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today I'm going to talk about chronic gut symptoms if you're asking

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yourself, why am I still bloated?

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Or why do I still have heartburn?

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This is the episode for you.

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If you have chronic gut symptoms, these long term symptoms of bloating, heartburn,

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reflux, pain in your gut, whatever it is, but something that's been with

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you for a long time and you feel like you've thrown everything at it, right?

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You've done the gut work, the supplements, the probiotics, the gut function tests

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and changed your diet and everything still feels like it's at the same point.

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Then in this episode, I really want to share with you what are the things

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that I've noticed about this in my own personal journey and that of my

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clients and over the last 20 years about what can make a significant

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difference to these symptoms for you.

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So many years ago when I went through my burnout journey,

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I had severe gut bloating.

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I always looked like I was about six months pregnant.

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I had a lot of food intolerances.

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I remember going to another practitioner to get a food intolerance test and she

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was like, I've never seen anyone with this many food intolerances, right?

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And I knew it because whatever I ate, created discomfort and

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there was a very limited amount of food that I could eat and enjoy.

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And actually on my food intolerance test, what came back was the

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only thing that I wasn't allergic to or intolerant to was meat.

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So chicken, meat, fish, everything else was giving me a reaction.

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And I wasn't surprised because I knew I had such bad gut symptoms that my

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gut was going to react to everything.

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Right.

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But.

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Maybe like you, I went through and I did all the gut work, I took all the

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supplements, the probiotics, the enzymes, the hydrochloric acid to help with protein

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breakdown, and did all this gut repair work, but it wasn't making any difference,

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and I was stuck in this place for five years and had these chronic symptoms that

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got so much of my attention, caused so much frustration for me because I felt

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so uncomfortable, I felt like I couldn't fit into my clothes, and by the end of

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the day, everything was distended, right?

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And again, I was stuck in this cycle for five years.

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Now, the shift for me came when, I had stress that passed, right?

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So I was in a relationship that I was unhappy with, and when that relationship

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ended, I found myself, I went to my mum's and I stayed with my mum for a while

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and I was eating foods that I hadn't been able to eat in like five years like

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pasta, bread, rice, all these foods that I hadn't been able to touch in years and

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they weren't giving me any discomfort.

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So this completely blew my mind.

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I couldn't understand what was happening here and how that change

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went from one week to the next.

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Now I'm not saying leave your relationship or your job or anything like that, but I

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came to realize that the stress and the

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cortisol that my body was producing

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was preventing my gut from healing even though I took all the right supplements

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and did all the right things for my gut, it was preventing my gut from healing.

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So in this episode, I really want to share with you what moves the needle, what

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really makes a difference, particularly if you have chronic gut symptoms.

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Okay.

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I have clients that when they come to me, they have anxiety

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about their gut symptoms, right?

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They are so concerned by them one because they're persistent and other

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because they feel like it could be something more sinister going on

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there that hasn't been detected yet.

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So it creates a lot of anxiety and a lot more tension for them.

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So number one, what I recommend, what I've seen, you've got

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to do the gut work, right?

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That's one thing.

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Like I had done the gut work for five years and then when my stress

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reduced, it was so accelerated and that's why I had that effect, right?

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So doing the gut work, I talked about this in episode eight.

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I really talked about.

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You know, creating the right pH inside the gut, removing any unwanted bacteria,

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repopulating the good bacteria, repairing the gut lining, and all of that.

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So all of that process needs to happen in order to create a really

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healthy environment inside the gut.

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The next thing is reducing cortisol.

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So this is anything that raises your cortisol other than your job

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relationship or your finances, okay?

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Just don't try to work on those.

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What you want to do is reduce anything that stimulates

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your cortisol in other areas.

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Your diet, your sleep, your caffeine, your missing meals, your sugar.

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Going to bed after 10 p.

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m., having too many carbs, not having enough protein.

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All of these things would trigger too much cortisol.

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And what we do in my program, in my work, is that we, we use all of these hacks,

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to change the biochemistry in the body, to reduce the cortisol, to switch the

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body out of that fight or flight mode.

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And therefore, You can enter the healing state and things happen

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more quickly than more accelerated.

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And so instead of trying to overhaul your life, what you want to do is

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implement these dietary and lifestyle hacks in order to kind of trick your

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body into reducing cortisol levels and that way your body can start to heal.

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The other big factor in reducing cortisol is mental stress I've talked about this

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a few times in these podcast episodes.

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The mental stress is the stuff that we carry around all day long, the

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worry, catastrophes that we make in our mind, all of this stuff.

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Drips up our fight or flight response, and it has this slow drip, drip,

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drip of cortisol all day long.

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So we need to look at that area as well, without having to overhaul our

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life, but reducing our mental stress.

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Our gut is connected to our brain by the gut brain axis.

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So it's not a surprise that I see people who have gut

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symptoms like I did at the time.

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And it created a lot of thinking for me, right?

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It created a lot of anxiety.

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But it kind of becomes like a catch 22.

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So what I see in the third thing, which is probably the really big thing

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to focus on, or to have awareness of, is this hyper vigilant thinking.

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So I see people with chronic gut symptoms.

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always assessing where they're at.

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Is it a good day?

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Is it a bad day?

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They're measuring, is it better?

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Is it worse?

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They're thinking about it.

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What should I try next?

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Why isn't it working?

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I've tried that already.

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Why aren't I getting better?

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They're Googling symptoms.

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There's this constant conversation in the head, There's this,

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you know, hypervigilant thinking about their symptoms.

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So I will see this In clients when, one day they'll be so worried about their

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symptoms, and then they'll be quiet for two days, and then it sparks up again.

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So, you know, when I talk about hypervigilant thinking, yes, we

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can get some thinking about it, but it's the thinking that creates

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the tension, the anxiety, where, It starts to overtake our mind.

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Like we can't get it off our mind and we think about it

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every day or every second day.

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Right.

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And so it's always coming back up and it's the same thinking.

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Why isn't it working?

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Why aren't I getting better?

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What should I try next?

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I've tried that.

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Why isn't that working?

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It's the same kind of thinking all the time.

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Now, the reason why this is so key to improving chronic gut symptoms

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is because, because of that gut brain connection, okay, we know

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that through the vagus nerve.

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But the other part is, is that when we get that hypervigilant thinking, we get like

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that because we don't want the symptoms.

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We want them to pass.

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We want them gone.

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And so there's a unacceptance of the symptoms, right?

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And it's a resistance to the symptoms and that resistance creates tension and

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that tension is like war in our body.

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We go to war with our bodies like that, right?

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And we're just keeping ourselves in a perpetual state of stress.

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So the very thing that's keeping those symptoms there, which is being

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stressed out of the healing mode and into the fight or flight mode, the very

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thing that's keeping those symptoms there is Also the thing that you're

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triggering throughout the day when you're thinking about your gut symptoms a lot.

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So this is a very tricky one because sometimes people don't notice it.

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So sometimes when I speak to a client, they'll be like, Oh yeah, I do that.

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I a hundred percent do that.

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And sometimes for people, it's so normal to have that script, that

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story running in their head all day long, but they don't really notice it.

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Okay.

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And so sometimes it takes a conversation to see that.

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But I can tell you that when you've had chronic gut symptoms, That

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conversation is there, that constant assessment and that hyper vigilance

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is there because the chronic stress is keeping it there, that tension, that

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unacceptance of where you're at, right?

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So I'll often say to clients, why can't you accept the bloating for now, right?

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What's stopping you from accepting that?

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acceptance is not giving up.

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Acceptance is being at peace.

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with where you're at.

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And sometimes our body creates symptoms because it wants to get our attention

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to navigate us in a different direction.

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But if we're in resistance mode, we can't hear any of that, right?

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And the symptoms persist and persist and persist, right?

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I want to give you an example because I often talk about this

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because this is a really good one.

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like I noticed that when I travel, when I go on holidays and it's summertime

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and if I go somewhere tropical or if I go to Europe in the summer.

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Europe in the summer these days is very hot.

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And, uh, the last time we went away, we went to Thailand and we went to Europe.

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And both times it was so hot.

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And I have this thing where when I'm hot, I feel the heat a lot.

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And ever since I was a kid.

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And, uh, so when it's hot and I start to feel hot, I'm like, Oh my goodness,

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it's so hot, it's so hot, it's so hot.

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And of course, it's My temperature rises every time I'm thinking it and saying

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it and I'm often saying it, right?

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Where the people around me are like, stop you're making me hot, right?

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And so that is hypervigilance.

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I can't get my mind of it because I'm so hot.

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It's unbearable for me.

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Yet, the constant thinking and focusing on it is driving up my temperature even more

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because I'm in a state of stress, right?

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It's a mini state of stress, but in a state of stress, it's driving

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up my temperature even more.

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It's making me hotter.

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So I'm sweating.

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I'm sweating.

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Right?

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And then I'm like, why am I sweating so much?

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I don't want to be sweating this much.

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Okay.

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Driving more thinking, raising my temperature even more.

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So that's a really, really good example of how quickly we can create our symptoms.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I was hot without the anxiety, without the hypervigilance.

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I handle that heat much better.

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I've caught myself in a few moments, it hasn't been many.

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That is something that I still battle with, but I have caught myself in moments

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where I don't have thinking around it.

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And I just feel hot and I'm okay.

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But it's most often that I will have hyper vigilant thinking.

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I don't want to feel hot.

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I don't want to start sweating.

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And so I'm resisting it, and of course, all of those scenarios happen.

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And my recommendation is, you know, obviously do the gut work, do the

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things to reduce cortisol and be aware of your hypervigilant thinking and

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come to a place where you can coexist.

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with those symptoms until your body's in a place where it can resolve it.

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Okay.

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If you do the groundwork, like the gut work and the reducing the cortisol,

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that's the foundational stuff.

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But so is reducing that hypervigilant thinking come to a place of acceptance

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and your body will take care of the rest.