Most men have never gone through the step that actually turns a boy into a man.
Speaker:The step where he separates from his mother and steps into his own authority.
Speaker:When that step is missing, a man stays stunted.
Speaker:His emotional spiritual development stays standard.
Speaker:He's not able to form healthy and deep partnership, to embody true devotion,
Speaker:true commitment, and true presence.
Speaker:But this goes even deeper.
Speaker:He keeps repeating patterns he cannot see.
Speaker:A man who's still seeking the emotional approval of his mother, who feels guilty
Speaker:of disappointing her, who shapes his choices around his mother's expectations.
Speaker:Such a man simply cannot be in his true power.
Speaker:He cannot be fully available for a relationship.
Speaker:He cannot be fully committed.
Speaker:He cannot lead with clarity.
Speaker:He cannot embody the grounded presence required for real intimacy.
Speaker:In this episode, we go beyond just exploring what the
Speaker:mother wound in men truly is.
Speaker:We go into the initiation that must occur for a man to evolve, and
Speaker:how he can compensate for it now.
Speaker:There is a real path forward.
Speaker:We'll look at how the mother wound blocks love, blocks a man's power,
Speaker:his capacity to show up fully, and also what can be done to restore it.
Speaker:And for the women listening, I speak to you as well in this episode.
Speaker:Later.
Speaker:In this episode, I will guide you through what is actually
Speaker:happening when you find yourself caught between him and his mother.
Speaker:You will understand the dynamic, the pressure you feel, and what
Speaker:choices you genuinely have.
Speaker:Welcome to the Masculine and Feminine Dynamics podcast.
Speaker:My name is Lorin Krenn, and I'm a coach, author, and hypnotherapist.
Speaker:I help you to understand masculine and feminine dynamics at the deepest level.
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Speaker:To sum up the mother wound in one practical sentence, it is the emotional
Speaker:inheritance a boy receives when his mother over relies on him for
Speaker:emotional stability or and identity.
Speaker:When the father's presence is missing altogether or inconsistent,
Speaker:the boy often becomes the emotional anchor of the mother.
Speaker:He learns early on that he receives approval, he receives validation
Speaker:for caretaking, for his mother's feelings rather than following his
Speaker:own impulse, becoming or feeling like a secure man, forming his identity
Speaker:as a man, carving his path, his direction, his vision, his character.
Speaker:He learns from an early age that harmony is more important than truth.
Speaker:His deepest inner impulse, intuition, and truth.
Speaker:That, he learns that soothing a woman is more important than
Speaker:staying rooted in himself.
Speaker:This creates a man who is sensitive, but unrooted, ungrounded, kind,
Speaker:but directionless, present, yet pulled away from his center,
Speaker:which isn't true presence.
Speaker:This early pattern shapes everything he does as an adult, including the way
Speaker:he shows up in love, in leadership, in decision making, and in intimacy.
Speaker:And we have to be very mindful here and distinguish, because some of you might
Speaker:listen to this and think, what is wrong with wanting to soothe or please a woman?
Speaker:There's nothing wrong with being genuinely there for a woman,
Speaker:and helping a woman in need.
Speaker:In fact, that's beautiful supporting, and all of that.
Speaker:It's just when it's tied to receiving approval, receiving validation, and
Speaker:forms a man's identity, then it's not coming from his deeper presence or truth.
Speaker:It's coming from a deeper sense of pain and being stuck and
Speaker:emotionally and spiritually stunted.
Speaker:But let's go even deeper.
Speaker:Ancient cultures understood something that modern society has forgotten.
Speaker:A boy must be separated from the mother and guided into his
Speaker:own and deepest power by men.
Speaker:By one or more healthy masculine role models.
Speaker:The first stage of initiation in ancient cultures was always a form of, we
Speaker:can call it symbolic death, the death of the boy, so the man could emerge.
Speaker:There is a threshold that had to be crossed here, and an internal
Speaker:shift from dependency and the strong attachment to the mother to sovereignty.
Speaker:It's not that a man then no longer cares about his mother
Speaker:or never speaks to her again.
Speaker:It's that his attachment to her shifts from boy, mother, to man who honors
Speaker:his biological mother, but walks his own path and truth without placing his
Speaker:mother on a pedestal, without needing his mother for emotional approval
Speaker:or important decisions in his life.
Speaker:Modern society has removed that initiation.
Speaker:So I'm not doing mother blaming here.
Speaker:it's challenging.
Speaker:It's challenging for the mother, it's challenging for the son.
Speaker:It's not really anyone's fault.
Speaker:It's not like the matter consciously would do anything along those lines.
Speaker:It's more that there this huge lack of initiation for men and healthy
Speaker:masculine role models and fathers who are truly present, grounded and
Speaker:embodi healthy, masculine energy is naturally leading to this.
Speaker:And when this initiation disappears, a man's psyche remains tied to
Speaker:his mother, his identity as a man.
Speaker:So I'm not saying he's a boy because I'm shaming man.
Speaker:Quite literally the boy in him is still alive, unchallenged, untested,
Speaker:uninitiated, never having been separate, separated from his mother
Speaker:to form his own identity, to form his own path, and then step into a very
Speaker:different mature relationship with her.
Speaker:One that is very different than a son and a mother.
Speaker:A son needs his mother's approval and her her soothing.
Speaker:A man should not need any of that.
Speaker:When a man is calling his mother in need and collapsing onto her
Speaker:or asking her about important decisions in his life, then nine
Speaker:out of 10 times it's a mother wound.
Speaker:The only time where there's an exception is if the mother is incredibly
Speaker:at a high level of consciousness embodied, grounded in her power,
Speaker:and can actually be a kind of elder.
Speaker:That is different, but that is not the case for most people.
Speaker:That will be a unique example, and that is why I say nothing is black and white.
Speaker:But still, even if that were the case, a man shouldn't rely on his mother.
Speaker:He should trust and be able to make decisions from his own core and own truth.
Speaker:Otherwise, he will forever remain stunted.
Speaker:And this boyish energy of the boy who is not, it's, it's not his fault,
Speaker:who has never been initiated into a man shows up in very real ways.
Speaker:It appears as a fear of disappointing women, an inability to say
Speaker:no, an addiction to approval specifically from the feminine,
Speaker:an emotional collapse in conflict.
Speaker:Nice guy, people pleasing patterns, emotional avoidance.
Speaker:Passitivity, the longing to be endlessly mothered and nourished,
Speaker:and only receiving soft and perfect comforting, all engulfing love rather
Speaker:than being met in truth and honesty.
Speaker:And on the opposite side of the spectrum, it shows up as chasing
Speaker:women, seeking validation, pursuing intensity, or trying to win the love he
Speaker:never fully received from the mother.
Speaker:Both expressions come from the same wound, both come from the boy who never
Speaker:crossed the threshold into manhood.
Speaker:In mythology and tribal tradition, the mother held the child close, but
Speaker:she also understood that at a specific moment, the child must leave her orbit.
Speaker:She allowed the elders to take him, and it was the opposite of
Speaker:cruelty, it was actually protection.
Speaker:Because without that necessary separation and identity, forming with healthy
Speaker:masculine role models, the boy never learns to face discomfort, uncertainty,
Speaker:challenge, or the kind of raw intensity that comes with masculine energy, creating
Speaker:and building and carving your path.
Speaker:Moving through obstacles, looking at the world and saying, okay,
Speaker:certain things might be challenging, but I'm going to find a way.
Speaker:Developing a strong, grounded spine that can hold a compassionate heart.
Speaker:Without this confrontation, necessary healthy confrontation with masculine
Speaker:energy that asks him to step up, he never strengthens his intuition.
Speaker:His inner compass remains weak.
Speaker:He becomes dependent on external emotional validation instead of relying
Speaker:on the deeper knowing that only emerges through test, challenge, and initiation.
Speaker:And, good example here is also men who've put a lot of relationships
Speaker:with women, but not with other men.
Speaker:That is a very telltale sign often that a man is seeking that nourishing energy
Speaker:he most likely either didn't receive or overly relied on in his childhood.
Speaker:Now he's perpetuating that he's afraid of really being with other
Speaker:men who don't pamper to his needs.
Speaker:And I'm not saying that women do that.
Speaker:I'm not.
Speaker:It's like it's a man to man, warrior to warrior thing.
Speaker:It's, it's something archaic.
Speaker:It's something really deep.
Speaker:It's a woman's energy, by definition, is much more nourishing and compassionate.
Speaker:It doesn't mean that the man is, is not compassionate, but there is a challenge,
Speaker:a warrior spirit in it that a man can only ever truly receive from another man.
Speaker:It is almost like as long as a man is in an unhealthy attachment with his
Speaker:mother and hasn't experienced and walked through this threshold, he cannot access
Speaker:the deeper voice inside him that tells him where to go and who to become.
Speaker:He needs to separate emotionally from the mother to cross symbolically into manhood.
Speaker:This is not done by just moving out of the house.
Speaker:This is not done by creating his own life.
Speaker:It's even not done by marrying a woman, creating his own family,
Speaker:because energetically, emotionally, and spiritually, it can still remain that same
Speaker:attachment, but now in a different form.
Speaker:I have worked with a lot of men who are extremely powerful,
Speaker:but this was the culprit.
Speaker:This was the underlying issue in their life that didn't allow them
Speaker:to truly commit and truly choose their divine feminine counterpart,
Speaker:to truly show up for their family.
Speaker:The matter was still so entangled, so enmeshed that there was just no space and
Speaker:no access to that deeper voice and truth.
Speaker:And it can impact all areas, but specifically intimate relationship
Speaker:when it comes to devotion and commitment, showing up fully as a
Speaker:man, that's where you see it the most.
Speaker:Some men might still become successful in business, successful
Speaker:in the external world, but in intimacy will always show up.
Speaker:But for other men, it can be in both.
Speaker:It can also mean that they never reach as far as they could in, in business
Speaker:or their worldly success and their abundance, because they're unable to
Speaker:make strong, bold, powerful decisions.
Speaker:But that's not always the case In intimacy and relationship with
Speaker:women always, it shows up 100%.
Speaker:It's exposed.
Speaker:That's why I'm so passionate about this work.
Speaker:In other areas, it can still be hidden, but it might also show up
Speaker:strongly in other areas and stand a man's growth and expansion.
Speaker:And this ties into how it blocks a man's power, because power is the
Speaker:ability to act from one's core.
Speaker:A man stuck in the mother wound cannot take bold action.
Speaker:A man needs to be able to make decisions assertively, decisively.
Speaker:It doesn't mean he needs to do it on the spot and be impulsive about them.
Speaker:There will be another challenge, but to be able to say, this is who I am,
Speaker:this is what I want, without needing external people, not even his partner,
Speaker:because otherwise it's all built on approval seeking validation and
Speaker:being seen a certain way by others.
Speaker:He needs to be able to form his own path, his own direction, his own vision.
Speaker:And yes, he can take in advice and all of that, but that core, that essence,
Speaker:that fundament needs to be there.
Speaker:Because if that fundament is not there, then he's not truly a man.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:Because he doesn't even feel like a man.
Speaker:That's why many men feel like a boy in a grown up body.
Speaker:There is something symbolic, archaic, and deeply primal about
Speaker:this feeling, which turns out to be something very, very incredibly deep.
Speaker:Power demands clarity, presence, self-trust, and the ability to
Speaker:say yes or no with finality.
Speaker:Yes, I want this.
Speaker:No, I don't want this.
Speaker:This is where I want to go.
Speaker:This is who I am.
Speaker:This is what matters to me.
Speaker:This is what I prefer.
Speaker:This is what I don't prefer.
Speaker:It doesn't mean my way or the highway, but it means there needs to be a self there,
Speaker:a powerful self that knows who you are.
Speaker:Otherwise the self cannot be formed.
Speaker:Otherwise, there is a boy who's looking for others to form and
Speaker:create his self self with capital S.
Speaker:His energy leaks.
Speaker:He cannot be consistent.
Speaker:His boundaries and energies all over the place.
Speaker:His inner world is never fully his own.
Speaker:And it's just not possible for a woman to feel fully chosen in a relationship
Speaker:if he cannot be decisive, he doesn't have that foundation as a man.
Speaker:Without that foundation, he just cannot hold space.
Speaker:He cannot be fully there.
Speaker:He cannot choose a woman fully, no matter how hard he tries.
Speaker:That capacity is simply not there.
Speaker:He can even meditate and do all kinds of things.
Speaker:He needs to go through or compensate, which most men have to do, it's part of
Speaker:the challenge of being a man in today's world, but also a great opportunity
Speaker:to emotionally detach himself in a healthy way from his mother, to form
Speaker:his own path, spirit and identity.
Speaker:The path back to initiation or compensating for the lack of
Speaker:initiation and loss of crossing that threshold is less about physical
Speaker:separation, even though that might play a role, but emotional separation.
Speaker:Because a mother can still control a son even if he lives
Speaker:on the other end of the globe.
Speaker:It's about emotional separation, which is a man who's no longer driven by guilt.
Speaker:He doesn't feel responsible for caretaking the needs of his mother.
Speaker:He doesn't live with that shame and guilt anymore, which already sets
Speaker:free 80% of his power as a man.
Speaker:I'm not joking.
Speaker:80% of your power as a man, boom, available, set free,
Speaker:sovereignty, full power, and fire.
Speaker:This guilt that he's done something wrong.
Speaker:He's disappointing his mother, it all chips away from his essence, his presence.
Speaker:He's scattered.
Speaker:He's got zero energy.
Speaker:A man must free himself from the guilt.
Speaker:Stop feeling guilty.
Speaker:Because in the episode I did with Peter, Dr. Peter Saleno about narcissism,
Speaker:he said something so powerful.
Speaker:He said there is false guilt and real guilt, so to speak.
Speaker:Real guilt is when you've done something wrong, you feel guilt as an informative
Speaker:emotion, so you learn, I'm never gonna do this again because I don't want to
Speaker:experience that reality, cause that pain be out of integrity, et cetera.
Speaker:False guilt is when you feel a burden on your shoulders for something that
Speaker:isn't even your responsibility, but has been somewhat made your responsibility.
Speaker:There are many ways how this can happen, but none of that matters.
Speaker:What matters is it's false guilt.
Speaker:I release that guilt.
Speaker:I don't need to feel guilty for choosing my path as a man.
Speaker:I don't need to.
Speaker:Feel guilty anymore.
Speaker:That's a choice a man makes, and once he makes that, wow.
Speaker:It doesn't mean it happens immediately.
Speaker:He might still be drawn back into it because of challenging
Speaker:family dynamics, but that's the journey where it all begins.
Speaker:Free yourself of the guilt and everything transforms.
Speaker:Another part is ending the search for emotional mattering
Speaker:in romantic relationships.
Speaker:No mattering in relationships, no positivity, but actually seeking a
Speaker:woman who is honest with you, who will challenge you when you are showing up from
Speaker:unconsciousness who will speak a truth, and to receive that, to breathe with that,
Speaker:to stay present with that, to develop the internal capacity, to not run away
Speaker:from that, but instead fully embrace it.
Speaker:Another step is to, to learn, to make decisions from your core, by listening
Speaker:deeply inside yourself, not listening to the mother, not listening to someone else.
Speaker:Listen to your heart and truth.
Speaker:Another step, your partner and new family always comes first, not your mother.
Speaker:Enmeshment is when your mother comes first, but that means your
Speaker:partner, your feminine counterpart, will never feel fully chosen.
Speaker:She'll always be second, which is a horrendous dynamic for her, for you,
Speaker:for the relationship, for the family, for every party involved, everyone is
Speaker:in pain then, especially you as a man.
Speaker:No more in between you and your divine feminine counterpart.
Speaker:First comes her, later comes your mother.
Speaker:And a good mother will always understand this and fact even encourage it.
Speaker:Surrounding himself with powerful masculine energy that challenges
Speaker:him to rise into his true power rather than pulling you into
Speaker:performance or more passitivity.
Speaker:Don't surround yourself with passitivity.
Speaker:Surround yourself with high calibre men.
Speaker:I'm not talking about the bullshit alpha nonsense bro energy.
Speaker:I'm talking about men who have a strong identity, who feel secure in their mask
Speaker:energy, who get shit done, who walk their path, who have direction, who are strong,
Speaker:who can hold space, who have found their path and their direction in this life.
Speaker:Surround yourself with such men, and wow, everything transforms.
Speaker:This is one of the many reasons why I'm so passionate about the men's
Speaker:groups and men's offerings I have.
Speaker:Take these steps, do whatever is necessary.
Speaker:It's an ongoing journey, everything starts to transform, and you reclaim
Speaker:the initiation, the birthright, the threshold, the expansion
Speaker:that was always meant to you.
Speaker:Now, as a woman, if you are experiencing a dynamic where a man is overly emotionally
Speaker:reliable on his mother, or you feel that his mother in some capacity stands
Speaker:between you and him and the relationship and true fulfillment and intimacy, and
Speaker:your intuition always knows something is wrong, if it doesn't feel right,
Speaker:it's most likely true, then really all you can do is set the boundary.
Speaker:And when you set that boundary, many women feel guilty because they
Speaker:feel they're interfering in the relationship men have with their mother.
Speaker:But you're not interfering with the relationship.
Speaker:You're making a man aware of dysfunction.
Speaker:That is very, very different.
Speaker:The way you do these matters, but it's very, very important.
Speaker:Rather than trying to explain to him about the mother wound, explain
Speaker:how these actions impact you, how you don't feel his full commitment,
Speaker:how you don't feel fully chosen.
Speaker:Maybe even sent him this episode.
Speaker:It might be much easier to hear it from another man who has
Speaker:guided countless men through this.
Speaker:But if the mother stands between you and him, something needs to change.
Speaker:Otherwise, the foundation of the relationship is dysfunctional.
Speaker:No matter how much love there is, no matter how much, whatever care there is.
Speaker:This needs to shift for both of you to shift into the fully devoted, committed,
Speaker:sacred partnership that you truly desire.
Speaker:Trust your intuition.
Speaker:You're not interfering with this relationship.
Speaker:You are mirroring.
Speaker:The emotional being, emotionally standard and the reclaiming of true
Speaker:initiation and becoming fully a man,
Speaker:Man's power is not found by rejecting his mother.
Speaker:It is found by completing the developmental journey
Speaker:that was interrupted.
Speaker:Only then can he offer the presence, direction, leadership, and love that
Speaker:creates true safety, depth and abundance in a relationship and in the world.
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