1 00:00:00,090 --> 00:00:03,480 Gift biz unwrapped episode 335. 2 00:00:03,870 --> 00:00:04,470 Cause you love it. 3 00:00:04,650 --> 00:00:05,970 Love every step of the way, 4 00:00:06,060 --> 00:00:11,070 regardless of the outcome Attention gifters bakers, 5 00:00:11,070 --> 00:00:14,730 crafters, and makers pursuing your dream can be fun. 6 00:00:14,970 --> 00:00:18,420 Whether you have an established business or looking to start one. 7 00:00:18,420 --> 00:00:21,090 Now you are in the right place. 8 00:00:21,330 --> 00:00:23,700 This is gift to biz unwrapped, 9 00:00:23,910 --> 00:00:27,540 helping you turn your skill into a flourishing business. 10 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:29,160 Join us for an episode, 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,380 packed full of invaluable guidance, 12 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:34,350 resources, and the support you need to grow. 13 00:00:34,350 --> 00:00:35,520 Your gift biz. 14 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,250 Here is your host gift biz gal, 15 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,600 Sue moon Heights. 16 00:00:40,650 --> 00:00:41,130 Hi there. 17 00:00:41,460 --> 00:00:43,770 And thanks for joining me on this week's show. 18 00:00:44,250 --> 00:00:48,180 I have some great fun and inspiration coming your way today. 19 00:00:48,750 --> 00:00:50,130 But before we get into that, 20 00:00:50,550 --> 00:00:53,040 I want to update you on what's going on in my 21 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,520 private Facebook community gift biz breeze. 22 00:00:57,030 --> 00:00:58,980 It's time to update the buzz book. 23 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,200 And if you're interested in being included, 24 00:01:01,590 --> 00:01:03,840 now's the time to submit your information. 25 00:01:04,290 --> 00:01:05,340 It's totally free. 26 00:01:06,090 --> 00:01:10,320 The buzz book is a compilation of small handmade business owners 27 00:01:10,530 --> 00:01:13,380 and provides a way for you to support each other. 28 00:01:14,070 --> 00:01:16,980 You can do this by purchasing from each other of course, 29 00:01:17,190 --> 00:01:18,810 but it goes deeper than that. 30 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,810 The main goal is to provide a way to connect with 31 00:01:21,810 --> 00:01:24,450 people who make a similar product to yours, 32 00:01:24,690 --> 00:01:27,210 to discuss the nuances of your industry. 33 00:01:27,570 --> 00:01:30,390 It's also a way to easily find and get in touch 34 00:01:30,390 --> 00:01:32,760 with fellow Breezers in your local area. 35 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,260 You can get together for coffee or even establish more formal 36 00:01:37,290 --> 00:01:39,960 face-to-face networking type meetings. 37 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,720 It's a way to create collaborations. 38 00:01:43,140 --> 00:01:46,290 I've seen local brick and mortar shops reach out to regional 39 00:01:46,290 --> 00:01:48,750 makers to display their product in store, 40 00:01:49,110 --> 00:01:51,810 helping increase visibility for both of them. 41 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:56,280 I've also watched Breezers get together and do virtual shopping shows, 42 00:01:56,610 --> 00:01:57,630 offering different, 43 00:01:57,660 --> 00:01:59,310 but compatible products, 44 00:01:59,550 --> 00:02:04,080 thereby getting exposure to each other's audiences and let's face it. 45 00:02:04,410 --> 00:02:08,010 This going live thing is a lot easier when you do 46 00:02:08,010 --> 00:02:09,300 it with somebody else, 47 00:02:09,900 --> 00:02:13,230 the things we can do through our connections together is far 48 00:02:13,230 --> 00:02:15,510 greater than what we can achieve on our own. 49 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,030 The buzz book facilitates that. 50 00:02:18,450 --> 00:02:18,960 And again, 51 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,770 it's totally free for more details and to learn how to 52 00:02:22,770 --> 00:02:23,490 be listed. 53 00:02:23,940 --> 00:02:25,380 Join the gift biz breeze, 54 00:02:25,470 --> 00:02:26,430 Facebook group, 55 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:27,660 all the details. 56 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:28,800 Along with a video, 57 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,890 talking more about the program are right there, 58 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,310 separated as a special guide for easy access. 59 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,740 Today's show is all about winning my guests. 60 00:02:40,770 --> 00:02:44,730 Just one big $100,000 61 00:02:44,730 --> 00:02:45,960 big for that matter. 62 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:51,390 He's the latest master maker from this season's NBC show making 63 00:02:51,390 --> 00:02:53,190 it. Did you watch, 64 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,480 oh my gosh. 65 00:02:54,750 --> 00:02:58,500 So many unbelievably creative makers, 66 00:02:59,050 --> 00:03:02,470 the ideas they come out with and the end products are 67 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:05,350 incredible. The out of the box, 68 00:03:05,350 --> 00:03:09,880 thinking the risks to push their creativity beyond the limits. 69 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:11,590 It's such a fun show. 70 00:03:11,620 --> 00:03:12,820 And if you haven't seen it, 71 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,850 you can still go back and catch the show now because 72 00:03:15,850 --> 00:03:17,470 it's available on demand. 73 00:03:18,070 --> 00:03:20,830 It's fun to hear the behind the scenes of being on 74 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:23,290 the show and you're going to get all of that, 75 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:26,200 but I want you to be a winner too, 76 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,310 by taking away new ideas or inspiration that you can apply 77 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:31,660 to your business. 78 00:03:32,050 --> 00:03:35,110 That's always my goal with each podcast episode. 79 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,830 And you'll see that I had you in mind the entire 80 00:03:38,830 --> 00:03:40,930 time with my line of questioning. 81 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,050 We dive deep into things that I know you give thought 82 00:03:44,050 --> 00:03:45,220 to regularly, 83 00:03:45,580 --> 00:03:48,880 the creative side of being a maker and all that comes 84 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,720 with that from an emotional and tactical creative level. 85 00:03:53,470 --> 00:03:57,430 Let's turn now and shine the spotlight on our featured master 86 00:03:57,430 --> 00:04:06,850 maker. I am so excited to introduce you to Adam Kingmen. 87 00:04:07,330 --> 00:04:11,080 Adam is the most recently titled master maker. 88 00:04:11,350 --> 00:04:12,760 He's the winner from season. 89 00:04:12,790 --> 00:04:17,200 Three's making it show hosted by Amy Poehler and Nick Hoffman. 90 00:04:17,710 --> 00:04:21,790 Adam is an industrial designer and creative director from lake Tahoe. 91 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,320 Growing up the mountains were his playground influencing his stewardship of 92 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:31,660 the planet and resourcefulness of craft with recycled and retired materials. 93 00:04:31,750 --> 00:04:35,110 Adam is a modern day MacGyver using designing, 94 00:04:35,140 --> 00:04:36,940 thinking to create simple, 95 00:04:37,060 --> 00:04:40,150 intuitive solutions outside of work. 96 00:04:40,150 --> 00:04:41,650 Adam loves to write stories, 97 00:04:41,710 --> 00:04:44,620 direct short films and explore the Sierras. 98 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,550 Adam believes we're all just kids at heart and imagination is 99 00:04:48,550 --> 00:04:49,930 our finest resource. 100 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,190 His dream is to be a Disney Imagineer and someday a 101 00:04:54,190 --> 00:04:55,420 design professor, 102 00:04:55,780 --> 00:04:58,690 Adam, welcome to the gift biz unwrapped podcast. 103 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:00,310 Hi Sue. 104 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,440 Thank you so much for that intro. 105 00:05:02,470 --> 00:05:03,460 I was like tearing up. 106 00:05:03,490 --> 00:05:03,850 I was like, 107 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:04,450 oh my gosh, 108 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,450 I've never heard anybody read it with like heart. 109 00:05:07,990 --> 00:05:09,700 So thank you and great to be here. 110 00:05:10,300 --> 00:05:11,530 I love what you do. 111 00:05:11,530 --> 00:05:13,720 And as we were talking about in the pre chat a 112 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:14,290 little bit, 113 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:17,170 all of our listeners are right in line with you. 114 00:05:17,170 --> 00:05:20,890 So I am super excited to get into the conversation, 115 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,230 but I have to delay it for just a short second, 116 00:05:23,260 --> 00:05:26,440 because I'm going to have you participate in what has become 117 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,060 a tradition on this show. 118 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:31,360 And that is having you describe yourself in a little bit 119 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,810 of a different way through a motivational candle. 120 00:05:35,050 --> 00:05:37,270 So if you were to share with us what a candle 121 00:05:37,270 --> 00:05:37,960 would look like, 122 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,820 that speaks all about you, 123 00:05:39,820 --> 00:05:41,560 Adam, what color is it? 124 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,660 And what would be a quote or a saying on your 125 00:05:43,660 --> 00:05:46,180 candle? Such a good question. 126 00:05:46,630 --> 00:05:47,980 The candle would be yellow. 127 00:05:48,490 --> 00:05:52,780 Yellow is my favorite color because it is the color of 128 00:05:52,780 --> 00:05:54,160 warmth of sunshine, 129 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:57,980 of happiness and the girl next door when I was five 130 00:05:57,980 --> 00:05:59,840 years old and she was five years old, 131 00:05:59,930 --> 00:06:01,940 she told me her favorite color was yellow. 132 00:06:02,450 --> 00:06:05,150 And we have since grown up and she is the bravest 133 00:06:05,150 --> 00:06:06,470 woman I know, 134 00:06:06,770 --> 00:06:09,500 and my color has to this day remained yellow. 135 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:11,150 So it always reminds me of her. 136 00:06:11,570 --> 00:06:16,670 And my quote would be enjoy the process because I believe 137 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,610 process is the most important thing. 138 00:06:20,090 --> 00:06:21,800 And the older we get, 139 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,820 the more we think about perception and presentation and we lose 140 00:06:25,820 --> 00:06:28,190 sight of why we did anything in the first place was 141 00:06:28,190 --> 00:06:30,320 simply because we love the process. 142 00:06:30,710 --> 00:06:33,530 And that's what I want my candle to remind you and 143 00:06:33,530 --> 00:06:34,460 everybody who sees it, 144 00:06:34,550 --> 00:06:35,840 Hey, do it because you love it. 145 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:37,370 You love every step of the way, 146 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:40,460 regardless of the outcome or the presentation. 147 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:41,750 Yes. I love that. 148 00:06:41,750 --> 00:06:42,680 Enjoy the process. 149 00:06:42,890 --> 00:06:43,280 And you know, 150 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:46,790 it's so easy to forget that because we get so involved 151 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:49,190 in taken up with like what our goals are, 152 00:06:49,580 --> 00:06:52,850 forgetting that what you're doing along the way and those small 153 00:06:52,850 --> 00:06:57,020 points of success and appreciation and interaction with people and all 154 00:06:57,020 --> 00:06:57,530 of that. 155 00:06:57,830 --> 00:07:00,380 You don't want to lose that because that's the gold. 156 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,390 Exactly. I'm sure Winning master maker is amazing. 157 00:07:04,420 --> 00:07:05,990 That's what you were going for. 158 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:08,750 But being able to work with other contestants, 159 00:07:08,750 --> 00:07:12,410 just this whole process of going through the journey with the 160 00:07:12,410 --> 00:07:14,960 show and all of that was steps that I'm sure you 161 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,280 got a lot from along the way, 162 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,380 too. Absolutely. 163 00:07:18,620 --> 00:07:21,380 And you bring up such a good point and it's not 164 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,620 often a question I get asked about the show, 165 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,700 but there are ideas I have we're on the show. 166 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,680 We're told the challenge ready, 167 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:31,400 set, go, 168 00:07:31,460 --> 00:07:34,070 or now make it right. 169 00:07:34,820 --> 00:07:35,780 The catch phrase. 170 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:36,980 And you know, 171 00:07:36,980 --> 00:07:39,470 I start thinking through ideas and there were times where I 172 00:07:39,470 --> 00:07:41,150 knew what I wanted to make. 173 00:07:41,150 --> 00:07:42,080 I had this idea, 174 00:07:42,110 --> 00:07:42,800 I had the vision, 175 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,580 the outcome, 176 00:07:43,940 --> 00:07:44,690 but then I go, 177 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:45,410 wait a minute. 178 00:07:45,410 --> 00:07:46,940 I don't actually want to make this. 179 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,800 I wouldn't have fun making this. 180 00:07:48,860 --> 00:07:51,290 Like Nick and Amy would come over and they'd be like, 181 00:07:51,350 --> 00:07:52,940 out of it looks like you're having a bad day. 182 00:07:53,270 --> 00:07:54,890 I'm just foreseeing this happening. 183 00:07:54,890 --> 00:07:55,160 And I'm like, 184 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:55,460 well, yeah, 185 00:07:55,490 --> 00:07:57,470 because I don't actually like stained glass. 186 00:07:57,470 --> 00:07:58,760 I would rather be doing this. 187 00:07:58,850 --> 00:08:00,650 And so I catch myself and go, 188 00:08:00,890 --> 00:08:02,600 Hey, even if I don't finish, 189 00:08:02,630 --> 00:08:05,750 what would I love to make every minute of this show 190 00:08:06,410 --> 00:08:07,220 and you're spot on, 191 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,540 correct. Love it. 192 00:08:08,540 --> 00:08:09,170 It is the gold. 193 00:08:09,710 --> 00:08:12,380 And that's where you really add your heart and your spirit 194 00:08:12,380 --> 00:08:13,070 and your passion. 195 00:08:13,070 --> 00:08:15,110 And it's got to reflect on what comes out through your 196 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:17,060 hands, through the creativity too. 197 00:08:17,750 --> 00:08:18,740 Yeah. All right. 198 00:08:18,740 --> 00:08:20,450 Well, let's back it up for a second. 199 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,710 Share with me a little bit about how you became a 200 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:28,280 maker by passion or profession or wherever you want to start 201 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:28,700 with that. 202 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:30,830 Sure. Good question. 203 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,860 I think growing up in lake Tahoe, 204 00:08:34,010 --> 00:08:38,420 I lived in the woods and I was always just tinkering, 205 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:39,410 building forts, 206 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,060 building snow caves. 207 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:47,540 And I loved creating spaces and architecture rooms houses like anything 208 00:08:47,930 --> 00:08:50,720 that I could put myself in would fascinate me because you 209 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,800 could create a whole experience and that's very much large-scale, 210 00:08:55,050 --> 00:08:55,950 but small scale, 211 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:58,560 I also loved creating the objects within the space and how 212 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:02,610 much joy would be created by interacting with certain things in 213 00:09:02,610 --> 00:09:03,000 my life. 214 00:09:03,030 --> 00:09:03,870 Like I was very picky, 215 00:09:03,870 --> 00:09:04,800 very selective, 216 00:09:04,890 --> 00:09:06,300 very interested in, 217 00:09:06,510 --> 00:09:06,720 you know, 218 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,010 the way things have made me feel and ultimately curiosity as 219 00:09:11,010 --> 00:09:13,170 well. I just love to figure things out, 220 00:09:13,170 --> 00:09:13,860 take them apart, 221 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:17,730 put them back together and understand how they worked and growing 222 00:09:17,730 --> 00:09:19,020 up now I'm, 223 00:09:19,020 --> 00:09:22,140 let's say 18 and I'm in college and I stumbled into 224 00:09:22,140 --> 00:09:25,590 the design major at university of Washington. 225 00:09:25,590 --> 00:09:27,180 I always thought I wanted to be an architect. 226 00:09:27,180 --> 00:09:28,890 Right. Cause that's what I understood. 227 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:30,510 That's what I thought I liked. 228 00:09:30,540 --> 00:09:31,440 And I still do like, 229 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:34,050 but I had never heard of design and I take this 230 00:09:34,050 --> 00:09:36,150 class and I fall in love with it right away, 231 00:09:36,180 --> 00:09:39,660 because it's all about what is objective versus subjective. 232 00:09:39,660 --> 00:09:40,830 How do you solve a problem? 233 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,650 How do you create something that makes people feel a certain 234 00:09:43,650 --> 00:09:49,380 way? And every question I had always wondered growing up with 235 00:09:49,380 --> 00:09:50,490 suddenly being answered, 236 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:52,230 I didn't even know what questions to ask, 237 00:09:52,230 --> 00:09:54,660 but I'm being told things that I've always wanted to know 238 00:09:55,110 --> 00:09:59,610 and graduated in 2014 with a degree in industrial design, 239 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,720 which is all about designing products and spaces and objects that 240 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:04,950 are understandable, 241 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:06,780 intuitive that make you feel good. 242 00:10:06,870 --> 00:10:07,800 That bring you joy. 243 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,580 Are you using that today in your professional career? 244 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:17,310 Yeah. My day job is I'm an industrial designer at a 245 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,400 consultancy and creative consultancy in San Francisco. 246 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:21,630 So it's a mix, 247 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,130 big mix of projects. 248 00:10:23,370 --> 00:10:26,880 And I still have creative inches on the weekends to take 249 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,000 photos or direct short films or be a little sillier. 250 00:10:30,690 --> 00:10:34,260 I just love working with my hands and working with people 251 00:10:34,260 --> 00:10:36,750 who think like me and who don't think like me, 252 00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:38,430 it's such a creative world. 253 00:10:38,490 --> 00:10:41,550 And that curiosity kind of pulls me into all sorts of 254 00:10:41,550 --> 00:10:43,350 scenarios. I've got to say, 255 00:10:43,350 --> 00:10:47,280 I know for sure that we have listeners here who just 256 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,660 like, from what you're describing, 257 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:51,660 you've always had that creative vein running through you. 258 00:10:52,020 --> 00:10:54,900 It gives you joy and fulfillment and all of that. 259 00:10:55,350 --> 00:10:58,380 And you've been very fortunate because you've been able to continue 260 00:10:58,380 --> 00:11:01,260 that on as you've gotten to be an adult in your 261 00:11:01,260 --> 00:11:02,730 professional career and all. 262 00:11:03,090 --> 00:11:05,280 And so many people that I know are listening, 263 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,430 have done other things for their profession, 264 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,220 become bankers or realtors, 265 00:11:11,250 --> 00:11:11,640 name it, 266 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:12,000 you know, 267 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:12,810 whatever it is, 268 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,510 but now are gravitating back to the, 269 00:11:15,510 --> 00:11:19,380 making the craft and things that they enjoy and trying to 270 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:23,130 kind of discover what's possible for them as they continue on 271 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,480 either in addition to what their quote unquote professional job is, 272 00:11:27,750 --> 00:11:32,100 or possibly transitioning even into a business around whatever their creative 273 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:33,000 art is. 274 00:11:33,420 --> 00:11:34,980 So we're in the same group, 275 00:11:35,010 --> 00:11:36,150 Adam right here. 276 00:11:37,260 --> 00:11:38,190 I love hearing though, 277 00:11:38,190 --> 00:11:40,620 that you were able to move this into your professional life 278 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:42,810 too. And I know you have big visions for the future 279 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:43,410 as well, 280 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,370 which is amazing. 281 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:46,170 I've watched the whole season. 282 00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:49,080 So I have known you from the beginning when you first 283 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,440 appeared on the show and it seems to me, 284 00:11:52,470 --> 00:11:55,180 first of all are like a magnet for people. 285 00:11:55,180 --> 00:11:55,450 I mean, 286 00:11:55,450 --> 00:11:58,480 everyone adored you so much on the show and you're also 287 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,620 kind of a sensitive guy, 288 00:11:59,620 --> 00:12:00,070 aren't you? 289 00:12:02,470 --> 00:12:03,520 Why are you laughing? 290 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:06,670 I guess I am sensitive. 291 00:12:07,030 --> 00:12:09,280 That's a new descriptor for me sensitive, 292 00:12:09,340 --> 00:12:09,790 but yeah, 293 00:12:09,790 --> 00:12:10,090 I do. 294 00:12:10,090 --> 00:12:11,080 I feel right. 295 00:12:11,110 --> 00:12:12,160 Things, you know, 296 00:12:12,220 --> 00:12:15,550 emotions are a gift and if we listen to them, 297 00:12:15,850 --> 00:12:17,530 that can be a huge asset. 298 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:19,030 Right? Well, 299 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:20,740 that was kind of where I was getting at with the 300 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:21,490 question is, 301 00:12:21,490 --> 00:12:23,380 do you see yourself using that? 302 00:12:23,380 --> 00:12:26,110 Like what you're feeling and what you're sensing and all of 303 00:12:26,110 --> 00:12:28,390 that as you apply it to your creativity? 304 00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:31,180 Yeah. That's such a good question. 305 00:12:31,630 --> 00:12:34,330 I go back to like the rules of good design, 306 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,560 right? Good design. 307 00:12:35,830 --> 00:12:38,290 Not only does it satisfy a function, 308 00:12:38,650 --> 00:12:40,330 but it also makes you feel things. 309 00:12:40,330 --> 00:12:42,220 Does it make you feel frustrated, 310 00:12:42,310 --> 00:12:43,270 angry, upset? 311 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:45,250 Does it make you feel seen or understood? 312 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,450 Does it make you feel nothing? 313 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:47,830 Right? It almost disappears. 314 00:12:48,220 --> 00:12:51,130 Like some people say good design is almost invisible because you 315 00:12:51,130 --> 00:12:52,750 don't even notice that it's there. 316 00:12:53,350 --> 00:12:56,650 And I just remember being on the show and the judges 317 00:12:56,650 --> 00:12:59,410 would give us the criteria of what they're looking for. 318 00:12:59,860 --> 00:13:02,710 And I would always add in a few more bullet points 319 00:13:02,710 --> 00:13:04,390 for my own personal goals, 320 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:06,670 right? So if nobody was in this barn with me, 321 00:13:06,670 --> 00:13:07,390 what would I make? 322 00:13:07,450 --> 00:13:09,790 Like what would I love to have walked away with at 323 00:13:09,790 --> 00:13:10,570 the end of the day? 324 00:13:11,020 --> 00:13:13,270 And I would always add in can't really want it to 325 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:14,770 be interactive. 326 00:13:15,130 --> 00:13:16,360 You have to be able to touch it. 327 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,120 You have to be able to push and pull or sit 328 00:13:19,150 --> 00:13:20,710 or step into something. 329 00:13:21,190 --> 00:13:23,260 So interactive first and foremost, 330 00:13:23,260 --> 00:13:25,540 second, there has to be an element of surprise. 331 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,290 There also has to be something emotive and there has to 332 00:13:29,290 --> 00:13:33,700 be story and always would try to integrate just a little 333 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:34,780 bit more into it. 334 00:13:34,870 --> 00:13:38,170 And we look to our past for inspiration. 335 00:13:38,740 --> 00:13:41,560 I believe we know what we love and that exists in 336 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:43,210 our memories because they stand out. 337 00:13:43,270 --> 00:13:46,090 And so how do we pull from memories to create something 338 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:51,010 special? And so I think certainly a sensitivity and our emotions, 339 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:53,620 if we want them to can play really strongly. 340 00:13:54,540 --> 00:13:56,440 And that goes back to what you were saying in the 341 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,440 beginning is it has to be something that I'm enjoying making. 342 00:13:59,830 --> 00:14:01,660 And then the result is going to be the best, 343 00:14:01,810 --> 00:14:03,280 which includes emotion, 344 00:14:03,610 --> 00:14:04,930 past experience, 345 00:14:05,170 --> 00:14:07,120 what your interests are at the time. 346 00:14:07,420 --> 00:14:10,540 And now we know that you added additional goals on top 347 00:14:10,780 --> 00:14:11,560 of yourself, 348 00:14:12,730 --> 00:14:14,020 so super achiever, 349 00:14:15,790 --> 00:14:18,910 but that was what made you happy and continued making you 350 00:14:18,910 --> 00:14:19,990 challenged at all. 351 00:14:20,260 --> 00:14:24,400 So we have to start now from how did you get 352 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:25,600 involved with making it, 353 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,640 how did this whole thing come about? 354 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:33,340 Sure. So this is now mid pandemic and my sister and 355 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:35,680 I are both home in Tahoe. 356 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,580 And my sister Abby starts watching this show called making it. 357 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:40,900 I had no idea what it was, 358 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:44,980 but quickly found myself with my sister. 359 00:14:44,980 --> 00:14:46,210 It was our nightly ritual. 360 00:14:46,210 --> 00:14:47,740 We would watch making it, 361 00:14:47,740 --> 00:14:48,370 we loved it. 362 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,410 We got so involved and I remember being so inspired by 363 00:14:51,410 --> 00:14:57,200 Justine and Justy and their creative approach and almost abstract presentations. 364 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:57,800 I loved it. 365 00:14:58,130 --> 00:15:00,710 I had never seen something like that on TV before. 366 00:15:01,130 --> 00:15:02,480 And I turned to my sister and I go, 367 00:15:02,540 --> 00:15:04,400 oh, this looks like so much fun. 368 00:15:04,730 --> 00:15:06,080 And my sister goes, 369 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,540 I would have fun watching you on this show. 370 00:15:09,060 --> 00:15:10,490 I give her some side-eye and I go, 371 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:11,750 what, what do you mean? 372 00:15:12,020 --> 00:15:12,410 She's like, 373 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:13,790 I think you'd be great on the show. 374 00:15:14,210 --> 00:15:14,810 I was like, 375 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,490 huh. Okay. 376 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:19,190 I don't think they're looking for a guy like me. 377 00:15:19,250 --> 00:15:20,450 I don't really have a thing. 378 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,440 I kind of just like to make cribbage boards with scrap 379 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,030 wood, but maybe we'll see. 380 00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:29,900 And so Google casting call making it season three, 381 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:31,370 find the portal, 382 00:15:31,550 --> 00:15:34,100 make a little video and submit an application. 383 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:35,510 And a few weeks later, 384 00:15:35,510 --> 00:15:36,350 get a call back. 385 00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:38,270 And a couple of months later, 386 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:40,820 next thing I know I'm in the barn with the makers 387 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:41,870 and we're making, 388 00:15:42,690 --> 00:15:47,870 Was it surreal for you that you were there from this 389 00:15:47,870 --> 00:15:52,190 idea, sitting with your sister watching to actually then being on 390 00:15:52,190 --> 00:15:53,870 set had to be crazy. 391 00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:54,890 It's wild. 392 00:15:54,890 --> 00:15:57,990 Cause you're watching through the TV right here. 393 00:15:57,990 --> 00:16:01,790 You're watching this thing and suddenly you're in it. 394 00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:03,230 It's real. 395 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,400 And it's around you. 396 00:16:04,850 --> 00:16:09,080 And it just was so fascinating and so wonderful. 397 00:16:09,170 --> 00:16:13,250 And I loved watching Nick and Amy and I have never 398 00:16:13,250 --> 00:16:15,890 been around actors or actresses before. 399 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:16,880 Right. Entertainment. 400 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,050 That's a whole world. 401 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,370 I know nothing about, 402 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,340 but to be around these two characters who are not just 403 00:16:22,340 --> 00:16:24,410 entertainers, but like really, 404 00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:26,240 really good entertainers, 405 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,370 right. They know how to read the room. 406 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,110 They know how to give people joy and laughter and I 407 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:37,610 found myself just so enamored watching them perform and then work 408 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,800 and the improv that they do and the way that they 409 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,390 can just have these beautiful conversations and joke around as I'm 410 00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:45,620 like crocheting, 411 00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:49,400 I'm sitting there crocheting like front row seat to an improv 412 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,080 theater. It was wild. 413 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:51,620 So yes. 414 00:16:51,620 --> 00:16:53,510 Surreal is a great word. 415 00:16:53,750 --> 00:16:55,880 Well, an added bonus that you weren't expecting, 416 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:56,510 I guess, 417 00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:57,860 but Adam, 418 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,290 why didn't you think that it should be, 419 00:17:00,290 --> 00:17:01,300 you, you know, 420 00:17:01,300 --> 00:17:03,710 you were saying when your sister first suggested it, 421 00:17:03,710 --> 00:17:04,250 you're like, 422 00:17:04,310 --> 00:17:04,910 I don't know, 423 00:17:04,940 --> 00:17:05,750 like me, 424 00:17:05,810 --> 00:17:06,560 why would it be me? 425 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,060 Why would they want someone like me? 426 00:17:08,210 --> 00:17:09,410 Why would you think that? 427 00:17:10,610 --> 00:17:14,300 I guess I didn't think it would be me because I 428 00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:16,550 have a hard time explaining what I do. 429 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,160 And I don't really have a thing. 430 00:17:19,190 --> 00:17:21,620 I suppose we always feel like we have to have a 431 00:17:21,620 --> 00:17:24,440 thing or a certain craft or a certain medium. 432 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:27,500 We have to commit to one thing and that's it. 433 00:17:27,860 --> 00:17:29,420 And if we're a Jack of all trades, 434 00:17:29,420 --> 00:17:30,950 then we're actually kind of useless, 435 00:17:31,220 --> 00:17:33,500 which I believe the complete opposite. 436 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,390 Right? Like the more skills you have or materials, 437 00:17:38,420 --> 00:17:41,390 methodologies are familiar with that's when you have fun. 438 00:17:41,420 --> 00:17:44,750 Cause that's when you can start merging unlikely mediums and you 439 00:17:44,750 --> 00:17:47,000 create these outcomes that you would never expect. 440 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,910 I just thought the show wanted somebody a little craftier. 441 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:51,450 I don't know what crowd. 442 00:17:51,450 --> 00:17:51,810 I don't know. 443 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:52,410 Well, you know, 444 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,300 Well, it's interesting that you say that though. 445 00:17:54,330 --> 00:17:56,070 Well, first off and the reason I wanted to ask you 446 00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:58,620 that question is I think there are a lot of us 447 00:17:58,620 --> 00:18:01,620 who make things who don't feel like we have what it 448 00:18:01,620 --> 00:18:03,720 takes or we're not enough, 449 00:18:03,870 --> 00:18:05,280 like, or it can be other people, 450 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,660 but it can't be us. 451 00:18:07,050 --> 00:18:08,010 And then look, 452 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,400 you had that initial thought and now you're the master maker. 453 00:18:11,910 --> 00:18:15,660 I bring it up for everybody listening who would go along 454 00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:17,070 that line of thinking. 455 00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:21,330 And there's no reason it can't be any of us, 456 00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:23,850 except when we stand in our own way. 457 00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:24,840 Because look, 458 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:26,790 if you wouldn't have gone through and just said, 459 00:18:26,820 --> 00:18:27,780 oh, I'm going to apply. 460 00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:28,290 Let you know, 461 00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:29,430 we'll see what happens. 462 00:18:29,730 --> 00:18:29,910 You know, 463 00:18:29,910 --> 00:18:30,930 if you didn't do that, 464 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,550 someone else would be master maker. 465 00:18:33,420 --> 00:18:35,730 So it was just putting yourself out there, 466 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,580 believing in yourself just enough, 467 00:18:38,850 --> 00:18:39,090 you know, 468 00:18:39,090 --> 00:18:40,920 just enough to take that action, 469 00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:42,870 to see what could happen. 470 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:44,580 Yeah. I love that. 471 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:45,630 And look at you now. 472 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:47,400 And then I'm going to say one other thing. 473 00:18:48,450 --> 00:18:51,150 When you say like everyone has to stand for one thing, 474 00:18:52,380 --> 00:18:55,920 you know what I see you standing as the modern day 475 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,960 MacGyver, you know, 476 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,100 that is your thing. 477 00:18:59,130 --> 00:19:02,130 No, because you're taking all these different types of things. 478 00:19:02,190 --> 00:19:05,250 Every single thing you make is different, 479 00:19:05,610 --> 00:19:07,920 but you're applying your same skills. 480 00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:09,720 And that is what makes you, 481 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,640 you, that is your special thing. 482 00:19:11,910 --> 00:19:15,870 If that makes sense and pulling from the environment, 483 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:17,430 no matter what the end result is, 484 00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:20,160 it might be all different types of pieces and products and 485 00:19:20,340 --> 00:19:22,800 sheds and everything else. 486 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:26,760 But it's still coming from that same source of inspiration, 487 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,020 right? So I'm saying you have a thing at them already. 488 00:19:31,020 --> 00:19:35,940 Yeah. What I love about you bringing what guy for backup 489 00:19:36,330 --> 00:19:37,950 is, and again, 490 00:19:37,950 --> 00:19:38,550 you ask like, 491 00:19:38,550 --> 00:19:39,420 why not me? 492 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:40,140 And I go, 493 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,100 I don't have a wood shop. 494 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,090 I don't have a studio. 495 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,310 I don't have a laser cutter. 496 00:19:44,370 --> 00:19:45,480 I don't have a sewing shop. 497 00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:49,680 Like I don't have all these tools that I think what 498 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,230 I assume a master maker would have. 499 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,050 I am always on the road. 500 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,430 I'm here and there and I travel light and I don't 501 00:19:59,430 --> 00:20:01,050 necessarily have all these tools, 502 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,730 literally in my duffel bag, 503 00:20:02,730 --> 00:20:04,920 I have a pocket knife and maybe a crochet hook. 504 00:20:05,490 --> 00:20:09,030 And I let that prevent me from feeling. 505 00:20:09,420 --> 00:20:10,770 I have a place on that show, 506 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:11,760 which as you said, 507 00:20:12,060 --> 00:20:13,530 I just acted on that feeling of, 508 00:20:13,530 --> 00:20:14,700 Hey, who knows? 509 00:20:14,970 --> 00:20:16,650 Maybe I have something different to offer. 510 00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:18,780 I think that was the push of, 511 00:20:19,020 --> 00:20:21,090 okay, this may not go anywhere, 512 00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:21,900 but gosh, 513 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:23,640 wouldn't it be cool to meet Nick Offerman? 514 00:20:25,930 --> 00:20:26,320 That was it. 515 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:26,760 It was like, 516 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,870 I just want to meet Nick. 517 00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:28,440 And you know, 518 00:20:28,590 --> 00:20:30,180 maybe they won't pick me for the show. 519 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,590 Maybe Nick Offerman will see my application video and be like, 520 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:35,580 like high school. 521 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:37,260 And I'll never hear back, 522 00:20:37,290 --> 00:20:39,270 but maybe I made him laugh. 523 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:40,350 That was like, 524 00:20:40,350 --> 00:20:40,890 step one, 525 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:41,580 right? Like, 526 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:42,720 oh, step one, 527 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:43,710 let's just do this. 528 00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:44,310 And we'll see where it, 529 00:20:45,420 --> 00:20:47,230 And it's also much more like, 530 00:20:47,230 --> 00:20:47,560 you know, 531 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,350 I'm so proud of you and so excited and happy for 532 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:51,490 you that you did that. 533 00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:54,610 This is something I want everybody to think of is we 534 00:20:54,610 --> 00:20:55,900 limit ourselves. 535 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:56,170 You know, 536 00:20:56,170 --> 00:20:57,010 what's possible. 537 00:20:57,010 --> 00:20:59,320 If we just don't stand in our own way, 538 00:20:59,950 --> 00:21:01,660 you can become a star like Adam, 539 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,120 I Want to emphasize what you say of, 540 00:21:04,210 --> 00:21:08,350 we get in the way of our own opportunity. 541 00:21:08,890 --> 00:21:10,360 We dismiss ourselves, 542 00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:11,830 which is so silly. 543 00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:14,350 I often have to remind myself, 544 00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:15,910 Hey, these ideas, 545 00:21:15,940 --> 00:21:17,170 the ideas in my head, 546 00:21:17,770 --> 00:21:20,620 they're invitations to create their opportunities. 547 00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:25,180 And if I don't act on these ideas, 548 00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:28,060 I feel like it's a disservice to myself. 549 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,410 It's a disservice to the world, 550 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,640 right? For some reason, 551 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:31,780 these things are in my head. 552 00:21:31,870 --> 00:21:34,750 I should share them because nobody knows that they're up there. 553 00:21:34,780 --> 00:21:39,010 And maybe somebody might resonate with this strange dream I had 554 00:21:39,010 --> 00:21:40,060 or this impulse, 555 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:42,820 this thought I had driving from Seattle to Tahoe. 556 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,330 And the more I act on these silly ideas, 557 00:21:46,660 --> 00:21:47,740 the more people are like, 558 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:49,450 wait, I resonate with that too. 559 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:50,260 And I go, 560 00:21:50,290 --> 00:21:50,920 oh my gosh. 561 00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:52,090 Cool. Okay. 562 00:21:52,150 --> 00:21:53,890 I'll listen to those impulses. 563 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:55,840 Those feelings a little more. 564 00:21:56,530 --> 00:21:57,580 Yeah. I love what you said. 565 00:21:57,820 --> 00:22:01,060 The ideas in my head are an invitation to create. 566 00:22:01,630 --> 00:22:02,200 I love that. 567 00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:03,400 Yeah. It's beautiful. 568 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,460 Nobody knows what's in your head until you let it out. 569 00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:08,050 It was so funny. 570 00:22:08,290 --> 00:22:09,370 I like this conversation. 571 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,040 You're bringing up thoughts that I have long forgotten about. 572 00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:15,610 I remember episode one on the theme of like getting in 573 00:22:15,610 --> 00:22:16,090 your own way, 574 00:22:16,090 --> 00:22:17,080 tripping on yourself. 575 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,530 I remember they said make a family portrait. 576 00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:21,550 I'm like, 577 00:22:21,910 --> 00:22:24,760 Ooh, what if I made portraits of my family? 578 00:22:24,820 --> 00:22:27,820 And I used like cards or baseball cards. 579 00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:29,380 I'm just going to use like objects. 580 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,390 I remember thinking don't do that. 581 00:22:31,390 --> 00:22:31,930 That's stupid. 582 00:22:31,930 --> 00:22:33,460 Everyone else is going to do that too. 583 00:22:33,490 --> 00:22:38,050 Like the skin skill look like everyone else's and I drew 584 00:22:38,050 --> 00:22:39,490 up a few other ideas, 585 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,070 but I had to act quick and I had to move 586 00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:45,580 fast. And so I just ran outside and made those baseball 587 00:22:45,580 --> 00:22:47,890 portraits. And then the clock was up. 588 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:48,820 They call time. 589 00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:52,870 And I remember seeing everybody else's and done like holy smokes. 590 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:54,400 They're all so different. 591 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:57,160 Everybody thinks so uniquely. 592 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,890 And I kind of was kicking myself, 593 00:22:59,890 --> 00:23:00,970 going, okay, 594 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,230 get out of your head out of like, 595 00:23:03,310 --> 00:23:04,750 don't dismiss your first ideas. 596 00:23:04,780 --> 00:23:05,470 Like, Hey, 597 00:23:05,470 --> 00:23:06,820 that first idea you have, 598 00:23:07,150 --> 00:23:08,620 it's often just waiting to come out. 599 00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:09,940 So go with it, 600 00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:10,630 see where it goes. 601 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,250 Yeah, absolutely. 602 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,450 Well, and this you've walked me perfectly into another conversation I 603 00:23:16,450 --> 00:23:17,290 want to have with you. 604 00:23:17,290 --> 00:23:18,760 And that is okay. 605 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,260 Here you are on the show. 606 00:23:20,260 --> 00:23:22,090 And I'm going to just describe it a little bit for 607 00:23:22,090 --> 00:23:23,680 anybody who hasn't seen the show, 608 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:27,730 but you're given an assignment and you're given, 609 00:23:27,790 --> 00:23:29,080 let's just go with the last one, 610 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,070 which was the stats, 611 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:33,100 right? Or the porches were so fun to those porches. 612 00:23:33,130 --> 00:23:34,360 Well, we'll stay with the shots. 613 00:23:34,690 --> 00:23:36,010 So you're given a shed. 614 00:23:36,010 --> 00:23:38,890 So everyone starts with the same base piece. 615 00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:39,760 I guess I'll call it. 616 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,590 These are full life sheds. 617 00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:44,350 They're not like a little mock up on a table for 618 00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:45,890 anyone who seen the show yet. 619 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,020 And then there's like a place you go to pull any 620 00:23:51,140 --> 00:23:53,690 product that you want to use to make your shed. 621 00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:56,630 Right. And you get certain things that you're going to be 622 00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:57,290 judged on, 623 00:23:57,530 --> 00:23:59,150 which is how they're going to rank and decide who the 624 00:23:59,150 --> 00:24:01,220 winner is for that project. 625 00:24:01,250 --> 00:24:04,490 Right? So you find all of this out, 626 00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:05,960 like within the second. 627 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,270 And then you have to go running to decide what you 628 00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:10,970 want to pull back and use for your project. 629 00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:14,090 How does your mind work? 630 00:24:14,150 --> 00:24:16,070 Like you find out what you're doing. 631 00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:18,590 You find out what you're going to be judged with. 632 00:24:18,620 --> 00:24:22,820 You're running to a set of items. 633 00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:26,570 How does all of that work in your creative mind? 634 00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:29,510 Adam, are you thinking of what you're designing first? 635 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:32,300 Or are you running into the pile and seeing what's there 636 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:33,710 and then developing it? 637 00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:34,790 How does that work? 638 00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:38,090 It intrigues me that you can do that so fast. 639 00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:43,370 Next we'll get a peek inside. 640 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,260 Adam's creative mind, 641 00:24:45,650 --> 00:24:48,380 but a short break first to hear from our sponsor. 642 00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:52,880 Hi, I'm Laurie and I work right beside Sue to keep 643 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,560 the ribbon print company thriving. 644 00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:57,740 I've been here from the start and it's been so fulfilling 645 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,240 to watch the growth of the business, 646 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:00,860 not just for us, 647 00:25:00,860 --> 00:25:05,120 but for our customers to adding the ability to personalize ribbon 648 00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:08,000 has been a game changer for many of our customers. 649 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,510 We've been told it's what kept them in business back in 650 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,580 2008. 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This is also why our software along with an exclusive 662 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,090 online training program is the industry gold standard. 663 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,360 Nothing else comes close to its reliability, 664 00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:58,040 design flexibility, 665 00:25:58,070 --> 00:26:00,950 and ease of use all done with the goal of making 666 00:26:01,010 --> 00:26:04,280 you look good as you bring smiles to the faces of 667 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,060 your customers, 668 00:26:05,570 --> 00:26:08,270 to learn more and see the ribbon printer in action, 669 00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:11,510 go to the ribbon print company.com. 670 00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:12,620 Thank you. 671 00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:13,910 That's such a good question. 672 00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:17,210 I have a few different ideas popped into my mind as 673 00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:18,050 you're asking that, 674 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:19,250 and I have two things. 675 00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:21,500 One is the brain Rolodex and the two is the scrap 676 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,690 pile. And if I forget to touch either one of those 677 00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:25,190 feel free to loop it back in. 678 00:26:25,550 --> 00:26:27,680 But first I want to talk about the brain Rolodex. 679 00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:31,370 This is what I call the internal pinup board that we 680 00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:32,330 all have in our mind. 681 00:26:32,810 --> 00:26:36,080 I feel like we often feel like an idea just happens 682 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:36,860 on the spot, 683 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:37,320 you know, 684 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:37,520 and just, 685 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,130 we just get this spark of inspiration right away. 686 00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:40,910 And it happens. 687 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,800 And sometimes that happens. 688 00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:46,230 But I think often we observe and we just start collecting 689 00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:50,730 ideas. We collect materials and things and approaches that we really 690 00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:51,990 like that stand out. 691 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,690 And we often don't really know what to do with them 692 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:56,550 in that moment of time because you know, 693 00:26:56,550 --> 00:26:59,220 you're buying vegetables or you're showering. 694 00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:00,270 That's why I like the shower. 695 00:27:00,330 --> 00:27:00,540 You know, 696 00:27:00,540 --> 00:27:02,910 it's such good ideas in the shower because you're just standing 697 00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:06,270 there thinking and we have to store these ideas away. 698 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:10,350 And I remember being in the barn and being surrounded by 699 00:27:10,350 --> 00:27:13,800 so many materials that I had never seen before that I 700 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:15,780 didn't even know what they were even tools. 701 00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:16,050 I'm like, 702 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,010 I don't know what this thing is. 703 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,180 What's this little pizza cutter. 704 00:27:18,420 --> 00:27:20,850 I still don't know what that thing is in my desk. 705 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,320 And you just start storing concepts, 706 00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:30,000 storing crafts and materials in my brain relatives. 707 00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:31,230 And so when they say, 708 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:33,210 Hey, shed hack, 709 00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:34,560 I immediately go, 710 00:27:34,860 --> 00:27:38,100 okay, what has been sitting in my head that would go 711 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,290 inside, said shed. 712 00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:41,250 So meanwhile, 713 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:42,540 that's like the brain Rolodex, 714 00:27:42,540 --> 00:27:44,340 it's sort of this like pinup board. 715 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,020 And then there's the scrap pile. 716 00:27:46,290 --> 00:27:49,410 And I remember being on the show and week after week, 717 00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:53,430 I would walk past this section of the barn that was 718 00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:55,290 just slowly accumulating, 719 00:27:55,620 --> 00:27:57,480 really nice hardwoods, 720 00:27:57,510 --> 00:28:02,940 really nice pieces of ripstop lots of embroidery hoops, 721 00:28:03,030 --> 00:28:04,320 great canvas fabric, 722 00:28:04,350 --> 00:28:06,960 really great durable canvas, 723 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,040 even some steel, 724 00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:09,960 some like tube steel. 725 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,620 And I kept walking past this pile and I would turn 726 00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:14,460 to my makers and be like, 727 00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:15,810 guys, what's all this stuff. 728 00:28:16,290 --> 00:28:16,500 I'm like, 729 00:28:16,530 --> 00:28:17,550 oh, that's the scrap pile. 730 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:18,180 And like, 731 00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:19,890 what? This is a scrap pile. 732 00:28:19,980 --> 00:28:20,940 This is treasure. 733 00:28:20,970 --> 00:28:21,600 What are you talking about? 734 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,130 Like, this is good stuff. 735 00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:25,170 And I was like, 736 00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:30,450 wait, what's the future of all this unloved set aside material. 737 00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:32,790 So that's concluding topic, 738 00:28:32,790 --> 00:28:33,600 number two, 739 00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:34,500 scrap pile. 740 00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:35,520 And so we're told, 741 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,540 Hey, make a shed, 742 00:28:36,570 --> 00:28:37,470 make a space, 743 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:38,820 make your happy place. 744 00:28:38,970 --> 00:28:39,900 And I immediately go, 745 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,460 oh my happy place. 746 00:28:41,550 --> 00:28:43,800 This is about for the first time in this whole show, 747 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,690 we're being asked to create something for ourselves, 748 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,560 not somebody else. 749 00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:47,250 And I go, 750 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,030 Ooh, what do I love? 751 00:28:48,030 --> 00:28:49,200 I love primary colors. 752 00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:50,790 I love the playfulness of red, 753 00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:51,600 yellow, and blue. 754 00:28:52,050 --> 00:28:52,530 And so I'm like, 755 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,610 okay, that's my palette. 756 00:28:53,610 --> 00:28:55,020 So I first paint the walls. 757 00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:55,650 I go, 758 00:28:55,650 --> 00:28:57,150 okay, what else is my happy place? 759 00:28:57,150 --> 00:28:57,660 The woods. 760 00:28:57,690 --> 00:28:59,070 Okay. So it's got to feel woodsy. 761 00:28:59,470 --> 00:28:59,700 I go, 762 00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:03,120 okay, there's some beautiful Palm trees and trees surrounding the barn. 763 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,800 So I have to knock out these windows. 764 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,870 So I cut out these windows and I cut them out 765 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,010 above eye level. 766 00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:11,190 So you only see the tree tops and the blue sky. 767 00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:12,330 So when you look out the window, 768 00:29:12,330 --> 00:29:14,490 it feels like you're much higher than you actually are. 769 00:29:14,850 --> 00:29:15,480 And I go, 770 00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:16,920 okay, I want it to be airy. 771 00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:18,240 So let's create a porch. 772 00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:19,020 Let's create, 773 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,030 I'm going to knock out a side door because I want 774 00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:22,170 people to move through it. 775 00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:23,910 Right. I don't want to dead end. 776 00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:26,040 So you walk in and you turn around and walk out. 777 00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:27,390 I want you to walk in from the side. 778 00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:28,530 You can check it out. 779 00:29:28,530 --> 00:29:30,150 You can go out on the porch and it creates this 780 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:30,870 nice flow. 781 00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:34,920 And I remember filming Amy turns to me before they start 782 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,700 rolling the cameras. 783 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:36,150 And she goes, 784 00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:36,690 oh my gosh, 785 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,640 Adam, we've never walked in on the side before. 786 00:29:38,790 --> 00:29:39,030 I'm like, 787 00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:39,420 what do you mean? 788 00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:39,630 She goes, 789 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,410 we've never walked into the side of a shed. 790 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,970 They've all been from entry. 791 00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:44,920 And that was fun for her to say. 792 00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:46,180 So meanwhile, 793 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,190 the shed itself is starting to take shape. 794 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:50,850 And I start looking at these materials. 795 00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:51,070 I'm like, 796 00:29:51,070 --> 00:29:51,850 okay, what can I do? 797 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,380 Okay. I need a place to sit. 798 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,190 I need a couch. 799 00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:55,150 I have this palette. 800 00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:56,350 That's primary color. 801 00:29:56,650 --> 00:30:01,900 Primary color goes really good with mid-century mid-century furniture and design 802 00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,840 aesthetic. And I love Charles and Ray Eames. 803 00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:05,680 So I'm like, 804 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,610 okay, what would they do? 805 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,560 What would Charles and Ray Eames do? 806 00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:09,880 And so I made a fire pit. 807 00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:12,070 I made it a little asymmetrical. 808 00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:13,900 I made a huge bookshelf. 809 00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:14,650 And again, 810 00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:16,510 with this scrap fabric laying around, 811 00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:17,440 instead of painting, 812 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,690 I just put fabric on the back of my bookshelf. 813 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,730 So it kind of looked like Mondrian. 814 00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:25,630 I love monitory on the painter and it's just starts taking 815 00:30:25,630 --> 00:30:29,200 shape. And the scrap pile like continues to grow as I 816 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,940 take from it at the same time. 817 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:34,450 And so I added trellis and I add this like fo 818 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,560 extruded wall. 819 00:30:35,890 --> 00:30:38,440 And I keep finding these there's some bowls, 820 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:39,490 there's some shapes. 821 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,130 I have extra lamp cord and I just add lamps. 822 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,680 And it was just sort of this analog, 823 00:30:44,830 --> 00:30:47,050 organic growth of like, 824 00:30:47,050 --> 00:30:49,960 I kept finding things and they fit and it worked. 825 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:50,920 And that's, 826 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,270 what's fun about the MacGyver approach mixed with a little mid-century 827 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:56,200 is it's very simple. 828 00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:57,700 It doesn't have to be elegant. 829 00:30:57,730 --> 00:30:58,990 It doesn't have to be too detailed, 830 00:30:59,290 --> 00:31:00,430 but the details that are there, 831 00:31:00,430 --> 00:31:02,320 just make sure that they're thoughtful. 832 00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:03,070 I don't know. 833 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,720 That's it It's really interesting because when we watched the show 834 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,670 and of course they can't put everything on air, 835 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:12,790 right. But you were made some comments on the show that 836 00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:15,070 I understand much better just by your description. 837 00:31:15,070 --> 00:31:17,230 Now, like one of the things you talked about is I 838 00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:18,700 kept going back to the scrap pile. 839 00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:22,090 Well, now I understand better what the scrap pile was. 840 00:31:22,420 --> 00:31:24,160 But another thing you said is, 841 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:24,670 you know, 842 00:31:24,670 --> 00:31:28,090 the doors that you put on your shed that you described 843 00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:30,160 as kind of quilt, 844 00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:31,390 it was actually out of wood, 845 00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:34,660 right? Or that's maybe where you use the rounds, 846 00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:35,830 the frames. 847 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,300 I'm not sure if that's what you use, 848 00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:39,550 but you made the comment about the sun coming in. 849 00:31:39,550 --> 00:31:40,150 You, you were saying, 850 00:31:40,150 --> 00:31:41,680 I just could imagine at sunset, 851 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,800 the sun coming in and reflecting all those colors. 852 00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:49,150 Now I'm understanding it better because you were taking the outside 853 00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:50,860 into your shed as well. 854 00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:52,510 Not it wasn't just the shed itself. 855 00:31:52,510 --> 00:31:56,020 It was the extensions of what would happen with what you 856 00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:56,980 made in the shed. 857 00:31:57,940 --> 00:31:59,350 So I hadn't gotten that before. 858 00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:59,830 So that was, 859 00:31:59,830 --> 00:32:00,700 that's really interesting. 860 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,120 That's a total side personal note from me, 861 00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:08,740 but would it be right to say that you didn't have 862 00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:13,630 the finished product already imagined it continued to be created over 863 00:32:13,630 --> 00:32:17,110 time based on how it started to evolve? 864 00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:19,300 Yes, absolutely. 865 00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:22,660 And you start with a feeling and you kind of build 866 00:32:22,660 --> 00:32:23,170 it out. 867 00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:25,300 And because the shed was so big, 868 00:32:25,330 --> 00:32:26,470 it was really hard to fathom, 869 00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:28,720 like every detail that would go into it. 870 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,450 But you start with the hero moments, 871 00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:32,110 the door, 872 00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:32,710 the couch, 873 00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:33,610 the bookshelf, 874 00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:34,630 the porch, 875 00:32:35,260 --> 00:32:35,620 and you go, 876 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:38,080 okay, now I have moments. 877 00:32:38,410 --> 00:32:39,920 What moment I want within the moment. 878 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,420 Right? Dream within a dream. 879 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,830 Once you get a closer look, 880 00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:43,880 then what do you discover? 881 00:32:43,910 --> 00:32:45,230 Okay. So I walked through the door, 882 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:46,400 what happens now? 883 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,660 And I found this lovely felt also there's beautiful felt in 884 00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:51,110 the barn. 885 00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:54,950 And so I made these really almost like Danish style, 886 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:55,910 like slippers. 887 00:32:56,030 --> 00:32:56,840 It's really quick, 888 00:32:57,130 --> 00:32:57,800 really quickly. 889 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,570 It just stepped on some cardboard. 890 00:32:59,690 --> 00:33:00,890 I made it out of masking tape. 891 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,620 I made a masking tape slipper and then cut it in 892 00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:05,750 half. And then that became my template, 893 00:33:05,780 --> 00:33:06,920 which I traced on felt, 894 00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:09,770 and then made a couple of pairs of little felon slippers. 895 00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:10,490 I'm like, 896 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,870 Ooh, I want right feelings. 897 00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:12,590 Like, okay, 898 00:33:12,650 --> 00:33:14,090 hospitality, that's important. 899 00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:16,220 Well, what makes you feel like a guest? 900 00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:17,630 Oh, slippers a gift, 901 00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:18,680 a gift when you walk in. 902 00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:25,040 And so it was very organic and starting big and hour 903 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,540 after hour seeing, 904 00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:31,100 okay, well what's next and working big to small was huge. 905 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,650 And I think this is a really big point too, 906 00:33:33,650 --> 00:33:37,250 is you don't always need to know where you're going in 907 00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:38,060 the end yet. 908 00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:40,130 You can build it up along the way. 909 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,670 Yeah. We were talking about it for a creative challenge, 910 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,560 but I think that's important overall. 911 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,990 You don't always know how you're going to get there or 912 00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:49,460 what it's going to look like in the eye and you 913 00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:51,470 just know the direction you're trying to take. 914 00:33:51,770 --> 00:33:55,700 Right. That's what I'm hearing from you and how your creative 915 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:59,270 vision built upon itself until you got to the end. 916 00:34:00,110 --> 00:34:03,830 Right? I once met a writer. 917 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,450 I think I was sitting at a coffee shop and this 918 00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:08,030 woman was writing notebook page after notebook page. 919 00:34:08,420 --> 00:34:12,440 And I've always admired story and I would love to be 920 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,130 a writer, 921 00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:13,970 but I've always, 922 00:34:14,390 --> 00:34:14,780 I don't know. 923 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,400 I don't quite understand. 924 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,090 I'm learning. 925 00:34:17,150 --> 00:34:18,230 It's interesting to me, 926 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:19,310 we're Always learning. 927 00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:20,840 Right, right. 928 00:34:21,110 --> 00:34:21,470 And I say, 929 00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:24,080 Hey, what's the best piece of advice anybody ever gave you 930 00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:24,980 when writing? 931 00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:26,060 And she said, 932 00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:27,740 write down everything, 933 00:34:27,740 --> 00:34:28,280 you know, 934 00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:29,660 to figure out what you don't. 935 00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:31,190 And I loved that. 936 00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:33,350 And that applies to what you're saying, 937 00:34:33,350 --> 00:34:34,670 Sue with this shit, 938 00:34:34,910 --> 00:34:36,260 right. Start with what you know, 939 00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:39,140 okay. I know I want this and this and this. 940 00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:41,180 Okay. Now that you've got that out of the way, 941 00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:44,360 what's next and you don't need to know every single detail 942 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,380 to take that first step. 943 00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:46,790 So well said, 944 00:34:46,850 --> 00:34:47,300 spot on. 945 00:34:47,780 --> 00:34:51,680 I'm just trying to get a little view into your creative 946 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,310 mind. And that's what I'm coming from listening to is you 947 00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:56,360 don't have to know the whole thing. 948 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,660 It just new ideas are generated based on what you put 949 00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:00,620 together to a point, 950 00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:02,540 and then you just continue layering it on. 951 00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:05,120 The other thing I was hearing from you is, 952 00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:05,420 you know, 953 00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:08,900 when you were talking about the slippers is you thought about 954 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,680 what the piece or the product or the element would be, 955 00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:16,970 but you also thought about what emotion would that generate, 956 00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:20,180 which adds a whole nother level to what the experience, 957 00:35:20,180 --> 00:35:23,750 the atmosphere or the feeling that someone gets when they're looking 958 00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:25,580 or interacting with whatever you make. 959 00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:29,060 So I think that that's really significant and something worth all 960 00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:31,070 of us thinking about when we're making something. 961 00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:32,990 Yeah. That's fun. 962 00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:34,190 I like how you said that, 963 00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:38,340 what emotion start with the emotion and then work backwards. 964 00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:42,450 You get a certain number of hours to complete different tasks. 965 00:35:42,450 --> 00:35:43,770 Right? Right. 966 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:47,790 Do you always work up to the amount of time you 967 00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:51,120 have allocated or is there ever a point let's say it's 968 00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:52,800 like half an hour before and you're like, 969 00:35:52,830 --> 00:35:54,060 Nope, this is perfect. 970 00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:54,810 Where it is. 971 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,340 I'm going to leave it alone now. 972 00:35:56,910 --> 00:35:58,530 Or do you use up all your time? 973 00:35:59,190 --> 00:36:00,150 It's a mix. 974 00:36:00,210 --> 00:36:05,370 Sometimes I would finish a little bit early one episode. 975 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,680 I finished my hammock chair a little bit early. 976 00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:10,710 And so I ran over to help Chelsea with what she 977 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:11,370 was working on. 978 00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:13,140 And that was rare. 979 00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:15,950 That was rare that I finished early and sometimes I'm working 980 00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:20,340 right up to the clock and sometimes I would add stretch 981 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:21,930 goals, what I'd like to call them. 982 00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:22,650 It's where I go. 983 00:36:22,650 --> 00:36:24,990 Okay. I know I need this in order to have a 984 00:36:24,990 --> 00:36:27,690 successful day to feel accomplished. 985 00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:29,160 I have to finish this, 986 00:36:29,550 --> 00:36:32,520 but how cool would it be if I made this as 987 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,450 well? Right. 988 00:36:33,450 --> 00:36:35,550 So like the slippers that was like, 989 00:36:36,030 --> 00:36:38,370 no way did I need to put slippers in my shed, 990 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,260 but wouldn't it be cool if there was slippers? 991 00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:44,160 And so I think that's where I would always add these 992 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,800 little bullet point footnotes to go, 993 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,470 okay. If I have time at this. 994 00:36:49,470 --> 00:36:52,110 Cause that would be cool in short the answer. 995 00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:54,060 Yes. I was always working up to the clock. 996 00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:57,750 It's interesting how those ideas evolved as you were working in 997 00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:59,250 completing something else. 998 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,300 I've kind of think, 999 00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:03,660 you know how sometimes if you keep going, 1000 00:37:03,810 --> 00:37:04,470 it ruins, 1001 00:37:04,540 --> 00:37:07,320 like you're adding in more than you need for the impact. 1002 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,510 And it actually reduces the impact. 1003 00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:11,820 Like if you just keep adding on and adding on and 1004 00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:12,960 adding on Yeah. 1005 00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:14,100 Knowing when to stop, 1006 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,240 Knowing when to stop. 1007 00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:18,420 Yeah. And I think you said it depends. 1008 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:19,590 Good point. 1009 00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:20,490 Great question. 1010 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,160 The baseball portraits on episode one, 1011 00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:27,960 I was really tempted to paint the faces because I was 1012 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,350 doing really good on time and I had the faces assembled, 1013 00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:33,630 but not yet glued in place. 1014 00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:35,670 And I looked at them and I was like, 1015 00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:36,930 are these too flat? 1016 00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:38,550 Are these too boring? 1017 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,290 Does it look under cooked? 1018 00:37:40,650 --> 00:37:42,090 And I said, 1019 00:37:42,270 --> 00:37:42,500 no, no, 1020 00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:42,690 no, no. 1021 00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:43,650 I think it's good enough. 1022 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:44,340 I think it's good enough. 1023 00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:44,940 Don't paint it. 1024 00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:46,410 Do not paint these faces. 1025 00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:47,610 I'm not a big painter. 1026 00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:51,180 And that was almost going against my own aesthetic or what 1027 00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:52,260 I would like. 1028 00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:52,920 And I was like, 1029 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:53,100 no, no, 1030 00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:53,880 no, don't paint it. 1031 00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:55,290 Don't paint that finish early. 1032 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,230 And just don't overdo it as you said, 1033 00:37:58,740 --> 00:37:59,580 no one to stop. 1034 00:37:59,670 --> 00:38:00,150 And so yeah, 1035 00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:01,230 there were times where you're like, 1036 00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:02,130 okay, I'm done. 1037 00:38:02,590 --> 00:38:05,190 I done walk away And total judgment call. 1038 00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:06,690 Right? Like you might've painted it. 1039 00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:07,590 And it turned out great. 1040 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,170 But there's something to be said for leaving things to the 1041 00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:11,430 imagination too. 1042 00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:13,220 And you've just got to call it, 1043 00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:14,610 you decide one way or another. 1044 00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:16,020 So really, 1045 00:38:16,050 --> 00:38:17,160 really interesting. 1046 00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:19,530 So if we were to sum all this up, 1047 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,940 Adam, what would you say overall about your experience now being 1048 00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:24,750 the master maker? 1049 00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:30,420 I learned to trust my gut. 1050 00:38:31,230 --> 00:38:33,600 You have these ideas go for it. 1051 00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:34,860 And as you said, 1052 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,510 I would get in the way of my own creativity. 1053 00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:40,180 I'd get in the way of my own output and what 1054 00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:45,880 was most unexpected and most wonderful and value from this show 1055 00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:51,460 was realizing that my craft are so simple, 1056 00:38:52,210 --> 00:38:53,980 but they're more than enough. 1057 00:38:54,430 --> 00:38:59,140 And the comments I've gotten since the show has aired have 1058 00:38:59,140 --> 00:39:00,220 been so kind. 1059 00:39:00,220 --> 00:39:02,410 And so many people are saying, 1060 00:39:02,410 --> 00:39:05,170 Hey, this simplicity is great. 1061 00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:05,710 Or, Hey, 1062 00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:06,610 I understand this. 1063 00:39:06,610 --> 00:39:07,000 Or, Hey, 1064 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,470 I resonate with what you're saying. 1065 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,380 And so what I always thought wasn't enough. 1066 00:39:12,010 --> 00:39:12,940 People are saying, 1067 00:39:13,570 --> 00:39:15,340 oh, this feels great. 1068 00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:16,180 And I like it. 1069 00:39:16,210 --> 00:39:18,910 And thank you for being on that show to remind me 1070 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,860 that this is good. 1071 00:39:20,890 --> 00:39:21,550 This works, 1072 00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:22,540 this style. 1073 00:39:22,990 --> 00:39:25,660 And this approach to crafting resonates with me. 1074 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:27,520 And I'm inspired to create too, 1075 00:39:28,030 --> 00:39:29,290 which has been so great. 1076 00:39:29,770 --> 00:39:31,600 Well, your whole image, 1077 00:39:31,630 --> 00:39:35,770 like everything just feels so good about what you're doing as 1078 00:39:35,770 --> 00:39:36,340 a maker. 1079 00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:36,550 You know, 1080 00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:38,260 you've got your heart into it. 1081 00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:42,220 You're using things that you've grown up with that are important 1082 00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:45,100 to you in terms of the environment and all of that. 1083 00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:48,850 You don't have all of the professional tools at hand all 1084 00:39:48,850 --> 00:39:49,570 the time. 1085 00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:52,630 You're just counting on your gut and your skill and your 1086 00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:55,930 style and your personality and all of that. 1087 00:39:56,020 --> 00:39:57,190 Isn't just enough. 1088 00:39:57,340 --> 00:39:58,570 It's fabulous. 1089 00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:01,690 It's the best we each have that in ourselves. 1090 00:40:01,690 --> 00:40:03,340 And then we don't let it come out. 1091 00:40:03,370 --> 00:40:05,290 So you're a perfect example. 1092 00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:07,240 No one else can be you Adam, 1093 00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:10,780 but everyone else has to be themselves and being brave enough 1094 00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:13,420 to show that to the world like you did through the 1095 00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:16,660 making it show is I think a great message for us 1096 00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:17,980 to leave everybody with. 1097 00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:19,360 And you are the example. 1098 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,930 So you are even now a double master maker. 1099 00:40:23,230 --> 00:40:23,830 How about that? 1100 00:40:24,730 --> 00:40:25,210 I love it. 1101 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:25,600 Thank you. 1102 00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:26,850 Reminds me of that. 1103 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:27,940 Is it Dr. 1104 00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:29,980 Seuss recess today? 1105 00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:30,850 You are you. 1106 00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:31,590 That is true. 1107 00:40:31,630 --> 00:40:32,290 That true. 1108 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,400 There was no one alive, 1109 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,630 more you are than you. 1110 00:40:35,020 --> 00:40:36,700 Beautiful. Absolutely. 1111 00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:39,550 And we all need to claim it because if we don't, 1112 00:40:39,820 --> 00:40:41,620 we're not allowing the world to see it. 1113 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:42,880 And just like you were saying, 1114 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,240 you know, 1115 00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:44,200 things that you're making, 1116 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,190 make people happy, 1117 00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:46,600 give them certain feelings. 1118 00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:49,060 If we don't share what we have, 1119 00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:51,790 we're denying people of having those feelings that we're able to 1120 00:40:51,790 --> 00:40:53,590 offer. Yes. 1121 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:54,640 I love that. 1122 00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:55,270 Thank you soon. 1123 00:40:55,570 --> 00:40:57,100 No, I'm Really serious about it too. 1124 00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,160 And that's why I'm so in love with the handmade community, 1125 00:41:00,190 --> 00:41:02,830 because everyone brings something different to the table. 1126 00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:05,560 It makes us feel good and makes us happy and is 1127 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,210 fulfilling as a maker as well. 1128 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:09,040 So it all comes full circle. 1129 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:10,240 So Adam, 1130 00:41:10,270 --> 00:41:12,790 if people want to follow you or know a little bit 1131 00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:15,520 more about you after they've listened to the show here, 1132 00:41:15,580 --> 00:41:17,410 where would you send them online? 1133 00:41:17,950 --> 00:41:19,450 First Instagram, 1134 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,450 most likely Instagram is where I'll be the most. 1135 00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:25,210 Up-to-date that's just Adam Kingman is my handle. 1136 00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:26,860 Just like it sounds okay. 1137 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,010 K I N G M a N Adam Kingman. 1138 00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:33,860 That's also the same handle for my YouTube where I'm starting 1139 00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:35,540 to post drawing videos. 1140 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,990 Cause I just want everybody to be excited to draw and 1141 00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:41,660 to overcome the fear of a blank piece of paper. 1142 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,770 And I'd love to start uploading little maker tutorials on there 1143 00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:46,310 as well. 1144 00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:48,500 So YouTube Adam Kingman, 1145 00:41:48,620 --> 00:41:50,210 Instagram, Adam Kingman, 1146 00:41:50,330 --> 00:41:51,650 and my personal website. 1147 00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:52,970 If it's interesting, 1148 00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:53,420 that's the word? 1149 00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:55,640 A little bit more professional portfolio work. 1150 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,080 That's just Adam kingman.com. 1151 00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,230 Beautiful fun links to explore and some personal, 1152 00:42:00,290 --> 00:42:03,440 I love directing short films and you'll find some other little 1153 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,310 videos on there. 1154 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:06,230 Wonderful. Well, 1155 00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:08,870 all of this information will be on the show notes page. 1156 00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:11,240 So if you're out and you weren't able to capture what 1157 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:11,990 Adam just said, 1158 00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:13,910 make sure to just look at the show notes page. 1159 00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:15,230 We'll have all the links there. 1160 00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:16,370 And Adam, 1161 00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:17,450 I say, 1162 00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:20,240 we all rally behind your YouTube channel. 1163 00:42:20,330 --> 00:42:20,720 Is it up? 1164 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,780 Now? There are a few videos up. 1165 00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:26,570 Now I have a handful of drawing videos and I'll keep 1166 00:42:26,570 --> 00:42:27,770 uploading. Okay. 1167 00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:33,470 So everybody go over to Adam's YouTube account and subscribe to 1168 00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:35,600 it so we can get his subscribership up. 1169 00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:38,600 Okay. That's when we can do for you, 1170 00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:42,920 for you sharing so much with us about the inside, 1171 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,660 behind your maker world, 1172 00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:48,260 and really a lot of beautiful gems for us to understand 1173 00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:50,870 as makers of how we can trust in ourself and move 1174 00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:52,160 forward to great things. 1175 00:42:52,220 --> 00:42:54,050 Just like you've been doing Adam, 1176 00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:55,820 thank you so much for being with me today. 1177 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:56,840 Of course. 1178 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:57,290 Thank you. 1179 00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:58,430 This was wonderful. 1180 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,160 Didn't you just fall in love with Adam from the second 1181 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,110 he started talking so genuine endearing and likable. 1182 00:43:09,860 --> 00:43:13,400 He's also so humble and generous with his thoughts too. 1183 00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:16,640 I'm sure you're with me and hoping that his dream of 1184 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,100 being a Disney Imagineer comes true. 1185 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,030 That'll give us more chances to see his creativity at work 1186 00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:24,740 up next week. 1187 00:43:25,070 --> 00:43:27,980 I'll be sharing with you a resource which can take the 1188 00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:32,510 complexity of doing all the things off your to-do list. 1189 00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:34,070 They still get done, 1190 00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:38,390 just not by you tune in next Saturday to hear more 1191 00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:41,570 about that and as always, 1192 00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:44,030 thanks so much for spending time with me today. 1193 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:46,700 If you'd like to show support for the podcast, 1194 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,860 will you please leave a rating and review? 1195 00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:52,430 That means so much and helps the show get seen by 1196 00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:53,240 more makers. 1197 00:43:53,450 --> 00:43:56,720 So it's a great way to pay it forward and now 1198 00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:57,980 be safe and well. 1199 00:43:58,190 --> 00:44:00,620 And I'll see you again next week on the gift biz 1200 00:44:00,650 --> 00:44:01,850 unwrapped podcast. 1201 00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:05,690 I want to make sure you're familiar with my free Facebook 1202 00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:07,850 group called gift is free. 1203 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:12,410 It's a place where we all gather and our community to 1204 00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:13,610 support each other. 1205 00:44:14,090 --> 00:44:16,250 Got a really fun post in there. 1206 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:17,600 That's my favorite of the week. 1207 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,510 I have to say where I invite all of you to 1208 00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:23,510 share what you're doing to show pictures of your product, 1209 00:44:23,780 --> 00:44:27,020 to show what you're working on for the week to get 1210 00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:29,990 reactions from other people and just for fun, 1211 00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:33,600 because we all get to see the wonderful products that everybody 1212 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,130 in the community is making my favorite post every single week, 1213 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,540 without doubt. 1214 00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:43,800 Wait, what aren't you part of the group already, 1215 00:44:44,460 --> 00:44:47,880 if not make sure to jump over to Facebook and search 1216 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,360 for the group gift biz breeze don't delay. 1217 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,990 Come join us in gift biz breeze today.