Hi, Katelyn Simmons. Welcome to the QVC podcast.

Hello. Thank you so much, Meredith. I'm so

excited to be here.

So am I. I've been following your story, you

know, since you took the certification a couple

years ago. You were, like, one of the OG early

adopters on that, and I've always wanted to chat

with you about. And it just kind of now, you

know, and then you were like, oh, she's having a

baby. I'll leave her alone. And now your baby's

one year old, so time to do a podcast.

I'm so excited. And you're the first podcast I've

ever been on, so this is, like, ultra special for

me.

Oh, well, I am honored, and I'm excited to tell

your story and hear your. Hear your journey and

share it with everyone, because it's a good one.

And I also just want to mention Caitlin's.

Katelyn's baby turned 1 on May 15, and my

youngest turned 11 on May 15. And Nico Kennedy,

who, many of you know, had her fifth baby on May

15th. So we're just gonna all celebrate the May

15th quantum babies. Okay, so you started your

career in wellness as a massage therapist, and

that took you through some experiences that led

you down other paths. So let's start there.

Okay. Well, 18, fresh out of high school. I knew

I wanted to be in the holistic health world, and

I didn't exactly know where that was going to

lead. I thought maybe acupuncture or maybe become

a naturopath or something. But I started with

massage therapy and the local holistic health

practitioner program near me, and then ended up

falling in love with massage and built my own

practice. After working for other people, I kind

of got that entrepreneurial itch and was like, I

gotta work for myself, and just started working

with people and loving, helping people, because

it's like, it was so tangible getting to put your

hands on someone and then they come in feeling

terrible and get up, and then they feel great.

But I started to see where it wasn't, like,

lasting. It was like, I could help them

temporarily. But so many people were coming to me

because they had chronic pain or chronic illness

or whatever was chronic. And I had. Had. I got

diagnosed with Lyme disease back when I was 13.

So that was also something in my story where I

was, like, also trying to figure out what was

going on with me and how I could get really

better all the way. So that led me to the

lymphatic system. Once I learned about how, you

know, why were people so puffy and why would why

would the inflammation go down when we would do

massage? And so I got trained in lymphatic

enhancement technology and bought this fancy

equipment for my office and then started seeing

better results with my clients. But still, it was

like, okay, well, why is their lymphatic system

not ever doing it on their own? Like, why is it

still stuck? And why are people feeling great

maybe for a week or two after they see me? And

then having this downhill slump? I need to come

back. Because it kind of felt like, wow, these

are lifelong clients. That's not. That didn't sit

right with me because that's what the Western

model felt like.

Right.

And I had already been through that rabbit hole.

You wanted to be part of something that was

actually helping them stay better.

Yeah.

Not just have a temporary and.

Yeah. Like, be empowered. So then that led me to

becoming an integrative health practitioner and

learning about supplements and getting trained in

all these different things and just certification

after certification searching. Meanwhile, I was

still not feeling my best. And I would go into

work and love my clients and help my clients and

then basically go home feeling terrible after and

picking up their energy, feeling drained, feeling

exhausted, and just. Just knew something was

missing. But I couldn't figure it out. Right.

Because you've done all the things. You had the

massage training, you had the lymphatic training,

you had integrative holistic supplement training.

And it.

It's.

That seems like all the things.

Yeah. And it did.

It feels like that should cover it.

It did.

When most people enter a holistic healing,

they're like, yeah, that sounds good. That's all

the things.

Exactly.

Right.

And, you know, I really didn't know there was

more. The only thing I knew I hadn't looked into

was energy. Right. But as my belief system as a

Christian growing up with this, you know, I guess

the paradigm is you stay away from that stuff.

Like, I remember feeling so uncomfortable in my

massage class just because people were talking

about crystals. Now I laugh, but it is something

that's real. People are really actually afraid of

a lot of this side of things that we're talking

about because they don't understand.

I would love to understand a little bit more

about that because I actually did not know that

until recently. Until, you know, we. I started

getting involved in this world and, you know,

switched from creating corporate consulting

programs to helping create quantum biology

programs. And this has come up several times with

different people. And I was raised in the

Anglican Church, which in the United States is

the Episcopalian church. We didn't really have

rules like that. It was a very kind of standard

religion where you went and you, you know, they

didn't really say much about what you did outside

of church. And I just, I didn't know that there

was this deep belief where. So if you could

explain it to me. Is it. My understanding is that

it's like seen as like a form of maybe witchcraft

or.

Yes.

Evil. Evil manipulation of things that we

shouldn't be messing around with.

Yeah, it's.

Or how is it framed?

I think it's probably different each person and

what they were taught and what the environment

probably felt like as a child or what they were

taught in church. For me it was looked at like

it's New Age. New Age was just basically this far

off thing that you didn't even want to learn

about. Like it's evil, it's wrong, it's

witchcraft. And that was a whole. That was where

my paradigm started to shift was because I was

thrown right into it. I went from like sheltered

little Caitlyn Christian everything to massage

school where then I. Everything in my life,

everyone that came in was more New age than

anything I had learned. So. And it was just

something that you didn't know about or like

crystals, those were evil. You see a crystal

shop, you don't go in there. That's witchcraft.

There's only witches in there. Like it's. And

it's not really talked about a lot. It's just you

just know you, you're not supposed to do it and

you don't learn anything about it or. Does that

make sense?

Yes, it's just sort of like an off limits. Yeah,

an off limits topic. And yeah, like I could, I

can kind of understand because as with anything,

if you take it to its extreme or you do it

without ethics or, or grounding or, you know, you

have an experienced mentor or guide, like the New

Age movement could go way off the rails. So. Or

the, the things that are involved in it. So I do

understand from a certain perspective that you

would want to protect people from that.

And I think then as someone who is really like,

I'm really strong in my belief. I'm not. I didn't

like leave. I still love Jesus. I'm still a

Christian. Like it's just hard for me to want to

be connected to the religion side of it because

then I feel like it's this weird in between of

just trying to explain. Like this is just energy.

This is just how, if you believe in God, this is

how God made you. This is how you're Made like

it's what you're made of. Yeah, just simplifying

it and breaking it down. Like, I don't think

anyone needs to be afraid of this stuff. And, you

know, fear. We know fear is such a low frequency.

Like, that's like the worst frequency to be

vibrating at. And so helping people switch from

fear to actual discernment, where you're really

using critical thinking skills and actually

looking at things. And, you know, if you read the

Bible and you believe the Bible, the Bible just

clearly says what to do. And the Bible doesn't

say anything about, like, specifically New Age or

energy or frequency. And actually, as I've

learned more, it strengthened my faith, and it's

made me look at the things I've grown up with and

read in the Bible and made me realize, wow,

laying on of hands, taking every thought captive,

like distance walking on water. Like, all of the

miracles, they make sense. It's like, whoa, we

live in a quantum universe, and that's how we

were created. So I think everybody, if you've

struggled with that, you really just try to have

an open mind and look at the science, look at

the. Look at what everything on your podcast,

like, everything points back to strengthening

your faith. If that's where you come from, if.

That makes sense, that makes perfect sense. And,

Katelyn, you explain that really beautifully. So

I'm really glad you're doing this podcast, and I

hope you do a lot more because you have really

connected, I think, made a connection that is

going to be really profound and powerful for

people.

I hope so. I hope so, because I just see, you

know, I don't believe that anyone was put on this

Earth to have to live a painful life. I think

that everyone is worthy and capable and, like,

it's your birthright to be healthy and blessed

and abundant. And for some reason, a lot of stuff

in religion says otherwise. And I just want to

shed light on that. Like, and this, all. This all

points to that. That, like, we're energy, we can

raise our vibration, we can raise our frequency.

It's just. It's incredible.

It really is. And I love the word that you used

instead of fear. You didn't say faith, you didn't

say trust. You said discernment. And I think that

is a really good word choice and really profound

because nobody's saying, like, oh, just believe

everything we say. It's. Use your. Use your best

judgment at what makes sense. As you explore

these new paradigms, as you explore the available

research, as you connect to your own inner

wisdom, what feels true and what, what does the

evidence point to? And that's not just fully

rejecting something out of fear and not just

fully embracing something out of. Out of faith,

but moving toward it.

I mean, then you'd be watching TV and say, oh,

yeah, that's true, that's true. Everything. Like,

that's terrible. I tell people that all the time.

Like, don't take what I say for truth. Look it up

yourself. I even got a message recently, someone

saying, like, can you tell me? Like, she was

really intense about one of the products I share.

I shared about Sheilajit. And it was like, well,

what's this? What's that? I'm like, I don't know

all the specifics. You can look at all the brands

and make a decision for yourself. You don't have

to use what I use. So we have to use discernment

in everything? Yes, everything we buy. When you

go to the grocery store, use your critical

thinking and pick what works for you.

Yes, absolutely. And your discernment. When

listening to podcasts, I feel like sometimes

you'll have a favorite podcast host and they'll

be talking about a thing and you're like, oh, I

better take that or do it or order it. It's like,

maybe, maybe not. Again, your inner discernment

on it. Okay, so let's circle back to your

journey. So you had become very well educated in

the kind of baseline natural health modalities

that a lot of us know. Massage therapy, lymphatic

drainage, supplements. And it helped. But you

still, even though you felt intellectually like,

okay, these are all the things you felt inside.

Like, there's something, there's something more.

Yeah. And my, my body was screaming at me too.

Like, it. There was clear signs, like,

something's missing. Because I was still

struggling, not healing from trauma I had been

through. I'd been through a lot of trauma care.

Like, I had chronic lower back pain from an

accident I had been in. I had anxiety,

depression, ptsd. I couldn't drive my car to my

office without having to plan to literally be

able to pull over and work through a panic

attack. Like, I was holding it together with

trying to help my clients and trying to help

myself. And just literally by the end of the day,

it was like there were days I would crawl up the

stairs to my apartment. Like, it was just so

intense. Like, I knew something was wrong, but I

was like, how could something be wrong when I

have a sauna? I had a full size sauna in my tiny

apartment in Southern California. My poor husband

was like, everything is well. Like, I had

everything you could possibly imagine that you

know, of in the root cause community. And I. So

it got to a point where I just was like,

something has to change. I. And I made a

decision. I remember the day I was looking at my

life, like, something has to change. I have to

heal. I have to get better. I have to find what

I'm missing. And so I prayed, and it was like

this divine download that I can't even. I don't

even know how. It just was like, Search Energy

healing. Christian energy healing on Instagram.

It was so clear. It was like. And I never had

thought of that. I was like, christian energy.

Christian energy healing. I love how specific

these intuitive hits can be. Beautiful. Okay.

It was crazy. And so I did. And it's still. It

still just makes me laugh because it's like, wow.

It. It. And it's been there, like, so many. After

I, you know, told my parents about it and worked

through the certifications and all these things,

my mom was like, you know, how many people have

told us about this, like, over the years, like,

we've been.

So anyways, told them about Christian energy.

Healing, like, specifically the emotion code and,

like, energy work, like, releasing trapped

emotions. And, you know, none of us, like, like,

what is that? Who cares? So it took, like, really

getting to a breaking point and just being

desperate and praying and making that decision.

I'm gonna change. My life has to shift. And then

I came across on Instagram from that search

Christian, who did the emotion code. And so I

clicked on it and she was fully booked. And so I

thought, okay, I'm just gonna look up what is the

emotion code. If she thinks it's okay, I better

look into it because at this point, I have to

have an open mind. And, you know, I. I had

already been doing, like, bioresonance in my

practice. I had some of the frequency stuff.

Like, my lymphatic machine was frequency back

when I was 13, that one of the things that really

helped me from Lyme so that I could be well

enough to go to high school was pulsed

electromagnetic field therapy. And we knew about

red light. Like, we knew a lot of the frequency

stuff, but not to this extent. So anyways, I went

to the emotion code website and signed up for the

certification that day. I'm going to learn how to

do this and teach myself. I love it. And that,

that was the start because I started learning,

like, Dr. Bradley Nelson puts it into really

amazing. Like, just. He breaks it down so good.

Like, your energy, you're made of 99.99999%

energy. And you have emotions, and your organs

create emotions, and if you don't let them go and

they get trapped, they're going to block energy,

and so you're going to be in pain, and they can

affect everything in your life. So then I learned

how to muscle test, which I had been wanting to

learn muscle testing for so long because there

were chiropractors I went to who did it, And I'd

always ask them. I was like, how do you learn how

to muscle test? I want to know, how do you do

this? And they'd all tell me, oh, you have to go

to chiropractor school. Like, okay. So that's why

I made a muscle testing course.

I learned it out of the back of the Power vs

Force book, but.

I wish I had that one, too. Like, you can learn

it on YouTube. Like, it's so. Yeah, it's. It's

how our bodies were made, right? We're like.

We're drawn to truth, and we're repelled by

false, like, lies. So anyways, that was the

start, and so I got really obsessed with it. I

started using it on all my clients, and that

brought up the fear in my clients. And so from

right then, as I was starting to explain it to

these people in person, I realized I felt like I

had this mission. I need to demystify this and

help people see. Like, this is not evil. This is

how your body was made. Emotions are real. And

just talking about your emotions isn't always

going to be what works for me. That didn't work.

I went to therapy. It felt like it just made

things worse. So this was such an incredible

tool. And then I started seeing it transform my

clients. Right there, we'd feel energy move like

wind, and my client would look at me like, did

you feel that? Or someone would turn bright red

when an emotion left. And it was like, whoa, this

is real. This is tangible. Like, this is. This is

the next thing. Like, we have to do energy.

That's the missing piece. So then I was, like,

searching on YouTube and looking for things about

the emotion code and came across the AO scan,

which, if you're on my page, you know, I talk

about that all the time, which is just a

frequency. Another frequency tool.

Okay.

And that. That was the next thing. So between the

emotion code and the AO scan, within a couple of

months, I closed down my brick and mortar because

I realized I need to go virtual. I need to get

this word out to the masses. I need to go home

and Heal and let my body heal. And it was just

like I started having 180 after 180, after 180.

And there's been no looking back. It's just been.

And then I found you. And then I found the

Quantum Biology collective. And I was like, whoa,

this is also cool. So I've been geeking out ever

since and just cannot get enough. It's just. It's

like, it makes it all come together.

Beautiful. What an incredible journey. Okay, so

to walk us through a little bit, I mean, like, to

get super specific but high level. The emotion

code, how does that work?

So the emotion code is basically just using your

own body's subconscious and nervous system via

muscle testing. So, like, you can press on your

body and you'll hold strong if you get an answer

from your nervous system. Yes. Or your body will

go weak if it's a no. And so Dr. Bradley Nelson,

you can look him up and look, read his book. It's

like, I don't know, $15 book. And you can learn

how to do it yourself, which I love. I'm like,

anything you can give people. Like, that's what

the whole quantum biology is. It's like so many

free things people can do and totally transform

their life so fast. It's like, yeah, everyone

needs it anyway. So you identify a trapped

emotion. So we could go like, do I have a trapped

emotion? Yes. And then you can ask your body

questions, where is that trapped emotion? Your

liver? And then simply release it with, I guess

you could say, similar to acupuncture, you swipe

over your governing meridian three times and the

emotional energy leaves. Did that kind of wrap up

what it is?

Yes.

And so then he goes deeper into the body code and

the belief code. And it's really cool, but it's

like a tool I think everyone should know how to

do.

Yes. You know, there are so many, you know, as

you were just saying, like, keeping our circadian

rhythms regulated, like that is just. Should be

sort of a basic thing that everyone understands

coming out of the gate.

Right.

Like, you mostly, if you're at all health

focused, you mostly know, like, to eat healthy

food and, like, drink clean water. And there,

there are so many things that could just be

foundational pieces of information that we all

have, that we all do ourselves, that we don't

have to outsource to other people. We don't have

to hire if you have, if you do have us. I'm big

on working with practitioners for sure, but

there, there are so many things we can do just in

Our day to day lives that we're not, you know,

that we've been told are really complicated. And

I had a really good conversation with Eileen

McKusick about that where she does the bio. Like

her biofield tuning.

She was one of the ones that, like, once I read

her books, I was like, chakras, there's nothing

wrong with chakras. It's part of our body.

Because that was another big one in the Christian

community. I was like, oh, I love her so much.

Like, I've read her books so many times because

she's so incredible.

Oh, I love that. Yes. No, exactly. Well, I was

just going to say it's like we had this

conversation where we've sort of been led to

believe that trauma is like really embedded and

complex and you can't get rid of it. And

unresolved trauma absolutely has cascading

effects throughout our lives, but it doesn't have

to be unresolved.

Exactly, exactly. And I had been at. I was at

that point where I thought, because I had had

like a really scary thing happen to me and then

got rear ended on the freeway a couple weeks

later. And it felt like I was never gonna. It

took me years to heal from it because it. And it

felt like it was gonna live with me forever. But

then as soon as I started releasing trapped

emotions and I did biofield tuning eventually

too, once I found her, I was like, I bought her

tuning forks, I took her self course and like

started doing it all. But it was like, oh, the

memory is still there, but it's not creating this

physical reaction in my body anymore. I can drive

my car without shaking and having a panic attack.

I can think about what happened and not be

paranoid that someone's always chasing me or like

there can be things that used to be triggers and

it's not creating that physical response. And I

think that was a big piece to why, you know,

things weren't. Weren't healing. It was like

affecting. It affects your cells and it blocks

the meridians from flowing and like Eileen talks

about, it stays in your biofield, but it's like

you can just clear it out and have freedom and

it's transformative. Yeah.

And I feel like still to this day I feel a little

bit bad saying that. I feel like, oh, no, like,

don't make it sound so simple, Meredith. That's

not fair. But like, why not?

I mean, you know, it's a paradigm shift and

people, you know, you have to make a choice. I

had to make a choice to stop being in victim

mode. I think I feel so confident talking about

it, because I was there. I felt like, this is so

hard. How could anyone say anything to me

otherwise? How could you tell me to look at the

bright? Bright side? How could you? I remember

one of. I went. Used to go get colon

hydrotherapy, and I remember she'd tell me, she'd

be like, you know, sometimes we attract what we

are. Maybe you need. Like, she actually tried

saying that to me, and I was like, what? How

could you say? Like, I was mad afterwards, So I

get it. Like, but now, coming through it and

being on the other side, it's like, wow, we do

have to shift from victim to being triumphant.

Like, I am going to heal. I am going to change. I

am going to let this be in the past. Because

that's something I saw with my clients, too. I

built up my practice. I had all these people who

would come to see me for. Well, I went virtual,

but we do sessions, and a lot of people, not

everybody, but a good chunk of people, there was

a disconnect where they weren't really ready to

let it go. Like it was part of their identity.

And that's another thing I had to learn, too.

Lyme is not me. Lyme is just a thing. And I'm

gonna move forward from it. Like, so there's that

whole piece of. Yeah. Not being victim anymore.

Absolutely. And it's no small thing.

It is.

It is in the wider culture, I think, much safer

to feel like a victim than to feel like a

successful person and show up that way.

And it feels like our society's, like, made to

make that thrive. Like, it's. It's almost like

we're going against 99% of everybody to show up

as successful and healed and different.

Yes. And there's. There is currency in being

traumatized and damaged. And I'm gonna go. I'm

just gonna go all the way with it. And I'm

speaking of someone who has also healed a lot of

things. I haven't got into it on. On this

podcast, and I probably won't, but it was a lot.

It was a lot of things. And I think that in order

to fully let go of that victim mentality, in

order to fully let go of, like, oh, well, I have

this trauma, so I can't. It's. It's a way to have

low standards and low expectations for ourselves

and always give ourselves a way out.

Chills, mic drop, like, whoa, that needs to be a

quote. You need to put that in a quote and put it

on your Instagram. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's

huge. That was really profound.

Yeah. And I say that not just from. That's what I

see as a coach and other people. That's what I

saw in myself.

Yeah.

And then it's a continuous journey to move

through it. Every time we do something new, we

move through a version of it.

Yes. That's what, that's what came to mind was I

had to come to another version of it when I got

pregnant. And when I read, you know, I went. I'm

not going to go into all the birth stuff. That's

a whole other topic. But I read Yolanda Norris

Clark's book and I almost feel like that's a book

that, that everyone should read. Whether you want

to be a mom or not, or you've already had kids

and you're, you know, she just dives into that,

the whole victim mentality too, and she breaks it

down. And it helped me. I ended up having a free

birth, and that was my choice. And my husband and

I did that together. And I know everyone has

their opinions on that, but I felt so empowered.

And it was like the last. Well, I'm sure there's

more to work through, but another big chunk of

that victim of the negativity of it just, it

helped me shed that. Like, giving birth in that

way was so empowering. It was like I gave birth

to a new version of myself. And afterward, I

remember I just felt like, wow, I'm stepping into

my most authentic self now. And that's actually

something that really helped in every area of my

life. But it is a continual shedding. It's like

the onion, you gotta peel back all these layers

and it's kind of the never ending onion, but it.

Yes. And some days you're like, where is the

goddamn end of this onion?

Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

Sorry to swear. I just want everyone to know when

I swear, I have calibrated the words to resonate

at a very high frequency. It's not real swearing.

So I, I was reading some of your experience and I

wanted to talk about this a little bit more. You

mentioned it briefly, but when you were doing in

person work with people, you were seeing them in

your clinic. You were, you know, putting your

hands on them to do them, to do massage therapy.

You talked about, like, the energetic effects of

that and how you had to learn to shield yourself

and ground yourself and protect yourself in that

experience. So I know a lot of people who are

still. There are a lot of people who are still in

the. In person you ultimately chose to go

virtual. But while you were still in that space,

how did you come to understand how to stay

protected while working with other people?

Yeah, I remember one. As I was learning, I talked

to a few of my clients about it. I was like, man,

sometimes clients come in and I feel like. Like I

touch them, and if they're angry, I'm angry, and

they leave happy. And if I remember specifically,

like, there would be times when someone would

come in with something really severe, like cancer

or something, where they were just really down in

the dumps, low and in pain. And I would almost

feel. I would feel the pain in the exact same

spot that they were saying. And so I remember

just feeling like, what is this? This is so

weird. I don't want this. This feels icky, and it

just would feel heavy. Can you hear my baby

really loud in the back?

I can hear her very quietly, and.

It'S beautiful, so don't worry about it. It's so

weird to be away from her. Anyway, so I was

talking to some clients about it, and they were

like, well, just envision a white bubble around

you. I think, okay, that's cool. And I started

trying to do that, and I think it helped a

little, but I didn't totally understand, so that

was kind of the start. And then I started

learning more about grounding, and I started just

envisioning myself before I would go in to work

with a client. I'd envisioned myself having my

energy grounded deep into the earth. And that was

something that really helped me a lot. But it was

never really enough until that short period when

I learned about the emotion code and the AO scan.

And I was really seeing how, like, with muscle

testing, you can swipe, see if you can see your

governing meridian three times, the sweat, you

know, and clear energy off of you. And so now I

still do that to this day. If I walk past someone

and I feel something, I'm just like, get off of

me. And that really started helping. And then the

AO scan, there's frequencies you can run for

energetic clear and energetic shield. And those

made such a difference. It was, you know, those

last few months or couple months in my practice,

I started doing that every day, and it was just a

game changer. So.

So tell me a little more about the AO scan. I

don't know what that is.

Oh, okay. So the AO scan is a subscription that

you can have on your phone. You can log into it

from basically any device like, that connects to

the Internet, and it will transform your computer

or your phone into A frequency generator. So

you're familiar with bioresonance, Right. Where

you can get a scan. Like, I used to have a really

expensive one. You put your hand on it and it

would scan your whole body. And I'd have to be

with clients for like an hour and a half and to

see everything that's out of balance in your body

energetically. So it's not lab work. It's not.

It's like taking a picture in time, like a

snapshot in time to see where your body's

resonating at. So this goes from, you know, all

of your bones to your nerves, your mitochondria,

which I started geeking out about that once I was

in the course, the quantum course, because it was

like, whoa. Like, I can optimize my mitochondria

every day. So this is a little different from a

lot of bioresonance on the market, because you

can then optimize everything it scanned for that

was out of balance. So it's like, I don't pay

attention a whole lot to the reports. I just love

to put my body back into homeostasis every day.

And then on top of that, there's custom sound

therapy. So, like voice analysis. You can record

your voice and create sound therapy tailored to

exactly what emotions you need to release and

bring balance to which that was a huge piece.

That was like emotion code with. That was. I

mean, I felt like that's why I was clearing so

much so fast, because it was like, whoa, I'm. I'm

getting to the root of the emotions. And it's so

cool because it shows the physical connections

and the energetic connections to those emotions

that it found out of balance within your voice.

You know how people are so telling. Like you can

hear them talk and they're happy, or you can hear

them talk and you get depressed. You're like,

whoa. Like, I feel that this technology actually

picks up. It scans over 10,000 frequencies within

your voice to like, spit out these frequencies

for you every single day or however much you want

to do. So then there's the whole. You know,

there's so much. That's why I talk about it so

much on my page. And I have like hour long

YouTube videos on it. And, like, it's so in

depth. It's. It used to be a $38,000 practitioner

system. Like doctors and clinics have it.

Yeah.

But then I believe it was in 2021, Lauren

Swenson, who developed all of this, he had the

vision, and they had the vision to bring that

sound therapy part to everybody. Because, you

know, everyone was struggling in 2020.

Yeah.

And then they made it so now anyone can have

access to it. So there's so much more cool

subconscious reprogramming. There's a lot, but

that's what the EOS scan is.

That's really fun.

It is fun.

So that, yes, helped with your ability to stay

within your own energy and not take. Take on

whatever your clients were bringing in that day.

And I think shedding those layers of emotions

too, like just working on yourself, releasing

trapped emotions gives you the space where you're

actually, like, resilient. You're not, because,

you know, everything acts like a magnet. So if

you have, I don't know, 20 on the low side, 20

trapped emotions of fear, those are always going

to be attracting more emotions of fear or things

that vibrate at that same level. So if you have

all these trapped emotions of unworthiness,

sadness, depression, anxiety, like I had all of

these just bombarding me. And I remember working

through, I felt like I was like releasing

thousands of trapped emotions. It attracts more

of that into your life because you're. That's

where you're vibrating at. So as you raise your

frequency and you heal and just, you know, like,

we see people release parasites, right, when they

just. They just start doing the circadian stuff.

Like, just raising your frequency helps you shed

the negativity and the sickness and the disease

and the bad stuff, and you start to attract

different. And you. The stuff doesn't stick to

you.

It's so cool. It's also amazing. And it's, you

know, back to what we were saying earlier, right?

Like, if we had just some baseline understanding

of this, we could be clearing that stuff out as

we go. You know, it's like being like, oh, you

know, instead of like vacuuming once a year, it's

like, oh, I'm supposed to vacuum once a week.

Okay. Right. Like, you know, we, we allow these

things to build up because we can't see them. And

we, we've been left ignorant of. Of how to just

do maintenance that way. But it's. When I got

pregnant, it's not that complicated.

It's really not. But when I got pregnant, I was

like, I'm gonna start releasing all the inherited

trapped emotions this way. Because when you

release the inherited stuff, it releases in your

kids too, and your whole generational line and

started releasing them from my baby. I'm like,

once a week I just check, and there's really

nothing there. But it's just. It feels so cool to

be able to Set up a little human from the

beginning without coming in with all this baggage.

That's really beautiful. That's so beautiful. I

love that. So you brought up mitochondria. Talk

to me about, you know, like, let's sort of bring

it together with just daily habits and the

lights, you know, the light and dark cycles and

all of the circadian stuff. How have. How has it

all sort of come together for you? Because you

did. You did the deep dive. You studied, you got

certified, so you went all the way.

Yeah. So that was. That's. I think, what really

helped get my hormones. It just, like, tied it

all together. It was like, okay, these are the

things that are so foundational. It's like. It

brings you to the terrain theory. Like, if the

terrain is good and our hormones are, you know,

producing at the right times of the day, it just

all makes it, like. It's just cohesive. Your body

can now work. So. Learning about sun. The sun was

my favorite because, you know, Heather's program

on the sun. It was so. Because I've always loved

the sun. I've wanted to go bake in the sun for

hours on end, and I've, like, wanted to be out in

the morning. Like, it's just something I think

we're all born with intuitively. But then society

comes in and just kind of crushes it. Like,

you're. You get almost tuned into everything else

feeling good. Like, it feels good to sleep in and

feels good to look at your phone until it

doesn't. Until it, like, actually is wreaking

havoc on your health. So learning. I think the

first day I listened to that about sunrise, I

started going outside every morning, and it made

such a difference. It was like, whoa, I can feel

a difference. And I just craved to be outside

even more. And that was probably the biggest game

changer for me, was because I Learning about how

just that sunrise light, whether it's cloudy or

not or whatever the weather is, like, it sets you

up for the rest of the day where you're not

gonna. You know, you precondition your skin. You

build that solar callus. You set up cord, like,

cortisol. Like, I love talking about cortisol

because it's. We have these free tools you can

use to balance things. So I just started, like,

being out. I remember cold mornings. I'd bundle

up and sit outside with my coffee for, like,

three hours. Like, I'm gonna heal. I'm gonna heal

with sunlight even more. And that's just carried

through, like, the first couple days after my

baby was born, I would bring her outside, like,

every day. Like, we're getting sunlight, we're

getting. I still bring her out at sunrise. We go

out, like, every couple hours to get all the

white codes. And the only thing that's been hard

with a baby is wearing my blue light blockers.

That's been tough because she just wants them.

She just pulls them off your face. Yeah, that's

true.

Yeah. I still wear them at night, but when she's

asleep. Yeah, yeah. It's just. It's. It's. It's

life. And once you build the habit, it's a part

of your life. Like, it just. It's a part of your

life now. Like, you can't go any other way. And

grounding, like, every morning we go ground. It's

just turned into such a nice routine. And I think

that's actually really helpful for moms with

young kids is if you have this routine where you

get the sun, you ground, you go outside multiple

times, no matter what the weather is, or you

crack a window. Like, it really. I mean, maybe

it's just my baby's temperament, but she is so

happy all the time. And I can tell if we need

more sun or need to get outside or need to ground

if she starts to not be a little happy. And then

it's like, instant. We get in the grass, we get

in the sun, we go to the beach. Instantly, she's

just perfect again.

Wow, that's really interesting, because I know,

you know, for a lot of parents, it's like, oh,

I'll turn the TV on, or I'll give them a show.

Oh, they're a bit grumpy. Like, I'll just give

them a show to watch or.

I think that makes sense.

I definitely did that back in the day. But, yeah.

Oh, going outside a couple shows.

But the windows always open and the doors open in

short amounts of time. But I can see. I can see

that change her, too. So it's. I've almost, you

know, I go back and forth, like, should we watch

a little bit of something so I can drink my

coffee or. No, it's always better when we just go

outside. Yeah, but no judgment. It's there. It's

just. You can do these little things, like open

the window if it's on, or, you know, I want to

get a projector at some point, because that'll be

a little better, but.

Oh, that's a fun idea. Yes. And truly, no

judgment. My children all have screens, and, you

know, we live. We don't homeschool. We live in

the. In the prescribed prescription world of, you

know, normal society. And, you know, that's just

how we've chosen to do it.

And, yeah, it just shows how powerful it still

is, though. Like, you don't have to live some

hippie woo woo life for this to change your life.

And you don't have to, like, change your whole

identity and be a totally different. Like, that's

just who I am. I love being outside and I want to

homeschool. That's just me because I was

homeschooled when I was little. But no, not

everyone has to do that. It's so, like, just work

it into your schedule. Like, I loved when Carrie

would talk about just cracking the windows on her

way to school drop off or opening the sunroof

and, you know, popping on your blue light

blockers or wearing wired headsets instead of

Bluetooth and just all the simple little things

you can shift.

Yes. And when, you know, I think that's an

important message I always like to bring up is

every little thing matters. You know, going

outside in the morning for even five minutes,

even two minutes before other light hits your

eyes or, you know, not turning on those big

overhead lights after sunset. Like, just little

things. And one thing I hear a lot is people are

like, oh, I listen to your podcast, but I'm just

so overwhelmed at the thought of changing every

light bulb in my house. I don't think. I don't

think I can do this circadian thing. And I'm

like, oh, my gosh, if I left you with that

impression, the. My bad. Just don't turn them on.

It's very simple. You don't have to change

everything. Just have some lamps with

incandescent bulbs and don't turn on the big

lights. You don't have to because, you know,

we're all. We all have ceilings filled with those

LEDs that.

And a lot of us have husbands who think it's

really annoying for it to be dark. It's a fight

over here. So, you know, it's. It is what it. Not

all of our bulbs are changed. I've slowly changed

them. And he's like, why are these so dim? Did I

get any brighter? So it's. Just do what you can

and it's gonna help no matter what. Like, it's

not perfection. And that's like, it goes for

everything with health. It's not perfection. And

everything in your life, you cannot show up

perfect for anything. And if you try, you're just

gonna be depressed.

Right. It's another one of those traps that we

set for ourselves. Right. We're like, I am going

to play an unwinnable game, and I'm not allowed

to feel successful or happy until this unwinnable

game is won. But it's unwinnable.

And that's like. I don't know if you want to talk

about abundance at all, but, like, that's one of

the huge blocks to abundance. Like, we get so

caught up in what's next and what. What can I do

to, you know, if you're on social media, like, do

more posts and, like, all this perfection instead

of just enjoying where you're at now, doing what

you can now, knowing that it's good enough and

just, you know, everyone struggles with that. I

still struggle with that, but it's. It's so much

more enjoyable to go through life. And I think it

frees up your healing when you don't try to

control. Because it's like human nature is to

control everything and grip onto everything

really tightly. But as soon as you surrender,

it's like, the river can flow, everything can

work. And then, you know, I feel like the bad

stuff doesn't affect you as much.

Yes. And I find too, when you get in that flow,

then ideas come and we feel called to do things

that will require us to push ourselves a little

bit.

Yes.

But it's coming from this place of abundance, not

a place of, like, I have to do this.

Yes. And it's fulfilling and it's like your

passion. And it's like, it's so different. It's

so different. Like, it's. It is hard work to do

any of, you know, to change your life in any way.

It's hard work, but it's harder to stay where

you're at. In my opinion. It would have been a

lot harder if I would have just stayed where I

was at. I'd be. Yeah, it was hard work to get

where I am now, but so worth it. And not as hard.

Yeah, yeah.

Not as painful.

And so rewarding.

Yeah, it's amazing. Life is really cool. And I

love, you know. Yeah, I love this chat, like, and

coming into the mitochondria, you know, and the

idea of, like, clearing our emotions, clearing

toxic light. Right. Like these. These are all the

frequencies and these, these little.

These, these.

I don't even know. I saw Martin Picard, who does

a lot of really interesting mitochondrial

research and bioenergetics, and he was. He did a

post recently. He's like, we gotta stop with the

powerhouse of the cell. It's been 60 years. It's

not accurate. And I thought, okay, so what are

we? What's the new catchphrase? And so now I call

on everyone if we're. If we're gonna upgrade from

powerhouse of the cell, like what should we call

it? Because it encompasses everything. Right. As

you were saying. Right. Like strengthening our

mitochondria from physical practices like

grounding and reducing toxic light.

Oh.

Gives us energy for emotional healing which may

come. Which may come next. And that. That idea of

the nonlinear healing and people. You know, I've

had people reach out to me lately who said they

started with the circadian stuff and like their

sleep is worse and they're like, yeah. And it

turned out I had all this emotional work to do.

So it's just so interesting how our bodies.

Yeah, the whole layer thing. A layer cake. Yeah.

It's just I feel like too. People need to

remember as you heal, this is like a lifelong

journey. It's not a three week cleanse. It's not

a three month cleanse. This is lifelong. And we

weren't. It's not just our lifetime. We have to

look at everything that affected ourselves and

our mitochondria and our muscles and everything.

Our fascia, like the fascia is so complex. It's

like generational. It's multi. Generational

things that have affected us. And so we're

peeling back these layers. And sometimes when

your body gets that energy to actually be able to

address what's been underlying or hiding deep in

your tissues or in your organs, it's gonna be a

little painful and be a little frustrating

because now your body's like, oh, hey, I can

target this. I can clear this out. I can. You can

feel this emotion now, and it's just. It's just a

part of it.

Yeah. And I love what you just said. You can feel

this emotion now. Because I think so much of our

energy goes towards making sure we don't have to

feel certain things. And I've been really digging

in lately. I've been putting myself out there and

pushing myself to do things. And I'm like, oh,

but it's gonna make me feel. And I'm like, yep.

And it did. And you know what? It passes. It just

flows through. I think if I'm not trying to block

it or six seconds.

Yeah. For an emotion to pass. Yeah. But it can.

You know, but then it can trigger. You know, the

cool thing about trapped emotions is they talk

about how they're really energetically the size

of your fist, but when they get triggered, they

can blow up to the size of a balloon or a beach

ball energetically. And then that can kind of

create this trigger effect through your whole

body, triggering the rest of them. And so it can

feel so overwhelming when you first start, but it

does get easier and easier and easier the more

you let yourself feel, because then you can

actually feel in the moment when something's

happening too. Because that's actually how

emotions get trapped. We stuff it down and we

don't feel it, and we, like, we want to avoid it.

And that creates this cycle of just stuffing it

down, stuffing and stuffing, and, you know.

Yeah.

Creates this whole problem.

And then the problems begin or continue or get

worse or whatever. Oh, my goodness, Caitlin, it's

been so delightful to talk to you. I'm so glad we

got to meet and have this conversation before I.

You share sort of how people can find you. Is

there anything that else that you'd like to say

before we wrap up?

I don't know. I just. It's just all so good. I

feel like we could talk for hours. Like, there's

just so many different rabbit holes you can go

down and just. It's all so good. And quantum

biology is just. It's life changing. And I didn't

think that the emotional side of it really fit in

to the quantum biology. You know, back when it

was the two part course and then the second part

came in and Carrie was talking about Eileen, I

was like, oh, they know about Eileen McKusick. I

was so excited. Like, it was like, this does fit

in. It's all together. So I was like, am I

talking about the same stuff? Does this fit in

together? And then that kind of led me to looking

for trapped emotions specifically affecting the

mitochondria in my clients. And, like, looking at

it from this whole new lens of, like, how are

emotions affecting the circadian side of it, the

quantum side of it? And it just kind of turned

into this whole new, like, it is connected and

it's all important and we need to focus on all of

it.

Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah, for sure. No, it is

because it's. I mean, we. I think light's a great

way in because it's so misunderstood and ignored.

And it's just such an easy fix once you

understand the basics of it. But at the end of

the day, light is. Is frequency. Emotions are

frequency. It's all frequency. And it's trapped

in the. In the structured water in our bodies,

and it's doing all the things. And there's sound

and light and the motion code and all of it works

with the energy of our body as you so beautifully

laid out.

Yeah, yeah. And so many ways to address all of

that, too. Like, there's, you know, emotion

code's not the only way. There's breath, there's

sound bowls, there's somatic work. There's, like,

so many different avenues people can go down to

just start healing. And all of it's raising our

vibration and raising our frequency. So it's all

connected.

Yeah, I love it. And so where can people find

you, Katelyn?

The best place is probably my Instagram.

Aitlinsimmonsofficial, and that's where I'm most

active, like, in my DMs. I am on my Facebook, but

everything from Instagram just gets uploaded to

Facebook, so I'm not super active over there. My

YouTube's really not consistent yet, but I'm

planning to do more YouTube, so probably

Instagram.

Okay, great. So that's at Caitlin Simmons,

official on Instagram. And Kaitlyn is spelled K,

A, T, E, L, Y, N Simmons. S, I, M. Thank you so

much. This was delightful, and we'll have to do

it again. Thank you, Meredith, and

congratulations on one full year of being a mama.

Thank you. It's been the best.