1 00:00:00,900 --> 00:00:02,910 Janice Porter: Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's 2 00:00:02,910 --> 00:00:07,050 edition of relationships rule. My guest this week is Amy Shaw 3 00:00:07,050 --> 00:00:09,030 drauf. Welcome to the show, Amy. 4 00:00:09,180 --> 00:00:11,190 Amy Chodoff: Thank you, Janice for having me. 5 00:00:11,250 --> 00:00:14,760 Janice Porter: My pleasure. Amy is one of from what I 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,400 understand, because I don't live there, but one of the most 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,480 recognizable on air personalities and has the most 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,200 recognizable laugh in the Dallas Fort Worth area, one of 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:25,860 Amy Chodoff: them at least 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,580 Janice Porter: been an award winning radio host in North 11 00:00:29,580 --> 00:00:33,780 Texas for 20 years. Wow. That's amazing. First, you were in 12 00:00:33,780 --> 00:00:34,890 news, correct. 13 00:00:35,070 --> 00:00:37,710 Amy Chodoff: I was in news for a very long time. And then I made 14 00:00:37,710 --> 00:00:41,730 the switch to being a show host to be a morning show host. 15 00:00:41,970 --> 00:00:43,500 Janice Porter: So you're the morning show host with your 16 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:48,330 partner, Dave, Dave, and Amy on 570, K, Li F 17 00:00:48,359 --> 00:00:49,979 Amy Chodoff: crime 70k. Ally up and down 18 00:00:51,210 --> 00:00:55,650 Janice Porter: in Dallas, okay. And I'm going to stop there for 19 00:00:55,650 --> 00:00:59,970 a minute because I was thinking when I was going to be talking 20 00:00:59,970 --> 00:01:04,260 to you, I'm going to interview a radio talk show host who does 21 00:01:04,260 --> 00:01:09,840 nothing but ask questions of people that Oh, my goodness, how 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,970 am I going to do this? Because it's, it's like, I started to 23 00:01:14,970 --> 00:01:19,110 have this vision of you on the radio show that you have a I 24 00:01:19,110 --> 00:01:21,150 don't know what they call it in your business. But I know 25 00:01:21,150 --> 00:01:27,090 there's like I picture a, a binder that the producer has, 26 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:30,360 and they're all segmented and into what you're doing any 27 00:01:30,390 --> 00:01:33,870 segment of the show. And that you have, you have to keep a 28 00:01:33,870 --> 00:01:40,170 strict timeframe on what you do. But you have some leeway as to 29 00:01:40,170 --> 00:01:42,270 how you do it. Am I right or wrong? 30 00:01:42,539 --> 00:01:46,379 Amy Chodoff: Well, you're partly right, we do have strict time 31 00:01:46,469 --> 00:01:50,129 restraints, some of our segments are shorter than others, they 32 00:01:50,129 --> 00:01:54,119 can range from the new segment, which is four and a half to five 33 00:01:54,119 --> 00:01:58,559 minutes to a talk segment, that may be three to eight minutes, 34 00:01:58,559 --> 00:02:02,459 depending on where we are in the hour, we don't have a binder 35 00:02:02,459 --> 00:02:06,359 from our producer, we do have, we do have a rundown from our 36 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:10,859 producer, which kind of has each segment listed out in which 37 00:02:10,859 --> 00:02:13,199 stories we're going to do in each segment. But we really keep 38 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:16,289 everything in our computer in the program that we use in the 39 00:02:16,289 --> 00:02:20,309 news program that we use. And that's what we follow as we move 40 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:24,209 through the morning. And that's all stuff that my co host and I 41 00:02:24,209 --> 00:02:28,019 have found the night before, because we do a lot of research 42 00:02:28,019 --> 00:02:31,979 the night before. And then we call it working it up for that 43 00:02:31,979 --> 00:02:35,279 morning. So we can discuss it, we highlight the interesting 44 00:02:35,279 --> 00:02:40,259 parts, we talked about it off the air. So we know maybe how to 45 00:02:40,259 --> 00:02:43,019 start and how to get out of it segment, because that's very 46 00:02:43,019 --> 00:02:45,809 important is how to start it. Because you want to make it 47 00:02:45,809 --> 00:02:49,289 interesting for the listener. And then also you need to know 48 00:02:49,289 --> 00:02:52,529 where you're going to get out of it as well. So you can move on 49 00:02:52,529 --> 00:02:53,579 to the next segment. 50 00:02:53,970 --> 00:02:56,400 Janice Porter: So you know that I'm a LinkedIn trainer and I 51 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:02,400 talk about when I'm crafting a LinkedIn summary or about 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,920 section for a client, I always say you want to start with a 53 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:08,670 hook, and then write exactly what you're talking about. It is 54 00:03:08,670 --> 00:03:10,380 Amy Chodoff: exactly what we're talking about. 55 00:03:10,770 --> 00:03:12,540 Janice Porter: Although you would have a lot more experience 56 00:03:12,540 --> 00:03:16,740 at it than I do. So I'm just fascinated because, you know, 57 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:21,420 I've listened to I listened to talk radio, I have open ears. 58 00:03:21,450 --> 00:03:26,910 And now I listen to podcasts a lot of the time. And similar but 59 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:31,830 not the live feature, obviously. So before I get into your new 60 00:03:31,860 --> 00:03:35,190 world, I just wanted to ask a few questions about are the 61 00:03:35,190 --> 00:03:39,900 radio work world? So is it less stressful or more stressful 62 00:03:39,930 --> 00:03:44,760 dealing with a partner and doing, you know, human interest 63 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,690 in as well as some news than doing all that news that you 64 00:03:48,690 --> 00:03:50,250 did? You are a news anchor, right? 65 00:03:50,460 --> 00:03:53,970 Amy Chodoff: Yes, I like it better because we cover a lot 66 00:03:53,970 --> 00:03:59,340 more topics and my co anchor and I get along really well. He's, 67 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,350 gosh, he's almost 20 years older than I am. And yet we have so 68 00:04:04,350 --> 00:04:08,460 much fun and a lot in common. And we learn a lot from each 69 00:04:08,460 --> 00:04:12,540 other. We don't always agree. Different perspectives, right? 70 00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:16,080 Yeah, a lot of times we do agree, but sometimes we don't. 71 00:04:16,350 --> 00:04:20,370 And other times, we listen to each other's perspective. And 72 00:04:20,370 --> 00:04:23,280 then I may change my mind and say you know what, Dave, you 73 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:27,150 were right. I was wrong at the beginning. And then I have a you 74 00:04:27,150 --> 00:04:29,790 know, a new, a new way of thinking about something that 75 00:04:29,790 --> 00:04:32,100 we've been talking about. We have a lot of fun. We have a lot 76 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:35,970 of laughs We do a lot of, you know, horrible stories, because 77 00:04:35,970 --> 00:04:38,550 there's just a lot of horrible news that's going on right now. 78 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:43,410 We do a lot of tough stories. But we do a lot of talkers. And 79 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,950 that stuff that people would be interested in and finding out 80 00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:50,790 more information about and that's what we really love to do 81 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:56,220 because we get to sort of get into the the weeds so to speak 82 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,720 of some of those stories. 83 00:04:57,780 --> 00:04:59,730 Janice Porter: Can you give me an example of one of those 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,840 Stories. That was 85 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,870 Amy Chodoff: an example of one of those stories I'm trying to 86 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:06,660 think from this morning. Unfortunately, a lot of times we 87 00:05:06,660 --> 00:05:09,900 do so much stuff that when I get off the air, I don't even 88 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:12,750 remember what we did. Isn't that weird? 89 00:05:12,780 --> 00:05:16,170 Janice Porter: No. So that was tough to ask me that I 90 00:05:16,170 --> 00:05:16,620 understood as 91 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:18,240 Amy Chodoff: we do so many things. Let's just like I could 92 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,640 read the weather all day long. And then I asked my husband, 93 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,930 it's gonna rain today. 94 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:32,400 Janice Porter: Brilliant. So Oh, my next question went out of my 95 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:37,470 head because Okay, so, Joe, do you have callers call in on your 96 00:05:37,470 --> 00:05:41,850 show? No, we don't know. Okay. So you're on air the whole time. 97 00:05:42,150 --> 00:05:47,760 Okay, so I do know, I read somewhere that your daughter 98 00:05:47,910 --> 00:05:49,770 went into the family business? 99 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,160 Amy Chodoff: Yes, yes. Reporter as well. Right. All right. Yes. 100 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,490 He's a political reporter for the CBS affiliate in Dallas. And 101 00:05:56,490 --> 00:06:01,080 our younger daughter is now a sports anchor reporter in 102 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,170 Tucson, Arizona. This is her second job. So yes, she went in 103 00:06:04,170 --> 00:06:07,020 the family business and our younger daughter wanted nothing 104 00:06:07,020 --> 00:06:10,710 to do with it. And is a sophomore going to be a junior 105 00:06:10,710 --> 00:06:13,770 at the University of Arizona and she's studying education. So she 106 00:06:13,770 --> 00:06:17,340 doesn't want any part of the family business. But we need the 107 00:06:17,340 --> 00:06:20,820 teacher. So it's Oh, yeah. And she is so good with the kids. 108 00:06:20,820 --> 00:06:23,220 It's unbelievable. She's gonna be an awesome teacher. 109 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:25,890 Janice Porter: That was my first life. I was a teacher. Oh, yeah. 110 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:29,190 Yeah, yeah. But I think it's important that we still have 111 00:06:29,190 --> 00:06:32,610 good people going into teaching, but I love that your daughter is 112 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,670 and she she wanted sports, right? She was Oh, 113 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:38,250 Amy Chodoff: yeah. No, yeah, she wanted sports. She went to 114 00:06:38,250 --> 00:06:40,860 Syracuse to went to Newhouse School, just like my husband and 115 00:06:40,860 --> 00:06:45,660 I did. And just has a passion for everything football. I mean, 116 00:06:45,660 --> 00:06:48,900 all sports, but she loves football, both college and 117 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:49,560 professional. 118 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,950 Janice Porter: Well, there's big space out there. I just saw Erin 119 00:06:52,950 --> 00:07:00,030 Andrews just had a baby. Oh, yeah, I saw. Yeah. Okay, so you 120 00:07:00,060 --> 00:07:05,040 are embarking or have just embarked on a new side gig, new 121 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,640 career, whatever you want to call it? I know that the radio 122 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,190 show probably takes up a lot of your time. I know. It's early 123 00:07:11,190 --> 00:07:15,150 morning. But you said that you do research it as well, later in 124 00:07:15,150 --> 00:07:16,680 the day? Correct. So yeah, we 125 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,900 Amy Chodoff: do, I do. Usually around four or five o'clock, we 126 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:22,170 do our research, because that's when most of the stories that 127 00:07:22,170 --> 00:07:24,330 would be pertinent for the next morning have cleared. I mean, 128 00:07:24,330 --> 00:07:27,240 sometimes there's breaking news overnight. But usually by for 129 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,330 Friday, five o'clock, we can kind of figure out what we want 130 00:07:30,330 --> 00:07:33,810 to do for the next morning. So that's the time that I spend 131 00:07:33,810 --> 00:07:37,620 there. But both my kids are out of the house. So I really have 132 00:07:37,650 --> 00:07:44,970 between 10am and four or 5pm, to do whatever I want. So I started 133 00:07:44,970 --> 00:07:49,890 helping business owners and other clients get their stories 134 00:07:49,890 --> 00:07:53,580 out and tell their stories, because I am a storyteller. And 135 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:57,330 that's what I've done on the radio for 35 years. And I'm 136 00:07:57,330 --> 00:08:02,130 really a quick study at learning someone's business, and be able 137 00:08:02,130 --> 00:08:06,480 to digest that information and then come up with their story, 138 00:08:06,510 --> 00:08:09,870 the business owners story. There are so many stories, there are 139 00:08:09,870 --> 00:08:14,250 customer stories, there are employees stories, and a lot of 140 00:08:14,250 --> 00:08:18,990 people have trouble nailing that down. And that's what that's one 141 00:08:18,990 --> 00:08:22,440 of the things that I'm here to do in addition to writing and 142 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,610 content creation. 143 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:29,100 Janice Porter: So those things make me think of, okay, you're a 144 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:34,080 copywriter a copy for someone's having their website done and 145 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,320 grant the copy done. So that's where it fits in. Or maybe 146 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:42,150 they're, they need their, their, their LinkedIn profile written, 147 00:08:42,180 --> 00:08:43,170 or they need their 148 00:08:43,650 --> 00:08:47,280 Amy Chodoff: bio written find website, or the about us section 149 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,970 for their website, or, you know, I do a lot of ghost writing for 150 00:08:51,810 --> 00:08:56,040 some medical writing companies, where I would actually write the 151 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,960 doctors website, and the intense medical information. So I do 152 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:01,500 that 153 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:03,090 Janice Porter: does not sound sexy to me. 154 00:09:04,170 --> 00:09:09,090 Amy Chodoff: I do writing for attorneys. So basically, 155 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,270 anything that has to be written, yeah, I can do. 156 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:15,510 Janice Porter: So what's your favorite part of that? How did 157 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:18,600 you see like, because you could love writing and still not 158 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,140 wanting to do it as a business. So how did you see that it was 159 00:09:22,140 --> 00:09:24,180 something that would excite you to do 160 00:09:24,479 --> 00:09:27,119 Amy Chodoff: well, I enjoy it. I enjoy the challenge of crafting 161 00:09:27,119 --> 00:09:31,469 something I enjoy getting something down on I would say on 162 00:09:31,469 --> 00:09:34,829 the page, but I do it. I type on my computer and moving it 163 00:09:34,829 --> 00:09:40,079 around. Yeah, it's like a puzzle to me. And it's fun, and I 164 00:09:40,079 --> 00:09:45,329 especially love the bios, because I get to interview the 165 00:09:45,329 --> 00:09:48,959 people first. That's a big thing for me. I don't just take your 166 00:09:48,959 --> 00:09:52,379 resume or your LinkedIn profile and do it from that I actually 167 00:09:52,379 --> 00:09:56,519 set up an appointment with you and interview you and I'm going 168 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:59,129 to ask you questions that you probably have never been asked 169 00:09:59,129 --> 00:10:03,899 before because That's just me. And I'm very inquisitive. And I 170 00:10:03,899 --> 00:10:06,599 love asking people things, and I'm gonna draw things out of 171 00:10:06,599 --> 00:10:10,829 people, and then be able to craft their bio, and they just 172 00:10:10,829 --> 00:10:14,249 come out wonderful. And I really, really enjoy that part 173 00:10:14,249 --> 00:10:15,959 of it. I've been having a lot of fun with that. 174 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:17,940 Janice Porter: Oh, that's good. That's good. Because I love 175 00:10:17,970 --> 00:10:21,030 talking to people and pulling things out of them. And quite 176 00:10:21,030 --> 00:10:26,100 often I hear people say to me, that was really intuitive. I, 177 00:10:26,130 --> 00:10:29,220 how did you even think that, but see, I couldn't put it in 178 00:10:29,220 --> 00:10:31,800 writing, I would just like to talk to them about it. That's 179 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,990 why I'd cast and not writing a book. 180 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,040 Amy Chodoff: I don't know that I have a book in me. You know, I 181 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,400 really don't, especially a biography. I don't think so. But 182 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:44,160 I like I'm really good at writing and other people's 183 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:49,050 voices too. Like blogs, I can write in other people's tone of 184 00:10:49,050 --> 00:10:51,810 voice. And that's hard to do. 185 00:10:52,230 --> 00:10:55,590 Janice Porter: It is very hard to do. Very hard to do, I have 186 00:10:55,590 --> 00:11:00,780 to say. So wait, what was I gonna say? 187 00:11:06,090 --> 00:11:13,710 Something you said made me go off. And then I have a voice. So 188 00:11:13,710 --> 00:11:17,340 Amy, you talked about you didn't think you had a book in you. But 189 00:11:17,340 --> 00:11:20,040 I bet with all the stories that you've heard over the years and 190 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:26,010 the the experiences that you've had being on the radio that was 191 00:11:26,010 --> 00:11:29,610 and you and you have probably a great sense of humor. That's 192 00:11:29,610 --> 00:11:32,700 what I'm sensing already from you that I bet you've got to 193 00:11:32,700 --> 00:11:34,230 Virginia that even though 194 00:11:34,230 --> 00:11:37,020 Amy Chodoff: I have a few stories, my favorite story, can 195 00:11:37,020 --> 00:11:41,130 I tell you my favorite story was when I was working in Orlando, 196 00:11:41,130 --> 00:11:45,270 Florida, and I was the midday anchor for the am station. But I 197 00:11:45,270 --> 00:11:48,510 did Morning News. And I was sort of the co host of the Country 198 00:11:48,510 --> 00:11:52,800 Music Station. Before I went to do my midday news on the am 199 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,030 station. And there was a time we didn't have a permanent host. So 200 00:11:57,030 --> 00:12:01,170 we would bring in all these country music stars. So I met 201 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,650 you name it. I've met them. I've done a show with them. I mean 202 00:12:04,650 --> 00:12:09,330 from Brad Paisley to I don't even I can't even remember the 203 00:12:09,330 --> 00:12:13,740 mall that I've co hosted with. So one of the big co hosts who 204 00:12:13,740 --> 00:12:18,150 came in was Kenny Rogers. Yes. And he has since passed away, 205 00:12:18,150 --> 00:12:23,400 obviously. But this was 20. I want to say it was 20 years ago. 206 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:28,470 And he came in and he's such a he was such a short man, because 207 00:12:28,470 --> 00:12:31,290 I expected he was going to be much taller than he was. And it 208 00:12:31,290 --> 00:12:34,710 was after he had had his plastic surgery. So of course, he looked 209 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:39,360 a lot different than he did before that time. And so we 210 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,820 hosted the show with him. And for some reason I asked him to 211 00:12:44,820 --> 00:12:49,380 sing I'll Island in the Sky, you know, in the stream islands, 212 00:12:49,770 --> 00:12:53,850 Islands in the Stream. Thank you that he sang with Dolly Parton. 213 00:12:54,420 --> 00:12:59,850 And he wrote, yeah, and he's like, come sing with me. So I 214 00:12:59,850 --> 00:13:04,380 start singing with him and forget the words. Okay, and I 215 00:13:04,380 --> 00:13:05,880 was so bad. 216 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:09,570 Janice Porter: That was putting you on the spot, 217 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,540 Amy Chodoff: though. Wow. And then and then he signed, he was 218 00:13:12,540 --> 00:13:15,360 promoting a book that he had at the time. And I still have the 219 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,670 book. And he signed it. And he said, Dear Amy always remember 220 00:13:20,670 --> 00:13:25,170 our song, Kenny Rogers. And he signed it. And it was funny 221 00:13:25,170 --> 00:13:28,170 because I was looking through some stuff a few weeks ago. And 222 00:13:28,170 --> 00:13:32,010 I found it and it just reminded me of that memory. But that was 223 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,430 one of the fun stories of someone really famous that I met 224 00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:37,170 and had a great interaction with. 225 00:13:37,380 --> 00:13:40,260 Janice Porter: So you've been around the country in different 226 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:44,910 markets, correct? Yeah. So how long have you been in Dallas? 227 00:13:45,210 --> 00:13:46,140 Amy Chodoff: 20 years, 228 00:13:46,170 --> 00:13:48,840 Janice Porter: you've been there 20 years. Because I know here 229 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:54,540 there was, in fact, he just died actually was there was this disc 230 00:13:54,540 --> 00:13:58,530 jockey who kind of was when I was a kid. And he you know, 231 00:13:58,530 --> 00:14:07,830 we're moved his way all the way up. To set through all the ages, 232 00:14:07,830 --> 00:14:11,940 I think he was the young DJ that introduced the Beatles when they 233 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:15,990 came to Vancouver. And that goes all the way through. And he was 234 00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:21,600 a legend in his time, basically here. And there's not that many 235 00:14:21,690 --> 00:14:26,430 that have a long career in one place and different stations and 236 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:30,630 whatever, as the markets have changed, but it's pretty special 237 00:14:30,630 --> 00:14:34,200 to to 20 years in one one mark and I was 238 00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:37,410 Amy Chodoff: Yeah, that's really unusual these days. Yeah, there 239 00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:40,410 are a lot of people on the other am station where I work at who 240 00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:46,140 have been there 30 years 40 years. Time. Yeah, yeah. But 241 00:14:46,140 --> 00:14:49,200 people move around a lot, especially in TV. And my husband 242 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,410 has been in TV here 20 years too. So that's rare. 243 00:14:52,739 --> 00:14:56,879 Janice Porter: Yeah. And well, they're not the kind of jobs 244 00:14:56,879 --> 00:14:59,729 where you get like a month's notice either do you you're like 245 00:14:59,759 --> 00:15:01,559 you're Here today gone tomorrow, 246 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,490 Amy Chodoff: ultimately depends on your contract situation and 247 00:15:05,490 --> 00:15:06,180 things like that. 248 00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:09,780 Janice Porter: So I'm being bit naive around that. So with your 249 00:15:09,780 --> 00:15:17,820 storytelling, gift which, which is evident? What's your who's 250 00:15:17,820 --> 00:15:22,740 your most wanted client? Who do you love to work with? What? 251 00:15:22,950 --> 00:15:27,120 Like, is it an industry? Is it a? Is it male versus female? Is 252 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,480 it young versus old? Is it the lawyers and the doctors? Or is 253 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,450 it the creative people? Or do you, you know, do you have a 254 00:15:33,450 --> 00:15:34,050 favorite? 255 00:15:34,590 --> 00:15:37,140 Amy Chodoff: It's, it's really I love working one on one with 256 00:15:37,140 --> 00:15:41,640 people. And I love that moment that someone says to me, oh, my 257 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,810 gosh, how do you do that? How do you fit pull my story out of me 258 00:15:45,810 --> 00:15:48,720 and figure that out, I'm too close to it. A lot of times, 259 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,390 you're just too close to your own story. So you can't see it. 260 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,850 It's staring you in the face. And you're just too close to it. 261 00:15:56,850 --> 00:16:00,270 And it takes an outsider, someone like me to be able to 262 00:16:00,270 --> 00:16:03,780 come in and talk to you and discuss with you and figure out 263 00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:06,330 what your story should be. And then figure out what your 264 00:16:06,330 --> 00:16:10,290 talking point should be, and how you should organize it all and 265 00:16:10,530 --> 00:16:12,750 how you should put it on your website, how you should put it 266 00:16:12,750 --> 00:16:17,520 on social media. And if you you know, are invited to do a radio 267 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,810 show or a TV show how you should sell yourself in that medium? 268 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,240 Janice Porter: That's a good one. That's a really good one. 269 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,470 Because how is it different? So is it different on radio than 270 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,210 something that's in print, obviously, but it is, it is very 271 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:35,580 different meetings I talked about earlier, and said I'm 272 00:16:35,580 --> 00:16:38,370 sorry, was it about not burying the lede as 273 00:16:39,570 --> 00:16:41,940 Amy Chodoff: well, it's that too. But in in radio, you may 274 00:16:41,940 --> 00:16:45,810 have a three or four minute interview, and there's no video, 275 00:16:45,810 --> 00:16:49,920 it's all audio. A lot of times when you call in to a radio 276 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,070 show, it's a different experience, because you have to 277 00:16:53,070 --> 00:16:55,500 listen over the phone. And that's, that's hard for some 278 00:16:55,500 --> 00:17:00,240 people to concentrate. versus being in studio, that's a 279 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,750 different experience to also being on television is a 280 00:17:03,750 --> 00:17:06,450 different experience, you know, you need to know where to look 281 00:17:06,450 --> 00:17:09,900 and, and you need to dress correctly. And you may have a 282 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:14,490 longer time to discuss topics on TV than you do on the radio. And 283 00:17:14,490 --> 00:17:18,390 then in a podcast, something like this is so different than 284 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:22,050 radio, because it's so much more long form. And you can go into 285 00:17:22,050 --> 00:17:26,550 much more detail than you can on the radio where you have to be 286 00:17:26,550 --> 00:17:28,530 very brief and make your points quickly. 287 00:17:28,770 --> 00:17:33,780 Janice Porter: Mm hmm. So I've actually had a few people on my 288 00:17:33,810 --> 00:17:40,080 podcast who talk about story in different ways. The thing today 289 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,160 seems to be not just so much telling your own stories, but 290 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,660 being able to tell stories as part of your content on social 291 00:17:48,660 --> 00:17:51,780 media. Have you come across that? Do you work with people on 292 00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:52,410 that at all? 293 00:17:52,770 --> 00:17:56,130 Amy Chodoff: Yeah, because you have customer stories, people 294 00:17:56,130 --> 00:18:01,470 that interact with your product, your product, tells a story to 295 00:18:01,470 --> 00:18:05,310 write, in many ways. And so you can develop a story around your 296 00:18:05,310 --> 00:18:09,870 product, you have employees stories, and those are wonderful 297 00:18:09,870 --> 00:18:14,220 stories of you know, why does someone work for you. A lot of 298 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:18,180 times, there's a backstory, on why someone works for you, or 299 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:21,630 how long they they've been there. The stories are really 300 00:18:21,630 --> 00:18:25,920 endless that people can use. And once you create those stories, 301 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:31,080 maybe through the written or word or audio or video, then you 302 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:36,030 can cut those up and use them endlessly on your social media 303 00:18:36,420 --> 00:18:38,550 and your various platforms. 304 00:18:39,149 --> 00:18:41,579 Janice Porter: Okay, so I'm just starting, I'm actually just 305 00:18:42,239 --> 00:18:49,049 getting that because I finally have a rhythm with my email news 306 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:53,339 letter that I'm sending out to my list. And I'm trying very 307 00:18:53,339 --> 00:18:58,649 hard to think of a story to put in each week. But it doesn't 308 00:18:58,649 --> 00:19:03,029 come naturally to me. And so what advice would you have. So, 309 00:19:03,179 --> 00:19:08,099 for example, I was so proud of myself because I was able to, to 310 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:12,989 take a story a couple of weeks ago, of an experience that I had 311 00:19:12,989 --> 00:19:16,019 with my little granddaughter, where we took her down to the 312 00:19:16,019 --> 00:19:19,949 park and she wanted to go to the swings in the slides. But on the 313 00:19:19,949 --> 00:19:24,059 way there was this huge mound of sand in the parking lot while 314 00:19:24,059 --> 00:19:27,329 she couldn't resist that because she loves to climb and play in 315 00:19:27,329 --> 00:19:32,489 dirt and whatever and so beeline for the pile of sand off she was 316 00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:37,529 for another 20 minutes playing there. And I liked and that 317 00:19:38,309 --> 00:19:42,449 finally told that story and then likened it to a business piece 318 00:19:42,479 --> 00:19:46,049 around being in the moment and going with the flow kind of 319 00:19:46,049 --> 00:19:49,349 thing rather than just having to do what you set out to perfect, 320 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:53,699 but I don't do that often enough and like what what kind of 321 00:19:53,729 --> 00:19:58,139 things do you have to open up in your mind to be able to do those 322 00:19:58,139 --> 00:19:59,159 things? You know what I'm saying? 323 00:19:59,190 --> 00:20:02,190 Amy Chodoff: I think you need to To be open up to the fact that 324 00:20:02,190 --> 00:20:06,900 and I always like to say that life for me is show prep. Okay, 325 00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:10,680 I go about my everyday life. Yeah. And every, every 326 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,430 experience that I have, in the back of my mind, I think to 327 00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:20,010 myself, is this a usable moment for me on the air? And you can 328 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:23,910 do a similar thing and say, Is this a usable moment for me? And 329 00:20:23,910 --> 00:20:26,580 how can I connect it to something in my business and 330 00:20:26,580 --> 00:20:31,680 turn it into a story? For my newsletter? Yeah, as we pass so 331 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,950 many stories, hundreds of stories every single day, and 332 00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:38,700 you don't even know it, because you're intuitively not aware to 333 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:41,700 it. And once you start developing awareness to that, 334 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:45,209 Janice Porter: I should write them down. When they write them 335 00:20:45,209 --> 00:20:45,899 down, keep 336 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:48,300 Amy Chodoff: a notebook with you write them down, like the 337 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:50,460 experience that you had with your granddaughter. I mean, that 338 00:20:50,460 --> 00:20:53,310 Janice Porter: is perfect. Yeah, that was probably I was pretty 339 00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:57,660 proud of myself, because I need it. You know, it worked. And in 340 00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:04,110 fact, I've had young man on my show, who saw it, who, that's 341 00:21:04,110 --> 00:21:07,140 what he teaches people. And he and he critiqued me on it. And 342 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:11,700 it was great, because it was, it was a good example. And now I 343 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:14,670 just have to do those more often. But I use examples 344 00:21:14,670 --> 00:21:17,400 Amy Chodoff: all the time on our on our radio show of things that 345 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,770 happened to me throughout the day, and so does my co host, 346 00:21:19,770 --> 00:21:22,830 whether it's at the grocery store, or picking up the kids or 347 00:21:23,310 --> 00:21:27,600 whatever has happened over the years. And they turn out to be 348 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,870 the best bits, because a lot of people can relate to them 349 00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:33,120 because they've had similar experiences. 350 00:21:33,269 --> 00:21:35,879 Janice Porter: Yeah. And it's but when they come to you 351 00:21:35,879 --> 00:21:39,839 naturally, when you're on the air, that's, that's brilliant to 352 00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:44,129 like, be able to draw from those things. And I suppose, is it 353 00:21:44,129 --> 00:21:47,759 easier when you're working with a partner, or a harder because I 354 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:50,819 would imagine that would feed you would feed each other? I 355 00:21:50,819 --> 00:21:51,059 think 356 00:21:51,059 --> 00:21:54,269 Amy Chodoff: it's easier because we feed off of each other. And 357 00:21:54,719 --> 00:21:57,119 my partner and I have been working together for 11 years. 358 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:02,219 So we can kind of we know each other's cadences. And we know 359 00:22:02,219 --> 00:22:04,679 when one of us can start talking. And the other one needs 360 00:22:04,679 --> 00:22:07,109 to stop talking. And sometimes we talk over each other. But 361 00:22:07,109 --> 00:22:10,859 that's a normal conversation. A lot of times people talk over 362 00:22:10,859 --> 00:22:14,459 each other, right. So it's okay, I used to have we used to have 363 00:22:15,539 --> 00:22:18,209 some people that would critique us and say, well, you're talking 364 00:22:18,209 --> 00:22:20,969 over each other. But that's part of that's part of life and part 365 00:22:20,969 --> 00:22:25,049 of our conversation. So I think that's natural. And I think it 366 00:22:25,049 --> 00:22:28,679 makes us more real. And that's what we're all about is being 367 00:22:28,679 --> 00:22:29,369 authentic. 368 00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:32,880 Janice Porter: I love that word. I'm totally that way. Exactly. 369 00:22:33,150 --> 00:22:36,510 So speaking of being authentic, actually, I wanted to ask this 370 00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:39,660 question, which I don't know if I have, I don't know if you can 371 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:42,270 answer this question or whether you would answer this question. 372 00:22:42,330 --> 00:22:47,340 It's not even about you. It's about I thought about your 373 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:54,510 husband, you said is a political reporter. Correct? On a TV 374 00:22:54,540 --> 00:23:01,650 channel, CBS, when you are reporting on a certain station, 375 00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:07,050 whether it's radio or television, do you have to have 376 00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:09,600 the same views as that station? 377 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,170 Amy Chodoff: No, I mean, he went, he's a political reporter. 378 00:23:13,170 --> 00:23:18,030 So to him, when people don't know, where he stands on an 379 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:21,810 issue, then he's done his job repairing. Okay, so he's middle 380 00:23:21,810 --> 00:23:25,440 of the road, and he talks to both sides on it. Okay. And, you 381 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,040 know, he is very old school that way. And when I was doing news, 382 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,090 I'm old school that way to a little different now where I'm 383 00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:37,680 more of a host, and I can give more of my opinions. But, you 384 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,880 know, it's sometimes they're, they they lean more 385 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,790 conservative, and sometimes they leave more democratic. You know, 386 00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:46,200 it's just like anything else. 387 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:48,900 Janice Porter: I was just curious, because, you know, we 388 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:53,550 know with the big, the big cable networks, like, you 389 00:23:53,550 --> 00:23:56,670 Amy Chodoff: know, with Fox and CNN and you know, where MSNBC 390 00:23:56,670 --> 00:23:59,550 are coming from, but I think it's different at the local 391 00:23:59,550 --> 00:24:02,790 level, due to local level isn't really like that. 392 00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:08,459 Janice Porter: Okay. Okay. Very cool. So what would you say? Is 393 00:24:08,459 --> 00:24:15,749 your Can you think of the most exciting experience or life 394 00:24:15,749 --> 00:24:20,189 changing experience you had on radio? Life changing? 395 00:24:20,190 --> 00:24:20,640 Amy Chodoff: Wow. 396 00:24:23,579 --> 00:24:26,339 Janice Porter: For someone you really had always wanted to 397 00:24:26,339 --> 00:24:27,929 meet, and it happened or 398 00:24:28,020 --> 00:24:31,650 Amy Chodoff: see, I'm not a big, like, I don't stars don't. 399 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,230 Janice Porter: I don't know. You're not starstruck. 400 00:24:34,289 --> 00:24:36,689 Amy Chodoff: I'm not starstruck. And I've interviewed so many 401 00:24:36,689 --> 00:24:37,589 people. That's 402 00:24:37,589 --> 00:24:39,389 Janice Porter: why you're not starstruck. I like that. 403 00:24:39,450 --> 00:24:43,710 Amy Chodoff: I'm like Barbara Walters, and Diane Sawyer and 404 00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:47,940 Dan Rather, and I make all those people I've interviewed and then 405 00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:51,120 presidents I've interviewed Jimmy Carter, and 406 00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:55,230 Janice Porter: I'm trying to think so when you're doing those 407 00:24:55,230 --> 00:24:59,970 interviews, you're going to tell me there was no sense of or a 408 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:00,450 Um, 409 00:25:00,779 --> 00:25:04,619 Amy Chodoff: maybe with maybe with Barbara Walters and Diane 410 00:25:04,619 --> 00:25:08,639 Sawyer. Yes, they were new people. Yeah, exactly a little 411 00:25:08,639 --> 00:25:12,239 bit of that. And maybe I'm a little nervous, you know, but I 412 00:25:12,239 --> 00:25:15,119 always tried to have fun with it and do my research ahead of 413 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,429 time. So I know what I'm talking about. 414 00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:23,130 Janice Porter: Yeah, I remember back in, when my parents lived 415 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:28,320 in California, and they lived right in the heart of Beverly 416 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,490 Hills, and you couldn't go out on the street without somebody 417 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,140 that you recognize walking by. And I remember back in those 418 00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:41,670 days being very cool about it and not being starstruck because 419 00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:44,670 they're just people. They're just people just like, you know, 420 00:25:44,850 --> 00:25:49,080 and, and to respect that of people. But there were the odd 421 00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:51,900 there was the odd time when I go, Oh, my God, oh, my God, 422 00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,810 there's John Travolta like, you know, back in the day when I was 423 00:25:54,810 --> 00:26:00,090 very heart throbbing, or whatever. But you know what, I 424 00:26:00,090 --> 00:26:03,690 get it. So that's wonderful that but to have interviewed some of 425 00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:06,540 those people, though, that's pretty cool. Like, when you're 426 00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:09,780 interviewing one of the best interviewers in the world, what 427 00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:11,910 do you say to them? How do you why do you ask them? 428 00:26:12,329 --> 00:26:14,489 Amy Chodoff: Right? It's a little nerve wracking sometimes, 429 00:26:14,639 --> 00:26:16,709 a lot of times they come on and they're promoting something. 430 00:26:16,709 --> 00:26:19,529 They're promoting a show or they're promoting a book. I've 431 00:26:19,529 --> 00:26:23,189 talked to Katie Couric, she was promoting her book, trying to 432 00:26:23,189 --> 00:26:26,339 think of some of the other people that I've talked to who 433 00:26:26,339 --> 00:26:31,919 are promoting books. One of the judge not Wynonna Judd. But 434 00:26:31,949 --> 00:26:34,559 who's the who's the daughter? Isn't why No, nine? 435 00:26:35,189 --> 00:26:38,219 Janice Porter: Ashley? We're known as the older daughter. 436 00:26:38,249 --> 00:26:38,639 Yeah. 437 00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:41,940 Amy Chodoff: Why? No, no. Yeah, I talked to her. I think I've 438 00:26:41,940 --> 00:26:45,180 talked to Ashley too. And and a whole bunch of country stars. I 439 00:26:45,180 --> 00:26:45,690 mean, yeah, 440 00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:50,550 Janice Porter: of course, from what you said, so fun. So if 441 00:26:50,550 --> 00:26:59,430 someone's coming to work with you on their story. What would 442 00:26:59,430 --> 00:27:06,240 you say? Like, do they need to bring it usually for their for 443 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:12,690 their, their website, or their book, the writing the beginning 444 00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:14,310 of their book or something like that, 445 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,430 Amy Chodoff: can be for the beginning of a book, it could be 446 00:27:18,030 --> 00:27:21,900 they need, they need the pitch for their book, because they 447 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:26,340 don't know how to pitch it. It could be the story for your 448 00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:29,250 website, because a lot of a lot of websites have the about us 449 00:27:29,250 --> 00:27:32,970 section. And if you look through companies about us sections, a 450 00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:36,000 lot of times their stories of how the company was created the 451 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,670 story of the founders, and almost picture essays, you know, 452 00:27:41,670 --> 00:27:45,810 with pictures or maybe video and, you know, there's there's 453 00:27:45,810 --> 00:27:47,640 so many different ways that you can do it. 454 00:27:51,539 --> 00:27:55,859 Janice Porter: So you like to play pickleball? I do. I wish 455 00:27:55,859 --> 00:27:59,249 that it started before I wreck my knee because I think I would 456 00:27:59,249 --> 00:28:00,869 love playing pickleball I 457 00:28:00,869 --> 00:28:03,299 Amy Chodoff: haven't played in a few weeks because it's been hot 458 00:28:03,299 --> 00:28:06,119 and over 100 degrees here. And there's an inside court, but I 459 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,519 haven't gone yet. And we have an outside court in our 460 00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:12,599 development. And also in their summer they play at like seven 461 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,419 in the morning and I'm on the radio so I can't play. Although 462 00:28:15,419 --> 00:28:18,269 I did get the email today that they were it was raining this 463 00:28:18,269 --> 00:28:22,379 morning. So the ladies, we have this group me chat. And the 464 00:28:22,379 --> 00:28:25,169 ladies, we're going to play it at like four o'clock. So maybe I 465 00:28:25,169 --> 00:28:28,829 can get out there at four and play a little but it's fun. And 466 00:28:28,829 --> 00:28:33,719 I'm not are truly athletic person. And I honestly I do not 467 00:28:33,719 --> 00:28:38,459 like to play tennis. But I'm a good ping pong player. And it's 468 00:28:38,459 --> 00:28:43,649 a cross between ping pong, tennis and badminton. And so 469 00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:47,849 I've just I've taken a liking to it. And it's a great social 470 00:28:47,849 --> 00:28:50,939 activity. And I've met a non a lot of nice ladies and gents 471 00:28:50,939 --> 00:28:52,409 playing. And it's been fun. 472 00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:56,310 Janice Porter: That's great. That's awesome. So I like to ask 473 00:28:56,310 --> 00:29:01,560 my guests a couple of questions off the off of the topic. And 474 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,340 one of them is Do you mostly now? Are you a reader, a 475 00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:10,080 listener? Or a viewer? So do you read books like real books? Do 476 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,340 you listen to books? Or podcasts? Or do you watch videos 477 00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:14,880 mostly, 478 00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:17,040 Amy Chodoff: or to my I'm part of a book club in my 479 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,700 neighborhood. So I don't read as much as I used to read but I'm 480 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:23,310 part of the book club now. So I'm reading a book a month. So I 481 00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:27,780 feel like I'm getting back into that. So that's good. I watch a 482 00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:34,710 lot of Netflix. I don't watch regular TV. I only watch Netflix 483 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:40,920 or Amazon Prime or something like that. And I do not consume 484 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:46,530 podcasts. I'm really sort of quirky that way and I don't know 485 00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:50,130 why. But I've never gotten into it and maybe it's because I'm on 486 00:29:50,130 --> 00:29:54,900 the radio. You know when you've talked for four hours a day and 487 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:57,480 then you come home and a lot of times don't feel like talking 488 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,930 and that's hard for people to understand. But By talking and 489 00:30:00,930 --> 00:30:04,410 listening on the radio, no, I don't right now, but I'm just 490 00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:07,710 talking in general even, you know. Yeah, but I feel like it 491 00:30:07,710 --> 00:30:11,760 takes too long to get to the point. And I'm so used to 492 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,080 getting to the point faster. Okay, that I think that's why 493 00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:19,110 it's it bores me a little bit. Well, I 494 00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:22,410 Janice Porter: guess, you know, it's quite a fascinating field 495 00:30:22,410 --> 00:30:25,830 because it's growing so quickly. I mean, it is it is, right. But 496 00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:30,360 there's, there's real crime, there's stories, there's 497 00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:33,360 interviews, there's so many different types of podcasts, 498 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,000 there's business, there's pleasure. And I've started 499 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,690 branching out a little bit and I'd been listening to while I 500 00:30:39,690 --> 00:30:44,760 listened to a story on cereal, I think it was called One time a 501 00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:47,610 couple years ago, that was fascinating was like an old 502 00:30:47,610 --> 00:30:50,280 radio show with the sound effects. And 503 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,350 Amy Chodoff: there are a lot of good show podcasts like that. 504 00:30:52,380 --> 00:30:53,280 Yes, there are. 505 00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:59,670 Janice Porter: This was called S town. It was about a murder in 506 00:31:00,180 --> 00:31:04,410 Alabama or Arkansas or somewhere. Border from New York, 507 00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:07,890 had been found to come down and help solve this. And it was a 508 00:31:07,890 --> 00:31:10,350 true story. But it was fascinating because the way it 509 00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:14,610 was told it was really good. But then I've been listening to a 510 00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:18,450 lot of celebrities doing podcasts now because I'm finding 511 00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:22,230 that they are naturals at it. And there's a lot of them doing 512 00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:26,580 them and the ones that listen to it some Julia Louie Dreyfus, Oh, 513 00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:26,670 I 514 00:31:26,669 --> 00:31:28,169 Amy Chodoff: love her. Yeah, or you love her 515 00:31:28,169 --> 00:31:29,339 Janice Porter: podcast is called 516 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,629 Amy Chodoff: wiser than me. I really need to start listening 517 00:31:33,629 --> 00:31:33,899 to more 518 00:31:35,579 --> 00:31:38,699 Janice Porter: Clarion and she interviews women who are all 519 00:31:38,699 --> 00:31:42,929 older and wiser than her. Oh, yeah. Pearl brunette Jane Fonda. 520 00:31:42,959 --> 00:31:48,449 Oh, wow. Interesting people. Isabel Allende, Amy Tan, who 521 00:31:48,449 --> 00:31:52,859 wrote the joy love all of these people. And her format's really 522 00:31:52,859 --> 00:31:56,039 interesting, too. So if you ever want to Yeah, she's funny. So 523 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:01,349 fun, but she's got a potty mouth too. And then I've been 524 00:32:01,349 --> 00:32:08,159 listening to one now called smartlace. Jason Bateman will 525 00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:12,989 Oh, I love him. And Sean Hayes, and they I'm laughing in the 526 00:32:12,989 --> 00:32:17,009 car. I'm laughing the entire time. So those are the kind I've 527 00:32:17,009 --> 00:32:20,609 been listening to. And then, you know, there's just so many 528 00:32:20,609 --> 00:32:24,269 options out there. So I just, I was curious. So being curious. 529 00:32:24,269 --> 00:32:28,169 That's the other thing. And the last thing I want to ask you of 530 00:32:28,169 --> 00:32:32,129 my curiosity, that's my favorite word, curiosity. So I like to 531 00:32:32,129 --> 00:32:38,159 ask my, my guests. Do you think that curiosity is innate, or 532 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:42,749 learned? And then part two? What are you most curious about 533 00:32:42,749 --> 00:32:45,329 today? I think that 534 00:32:45,329 --> 00:32:47,489 Amy Chodoff: there are some people that are more curious 535 00:32:47,579 --> 00:32:51,719 than other people. But I think you probably can learn to be 536 00:32:51,719 --> 00:32:55,349 more curious, just like you could learn to do anything. You 537 00:32:55,349 --> 00:33:00,959 just have to be more open in your mind, to the experiences 538 00:33:00,959 --> 00:33:05,219 that you have. I just have a natural curiosity. I'm I'm 539 00:33:05,219 --> 00:33:08,519 fascinated by people's lives, I always have been fascinated by 540 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,869 people's lives, which is why I like to interview people. And 541 00:33:12,929 --> 00:33:19,529 I'm weird. And I read obituaries to Aries too, because I love to 542 00:33:19,529 --> 00:33:22,259 find out about people's lives. So I'll just read the 543 00:33:22,259 --> 00:33:26,069 obituaries. I mean, it's it seems a little odd, but I enjoy 544 00:33:26,069 --> 00:33:30,119 that. I enjoy reading about people's lives. And I love 545 00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:32,249 biographies and autobiographies, 546 00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:34,020 Janice Porter: biographies. Yeah. 547 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,460 Amy Chodoff: I really enjoy that. So when you've read that, 548 00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:42,960 that sticks out. It's been a while since I've reading mostly 549 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,420 fiction in my reading group now, but oh, just of all the stars 550 00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:51,810 I've read, you know, all the Dan rather's of the world, I've read 551 00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:53,790 all those books. Okay. You know, 552 00:33:53,819 --> 00:33:54,839 Janice Porter: what do you reading in your book? 553 00:33:55,890 --> 00:34:00,510 Amy Chodoff: Right now we're off for the month, so nothing. So I 554 00:34:00,510 --> 00:34:03,030 gotta look at the list and see what we're doing next month. I 555 00:34:03,030 --> 00:34:06,450 haven't looked yet. Okay. But we've actually read a lot of 556 00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:09,570 interesting things. And I'm, I'm terrible at remembering names, 557 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:15,930 names of books. But it's really stretched my my brain because 558 00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:20,760 there are things that I never would read. And most of them I 559 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,070 have enjoyed there was one of them. I didn't enjoy, but most 560 00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:25,770 of them I've really, really enjoyed. That's good. 561 00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:27,060 Janice Porter: Because otherwise, to me, that would be 562 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:30,480 a waste of time. I haven't been in Book Club for years, but I 563 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,760 can't read that fast anymore. I'm trying to scribble at 564 00:34:32,759 --> 00:34:34,949 Amy Chodoff: names for Pete remembering names of people and 565 00:34:34,949 --> 00:34:37,409 remembering book names. I don't know why. Well, I'm reading 566 00:34:37,410 --> 00:34:40,320 Janice Porter: our friends book right now. Allah. 567 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:42,690 Amy Chodoff: Oh, yeah. I just read her book. Yeah, I'm 568 00:34:42,689 --> 00:34:46,439 Janice Porter: just in the middle of it too. And so I'm 569 00:34:46,529 --> 00:34:51,149 excited about that. So last words for my audience in terms 570 00:34:51,179 --> 00:34:57,029 of storytelling, your one major piece of advice perhaps about 571 00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,119 helping people write their stories and then also help can 572 00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:00,869 they find you? 573 00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:05,940 Amy Chodoff: Well, everyone has a story. They just need to, you 574 00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:08,550 know, find it and ask. And if you're trying to find your own 575 00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:15,240 story. Sometimes it's good to ask a family member or friend 576 00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:19,230 and say, Well, you know, what do you like about me your what do 577 00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:23,970 you like about my business? Or what's different? How to why? 578 00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:26,610 How is my business different than somebody else's business? 579 00:35:26,610 --> 00:35:30,180 How does it stand out, because you're too close to it. But if 580 00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:34,380 you have a friend, or a neighbor, or someone who's not 581 00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:38,760 as close to it, try to figure that out. Oftentimes, you can 582 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,980 find your story. That's right there. 583 00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:45,210 Janice Porter: We also write, go ahead. When you see it from that 584 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:46,710 other person's perspective, 585 00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:48,990 Amy Chodoff: it's like people have trouble writing about 586 00:35:48,990 --> 00:35:52,620 themselves. Like if someone says, you know, write a bio, 587 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:56,850 everyone freezes. I can't write a bio about myself. And that's 588 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,600 another good tip is talk to you, you know, a spouse or talk to 589 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,800 her friend and say, Well, how do you see me? And then write down 590 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,840 some ideas and then go from there? 591 00:36:07,980 --> 00:36:10,770 Janice Porter: Yeah, definitely. And sometimes I'm afraid to ask 592 00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:14,130 somebody what they think. Yes, it's gonna be completely 593 00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:18,660 different. But no, I'm just teasing. That's great. So thank 594 00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:21,780 you. How can my client you, my audience, find you? 595 00:36:22,050 --> 00:36:27,180 Amy Chodoff: I'm on LinkedIn. Under my name, Amy, and I'll 596 00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:32,490 spell it ch o DROF. F as in Frank, that's Shudra. That's how 597 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:36,180 it's pronounced. Yeah. That's the best way to reach out to me 598 00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:36,900 on LinkedIn. 599 00:36:37,050 --> 00:36:40,290 Janice Porter: Perfect. And if they're in the Dallas Fort Worth 600 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:46,470 area, they're going to tune into radio 570 K, if Correct? 601 00:36:46,650 --> 00:36:51,360 Amy Chodoff: Yep. Or 96.3 FM HD two, or anyone can listen online 602 00:36:51,390 --> 00:36:56,310 anywhere in the world at KLA f.com 5am to 9am Central Time. 603 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,550 Janice Porter: Oh, wow. Yes, of course. The world has changed so 604 00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:00,240 much. 605 00:37:00,449 --> 00:37:03,119 Amy Chodoff: And it's an it's DFW is Morning News with David 606 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:03,509 Amy. 607 00:37:03,810 --> 00:37:07,950 Janice Porter: Awesome. And you want to sign us off. I want to 608 00:37:07,949 --> 00:37:11,369 Amy Chodoff: sign us off. Well, thank you so much, Janice, for 609 00:37:11,369 --> 00:37:15,509 having us. It's been such a pleasure. And so much fun. And 610 00:37:15,509 --> 00:37:18,089 you're a delight and I wish I could interview you can can we 611 00:37:18,089 --> 00:37:19,499 turn the tables here for a little bit? 612 00:37:20,670 --> 00:37:25,680 Janice Porter: Maybe next time? Maybe on another podcast. Okay, 613 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,500 sounds good. Thank you so much. Thanks for being here. And 614 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:33,210 thanks to my audience for listening as usual, please check 615 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:37,290 Amy's LinkedIn profile out and see if she can help you with 616 00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:41,100 your story. Remember to stay connected and be remembered