Jenn:

Welcome back to Millennia Up, it's go time.

Seth:

It's go time.

Seth:

So why don't you explain what we're doing here?

Jenn:

So a couple weeks back, which I mean, in real time, it was like

Jenn:

last week, but in watching this time, it was probably two months ago.

Jenn:

We asked you to ask us questions that we can answer for you.

Jenn:

So we collected a bunch of the questions that we got.

Jenn:

Seth and I both picked about five, there might be more than that in there.

Jenn:

Might be more than ten.

Jenn:

I don't know, total.

Jenn:

And we wrote them down, we mixed them around in a little bowl.

Seth:

And we're gonna see how far we get, too.

Jenn:

And then we're gonna answer them.

Jenn:

I have no idea what And we're

Seth:

gonna try to stay away from word salad y answers.

Jenn:

Yeah, we'll see.

Seth:

I think we should think of this more as like a lightning round than anything.

Jenn:

Alright, fine.

Jenn:

That's fine.

Jenn:

Honestly, well

Seth:

Like, if anybody's needs more information on these questions on these

Seth:

answers, I'm not saying we give two sentence answers, but I don't want to

Seth:

spend ten minutes apiece on these things.

Jenn:

I don't know what Seth wrote down.

Jenn:

I only know what I wrote down.

Jenn:

And at least I know that with my questions, they

Jenn:

are pretty straightforward.

Jenn:

But we'll see.

Jenn:

I don't know.

Jenn:

Why don't you go first?

Jenn:

Seth is like freaking me out.

Jenn:

I don't know what he wrote.

Jenn:

And probably the hardest part about this is going to be reading his handwriting.

Jenn:

Because if you don't know, it's awful.

Seth:

It's terrible.

Seth:

Ladies first.

Seth:

You're answering what you pick.

Seth:

You're not going to get that.

Seth:

Yeah.

Jenn:

We wrote it on post its and we did not put sticky side in.

Jenn:

So they're all going to stick to each other.

Jenn:

What's your favorite part of your job?

Jenn:

Okay.

Jenn:

So I'm answering the ones I pick out?

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

I'm not even, okay.

Jenn:

Okay.

Jenn:

My favorite part of my job, you wrote that very nicely too, for

Jenn:

anybody who needs to know Seth's handwriting, as a lefty, favorite

Jenn:

part of my job, where do we start?

Jenn:

It's genuinely helping people.

Jenn:

I've said that before.

Jenn:

I've always been.

Jenn:

All right.

Jenn:

That's it.

Jenn:

I'm going.

Jenn:

All right.

Jenn:

Cool.

Jenn:

I've always been in a customer facing industry my whole working career.

Jenn:

I work best with people.

Jenn:

I like helping people.

Jenn:

I like making them feel better than they did beforehand and making

Jenn:

a bigger difference for them.

Jenn:

So I love getting to the finish line and actually getting them and helping them

Jenn:

achieve their goals and using us, helping them with a system to take away anxieties

Jenn:

and make it a more seamless process.

Jenn:

It sounds so generic and friggin printed on piece of paper what

Jenn:

I'm supposed to say, but that's what I genuinely love doing.

Seth:

And I do believe that's why so many people are in this industry,

Seth:

because I think people like to help other people and they want to try to

Seth:

help them with this whole process.

Jenn:

But I think I like doing it mostly because I like to note that people are

Jenn:

being educated while they're doing it and that I like knowing that I am meant to be

Jenn:

in this field to be able to help people because there are some people who are in

Jenn:

this industry who don't take that extra time to like really educate themselves

Jenn:

and strategize and get creative and who are not really as much like people peoples

Jenn:

that they need to be able to get it done.

Jenn:

And I like that I am in this industry because I like to do

Jenn:

it and it only helps people.

Jenn:

that's what I like about my job.

Jenn:

Okay.

Seth:

That's good.

Jenn:

And I like seeing really cool houses.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

Oh, what is earnest money?

Seth:

Look at that.

Seth:

That was one that I had for you, but I'm going to answer it.

Seth:

This was a question I got.

Seth:

Is this your hand?

Seth:

No, this is mine.

Jenn:

No, that's your handwriting.

Seth:

This is mine, right?

Seth:

Do you have one in here that says earnest money?

Jenn:

Uh, no, not quite.

Seth:

Not quite?

Jenn:

Not quite.

Seth:

Do we need to combine them?

Jenn:

No, it's fine.

Seth:

Okay.

Seth:

So earnest money.

Seth:

I got this question on Sunday.

Jenn:

And we actually just talked about this two episodes ago, too.

Seth:

We did.

Seth:

That's why I cut you off.

Jenn:

Oh,

Seth:

because I was like, I'll talk about too much because I knew

Seth:

this question was going to come up.

Seth:

So earnest money.

Seth:

I got this question, just how it works, why it is what it is.

Seth:

And how it works in a real estate transaction.

Seth:

So earnest money is essentially a deposit in, I am not an attorney, but

Seth:

my understanding is that a contract.

Seth:

Needs what's called consideration, which is money needs to be exchanged in

Seth:

order to like fully enforce a contract.

Seth:

So.

Seth:

In the end, this deposit is placed shortly after two parties

Seth:

sign an agreement of sale.

Seth:

in the state of Pennsylvania, 90 percent of the time, most of the

Seth:

time, the money is then held by the seller's real estate agent.

Seth:

And what that really means is that it's put into an escrow account, like at an

Seth:

office, it's not the real estate agent holding the money, it's their office.

Seth:

The only people who can hold the money are brokers.

Seth:

And then at settlement, That money is brought by the listing

Seth:

agent to settlement and that goes directly towards your closing costs.

Seth:

Cause that was the question that came up was like, well,

Seth:

what happens to my deposit?

Seth:

Like I need that money or I get that money back.

Seth:

If you're told that

Jenn:

you're closing, if your estimated closing cost are going to be 30, 000.

Jenn:

It's not going to be 38, 000 if you put in 8, 000.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Seth:

So it's basically your closing costs are going to be whatever it is less the

Seth:

deposit because the deposit goes directly towards your closing costs at settlement.

Seth:

So that was a question that I got.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

So if you're closing costs are 30, 000, it's not going to be

Jenn:

30 and your deposit was 8, 000.

Jenn:

It's going to be 22, 000 left to bring to settlement.

Seth:

Yes.

Seth:

Exactly.

Seth:

So that's pretty much it.

Jenn:

It'd be great if the one that I have followed this up.

Jenn:

You want to

Seth:

answer your own question?

Seth:

Yes.

Jenn:

This is literally the one that I said, wow, this would be a really

Jenn:

good one to follow this up with.

Jenn:

And it's the one that I got.

Jenn:

What is escrow and why do I have to put my money in it?

Jenn:

This was actually meant for, we, I swear to God, we didn't plan this.

Jenn:

It's the

Seth:

exact same question.

Seth:

No, it's

Jenn:

not.

Jenn:

No.

Jenn:

So where I came with this is, so people have asked me.

Jenn:

I'm actually more than one person asked me this is with your mortgage payment.

Jenn:

So we talk about escrow, it's like deposit, but there's also an escrow

Jenn:

account for your mortgage with interest.

Jenn:

And the principle going towards a mortgage is say 1, 900, but your

Jenn:

mortgage payment is like 2, 600.

Jenn:

What is the rest of that money?

Jenn:

And like, why is it more?

Jenn:

And we say that's your escrow account.

Jenn:

People are like what is in that?

Jenn:

So, to answer that, so your escrow account, that is the account, so you're

Jenn:

paying extra on top of your principal and interest to cover your taxes for your

Jenn:

property, so that if you get a tax bill.

Jenn:

Then that goes to the mortgage company and then they pay your

Jenn:

real estate taxes for you for your property and your school taxes.

Jenn:

Unless you're in lower Potts Grove and they have a surprise

Jenn:

one that you didn't know about.

Jenn:

That's my problem.

Jenn:

And it also pays for your biggest ones are going to be that and then

Jenn:

your homeowner's insurance is where that also comes into play too.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

So basically an escrow account, it's the fund that the lender keeps on

Seth:

hand to pay your taxes and insurance.

Jenn:

Yep.

Jenn:

That worked out really hilarious.

Jenn:

I

Seth:

got escrow and earnest confused.

Seth:

I was like wait, Oh, here we go.

Seth:

Why should I pay an agent to sell my house when they are selling themselves?

Jenn:

When the houses are selling themselves.

Seth:

Oh, when the houses are selling themselves.

Jenn:

This was my question that I've gotten from somebody.

Jenn:

Are you understanding the question?

Seth:

I understand the question.

Jenn:

We got to think about it.

Seth:

No, I'm just thinking to myself, I'm actually, I was actually thinking

Seth:

about who asked you this question.

Jenn:

Eh.

Seth:

The shithead?

Seth:

Which one?

Jenn:

It was this one.

Seth:

The person who asked this question doesn't really have a full

Seth:

understanding and I'm not being defensive, I'm just stating a fact.

Seth:

They probably don't have a full understanding of

Seth:

the scope of the question.

Seth:

Duties that

Jenn:

I don't think you know who it was and it was something It was

Jenn:

actually this question that this person asked me because their parents

Jenn:

will not use an agent to sell houses

Seth:

Listen, sometimes you can get away.

Seth:

I'm gonna just throw it out there.

Seth:

Sometimes you can sell a house by yourself It's fine.

Seth:

I actually was having this conversation over the weekend with somebody, and he

Seth:

was joking about how he'd always go Fizzbo or whatever, but he was full of shit.

Seth:

He was, he's going to use an agent, but he's never going to sell.

Seth:

He's like, yeah, he lives with, it's just him and his wife and they

Seth:

have no reason to sell anytime soon.

Seth:

I explained to him, I'm like listing a house right now is like

Seth:

dropping food into a fishbowl.

Seth:

I mean, it's like , you, the amount of calls.

Seth:

And the amount of logistical headaches that you would have to endure if you

Seth:

have a house that's priced right and a good location and good condition.

Seth:

It would consume everything that you did for at least a week.

Seth:

And then on top of that, most people don't understand all

Seth:

the nuances of the contract.

Seth:

Like I love Fizbo's because they don't, I mean, not that I would try

Seth:

to deceive anybody, but it's not my job as a buyer's agent to tell

Seth:

Fizbo the ins and outs of a contract.

Jenn:

I had a really bad taste in my mouth too one time when somebody

Jenn:

said that they will not buy it.

Jenn:

It was somebody who was on Facebook or whatever and they said Oh, no

Jenn:

cause they were selling off market and I said, Oh, I actually have a

Jenn:

buyer who would like really want that.

Jenn:

Can you send me some details?

Jenn:

He said I'm not working with an agent.

Jenn:

I said, Oh, yeah.

Jenn:

If you don't want, I said first of all, if you want me to double represent,

Jenn:

like I can talk to you about that.

Jenn:

If you don't wanna use an agent, that's perfectly fine.

Jenn:

I'm happy to just help you with doing the transactional stuff.

Jenn:

If you don't want me involved at all, that's also fine.

Jenn:

I'm not telling you to use me, I'm just saying I have a buyer who

Jenn:

would like to have it and he did not want a buyer to be represented.

Jenn:

And I was like, that's shady.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Cause okay.

Jenn:

So you want to prey on somebody else and just be able to take advantage of them.

Jenn:

And so they can't be represented and to be able to be told, no, that's not right.

Jenn:

Or no, that's not fair.

Jenn:

I didn't like that.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

And so I think that there's a underestimation, even in this

Seth:

market, I would say it's like.

Seth:

30 days worth of activity shoved into three.

Seth:

I'm like just short of sending my family out of town when I have a

Seth:

listing that's really, I'm on the phone all day answering questions.

Seth:

I keep sellers asses out of a sling with the disclosure and

Seth:

trying to navigate negotiating and answering questions the right way.

Seth:

But all the lead up to a lot of listing agents or buyers agents, like I can tell

Seth:

you, I can walk in and you pay me for my advice on what buyers are going to want.

Seth:

I had a seller just earlier in the year and she's just I'm just

Seth:

amazed at what we got for the house.

Seth:

The process was so smooth and everything like that.

Seth:

And I said, listen, you did everything I told you to do.

Seth:

And we worked for four months to get that property on the market.

Seth:

And it was a home run.

Seth:

We had multiple offers and the house was not like HDTV ready.

Seth:

It was old.

Seth:

It had a lot of deferred maintenance, but it was in the right

Seth:

market and it was priced great.

Seth:

And I would just say, just be sure that you're not leaving

Seth:

any money on the table by

Jenn:

You so are.

Jenn:

Even in any market.

Jenn:

I'm sorry, but I know you're supposed to be answering this

Jenn:

question, and I know I wrote it.

Jenn:

But if you're selling yourself without an agent, you are, like,

Jenn:

sure, you can throw it up on the local homes for sale sites and whatever.

Jenn:

And that's fine.

Jenn:

But like that, is that really where the serious buyers are?

Jenn:

It's not going into the MLS.

Jenn:

It's not getting sent out to the people who are actually like qualified and

Jenn:

working with a buyer's agent who are actually serious about purchasing.

Jenn:

And you get, my favorite is the neighbors that say, Oh, I'll buy the house.

Jenn:

But then they like lowball

Seth:

you.

Seth:

And there's so many guys who are like, I'll buy your house.

Seth:

If you ever sell, just let me know.

Seth:

I'll buy it.

Seth:

I think almost, it almost never works out.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

That's bullshit.

Seth:

I would just say definitely be sure you know what you're getting

Seth:

yourself in for and you'll never know if you lost yourself money.

Seth:

There's a lot of guys who'll sit there, Oh, I sold my house on my own.

Seth:

It's , so

Jenn:

the neighbor sells and uses an agent and

Seth:

50, 000 more than what that guy got.

Seth:

So I can appreciate this question though, in some respects, because I've podcast

Seth:

that people are off doing their own thing.

Seth:

And they're really, I'm sure they're good at their accountants and

Seth:

plumbers and everything like that.

Seth:

And they, they don't know what they don't know.

Seth:

And it's just, it's easy for people to be like, Oh, it's easy.

Seth:

It's ah, just put a sign along and everyone comes in and

Seth:

I get to pick my buyer, but

Jenn:

it can be very overwhelming too.

Jenn:

It can be overwhelming.

Jenn:

You'll get frigging, I do this for a living and I'm overwhelmed.

Seth:

I do this for a living and it's like, it hijacks.

Seth:

Because

Jenn:

in this, like you can't just like always go, you might be able to get it

Jenn:

up on Zillow or something maybe, but If somebody, if they see like a for sale

Jenn:

thing, they can't always find it online.

Seth:

No,

Jenn:

it's hard to even find your house and be able to

Seth:

exposure.

Seth:

And the other thing that a lot of people don't realize is that

Seth:

brokerages pay for premier placement on these silos and all these sites.

Seth:

And it's like, you put your little Fizbo on there.

Seth:

Trust me, it'll go up, but, and you might list it and it's there

Seth:

for a little bit, but it just gets lost in the sauce because.

Seth:

You've got remaxes and callbackers and KWs and compasses of the world

Seth:

paying for that premier placement.

Seth:

So that's another good point, but all right, let's go to the next one.

Jenn:

Do I have to be a U.

Jenn:

S.

Jenn:

citizen to buy a home?

Jenn:

Triggered.

Seth:

Triggered.

Jenn:

Are you thinking about what I'm currently thinking?

Jenn:

You're an

Seth:

ITIN expert.

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

Yes, I am.

Jenn:

Unfortunately, no, it was a fantastic learning experience.

Jenn:

No, you do not, but there is, you do have to have an ITIN number at least.

Jenn:

It's something to talk to a lender about and see what programs are available.

Jenn:

So you can, it will cost you a lot more cash out of pocket though.

Seth:

Yes.

Seth:

You won't get as good of a rate.

Seth:

Not every lender is going to be able to have the loan product to do it.

Seth:

If you are not an American citizen or a US citizen or have some other

Seth:

kind of pretty solid classification.

Seth:

you're not going to be underwritten by what a normal American

Seth:

citizen would be the entity.

Seth:

So Fannie and Freddie, which are like the two, they service, I think 90 percent

Seth:

of the loans in this country, you are going to have to go all off market.

Seth:

And it's basically, it's called a non QM loan.

Seth:

And you essentially, God, what did she pay?

Seth:

What did it was 10 percent 10.

Seth:

75 percent

Jenn:

interest rate,

Seth:

interest rate.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Seth:

It was something like that.

Seth:

Yeah, so it's a higher risk.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

But yes.

Seth:

And it's something

Jenn:

to be very, very, very, very upfront about, too.

Jenn:

And I don't mean just saying it's the lender once.

Jenn:

Multiple times before you hand in any information.

Jenn:

This is it actually happened, I don't know if I told you, this happened to a friend

Jenn:

of mine, too, whose wife is not a U.

Jenn:

S.

Jenn:

citizen because she's from Australia.

Jenn:

It was a hellish experience for them, too, on the lending side

Jenn:

because they did not hear them out.

Jenn:

about what they were looking to do and that she couldn't be on the loan and

Jenn:

that ended up costing them like, Oh my God, like tens of thousands more.

Jenn:

So short answer, yes, you can.

Jenn:

But if you are going to make sure that you're doing your research into

Jenn:

programs, who offers them and that.

Jenn:

And the one that we had was they went to a lender because of an

Jenn:

advertisement for this ITIN loan program.

Jenn:

Told them about it and the person because it was just like a paid

Jenn:

lead on the company's ends like they were like yeah, yeah, sure.

Jenn:

And then like just approved them FHA for I still couldn't even tell you what reason.

Jenn:

And it just jumbled everything up.

Jenn:

So make sure that things look like.

Seth:

Four months to close it.

Seth:

So it

Jenn:

did, it closed.

Jenn:

We got there.

Seth:

Oh yeah.

Seth:

We got it done.

Seth:

It took two lenders and four months and a lot of contract extensions.

Seth:

And

Jenn:

our lender is the one who ended up getting it.

Jenn:

And our lender

Seth:

was the one that's the reason why we work with our lender and

Seth:

not just some guy off the street.

Seth:

And also I would say if you are going to investigate this, if you're listening

Seth:

and you don't live in our market.

Seth:

Definitely go with a more niche, smaller bank because these big banks

Seth:

really, they offer this stuff, but they don't need to process these loans.

Seth:

They don't need the risk profile in their mortgages.

Seth:

So

Jenn:

it's going to cost a lot more money,

Seth:

but it can happen.

Seth:

And don't discount the idea.

Seth:

Also between that, there's also student visas.

Seth:

There's the HB one visa.

Seth:

There's a lot of different working visas that people can work with.

Seth:

So it just depends on doing your due diligence and making sure that you're

Seth:

crystal clear on what your immigration status is now and what it will be.

Seth:

If you've, I think there's a different, there's a nuance with.

Seth:

If you actually have applied for citizenship, there's

Seth:

there's different stuff.

Seth:

So yeah,

Jenn:

just do not withhold anything.

Jenn:

Don't like keep any information to yourself about it, throw everything out

Jenn:

on the table and make sure that it's something that they can actually do.

Jenn:

Cause they will find out.

Jenn:

And I had

Seth:

a long conversation with our lender and there's a understandable

Seth:

hesitancy to just open up all your personal business to an American lender.

Seth:

Like we get it.

Seth:

But if you want to be able to own a home in this country, you're going to have to

Seth:

play ball with the banking institutions.

Seth:

They're going to give you the money to do it.

Seth:

All right.

Seth:

What do we got?

Seth:

Oh, I got another Nusky question.

Jenn:

Let's see what we

Seth:

got.

Seth:

Why would I give up my 3 percent interest rate?

Seth:

Somebody asked you this?

Seth:

Or how many thousands of people asked you

Jenn:

that?

Jenn:

How many thousands of people have asked me this?

Jenn:

We did get into it last episode, so.

Jenn:

We did.

Jenn:

We recorded three episodes right before this one, and we're finding

Jenn:

that we answered some of these things.

Jenn:

If you didn't watch them, then here you're getting answers now.

Jenn:

And if you want to watch them, go watch them.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Or listen to them, whatever.

Seth:

Just go back and watch them and listen to them anyway.

Jenn:

Yep.

Seth:

It's good.

Seth:

So why would I give up my 3 percent interest rate?

Seth:

I'll parrot what I said before, is that there's more to life

Seth:

than just an interest rate.

Seth:

Now, I wouldn't try to quote sell somebody to take a 7 percent interest rate for an

Seth:

extra bedroom, but there are times when I think people are drinking the sand on

Seth:

a house that doesn't really serve them.

Seth:

It's not necessarily ever was supposed to be their forever home.

Seth:

The house is too big.

Seth:

It's not in the right school district, the house is like weird, it's unique,

Seth:

it's in a niche kind of market, I think there's a lot of reasons why you would

Seth:

give it up, I think also somebody could sell a house for 3%, take a 6 percent

Seth:

rate and wait for interest rates to come down, because interest rates will

Seth:

come down, people don't understand like, Right now, interest rates are

Seth:

hovering in that high six to seven area.

Seth:

They are going to come down one way or another, either they're going to come

Seth:

down at the Fed's discretion or an economy will force them to come down.

Seth:

So I think that people need to see the forest through the trees.

Seth:

They need to see that there's more to life than just a low mortgage payment.

Seth:

Again, I'm not going to tell people that they should just do it because it's

Seth:

fun or the reward has to outweigh the interest rate, but I think there's going

Seth:

to be a lot of people in the next, in the coming two years that are going to have

Seth:

a hard time grappling with that question.

Jenn:

Okay.

Jenn:

What is a home appraisal and why is it important?

Jenn:

Huh.

Jenn:

As much as we like to give appraisers shit, as the bad guy, they help keep

Jenn:

the real estate market from going absolutely insane and inflated.

Jenn:

Even though it might appear as if it has over the past couple of years,

Jenn:

because it has, but we also do, we can find a lot of things for that, but the

Jenn:

appraiser basically Let me back up.

Jenn:

What is an appraiser?

Jenn:

Or what is an appraisal?

Jenn:

Appraisal is what is executed by an appraiser to assess

Jenn:

the value of the house.

Jenn:

When you get the appraisal, it goes back to underwriting with the lender,

Jenn:

and it'll tell the lender how much the bank will be permitting to lend.

Jenn:

Okay.

Jenn:

Did I cover that correctly?

Jenn:

Sure.

Jenn:

Adequately for yourself?

Jenn:

And why is that?

Seth:

You

Jenn:

mean that you mean appraisals don't get you super wired and not

Seth:

when we're talking in the abstract, I certainly pay attention to them when I,

Jenn:

uh, yes.

Jenn:

So it's pretty much one of the biggest hurdles.

Jenn:

Make sure.

Jenn:

So usually during a transaction, if there's two or else you want to get

Jenn:

past before it's, you're pretty much like in the clear versus inspections.

Jenn:

If you got them second is appraisal.

Jenn:

So once you clear your appraisal, so if you're say you offered 400,000 for the

Jenn:

house, and it appraises for 415,000.

Jenn:

Congratulations.

Jenn:

You now have $15,000 worth of equity in your house right off the bat because it's

Jenn:

worth more than you're buying it for.

Jenn:

So that's awesome.

Jenn:

So that would be a high appraisal.

Jenn:

We love those.

Jenn:

They're more if you are in far between.

Jenn:

Then there's a low appraisal, which is where negotiation is

Jenn:

going to have to come into play.

Jenn:

And if you get a low appraisal, that means if you offered $400,000 and

Jenn:

that's what you're under contract for.

Jenn:

And it appraises for say like $390,000 there is $10,000 that you need to

Jenn:

decide what you're going to do about it.

Jenn:

So the bank will only put through a loan based off of a $390,000 value.

Jenn:

So that doesn't mean that they will loan $390,000 depending on how much you're

Jenn:

putting down and what program you have.

Jenn:

There's $10,000 that you need to figure out.

Jenn:

So some of the things you do, you go back to the listing agent.

Jenn:

You can either negotiate to, ideally it would be the best if

Jenn:

you just bump the sale price down.

Jenn:

To 390 to what the value is, wash your hands, be like, okay,

Jenn:

sweet, done, figure that out.

Jenn:

Next, the seller does not have to agree to it.

Jenn:

And if you cannot come to terms, then that falls under your mortgage contingency,

Jenn:

which is the pretty much like the last contingency holding into your contract.

Jenn:

And if you get a low appraisal, you guys don't come to terms, then you can

Jenn:

walk away from the house and walk away from the deal, get your deposit back.

Jenn:

Or you can do, you can either just come with that extra 10, 000 cash at

Jenn:

settlement to make up the difference.

Jenn:

It doesn't go towards the equity, but with that amount, give it like a year,

Jenn:

you're going to earn that back with what it's going to end up being worth.

Jenn:

So you can come with the full amount or you can meet in the middle somewhere

Jenn:

and say either you can bump the sale price down and maybe 395 and then

Jenn:

you come with an extra 5, 000 or you can just keep it at 300, 000 and then

Jenn:

both of you pay 5, 000 at closing.

Jenn:

But yeah.

Jenn:

There are ways around it and ways to negotiate it, but it is important to

Jenn:

prevent you from overpaying for the house and keeping the market at least

Jenn:

somewhat stable across the board.

Seth:

Okay.

Jenn:

Cool.

Seth:

So appraisal and why it's important?

Jenn:

Yep.

Jenn:

Did you get another one for me?

Seth:

Why are HOA fees so high?

Seth:

Didn't we have this?

Seth:

Who asked this?

Seth:

This is something that came across the One of

Jenn:

my friends.

Jenn:

One of my friends that I haven't heard from in a while.

Seth:

Well, it's good.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

It's good.

Seth:

People are coming to us for the information, which is the right move.

Seth:

Why are HOAs fees so high?

Seth:

First of all, high is relative.

Jenn:

Hmm.

Seth:

I always advise my buyers, you need to understand what

Seth:

you're getting for your HOA fee.

Seth:

And a lot of times, the amenities are there, you understand, you got a pool,

Seth:

you got a playground, you got a clubhouse, big, you got lots of common area, or the

Seth:

HOA covers a lot about the exterior house.

Seth:

So a lot of times what will happen is buyers don't understand the

Seth:

difference between a condo and an HOA.

Seth:

So an HOA is essentially like a planned.

Jenn:

You want to define HOA.

Seth:

HOA is a homeowner's association.

Seth:

And essentially what that is it's a bunch of deeded lots in a grouping and

Seth:

they all are in the same community.

Seth:

Usually what that really means is that there are common elements to the

Seth:

property and the community itself that everyone has to pitch in to take care of.

Seth:

So it can be as simple.

Seth:

I've seen stuff as like a hundred dollars a year.

Seth:

And it's literally just maintaining a drainage.

Jenn:

My friends is like 79 or like 78 a year or a month, something like that.

Seth:

Basically your HOA fee, your homeowner's association fee

Seth:

needs to be commensurate with whatever is being maintained.

Seth:

So the condos, which are not HOAs, but they're the same thing, a condo building.

Seth:

Whether it's a high rise in the city, or if it's just a sprawling community

Seth:

in the suburbs, condos, usually the fees are higher because you're taking

Seth:

care of the exterior, the roofs, lots of sidewalks, there's more density, a lot

Seth:

of times these condo associations, they have pools, they've got hot lots, they've

Seth:

got clubhouses, that type of thing.

Seth:

So

Jenn:

if it's a condo to keep in mind, it's say the roof

Jenn:

isn't your responsibility.

Jenn:

It's like just financing in a cost of if the roof ever has to be replaced, like

Jenn:

that's a cost that you don't have to pay.

Seth:

A lot of times, a lot of times too in condos is that you don't pay water.

Seth:

You don't pay gas.

Seth:

You don't pay utilities because if the water line is all coming and

Seth:

the heater is all servicing multiple units, instead of cutting that all

Seth:

down to into eight pieces every month, it's easier to collect the fees.

Seth:

They just collect the fees and then they just pay the gross amount.

Seth:

It's an interesting question.

Seth:

I always dive in and make sure that you're getting the value.

Seth:

The other thing to keep in mind is that sometimes an HOA fee that doesn't have

Seth:

a lot of maintenance, a lot of things maintain, and the fee is still high.

Seth:

They are raising money for a capital improvement.

Seth:

Keep in mind HOA and condo boards, who are the people who run

Seth:

these, it's just the residents.

Seth:

They're off doing their own professionals and something else.

Seth:

Without a good management company, a lot of times what will happen is an HOA or a

Seth:

condo association will fall behind in the amount of money they need to maintain that

Seth:

roof, or to replace the sewer lines, or re gunite the pool, or redo the clubhouse.

Seth:

That rate, every month, will be inflated because they've

Seth:

got to catch up, so to speak.

Seth:

That's why, but most HOAs are pretty equitable for what you get.

Seth:

And I think a lack of understanding about what these fees actually

Seth:

go towards is the biggest.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

So pretty much to say, why are they so high?

Jenn:

That's something you would want to ask and also define what your

Jenn:

def, what do you think a how is?

Jenn:

It's too high for an HOA fee.

Seth:

A non high rise building, or for an HOA, not a condo?

Seth:

Yeah,

Jenn:

HOA.

Seth:

HOA without a pool?

Jenn:

Mm hmm.

Seth:

That's the other thing a lot of people are like, HOA, so, and I

Jenn:

I see more HOA communities without pools than I do with.

Seth:

Yeah, exactly.

Seth:

But a lot of times, if your agent doesn't know there's a pool in the a lot of

Seth:

times you can pool into a community.

Seth:

You don't even pass by the pool with the clubhouse and the buyer has no idea.

Seth:

And they're like what the hell are we paying?

Seth:

All this

Jenn:

first of all, before I even am showing anybody a property, if it's in

Jenn:

an HOA fee, I'm in an HOA community.

Jenn:

I'm finding out what the HOA covers because that's going

Jenn:

to be the first question.

Seth:

Well, that's because you're Jen Musky.

Jenn:

That's because I'm Jen fucking Rusk.

Seth:

But in the end, I would say a non pool non having to take

Seth:

care of the exterior of homes.

Seth:

I don't know, but probably, but Once you get past like 250.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Seth:

That gets to be like, okay, what am I paying for?

Seth:

If I'm

Jenn:

paying like 3350 a month, you better be cutting my lawn.

Seth:

Well, they're going to cut your, yeah, I would say, yeah, if they're

Seth:

even at two 50, I would say, and really what I mean by HOA, like that's really

Seth:

for like townhouse communities, you'll get where if you have single family

Seth:

homes, it'll probably be closer if it's two 50, there better be a pool

Seth:

or something going on in there because usually you have to mow your own lawn

Seth:

and take care of your own lot and they just have to take care of common areas.

Seth:

Now, the more rural you get.

Seth:

The more like acreage they have to mow is common area.

Seth:

And a lot of times the township requires it cause they have to maintain

Seth:

the drainage swales and all that.

Seth:

It can be all over the map, non high rise condo.

Seth:

I think once you pass three 5, 400, I think you got to really

Seth:

start looking at what the hell?

Jenn:

God, I'm looking at some in the fit in the city right now for a client

Jenn:

and some of those condo fees, man.

Jenn:

Woo.

Jenn:

Like we're keeping it under.

Jenn:

I think we're capping it at 700 a month in condo fees.

Jenn:

And I've seen some that are like, I wish our MLS would let us like

Jenn:

cap, like with condo slash HOA fees up to whatever I can't.

Jenn:

So I have to like manually filter those out.

Jenn:

But there are some for Oh my God, I think the most I saw

Jenn:

for condo fee was, Like 1, 100.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

You can get some, you can get stuff on the main line too.

Seth:

They're like, that's really expensive.

Seth:

But a lot of times they're, they've got like real infrastructure issues.

Seth:

They got to maintain, there's

Jenn:

a doorman and

Seth:

yeah.

Seth:

And there's just old, like just old pipes and they got to replace

Seth:

all the electric or they got to replace all this, that or the other.

Seth:

The other thing in high rise condos, people don't think about

Seth:

elevators, super expensive.

Seth:

Cause not a lot of people do them.

Seth:

That's a big nut.

Seth:

It's like the

Jenn:

one I was thinking of too, on top of it has a rooftop pool.

Seth:

So that'll definitely add to it.

Seth:

Keep in mind, a lot of these HOA fees, insurance, liability insurance for

Seth:

people slipping and falling on the elements that the HOA is responsible for.

Seth:

A little fun fact, when you buy in an HOA or condo, the lender has to

Seth:

contact the association to make sure there's no litigation that exceeds

Seth:

their general liability policy.

Seth:

Hmm.

Seth:

Because That I didn't know actually.

Seth:

Yeah if there's a slip and fall.

Seth:

And they've got a limited liability policy of a million bucks and

Seth:

they're being sued for two million.

Seth:

The insurance company only covers a million.

Seth:

Where's the other million coming from?

Seth:

It's coming from the residents.

Seth:

So the lender wants to know, is there going to be a special assessment

Seth:

based on a loss in this litigation?

Seth:

Well, fun fact.

Jenn:

Okay.

Seth:

All right.

Seth:

So you can tell your friend, just there it is.

Seth:

Ask Jen.

Jenn:

All right.

Jenn:

Last one.

Jenn:

Why did my mortgage payment go up?

Jenn:

Aren't they supposed to stay the same?

Jenn:

My friend asked me this.

Jenn:

Great question.

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

So you buy a house because you never have to worry about your

Jenn:

rent going up an unpredicted amount

Jenn:

At any point in time, my friend's mortgage payment ended up going

Jenn:

up and he did not expect that.

Jenn:

I believe we had the conversation,

Jenn:

when you're going through a home buying experience, there's so much

Jenn:

information coming at you that like, Your brain doesn't absorb all of it.

Jenn:

If you have not purchased yet and you will at some point, or if you currently

Jenn:

own, then listen to this because this is something that does happen that shouldn't

Jenn:

fly under your radar and to be expected.

Jenn:

So your mortgage payment can change.

Jenn:

It can go up typically not drastically though.

Jenn:

So if you notice your mortgage payment go up, it would be

Jenn:

because your taxes went up.

Jenn:

So I just don't know.

Jenn:

I just got done telling you about escrow account and what gets paid from that.

Jenn:

So sometimes if they haven't pulled enough money into your escrow account

Jenn:

to cover all the taxes, then they will increase your mortgage to cover

Jenn:

the cost of the taxes is one reason.

Jenn:

It could also be that your homeowner's insurance may have

Jenn:

gone up because of claims.

Jenn:

Those are really like the two biggest reasons that they would unless there is

Jenn:

like a special assessment that's done where the township needs to get something

Jenn:

done for whatever reason, the funding doesn't cover it, but then they go to

Jenn:

the residents to have to pay for that.

Jenn:

So those are a few things, a few reasons why, but like I said,

Jenn:

it's not typically drastic.

Jenn:

Like my mortgage payment just went up maybe I think it was like 40 a month

Jenn:

for a 50 a month for the next 12 months.

Jenn:

So it goes up, but it's not like it's gonna change.

Jenn:

No

Seth:

landlord raises your rent 40.

Seth:

It's always a $100

Jenn:

right?

Jenn:

I never have to worry about getting displaced out of my house

Seth:

Yeah.

Seth:

That is the other thing a lot of people don't talk about is that

Seth:

unless you just don't stop paying your mortgage all together, no one

Seth:

can take your house away from you.

Seth:

So we help a lot of people who you know, they're getting a rent raised

Seth:

all the time and then it says oh by the way Oh, yeah, we're gonna sell it

Jenn:

Yep.

Jenn:

Your mortgage payment can change.

Jenn:

That can be why.

Jenn:

It doesn't have to do with your interest rate though.

Jenn:

So typically that'll be fixed.

Jenn:

And if you ever have questions about why your mortgage payment

Jenn:

changed, then you just read out.

Jenn:

Reach out to your mortgage company.

Jenn:

Yep.

Jenn:

And they will be able

Seth:

to sell you.

Seth:

One thing also to keep in mind is that sometimes they'll do

Seth:

one higher payment for a makeup.

Seth:

So instead of raising it incrementally, they'll just do okay, we need to

Seth:

replant it because your taxes went up.

Seth:

So they'll be like, okay, instead of paying, 2200, you're going to

Seth:

pay 2475 or something like that.

Seth:

Just to make, to make sure that they have, cause they have to keep a

Seth:

certain amount of money in the escrow account for based on the terms and

Seth:

conditions of which that loan is sold.

Seth:

Meaning like your lender sells it to somebody else and says, okay, if

Seth:

you're going to service this loan, you have to keep a certain baseline.

Seth:

So it's that kind of out of the control of the lender.

Jenn:

Which by the way, that happens a lot.

Jenn:

And that's actually something that nobody asked, because nobody, I don't

Jenn:

think anybody knows about that side of it, which I'm glad you mentioned it.

Jenn:

So this is going to be a bonus tidbit of information.

Jenn:

The majority of the time, with the exception of some

Jenn:

lenders will hold your loan.

Jenn:

So the company that our lender is with will hold your loan

Jenn:

for a lifetime of the loan.

Jenn:

But more times than not, and pretty much standard practice, is You work

Jenn:

with one company to get you your loan and to get you into the home.

Jenn:

And then after you have purchased it and after it's issued, then

Jenn:

they will sell the loan and it'll be sold to a different company.

Jenn:

So my current mortgage is with A mortgage company that I did

Jenn:

not purchase my home with.

Jenn:

So they sell them off and that is normal and that is okay.

Jenn:

And again, if you were to ever have like questions of why am I getting

Jenn:

this mortgage payment from a company I've never heard of before, you just

Jenn:

talk to the lender that you'd been working with and they will tell you.

Jenn:

And

Seth:

yeah and we might have a guest on to talk about the mortgage

Seth:

markets and all that good stuff.

Seth:

If anyone's really interested in how the sausage is made, but yeah.

Seth:

And then we do have a lightning round for Jen.

Seth:

She doesn't know about why.

Seth:

Okay.

Seth:

Bye.

Seth:

Because I'm just going to ask questions.

Seth:

It's really easy.

Jenn:

Okay.

Seth:

Okay, don't get too nervous.

Seth:

Which do you like better?

Jenn:

Oh, okay.

Seth:

Music, or movies?

Jenn:

hmmmm music.

Seth:

That's the wrong answer.

Jenn:

I don't care.

Jenn:

My attention span sometimes can't hold onto movies.

Jenn:

Baseball, or football?

Jenn:

Football.

Jenn:

That's an easy one.

Jenn:

Dogs, or cats?

Jenn:

Oh, man.

Jenn:

owning or enjoying other people's?

Jenn:

Whatever.

Jenn:

Uh.

Jenn:

Cats, because I love my cat.

Jenn:

I love both.

Jenn:

I want to pet your dog.

Seth:

Avril Lavigne or Taylor Swift?

Jenn:

Oh, Taylor Swift.

Jenn:

You have to respect Taylor Swift, I didn't say.

Seth:

Beach or mountains?

Jenn:

What's the time of year?

Seth:

Ideal both.

Seth:

Ideal mountains, ideal beach.

Seth:

Which one?

Seth:

You guys spend one day somewhere.

Jenn:

Which beach?

Jenn:

Are we talking are we talking tropical or are we talking like wildwood?

Seth:

Ideal.

Seth:

So whatever you

Jenn:

I'll go beach, but I love the mountains.

Jenn:

Okay.

Seth:

Tea or coffee?

Jenn:

Coffee.

Jenn:

Wawa.

Jenn:

Hmm.

Seth:

Apple or android?

Jenn:

Apple.

Seth:

Truck or car?

Jenn:

Mmmmmmmmmm truck.

Seth:

Christmas or Thanksgiving?

Jenn:

Christmas.

Seth:

One place you'd go before you die?

Jenn:

Oh.

Jenn:

Alaska or somewhere where, or Netherlands where I can see the northern lights.

Seth:

I was gonna say I can't believe, I thought you'd be like scanning.

Seth:

I was

Jenn:

picking which one.

Jenn:

I was trying to figure out

Seth:

where.

Seth:

I can see the northern lights.

Seth:

Yes.

Seth:

What would you name yourself if you could change your name?

Jenn:

Oh my God.

Seth:

Um, I was asked this on a recent podcast and I was stumped

Seth:

probably because my name is awesome.

Seth:

But I'm never really, my

Jenn:

name is pretty, I think my name is probably going to start

Jenn:

becoming like old people names.

Jenn:

It is.

Jenn:

I don't know.

Jenn:

Can I just change it and tell you what my name would have been?

Jenn:

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jenn:

What?

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

Gertrude.

Jenn:

Gertrude!

Jenn:

My dad wanted to name me Gertrude.

Jenn:

I was like, ew!

Jenn:

How would you even shorten it?

Jenn:

Trudy.

Jenn:

He said, no.

Jenn:

He said Gertie.

Jenn:

I was like, how is that better?

Jenn:

That is like in no world better.

Seth:

No Gertrudes out there.

Seth:

I mean, I have a rare name, I have a weird name like Seth, but

Seth:

Gertrude is one of those I know

Jenn:

multiple Seths.

Seth:

Yeah, there's some famous Seths.

Seth:

I don't think there's any famous Gertrudes, are there?

Jenn:

Gertrude Hawk.

Seth:

That's it.

Seth:

I

Jenn:

don't

Seth:

know who it is.

Seth:

It's not famous.

Seth:

It's

Jenn:

chocolate.

Seth:

Okay.

Seth:

Um, all right.

Jenn:

I thought it was like gonna be on the spot and I had to code the answers.

Jenn:

It's so much better.

Jenn:

Okay.

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

All right.

Jenn:

I

Seth:

was, I was not going to put you on the spot.

Jenn:

All right.

Jenn:

All right.

Jenn:

I guess you

Seth:

wouldn't.

Jenn:

Okay.

Jenn:

There you have it.

Jenn:

If you have more questions, actually, though, we want to know them.

Jenn:

We might actually start adding in a segment of answering

Jenn:

a question per podcast.

Jenn:

Drop more questions if you want them.

Jenn:

Yeah, and

Seth:

we're thinking about adding a second episode for each week, and that would

Seth:

be a great, great format, at least for some of those Friday afternoon drops.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

So you can drop the comment on YouTube if you're watching it there, and

Jenn:

if not, just at Millennia Podcast, double L, double N, double P.

Jenn:

If you're not sure how to spell it, it's just double letter.

Jenn:

Double letter.

Jenn:

And you got it.

Jenn:

Alright, see you guys.

Jenn:

Alright, bye!