 323 00:16:08,028 --> 00:16:12,138 the things that they've released if you're a bit technical, right. 324 00:16:12,708 --> 00:16:15,228 Um, and, um. 325 00:16:16,008 --> 00:16:18,918 So, but for someone, like you said, if you, if you don't have at least 326 00:16:18,918 --> 00:16:22,908 some basic understanding of all these different moving parts and then you have 327 00:16:22,908 --> 00:16:26,808 to help the AI debug the app, often, that'll be another thing where bugs 328 00:16:26,808 --> 00:16:30,586 will pop up and you gotta help the app figure out how to debug those things. 329 00:16:30,663 --> 00:16:31,683 That's probably the biggest one. 330 00:16:31,683 --> 00:16:31,983 Right? 331 00:16:31,983 --> 00:16:33,663 Like I've, I've heard that from other friends. 332 00:16:33,723 --> 00:16:35,193 They're like, oh my gosh, what do I do now? 333 00:16:35,603 --> 00:16:39,388 And, and it takes a lot of persistence and, um, either you just have to like, 334 00:16:39,388 --> 00:16:42,958 you know, keep going even though you have no idea what's happening and you're just 335 00:16:42,958 --> 00:16:47,158 sort of hoping you get through, or you, eventually you get frustrated and quit. 336 00:16:47,608 --> 00:16:51,358 And, um, I don't wanna, I'm not knocking any of the other companies, but if 337 00:16:51,358 --> 00:16:56,008 you go look at some of the reviews, that's what you find out is that. 338 00:16:56,578 --> 00:17:00,268 People that know some technology having success and being 339 00:17:00,268 --> 00:17:01,678 very excited about the tools. 340 00:17:01,738 --> 00:17:05,038 But for non-technical entrepreneurs, it's a mess. 341 00:17:05,038 --> 00:17:09,328 Like they're, it's just loaded with horror stories of people trying to build stuff. 342 00:17:09,741 --> 00:17:10,401 so break it down. 343 00:17:10,401 --> 00:17:13,191 I'm like, I'm super curious 'cause I really want to use, build these 344 00:17:13,251 --> 00:17:18,171 just selfishly 'cause I get so many app ideas and, and I know how, 345 00:17:18,411 --> 00:17:19,911 like, we're living in an era now. 346 00:17:19,911 --> 00:17:24,681 I feel like that if there's a tool or some software that you really want, 347 00:17:25,011 --> 00:17:29,061 maybe not like a full blown massive CRM with all the mass, you know, all these 348 00:17:29,061 --> 00:17:30,531 connections, but let's just call it like. 349 00:17:31,206 --> 00:17:35,376 Like, uh, OCRing a, a document or something, you know, um, you know, 350 00:17:35,376 --> 00:17:38,616 where you're taking like an image and you want to put text to it, and 351 00:17:38,616 --> 00:17:42,036 I know you can put that to like, chat gt, but like, just apps like that or 352 00:17:42,036 --> 00:17:44,346 an Chrome extension to do whatever. 353 00:17:44,766 --> 00:17:46,566 You could build those, you know, a mobile app. 354 00:17:46,896 --> 00:17:49,266 So, um, where was I getting at? 355 00:17:49,266 --> 00:17:52,626 I, I, I guess walk me through like how it's gonna be easier with your 356 00:17:52,626 --> 00:17:55,356 platform as opposed to some of these other ones that are out there 357 00:17:55,577 --> 00:18:00,287 I think right at the origin point is a difference because many of the 358 00:18:00,287 --> 00:18:03,827 other tools, I mean even the name, vibe, coding, they're written, their 359 00:18:03,827 --> 00:18:05,012 goal is to help you write code. 360 00:18:05,912 --> 00:18:07,682 So that's right from the start. 361 00:18:07,712 --> 00:18:11,882 They're built by programmers and they're built with the intention of writing code. 362 00:18:11,912 --> 00:18:12,992 That's how they started. 363 00:18:13,652 --> 00:18:16,442 For us, I'm an entrepreneur. 364 00:18:16,472 --> 00:18:17,882 I educate entrepreneurs. 365 00:18:18,122 --> 00:18:20,282 You know, I've taught hundreds of thousands of people to start 366 00:18:20,282 --> 00:18:21,272 and build their businesses. 367 00:18:21,272 --> 00:18:21,392 I know. 368 00:18:22,202 --> 00:18:24,012 How to launch and grow a business. 369 00:18:24,574 --> 00:18:28,144 And that's the principle which we're founded on, is we're gonna make tools or 370 00:18:28,144 --> 00:18:32,464 we are, we've made tools and are improving those tools, but the whole purpose of 371 00:18:32,464 --> 00:18:37,054 them is to get an entrepreneur to where they have launched their business. 372 00:18:37,144 --> 00:18:40,024 And, um, which is a kind of a different way of looking at it. 373 00:18:40,024 --> 00:18:42,969 It's, you know, it's not about writing code, it's about building 374 00:18:43,114 --> 00:18:44,134 and launching a business. 375 00:18:45,304 --> 00:18:48,274 And then there's a bunch of the stuff we're doing on the technology side. 376 00:18:48,364 --> 00:18:52,654 So, um, uh, I'm lucky enough to have a, a data scientist in the family, 377 00:18:52,654 --> 00:18:54,454 so it's a bit of a family affair. 378 00:18:54,454 --> 00:18:56,854 I have one son who's a data scientist, another who's a, 379 00:18:57,184 --> 00:18:58,654 just brilliant at marketing. 380 00:18:58,654 --> 00:19:01,654 So it's a, uh, the three of us teaming up is pretty awesome. 381 00:19:02,164 --> 00:19:04,654 Um, and so he has some really Ry. 382 00:19:06,049 --> 00:19:11,929 Solutions to some of those technical problems and how, whether it's debugging 383 00:19:11,989 --> 00:19:17,359 code before it ever is deployed so that it doesn't ever turn out to be a nasty, 384 00:19:17,588 --> 00:19:19,489 scary error message to the end user. 385 00:19:19,789 --> 00:19:23,779 Um, to, um, we're using an ag agentic system where there are 386 00:19:23,809 --> 00:19:29,239 like multiple personas, kind of eat different separate ais with specific 387 00:19:29,239 --> 00:19:31,669 goals that all work on your behalf. 388 00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:33,709 Like a, almost like a team, um. 389 00:19:34,287 --> 00:19:38,757 And so, uh, we're architecting it to just make all that invisible. 390 00:19:38,787 --> 00:19:40,587 And all you get to do is tell them what you want. 391 00:19:41,225 --> 00:19:41,555 Yeah. 392 00:19:41,555 --> 00:19:42,935 So that's, that's all happening. 393 00:19:42,935 --> 00:19:45,515 But I think the piece I like the most is, well, the fact that you're 394 00:19:45,515 --> 00:19:46,475 like working with the family. 395 00:19:46,475 --> 00:19:49,295 That's something I wanna maybe talk about in a moment too, because 396 00:19:49,295 --> 00:19:51,215 that's super unique and really cool. 397 00:19:51,515 --> 00:19:55,055 Uh, but like, starting with the end in mind, it sounds like that's the 398 00:19:55,055 --> 00:19:58,505 biggest thing and the fact that you want to launch a business ultimately 399 00:19:59,045 --> 00:20:02,615 through this whole endeavor of vibe, coding or whatever coding it ends up. 400 00:20:03,635 --> 00:20:05,975 Or maybe not even coding, you're just developing a, a solution, right? 401 00:20:06,035 --> 00:20:06,275 Like it's a 402 00:20:06,275 --> 00:20:09,065 product, it's a solution, it's a, it's a new business potentially. 403 00:20:09,995 --> 00:20:12,335 How do you recommend people start? 404 00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:16,535 Like how, how do you plan out maybe a new business that can be 405 00:20:16,535 --> 00:20:17,960 created using this technology? 406 00:20:18,596 --> 00:20:20,756 Well, I, I advise doing it based on research. 407 00:20:20,756 --> 00:20:24,651 So there's a whole process that I teach of going out online in, 408 00:20:24,911 --> 00:20:27,611 um, discussion groups, uh, Reddit. 409 00:20:28,181 --> 00:20:32,681 Uh, Facebook groups looking can pop into school, look in school groups, and even 410 00:20:32,681 --> 00:20:36,491 like old school forums going, you know, there's still a lot of forums out there 411 00:20:36,491 --> 00:20:38,021 where people are having discussions. 412 00:20:38,471 --> 00:20:41,621 Um, and you can use Google to go like mine. 413 00:20:41,621 --> 00:20:45,701 Those, all those groups looking for problems that people in your, 414 00:20:45,701 --> 00:20:47,111 your niche or industry have. 415 00:20:47,531 --> 00:20:50,021 Um, and then you come up with solutions to those things. 416 00:20:50,021 --> 00:20:52,061 That's, that's probably the greatest way to do it. 417 00:20:52,182 --> 00:20:55,752 What are some other apps that you, maybe you or other people have used 418 00:20:55,752 --> 00:20:57,462 with Buildy that are kind of standout? 419 00:20:57,462 --> 00:20:58,392 Maybe use cases. 420 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,135 I mean, there's all kinds, anything from like funny viral stuff, um, like, um. 421 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:07,400 Uh, one of my sons built an app, uh, just the other day. 422 00:21:07,460 --> 00:21:12,110 Uh, you upload a baby picture of you and then a baby picture of your wife 423 00:21:12,110 --> 00:21:16,700 or girlfriend, and then it actually, it recreates like childhood memories 424 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:19,880 of, and it puts the two of you together and all these like playing on the 425 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,070 beach and in the playground and, yeah. 426 00:21:22,170 --> 00:21:22,710 Wow. 427 00:21:22,770 --> 00:21:23,310 Interesting. 428 00:21:23,310 --> 00:21:26,190 So, yeah, so it could be so nuanced that way. 429 00:21:26,190 --> 00:21:29,130 And I know, 'cause I was, when I was looking at your site and you 430 00:21:29,130 --> 00:21:32,520 mentioned it earlier, not only can you do that stuff, but you know, you 431 00:21:32,535 --> 00:21:37,170 can build full blown apps, websites, and sales funnels using this thing. 432 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:41,310 So I'm, I'm just thinking, you know, as just the fact that 433 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:42,780 you could build a funnel, you 434 00:21:42,915 --> 00:21:46,395 Well, and, and that's probably the, the, probably the most common, 435 00:21:46,395 --> 00:21:50,715 most, uh, powerful use of it in, in fact is not building apps. 436 00:21:50,715 --> 00:21:55,035 It's, I have an idea for my, a product I wanna sell and I can 437 00:21:55,065 --> 00:21:57,195 talk to the app and my site. 438 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,335 I, I can have my domain registered, my site up shopping cart up 439 00:22:01,365 --> 00:22:05,115 and in business selling in like under an hour, the whole process. 440 00:22:05,253 --> 00:22:06,003 Walk me through that. 441 00:22:06,003 --> 00:22:09,453 'cause I feel like that's perking some ears up right now because it is, for me, 442 00:22:09,453 --> 00:22:13,623 it's like, okay, because, I mean, funnels inherently have always been a lot of work. 443 00:22:13,623 --> 00:22:15,963 You know, of course you have guys like, you know, ClickFunnels and 444 00:22:15,963 --> 00:22:19,563 other folks have done really awesome job at creating templates and 445 00:22:19,563 --> 00:22:20,763 flows that you can kind of model. 446 00:22:21,243 --> 00:22:22,953 But I mean, you don't even need to do that. 447 00:22:22,953 --> 00:22:25,803 It seems like you have this, you could start from a blank, maybe 448 00:22:25,803 --> 00:22:27,723 some idea, you know, maybe a sketch. 449 00:22:27,723 --> 00:22:30,573 I don't know how you start off with the funnel with your, with, uh, buildy, 450 00:22:30,797 --> 00:22:32,207 I mean, there's a couple ways to do it. 451 00:22:32,267 --> 00:22:35,777 Um, I, I'm a big believer in giving it some. 452 00:22:36,137 --> 00:22:39,947 Marketing and background data on who you're serving, why you're serving them, 453 00:22:39,947 --> 00:22:41,777 so it has an understanding of that. 454 00:22:42,197 --> 00:22:44,747 Um, and it can even write really good copy. 455 00:22:44,807 --> 00:22:46,007 Like I'm, I'm shocked. 456 00:22:46,097 --> 00:22:49,367 Um, I mean that's, that's an area that, that I'm, I'm pretty good at. 457 00:22:49,427 --> 00:22:52,967 And, and I, I'm shocked at the copy that it puts out when it's writing 458 00:22:52,967 --> 00:22:56,777 sales pages and stuff, but, so I just make sure I, I arm it with 459 00:22:56,777 --> 00:22:58,517 the knowledge of who is it for? 460 00:22:58,967 --> 00:23:01,757 Um, why do they, you know, what problems does it solve? 461 00:23:01,757 --> 00:23:02,987 Why are they gonna buy it? 462 00:23:03,407 --> 00:23:07,187 And then get really specific on it, on anything that you wanna 463 00:23:07,187 --> 00:23:08,747 make sure is in that sales page. 464 00:23:08,777 --> 00:23:12,917 So if there's a particular guarantee, tell it exactly what you want. 465 00:23:13,277 --> 00:23:14,867 'cause it will make stuff up. 466 00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:18,257 Uh, and it'll make up guarantees and all kinds of things. 467 00:23:18,587 --> 00:23:19,937 Um, so be specific. 468 00:23:20,057 --> 00:23:24,017 Um, and if you're, if you spend a lot of time writing sales copy or 469 00:23:24,017 --> 00:23:26,897 maybe you work with another tool to write sales copy, you can just 470 00:23:26,897 --> 00:23:29,327 dump your copy right into the bot. 471 00:23:29,327 --> 00:23:29,837 Say, here's the. 472 00:23:30,542 --> 00:23:34,022 Here are all my headlines and body copy that I wanna put on my page 473 00:23:34,442 --> 00:23:37,112 and then, you know, give it some general information if you have 474 00:23:37,112 --> 00:23:39,992 choices of colors or design choices. 475 00:23:40,262 --> 00:23:42,452 And then just set it loose and then it will build it. 476 00:23:42,841 --> 00:23:43,501 It's so cool. 477 00:23:43,951 --> 00:23:44,821 I want to dive in. 478 00:23:44,821 --> 00:23:48,391 I mean, I, I, I wish I did this beforehand, like actually built out 479 00:23:48,391 --> 00:23:51,781 funnels and all that stuff, but I know what I'll be doing later, uh, after, 480 00:23:51,781 --> 00:23:55,291 after a couple calls because yeah, I'm looking at this and I'm just imagining, 481 00:23:55,291 --> 00:23:56,911 I'm like, wow, you can literally. 482 00:23:57,126 --> 00:24:00,156 I guess what I would probably start, if I were to think this through, 483 00:24:00,156 --> 00:24:03,516 I would probably have it architect a structure for me of all the 484 00:24:03,516 --> 00:24:06,426 components I, I'm imagining out loud, 485 00:24:06,456 --> 00:24:07,141 Y Yeah. 486 00:24:07,141 --> 00:24:07,351 Yeah. 487 00:24:07,351 --> 00:24:11,101 You can talk with building to try to work through those details or 488 00:24:11,101 --> 00:24:14,641 you can, it's probably better to show up ready to, like if you, if 489 00:24:14,641 --> 00:24:17,761 you know what you're gonna sell, you know what you want in the funnel. 490 00:24:17,821 --> 00:24:18,211 Um. 491 00:24:18,401 --> 00:24:18,691 Yeah. 492 00:24:19,336 --> 00:24:22,066 You know, and then you just give it so those explicit instructions 493 00:24:22,066 --> 00:24:22,936 and then it will build it. 494 00:24:22,941 --> 00:24:23,211 Yeah. 495 00:24:23,786 --> 00:24:24,406 Yeah. 496 00:24:24,706 --> 00:24:25,636 Oh, this is cool. 497 00:24:25,696 --> 00:24:26,146 Okay. 498 00:24:26,536 --> 00:24:30,016 I mean, this, this opens up so many possibilities and like you said, uh, 499 00:24:30,556 --> 00:24:34,576 not only can you get up something running within an hour or so, but like, 500 00:24:35,026 --> 00:24:40,126 it could be, maybe that's the V one or MVP, it could be the full blown thing. 501 00:24:40,126 --> 00:24:40,756 Who knows? 502 00:24:40,756 --> 00:24:45,706 But the point is, you now can get live and get some real time feedback way 503 00:24:45,706 --> 00:24:47,146 faster than you ever could in the past. 504 00:24:47,609 --> 00:24:49,769 Yeah, and, and the way we're designing it. 505 00:24:50,174 --> 00:24:55,964 Is that, um, this gets your business launched and, but it can still run a very, 506 00:24:56,144 --> 00:24:58,364 very large business on our infrastructure. 507 00:24:58,844 --> 00:25:00,974 And if you get to the point where you're, you know, you're 508 00:25:00,974 --> 00:25:02,384 just absolutely crushing it. 509 00:25:02,414 --> 00:25:05,774 You got millions of visitors, you know, you're like, dude, you're, then what we 510 00:25:05,774 --> 00:25:10,904 can do is we can migrate your app onto its own dedicated infrastructure, um, and 511 00:25:10,904 --> 00:25:15,524 then even open it up for your coding team to d dive in and start getting hands on. 512 00:25:16,064 --> 00:25:16,334 Um. 513 00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:18,624 So that's sort of the expansion plan. 514 00:25:18,624 --> 00:25:22,044 Once, if you start getting really big, then we'll, we can migrate 515 00:25:22,044 --> 00:25:23,119 you into your own infrastructure. 516 00:25:23,488 --> 00:25:24,028 Very cool. 517 00:25:24,028 --> 00:25:25,318 So you have full control then? 518 00:25:25,378 --> 00:25:25,708 Yeah. 519 00:25:25,708 --> 00:25:28,108 Of everything you create, you get the code and all that stuff. 520 00:25:28,108 --> 00:25:29,818 You can migrate it out if you need to. 521 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:30,909 Yeah, absolutely. 522 00:25:30,909 --> 00:25:31,119 Yeah. 523 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,129 You have full access to the source code. 524 00:25:33,489 --> 00:25:36,699 Um, and I, I mean, we're getting that a little bit technical, 525 00:25:36,699 --> 00:25:39,502 so Yeah, you can connect it up. 526 00:25:39,502 --> 00:25:42,862 There are services that you can connect to Buildy, where 527 00:25:42,862 --> 00:25:44,302 it will store all of your code. 528 00:25:44,667 --> 00:25:47,667 Uh, called GitHub is, uh, for those, if those, someone doesn't know 529 00:25:47,667 --> 00:25:51,537 what that is, but, um, but you can connect it to your GitHub and then 530 00:25:51,537 --> 00:25:53,577 it puts a copy of all of your code. 531 00:25:53,967 --> 00:25:57,207 And then any change you make to the code is also deployed into 532 00:25:57,267 --> 00:26:00,627 your own personal GitHub, so you have got a copy of everything. 533 00:26:01,172 --> 00:26:05,312 And that's, are there any other, I'm thinking of any possible technical 534 00:26:05,312 --> 00:26:09,152 hurdles that we could talk through here just to kinda have the awareness, you 535 00:26:09,152 --> 00:26:13,082 know, give, give folks the awareness of, of what they might run into. 536 00:26:13,112 --> 00:26:14,162 So GitHub's a good one. 537 00:26:14,192 --> 00:26:15,302 'cause you see that used. 538 00:26:15,542 --> 00:26:16,142 All the time. 539 00:26:16,202 --> 00:26:16,562 Yeah. 540 00:26:17,132 --> 00:26:20,612 Are there other databases or other integrations that you think would be 541 00:26:21,257 --> 00:26:21,467 W 542 00:26:21,902 --> 00:26:25,592 what we try to do is we try to take care of everything you could 543 00:26:25,592 --> 00:26:27,602 possibly want all in one place. 544 00:26:27,602 --> 00:26:33,092 So you don't need any of those outside things, but you can bring outside tools. 545 00:26:33,152 --> 00:26:34,772 Um, they're called APIs. 546 00:26:34,832 --> 00:26:38,492 And so if there's a particular, let's say you wanna use a search 547 00:26:38,492 --> 00:26:40,532 tool to search Google, for example. 548 00:26:40,952 --> 00:26:44,282 you can go find an outside service that does that and bring 549 00:26:44,282 --> 00:26:45,972 the API to build and say, Hey. 550 00:26:46,532 --> 00:26:49,832 I want to use this to search Google and then it will do that. 551 00:26:50,402 --> 00:26:55,022 Um, and this is, um, you know, a big reason why right now we're also, we're 552 00:26:55,022 --> 00:26:58,712 raising a bunch of funds, so we're, we're about to start a round of fundraising. 553 00:26:58,802 --> 00:27:02,587 Um, because what I envision for building is that even. 554 00:27:03,482 --> 00:27:05,402 There'll be no need for any integrations. 555 00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:08,072 Like, we'll have everything under one roof. 556 00:27:08,312 --> 00:27:11,552 So if you want a voice app, we take care of the voice you want. 557 00:27:11,672 --> 00:27:16,427 Um, you wanna do searching or, uh, uh, being able to grab stuff off 558 00:27:16,502 --> 00:27:18,302 the web, we just do it for you. 559 00:27:18,362 --> 00:27:24,032 Um, so that you can, you could use AI to build fully AI powered apps. 560 00:27:24,122 --> 00:27:28,592 Um, you know, text messaging, voice, whatever it could be that you wanna build. 561 00:27:29,012 --> 00:27:31,832 I want build to just handle everything for you. 562 00:27:32,397 --> 00:27:33,272 Ooh, man. 563 00:27:33,602 --> 00:27:34,592 That's what I was gonna ask. 564 00:27:34,592 --> 00:27:34,922 Yeah. 565 00:27:34,982 --> 00:27:36,332 What's the future look like? 566 00:27:36,332 --> 00:27:39,572 And that's a pretty dang awesome, powerful, powerful hub. 567 00:27:39,857 --> 00:27:40,007 yeah. 568 00:27:40,007 --> 00:27:43,517 That's the, that's our next iteration where literally, you know, there'll be 569 00:27:43,517 --> 00:27:48,587 very rare use cases where you won't have the, the building won't be able to do 570 00:27:48,587 --> 00:27:50,862 what you want right out of the box, so. 571 00:27:51,597 --> 00:27:51,617 Mm-hmm. 572 00:27:52,967 --> 00:27:56,027 Where, uh, I'm curious, 'cause you mentioned fundraising. 573 00:27:56,027 --> 00:27:56,237 Yeah. 574 00:27:56,237 --> 00:27:59,477 So this is, this is kind of different than stuff you've, 'cause you 575 00:27:59,477 --> 00:28:03,017 know, we, we've been in the same kind of vein, digital marketing. 576 00:28:03,047 --> 00:28:03,137 Um. 577 00:28:03,457 --> 00:28:05,167 Coaching expert kind of stuff. 578 00:28:05,167 --> 00:28:08,407 And it's definitely a whole different world than, uh, fundraising, 579 00:28:08,467 --> 00:28:09,937 you know, and, and capital. 580 00:28:09,967 --> 00:28:12,457 'cause you know, I've, I've worked with some companies now and that, and I 581 00:28:12,457 --> 00:28:14,437 could see how things operate differently 582 00:28:14,852 --> 00:28:17,762 I've been a bootstrap entrepreneur all these years. 583 00:28:17,822 --> 00:28:22,322 Um, you know, only using my own capital and, um, you know, and, 584 00:28:22,322 --> 00:28:25,652 and basically building businesses on a micro budget and then scaling 585 00:28:25,652 --> 00:28:27,392 'em off their profit basically. 586 00:28:27,482 --> 00:28:31,592 Um, and, um, and right now. 587 00:28:31,997 --> 00:28:33,107 I need to move fast. 588 00:28:33,257 --> 00:28:38,147 And, um, so in order to move fast and to le to get enough 589 00:28:38,147 --> 00:28:41,657 leverage to grow fast enough, um, I'm bringing in outside capital. 590 00:28:41,717 --> 00:28:42,017 Yeah. 591 00:28:42,017 --> 00:28:42,407 So, 592 00:28:42,737 --> 00:28:43,187 Awesome. 593 00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:47,328 I wanna be the, one of the, uh, you know, looking at these others, um, 594 00:28:47,358 --> 00:28:51,348 we just launched, like, we literally just opened the doors to, uh, version 595 00:28:51,348 --> 00:28:55,278 one of Buildy, um, uh, just last week, 596 00:28:55,668 --> 00:28:56,358 Oh, was it last? 597 00:28:56,508 --> 00:28:57,533 I didn't realize it was that. 598 00:28:58,183 --> 00:28:58,903 we just did it. 599 00:28:58,903 --> 00:29:01,153 It's been, um, uh, it's been quite something. 600 00:29:01,153 --> 00:29:03,523 So, uh, we just launched version one. 601 00:29:03,583 --> 00:29:08,743 Um, and it is awesome, uh, but to make it like, have everything I want 602 00:29:08,743 --> 00:29:12,613 in it, that as we're talking about it definitely is, and I wanna do it fast. 603 00:29:12,613 --> 00:29:13,993 So takes a bit of capital. 604 00:29:14,638 --> 00:29:15,328 Absolutely. 605 00:29:15,418 --> 00:29:18,508 And I think it, it shows like when you know how to dial in a 606 00:29:18,508 --> 00:29:21,718 business, like you said, scaling with the profits of a company. 607 00:29:21,718 --> 00:29:23,008 It's what I've always done too. 608 00:29:23,578 --> 00:29:25,978 But then when you get some capital, as long as you can control the, 609 00:29:26,068 --> 00:29:29,608 the, the direction of the company and you know, you can, you can 610 00:29:29,608 --> 00:29:30,958 actually steer the ship still. 611 00:29:31,318 --> 00:29:32,638 I mean, you're gonna be dangerous, 612 00:29:33,148 --> 00:29:36,208 assuming we accomplished my mission and we crossed that chasm I was talking 613 00:29:36,208 --> 00:29:39,598 about where we really do, um, uh, um. 614 00:29:40,393 --> 00:29:42,463 Make this so that anyone, and that's my goal. 615 00:29:42,463 --> 00:29:45,763 Like someone who, maybe not even a business owner, a, a kid that could 616 00:29:45,943 --> 00:29:49,453 show up on Buildy and say, Hey, I want an app that helps me with my homework, 617 00:29:49,783 --> 00:29:51,463 and they could build it, you know? 618 00:29:51,988 --> 00:29:53,278 that's where we're going. 619 00:29:53,338 --> 00:29:55,048 Um, and I need to get there fast. 620 00:29:55,108 --> 00:29:58,708 And, uh, um, you know, like there's another company, uh, 621 00:29:58,738 --> 00:30:00,178 in the vibe coding space. 622 00:30:00,508 --> 00:30:03,988 Um, I think they're at about $2 million in annual recurring revenue. 623 00:30:04,018 --> 00:30:07,318 They just raised, I think, 11 million bucks. 624 00:30:07,618 --> 00:30:10,018 At a hundred million dollars valuation, which is nuts. 625 00:30:10,108 --> 00:30:13,738 And that's where, yeah, it's, it's such, and you're right, speed is, it's all 626 00:30:13,738 --> 00:30:17,818 about speed right now, of course, like we're in this very early stage of AI 627 00:30:17,818 --> 00:30:19,438 where most people don't understand it. 628 00:30:19,438 --> 00:30:22,228 They're for whatever reason, or they're maybe not in it every day, 629 00:30:22,288 --> 00:30:24,268 that's fine, but it will happen. 630 00:30:24,268 --> 00:30:28,648 You know, more people are, every day are coming, getting more privy to what AI 631 00:30:28,648 --> 00:30:31,193 can do, what it is, and, uh, you know. 632 00:30:32,173 --> 00:30:35,443 I feel like the market, you know, business owners want to be on the leading edge 633 00:30:35,473 --> 00:30:38,413 of things, so, which is why I wanted to chat with you about this topic 634 00:30:38,803 --> 00:30:40,753 because it is such a great opportunity. 635 00:30:40,753 --> 00:30:44,923 This vibe coding or whatever label it adopts, I think it will change too. 636 00:30:44,923 --> 00:30:47,233 I agree with you on that whole vibe coding label, 637 00:30:47,532 --> 00:30:49,152 Yeah, maybe we'll call it AI building. 638 00:30:49,152 --> 00:30:49,572 I don't know. 639 00:30:49,572 --> 00:30:51,552 I gotta, I gotta come up with some name for it. 640 00:30:51,557 --> 00:30:52,362 But, uh, besides. 641 00:30:53,352 --> 00:30:58,032 Yeah, because I mean, you even say on here, on, on the website, it says the 642 00:30:58,032 --> 00:31:00,132 fastest, fastest way to build software. 643 00:31:00,192 --> 00:31:04,452 So, you know, it's entrepreneurs I know are looking for speed, 644 00:31:04,512 --> 00:31:05,982 timeliness of the market. 645 00:31:06,042 --> 00:31:08,562 Um, it'd be kind of cool if there was like even a research 646 00:31:08,562 --> 00:31:10,617 thing, uh, built into it somehow. 647 00:31:11,322 --> 00:31:14,832 Um, just thinking out loud, just to help out, you know, just like, 648 00:31:14,832 --> 00:31:16,152 Hey, did you think of doing this? 649 00:31:16,152 --> 00:31:19,272 And then it's like a little, uh, like a little bubble, a light 650 00:31:19,272 --> 00:31:20,202 bulb or something in the corner. 651 00:31:20,307 --> 00:31:21,717 Well, it's funny you say that. 652 00:31:21,777 --> 00:31:27,957 My, my data scientist, uh, son ha, he, he and I were just talking last night and 653 00:31:27,957 --> 00:31:30,682 he's, um, he, he pitched me on idea of. 654 00:31:31,347 --> 00:31:37,197 Having an a, a research agent that will go search almost kind of like, um, how 655 00:31:37,197 --> 00:31:41,157 Deep Research works with, with chat GPT, but designed specifically to do 656 00:31:41,157 --> 00:31:43,047 research for what you're about to build. 657 00:31:43,377 --> 00:31:45,027 That's, uh, it's very in line. 658 00:31:45,027 --> 00:31:46,227 I think your son's brilliant. 659 00:31:46,227 --> 00:31:47,097 So yeah, you should do that. 660 00:31:47,369 --> 00:31:49,109 because I was, I was like, I'm not sure. 661 00:31:49,109 --> 00:31:50,009 I was like, ah, I don't know. 662 00:31:50,009 --> 00:31:51,479 Are people really gonna use that? 663 00:31:51,479 --> 00:31:53,129 And now hearing it from you. 664 00:31:53,189 --> 00:31:55,554 I, I, yeah, he'll be happy to hear. 665 00:31:55,574 --> 00:31:56,024 it at least. 666 00:31:56,146 --> 00:31:59,476 Yeah, I mean, I just think of, because it goes back to my previous question about 667 00:31:59,476 --> 00:32:04,186 how do you, how do you direct or advise people to start and you know, like some 668 00:32:04,186 --> 00:32:05,956 people just don't know where to start. 669 00:32:05,956 --> 00:32:06,781 I think that's the biggest thing. 670 00:32:07,541 --> 00:32:10,846 But then when you start to give 'em ideas and little breadcrumbs of what 671 00:32:10,846 --> 00:32:15,316 people might be looking for online in research groups, um, how to solve 672 00:32:15,316 --> 00:32:19,006 problems in their current business maybe, or their, or their clients. 673 00:32:19,636 --> 00:32:21,436 It just takes a few ideas. 674 00:32:21,436 --> 00:32:25,966 And then I think the light bulbs start turning on, on how AI or building in 675 00:32:25,966 --> 00:32:29,026 this case can be used and leveraged for like all sorts of things. 676 00:32:29,612 --> 00:32:33,122 Yeah, and one of the things that it's kind of, it's awesome, but a problem at the 677 00:32:33,122 --> 00:32:35,102 same time is that build builds everything. 678 00:32:35,102 --> 00:32:35,162 So. 679 00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:35,731 Right. 680 00:32:35,896 --> 00:32:39,226 You know, and that's not an easy marketing message to try to put out there. 681 00:32:39,226 --> 00:32:39,526 Right? 682 00:32:39,526 --> 00:32:42,256 But, but even like, let's say, I don't know, let's say you're 683 00:32:42,256 --> 00:32:44,266 hand making mugs at home, right? 684 00:32:44,266 --> 00:32:49,696 You're a crafty, um, housewife, uh, who just loves to do ceramics and make stuff. 685 00:32:49,786 --> 00:32:53,116 And if you wanna sell something on the internet, you know, I mean, I 686 00:32:53,116 --> 00:32:57,646 know Shopify has made it easy, but it's still a bit intimidating to get 687 00:32:57,646 --> 00:32:59,536 your stuff launched and out there. 688 00:33:00,016 --> 00:33:03,766 Um, but now you can just go to Buildy and say, Hey, here's a picture of my mug. 689 00:33:04,801 --> 00:33:06,271 Here's how much I wanna charge for it. 690 00:33:06,361 --> 00:33:08,491 Launch my website and it's done. 691 00:33:08,933 --> 00:33:10,913 And then, yeah, and that could be shared. 692 00:33:10,913 --> 00:33:13,493 However, you know, of course there's marketing and all that, but that's, 693 00:33:13,523 --> 00:33:17,153 I mean, the fact is now you have a destination, a place of your own that 694 00:33:17,153 --> 00:33:22,343 you can own, you know, your own, your own platform or even build your mug platform 695 00:33:22,343 --> 00:33:26,603 if you wanted to, to be, you know, the new version of, uh, Shopify in a way. 696 00:33:27,158 --> 00:33:27,668 There you go. 697 00:33:27,668 --> 00:33:27,948 There you go. 698 00:33:28,013 --> 00:33:28,793 There's all sorts of ways. 699 00:33:29,103 --> 00:33:33,993 You know, and I'm shocked it, I, I heard a stat, uh, last week that 700 00:33:34,623 --> 00:33:40,143 it was 20, a high, 20 something percent, may I say 27%, um, of 701 00:33:40,143 --> 00:33:41,853 businesses still don't have a website. 702 00:33:42,061 --> 00:33:42,901 I did not know that. 703 00:33:42,961 --> 00:33:43,831 That's nuts. 704 00:33:43,861 --> 00:33:44,216 Yeah, 705 00:33:44,216 --> 00:33:44,456 yeah. 706 00:33:44,456 --> 00:33:46,376 Of small businesses, I guess I should say. 707 00:33:46,376 --> 00:33:46,946 But yeah. 708 00:33:47,131 --> 00:33:51,901 So if anyone watching listening, just, just go to Buildy, make your website. 709 00:33:51,901 --> 00:33:54,061 At least, even if it's one pager, it'll be done. 710 00:33:54,157 --> 00:33:55,177 So that is my goal. 711 00:33:55,177 --> 00:34:00,187 I, I wanna empower millions of entrepreneurs to go from an idea in 712 00:34:00,187 --> 00:34:06,187 their mind to something deployed live and ready to go in, you know, in, in minutes. 713 00:34:06,307 --> 00:34:08,052 That, that's, that's my goal. 714 00:34:08,583 --> 00:34:10,113 What do you think will be achieved? 715 00:34:11,043 --> 00:34:13,983 People, people need to, I feel like with AI you need to have 716 00:34:13,983 --> 00:34:16,803 your hands on AI and experiment. 717 00:34:16,803 --> 00:34:18,663 So like what would you tell folks? 718 00:34:18,663 --> 00:34:22,293 Like, what's the aha moment or what's that outside of just, Hey, they're 719 00:34:22,293 --> 00:34:25,773 gonna, you're gonna be like, make a new piece of software or grow a business. 720 00:34:25,773 --> 00:34:30,603 But I feel like there's a deeper thing of that shifts in someone when they start 721 00:34:30,603 --> 00:34:32,703 to create something of their own with ai. 722 00:34:33,273 --> 00:34:37,353 you know, for me it's being able to take things that are complicated and difficult 723 00:34:37,353 --> 00:34:40,923 and challenging to do otherwise, and it just makes it easier, you know, like, 724 00:34:41,613 --> 00:34:44,553 um, that app I'm build, I'm building an app for my customers right now. 725 00:34:44,703 --> 00:34:49,953 Um, in fact, boy, I dunno if I, it's not done, so I dunno if I wanna show it, but, 726 00:34:50,221 --> 00:34:50,511 It's. 727 00:34:51,191 --> 00:34:52,961 it took a manual process, right? 728 00:34:52,961 --> 00:34:56,141 Uh, this manual process of going to Google. 729 00:34:56,531 --> 00:34:59,081 Um, and there's five specific search phrases. 730 00:34:59,156 --> 00:35:01,871 One to search Facebook groups, one to search Reddit. 731 00:35:02,576 --> 00:35:06,656 Forums and discussion groups and, uh, or, and school was one of them too. 732 00:35:07,256 --> 00:35:08,966 Um, and you have to do that by hand. 733 00:35:09,236 --> 00:35:12,296 So you search each one by hand, you scan the results. 734 00:35:12,296 --> 00:35:16,136 You look for unique problems that you might find people discussing 735 00:35:16,136 --> 00:35:19,286 that they are frustrated about, and you start to make a list. 736 00:35:19,901 --> 00:35:22,451 For years, I've taught this process manually. 737 00:35:22,691 --> 00:35:27,071 Um, and then it, uh, it is funny that I didn't even think of it. 738 00:35:27,131 --> 00:35:30,791 One of the customers said, well, why don't you build an app to do this? 739 00:35:30,851 --> 00:35:33,491 It's like, oh yeah, maybe I should. 740 00:35:34,031 --> 00:35:40,331 Um, so, uh, uh, but it takes something that would've been incredibly expensive 741 00:35:40,331 --> 00:35:42,166 to try to go hire a programmer. 742 00:35:43,316 --> 00:35:44,516 To do this. 743 00:35:44,546 --> 00:35:48,356 And you could imagine like if you rewind a year or two ago, if you were gonna 744 00:35:48,356 --> 00:35:52,766 hire a good programmer to go build a tool like this, it's gonna take months 745 00:35:52,978 --> 00:35:53,518 Tons of money. 746 00:35:54,088 --> 00:35:54,748 a lot of money. 747 00:35:54,838 --> 00:35:55,168 Yeah. 748 00:35:55,618 --> 00:36:00,688 And here in like an afternoon, I've took, taken that idea and, and it 749 00:36:00,688 --> 00:36:04,528 will be, I think I'm probably one prompt away from launching this tool. 750 00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:06,072 See, there's something you just said there. 751 00:36:06,072 --> 00:36:08,787 You're only one prompt away from Do. 752 00:36:12,744 --> 00:36:13,194 You're right. 753 00:36:13,194 --> 00:36:18,804 Like actually, and, and I think like to wrap a bow around, at least this concept 754 00:36:18,804 --> 00:36:20,994 is like, it's, it's the prompting. 755 00:36:20,994 --> 00:36:24,414 It's, it's your, you gotta get out there and just actually do it, you know? 756 00:36:24,414 --> 00:36:28,764 And then, and then you start to see what's possible, what comes to life of your ideas 757 00:36:28,976 --> 00:36:31,706 Well, and the beauty of this is you don't have to worry about making a 758 00:36:31,706 --> 00:36:36,476 mistake because let's say you sat down and you spent 10 minutes building an 759 00:36:36,476 --> 00:36:37,976 app, and then it doesn't come out right? 760 00:36:38,636 --> 00:36:41,756 You get you, you haven't lost anything but 10 minutes of time 761 00:36:41,756 --> 00:36:43,586 and you've learned in that process. 762 00:36:43,946 --> 00:36:46,646 So I think the important thing is, is just to start using it. 763 00:36:46,646 --> 00:36:48,326 Whether you use an app like mine or another. 764 00:36:49,136 --> 00:36:51,056 Um, it isn't like the old days, right. 765 00:36:51,056 --> 00:36:55,286 Have to spend months and like 10 or 20 grand to then find 766 00:36:55,286 --> 00:36:56,876 out my app sucks, you know? 767 00:36:57,461 --> 00:36:57,821 Right. 768 00:36:57,911 --> 00:37:01,901 You do a quick launch to maybe a beta group in an afternoon if you. 769 00:37:02,942 --> 00:37:03,662 yeah, exactly. 770 00:37:03,662 --> 00:37:05,882 For literally like a couple of dollars. 771 00:37:05,942 --> 00:37:09,752 Uh, you could, you now could deploy and test and find out, oh, maybe my 772 00:37:09,752 --> 00:37:12,842 idea wasn't so good, and then you move on to the next one, and you just keep 773 00:37:12,842 --> 00:37:15,212 going until you find that one that 774 00:37:15,424 --> 00:37:15,962 That's wild. 775 00:37:16,142 --> 00:37:16,862 It's crazy. 776 00:37:16,892 --> 00:37:20,372 It's it, it is a wild time to be alive right now, especially if you have a 777 00:37:20,372 --> 00:37:24,542 little bit of background in business, you know, and in marketing that helps. 778 00:37:24,542 --> 00:37:27,902 Of course, maybe you have an existing audience or platform 779 00:37:27,902 --> 00:37:28,742 for distribution, like. 780 00:37:29,747 --> 00:37:31,667 Then just start thinking of what's possible. 781 00:37:31,667 --> 00:37:33,797 Like you don't need a massive audience either. 782 00:37:33,857 --> 00:37:37,187 It's just you're, start with your network, start solving problems, right, 783 00:37:37,187 --> 00:37:41,087 and then put it out there, get feedback, and that that could become a business 784 00:37:41,087 --> 00:37:44,747 that could generate revenue, maybe recurring high ticket, look, whatever. 785 00:37:44,747 --> 00:37:44,897 I 786 00:37:45,017 --> 00:37:47,147 Well, I, I could give you a perfect example. 787 00:37:47,357 --> 00:37:50,567 So, um, he actually was a case study for me. 788 00:37:50,627 --> 00:37:55,097 We just did a three day challenge, um, a week or two ago, and he was a case study 789 00:37:55,097 --> 00:37:57,677 I that helped me out during the challenge. 790 00:37:58,067 --> 00:38:02,567 And his thing started out because his wife is a nurse and she was complaining 791 00:38:02,567 --> 00:38:07,127 to him about the, how, how much of a hassle it was studying, I guess. 792 00:38:07,127 --> 00:38:08,687 They do a lot of study. 793 00:38:09,017 --> 00:38:13,697 They have to do flashcards and, and, you know, in prepping for trying 794 00:38:13,697 --> 00:38:15,767 to pass the one big final test. 795 00:38:16,277 --> 00:38:22,907 Um, so he built her an app, it, the, the weekly, um, like study sessions. 796 00:38:22,907 --> 00:38:27,617 So she just uploads the PDF of what they're studying that week and it makes 797 00:38:27,617 --> 00:38:32,327 a whole quiz for her, a practice quiz for her to just go through and practice. 798 00:38:32,357 --> 00:38:34,517 And if, and if she gets an answer wrong, it tells her where 799 00:38:34,517 --> 00:38:35,867 in the materials to go look. 800 00:38:36,407 --> 00:38:36,977 Um. 801 00:38:38,162 --> 00:38:40,742 And, but that was just because he was trying to help his wife solve a 802 00:38:40,742 --> 00:38:43,652 problem, and then she told some of her friends and then all, now all of 803 00:38:43,652 --> 00:38:45,362 a sudden he's got users, you know? 804 00:38:45,807 --> 00:38:49,502 An unintended business popped up outta it, but, but it's a need. 805 00:38:49,502 --> 00:38:53,372 I mean, yeah, I mean, I know actually a few other companies that do test prep. 806 00:38:53,672 --> 00:38:57,147 It's a huge business just depending on the, the space you're in. 807 00:38:57,147 --> 00:38:57,227 So. 808 00:38:58,217 --> 00:39:02,327 Yeah, that's a perfect example because I, I think that's the thing, and maybe 809 00:39:02,747 --> 00:39:06,437 going, going outta here, you know, anyone watching, listening, like just go. 810 00:39:06,707 --> 00:39:10,817 I mean, maybe go to a chat GBT and just start throwing some ideas and say kind 811 00:39:10,817 --> 00:39:14,717 of roughly what you you want to do and the tech that you can use to build it 812 00:39:15,227 --> 00:39:18,227 and have it maybe generate some ideas for you just to get the wheels spin in. 813 00:39:18,317 --> 00:39:20,327 That's usually where I start at least. 814 00:39:20,942 --> 00:39:22,142 And yeah, you never know. 815 00:39:22,142 --> 00:39:23,222 Start with your own problems. 816 00:39:23,222 --> 00:39:24,512 Start with your family's problems. 817 00:39:24,872 --> 00:39:28,142 You know, like you're gonna be able to get those rich details more so 818 00:39:28,142 --> 00:39:31,232 than if you're just guessing of someone else's problems out there. 819 00:39:31,763 --> 00:39:31,943 Yeah. 820 00:39:31,943 --> 00:39:35,513 And you know, and I'm always a fan of starting a business in, uh, an area 821 00:39:35,513 --> 00:39:37,223 that you at least are interested in. 822 00:39:37,313 --> 00:39:40,493 You know, if you're, um, I know some people will say, oh, start a business 823 00:39:40,493 --> 00:39:41,693 in something you don't care about. 824 00:39:42,023 --> 00:39:44,303 I don't believe that's good advice personally, but. 825 00:39:44,823 --> 00:39:47,325 Um, getting started is the easiest part. 826 00:39:47,715 --> 00:39:51,675 It's that journey that happens afterwards of problem solving and getting customers 827 00:39:51,675 --> 00:39:53,205 and persisting through all that. 828 00:39:53,475 --> 00:39:56,235 And if you don't, at least like the business that you have built 829 00:39:56,235 --> 00:39:59,205 and the customers that you serve, I don't think you'll succeed. 830 00:39:59,502 --> 00:40:00,042 I agree. 831 00:40:00,342 --> 00:40:03,252 And that's the, it sounds like some of your principles that you've carried 832 00:40:03,252 --> 00:40:05,502 over from, you know, from years now. 833 00:40:05,862 --> 00:40:08,307 It still applies here, and I agree with that because. 834 00:40:09,252 --> 00:40:10,122 Things are changing. 835 00:40:10,122 --> 00:40:10,392 You know? 836 00:40:10,392 --> 00:40:14,322 Of course more people will get privy on what to build and all these things, 837 00:40:14,322 --> 00:40:17,802 but yeah, when you solve something for yourself and something that you truly 838 00:40:17,802 --> 00:40:21,522 can go deep on, I think that's where now you got some longevity and you 839 00:40:21,522 --> 00:40:25,662 kind of can create a moat around what you're building as well and a community. 840 00:40:26,126 --> 00:40:26,876 Has been great, bill. 841 00:40:26,876 --> 00:40:29,906 So gimme a, gimme the scoop, exactly where they should go. 842 00:40:29,936 --> 00:40:31,076 Um, to sign up. 843 00:40:31,076 --> 00:40:31,796 Go use building. 844 00:40:31,946 --> 00:40:32,186 Yeah, 845 00:40:32,981 --> 00:40:35,291 Yeah, so just go to build ai. 846 00:40:35,291 --> 00:40:38,321 So it's just build with a y, build ai. 847 00:40:38,711 --> 00:40:41,861 Um, there'll be a chat box there, you chat with build, tell it what 848 00:40:41,861 --> 00:40:43,931 you want, um, and it will build it. 849 00:40:44,576 --> 00:40:45,146 That's cool. 850 00:40:45,236 --> 00:40:46,766 And also you're on YouTube and stuff. 851 00:40:46,766 --> 00:40:48,086 I know you're doing some cool stuff there. 852 00:40:48,101 --> 00:40:48,851 Oh, yeah, yeah. 853 00:40:48,896 --> 00:40:52,361 I, I have a weekly show on YouTube and, um, you know, we're putting out 854 00:40:52,361 --> 00:40:54,311 great content just for entrepreneurs. 855 00:40:54,311 --> 00:40:58,061 So if you want some advice on starting or growing a business 856 00:40:58,061 --> 00:41:01,631 online, especially using ai, then, um, yeah, check me out on YouTube. 857 00:41:02,096 --> 00:41:02,576 Awesome. 858 00:41:02,636 --> 00:41:02,996 Bill. 859 00:41:03,056 --> 00:41:06,026 Happy we did this, you know, over a decade of knowing each 860 00:41:06,026 --> 00:41:07,526 other and, and, uh, hanging out. 861 00:41:07,526 --> 00:41:10,851 So appreciate you man, and can't wait to jump into building myself too. 862 00:41:11,621 --> 00:41:12,431 Let's do this again. 863 00:41:12,431 --> 00:41:14,171 In, uh, not 12 years though. 864 00:41:14,981 --> 00:41:15,536 Yeah, yeah. 865 00:41:15,806 --> 00:41:17,606 Well go some capital, go have some fun. 866 00:41:17,606 --> 00:41:19,226 We'll build apps together and we'll talk about it. 867 00:41:19,316 --> 00:41:19,556 So 868 00:41:19,976 --> 00:41:20,426 Awesome. 869 00:41:21,116 --> 00:41:21,266 man. 870 00:41:22,226 --> 00:41:22,556 You too. 871 00:41:22,556 --> 00:41:23,036 See ya.