1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,464 Welcome to Heaven Earth Church. 2 00:00:07,512 --> 00:00:09,416 My name is Ross Stackhouse. 3 00:00:09,448 --> 00:00:12,680 I'm the founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church. 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,632 From the beginning, our heart was to be a church for people who 5 00:00:16,656 --> 00:00:18,696 don't fit neatly into church. 6 00:00:18,888 --> 00:00:22,712 Our heart is to meet people where they are, to learn their stories, 7 00:00:22,856 --> 00:00:24,072 to honor their stories. 8 00:00:24,136 --> 00:00:27,568 Because in every human story is God's story. 9 00:00:27,744 --> 00:00:31,120 In this podcast, you'll hear more about the people who now call 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,768 Heaven Earth Church home. 11 00:00:32,824 --> 00:00:36,800 Their stories, in many cases of misfits who are discovering or 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,096 rediscovering faith. 13 00:00:38,208 --> 00:00:41,808 If you want to know more about us, you can go to heavenorthchurch.org 14 00:00:41,984 --> 00:00:45,340 Otherwise, we invite you now into the story. 15 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:48,448 Hello good people. 16 00:00:48,504 --> 00:00:53,402 Brad Miller here, the producer of the Heaven Earth Church podcast. 17 00:00:53,576 --> 00:00:57,142 One of the main benefits of being a part of the Heaven Earth 18 00:00:57,206 --> 00:01:03,254 Church community is our Sunday morning conversations taught by founding 19 00:01:03,302 --> 00:01:05,850 pastor Ross Stackhouse. 20 00:01:06,430 --> 00:01:11,450 You can watch and participate in the Sunday morning conversation 21 00:01:11,790 --> 00:01:19,336 this Sunday morning, 9:30am Eastern Time at YouTube.com Heaven 22 00:01:19,368 --> 00:01:20,540 Earth Church. 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,136 The audio version of the Sunday morning conversation is available 24 00:01:26,208 --> 00:01:31,128 here on the podcast, which you can find at Apple Podcasts, Spotify 25 00:01:31,304 --> 00:01:39,000 and on the website, which is heavenearthchurch.org now here is 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,992 part three of the Dead Man Walking series why we've missed the 27 00:01:44,016 --> 00:01:51,150 mark on the Word Sin and grace taught by Pastor Ross Stackhouse. 28 00:01:53,730 --> 00:01:59,242 Hey, what's something that you're grateful for today that you 29 00:01:59,266 --> 00:02:02,106 sense that only God could be behind? 30 00:02:02,178 --> 00:02:05,590 You're not sure, but you think. 31 00:02:07,570 --> 00:02:10,762 You think so you're wondering God might be behind it. 32 00:02:10,866 --> 00:02:12,230 What are you grateful for? 33 00:02:14,610 --> 00:02:17,994 I'm not going to say that I'm grateful for Purdue winning. 34 00:02:18,122 --> 00:02:19,590 I'm not going to say that. 35 00:02:21,570 --> 00:02:22,122 Awesome. 36 00:02:22,186 --> 00:02:23,594 Get a sleep in your own bed. 37 00:02:23,642 --> 00:02:26,282 After being away for so long, it's definitely good to be in your 38 00:02:26,306 --> 00:02:27,070 own bed. 39 00:02:27,730 --> 00:02:32,714 See, I saw Bobo yesterday at the Spring Into Recovery fundraiser 40 00:02:32,762 --> 00:02:35,162 for our Recovery Cafe in Johnson county. 41 00:02:35,266 --> 00:02:41,940 And it was just so good to see so many friends who are working in 42 00:02:41,980 --> 00:02:47,320 various areas of recovery, different companies and organizations. 43 00:02:48,780 --> 00:02:54,132 And I saw somebody there that you know is a friend of ours from 44 00:02:54,156 --> 00:02:56,788 our meeting who struggled on and off for a long time. 45 00:02:56,844 --> 00:03:03,232 And she looks so sober, like not just not on something but like 46 00:03:03,256 --> 00:03:04,240 her mind looked clear. 47 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:05,900 And I was so grateful for that. 48 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,168 But also I want to tell you something that I'm grateful for that 49 00:03:11,224 --> 00:03:13,664 you make possible and you may not realize it. 50 00:03:13,832 --> 00:03:17,024 So Alicia Bledsoe is one of our leaders for Recovery Church. 51 00:03:17,072 --> 00:03:19,660 I think you know that Alicia was baptized recently. 52 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,504 Well, there was a peer recovery coach training that became 53 00:03:23,552 --> 00:03:24,860 available in our community. 54 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,980 That was Monday through Friday 9 to 5. 55 00:03:29,070 --> 00:03:31,910 And so I was like, do you want to do it? 56 00:03:31,950 --> 00:03:35,558 And she was like, well I would, but like I'll have to miss 57 00:03:35,614 --> 00:03:36,210 work. 58 00:03:36,990 --> 00:03:43,782 So we gave her a scholarship and a stipend as a church so she 59 00:03:43,806 --> 00:03:48,918 could go do our board approved to do that so that she could go do 60 00:03:48,974 --> 00:03:49,570 that. 61 00:03:53,230 --> 00:03:57,650 Because we want to raise people up and, and so like when you 62 00:03:57,690 --> 00:03:58,270 give. 63 00:03:58,650 --> 00:03:59,170 Yes. 64 00:03:59,250 --> 00:04:03,138 They're not so glamorous things that you're giving pays for 65 00:04:03,274 --> 00:04:05,010 like my income. 66 00:04:05,170 --> 00:04:08,750 I mean, I hope that you're happy to have me here blabbing today. 67 00:04:09,690 --> 00:04:10,550 Yeah. 68 00:04:11,930 --> 00:04:15,298 But way more exciting. 69 00:04:15,394 --> 00:04:15,906 Thank you. 70 00:04:15,978 --> 00:04:17,426 Was that Evan Fruits? 71 00:04:17,618 --> 00:04:18,402 Oh, Dave. 72 00:04:18,466 --> 00:04:19,190 Okay. 73 00:04:23,099 --> 00:04:28,051 But like think about what we get to do together and when, when 74 00:04:28,155 --> 00:04:31,347 you know, giving is a spiritual practice but it also allows 75 00:04:31,363 --> 00:04:32,291 us to do the mission. 76 00:04:32,355 --> 00:04:33,747 So I'm grateful for that. 77 00:04:33,883 --> 00:04:34,579 What about you? 78 00:04:34,619 --> 00:04:36,239 What are you grateful for today? 79 00:04:36,939 --> 00:04:42,339 It's good to be guided and led by God in all situations and to see 80 00:04:42,379 --> 00:04:43,907 how the horizons expand. 81 00:04:44,003 --> 00:04:44,707 Yeah. 82 00:04:44,883 --> 00:04:45,523 What else? 83 00:04:45,571 --> 00:04:46,227 What about you? 84 00:04:46,283 --> 00:04:47,919 What are you grateful for today? 85 00:04:49,010 --> 00:04:49,914 Online folks. 86 00:04:49,962 --> 00:04:51,690 I know, I've heard you can hear me. 87 00:04:51,730 --> 00:04:53,030 So let's hear from you. 88 00:04:55,810 --> 00:04:58,442 Dave's grateful for his relationship with his son. 89 00:04:58,506 --> 00:05:00,570 We love Connor, man. 90 00:05:00,690 --> 00:05:01,870 Love that guy. 91 00:05:02,210 --> 00:05:03,338 Grateful for that too. 92 00:05:03,394 --> 00:05:04,186 Dave. 93 00:05:04,378 --> 00:05:05,150 Jim. 94 00:05:07,570 --> 00:05:08,026 Great. 95 00:05:08,098 --> 00:05:10,346 Grateful for family and for reconciliation. 96 00:05:10,458 --> 00:05:11,230 Yeah. 97 00:05:11,970 --> 00:05:12,830 Yeah. 98 00:05:13,340 --> 00:05:17,108 Melissa's thankful for communities where there's that vulnerability 99 00:05:17,204 --> 00:05:20,292 based trust where you can just allow yourself to be seen even though 100 00:05:20,316 --> 00:05:21,124 things aren't okay. 101 00:05:21,172 --> 00:05:22,548 You don't have to pretend. 102 00:05:22,724 --> 00:05:25,560 It's nice to be in places where you don't have to pretend. 103 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:27,160 Yeah. 104 00:05:29,820 --> 00:05:30,436 Go ahead. 105 00:05:30,508 --> 00:05:31,668 You only get one. 106 00:05:31,804 --> 00:05:32,596 Yeah. 107 00:05:32,788 --> 00:05:33,876 That's how prayer works. 108 00:05:33,908 --> 00:05:35,200 You get one thing. 109 00:05:37,660 --> 00:05:38,420 Yeah. 110 00:05:38,580 --> 00:05:44,840 Bobo has some shelter, guides kids, teaches kids in juvenile detention. 111 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,780 They have a program called thrive. 112 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,180 It's a 12 step program just for teens. 113 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,320 And she has some kids that their, their faith is fueling their 114 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,304 recovery and participation in that. 115 00:05:57,392 --> 00:06:02,616 So Bobo's yet another person who went on to get her peer recovery 116 00:06:02,648 --> 00:06:05,000 certification and is giving back to the community. 117 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,150 So it's just super awesome. 118 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:08,590 Charles. 119 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:10,330 Yep. 120 00:06:10,490 --> 00:06:11,066 Yep. 121 00:06:11,178 --> 00:06:12,426 I love that too. 122 00:06:12,578 --> 00:06:16,730 Like when you just, you invest in relationships, it's kind of like 123 00:06:16,770 --> 00:06:20,586 our scent essential when you just, you're intentional about relationships. 124 00:06:20,618 --> 00:06:24,282 It's funny how they can bless you years later, come back to you 125 00:06:24,306 --> 00:06:28,570 in a way that you didn't expect if you just stay with it or 126 00:06:28,690 --> 00:06:30,922 you're just mindful of what's going on. 127 00:06:31,106 --> 00:06:34,600 So I'm going to shout out to Maggie, who's listening online right 128 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:35,032 now. 129 00:06:35,136 --> 00:06:40,580 I met Maggie at Johnson's probably five or six years ago. 130 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:42,936 Johnson's barbecue. 131 00:06:42,968 --> 00:06:46,460 We used to do stuff there, and we just stayed in touch. 132 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:52,328 And then she just reached out and is experiencing an awakening 133 00:06:52,504 --> 00:06:54,232 and wanted to meet this past week. 134 00:06:54,256 --> 00:06:55,740 So we met for coffee. 135 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,580 So I'm thankful for that, too. 136 00:06:59,450 --> 00:07:00,322 Well, hey, I. 137 00:07:00,426 --> 00:07:01,870 Oh, Angie, go ahead. 138 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:05,474 Yeah. 139 00:07:05,522 --> 00:07:09,058 Angie's just thankful for how God is at work in her life. 140 00:07:09,114 --> 00:07:14,002 She's not surprised in some ways, but in others, she is surprised, 141 00:07:14,066 --> 00:07:16,722 especially how God is at work in this church and the people of 142 00:07:16,746 --> 00:07:20,870 this church, and how that makes her want to drive 45 minutes. 143 00:07:21,850 --> 00:07:23,106 God love you, Angie. 144 00:07:23,138 --> 00:07:28,138 She had to drive to our board meeting during rush hour on last 145 00:07:28,194 --> 00:07:28,698 week. 146 00:07:28,834 --> 00:07:30,730 So, hey, let's pray. 147 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:39,030 And then we have so little to do and so much time to do it in. 148 00:07:39,570 --> 00:07:40,330 Strike it. 149 00:07:40,370 --> 00:07:40,842 Reverse that. 150 00:07:40,866 --> 00:07:41,546 Willy Wonka. 151 00:07:41,578 --> 00:07:42,350 Anybody? 152 00:07:45,970 --> 00:07:52,916 Lord, I just ask that you would illuminate our minds, soften 153 00:07:52,948 --> 00:07:59,360 our hearts, help us to receive this glory that you want us to share, 154 00:08:01,180 --> 00:08:04,740 that you want to give us, and that you want to help us to give 155 00:08:04,780 --> 00:08:05,520 to others. 156 00:08:10,940 --> 00:08:13,252 Awaken us, O Lord, in Jesus name. 157 00:08:13,356 --> 00:08:14,200 Amen. 158 00:08:16,060 --> 00:08:19,124 A bit of a weird question that you might want to admit in church, 159 00:08:19,172 --> 00:08:19,428 but. 160 00:08:19,484 --> 00:08:20,240 Stop it. 161 00:08:20,380 --> 00:08:21,016 Just. 162 00:08:21,168 --> 00:08:22,380 Just be honest. 163 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,180 What's your favorite revenge movie? 164 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:26,872 Ross? 165 00:08:26,936 --> 00:08:27,864 I don't like Revenge. 166 00:08:27,912 --> 00:08:28,616 I don't. 167 00:08:28,728 --> 00:08:31,000 I refuse to like such a movie. 168 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,200 Kirsten doesn't care. 169 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,544 She's like, I'll go first. 170 00:08:33,712 --> 00:08:34,540 Yeah. 171 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:35,928 Kill Bill. 172 00:08:35,984 --> 00:08:39,620 That's a lot of revenge going on in that one. 173 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,008 See, now we're being honest. 174 00:08:44,104 --> 00:08:44,424 That's. 175 00:08:44,472 --> 00:08:45,176 I like that. 176 00:08:45,248 --> 00:08:46,100 Thank you. 177 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,712 I like it in church. 178 00:08:48,776 --> 00:08:49,560 Sorry, really quick. 179 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,728 Like, when you talk about something you've watched and someone 180 00:08:52,784 --> 00:08:54,792 like, I don't know if you've been in a church where you did that, 181 00:08:54,816 --> 00:08:57,976 and then someone's like, can I admit in church that I've also watched 182 00:08:58,008 --> 00:08:58,580 that? 183 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Oh, you've seen that? 184 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:01,576 Oh, yeah. 185 00:09:01,608 --> 00:09:02,180 No. 186 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,300 Anyways, go ahead, Julie. 187 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,184 Double Jeopardy. 188 00:09:06,232 --> 00:09:06,808 Okay. 189 00:09:06,904 --> 00:09:09,784 Is that Ashley Judd? 190 00:09:09,832 --> 00:09:10,216 Yeah. 191 00:09:10,248 --> 00:09:10,968 Okay. 192 00:09:11,144 --> 00:09:11,900 Yeah. 193 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:14,880 Oh, Taken. 194 00:09:15,260 --> 00:09:15,812 Come on. 195 00:09:15,836 --> 00:09:18,372 That's like the quintessential, like, revenge movie. 196 00:09:18,436 --> 00:09:20,560 Like, come on. 197 00:09:23,180 --> 00:09:24,164 Ocean's Eleven. 198 00:09:24,252 --> 00:09:24,692 Okay. 199 00:09:24,756 --> 00:09:25,316 That's a. 200 00:09:25,388 --> 00:09:26,036 That's a different. 201 00:09:26,108 --> 00:09:28,276 I wouldn't have thought of that as revenge, but it is. 202 00:09:28,348 --> 00:09:29,000 Yeah. 203 00:09:30,220 --> 00:09:31,188 Yeah, that was. 204 00:09:31,244 --> 00:09:32,356 That's true. 205 00:09:32,548 --> 00:09:32,996 Great. 206 00:09:33,068 --> 00:09:38,718 Charles Charles loves revenge. 207 00:09:38,814 --> 00:09:39,438 So go ahead. 208 00:09:39,494 --> 00:09:42,170 Charles Charles is a pastor, too. 209 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:49,646 Okay. 210 00:09:49,678 --> 00:09:51,230 The Italian Job or Italian Job. 211 00:09:51,270 --> 00:09:51,890 Yeah. 212 00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:54,542 Yes. 213 00:09:54,686 --> 00:09:55,886 Shawshank Redemption. 214 00:09:55,918 --> 00:09:58,330 That's a special kind of revenge right there. 215 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,660 Oh, that's so good. 216 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,168 Skyfall, Adele. 217 00:10:12,264 --> 00:10:13,352 Sing that live. 218 00:10:13,456 --> 00:10:14,008 Very good. 219 00:10:14,064 --> 00:10:16,940 Anyways, what else, Evan? 220 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,792 The Lion King. 221 00:10:18,936 --> 00:10:19,400 Yeah. 222 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:19,848 Oh, yeah. 223 00:10:19,864 --> 00:10:20,760 A little comeback. 224 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:21,432 Yes. 225 00:10:21,576 --> 00:10:22,380 Yep. 226 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:24,952 What else? 227 00:10:25,096 --> 00:10:25,752 I like it. 228 00:10:25,776 --> 00:10:28,120 You People are admitting that you like revenge. 229 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,502 I enjoy that, Ross. 230 00:10:30,566 --> 00:10:32,390 I don't watch movies with revenge. 231 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:34,890 I want restoration, not revenge. 232 00:10:38,910 --> 00:10:39,766 Right on. 233 00:10:39,918 --> 00:10:41,238 I like all those. 234 00:10:41,374 --> 00:10:42,330 Angie. 235 00:10:43,870 --> 00:10:46,330 Ooh, Tower Heist. 236 00:10:49,550 --> 00:10:52,022 I haven't seen it, so I'll just have to trust you, Angie, that 237 00:10:52,046 --> 00:10:53,350 it's a good revenge movie. 238 00:10:53,430 --> 00:10:56,100 Yeah, yeah. 239 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,328 Collateral Damage. 240 00:10:59,424 --> 00:11:00,160 Who's in that? 241 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:00,820 Bobo? 242 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,192 Oh, yes, yes. 243 00:11:10,256 --> 00:11:10,720 Never mind. 244 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,060 That rings a bell now. 245 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,208 Well, we better get going because, shoot, it's 10 11, and we've 246 00:11:18,224 --> 00:11:22,090 got to talk about sin today as a part of our show. 247 00:11:22,130 --> 00:11:22,762 Are you excited? 248 00:11:22,826 --> 00:11:25,830 Aren't you excited you came to talk to talk about that? 249 00:11:26,370 --> 00:11:33,098 The reason I want to start off with that is I think that, look, 250 00:11:33,154 --> 00:11:37,630 I love a good revenge movie where a hero is pushed to the brink, 251 00:11:37,970 --> 00:11:43,430 comes back and doesn't like, doesn't just get even, but, you know, 252 00:11:44,210 --> 00:11:49,152 really does something to expose or bring it to the enemy or 253 00:11:49,176 --> 00:11:49,860 whatever. 254 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,544 But I also realize that we kind of as a culture, especially 255 00:11:54,632 --> 00:11:58,660 now, it occurs to me that we're pretty hell bent on revenge. 256 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,984 I think that we're hell bent on letting our egos take the wheel 257 00:12:08,032 --> 00:12:08,900 and steer. 258 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,220 I think as human beings, we get stuck on carrying around our. 259 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,300 Our sense of, like, resentment. 260 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,280 We love to hang on to our resentments and our war stories about 261 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,020 the people who have wronged us. 262 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:33,300 Our resentments, our desire for retribution and revenge. 263 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,460 I think that's in all of us. 264 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,616 And the reason I bring that up today is because I think that matters 265 00:12:43,728 --> 00:12:47,020 for if we're going to understand. 266 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,312 We're in this series called Dead man why Jesus died and why it 267 00:12:51,336 --> 00:12:53,260 still matters for ordinary people. 268 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,400 And some of the questions we've gotten is about, like, this 269 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,300 whole series is like, okay, so Jesus name means he saves. 270 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,168 Like, but why? 271 00:13:07,304 --> 00:13:08,620 How does that work? 272 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,960 In what sense does Jesus save us? 273 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:11,980 And why. 274 00:13:12,450 --> 00:13:13,610 Why does he die? 275 00:13:13,690 --> 00:13:18,950 Why is his death like, a key event in the thing that saves us? 276 00:13:19,970 --> 00:13:22,634 And I think if we're going to understand some of the answers to 277 00:13:22,642 --> 00:13:25,514 that and what we're going to talk about today, I think we got 278 00:13:25,522 --> 00:13:28,790 to bring into focus kind of our. 279 00:13:31,090 --> 00:13:36,430 Kind of how we hang on to resentment, retribution, revenge, 280 00:13:37,330 --> 00:13:41,182 how our world is kind of patterned in that, and it's hard 281 00:13:41,206 --> 00:13:42,622 to even feel it and see it. 282 00:13:42,646 --> 00:13:45,662 But if you look at our politics right now, of course, which 283 00:13:45,686 --> 00:13:50,110 I know maybe you want to break from today, how much is that just 284 00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:53,010 a part of our political and social fabric? 285 00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:59,854 I think the main question that some people are asking in politics 286 00:13:59,902 --> 00:14:02,990 and society right now, the main question a lot of folks are 287 00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:05,770 concerned with is how do we get even? 288 00:14:08,750 --> 00:14:14,086 Rather than what I think is God's main concern, which is, I'll 289 00:14:14,118 --> 00:14:15,330 show you right here. 290 00:14:16,430 --> 00:14:23,862 I explored the, I was exploring, I've been exploring the 291 00:14:23,886 --> 00:14:27,270 gospels in the New Testament, like in depth, for this theme of 292 00:14:27,310 --> 00:14:28,170 salvation. 293 00:14:28,990 --> 00:14:30,010 In depth. 294 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,760 And I realized that overall, like, if you're going to understand 295 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,500 salvation, you have to understand that God's main concern 296 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:46,060 is making things right, is making all things new. 297 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,720 So Revelation 21, I've told you, says, behold, I am making all 298 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:53,740 things new. 299 00:14:57,470 --> 00:15:02,490 God's main concern is not getting even or getting revenge. 300 00:15:03,790 --> 00:15:08,742 God's main concern is not just taking some people out of the wreckage 301 00:15:08,806 --> 00:15:12,690 that has become creation and getting them out of it. 302 00:15:13,950 --> 00:15:18,290 God's main concern is the whole thing. 303 00:15:19,070 --> 00:15:23,672 It's making all things right and making all things new. 304 00:15:23,846 --> 00:15:28,116 So in our political and social fabric, sometimes we're thinking 305 00:15:28,148 --> 00:15:29,380 we don't even notice it. 306 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:31,380 How do I make my team win? 307 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:33,572 How do I prove that my team is right? 308 00:15:33,676 --> 00:15:35,120 How do we get even? 309 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:41,120 God's question is, what actually does justice in the end? 310 00:15:43,660 --> 00:15:47,600 What actually makes the wrong things right? 311 00:15:49,190 --> 00:15:51,970 And that's what I don't see in our politicians. 312 00:15:52,550 --> 00:15:55,518 I don't see anyone with that question in their heart. 313 00:15:55,654 --> 00:16:02,410 How do I give my life to service that makes wrong things right? 314 00:16:03,270 --> 00:16:05,310 Or maybe you think that is what's going on. 315 00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:06,766 Do you see anyone with that heart? 316 00:16:06,838 --> 00:16:08,490 Am I missing someone out there? 317 00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:12,890 Maybe they are, I don't know. 318 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:17,758 But today we're going to talk about, for the next 15 minutes, let's 319 00:16:17,774 --> 00:16:18,750 see if I can stick to it. 320 00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:25,172 Evan, we're going to talk about this good old fashioned church 321 00:16:25,236 --> 00:16:31,572 word, sin, and what that has to do with this and this main concern 322 00:16:31,676 --> 00:16:32,600 for God. 323 00:16:33,980 --> 00:16:36,036 What does sin have to do with it? 324 00:16:36,188 --> 00:16:38,324 We've been in a series called Dead Man Walking. 325 00:16:38,372 --> 00:16:41,780 Like I talked about last week, I do want to recap this for you really 326 00:16:41,820 --> 00:16:41,972 quick. 327 00:16:41,996 --> 00:16:42,660 I want to show you. 328 00:16:42,700 --> 00:16:44,400 Last week we talked about this. 329 00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:47,966 I showed you this slide and this is the picture of the Milky 330 00:16:47,998 --> 00:16:48,286 Way. 331 00:16:48,358 --> 00:16:52,542 And there we are, that little dot, that little solar system in 332 00:16:52,566 --> 00:16:55,770 one galaxy amongst I don't even know how many. 333 00:16:57,270 --> 00:17:00,510 And yet in some way there's this special situation that we find 334 00:17:00,550 --> 00:17:01,182 ourselves in. 335 00:17:01,206 --> 00:17:06,814 On Earth, God's hope and desire was to share glory, God's 336 00:17:06,862 --> 00:17:09,934 light and glory with you. 337 00:17:10,102 --> 00:17:13,410 Psalm 8 says that we are crowned with God's glory. 338 00:17:13,870 --> 00:17:19,558 Our destiny is to be people of God's glory who emanate or share 339 00:17:19,614 --> 00:17:20,262 God's glory. 340 00:17:20,326 --> 00:17:24,170 Jesus says, you are the salt and light of the earth. 341 00:17:25,150 --> 00:17:28,370 Your destiny is to reflect God's light. 342 00:17:29,390 --> 00:17:32,438 And so we talked about this cosmic view of salvation. 343 00:17:32,534 --> 00:17:38,934 Like how my thesis for this whole thing is that Jesus salvation, 344 00:17:38,982 --> 00:17:42,454 when I investigated the Bible, it's so much bigger, so much brighter, 345 00:17:42,582 --> 00:17:44,998 so much more beautiful, mysterious and freeing than we've 346 00:17:45,014 --> 00:17:45,338 heard. 347 00:17:45,414 --> 00:17:49,030 And it matters for every ordinary person on earth. 348 00:17:50,650 --> 00:17:51,746 Jesus came. 349 00:17:51,818 --> 00:17:53,538 This is what the salvation is all about. 350 00:17:53,594 --> 00:17:58,370 Jesus came to bring his kingdom of light and glory to defeat 351 00:17:58,450 --> 00:18:02,242 the forces of death and darkness that have taken over our 352 00:18:02,266 --> 00:18:07,474 earth, the forces that we give ourselves to, that we participate 353 00:18:07,522 --> 00:18:08,110 in. 354 00:18:09,690 --> 00:18:14,840 So today I want to kind of talk to you about this word sin and 355 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,112 how classically people have. 356 00:18:17,216 --> 00:18:20,440 I've heard many, many people say that the word sin means to like 357 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,580 in the original language, to miss the mark. 358 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,792 Imagine shooting an arrow, bow and arrow, and you're trying to hit 359 00:18:26,816 --> 00:18:32,216 a target, but you miss and end up hitting someone else or something 360 00:18:32,288 --> 00:18:32,940 else. 361 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:40,666 Ironically, I think the church has missed the mark, understanding 362 00:18:40,698 --> 00:18:44,710 what the Bible's main view of sin is to begin with. 363 00:18:45,330 --> 00:18:52,490 But before we go, when you hear the word sin, what's the first 364 00:18:52,530 --> 00:18:54,390 thoughts and feelings that come to mind? 365 00:18:57,250 --> 00:19:01,450 Las Vegas Sin City, baby. 366 00:19:01,610 --> 00:19:02,430 Yes. 367 00:19:03,170 --> 00:19:04,910 Thank you, P.T. 368 00:19:07,570 --> 00:19:08,590 kirsten. 369 00:19:09,810 --> 00:19:10,550 Without. 370 00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:14,954 Yeah, thank you. 371 00:19:15,042 --> 00:19:15,898 Thank you for that. 372 00:19:15,954 --> 00:19:16,590 Yeah. 373 00:19:17,170 --> 00:19:21,722 When you hear the word sin, what thoughts, words, feelings come 374 00:19:21,746 --> 00:19:22,090 to mind? 375 00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:30,590 Like uncensored guilt, hurting myself. 376 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:42,250 I like how we're getting honest today. 377 00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:46,650 Something that can be a lot of fun, but the price is too high. 378 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:50,942 That's now going to be our definition of sin in here for the 379 00:19:50,966 --> 00:19:51,598 church. 380 00:19:51,774 --> 00:19:54,238 It's a lot of fun, but the price is too high. 381 00:19:54,294 --> 00:19:55,170 Alicia. 382 00:20:02,580 --> 00:20:03,600 Aha. 383 00:20:03,940 --> 00:20:09,852 I want to say really quick, I think, and you can now chime in whether 384 00:20:09,876 --> 00:20:10,508 you agree. 385 00:20:10,644 --> 00:20:14,588 I think that's been most of the churches, we've experienced their 386 00:20:14,644 --> 00:20:17,772 primary view of sin with it. 387 00:20:17,796 --> 00:20:23,800 There's this long lists, list of like, don't do this, because if 388 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:30,808 you do, we'll go back to the formula we talked about last week. 389 00:20:30,864 --> 00:20:34,936 It's a list of, like, don'ts behaviors, thoughts, words, actions 390 00:20:34,968 --> 00:20:36,440 that you, you can't do. 391 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,380 That's it, Charles. 392 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,128 A dark heart. 393 00:20:45,184 --> 00:20:46,340 Hang on to that. 394 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,460 Hang on to that. 395 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,776 We got three hands. 396 00:20:50,808 --> 00:20:52,180 I think Jill is first. 397 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:54,140 Shame. 398 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,896 We've talked a lot in here about the difference between guilt 399 00:20:59,928 --> 00:21:01,020 and shame. 400 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,392 It's a big field in psychology that grew up, especially in the last. 401 00:21:06,496 --> 00:21:10,740 It had a revival in the last, like 10, 15 years. 402 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,728 Guilt is I feel bad about this thing I did. 403 00:21:14,784 --> 00:21:16,740 Shame is I feel bad about me. 404 00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:23,320 There's something bad, there's defect, I'm defective, I'm dirty. 405 00:21:23,820 --> 00:21:28,852 Sometimes the church communicated that a little bit or 406 00:21:28,876 --> 00:21:29,604 a lot. 407 00:21:29,772 --> 00:21:30,276 Who else? 408 00:21:30,308 --> 00:21:31,240 Melissa? 409 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:32,680 Hell. 410 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:36,532 Sin and hell are tied together. 411 00:21:36,636 --> 00:21:37,640 Amanda. 412 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:40,800 Shame and control. 413 00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:45,970 Rock and roll. 414 00:21:46,550 --> 00:21:47,918 I literally got. 415 00:21:48,054 --> 00:21:50,610 I had started to play in a rock and roll band. 416 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:53,982 And my grandpa's wife, Avis. 417 00:21:54,126 --> 00:21:56,078 Lovely woman, Lovely woman. 418 00:21:56,134 --> 00:21:57,134 I love her. 419 00:21:57,302 --> 00:21:58,558 She has passed away. 420 00:21:58,694 --> 00:22:02,926 She wrote me a card that the whole content of the card was I needed 421 00:22:02,958 --> 00:22:06,410 to stop listening to and playing devil music. 422 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,180 It's a true story. 423 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,540 It made me like, I'm definitely playing it now. 424 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,240 Cue the nirvana. 425 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,900 Let's go, Joey. 426 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,020 Wrong or evil. 427 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,600 All right, it's 1023. 428 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,740 We gotta fly. 429 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,900 We gotta go fast. 430 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,420 I told you last week about the formula. 431 00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:35,190 Really quick recap. 432 00:22:36,490 --> 00:22:40,354 I believe in our society and culture, we became a people who wanted 433 00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:42,590 more of a formula way for everything. 434 00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:46,706 There was something that started called the enlightenment. 435 00:22:46,738 --> 00:22:48,050 If you're like, I don't want to hear about that. 436 00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:48,834 It's too confusing. 437 00:22:48,882 --> 00:22:50,402 I don't know that word even means. 438 00:22:50,506 --> 00:22:55,810 It was just a movement in the world really, where we wanted more 439 00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:57,510 reason and explanation. 440 00:22:57,850 --> 00:23:00,834 We don't want things that have any supernatural explanation. 441 00:23:00,882 --> 00:23:02,354 We don't trust the supernatural. 442 00:23:02,402 --> 00:23:05,286 We want something to have an explanation which gave us many good, 443 00:23:05,338 --> 00:23:06,170 good things. 444 00:23:07,670 --> 00:23:08,654 Many good things. 445 00:23:08,742 --> 00:23:10,130 I'm so happy. 446 00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:13,550 Reason can be a vehicle of the Holy Spirit. 447 00:23:13,630 --> 00:23:15,090 Our minds are a gift. 448 00:23:15,910 --> 00:23:17,170 They are a gift. 449 00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:23,054 But we wanted to put our theology, the way we understand God, 450 00:23:23,102 --> 00:23:25,890 Jesus, and how it all works together in a formula. 451 00:23:26,550 --> 00:23:30,430 Easier to control, easier to have faith, easier for evangelism. 452 00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:32,190 A plus B equals C. 453 00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:33,278 We talked about that formula. 454 00:23:33,294 --> 00:23:34,570 Do you remember that at all? 455 00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:36,324 This isn't me. 456 00:23:36,412 --> 00:23:36,804 Remember? 457 00:23:36,852 --> 00:23:37,876 This isn't Ross talking. 458 00:23:37,908 --> 00:23:40,004 This is the formula that was popular in church. 459 00:23:40,132 --> 00:23:44,404 A is, Charles, you are a sinner. 460 00:23:44,452 --> 00:23:47,156 You've been a sinner from the time you were born. 461 00:23:47,268 --> 00:23:50,436 The minute you came out, sinner, the doctor should have looked 462 00:23:50,468 --> 00:23:52,400 at you and said, look at this sinner right here. 463 00:23:53,260 --> 00:23:54,324 You think that's nuts? 464 00:23:54,372 --> 00:23:56,480 That's really what the theology said. 465 00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:58,052 Don't get me wrong. 466 00:23:58,116 --> 00:23:59,460 There is some truth in that. 467 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:00,916 I am a professional sinner. 468 00:24:00,948 --> 00:24:02,400 I've been one my whole life. 469 00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:04,606 There is truth to it. 470 00:24:04,758 --> 00:24:05,406 But to. 471 00:24:05,478 --> 00:24:08,286 But this went so deep as to say, like, from the minute you're 472 00:24:08,318 --> 00:24:08,958 born, you. 473 00:24:09,014 --> 00:24:11,810 You bear the guilt of original sin. 474 00:24:13,670 --> 00:24:15,022 You are gonna. 475 00:24:15,166 --> 00:24:16,110 That's what you do. 476 00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:18,670 And you deserve punishment for it. 477 00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:19,650 Consequences. 478 00:24:20,150 --> 00:24:24,046 And the consequences for that ultimately are, as Melissa Bryant 479 00:24:24,078 --> 00:24:24,798 told us, death. 480 00:24:24,854 --> 00:24:26,366 And specifically death. 481 00:24:26,518 --> 00:24:30,158 In this fiery place of eternal punishment, we have come to know 482 00:24:30,214 --> 00:24:30,810 as. 483 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:33,342 Okay, are you with me? 484 00:24:33,366 --> 00:24:36,846 Are you going to sleep Already this fiery place of eternal torture 485 00:24:36,878 --> 00:24:41,006 and punishment, we've come to know as, or to put it nicely, eternal 486 00:24:41,038 --> 00:24:41,966 separation from God. 487 00:24:41,998 --> 00:24:44,170 That's if we wanted to church it up a little bit. 488 00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:49,422 But luckily for our sakes, B. 489 00:24:49,526 --> 00:24:50,730 Came to the world. 490 00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:52,330 Who's B? 491 00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:55,690 But specifically, what did Jesus do? 492 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:03,620 He died on the cross to take the punishment for us in our place. 493 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,480 He beared the consequences of sin in our place so that whoever 494 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:16,536 believes in him will not perish in that place of eternal torture, 495 00:25:16,648 --> 00:25:22,110 punishment, or eternal separation and go to sea, which is 496 00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:24,390 heaven. 497 00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:26,946 Yeah, that wouldn't work, Joe. 498 00:25:26,978 --> 00:25:27,218 That. 499 00:25:27,274 --> 00:25:28,466 Yeah, we still end up in hell. 500 00:25:28,498 --> 00:25:30,002 Then it would be a really bad plan. 501 00:25:30,106 --> 00:25:34,790 Okay, we wanted a formula. 502 00:25:36,010 --> 00:25:39,714 We needed a formula so we could control it because God is mysterious. 503 00:25:39,762 --> 00:25:42,114 Did you know the Bible is weird? 504 00:25:42,162 --> 00:25:43,230 Did you know it? 505 00:25:43,690 --> 00:25:44,786 Very weird. 506 00:25:44,978 --> 00:25:47,394 Go hang out in Deuteronomy for a while and you'll be like, you know 507 00:25:47,402 --> 00:25:47,522 what? 508 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:48,298 It is weird. 509 00:25:48,434 --> 00:25:49,470 Very weird. 510 00:25:51,490 --> 00:25:57,950 But my thesis for this series, Jesus Salvation, is so much bigger, 511 00:25:58,530 --> 00:26:02,554 so much brighter, more beautiful, freeing and mysterious 512 00:26:02,602 --> 00:26:03,870 than we've ever heard. 513 00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:08,202 And even with our view of sin. 514 00:26:08,346 --> 00:26:12,190 I want to show you how I'm going to do it fast. 515 00:26:12,530 --> 00:26:15,706 How even Paul, There's a guy by the name of Paul, if you don't 516 00:26:15,738 --> 00:26:21,250 know who that is, he was a guy who persecuted the Jesus movement 517 00:26:21,670 --> 00:26:23,610 in his early adult years. 518 00:26:23,910 --> 00:26:27,918 Super accomplished guy like Evan Fruits. 519 00:26:28,094 --> 00:26:31,090 Very accomplished, very awesome. 520 00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:34,846 And then he realized, like, man, I'm not as awesome as I think. 521 00:26:34,918 --> 00:26:37,726 Because he had an encounter with the risen Jesus and changed 522 00:26:37,758 --> 00:26:42,446 his life and lost everything to bear witness to this light named 523 00:26:42,478 --> 00:26:43,170 Jesus. 524 00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:48,524 This guy Paul went around planting churches in the ancient 525 00:26:48,572 --> 00:26:49,960 Mediterranean world. 526 00:26:51,540 --> 00:26:56,300 So modern day Turkey, modern day Greece, all the way over to Rome. 527 00:26:56,380 --> 00:27:01,720 Eventually he wrote this letter to the churches in Rome called 528 00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:05,132 Romans. 529 00:27:05,196 --> 00:27:06,140 Okay, all right. 530 00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:06,908 We're doing it. 531 00:27:06,964 --> 00:27:07,852 All right. 532 00:27:08,036 --> 00:27:13,522 And this letter is the letter for evangelical Christianity. 533 00:27:13,586 --> 00:27:17,830 Baby, this letter is the gospel. 534 00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:22,546 So I've told you the Bible is a library of scriptures. 535 00:27:22,738 --> 00:27:26,706 And for the Christian, like, at the end of the day, if we don't 536 00:27:26,738 --> 00:27:29,330 know what to do, we go to this section of the library called the 537 00:27:29,370 --> 00:27:31,554 Gospels, and we listen to this guy named Jesus. 538 00:27:31,602 --> 00:27:32,642 We ask, what did he say? 539 00:27:32,666 --> 00:27:33,570 What did he do? 540 00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:35,850 How do we pattern our lives after that? 541 00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:40,010 Well, in evangelical Christianity, of which I'm. 542 00:27:40,170 --> 00:27:42,670 I was born up in it in many ways. 543 00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:44,762 So much. 544 00:27:44,946 --> 00:27:47,562 I'm so grateful for my evangelical roots. 545 00:27:47,626 --> 00:27:48,870 Seriously, I am. 546 00:27:49,890 --> 00:27:53,150 But the gospel for them is this letter to the Romans. 547 00:27:54,290 --> 00:27:56,590 And specifically, like three chapters. 548 00:27:58,690 --> 00:28:01,946 Have you ever heard this phrase, all have sinned and fallen 549 00:28:01,978 --> 00:28:02,922 short of God's glory. 550 00:28:02,986 --> 00:28:03,952 Ever heard of that? 551 00:28:04,106 --> 00:28:06,324 Raise your hand for real if you've heard that phrase before. 552 00:28:06,412 --> 00:28:07,920 Whoa, look at you. 553 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:09,760 Where'd that come from? 554 00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:12,360 Romans. 555 00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:14,200 Whoo. 556 00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:20,420 And because we wanted a formula, we missed what Romans was 557 00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:21,360 all about. 558 00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:27,400 Romans is more like, I've told you, like, Star Wars. 559 00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:35,520 Paul's belief wholeheartedly, his whole belief is that sin is not 560 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:40,900 just individual thoughts, words, and actions. 561 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,420 You're that long list that Alicia talked about. 562 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:52,000 Sin is not just you having a really fun time with that long list 563 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,920 of don'ts and then having to pay the price, which is too high. 564 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,992 But luckily, Jesus pays the price for you, so you get to go to 565 00:28:59,016 --> 00:28:59,620 heaven. 566 00:29:00,730 --> 00:29:02,950 That is not how Paul sees sin. 567 00:29:04,330 --> 00:29:05,390 It's not. 568 00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:11,282 If you take little pieces of the scripture and just isolate them 569 00:29:11,306 --> 00:29:13,870 out, you can make him think that. 570 00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:18,050 I want to give you just a quick snapshot of how he views sin. 571 00:29:18,130 --> 00:29:20,830 And then, more importantly, why do you care? 572 00:29:21,850 --> 00:29:23,310 Why should you care? 573 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:27,564 Why might it help us on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 574 00:29:27,652 --> 00:29:28,280 Friday? 575 00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:34,668 Paul's view of sin is that it's ultimately, like we talked about, 576 00:29:34,724 --> 00:29:38,156 this very big, bright, beautiful view of salvation that's, 577 00:29:38,188 --> 00:29:39,212 like, cosmic. 578 00:29:39,356 --> 00:29:42,348 Like the kingdom of light, remember we talked about last week, 579 00:29:42,404 --> 00:29:47,308 is invading and, like, doing battle with the forces of darkness 580 00:29:47,324 --> 00:29:49,640 and evil that have taken over the world. 581 00:29:51,310 --> 00:29:53,050 Big cosmic stuff. 582 00:29:53,790 --> 00:29:59,810 Paul sees sin as this cosmic force of darkness in which people 583 00:30:00,110 --> 00:30:02,810 are, like, imprisoned. 584 00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:07,942 And right now, you're already doing it. 585 00:30:07,966 --> 00:30:08,582 I can feel it. 586 00:30:08,606 --> 00:30:12,678 You're like, oh, man, that seems a little weird to me. 587 00:30:12,734 --> 00:30:15,590 Ross, remember we talked about last week? 588 00:30:15,630 --> 00:30:18,810 We've got this rise of people who are spiritual but not religious. 589 00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:22,150 More and more people, if they go to Starbucks and they get two 590 00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:24,694 drinks instead of one, they'll say something like, the universe 591 00:30:24,742 --> 00:30:26,450 wanted me to have two drinks today. 592 00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:28,262 They'll say things like that. 593 00:30:28,286 --> 00:30:31,414 But the minute we start actually talking about, like, spiritual 594 00:30:31,462 --> 00:30:34,758 forces of darkness, they're like, whoa, easy, pal. 595 00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:35,270 This. 596 00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:36,490 You're being weird. 597 00:30:37,550 --> 00:30:41,750 Well, it's funny how we'd be willing to believe spiritual things 598 00:30:41,790 --> 00:30:44,182 on one hand, but then on the other hand, when we actually start 599 00:30:44,206 --> 00:30:47,940 talking about, like, spiritual forces of darkness or evil at work 600 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:50,532 in the world, we're like, too weird. 601 00:30:50,596 --> 00:30:51,440 I'm out. 602 00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:57,028 But then we'll be willing to admit, like Paul says, that the good 603 00:30:57,084 --> 00:31:00,772 I want to do, the very good I want to do, that is not what I do, 604 00:31:00,796 --> 00:31:04,640 but the evil I don't want to do, that's what I end up doing. 605 00:31:05,340 --> 00:31:09,172 I guarantee you, if all of you are honest with yourself, you'd be 606 00:31:09,196 --> 00:31:11,120 like, that's at least somewhat true for me. 607 00:31:13,260 --> 00:31:16,260 Is there any truth for you that, like, sometimes the very things 608 00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:19,972 that you want to do the most, those aren't the things you do and 609 00:31:19,996 --> 00:31:22,532 the things that you want to do the least, those are the things that 610 00:31:22,556 --> 00:31:23,520 you end up doing? 611 00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:25,200 Or is it just me? 612 00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:29,444 I told you, when I get up in the morning, my ego's ready to go 613 00:31:29,452 --> 00:31:30,480 to work with me. 614 00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:32,800 Daggone it. 615 00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:39,540 Paul's view of sin is that it's this, like, force of darkness. 616 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:43,092 Like, there are spiritual forces of darkness that are like, 617 00:31:43,196 --> 00:31:45,940 that have destroyed our world and they shouldn't have, but they 618 00:31:45,980 --> 00:31:46,560 did. 619 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:53,028 Like, and everybody is in this prison now, and Jesus comes to what, 620 00:31:53,084 --> 00:31:56,800 to free us and forgive us. 621 00:31:57,580 --> 00:32:00,036 So for Paul, and then I'm going to show you this really quickly. 622 00:32:00,068 --> 00:32:02,628 In the scriptures, for Paul, it's both. 623 00:32:02,684 --> 00:32:06,804 Is sin an individual word, action, or behavior, or is it a force? 624 00:32:06,852 --> 00:32:07,268 Ross? 625 00:32:07,364 --> 00:32:10,310 Yes, yes. 626 00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:18,434 For Paul, when Brandon, hypothetically, let's say Brandon, 627 00:32:18,482 --> 00:32:26,610 today we were practicing for music, and then Brandon said to me, 628 00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:29,470 you know, Ross, your voice really sucks today. 629 00:32:32,730 --> 00:32:34,418 And then I was like, geez, man. 630 00:32:34,554 --> 00:32:38,466 And so for the next week, instead of talking, I start storing 631 00:32:38,498 --> 00:32:40,790 up resentment in my heart for Brandon. 632 00:32:41,530 --> 00:32:45,778 And, like, and then slowly I go, he's actually not a good person. 633 00:32:45,914 --> 00:32:49,042 Come to think of it, now that I play back my interactions with 634 00:32:49,066 --> 00:32:52,030 him, I actually think he's not a good person. 635 00:32:53,290 --> 00:32:55,810 And then I'm like, you know what? 636 00:32:55,930 --> 00:32:59,730 I kind of hope that Brandon gets exposed for what he is, not 637 00:32:59,770 --> 00:33:00,670 a good person. 638 00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:03,796 I'm sorry. 639 00:33:03,828 --> 00:33:08,244 None of you have done anything like that before because you're a 640 00:33:08,252 --> 00:33:10,400 good Christian, right? 641 00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:12,880 You've never done anything like that. 642 00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:17,172 What I just did in that hypothetical scenario? 643 00:33:17,316 --> 00:33:26,212 Yes, I had some individual thoughts, beliefs, resentments that 644 00:33:26,236 --> 00:33:28,240 are not what God destined for me. 645 00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:34,972 And when I was doing that, I was participating in the forces of 646 00:33:34,996 --> 00:33:35,760 darkness. 647 00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:39,772 I was giving my allegiance to the forces of darkness from which 648 00:33:39,796 --> 00:33:41,240 Jesus has freed me. 649 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:46,520 Let me show you really quick. 650 00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:48,268 Give me till 10:40. 651 00:33:48,324 --> 00:33:49,516 Okay, deal. 652 00:33:49,668 --> 00:33:50,828 I'm doing it anyway. 653 00:33:50,924 --> 00:33:54,636 So just like, you're entrapped, you're trapped in sin. 654 00:33:54,668 --> 00:33:56,800 You're trapped with me for another six minutes. 655 00:33:59,690 --> 00:34:01,010 I just want to show you a little bit. 656 00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:05,750 Like, watch how Paul's view of sin is about, like, this force. 657 00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:09,670 Like, he uses big, big language. 658 00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:14,946 It's not just like, oh, Elisha did these 10 things you're not supposed 659 00:34:14,978 --> 00:34:15,346 to do. 660 00:34:15,418 --> 00:34:18,226 So now you're destined for hell because you did those 10 thoughts, 661 00:34:18,258 --> 00:34:21,698 words, and actions you're not supposed to do no sin is like this 662 00:34:21,754 --> 00:34:25,602 force of a kingdom of darkness that Jesus comes to free us from, 663 00:34:25,706 --> 00:34:28,390 wants us to participate in the kingdom of light and glory. 664 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,296 So we'll make a quick run through this. 665 00:34:32,368 --> 00:34:34,180 Nope, we got to keep going. 666 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,416 Ooh, big scary word. 667 00:34:39,528 --> 00:34:40,184 God's wrath. 668 00:34:40,232 --> 00:34:42,152 We'll have to deal with that one another day. 669 00:34:42,336 --> 00:34:43,860 Not going to get to it today. 670 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,820 Look, look. 671 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,352 Ever since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities, 672 00:34:53,416 --> 00:34:56,920 God's eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen because 673 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,378 they are understood through things God has made. 674 00:34:59,434 --> 00:35:01,350 So humans are without excuse. 675 00:35:02,010 --> 00:35:05,186 Although they knew God, they didn't honor God as God or thank 676 00:35:05,218 --> 00:35:05,362 him. 677 00:35:05,386 --> 00:35:08,946 Instead, their reasoning became pointless and their foolish 678 00:35:08,978 --> 00:35:11,270 hearts, Charles, became darkened. 679 00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:18,034 So the reason I wanted to show you that one is that from the beginning, 680 00:35:18,082 --> 00:35:21,538 Paul has this idea that like, whatever happened along the way, 681 00:35:21,674 --> 00:35:24,470 something happened to humanity as a whole. 682 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,528 And for generations, like our world has been destroyed by this 683 00:35:29,584 --> 00:35:32,620 darkness and hardness of heart amongst human beings. 684 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,992 And so again, you'll notice in these letters if you're paying attention, 685 00:35:38,056 --> 00:35:41,384 that Paul's main questions aren't how, like, God saves individual 686 00:35:41,432 --> 00:35:44,968 people out of this mess that has become human civilization. 687 00:35:45,144 --> 00:35:48,580 Instead, he's asking like, how do we actually make things right? 688 00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:52,690 How do things actually get made right? 689 00:35:52,810 --> 00:35:54,610 How do things get restored? 690 00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:59,202 How does the world get restored from this darkness that 691 00:35:59,226 --> 00:36:00,870 has destroyed humankind? 692 00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:04,706 Our hearts collectively become darkened and hardened. 693 00:36:04,818 --> 00:36:08,030 God is asking like, how do we make that right? 694 00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:10,430 Not just how do we get even? 695 00:36:10,730 --> 00:36:13,842 How do I make the humans pay for what they've been up to? 696 00:36:14,026 --> 00:36:16,030 No, how do we save them? 697 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,340 That's the main question. 698 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,500 Romans 2:5. 699 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,104 We were going to talk about wrath another day. 700 00:36:26,192 --> 00:36:28,900 Sorry, I'll just say this really quick. 701 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,464 How many of you honesty again. 702 00:36:31,552 --> 00:36:35,048 How many of you have just got a little itty bitty tiny bit of rage 703 00:36:35,144 --> 00:36:37,080 with what's going on in the political world right now? 704 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:37,820 Anyone? 705 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,016 Look at those hands. 706 00:36:41,208 --> 00:36:43,740 You're allowed to have rage, but God isn't. 707 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,740 Hmm, weird. 708 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,096 God is not happy about what humankind has become, what God's 709 00:36:55,128 --> 00:36:56,660 beautiful world has become. 710 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,952 But the story of the gospel is that God doesn't choose wrath. 711 00:37:01,016 --> 00:37:02,360 God chooses grace. 712 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,936 God decides to give offering to the world and offering named Jesus 713 00:37:07,048 --> 00:37:08,580 to win us back. 714 00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:10,910 Romans 3, 9. 715 00:37:14,410 --> 00:37:15,790 There, you see that? 716 00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:18,670 All under the. 717 00:37:18,970 --> 00:37:20,310 Say the next word. 718 00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:23,042 So what are we saying? 719 00:37:23,066 --> 00:37:23,602 Are we better off? 720 00:37:23,626 --> 00:37:24,510 Not at all. 721 00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:26,322 We've already stated the charge. 722 00:37:26,386 --> 00:37:29,310 Both Jews and Greeks are all under the. 723 00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:34,594 It's not just individual thoughts, words and actions. 724 00:37:34,642 --> 00:37:37,634 Paul thinks there's this power at work in the World. 725 00:37:37,802 --> 00:37:40,386 It's funny how you know why I love hanging out with the recovery 726 00:37:40,418 --> 00:37:41,084 community. 727 00:37:41,282 --> 00:37:43,580 They take this stuff so seriously. 728 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,952 So seriously. 729 00:37:47,096 --> 00:37:51,820 They have tried and tried and tried and tried to be in recovery. 730 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,280 They've mustered every bit of willpower they can to not do the 731 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,580 list of don'ts. 732 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,664 And at some point they realized the main. 733 00:38:02,752 --> 00:38:04,780 The first step in recovery. 734 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,460 The first and second. 735 00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:13,570 My life has become unmanageable and I need a power greater 736 00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:14,790 than myself. 737 00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:18,786 That's what Paul is bearing witness to in Romans. 738 00:38:18,818 --> 00:38:19,474 Not my phone. 739 00:38:19,522 --> 00:38:21,310 What does my phone have to do with it? 740 00:38:22,090 --> 00:38:26,178 He's saying in this letter, like, there is this power that is 741 00:38:26,234 --> 00:38:28,690 just destroying humankind in the world. 742 00:38:28,810 --> 00:38:32,390 We need a glorious power who is greater than ourselves. 743 00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:37,484 Not just make us good old Christian people, but who can transform 744 00:38:37,532 --> 00:38:40,876 us with a glorious power from the inside out. 745 00:38:41,028 --> 00:38:45,004 So we no longer participate in the spiritual forces of darkness 746 00:38:45,052 --> 00:38:49,484 and evil, but instead we give our allegiance daily to the spiritual 747 00:38:49,532 --> 00:38:53,052 forces of light and glory which Jesus has come to spread on 748 00:38:53,076 --> 00:38:53,628 the earth. 749 00:38:53,724 --> 00:38:54,920 Are you with me? 750 00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:59,180 So when I lie. 751 00:38:59,260 --> 00:38:59,564 Yes. 752 00:38:59,612 --> 00:39:01,424 Am I doing an individual action? 753 00:39:01,572 --> 00:39:02,300 Yeah. 754 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,672 Am I doing it to preserve myself? 755 00:39:05,736 --> 00:39:06,664 You betcha. 756 00:39:06,792 --> 00:39:07,912 I don't lie, folks. 757 00:39:07,976 --> 00:39:08,696 Just kidding. 758 00:39:08,808 --> 00:39:12,580 Anyways, when I treat people as a means to an end. 759 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,104 Yes. 760 00:39:16,152 --> 00:39:17,780 Am I doing an individual action? 761 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,580 Are my thoughts off the mark? 762 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,488 Am I not measuring up to the glory for which God has destined 763 00:39:24,504 --> 00:39:24,680 me? 764 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:24,984 Yes. 765 00:39:25,032 --> 00:39:26,248 But I'm also man. 766 00:39:26,304 --> 00:39:27,782 I feel it sometimes. 767 00:39:27,936 --> 00:39:29,226 I can't describe it. 768 00:39:29,298 --> 00:39:32,634 I'm under the influence of like these spiritual forces of darkness 769 00:39:32,682 --> 00:39:36,250 at work in me, at work in the world. 770 00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:37,530 Oh, my gosh, it's 10:40. 771 00:39:37,570 --> 00:39:39,070 We're almost done, I swear. 772 00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:51,034 Listen, I got to give you the Cliff Notes version of Romans 5. 773 00:39:51,202 --> 00:39:54,810 This whole chapter 5 is like of Romans. 774 00:39:54,890 --> 00:40:04,110 Is the evangelical like chapter of chapters, Romans 5, even 775 00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:04,590 that one. 776 00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:05,038 If you. 777 00:40:05,094 --> 00:40:08,590 Your homework is to go back and read it, read chapters five and 778 00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:14,410 six of Romans and instead think of Paul as asking the question, 779 00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:20,766 what is God going to do about this dark force of sin that is destroying 780 00:40:20,798 --> 00:40:21,610 the world? 781 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:23,960 Read it. 782 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,260 Not with the formula in mind. 783 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,660 Are you with me? 784 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,208 Read Romans 5 and 6. 785 00:40:31,264 --> 00:40:32,760 You got homework this week? 786 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:33,640 Read it. 787 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,824 Don't be looking for that A + B equals C formula. 788 00:40:36,952 --> 00:40:37,528 Read it. 789 00:40:37,584 --> 00:40:38,200 Looking for. 790 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,248 Paul is addressing this question, what is God doing about 791 00:40:42,304 --> 00:40:47,100 this force of sin that has destroyed humankind for generations? 792 00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:52,162 You'll hear him talk about glory, how we've fallen short of 793 00:40:52,186 --> 00:40:53,250 God's glory. 794 00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:56,434 I told you, the whole end game is Habakkuk. 795 00:40:56,562 --> 00:40:59,362 The knowledge of God's glory will cover the earth, as surely as 796 00:40:59,386 --> 00:41:01,110 the waters cover the sea. 797 00:41:02,090 --> 00:41:05,570 God is coming to win us from these spiritual forces. 798 00:41:05,650 --> 00:41:08,470 Darkness, over to this glory. 799 00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:14,828 And look what I will read this one last thing. 800 00:41:14,884 --> 00:41:15,960 Romans 6. 801 00:41:16,660 --> 00:41:19,280 Listen to how, like, cosmic this gets. 802 00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:26,956 Paul's basically saying, so, like, because God chose grace instead 803 00:41:26,988 --> 00:41:31,228 of wrath, God decided to give Christ as an offering to battle this 804 00:41:31,284 --> 00:41:32,460 force that's destroying us. 805 00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:33,660 Should we go on sinning more? 806 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:34,520 No way. 807 00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:38,120 Look at this. 808 00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:41,160 It's so, like, big. 809 00:41:42,220 --> 00:41:44,964 Don't you know that all of us who are baptized into Christ Jesus 810 00:41:45,012 --> 00:41:46,960 were baptized into his death. 811 00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:51,044 We were buried together with him through the baptism into his 812 00:41:51,052 --> 00:41:51,268 death. 813 00:41:51,324 --> 00:41:55,440 So just as Christ was raised from the dead through the. 814 00:41:57,180 --> 00:41:59,920 Just as Christ was raised from the dead through the. 815 00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:04,020 This is about the kingdom of glory and light, like, winning back 816 00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:04,920 the earth. 817 00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:08,160 We too can walk in newness of life. 818 00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:13,240 I'm going to skip through these here. 819 00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:17,052 Oh, there it is again. 820 00:42:17,236 --> 00:42:21,084 I'm not making it up because the person has died, has been freed 821 00:42:21,132 --> 00:42:22,080 from sins. 822 00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:26,892 It's not just like, oh, I lied today and so I did a thing on the 823 00:42:26,916 --> 00:42:28,040 not do list. 824 00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:31,520 It's like, hey, you're imprisoned. 825 00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:33,880 Jesus comes to liberate you. 826 00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:36,178 Academy Award music. 827 00:42:36,234 --> 00:42:37,150 Cue it. 828 00:42:38,570 --> 00:42:39,910 Come on in, Boaz. 829 00:42:41,050 --> 00:42:42,002 Show us what you got. 830 00:42:42,026 --> 00:42:42,830 What's that? 831 00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:45,670 That looks cool. 832 00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:57,150 All right, last thing. 833 00:42:58,090 --> 00:43:01,682 In the same way, you should also consider yourselves dead to 834 00:43:01,706 --> 00:43:05,734 sin, but alive for God in Christ Jesus. 835 00:43:05,782 --> 00:43:07,930 This is about a change of allegiance. 836 00:43:11,310 --> 00:43:14,806 Being a Christian is about, like, this cosmic change of allegiance. 837 00:43:14,838 --> 00:43:17,010 That's why I said Star wars does it better. 838 00:43:18,830 --> 00:43:21,542 The Bible is asking, like, hey, who are you going to join up 839 00:43:21,566 --> 00:43:21,750 with? 840 00:43:21,790 --> 00:43:23,910 The dark side or the rebels? 841 00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:26,614 And the rebels in this case are people who follow Jesus. 842 00:43:26,662 --> 00:43:27,770 Are you a rebel? 843 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,312 Some of you are like, yes. 844 00:43:29,376 --> 00:43:30,780 Finally he gets me. 845 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,232 Living for Jesus in the kingdom of light and glory is like 846 00:43:35,256 --> 00:43:36,900 being a part of a rebellion. 847 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,880 When you hang out with the dark side, you're just, like, doing 848 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,220 what everybody else does. 849 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,500 Paul's saying, don't do that. 850 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,540 Don't let sin rule your body. 851 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,776 Do you hear that? 852 00:43:51,848 --> 00:43:55,590 That cosmic, like, who rules you? 853 00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:58,042 That's the question, like, day to day. 854 00:43:58,066 --> 00:43:59,870 That's the, like, practical stuff. 855 00:44:01,810 --> 00:44:03,670 Don't let sin rule your body. 856 00:44:04,850 --> 00:44:05,978 Here's the part right here. 857 00:44:06,034 --> 00:44:09,930 Don't offer parts of your body to sin to be used as weapons to do 858 00:44:09,970 --> 00:44:10,618 wrong. 859 00:44:10,794 --> 00:44:11,910 You hear that? 860 00:44:12,370 --> 00:44:15,674 Instead, present yourselves to God as people who have been brought 861 00:44:15,722 --> 00:44:21,876 back to life from the dead and offer the parts of your body to God 862 00:44:21,908 --> 00:44:24,240 to be used as weapons to do right. 863 00:44:25,820 --> 00:44:31,720 Do you see how sin is not this like it's not just a bunch of behaviors. 864 00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:37,252 See how big Instead of offering your life as weapons to 865 00:44:37,276 --> 00:44:41,360 do wrong, participating in the dark side Dave Offer your life. 866 00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:44,772 Jim Offer your life. 867 00:44:44,876 --> 00:44:52,700 Charles Adam Offer your life as a weapon to do right. 868 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,736 It's a cosmic thing like so every day. 869 00:44:58,888 --> 00:45:02,512 When you choose with God's help, you need a power greater than 870 00:45:02,536 --> 00:45:03,220 yourself. 871 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,420 Can't do it on your own. 872 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,144 When you choose to see the person in front of you as a beautiful 873 00:45:10,192 --> 00:45:14,600 creation of God, you're part of the rebellion. 874 00:45:15,820 --> 00:45:19,876 When you get up and decide to spend 10 minutes in prayer, you're 875 00:45:19,908 --> 00:45:21,080 part of the rebellion. 876 00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:30,840 When you forgive someone because we're so hell bent on revenge, 877 00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:32,852 resentment and retribution. 878 00:45:32,916 --> 00:45:36,180 When you forgive someone, you're part of the rebellion. 879 00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:39,680 You're bringing the light and glory of God into the place. 880 00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:45,202 Everything is an opportunity to not participate in the force of 881 00:45:45,226 --> 00:45:49,266 sin, to give it up, to turn from it and say I want to participate 882 00:45:49,298 --> 00:45:50,950 in the kingdom of light and glory. 883 00:45:51,610 --> 00:45:54,530 It's an opportunity to say God, thank you for freeing me from 884 00:45:54,570 --> 00:45:56,430 this force and forgiving me. 885 00:45:56,730 --> 00:45:58,670 Lord, help me to be a part of the light. 886 00:45:59,690 --> 00:46:02,258 You have that opportunity on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 887 00:46:02,314 --> 00:46:04,590 Friday, Saturday and today. 888 00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:08,092 Go read Romans 5, 6 with this in mind now. 889 00:46:08,276 --> 00:46:09,160 All right. 890 00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:11,600 Oh geez, let's pray. 891 00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:19,080 Oh Lord, help me to be better with time. 892 00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:29,692 Lord, help us to be to break free from this shrunken down view 893 00:46:29,716 --> 00:46:34,370 of salvation, this shrunk down view of you. 894 00:46:36,030 --> 00:46:40,678 Help us to be part of this beautiful majestic kingdom of light 895 00:46:40,734 --> 00:46:42,890 and glory that's invading the earth. 896 00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:47,050 Help us to be part of the rebellion. 897 00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:52,950 Help us to trust that we are simply who you say we are because 898 00:46:52,990 --> 00:46:58,256 of your grace, because of your love for us. 899 00:46:58,408 --> 00:47:02,112 Help us to fight with the only weapon that can actually free us 900 00:47:02,136 --> 00:47:03,580 and make things right. 901 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,232 Love in Jesus name. 902 00:47:07,336 --> 00:47:08,100 Amen. 903 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,472 Thank you for participating in the conversation happening at Heaven 904 00:47:13,536 --> 00:47:14,848 Earth Church. 905 00:47:15,024 --> 00:47:20,620 Your next opportunity to do so live is this Sunday morning, 9:30am 906 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,926 Eastern time either at the main campus at 309 East Main in Whiteland, 907 00:47:25,958 --> 00:47:30,246 Indiana or online at YouTube Live. 908 00:47:30,398 --> 00:47:35,450 That's@YouTube.com heavenearth church. 909 00:47:36,670 --> 00:47:42,902 The audio podcast is always available at Apple Podcast and on 910 00:47:43,006 --> 00:47:43,878 Spotify. 911 00:47:44,054 --> 00:47:48,582 You can help others find out about the Heaven Earth Church podcast 912 00:47:48,726 --> 00:47:53,526 by going to Apple Podcasts and or Spotify and leaving a five star 913 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