Welcome back to Millennia Up, it's go time.
Seth:It's go time.
Seth:So why don't you explain what we're doing here?
Jenn:So a couple weeks back, which I mean, in real time, it was like
Jenn:last week, but in watching this time, it was probably two months ago.
Jenn:We asked you to ask us questions that we can answer for you.
Jenn:So we collected a bunch of the questions that we got.
Jenn:Seth and I both picked about five, there might be more than that in there.
Jenn:Might be more than ten.
Jenn:I don't know, total.
Jenn:And we wrote them down, we mixed them around in a little bowl.
Seth:And we're gonna see how far we get, too.
Jenn:And then we're gonna answer them.
Jenn:I have no idea what And we're
Seth:gonna try to stay away from word salad y answers.
Jenn:Yeah, we'll see.
Seth:I think we should think of this more as like a lightning round than anything.
Jenn:Alright, fine.
Jenn:That's fine.
Jenn:Honestly, well
Seth:Like, if anybody's needs more information on these questions on these
Seth:answers, I'm not saying we give two sentence answers, but I don't want to
Seth:spend ten minutes apiece on these things.
Jenn:I don't know what Seth wrote down.
Jenn:I only know what I wrote down.
Jenn:And at least I know that with my questions, they
Jenn:are pretty straightforward.
Jenn:But we'll see.
Jenn:I don't know.
Jenn:Why don't you go first?
Jenn:Seth is like freaking me out.
Jenn:I don't know what he wrote.
Jenn:And probably the hardest part about this is going to be reading his handwriting.
Jenn:Because if you don't know, it's awful.
Seth:It's terrible.
Seth:Ladies first.
Seth:You're answering what you pick.
Seth:You're not going to get that.
Seth:Yeah.
Jenn:We wrote it on post its and we did not put sticky side in.
Jenn:So they're all going to stick to each other.
Jenn:What's your favorite part of your job?
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:So I'm answering the ones I pick out?
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:I'm not even, okay.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:My favorite part of my job, you wrote that very nicely too, for
Jenn:anybody who needs to know Seth's handwriting, as a lefty, favorite
Jenn:part of my job, where do we start?
Jenn:It's genuinely helping people.
Jenn:I've said that before.
Jenn:I've always been.
Jenn:All right.
Jenn:That's it.
Jenn:I'm going.
Jenn:All right.
Jenn:Cool.
Jenn:I've always been in a customer facing industry my whole working career.
Jenn:I work best with people.
Jenn:I like helping people.
Jenn:I like making them feel better than they did beforehand and making
Jenn:a bigger difference for them.
Jenn:So I love getting to the finish line and actually getting them and helping them
Jenn:achieve their goals and using us, helping them with a system to take away anxieties
Jenn:and make it a more seamless process.
Jenn:It sounds so generic and friggin printed on piece of paper what
Jenn:I'm supposed to say, but that's what I genuinely love doing.
Seth:And I do believe that's why so many people are in this industry,
Seth:because I think people like to help other people and they want to try to
Seth:help them with this whole process.
Jenn:But I think I like doing it mostly because I like to note that people are
Jenn:being educated while they're doing it and that I like knowing that I am meant to be
Jenn:in this field to be able to help people because there are some people who are in
Jenn:this industry who don't take that extra time to like really educate themselves
Jenn:and strategize and get creative and who are not really as much like people peoples
Jenn:that they need to be able to get it done.
Jenn:And I like that I am in this industry because I like to do
Jenn:it and it only helps people.
Jenn:that's what I like about my job.
Jenn:Okay.
Seth:That's good.
Jenn:And I like seeing really cool houses.
Seth:Yeah.
Seth:Oh, what is earnest money?
Seth:Look at that.
Seth:That was one that I had for you, but I'm going to answer it.
Seth:This was a question I got.
Seth:Is this your hand?
Seth:No, this is mine.
Jenn:No, that's your handwriting.
Seth:This is mine, right?
Seth:Do you have one in here that says earnest money?
Jenn:Uh, no, not quite.
Seth:Not quite?
Jenn:Not quite.
Seth:Do we need to combine them?
Jenn:No, it's fine.
Seth:Okay.
Seth:So earnest money.
Seth:I got this question on Sunday.
Jenn:And we actually just talked about this two episodes ago, too.
Seth:We did.
Seth:That's why I cut you off.
Jenn:Oh,
Seth:because I was like, I'll talk about too much because I knew
Seth:this question was going to come up.
Seth:So earnest money.
Seth:I got this question, just how it works, why it is what it is.
Seth:And how it works in a real estate transaction.
Seth:So earnest money is essentially a deposit in, I am not an attorney, but
Seth:my understanding is that a contract.
Seth:Needs what's called consideration, which is money needs to be exchanged in
Seth:order to like fully enforce a contract.
Seth:So.
Seth:In the end, this deposit is placed shortly after two parties
Seth:sign an agreement of sale.
Seth:in the state of Pennsylvania, 90 percent of the time, most of the
Seth:time, the money is then held by the seller's real estate agent.
Seth:And what that really means is that it's put into an escrow account, like at an
Seth:office, it's not the real estate agent holding the money, it's their office.
Seth:The only people who can hold the money are brokers.
Seth:And then at settlement, That money is brought by the listing
Seth:agent to settlement and that goes directly towards your closing costs.
Seth:Cause that was the question that came up was like, well,
Seth:what happens to my deposit?
Seth:Like I need that money or I get that money back.
Seth:If you're told that
Jenn:you're closing, if your estimated closing cost are going to be 30, 000.
Jenn:It's not going to be 38, 000 if you put in 8, 000.
Jenn:Yeah.
Seth:So it's basically your closing costs are going to be whatever it is less the
Seth:deposit because the deposit goes directly towards your closing costs at settlement.
Seth:So that was a question that I got.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So if you're closing costs are 30, 000, it's not going to be
Jenn:30 and your deposit was 8, 000.
Jenn:It's going to be 22, 000 left to bring to settlement.
Seth:Yes.
Seth:Exactly.
Seth:So that's pretty much it.
Jenn:It'd be great if the one that I have followed this up.
Jenn:You want to
Seth:answer your own question?
Seth:Yes.
Jenn:This is literally the one that I said, wow, this would be a really
Jenn:good one to follow this up with.
Jenn:And it's the one that I got.
Jenn:What is escrow and why do I have to put my money in it?
Jenn:This was actually meant for, we, I swear to God, we didn't plan this.
Jenn:It's the
Seth:exact same question.
Seth:No, it's
Jenn:not.
Jenn:No.
Jenn:So where I came with this is, so people have asked me.
Jenn:I'm actually more than one person asked me this is with your mortgage payment.
Jenn:So we talk about escrow, it's like deposit, but there's also an escrow
Jenn:account for your mortgage with interest.
Jenn:And the principle going towards a mortgage is say 1, 900, but your
Jenn:mortgage payment is like 2, 600.
Jenn:What is the rest of that money?
Jenn:And like, why is it more?
Jenn:And we say that's your escrow account.
Jenn:People are like what is in that?
Jenn:So, to answer that, so your escrow account, that is the account, so you're
Jenn:paying extra on top of your principal and interest to cover your taxes for your
Jenn:property, so that if you get a tax bill.
Jenn:Then that goes to the mortgage company and then they pay your
Jenn:real estate taxes for you for your property and your school taxes.
Jenn:Unless you're in lower Potts Grove and they have a surprise
Jenn:one that you didn't know about.
Jenn:That's my problem.
Jenn:And it also pays for your biggest ones are going to be that and then
Jenn:your homeowner's insurance is where that also comes into play too.
Seth:Yeah.
Seth:So basically an escrow account, it's the fund that the lender keeps on
Seth:hand to pay your taxes and insurance.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:That worked out really hilarious.
Jenn:I
Seth:got escrow and earnest confused.
Seth:I was like wait, Oh, here we go.
Seth:Why should I pay an agent to sell my house when they are selling themselves?
Jenn:When the houses are selling themselves.
Seth:Oh, when the houses are selling themselves.
Jenn:This was my question that I've gotten from somebody.
Jenn:Are you understanding the question?
Seth:I understand the question.
Jenn:We got to think about it.
Seth:No, I'm just thinking to myself, I'm actually, I was actually thinking
Seth:about who asked you this question.
Jenn:Eh.
Seth:The shithead?
Seth:Which one?
Jenn:It was this one.
Seth:The person who asked this question doesn't really have a full
Seth:understanding and I'm not being defensive, I'm just stating a fact.
Seth:They probably don't have a full understanding of
Seth:the scope of the question.
Seth:Duties that
Jenn:I don't think you know who it was and it was something It was
Jenn:actually this question that this person asked me because their parents
Jenn:will not use an agent to sell houses
Seth:Listen, sometimes you can get away.
Seth:I'm gonna just throw it out there.
Seth:Sometimes you can sell a house by yourself It's fine.
Seth:I actually was having this conversation over the weekend with somebody, and he
Seth:was joking about how he'd always go Fizzbo or whatever, but he was full of shit.
Seth:He was, he's going to use an agent, but he's never going to sell.
Seth:He's like, yeah, he lives with, it's just him and his wife and they
Seth:have no reason to sell anytime soon.
Seth:I explained to him, I'm like listing a house right now is like
Seth:dropping food into a fishbowl.
Seth:I mean, it's like , you, the amount of calls.
Seth:And the amount of logistical headaches that you would have to endure if you
Seth:have a house that's priced right and a good location and good condition.
Seth:It would consume everything that you did for at least a week.
Seth:And then on top of that, most people don't understand all
Seth:the nuances of the contract.
Seth:Like I love Fizbo's because they don't, I mean, not that I would try
Seth:to deceive anybody, but it's not my job as a buyer's agent to tell
Seth:Fizbo the ins and outs of a contract.
Jenn:I had a really bad taste in my mouth too one time when somebody
Jenn:said that they will not buy it.
Jenn:It was somebody who was on Facebook or whatever and they said Oh, no
Jenn:cause they were selling off market and I said, Oh, I actually have a
Jenn:buyer who would like really want that.
Jenn:Can you send me some details?
Jenn:He said I'm not working with an agent.
Jenn:I said, Oh, yeah.
Jenn:If you don't want, I said first of all, if you want me to double represent,
Jenn:like I can talk to you about that.
Jenn:If you don't wanna use an agent, that's perfectly fine.
Jenn:I'm happy to just help you with doing the transactional stuff.
Jenn:If you don't want me involved at all, that's also fine.
Jenn:I'm not telling you to use me, I'm just saying I have a buyer who
Jenn:would like to have it and he did not want a buyer to be represented.
Jenn:And I was like, that's shady.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Cause okay.
Jenn:So you want to prey on somebody else and just be able to take advantage of them.
Jenn:And so they can't be represented and to be able to be told, no, that's not right.
Jenn:Or no, that's not fair.
Jenn:I didn't like that.
Seth:Yeah.
Seth:And so I think that there's a underestimation, even in this
Seth:market, I would say it's like.
Seth:30 days worth of activity shoved into three.
Seth:I'm like just short of sending my family out of town when I have a
Seth:listing that's really, I'm on the phone all day answering questions.
Seth:I keep sellers asses out of a sling with the disclosure and
Seth:trying to navigate negotiating and answering questions the right way.
Seth:But all the lead up to a lot of listing agents or buyers agents, like I can tell
Seth:you, I can walk in and you pay me for my advice on what buyers are going to want.
Seth:I had a seller just earlier in the year and she's just I'm just
Seth:amazed at what we got for the house.
Seth:The process was so smooth and everything like that.
Seth:And I said, listen, you did everything I told you to do.
Seth:And we worked for four months to get that property on the market.
Seth:And it was a home run.
Seth:We had multiple offers and the house was not like HDTV ready.
Seth:It was old.
Seth:It had a lot of deferred maintenance, but it was in the right
Seth:market and it was priced great.
Seth:And I would just say, just be sure that you're not leaving
Seth:any money on the table by
Jenn:You so are.
Jenn:Even in any market.
Jenn:I'm sorry, but I know you're supposed to be answering this
Jenn:question, and I know I wrote it.
Jenn:But if you're selling yourself without an agent, you are, like,
Jenn:sure, you can throw it up on the local homes for sale sites and whatever.
Jenn:And that's fine.
Jenn:But like that, is that really where the serious buyers are?
Jenn:It's not going into the MLS.
Jenn:It's not getting sent out to the people who are actually like qualified and
Jenn:working with a buyer's agent who are actually serious about purchasing.
Jenn:And you get, my favorite is the neighbors that say, Oh, I'll buy the house.
Jenn:But then they like lowball
Seth:you.
Seth:And there's so many guys who are like, I'll buy your house.
Seth:If you ever sell, just let me know.
Seth:I'll buy it.
Seth:I think almost, it almost never works out.
Seth:Yeah.
Seth:That's bullshit.
Seth:I would just say definitely be sure you know what you're getting
Seth:yourself in for and you'll never know if you lost yourself money.
Seth:There's a lot of guys who'll sit there, Oh, I sold my house on my own.
Seth:It's , so
Jenn:the neighbor sells and uses an agent and
Seth:50, 000 more than what that guy got.
Seth:So I can appreciate this question though, in some respects, because I've podcast
Seth:that people are off doing their own thing.
Seth:And they're really, I'm sure they're good at their accountants and
Seth:plumbers and everything like that.
Seth:And they, they don't know what they don't know.
Seth:And it's just, it's easy for people to be like, Oh, it's easy.
Seth:It's ah, just put a sign along and everyone comes in and
Seth:I get to pick my buyer, but
Jenn:it can be very overwhelming too.
Jenn:It can be overwhelming.
Jenn:You'll get frigging, I do this for a living and I'm overwhelmed.
Seth:I do this for a living and it's like, it hijacks.
Seth:Because
Jenn:in this, like you can't just like always go, you might be able to get it
Jenn:up on Zillow or something maybe, but If somebody, if they see like a for sale
Jenn:thing, they can't always find it online.
Seth:No,
Jenn:it's hard to even find your house and be able to
Seth:exposure.
Seth:And the other thing that a lot of people don't realize is that
Seth:brokerages pay for premier placement on these silos and all these sites.
Seth:And it's like, you put your little Fizbo on there.
Seth:Trust me, it'll go up, but, and you might list it and it's there
Seth:for a little bit, but it just gets lost in the sauce because.
Seth:You've got remaxes and callbackers and KWs and compasses of the world
Seth:paying for that premier placement.
Seth:So that's another good point, but all right, let's go to the next one.
Jenn:Do I have to be a U.
Jenn:S.
Jenn:citizen to buy a home?
Jenn:Triggered.
Seth:Triggered.
Jenn:Are you thinking about what I'm currently thinking?
Jenn:You're an
Seth:ITIN expert.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:Yes, I am.
Jenn:Unfortunately, no, it was a fantastic learning experience.
Jenn:No, you do not, but there is, you do have to have an ITIN number at least.
Jenn:It's something to talk to a lender about and see what programs are available.
Jenn:So you can, it will cost you a lot more cash out of pocket though.
Seth:Yes.
Seth:You won't get as good of a rate.
Seth:Not every lender is going to be able to have the loan product to do it.
Seth:If you are not an American citizen or a US citizen or have some other
Seth:kind of pretty solid classification.
Seth:you're not going to be underwritten by what a normal American
Seth:citizen would be the entity.
Seth:So Fannie and Freddie, which are like the two, they service, I think 90 percent
Seth:of the loans in this country, you are going to have to go all off market.
Seth:And it's basically, it's called a non QM loan.
Seth:And you essentially, God, what did she pay?
Seth:What did it was 10 percent 10.
Seth:75 percent
Jenn:interest rate,
Seth:interest rate.
Jenn:Yeah.
Seth:It was something like that.
Seth:Yeah, so it's a higher risk.
Seth:Yeah.
Seth:But yes.
Seth:And it's something
Jenn:to be very, very, very, very upfront about, too.
Jenn:And I don't mean just saying it's the lender once.
Jenn:Multiple times before you hand in any information.
Jenn:This is it actually happened, I don't know if I told you, this happened to a friend
Jenn:of mine, too, whose wife is not a U.
Jenn:S.
Jenn:citizen because she's from Australia.
Jenn:It was a hellish experience for them, too, on the lending side
Jenn:because they did not hear them out.
Jenn:about what they were looking to do and that she couldn't be on the loan and
Jenn:that ended up costing them like, Oh my God, like tens of thousands more.
Jenn:So short answer, yes, you can.
Jenn:But if you are going to make sure that you're doing your research into
Jenn:programs, who offers them and that.
Jenn:And the one that we had was they went to a lender because of an
Jenn:advertisement for this ITIN loan program.
Jenn:Told them about it and the person because it was just like a paid
Jenn:lead on the company's ends like they were like yeah, yeah, sure.
Jenn:And then like just approved them FHA for I still couldn't even tell you what reason.
Jenn:And it just jumbled everything up.
Jenn:So make sure that things look like.
Seth:Four months to close it.
Seth:So it
Jenn:did, it closed.
Jenn:We got there.
Seth:Oh yeah.
Seth:We got it done.
Seth:It took two lenders and four months and a lot of contract extensions.
Seth:And
Jenn:our lender is the one who ended up getting it.
Jenn:And our lender
Seth:was the one that's the reason why we work with our lender and
Seth:not just some guy off the street.
Seth:And also I would say if you are going to investigate this, if you're listening
Seth:and you don't live in our market.
Seth:Definitely go with a more niche, smaller bank because these big banks
Seth:really, they offer this stuff, but they don't need to process these loans.
Seth:They don't need the risk profile in their mortgages.
Seth:So
Jenn:it's going to cost a lot more money,
Seth:but it can happen.
Seth:And don't discount the idea.
Seth:Also between that, there's also student visas.
Seth:There's the HB one visa.
Seth:There's a lot of different working visas that people can work with.
Seth:So it just depends on doing your due diligence and making sure that you're
Seth:crystal clear on what your immigration status is now and what it will be.
Seth:If you've, I think there's a different, there's a nuance with.
Seth:If you actually have applied for citizenship, there's
Seth:there's different stuff.
Seth:So yeah,
Jenn:just do not withhold anything.
Jenn:Don't like keep any information to yourself about it, throw everything out
Jenn:on the table and make sure that it's something that they can actually do.
Jenn:Cause they will find out.
Jenn:And I had
Seth:a long conversation with our lender and there's a understandable
Seth:hesitancy to just open up all your personal business to an American lender.
Seth:Like we get it.
Seth:But if you want to be able to own a home in this country, you're going to have to
Seth:play ball with the banking institutions.
Seth:They're going to give you the money to do it.
Seth:All right.
Seth:What do we got?
Seth:Oh, I got another Nusky question.
Jenn:Let's see what we
Seth:got.
Seth:Why would I give up my 3 percent interest rate?
Seth:Somebody asked you this?
Seth:Or how many thousands of people asked you
Jenn:that?
Jenn:How many thousands of people have asked me this?
Jenn:We did get into it last episode, so.
Jenn:We did.
Jenn:We recorded three episodes right before this one, and we're finding
Jenn:that we answered some of these things.
Jenn:If you didn't watch them, then here you're getting answers now.
Jenn:And if you want to watch them, go watch them.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Or listen to them, whatever.
Seth:Just go back and watch them and listen to them anyway.
Jenn:Yep.
Seth:It's good.
Seth:So why would I give up my 3 percent interest rate?
Seth:I'll parrot what I said before, is that there's more to life
Seth:than just an interest rate.
Seth:Now, I wouldn't try to quote sell somebody to take a 7 percent interest rate for an
Seth:extra bedroom, but there are times when I think people are drinking the sand on
Seth:a house that doesn't really serve them.
Seth:It's not necessarily ever was supposed to be their forever home.
Seth:The house is too big.
Seth:It's not in the right school district, the house is like weird, it's unique,
Seth:it's in a niche kind of market, I think there's a lot of reasons why you would
Seth:give it up, I think also somebody could sell a house for 3%, take a 6 percent
Seth:rate and wait for interest rates to come down, because interest rates will
Seth:come down, people don't understand like, Right now, interest rates are
Seth:hovering in that high six to seven area.
Seth:They are going to come down one way or another, either they're going to come
Seth:down at the Fed's discretion or an economy will force them to come down.
Seth:So I think that people need to see the forest through the trees.
Seth:They need to see that there's more to life than just a low mortgage payment.
Seth:Again, I'm not going to tell people that they should just do it because it's
Seth:fun or the reward has to outweigh the interest rate, but I think there's going
Seth:to be a lot of people in the next, in the coming two years that are going to have
Seth:a hard time grappling with that question.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:What is a home appraisal and why is it important?
Jenn:Huh.
Jenn:As much as we like to give appraisers shit, as the bad guy, they help keep
Jenn:the real estate market from going absolutely insane and inflated.
Jenn:Even though it might appear as if it has over the past couple of years,
Jenn:because it has, but we also do, we can find a lot of things for that, but the
Jenn:appraiser basically Let me back up.
Jenn:What is an appraiser?
Jenn:Or what is an appraisal?
Jenn:Appraisal is what is executed by an appraiser to assess
Jenn:the value of the house.
Jenn:When you get the appraisal, it goes back to underwriting with the lender,
Jenn:and it'll tell the lender how much the bank will be permitting to lend.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:Did I cover that correctly?
Jenn:Sure.
Jenn:Adequately for yourself?
Jenn:And why is that?
Seth:You
Jenn:mean that you mean appraisals don't get you super wired and not
Seth:when we're talking in the abstract, I certainly pay attention to them when I,
Jenn:uh, yes.
Jenn:So it's pretty much one of the biggest hurdles.
Jenn:Make sure.
Jenn:So usually during a transaction, if there's two or else you want to get
Jenn:past before it's, you're pretty much like in the clear versus inspections.
Jenn:If you got them second is appraisal.
Jenn:So once you clear your appraisal, so if you're say you offered 400,000 for the
Jenn:house, and it appraises for 415,000.
Jenn:Congratulations.
Jenn:You now have $15,000 worth of equity in your house right off the bat because it's
Jenn:worth more than you're buying it for.
Jenn:So that's awesome.
Jenn:So that would be a high appraisal.
Jenn:We love those.
Jenn:They're more if you are in far between.
Jenn:Then there's a low appraisal, which is where negotiation is
Jenn:going to have to come into play.
Jenn:And if you get a low appraisal, that means if you offered $400,000 and
Jenn:that's what you're under contract for.
Jenn:And it appraises for say like $390,000 there is $10,000 that you need to
Jenn:decide what you're going to do about it.
Jenn:So the bank will only put through a loan based off of a $390,000 value.
Jenn:So that doesn't mean that they will loan $390,000 depending on how much you're
Jenn:putting down and what program you have.
Jenn:There's $10,000 that you need to figure out.
Jenn:So some of the things you do, you go back to the listing agent.
Jenn:You can either negotiate to, ideally it would be the best if
Jenn:you just bump the sale price down.
Jenn:To 390 to what the value is, wash your hands, be like, okay,
Jenn:sweet, done, figure that out.
Jenn:Next, the seller does not have to agree to it.
Jenn:And if you cannot come to terms, then that falls under your mortgage contingency,
Jenn:which is the pretty much like the last contingency holding into your contract.
Jenn:And if you get a low appraisal, you guys don't come to terms, then you can
Jenn:walk away from the house and walk away from the deal, get your deposit back.
Jenn:Or you can do, you can either just come with that extra 10, 000 cash at
Jenn:settlement to make up the difference.
Jenn:It doesn't go towards the equity, but with that amount, give it like a year,
Jenn:you're going to earn that back with what it's going to end up being worth.
Jenn:So you can come with the full amount or you can meet in the middle somewhere
Jenn:and say either you can bump the sale price down and maybe 395 and then
Jenn:you come with an extra 5, 000 or you can just keep it at 300, 000 and then
Jenn:both of you pay 5, 000 at closing.
Jenn:But yeah.
Jenn:There are ways around it and ways to negotiate it, but it is important to
Jenn:prevent you from overpaying for the house and keeping the market at least
Jenn:somewhat stable across the board.
Seth:Okay.
Jenn:Cool.
Seth:So appraisal and why it's important?
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:Did you get another one for me?
Seth:Why are HOA fees so high?
Seth:Didn't we have this?
Seth:Who asked this?
Seth:This is something that came across the One of
Jenn:my friends.
Jenn:One of my friends that I haven't heard from in a while.
Seth:Well, it's good.
Seth:Yeah.
Seth:It's good.
Seth:People are coming to us for the information, which is the right move.
Seth:Why are HOAs fees so high?
Seth:First of all, high is relative.
Jenn:Hmm.
Seth:I always advise my buyers, you need to understand what
Seth:you're getting for your HOA fee.
Seth:And a lot of times, the amenities are there, you understand, you got a pool,
Seth:you got a playground, you got a clubhouse, big, you got lots of common area, or the
Seth:HOA covers a lot about the exterior house.
Seth:So a lot of times what will happen is buyers don't understand the
Seth:difference between a condo and an HOA.
Seth:So an HOA is essentially like a planned.
Jenn:You want to define HOA.
Seth:HOA is a homeowner's association.
Seth:And essentially what that is it's a bunch of deeded lots in a grouping and
Seth:they all are in the same community.
Seth:Usually what that really means is that there are common elements to the
Seth:property and the community itself that everyone has to pitch in to take care of.
Seth:So it can be as simple.
Seth:I've seen stuff as like a hundred dollars a year.
Seth:And it's literally just maintaining a drainage.
Jenn:My friends is like 79 or like 78 a year or a month, something like that.
Seth:Basically your HOA fee, your homeowner's association fee
Seth:needs to be commensurate with whatever is being maintained.
Seth:So the condos, which are not HOAs, but they're the same thing, a condo building.
Seth:Whether it's a high rise in the city, or if it's just a sprawling community
Seth:in the suburbs, condos, usually the fees are higher because you're taking
Seth:care of the exterior, the roofs, lots of sidewalks, there's more density, a lot
Seth:of times these condo associations, they have pools, they've got hot lots, they've
Seth:got clubhouses, that type of thing.
Seth:So
Jenn:if it's a condo to keep in mind, it's say the roof
Jenn:isn't your responsibility.
Jenn:It's like just financing in a cost of if the roof ever has to be replaced, like
Jenn:that's a cost that you don't have to pay.
Seth:A lot of times, a lot of times too in condos is that you don't pay water.
Seth:You don't pay gas.
Seth:You don't pay utilities because if the water line is all coming and
Seth:the heater is all servicing multiple units, instead of cutting that all
Seth:down to into eight pieces every month, it's easier to collect the fees.
Seth:They just collect the fees and then they just pay the gross amount.
Seth:It's an interesting question.
Seth:I always dive in and make sure that you're getting the value.
Seth:The other thing to keep in mind is that sometimes an HOA fee that doesn't have
Seth:a lot of maintenance, a lot of things maintain, and the fee is still high.
Seth:They are raising money for a capital improvement.
Seth:Keep in mind HOA and condo boards, who are the people who run
Seth:these, it's just the residents.
Seth:They're off doing their own professionals and something else.
Seth:Without a good management company, a lot of times what will happen is an HOA or a
Seth:condo association will fall behind in the amount of money they need to maintain that
Seth:roof, or to replace the sewer lines, or re gunite the pool, or redo the clubhouse.
Seth:That rate, every month, will be inflated because they've
Seth:got to catch up, so to speak.
Seth:That's why, but most HOAs are pretty equitable for what you get.
Seth:And I think a lack of understanding about what these fees actually
Seth:go towards is the biggest.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So pretty much to say, why are they so high?
Jenn:That's something you would want to ask and also define what your
Jenn:def, what do you think a how is?
Jenn:It's too high for an HOA fee.
Seth:A non high rise building, or for an HOA, not a condo?
Seth:Yeah,
Jenn:HOA.
Seth:HOA without a pool?
Jenn:Mm hmm.
Seth:That's the other thing a lot of people are like, HOA, so, and I
Jenn:I see more HOA communities without pools than I do with.
Seth:Yeah, exactly.
Seth:But a lot of times, if your agent doesn't know there's a pool in the a lot of
Seth:times you can pool into a community.
Seth:You don't even pass by the pool with the clubhouse and the buyer has no idea.
Seth:And they're like what the hell are we paying?
Seth:All this
Jenn:first of all, before I even am showing anybody a property, if it's in
Jenn:an HOA fee, I'm in an HOA community.
Jenn:I'm finding out what the HOA covers because that's going
Jenn:to be the first question.
Seth:Well, that's because you're Jen Musky.
Jenn:That's because I'm Jen fucking Rusk.
Seth:But in the end, I would say a non pool non having to take
Seth:care of the exterior of homes.
Seth:I don't know, but probably, but Once you get past like 250.
Jenn:Yeah.
Seth:That gets to be like, okay, what am I paying for?
Seth:If I'm
Jenn:paying like 3350 a month, you better be cutting my lawn.
Seth:Well, they're going to cut your, yeah, I would say, yeah, if they're
Seth:even at two 50, I would say, and really what I mean by HOA, like that's really
Seth:for like townhouse communities, you'll get where if you have single family
Seth:homes, it'll probably be closer if it's two 50, there better be a pool
Seth:or something going on in there because usually you have to mow your own lawn
Seth:and take care of your own lot and they just have to take care of common areas.
Seth:Now, the more rural you get.
Seth:The more like acreage they have to mow is common area.
Seth:And a lot of times the township requires it cause they have to maintain
Seth:the drainage swales and all that.
Seth:It can be all over the map, non high rise condo.
Seth:I think once you pass three 5, 400, I think you got to really
Seth:start looking at what the hell?
Jenn:God, I'm looking at some in the fit in the city right now for a client
Jenn:and some of those condo fees, man.
Jenn:Woo.
Jenn:Like we're keeping it under.
Jenn:I think we're capping it at 700 a month in condo fees.
Jenn:And I've seen some that are like, I wish our MLS would let us like
Jenn:cap, like with condo slash HOA fees up to whatever I can't.
Jenn:So I have to like manually filter those out.
Jenn:But there are some for Oh my God, I think the most I saw
Jenn:for condo fee was, Like 1, 100.
Seth:Yeah.
Seth:Yeah.
Seth:You can get some, you can get stuff on the main line too.
Seth:They're like, that's really expensive.
Seth:But a lot of times they're, they've got like real infrastructure issues.
Seth:They got to maintain, there's
Jenn:a doorman and
Seth:yeah.
Seth:And there's just old, like just old pipes and they got to replace
Seth:all the electric or they got to replace all this, that or the other.
Seth:The other thing in high rise condos, people don't think about
Seth:elevators, super expensive.
Seth:Cause not a lot of people do them.
Seth:That's a big nut.
Seth:It's like the
Jenn:one I was thinking of too, on top of it has a rooftop pool.
Seth:So that'll definitely add to it.
Seth:Keep in mind, a lot of these HOA fees, insurance, liability insurance for
Seth:people slipping and falling on the elements that the HOA is responsible for.
Seth:A little fun fact, when you buy in an HOA or condo, the lender has to
Seth:contact the association to make sure there's no litigation that exceeds
Seth:their general liability policy.
Seth:Hmm.
Seth:Because That I didn't know actually.
Seth:Yeah if there's a slip and fall.
Seth:And they've got a limited liability policy of a million bucks and
Seth:they're being sued for two million.
Seth:The insurance company only covers a million.
Seth:Where's the other million coming from?
Seth:It's coming from the residents.
Seth:So the lender wants to know, is there going to be a special assessment
Seth:based on a loss in this litigation?
Seth:Well, fun fact.
Jenn:Okay.
Seth:All right.
Seth:So you can tell your friend, just there it is.
Seth:Ask Jen.
Jenn:All right.
Jenn:Last one.
Jenn:Why did my mortgage payment go up?
Jenn:Aren't they supposed to stay the same?
Jenn:My friend asked me this.
Jenn:Great question.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:So you buy a house because you never have to worry about your
Jenn:rent going up an unpredicted amount
Jenn:At any point in time, my friend's mortgage payment ended up going
Jenn:up and he did not expect that.
Jenn:I believe we had the conversation,
Jenn:when you're going through a home buying experience, there's so much
Jenn:information coming at you that like, Your brain doesn't absorb all of it.
Jenn:If you have not purchased yet and you will at some point, or if you currently
Jenn:own, then listen to this because this is something that does happen that shouldn't
Jenn:fly under your radar and to be expected.
Jenn:So your mortgage payment can change.
Jenn:It can go up typically not drastically though.
Jenn:So if you notice your mortgage payment go up, it would be
Jenn:because your taxes went up.
Jenn:So I just don't know.
Jenn:I just got done telling you about escrow account and what gets paid from that.
Jenn:So sometimes if they haven't pulled enough money into your escrow account
Jenn:to cover all the taxes, then they will increase your mortgage to cover
Jenn:the cost of the taxes is one reason.
Jenn:It could also be that your homeowner's insurance may have
Jenn:gone up because of claims.
Jenn:Those are really like the two biggest reasons that they would unless there is
Jenn:like a special assessment that's done where the township needs to get something
Jenn:done for whatever reason, the funding doesn't cover it, but then they go to
Jenn:the residents to have to pay for that.
Jenn:So those are a few things, a few reasons why, but like I said,
Jenn:it's not typically drastic.
Jenn:Like my mortgage payment just went up maybe I think it was like 40 a month
Jenn:for a 50 a month for the next 12 months.
Jenn:So it goes up, but it's not like it's gonna change.
Jenn:No
Seth:landlord raises your rent 40.
Seth:It's always a $100
Jenn:right?
Jenn:I never have to worry about getting displaced out of my house
Seth:Yeah.
Seth:That is the other thing a lot of people don't talk about is that
Seth:unless you just don't stop paying your mortgage all together, no one
Seth:can take your house away from you.
Seth:So we help a lot of people who you know, they're getting a rent raised
Seth:all the time and then it says oh by the way Oh, yeah, we're gonna sell it
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:Your mortgage payment can change.
Jenn:That can be why.
Jenn:It doesn't have to do with your interest rate though.
Jenn:So typically that'll be fixed.
Jenn:And if you ever have questions about why your mortgage payment
Jenn:changed, then you just read out.
Jenn:Reach out to your mortgage company.
Jenn:Yep.
Jenn:And they will be able
Seth:to sell you.
Seth:One thing also to keep in mind is that sometimes they'll do
Seth:one higher payment for a makeup.
Seth:So instead of raising it incrementally, they'll just do okay, we need to
Seth:replant it because your taxes went up.
Seth:So they'll be like, okay, instead of paying, 2200, you're going to
Seth:pay 2475 or something like that.
Seth:Just to make, to make sure that they have, cause they have to keep a
Seth:certain amount of money in the escrow account for based on the terms and
Seth:conditions of which that loan is sold.
Seth:Meaning like your lender sells it to somebody else and says, okay, if
Seth:you're going to service this loan, you have to keep a certain baseline.
Seth:So it's that kind of out of the control of the lender.
Jenn:Which by the way, that happens a lot.
Jenn:And that's actually something that nobody asked, because nobody, I don't
Jenn:think anybody knows about that side of it, which I'm glad you mentioned it.
Jenn:So this is going to be a bonus tidbit of information.
Jenn:The majority of the time, with the exception of some
Jenn:lenders will hold your loan.
Jenn:So the company that our lender is with will hold your loan
Jenn:for a lifetime of the loan.
Jenn:But more times than not, and pretty much standard practice, is You work
Jenn:with one company to get you your loan and to get you into the home.
Jenn:And then after you have purchased it and after it's issued, then
Jenn:they will sell the loan and it'll be sold to a different company.
Jenn:So my current mortgage is with A mortgage company that I did
Jenn:not purchase my home with.
Jenn:So they sell them off and that is normal and that is okay.
Jenn:And again, if you were to ever have like questions of why am I getting
Jenn:this mortgage payment from a company I've never heard of before, you just
Jenn:talk to the lender that you'd been working with and they will tell you.
Jenn:And
Seth:yeah and we might have a guest on to talk about the mortgage
Seth:markets and all that good stuff.
Seth:If anyone's really interested in how the sausage is made, but yeah.
Seth:And then we do have a lightning round for Jen.
Seth:She doesn't know about why.
Seth:Okay.
Seth:Bye.
Seth:Because I'm just going to ask questions.
Seth:It's really easy.
Jenn:Okay.
Seth:Okay, don't get too nervous.
Seth:Which do you like better?
Jenn:Oh, okay.
Seth:Music, or movies?
Jenn:hmmmm music.
Seth:That's the wrong answer.
Jenn:I don't care.
Jenn:My attention span sometimes can't hold onto movies.
Jenn:Baseball, or football?
Jenn:Football.
Jenn:That's an easy one.
Jenn:Dogs, or cats?
Jenn:Oh, man.
Jenn:owning or enjoying other people's?
Jenn:Whatever.
Jenn:Uh.
Jenn:Cats, because I love my cat.
Jenn:I love both.
Jenn:I want to pet your dog.
Seth:Avril Lavigne or Taylor Swift?
Jenn:Oh, Taylor Swift.
Jenn:You have to respect Taylor Swift, I didn't say.
Seth:Beach or mountains?
Jenn:What's the time of year?
Seth:Ideal both.
Seth:Ideal mountains, ideal beach.
Seth:Which one?
Seth:You guys spend one day somewhere.
Jenn:Which beach?
Jenn:Are we talking are we talking tropical or are we talking like wildwood?
Seth:Ideal.
Seth:So whatever you
Jenn:I'll go beach, but I love the mountains.
Jenn:Okay.
Seth:Tea or coffee?
Jenn:Coffee.
Jenn:Wawa.
Jenn:Hmm.
Seth:Apple or android?
Jenn:Apple.
Seth:Truck or car?
Jenn:Mmmmmmmmmm truck.
Seth:Christmas or Thanksgiving?
Jenn:Christmas.
Seth:One place you'd go before you die?
Jenn:Oh.
Jenn:Alaska or somewhere where, or Netherlands where I can see the northern lights.
Seth:I was gonna say I can't believe, I thought you'd be like scanning.
Seth:I was
Jenn:picking which one.
Jenn:I was trying to figure out
Seth:where.
Seth:I can see the northern lights.
Seth:Yes.
Seth:What would you name yourself if you could change your name?
Jenn:Oh my God.
Seth:Um, I was asked this on a recent podcast and I was stumped
Seth:probably because my name is awesome.
Seth:But I'm never really, my
Jenn:name is pretty, I think my name is probably going to start
Jenn:becoming like old people names.
Jenn:It is.
Jenn:I don't know.
Jenn:Can I just change it and tell you what my name would have been?
Jenn:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jenn:What?
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:Gertrude.
Jenn:Gertrude!
Jenn:My dad wanted to name me Gertrude.
Jenn:I was like, ew!
Jenn:How would you even shorten it?
Jenn:Trudy.
Jenn:He said, no.
Jenn:He said Gertie.
Jenn:I was like, how is that better?
Jenn:That is like in no world better.
Seth:No Gertrudes out there.
Seth:I mean, I have a rare name, I have a weird name like Seth, but
Seth:Gertrude is one of those I know
Jenn:multiple Seths.
Seth:Yeah, there's some famous Seths.
Seth:I don't think there's any famous Gertrudes, are there?
Jenn:Gertrude Hawk.
Seth:That's it.
Seth:I
Jenn:don't
Seth:know who it is.
Seth:It's not famous.
Seth:It's
Jenn:chocolate.
Seth:Okay.
Seth:Um, all right.
Jenn:I thought it was like gonna be on the spot and I had to code the answers.
Jenn:It's so much better.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:All right.
Jenn:I
Seth:was, I was not going to put you on the spot.
Jenn:All right.
Jenn:All right.
Jenn:I guess you
Seth:wouldn't.
Jenn:Okay.
Jenn:There you have it.
Jenn:If you have more questions, actually, though, we want to know them.
Jenn:We might actually start adding in a segment of answering
Jenn:a question per podcast.
Jenn:Drop more questions if you want them.
Jenn:Yeah, and
Seth:we're thinking about adding a second episode for each week, and that would
Seth:be a great, great format, at least for some of those Friday afternoon drops.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So you can drop the comment on YouTube if you're watching it there, and
Jenn:if not, just at Millennia Podcast, double L, double N, double P.
Jenn:If you're not sure how to spell it, it's just double letter.
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Jenn:And you got it.
Jenn:Alright, see you guys.
Jenn:Alright, bye!