You. Hi, Caitlin. Welcome to the QVC podcast.

It's so great to meet you.

It's so nice to meet you too, Meredith. Thanks

for having me.

My pleasure. So I heard about you because you

have a clinic in Los Angeles called the Quantum

Clinic. I was like, ooh, what's that? So I

noticed that you're, you know, you've really,

your approach is, comes from a place of quantum

coherence. Like when I, when I read your work or

go to your website, that's a starting place for

you. Could you just share sort of what that means

to you and how you explain it to people, the

concept of quantum coherence?

Sure, absolutely. So I think before I dive right

into that, it's helpful to have a little bit of a

frame of reference for how I approach this

emergent paradigm of understanding. And anytime

we talk about quantum systems, obviously people

have these, you know, typically one of two

reactions. They either think we're talking about

quantum mechanics, you know, and observer, you

know, wave particle duality, you know, they get

really granular with it. And there is a lot of

science coming out that sort of is in that realm,

but there's also this other realm which is a

little bit more kind of based in an understanding

of mind body science. So understanding that that

awareness or that field, that observer actually

is operating inside of us. So for me, with my

background being in clinical psychology, I have a

doctorate in clinical psychology and was

practicing here in Los Angeles county for about

15 years before starting Quantum Clinic. I wanted

to really, you know, empower people with the

skills and space to be able to begin to develop

what's called interoception or that awareness of

their internal states so that they can create

greater coherence in their own lives from the

inside out. Right, right. Because coherence

though it is, you know, it, it can be defined as

simply a, it's a degree of correlation in the

electromagnetic field. Resonances, right.

Electromagnetism, the spectrum of light beyond

just visible light. All things emit a, a small

but measurable electromagnetic field, including

every cell in our body and every thought. Right.

Creates a pattern of this information flowing

throughout our physical body. And so we really

work at that intersection there of where

intention and the active cultivation of these

positive or life affirming emotional states,

which really then catalyzes or creates the

conditions for, for physiological coherence. And

so primarily at Quantum Clinic, we're working

with heart brain coherence. That's something that

a lot of people these days are familiar with or

have heard about. But you Know, they're wanting

to like, have an experience of it. And so that's.

Hopefully that answered your question.

Yes, I love. No, that was beautifully expressed.

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Dr. Lehman. I. And

brought up something that I've been kind of

grappling with lately. So, you know, I have my

background, I was an English major and worked as

a executive coach. So I'm like, by no means a

scientist. And I was very much in, in the world

of energy medicine and, and healing for personal

reasons. And I started to understand some of the

basics of quantum physics and quantum biology.

And for some of us, like, for you and for me,

it's like, oh, there's science that's explaining,

you know, distance healing, energy healing, all

of the things. But what I've noticed is that the

scientists are still managing. And you alluded to

this in your answer, right. Like, they're still

managing to somehow acknowledge that it exists,

but just pull out some practical scientific

applications and not shift the paradigm at all.

Right.

And I think I, I think I thought like, oh, now

that quantum biology is real, everyone's going to

understand that we're energetic beings alight.

And it's not happening. I know I was, I was naive.

It is happening. And that's important to honor

and acknowledge. It's just that our institutions

and general medical practice. Right. Is very much

rooted in Cartesian, you know, Western

understanding of the split between mind and body.

Right. We are our entire. You know, the

development of Western medicine was rooted in the

belief that the body could be viewed as, you

know, sort of this hermetically sealed object,

right, that could be tinkered with like a machine

and, and that, you know, sort of we just left the

soul or the spirit or the, the, the life force

with, through which this whole symphony of a body

being is, is, is activated through. We leave that

over there to the philosophers and the religious

scientists and we, we focus exclusively on, on,

on this kind of narrow view of human experience.

And that led to a lot of incredible developments

in Western medicine. And, and certainly it's not,

you know, let's throw the baby out with the

bathwater. I think right now we're in a place

where, and psychology has a big part to play in

this. Where how can we communicate about the

emergent paradigm in a way that intuitively makes

sense to those who have a little bit more of a

traditional approach to health and human

functioning.

Yes, yeah, no, definitely. And I think what I've

been following the field of quantum biology and

there's the academic part of it is Growing. And

there are more and more people who are, you know,

it's not like a, a weird thing anymore. No, but

when I read their work, it's like entirely

focused on creating medical devices or

pharmaceuticals or technology.

Technology as, as something as it.

External. And any other repercussions of this,

you know, of what this science is really telling

us is, is just being completely ignored. And I

was like, how can you. And then I was like, oh

wait, but that's what we did 100 years ago with

quantum physics. We made computers and bombs and

didn't shift our materials materialist paradigm

one inch.

Yes. Yeah.

At least in, in the mainstream scientific

community. And I just see it happening again.

So Meredith, we, the. We, the wicked witches of

the west, must unite. Refuse to allow that to

happen.

That's what we're doing here. That's the goal.

Right. Because the other thing I noticed about

the scientists is that they have absolutely like,

no, like it's completely out of their wheelhouse

to communicate their findings to the general

public. Right. Like, you know, well, that's not.

Sunlight is so important and blue light is so

bad. And they're like, oh yeah, no, we know it's

terrible. They tell us. But there's no. So that,

that storytelling bridge is what you're saying?

Yeah, yeah, that there's a storytelling bridge

and a communication component to, to

translational science. Right. Taking the

traditional academic research and the journal

articles and then kind of conveying that to a

public audience or a general audience is a skill

in and of itself and one that, you know, there

are more and more thought leaders out there doing

just that. And I think this conversation is a

part of that. Right. We all are in a position

where many of us, especially those who are drawn

to kind of like the intuitive energy oriented

modalities or paths to living a more vibrant,

sustainable, joyous and healthy life. We, we have

all of this intuitive understanding and because

we live in a culture that really only validates

strict empiricism. Right. To, to, to. As the, as

the metric for determining truth. Right. Or you

know, suggesting that something could be, quote,

real. Right. We all feel like we're a bunch of

quacks when in reality, you know, the emergent

paradigm is fundamentally different in that it

allows for the multiplicity of experience to be

equally valid even when those two experiences

fundamentally contradict one another. Right.

That, that, that, that is a part of this journey.

And as humanity continues to evolve, it's my

belief that we will ultimately arrive at a place

where we can, can embrace that diversity of

Experience and the multiplicity of lived

realities as, as a strength and not a threat to

the hegemony of, you know, the way in which our

culture sort of like perpetuates a particular

view as, as the gold standard for truth.

Yes, and it's interesting to hear you say that

because that was kind of where I was landing

yesterday. I was having a meditative moment and

it's like, you know, but yeah, it'll be what

it'll be and we, but the beauty of it is that we

get to do whatever we want.

Here we are.

Here we are. Yeah, we have this technology and we

can.

Well, we are the technology and that's the, you

know, I think that's to, to your point earlier,

there's, there's all of this awakening in, you

know, and I'm someone who art advocates for. We,

we need a completely new scientific paradigm, a

set of, you know, we need a new ontological

foundation upon which our science can, can

reimagine itself. Right. This, this strictly

reductionist way of understanding the world

simply hasn't worked out. And so I'm really

fascinated by kind of complexity science and

ecological systems theory in addition to quantum

mechanics and quantum physics. I think there's a

really interesting conversation right now that

ultimately brings us back to some of the very

ancient conversations that philosophers have been

having for, for millennia, right? Which is that

it appears that there's this divine intelligence

embedded in the fabric of the universe, right? At

all, across all scales, right? From, from the

Planck scale, you know, which is the smallest

scale below which the laws of physics, you know,

fall apart, right? The Planck scale, bits of

information to atoms, to, you know, molecules, to

cells, to organs and bones and bodies. And you

know, then you keep zooming out and so, so it's

really about, it really comes back to, I think,

embracing the reality that there are questions in

this universe for which there will never be

finite answers, right? To, to we will there. And

that's the nature of, that's the nature of

reality. So how do we, how do we even work with

that? And what do we, what is it within our power

to choose to create a world that supports more

people having access to, you know, these, these

methods, these techniques that support their well

being and their health and human functioning,

right? So when, when we talk about heart, brain

coherence at Quantum Clinic, really truly it's,

it's a meditative practice. It's the synchronized

entrainment of three variables. Respiration,

heart rate variability and blood pressure. And

that can be done by connecting, you know, your

Intention with your breath and your body. But

really what sets it off, what really elevates

those coherence scores is, is the cultivation of

joy or love or gratitude or deep appreciation.

Right. These, these felt experiences of awe and

wonder and authenticity. Right. That, that is

what sets your coherence score apart from just an

ordinary meditation. And you can really begin to

practice that. And you know, so people would say,

well, why would I? Well, because it feels good to

be in those states certainly. Right. And

ultimately, you know, it's associated with

approximately 5,000 different neurochemical and

neurobiological changes in the body. Right away

from stress, it's sort of. And into these life

affirming states which supports a deeper

integration of trauma, of interpersonal stress,

of emotional dysregulation, et cetera, et cetera.

And those are the things that like cause people

to have premature health, you know, issues like

to get sick. Right. Is, is, is truly a relational

dynamic. You know, germ theory has its place,

don't get me wrong. Like yes, germs are real. I

have a kid, I have a six year old. So like I know

germs are real, but it's also germs at school

with his friends, right? Like, you know, like, so

it's, there's, there's, you know, so again it's

not, we don't have to throw out the old paradigm

in order to create space for the new. And that's

really, I think an important part of the larger

conversation here is like how, how do we, how do

we like come together and move through this with

joy and love and respect for one another?

Yes. Yeah, I love that. And, and you know, I see

this science because sometimes I have people,

they're like, you know, they're like, what do you

mean? What do you mean that there's finally

evidence for quantum effects than human systems.

Like of course, of course, we are quantum beings.

What do we need that science for? But I see it as

a bridge, as you're saying, as we're all in a

slightly different place, let's say ontologically

and each step forward it builds a bridge that it

could be, we could use in our own unique way to

get to our next place.

100%.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it would be wonderful to

have a medical device that treats cancer with

light instead of chemotherapy. Like that would be

great. I'm not well.

The FDA just approved a sound based device.

Oh, wonderful.

That ablates cancer tumors using sound waves for

surgery.

Yeah, that's wonderful to hear because I've had

several People on the podcast, brilliant people

who are like, oh, I did experiments since as an

undergrad and I was killing cancer cells with

sound or light or whatever. I'm like, what

happened? Like, I don't know. No one was

interested. I moved on.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm glad to hear that.

Yeah. I mean we at Quantum Clinic, you know,

sound ultras think of ultrasound, right, to, to

create a visual image. It's sound waves being

passed through the body that then processes produ

are able to produce an image of structures inside

of the body. That's how we look at babies in

utero, right, Is through the application of non

audible sound wave frequencies. But, but the, the

whole realm of audible sound actually is, is an,

a very interesting area of study and, and one

that we're involved in at Quantum Clinic. I'm

sorry, my cat is very excited about being here

right now. She's rubbing her face up on the

computer. Come here, sweetie.

Oh, we love a good cat visit.

Hey, so, so audible frequencies, right? Sounds

that support autonomic nervous system regulation

integration. Think of solfeggiotones or binaural

beats, right? These are, these are compositions

of frequencies that support, you know, again,

sort of an ordering effect within the body,

right? Because when you apply sound to let's say

water, right. Of which most of the body is

comprised of water molecules, so you apply sound

to water, it has an ordering effect, a

structuring effect. It creates resonant patterns

or geometric shapes in the water itself. And as

that is is passing through the body and beyond

being a relaxing experience which many people

associate like a sound bath or a sound healing

session with a state of relaxation, you know,

what, what, what we're seeing is that it promotes

again this quantum coherence. It has a, it has a,

an organizing effect on our physiology and our

psychology in such a way that it allows for the,

the flow of energy and information in the body in

a way that's more fluid, that's less stagnant. It

can help move energetic blocks. It can help open

up parts of our experience that we hadn't

previously felt or had access to. And again, this

is why in my opinion, it's so important that we

involve the psychological sciences in this, you

know, communication about this paradigm. Because

you know, if you think of, of, of the, the

totality of the quantum system that, that we are

perceiving and experiencing through, you know,

our lives. Right, well, well how is that then

communicated to us? Right? Well, it's through

sensation, image, feeling and thought. Those are

innately psychological factors. There's no

there's no feeling state in the, the brain

doesn't feel, the brain doesn't see. It's

interpreting all of this information at the speed

of light. And we are subjectively experiencing

that through our field of awareness. Right. So

awareness then becomes the, the healing mechanism

as our awareness expands or contracts because it

will do both over the lifespan. Right. As it, as

it continues to evolve and, and develop as we, as

we go through life. Well then you, you, you

become more capable of seeing the world

differently or perhaps others seeing the world

more rigidly, you know, and, and so then it's,

it, it's about this dynamic interplay between

rigidity and flexib and flexibility and obviously

flexibility and rigidity, both, neither are

perfect balance. You have to have boundaries on

one hand and openness on the other. But you know,

how we navigate that then becomes the dance of

life. And what a beautiful dance it is.

Yes. So talk to me about the concept of scalar

waves and how they play into this because you

have a device and this has come up a lot and I

haven't talked about it on here, so I'd love for

you to explain.

Yeah, so scalar waves are what's called non

Hertzian waves. And there's a significant debate

in the scientific community. Community as to what

exactly is a scalar wave. I actually wrote about

this in a book that I wrote that's still

unpublished, but maybe one day it will, it will

come out. And, and, and so it's, you know, people

have different definitions for what is it. But

the properties of a scalar wave that make it

unique is that, it's my understanding. And again,

I'm not a physicist. I'm, my background is in

clinical psychology. So I, I will do, I will have

this conversation to the best of my ability.

We are having, we are telling the story of the

science.

Yes, yes, exactly. We're not giving it, I'm not,

I'm not saying I have all.

Okay, people.

But, but these waves don't behave like

traditional waves in, in so much as they, when

they, when they're moving through space and they,

and they come up against physical matter, so say

a human body or a wall or whatever, they're

perceived to pass through it. So they're

omnipresent. Right. They're, they're, it's, it's

everywhere. It's almost like. Okay, you know,

and, and our kind of Newtonian physics,

understanding classical, you know, classical laws

of physics don't, doesn't really hold the

complexity of that. Like what, what do you mean?

Where, well, where does it. So it's almost like

you have to have a new, new framework in order

to, to understand this, which is why I really am

resonate with the, the concept or the idea that's

been posited of, you know, the holographic

principle that, you know, each atom contains

everything, all of the information from the

universe itself, right? Like that, every, the

smallest bit contains all, right? And so if you

think of the world in that way, well then maybe

these scalar waves are merely just the

communication between and among all of those

points. People may be familiar with the type of

art called pointillism, right, where each, you

stand far away from the painting and it looks

like a beautiful landscape, right? There's that

famous one of the guy holding the umbrella, the

couple walking through the park or something. I

forget who did it anyway, and then you come up to

the painting and you see it's actually just a

bunch of little dots, right? So if you think of

scalar energy as being this pluripotentiality,

right, perhaps like the Vedic traditions or the

Eastern philosophical traditions have talked

about, you know, the universe is, is the yin and

yang, the potential, right. I, I like to think of

scalar energy as, as the activation or the

awareness of that pure potentiality that exists

in every point in the field. Right. And that,

that then would make sense why these waves don't

stop at matter because matter is also just

another point on, in the larger tapestry of

existence. Right? So when, when we talk about,

you know, what it, okay, what is. So that's,

that's more of an abstract philosophical

conversation of what is scalar energy? The

ultimate, you know, response is well, we don't

really know. It sort of doesn't quite fit our

traditional models of understanding. But the best

way that I know how to describe it is that it,

that it's the activation of a, of some sort of

latent potentiality that exists. Right? Okay. And

then there, there are technologies, emergent

technologies coming on the market, and we have

one of those, there are many which, which uses

coils, hand wound copper coils that are

configured in a particular geometric patterning.

There are three coils and inert noble gases in

plasma tubes. So that then when the device is

turned on, purports to, again as I mentioned

earlier, sort of have a structuring effect. It

activates the potentiality within the field

generated in and around the technology itself

and, and audible frequencies are passed through

that, administered through headphones and a

vibrating waterbed. And the feedback that we get

from clients is that it's very supportive of any

kind of autonomic dysregulation. So any anxiety,

stress, emotional overwhelm. We get a lot of

people who deal with chronic inflammatory

diseases like fibromyalgia or there are lots of

them these days, people dealing with

comorbidities around pain, pain in the body, and

just kind of fog, Right. Mental fog, and that

they have this experience which lasts for about

45 minutes. They're exposed to these sound

frequencies in the body and through the ears, and

they're in this field, this structured field, and

it, and it brings the potentiality, the electric,

the electromagnetic current in the body up to its

fullest potential. Right. So it's like it wakes

things up, so to speak. And again, kind of tying

it into the realm of like, what is this quantum

world we're talking about? Well, it's the realm

of sensation, image, feeling or thought. And so

as people are having this experience of laying on

the bed and being. Being supported by a clinician

who, who orients them to the space and encourages

them to set an intention for their healing. You

know, we, we are very. At quantum clinic, we're

attuned to the relational and human qualities of

healing. Very much so. So that's an important

part of this. Right. And, and that often then

that process of connecting to one's intention or

whatever will evoke a particular type of journey.

Right. While you're receiving these frequencies,

some people go to the distant past, rate of their

souls, previous incarnations. Some people stay

very much in the body. Some people drift into a

state of sort of kind of sleep. Right. It really

depends on, you know, what's coming up for the

person or the individual. But what we've noticed

is that people then, when they exit that service

tend to feel much more embodied, present,

connected, grounded, less pain, less

inflammation. And. Yeah, that. I think, we think

that's a net positive for humanity right now.

Yes, definitely. And I, yeah, I love these, these

technologies that are acknowledging this other

layer to existence that our traditional

understanding doesn't fully teach us, is there?

Yeah, because we're so, we're opening to the

healing, but we're also opening to seeing the

world this way, which will remain as part of your

life experience even after you've left the

session, I would imagine.

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

I was talking to someone, they. And they told me

a story about one of these like, scalar devices.

And the person was having like an energy reading

done of their home by an intuitive. And so the,

the intuitive was like reading the energy of the

house to see I, whatever, we, whatever you would

do that for. And yeah, she was like, oh, there's,

there's something, there's the frequency is much

higher like in this area, like in this closet or

there's something that's very much higher. And

they were like, oh, that's where we have our

scalar machine. That's where we have our scalar

device turned on because they had it like next to

their WI fi router or something. They put the

scalar there to balance it out. And that was the,

I heard that story. I'm like, oh, okay. I'm

curious about this now.

Yeah.

How I mean it's just like a whole universe

happening that like right next to us and it's

just crazy to think about.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, when we're, when

we're talking about, you know, intuitive energy

reading, you know, not non local awareness, all

of these things, you know, the quantum realm

really does, at least in part, it's my belief

provider, the basis for those experiences. Right.

Like I, I, I, you know, it's funny, I hesitate to

talk too much about it because again, like we

live in a, in a very complex time in human

history and I think that, that women in

particular, but also men who have practiced

indigenous ways of knowing and, and this kind of

deeper unified field which we are all a part of,

right. We're a node in the larger infinite field

of energy and information. And, and if we accept

that consciousness is the floor or the, the

ground of existence, if you will, which expresses

itself through biological adaptations and

geological processes and all of these things,

well then at least hypothetically it is possible

to know things in ways that are not limited by

our present time space continuum. Right. That

there is a way in which we can access that deeper

intelligence, that deeper knowing. And that

example you shared of your friend or whomever,

you know, having an intuitive do an energy

reading and whoa, lo and behold, like they

actually said there is a closet over there that

like is pinging my sensors, right. That, that,

that it's becoming, it's becoming more and more

difficult to dismiss those because of the

preponderance of evidence that those things are.

Well, yeah, there's like this thing here that

I'm, that I'm running right now. Like yeah, of

course there would, you would notice that. Like

so, and, and you know, remote healings, distance

healings, telepathic communication between hearts

and souls. These, these are all things that, that

would get you burned at the stake for heresy at

many times throughout human history. And so I

think, you know, Rightfully so many women,

especially those of us, you know, out here doing

the good work. Right. Like, are hesitant to. To

speak about in greater depth or. Or outside of

circles that feel really, really safe to do so.

Right. Because it does at times border on the

miraculous, but it's also becoming more. More

cultural, culturally accepted. Right. Like the

Autism Files or the. Did you hear. Did you watch

that podcast or.

Oh, the Telepathy tapes.

Thank you. Yes, the Telepathy tapes. You know,

they're primarily interviewing people on the, on

the spectrum. And, and so, you know, that's like,

again, as we're, as we're moving forward as a

collective, as a species, I do think this moment

in time calls for, you know, sort of an

acknowledgement and a recognition of ancient

truths to be re remembered by those of us who are

here now, and that we should be courageous in

communicating about those experiences. Within

reason.

Yes. Because I'm glad you brought the Telepathy

tapes up because, I mean, it was a profoundly

beautiful piece of art that she made with that

podcast. But what really landed for me was how

popular it was. I think for a couple of weeks it

was the number one podcast in the United States,

if not more places, which is like tens of

millions of downloads.

Well, so.

And I. What you're saying is like, we're. Yeah,

it be. It was above Joe Rogan for a while there.

So it's like we're so timid to.

Say it, but everybody wants to hear it. Yeah,

yeah, but. Because even Joe Rogan, like, I mean,

you know, who's. He's the number one. Right.

Like, he talks about that stuff.

Yeah. And then he had her on his podcast, the.

The producer, which I thought was lovely.

Yeah.

Yes. And those are the moments because, yeah, I

do. I do think there is that current of fear. I

do, you know, and I see it. You know, I had a

lovely scientist on here who. He's like an

astrophysicist who got really involved in his

retirement, looking at infrared light and how it

impacts.

Our bodies.

And how it goes through our bodies. And it's like

such cool. He's doing such cool research, like,

just at home because he's retired. And at the

end, I was like, just very gently, like, oh, has

this research sort of changed your view of the

world or the universe? And he was like, oh, I

don't know what you're talking about. Of course

not. This is science. I was like, okay, okay,

okay. So, yeah, so it's sort of like, I do think

for men, especially in a certain field, there

they are also very protective of their

reputations and don't want to be associated with

the woo woo stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

But then, yeah, I've been finding more and more

it's like when you, you, you put it out there and

it lands like with people where I never would

have expected it to land.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm going to say one more thing

about, about this paradigm because, and, and

specifically as, as it interacts with gendered

norms, personality types and psychopathology,

right? Because, just because we now have the

language to back up intuitive understanding,

alternate modes of knowing with science, right?

As science is described in a very narrow frame of

understanding, again. Right. That doesn't mean

that those things were not true or throughout

human history. It just means that we now have the

language to validate it. Right. But men, I'm

gonna say it, men have been systematically

invalidating these experiences which are

traditionally conceived of and, and known more by

women, right. That, that they have systematically

undercut and invalidated, invalidated those modes

of knowing. And that still happens today. Right.

Just because someone is a notable figure in a

particular scientific discipline does not mean

that they're also not enacting profoundly

narcissistic, ego driven, selfish, you know, self

protective defense mechanisms, right. As a way

to, to, to, you know, compensate for adversity

they perhaps experienced in childhood. And that

those, those patterns of harm that exist in the

interpersonal worlds, right? The relationships

that, that evolve between peoples, right. Like

none of this quantum biology stuff changes that.

Right. The harm that's perpetuated the, the

pathology that's enacted right over millennia is

still operating in the present. Just because

somebody studies this area doesn't make them

capable of, of empathy. And that's a harsh

reality that we have to face, you know,

especially as women in our world.

Yes. And I, I appreciate you articulating that

because that is, does happen and is happening.

And it's really disconcerting for those of us who

see it from the perspective that we're talking

about because you have people using the same

language and it's like, you know, I was talking

to someone and she's like, how can so and so and

so and so be talking about the quantum field, be

talking about biophysics and quantum, quantum

biology and not understand that they're part of

their behavior is affecting their words, the way

they treat people.

Yep.

And it doesn't, it's like exactly what you just

described is happening.

Right. And that's been happening for millennia.

Right. People usurping spiritual language and now

they're usurping the, the, the language du jour,

right, which is this unified field and, and love

and light and all of that stuff there. It's a,

it's a form of, you know, misappropriation of

spiritual teachings for, for their own self

interest and to assert dominance and power and

control in interpersonal relationships. Right. So

that, that is, is still, I would argue, like a

much more critical imperative for us to address

collectively. And again, it's all, it's all

happening simultaneously. But you know, people,

people are people and we all have these

incredibly self destructive and malicious and,

and base kind of instincts within us. And

ultimately where, where, where it lands for me is

falling back on kind of traditional Buddhist

principles of, of, you know, not doing harm.

Right? How, how do I take these teachings and

apply them in my own life and in such a way that

I am not contributing to greater harm? And when I

am confronted by adversity or, you know, whatever

the case may be, okay, am I a courageous and

competent adult who is capable of showing up in

ways that is respectful, that is reciprocal, and

that is grounded in the creation of a shared

understanding of reality? Because as we move away

from having a rigid, you know, finite, concrete

understanding of reality towards a more

pluralistic or, you know, multiple realities can

coexist, then it becomes about our ability to

navigate that, to negotiate that, to have the

dialogue, that. That creates a foundation for a

shared consensus. Right. That's, you know,

that's, I think, why we're in such a mess

geopolitically and culturally right now. Why so

strong men are taking power across the globe?

Because people are like, what is this? They don't

know what to do with all of this. The polarity,

the splitting, the perceptual fragments that are

manifesting on the larger scale. So I'm not sure

that I did justice to that talking point, but I

think it's an important one to continue to

explore as we, as we grow together, you know?

Yeah, absolutely. And I love that you brought it

up. And you know, for me it's like remembering it

starts with it within me. 100 and I can talk

about quantum entanglement. It's like, what am I

contributing to that field? And if we all, you

know, we all started there. Yeah. Caitlin, this

has been so delightful. Please let us know where

people can find you.

Sure, yeah.

Continue there.

Yeah, yeah.

Their journey.

Check it out. So you can find me on Instagram

@Doctor Caitlin Layman or Facebook or, you know,

anywhere, anywhere you find your people. And you

can check out quantumclinic.com and I'll send you

a link to my online course that maybe you can

include in the show notes.

Sure, I would love to. So, yeah, that's Dr.

Caitlin and it's Caitlin. K A T E L Y N Lehman L

E H M A N this was delightful. And we will have

to do it again sometime.

Wonderful. Thanks so much, Meredith.