Ep28
===
[00:00:00] Tilly: Hello lovelies and welcome to this week's episode. This week we're talking all things low energy. We are tired with the sleep training, constipation, as well as adult toilet talk, and feeding. Feeding workshops, our opinions, us being judgy little madams. So enjoy.
[00:00:16]
[00:00:16] Dan 1: So, episode 28.
[00:00:43] Tilly: 28.
[00:00:44] Tilly: My, my
[00:00:44] Tilly: mind,
[00:00:45] Dan 1: This week we're going to
[00:00:46] Dan 1: bring the energy, eh?
[00:00:47] Tilly: we're absolutely not. I'm having one of those days where I'm just not feeling I'm not feeling anything today, a little bit over it. So sorry for probably my lack of PEPs.
[00:01:01] Tilly: I would not be a good chili today.
[00:01:02] Dan 1: I'm eating strawberry laces to
[00:01:04] Dan 1: try and give myself a
[00:01:05] Dan 1: sugar
[00:01:06] Tilly: Ah,
[00:01:07] Tilly: the boob.
[00:01:08] Dan 1: We've got a baby that won't boob and sleep.
[00:01:12] Tilly: I was drinking coffee throughout this episode
[00:01:14] Tilly: myself up.
[00:01:16] Dan 1: Over the last week my coffee's definitely massively increased.
[00:01:19] Tilly: Yeah, like, I normally have between one and two cups, but often it's one. I've definitely been two a day this week. Which probably to a lot of people is like, that's not much coffee at all. We're quite boring people
[00:01:30] Tilly: we don't really do much substances,
[00:01:32] Tilly: including caffeine and that. Definitely, it's definitely got more over the years.
[00:01:35] Tilly: Like, when
[00:01:37] Dan 1: yeah, up until like recently, I
[00:01:40] Dan 1: didn't really used to have coffee, I'd only, I'd only have it for the caffeine. I mean, I still am only having it for the
[00:01:45] Dan 1: caffeine, but it would only be like an exception, wouldn't be a standard. Yeah.
[00:01:51] Tilly: we go to somewhere nice, you'll have like a nice flat
[00:01:53] Tilly: white now. And that's not necessarily always for caffeine, you also just have the Oh
[00:01:58] Dan 1: I like it, but then I also like the caffeine.
[00:02:00] Tilly: yeah, of course, there's definitely an upside.
[00:02:02] Dan 1: So yeah, this week, quite tired because of sleep training.
[00:02:05] Dan 1: Well,
[00:02:21] Tilly: night.
[00:02:23] Dan 1: not in the last few days, but she
[00:02:25] Dan 1: was.
[00:02:26] Tilly: I'm saying previous to that, I'd had sort of two, maybe three weeks
[00:02:29] Tilly: of that,
[00:02:31] Dan 1: was
[00:02:31] Tilly: while working. And my work's been quite intense as well. It's been quite, quite a lot
[00:02:38] Tilly: So now, today is my
[00:02:40] Dan 1: Humiliation.
[00:02:41] Tilly: I'm pretty sure everyone has these days. Sometimes you just have a day every once in a while
[00:02:45] Tilly: where you're just like, no. Just
[00:02:47] Dan 1: a while. Just no.
[00:02:49] Tilly: Just no.
[00:02:50] Dan 1: I'm not
[00:02:51] Tilly: Feel a little bit tired. Very tired. Feel tired. Feel like a little bit down. I feel like I could probably cry. Maybe I'm about to my first period.
[00:02:58] Tilly: Who knows?
[00:02:59] Dan 1: it's that bad isn't
[00:03:01] Tilly: I
[00:03:01] Tilly: do feel quite teary, yeah. Um, yeah.
[00:03:03] Dan 1: progressing, yeah.
[00:03:04] Dan 1: Okay. I
[00:03:05] Tilly: I was saying that about a crock pot and now I can feel my eyes welling up.
[00:03:08] Tilly: Good content for you guys. I don't,
[00:03:11] Tilly: I'm not like sad or depressed or anything.
[00:03:14] Dan 1: it's a little
[00:03:15] Tilly: Like I just feel a little bit done today,
[00:03:19] Dan 1: know it is dumb.
[00:03:21] Tilly: as they like to do on the old Instagram. I need to fill up my cup.
[00:03:24] Dan 1: need
[00:03:25] Tilly: cup's a bit
[00:03:26] Tilly: empty.
[00:03:27] Dan 1: Crikey.
[00:03:33] Tilly: to me while
[00:03:34] Dan 1: Sorry, I've just written, I'm not scrolling. I need something for later on in the podcast. Whenever I'm doing something else on the phone,
[00:03:41] Dan 1: it's
[00:03:42] Tilly: I
[00:03:42] Tilly: know, but if you guys haven't realised, Dan can't do phone time and talk time.
[00:03:46] Dan 1: I can, you're talking about filling up your
[00:03:48] Tilly: You're not giving me the attention that I want.
[00:03:50] Dan 1: the emotive attention. I'm here for you. Record a podcast for everyone. I'm here for
[00:03:58] Tilly: I mean, we're not calling for everyone. We're not. This is
[00:04:01] Tilly: absolutely for
[00:04:02] Dan 1: There's whole 10.
[00:04:04] Tilly: Yeah, but it's still not for
[00:04:04] Tilly: them, is it? We're doing it for us because,
[00:04:06] Tilly: one, it's a good time for us to talk to each other, and two, it's We want to make this our career, we want to have cushy lives as being podcast people. We don't have to do real work, we just
[00:04:16] Dan 1: talk to people for a.
[00:04:18] Tilly: exactly.
[00:04:19] Tilly: Smithy lines soon.
[00:04:21] Dan 1: Couple's Invisalign, they do a couple's discount.
[00:04:25] Tilly: Yeah, it's like when we share teeth, but we're sharing sledgehacks. If we had very different teeth, it
[00:04:30] Dan 1: You get the top one, I get the bottom one.
[00:04:32] Tilly: Yeah. Swamp, you've got quite little teeth.
[00:04:35] Dan 1: Yeah, it's really annoying. with my braces, it was
[00:04:39] Dan 1: actually to pull my teeth up and out, because they were too small.
[00:04:43] Tilly: They're like out of your gums. Don't
[00:04:45] Dan 1: Yeah, so I've got actually very little root
[00:04:47] Dan 1: left, because
[00:04:49] Tilly: they look quite unstable?
[00:04:52] Dan 1: Yeah, I wouldn't, you know, I'm not I'm
[00:04:53] Dan 1: not trying, exactly, I don't want to make a career out of bare knuckle boxing. It's probably going to result in me needing veneers.
[00:04:59] Tilly: don't know what you should do. Because look at the guys who have to fight with your weight category. Absolutely not.
[00:05:05] Dan 1: Coming for you, Tyson Fury.
[00:05:07] Tilly: He's not. He's not Tyson. We're cool. We're cool.
[00:05:12] Dan 1: You think you can beat Naganu at MMA? I think I can beat you at
[00:05:15] Dan 1: boxing.
[00:05:18] Dan 1: No, I
[00:05:19] Tilly: Turned into an Excel tool.
[00:05:21] Dan 1: Oh yeah, come at me. XL Esports, let's go.
[00:05:25] Tilly: You should actually see someone who could be like, secretly really good at that.
[00:05:28] Dan 1: Shall we get straight into it then, what's been going on this week?
[00:05:32] Tilly: Other than sleep training, I wouldn't say Has anything else happened?
[00:05:36] Dan 1: Well we've continued weaning, we've had a lot of constipation haven't
[00:05:39] Tilly: Yes. I've got some fun stories of what's come out, which we'll get into in the scat chat later. But she's been a really good eater, like she's smashing like a lot of food. Like she's definitely coming to the table like ready to eat now, isn't she?
[00:05:51] Dan 1: She's ferociously ready to eat,
[00:05:52] Dan 1: she just can't wait. You pull that spoon out and she just grabs it out of your hand and just thrusts it anywhere into her face. And eventually into her mouth after having got all the contents over her
[00:06:02] Tilly: I did have to pick the chia seed out of her nostril yesterday. Which is very middle class. Which we are. No, because like before when you first start feeding she's kind of like, Oh, what's what's this? What's happening? Whereas now she's like, I know what's happening, give it to me.
[00:06:17] Dan 1: well I think it's also the foods that you're giving her. Like she really likes Mulches. I know that we're trying to give her solids as
[00:06:24] Tilly: well.
[00:06:24] Tilly: she likes both, like I was still giving her lots of handheld stuff, but she still likes feeding herself like the tomatoes and cucumber and stuff.
[00:06:29] Dan 1: Yeah, but I don't see the same aggression with the things that she
[00:06:32] Tilly: You mushrooms. Oh gosh,
[00:06:35] Dan 1: It's
[00:06:36] Tilly: they're all mushrooms.
[00:06:37] Dan 1: What day was that that I missed out on? Monday was that?
[00:06:41] Dan 1: Monday was Mushroom Mania.
[00:06:42] Tilly: Yeah, like I was having some like mushrooms on toast. Because when Dan's away, I like to have mushrooms, because he doesn't like them.
[00:06:49] Dan 1: mushrooms.
[00:06:50] Dan 1: and aubergines.
[00:06:51] Tilly: So we add mushrooms and toast, and then I left her some raw mushrooms. Just like sliced raw mushrooms. And see, they're quite spongy, aren't they? They're quite an odd texture.
[00:06:58] Dan 1: Yeah.
[00:06:59] Tilly: But she didn't really enjoy it, she was just like trying to cram them in as fast as possible. Like, ra la la la la la
[00:07:03] Dan 1: That's my girl. Speed eating.
[00:07:05] Tilly: And like, always, she went, she puts another mouthful in before the last one's finished, And she ends up like, sort of, like, gagging. She's like, too much food. and then she goes, okay.
[00:07:12] Tilly: She's been trying to drink a bit more water this week.
[00:07:15] Dan 1: Yeah, yep, so
[00:07:17] Tilly: We went to a feeding class, didn't we? That's what we
[00:07:19] Dan 1: Well, what day, what day was it that we went that I had to go to the hospital with her, well, to the hospital I had to
[00:07:25] Tilly: hospital!
[00:07:25] Dan 1: a doctor's appointment. They're called surgeries, which makes them sound really severe But then all it is is like a GP sat there she wasn't feeling it, she was a bit annoyed because I think she tried, so I arrived like five minutes late, well, I would have arrived on time, but there was
[00:07:41] Dan 1: the tiniest parking spaces,
[00:07:44] Tilly: and it wasn't Westerners.
[00:07:45] Dan 1: and then the problem is, tiny car parking spaces are fine when you don't have a baby seat, because you're like, it's fine.
[00:07:52] Dan 1: I just need to make sure that I can get out of one side of the car. Now I, as a big bloke, need to try and get out one side, and then I need to go around and get a car seat out the other side. So I spent like, more, it took me longer to try and park, than it did to actually get there. And it took me so long in fact, that the blue badge holder
[00:08:12] Dan 1: lady that was parked next to me, had come out of her appointment, had had a conversation with the lady next to in the
[00:08:20] Dan 1: bay one over, got in her car, started her car, and driven off. and so I just then reparked, and I was like, oh there. We go, now everyone can get out.
[00:08:30] Dan 1: So I was five minutes late to the appointment, and then she couldn't get her tech to work, so we ended up starting later, and so she wasn't really feeling the appointment that much, but we got there. We got there. And she was just a bit like
[00:08:44] Dan 1: Is she teething? I was like yeah. Is she, weaning? I was like yeah.
[00:08:48] Dan 1: Is she, and then they're like well, that's two main things that lead to a lot of constipation. Give her a lot more water,
[00:08:54] Dan 1: keep her up on the fiber, try not to give her too many things that she's not going to be used to as of yet.
[00:09:01] Tilly: Yeah, so we've sort of reverted back slightly to doing predominantly fruit and vegetables.
[00:09:06] Dan 1: Yeah, so we got a bit excited, didn't we?
[00:09:09] Tilly: Well, she was just
[00:09:09] Dan 1: we realised that We should eat, should eat everything and enjoy everything. And so we were like, okay, here you go, have a pork pie, and Um, hehehehe
[00:09:21] Tilly: did buy some fancy meat this weekend, just trying to get her onto it, but until she's like a little bit more loose.
[00:09:26] Dan 1: we went to an award winning, yep, it's actually won the Royal Oscars, I
[00:09:34] Tilly: think we all know what that
[00:09:35] Dan 1: the Countryside Association Awards I think is what it's called.
[00:09:39] Dan 1: But
[00:09:39] Tilly: love to go to that award ceremony.
[00:09:41] Dan 1: brands itself as the Rural Oscars.
[00:09:43] Tilly: I wonder what the exception speeches are like.
[00:09:47] Dan 1: Here's to all the pegs!
[00:09:49] Tilly: Cheers.
[00:09:50] Dan 1: yeah, so we went there and told them what we bought.
[00:09:53] Tilly: So, we're not massive meat. eaters.
[00:09:56] Tilly: I wanted her to, like,
[00:09:57] Tilly: get used to eating everything. I wanted her to eat everything and try everything. And So, I was like, well, if she's gonna eat meat, I want it to be like, really good quality meat.
[00:10:05] Dan 1: I'm also going to
[00:10:07] Tilly: And so I wanted her to get a little range, so we got a few chicken thighs, a little bit of pork mince, a little bit of beef mince,
[00:10:12] Dan 1: things, a
[00:10:13] Tilly: and some little,
[00:10:14] Tilly: like,
[00:10:14] Tilly: lamb cutlets on the bone, because I thought it would be like a little meaty lollipop bird,
[00:10:17] Tilly: which is quite nice.
[00:10:18] Tilly: I had to sort of gnaw on.
[00:10:20] Tilly: I've just got a small amount of each, and I'm just gonna freeze them up in little portions. I'm probably gonna make a little bolognese out of the minced beef, And make the pork into little patties,
[00:10:28] Tilly: which I'm gonna obviously, obviously, pack with vegetables.
[00:10:31] Dan 1: like a porcupine. So, we're going to
[00:10:34] Tilly: So it'll be like pork with like courgettes and onions and things like that.
[00:10:38] Dan 1: And we also got pig skin. Pig skin for the,
[00:10:41] Tilly: daddy man over there.
[00:10:42] Dan 1: For the dracula.
[00:10:44] Tilly: for
[00:10:45] Tilly: the scratchlings company that you want
[00:10:46] Dan 1: Blabbering Scratchings, they're going To kick off better than our TED listener podcast.
[00:10:51] Tilly: do that properly though, we'd have to Is that hell? I won't get in touch with them right now. It's very boring content for you guys. It's a thing. It's different to crackling which I can't do right now because my seafood fry is probably feeding workshop this week.
[00:11:03] Dan 1: We did. I've got lots to say about that. You start and then I'll fill in the gaps. Yep.
[00:11:17] Tilly: probably other than that, not overly informative. But I think it's good if you're someone who's going into weaning quite nervous. We went into it quite unnervous, and that's one because we've been around babies, I guess, you know, I'm very fortunate to have a friend who's a nutritionist so I can sort of like, pester her with lots of questions if I have a concern.
[00:11:39] Tilly: and also just like, obviously food is what I do.
[00:11:41] Dan 1: I mean, it's
[00:11:42] Tilly: And so I'm just quite confident in what I give to her. because we're not overly
[00:11:45] Dan 1: so it's always, like,
[00:11:47] Tilly: anxious parents, I suppose. Like, we've been giving her lots of like handheld stuff from the get go, really. Whereas I think a lot of parents are quite scared to move off purees for like choking hazards and that sort of thing.
[00:11:57] Tilly: So, I think we were probably a
[00:11:59] Tilly: bit of an anomaly in that room.
[00:12:01] Dan 1: Yeah. and here's my point,
[00:12:03] Dan 1: hear me now, okay, first time parents, and people who are gonna be parents, chill the fuck out. Go speak to your grandmother,
[00:12:12] Dan 1: I, your children's great grandmother, and ask them what they did for your parents.
[00:12:19] Dan 1: Because, like, when
[00:12:20] Dan 1: I speak to
[00:12:20] Tilly: Not necessarily, because
[00:12:21] Tilly: they do a lot of shit.
[00:12:22] Dan 1: lot of shit. Exactly. But your parents are fine.
[00:12:24] Tilly: Yeah, But they're not
[00:12:25] Tilly: are they? Think of how many issues that parrots have.
[00:12:28] Dan 1: No, but my
[00:12:31] Tilly: I just to not be dead.
[00:12:33] Dan 1: I don't think that the issue stemmed
[00:12:35] Dan 1: from the fact that they were
[00:12:36] Tilly: No, but I just think taking that as a blanket statement is probably not a great idea.
[00:12:39] Dan 1: But what I mean is people believe that kids are just gonna die all the time they're not they're pretty fucking resilient We've made it to that. We've not two thousand years Thousands
[00:12:50] Dan 1: of years on this planet potentially millions of years on this planet.
[00:12:53] Tilly: I
[00:12:53] Tilly: don't know, this is an argument. I
[00:12:56] Dan 1: point here is that why are people nervous? when we've learned when humans are pretty fucking
[00:13:02] Tilly: mean, until fairly recently, infant mortality was pretty fucking high.
[00:13:07] Dan 1: not that recently
[00:13:09] Dan 1: two three generations
[00:13:10] Tilly: yeah but since we've started caring more.
[00:13:13] Dan 1: yeah no but that's what i mean like if you if you read about the stuff that like our parents parents did like for example my grandmother she used to drop a hot coal in my dad's milk that's how it was sterilized that's how it
[00:13:28] Tilly: it was sterilized, it was to do with sleeping or something, wasn't it?
[00:13:32] Dan 1: Exactly. And that was fine. That worked. My dad was fine. It all worked out.
[00:13:38] Dan 1: People need to chill out a bit. Like, just follow, read the guidelines, follow the guidelines, and relax. You being worried isn't good for your kid.
[00:13:47] Tilly: Oh, I agree with
[00:13:48] Dan 1: Do what it says, and chill out. Because you're just making everyone miserable. You're miserable because you're worried all the time, your kid's gonna end up real fucking nervous because they think everything's gonna kill him, and no one's having a good
[00:14:01] Tilly: I think, probably the takeaway from Tansuran is that, I
[00:14:07] Tilly: think, you just need to
[00:14:08] Tilly: be, use a bit of common sense, really. And if you're introducing something new, to make sure you're present with them. And that goes for lots of things. Not
[00:14:17] Dan 1: just mean in general.
[00:14:18] Tilly: No, I know. And I'm not just talking food. I'm using food as an example.
[00:14:21] Tilly: Like, say you are moving on to a solid drop in the puree and you are a bit nervous. I can understand that. Your child hasn't swallowed a solid before. They, they are learning. but it's likely they are going to gag, which isn't obviously nice to watch. But just watch them. When you're with them, it's fine.
[00:14:36] Tilly: You know, you can very quickly see when a child is struggling.
[00:14:39] Dan 1: Yeah.
[00:14:40] Dan 1: And
[00:14:40] Tilly: you don't feed them things that they are going to choke on. So like, you wouldn't feed them a grape, because that's the perfect size for their windpipe. So don't give them that. But you can feed them like a big chunk of apple that they can sort of gnaw on. or a soft piece of carrot. It's just going to sort of flop down their throat. it?
[00:14:55] Tilly: should be. It should be. I've taken a lot of
[00:14:57] Dan 1: that's the thing. I can't, I often think, okay, is this piece of food
[00:15:01] Dan 1: that I'm giving my baby, if she was to cough or to struggle, will it collapse in there and she will eventually be able to swallow it? If it can't, like a grape, I won't give it to her. Like, like we
[00:15:13] Dan 1: smashed the blueberries this morning. We smashed them up because they
[00:15:16] Dan 1: wouldn't hold But as long as the skin's been
[00:15:19] Dan 1: split, she coughs a few times, that's gonna, you know, it's gonna go smaller, and then she'll be able to swallow
[00:15:24] Dan 1: it. But people just worry so much, and you're just, just making your life harder than it needs to be.
[00:15:30] Dan 1: And you're
[00:15:30] Dan 1: gonna make your kid anxious, you're gonna have a rough time, just focus more
[00:15:35] Dan 1: on
[00:15:35] Tilly: Very lovely.
[00:15:36] Dan 1: giving your kid opportunities to do new things, rather than sat there worried about the fact that they could die, cos, you know, your fucking ceiling could fall in on you if you're gonna worry too much.
[00:15:46] Dan 1: Anything could happen if you wanna be real
[00:15:49] Dan 1: dramatic about things. Bye.
[00:15:52] Tilly: I think we're probably,
[00:15:54] Dan 1: risk in life. We've
[00:15:55] Tilly: I think we approach risk in
[00:15:58] Tilly: life just a little bit differently. I think when you've had a life that has possibly gone through dramatic events. You're approaching this differently. If someone's not, then things seem bigger. Well, I think we just have, you know, a different perspective.
[00:16:15] Dan 1: think more people in this world have had traumatic events than you think.
[00:16:18] Tilly: I know they have,
[00:16:19] Dan 1: I don't think that, I don't think that's a factor. I just think
[00:16:23] Dan 1: that people are, people worry too much. People just
[00:16:28] Dan 1: need to spend a bit more time focusing on what's actually good in the now rather than what's bad in the potential future that's incredibly
[00:16:34] Tilly: I'm fully with you, yeah.
[00:16:37] Dan 1: You've got to remember that risk is likelihood times event. Most people just think of
[00:16:42] Dan 1: event, but it's an incredibly unlikely event. It doesn't matter how bad it.
[00:16:46] Dan 1: could be. The score is almost zero.
[00:16:49] Tilly: I mean, you're preaching to the choir, darling. I'm, I'm,
[00:16:53] Dan 1: So
[00:16:53] Dan 1: I, in my analogy,
[00:16:54] Tilly: risk no, not risk averse, I should
[00:16:56] Tilly: say.
[00:16:57] Dan 1: the ceiling could collapse on me. Incredibly unlikely, so I'm not at all worried about it.
[00:17:03] Dan 1: My baby could choke. If I've
[00:17:05] Dan 1: split the black, if I've split the blueberry, very unlikely. So I'll continue anyway. But yeah, people need to chill out and focus more on their kid's like,
[00:17:17] Dan 1: mentality as it were,
[00:17:18] Dan 1: and helping them just do things rather than worrying about them dying all the time.
[00:17:24] Tilly: Dan gets quite aggressive when he's tired, you can tell. It's quite
[00:17:29] Dan 1: But in other news,
[00:17:32] Dan 1: I've braided my strawberry lace all the way through.
[00:17:38] Tilly: you could do three of them and then plait them into a plait. And then you could
[00:17:42] Dan 1: Well then I wouldn't have paid any attention to you the whole podcast.
[00:17:45] Tilly: Also, I don't know. You know, people use like, there's a woman who's talking about actually feeding everything like baby rice
[00:17:51] Dan 1: And also one woman there is about to get on a 13 hour flight. All the way to Hong Kong.
[00:17:57] Dan 1: Also, there's people who like, always
[00:18:00] Dan 1: feel like they're getting rid of baby rice and that sort of thing. It's basically just mashed up rice, it's got little pieces of it you know what
[00:18:13] Tilly: feed them normal rice.
[00:18:14] Dan 1: it's like, a ready
[00:18:16] Dan 1: breakfast.
[00:18:17] Tilly: It's basically just mushed up rice. It's like little pieces. It's like, you know, essentially, it's like the ready break of rice. Yeah. I don't know.
[00:18:27] Dan 1: this game is. It's
[00:18:28] Tilly: I think that's what needs to be educated more. It's
[00:18:30] Tilly: just like,
[00:18:31] Dan 1: I've, like, I don't know
[00:18:32] Tilly: you don't have to buy things that
[00:18:33] Tilly: are, like, targeted at babies. You can just, You just adapt, normal stuff to them.
[00:18:38] Dan 1: I might, with our eggs, I might, like, put some eggs in our food and stuff,
[00:18:42] Tilly: I was thinking the other day, I might, with our oats, I might put some oats in our food processor and just blitz them up,
[00:18:47] Tilly: so that when we are making a porridge for her, Crush it down so it's a little bit smaller.
[00:18:53] Dan 1: Okay,
[00:18:57] Dan 1: so they're going to be blended oats? in her porridge. I thought you
[00:19:00] Dan 1: meant that we were going to
[00:19:02] Dan 1: add blended oats to normal oats to make it like some sort of super oat porridge. I was like, okay,
[00:19:07] Dan 1: real thick,
[00:19:10] Dan 1: super oaty.
[00:19:11] Dan 1: Constipated? Not anymore. Check out all this
[00:19:13] Dan 1: fiber you've got.
[00:19:16] Dan 1: all right, Simon, fiber?
[00:19:18] Tilly: very good.
[00:19:20] Dan 1: good.
[00:19:20] Dan 1: nutrition knowledge,
[00:19:21] Dan 1: Dan.
[00:19:22] Tilly: She had a very high
[00:19:23] Tilly: fibrous breakfast today.
[00:19:24] Tilly: She had some yogurt with some smashed blueberries and smashed banana and chia seeds and oats, but because we weren't cooking it I put the oats
[00:19:33] Tilly: in last night. That's why I put them in last night so they soften. Obviously, raw ropes, she won't really break down, because she doesn't like, properly chew.
[00:19:41] Tilly: Some of the babies, I
[00:19:45] Dan 1: and do we want to talk about some of the
[00:19:48] Dan 1: babies there or no?
[00:19:49] Dan 1: There's some odd, babies are odd looking.
[00:19:55] Tilly: think you want to be careful. I know. I'm
[00:19:57] Dan 1: I know. but at the same time they are aren't
[00:20:00] Dan 1: they?
[00:20:00] Tilly: like how some people dress their children. Like,
[00:20:03] Dan 1: children. It's very
[00:20:04] Dan 1: impractical.
[00:20:05] Tilly: very impractical.
[00:20:06] Dan 1: Yeah, like, the
[00:20:08] Dan 1: lady who had him in a full,
[00:20:09] Tilly: Like, full white shirt.
[00:20:11] Dan 1: not just a shirt, it was
[00:20:12] Dan 1: a,
[00:20:13] Dan 1: what's his name, the Austin Powers, it was an
[00:20:16] Tilly: like a frilly shirt,
[00:20:17] Dan 1: it was an Austin Powers outfit,
[00:20:20] Dan 1: the frilly
[00:20:20] Tilly: It was a bit of some
[00:20:21] Dan 1: the suit,
[00:20:22] Tilly: it looked ironed. I'm not ironing my baby's
[00:20:26] Dan 1: and so then the baby needed some feed in the middle of the session, and she
[00:20:31] Dan 1: spun. longer putting the hazmat suit over this baby so that she could bottle feed them than the baby needed feed for. So it was just
[00:20:41] Dan 1: crying away as she was trying to put some sort of like oversuit on
[00:20:45] Tilly: I think we're quite lax with how dirty she gets there.
[00:20:47] Dan 1: Yeah, look, I mean, look how dirty we are.
[00:20:49] Dan 1: Stop being precious people.
[00:20:52] Dan 1: Live.
[00:20:52] Tilly: I mean, it's
[00:20:53] Dan 1: Just live.
[00:20:54] Tilly: We're probably just bit mingiers. we
[00:20:55] Dan 1: Yeah, But we Live,
[00:20:56] Tilly: We do love, we live. Live, love, love. I can't
[00:21:00] Dan 1: worry about shit.
[00:21:01] Tilly: beard from this angle.
[00:21:03] Dan 1: It really needs trimming, but just
[00:21:06] Dan 1: live.
[00:21:06] Tilly: just live.
[00:21:07] Dan 1: Fuck it.
[00:21:09] Dan 1: Just live. Like, no one cares about you. You're going to walk down the street, well people
[00:21:14] Dan 1: do care about you, but no one who doesn't know you cares about you.
[00:21:18] Dan 1: You're going to walk down the street, no one's going to bat an eyelid, and even if they do, they will forget about you within seconds.
[00:21:24] Tilly: People look at us because they go, that's a
[00:21:26] Tilly: fucking dual family.
[00:21:28] Dan 1: Yeah.
[00:21:28] Dan 1: I mean, we're pretty outlandish in terms of like, size, and just
[00:21:35] Tilly: like fully grown? I wonder what our total weight will be, which would be like a rugby team. We like put our weight like, like scrum weight or whatever.
[00:21:42] Dan 1: I've seen this interesting challenge on Instagram. It's called
[00:21:45] Dan 1: the dad deadlift challenge. And the idea is you've got to try and deadlift,
[00:21:50] Tilly: Your whole family,
[00:21:50] Dan 1: yeah, the weight
[00:21:51] Tilly: got heavy family to lift
[00:21:52] Dan 1: I know. I was thinking, I was
[00:21:54] Dan 1: trying to
[00:21:54] Dan 1: work
[00:21:55] Tilly: is what, 62?
[00:21:56] Dan 1: it counts pets, but that's the thing. I'm
[00:21:59] Dan 1: already heavy myself.
[00:22:00] Dan 1: So
[00:22:01] Tilly: Oh. Are you included in that? That lifting your weight?
[00:22:04] Dan 1: yeah, it's the
[00:22:04] Tilly: said lifting you is hard because I'm and I'm heavy than I normally am right now, So I'm probably.
[00:22:11] Dan 1: So it's 200, just with
[00:22:13] Dan 1: me and you.
[00:22:14] Tilly: more than that. Right now. You're, you're one 30.
[00:22:18] Tilly: I'm probably about 80 at the moment.
[00:22:19] Dan 1: It's 210, just a minute. She's only 8, easy. If you count fatty,
[00:22:25] Tilly: There's almost 300.
[00:22:26] Dan 1: I'm not saying that I can lift 210, I'm just saying that adding 8
[00:22:28] Dan 1: isn't going to change anything. whereas adding fatty, yeah, becomes nearly 300 kilos.
[00:22:34] Dan 1: Yeah,
[00:22:35] Dan 1: so, I need to work up to doing the, the dad deadlift challenge.
[00:22:40] Tilly: I feel like surely it's more important you can just
[00:22:43] Tilly: lift everyone else in your family than yourself because like in a, in, if there emergency, you have to carry us all.
[00:22:49] Dan 1: I don't think that's kind of the idea, I think It's
[00:22:51] Tilly: That's how I see it.
[00:22:53] Dan 1: metric, a challenge as it were.
[00:22:56] Tilly: I mean, yeah, you've not got, you've not locked out there.
[00:23:00] Dan 1: No, because I've not been one of these big people that marries a tiny woman. I've married a woman who's six foot one and therefore,
[00:23:07] Tilly: I weigh what woman weighs.
[00:23:09] Dan 1: exactly. You weigh more than the average five foot tiny woman that big men go
[00:23:13] Dan 1: for.
[00:23:14] Dan 1: And I got them a birth in hips. Because
[00:23:17] Dan 1: I
[00:23:18] Dan 1: knew
[00:23:21] Tilly: It ain't gonna, we ain't gonna breathe small. I wonder what the average thing is for Like, a, a second baby is only bigger or smaller than the first. I don't know if Theo was No, they're bumsy. I don't think they're the actual baby. think Flo Flo was early. She was still She wasn't small, but I think she was less than I was.
[00:23:37] Dan 1: but what I did love about that baby
[00:23:40] Dan 1: was going to Hong Kong
[00:23:42] Tilly: Oh, the hair.
[00:23:44] Dan 1: is I think what you can say about babies is that they do look like funny, fat old people.
[00:23:48] Tilly: Yeah, the two of you.
[00:23:50] Dan 1: Don't think anybody can get offended by that because it's a generic statement and this kid in particular Looked very much like a funny fat
[00:23:58] Tilly: He does. Well, the issue is that their hair rubs away in weird places, doesn't
[00:24:01] Dan 1: yeah, and then These long sideburny bits and just have that sort of like round old person face
[00:24:08] Tilly: a really cute face
[00:24:09] Tilly: to be fair.
[00:24:10] Dan 1: Yeah, very cute baby, but like like a cute old
[00:24:13] Dan 1: person Not like cute baby, like it was cute But look like kind of like you know that really sort of smiley old person look that you get
[00:24:21] Dan 1: And that was quite funny.
[00:24:22] Dan 1: I
[00:24:22] Tilly: think
[00:24:22] Tilly: they should be like
[00:24:23] Dan 1: should be like,
[00:24:24] Tilly: just for like, the weird hairstyles that babies just get from like, bits that rub away, bits that grow, Like Zoe just got random long bits, bits of short, She's got one
[00:24:32] Tilly: curl.
[00:24:33] Dan 1: of grow, bits of
[00:24:35] Tilly: It's just all very strange isn't it, why they rub away.
[00:24:39] Dan 1: So unless you've got anything more, should we talk about sleep? Well, is there anything more to discuss on weaning? just me making a mess of it.
[00:24:48] Dan 1: But loving it, I think. Yeah.
[00:24:52] Tilly: I'm very lucky actually.
[00:24:53] Dan 1: it.
[00:24:54] Tilly: I
[00:24:54] Tilly: think also, one more point. She's, I think we've been, because, because, we've been
[00:24:58] Tilly: relaxed that's probably helped her. Because we've not forced anything on
[00:25:01] Tilly: her.
[00:25:01] Dan 1: you just keep retrying it?
[00:25:03] Tilly: But we just keep retrying things. Like, she didn't like avocados to begin with. And then we retried
[00:25:08] Tilly: it, and then she smashed it.
[00:25:10] Tilly: Yeah, and
[00:25:10] Dan 1: Yeah, I mean, admittedly, the photos, the, sorry, the avocados that we tried her off of at first,
[00:25:16] Dan 1: Were pretty unripe.
[00:25:19] Dan 1: So they were really solid, and they're
[00:25:20] Dan 1: also, unripe avocados don't taste very nice.
[00:25:26] Tilly: Or keep ignoring me and going on your phone.
[00:25:28] Dan 1: No, there's something, okay, I've got it ready for later let's see, so we started the assault on Thursday night.
[00:25:36] Dan 1: Okay, we started our assault Thursday night
[00:25:40] Dan 1: with you sleeping up here in the spare room.
[00:25:43] Tilly: Yeah, so our initial thought was that we were going to tag team it, wasn't it? So we each, we sort of alternate nights. So on the night that we're not doing it, we can get sleep to hopefully make us less tired.
[00:25:53] Dan 1: Well, I still think that was the right way to start it because we both go in with like a full, a full night's sleep ready. So we tag teamed it. So I did Thursday night, then you did Friday night
[00:26:05] Dan 1: and then we've both done Saturday and Sunday and here we are on Monday.
[00:26:10] Dan 1: And
[00:26:12] Dan 1: I think the way we did it as well is that, so she's in her own room, she's got her own cot and we were quite.
[00:26:22] Dan 1: I tried to make sure that she wasn't, she didn't go into our room at all on the Thursday and the Friday night,
[00:26:29] Dan 1: well, no, I was only there on the Thursday, I don't know what you did on the Friday.
[00:26:32] Dan 1: I
[00:26:34] Tilly: then I put her back. You don't have to feed, that chair is not comfortable for feeding in.
[00:26:38] Dan 1: I have to sit there with a bottle.
[00:26:40] Tilly: same.
[00:26:42] Dan 1: Yeah. Meh. Yeah.
[00:26:46] Tilly: No, no, no.
[00:26:47] Dan 1: And, so, what we did was, we'd be in there, and then if she stirred,
[00:26:53] Dan 1: we'd wait five minutes, and then go and see if she's alright.
[00:26:57] Dan 1: Unless they were either really fake cries or really real cries. Really real cries, go straight in. If it's really fake cries, just keep extending the five minutes. Because she doesn't need you, she's first night, I think what I tried to do was I spent a lot of time trying to get her to actually just Properly sleep and then settle her asleep.
[00:27:17] Dan 1: And so we spent about two and a half hours trying to, you know, me and that room trying to get her to fall asleep and then settle her asleep and she'd just wake as soon as I lay her down. Get her back up, try and get her to sleep and settle her, try and get her to sleep again. Lay her back down, she'll fall asleep.
[00:27:31] Tilly: And
[00:27:34] Dan 1: and then she'd wake straight away, and did this for like,
[00:27:37] Tilly: We were going
[00:27:38] Dan 1: yeah, two and a half hours. And then eventually I just got
[00:27:41] Dan 1: sick of it, and was like, fuck it, I'm gonna lay her
[00:27:43] Dan 1: down. And as she wakes, I'm just gonna
[00:27:45] Dan 1: start that five minute timer, and go through. And if, if the five minutes elapses, she's still crying, I'll come back and I'll Go back to the whole setting
[00:27:52] Dan 1: stuff. And so, yeah,
[00:27:54] Dan 1: within five minutes she just fell asleep. She'd obviously been so tired
[00:27:57] Dan 1: from sort of waking and constantly waking that within five minutes she just gave up and fell asleep.
[00:28:03] Tilly: Front
[00:28:04] Dan 1: then tends to be that?
[00:28:07] Dan 1: once we get her to sleep, she only wakes once or twice properly, like in the night. She might wake every so
[00:28:15] Dan 1: Okay, well, for me, after
[00:28:18] Dan 1: all that, So, baby's sleep cycles are very different
[00:28:23] Dan 1: to adults. They're a lot shorter. There's a lot more REM sleep. There's a lot more chance than waking. When they complete
[00:28:31] Dan 1: a cycle, they often wake to some degree. So,
[00:28:37] Dan 1: they, they very rarely just roll straight into the next cycle. They will usually wake at least somewhat. And so on the first night, I definitely
[00:28:47] Dan 1: had that whereby she would literally, you just suddenly hear her. Wow. And then,
[00:28:52] Dan 1: it would be
[00:28:52] Dan 1: silent again. And she just basically woken up, screamed and then fall back to sleep. and so I only had like, I think, I think I only had to get.
[00:29:00] Dan 1: up
[00:29:00] Tilly: put her
[00:29:02] Dan 1: Maybe twice? I think just once. No,
[00:29:04] Dan 1: twice. Yeah, twice. But, but usually
[00:29:07] Dan 1: but I think that's also because we spent so long trying to put, I spent so long trying to put her down.
[00:29:13] Dan 1: So how did your Thursday night go? so we put her down, the normal time I
[00:29:17] Dan 1: was trying to do it, which was quite
[00:29:19] Tilly: the normal time at 7 or whatever, she went down, but then she woke up quite soon afterwards. Then I resettled her, and then she stayed asleep until or something, I think it was about 10,
[00:29:31] Tilly: and then I, you know, give her a bottle and then she wouldn't give that down for quite a while. She'd sort of resettle again until about half 11, 12.
[00:29:40] Dan 1: and do
[00:29:41] Tilly: a similar thing, like, kept trying to feed her and put her down until she woke up and then she kept crying longer than five minutes, so I had to go back but eventually she settled and then we woke up again at like half one ish or something, and again, she wasn't really settling.
[00:30:00] Tilly: so I took her into our room, just had her, holding her feeding her.
[00:30:04] Tilly: to resettle her, my back against that stupid chair, and then, She
[00:30:09] Tilly: eventually resettled.
[00:30:10] Tilly: I put her back to about half two,
[00:30:13] Dan 1: I'm just
[00:30:14] Tilly: and she woke up again at half four,
[00:30:16] Dan 1: Okay. And then,
[00:30:17] Tilly: and then I fed her again,
[00:30:20] Dan 1: to
[00:30:21] Tilly: and she finally got to sleep. I
[00:30:24] Tilly: quarter past five, no, half five. And then she woke up again 15 the day's begun.
[00:30:30] Dan 1: the datagram. And, okay, and then what, how was, I think Saturday night was, we did a half and half, didn't we? Of course, I thought
[00:30:39] Tilly: well, we sort of passed a few nights, we were just together anyway, so like, we sort of.
[00:30:42] Dan 1: And then, we?
[00:30:43] Dan 1: did a
[00:30:43] Tilly: And then,
[00:30:44] Dan 1: that. Yeah.
[00:30:44] Dan 1: I
[00:30:45] Tilly: she's been a lot better. I don't want to count my blessings, because I know it's not linear, and we could easily get
[00:30:51] Tilly: very shit again, but the past two nights have been a lot better. So she's basically gone down at her normal half seven ish time, and then stayed asleep.
[00:31:01] Dan 1: Last night until
[00:31:02] Dan 1: two, didn't she? Because often she wakes at nine for a feed, and then wakes at two.
[00:31:09] Dan 1: She didn't
[00:31:09] Dan 1: have her like, because we went up to bed at half ten.
[00:31:12] Tilly: Last night she woke up just before 12. No, the night before, just before 12.
[00:31:17] Dan 1: And then
[00:31:18] Tilly: And then I fed it and it took a while to settle up. and then you carried
[00:31:21] Tilly: her back through. And then it took you a little bit of time to get her to
[00:31:24] Dan 1: I didn't,
[00:31:25] Tilly: that was the only time I think.
[00:31:27] Dan 1: Last night? Last night.
[00:31:29] Tilly: Last
[00:31:30] Tilly: night,
[00:31:30] Dan 1: night it was.
[00:31:33] Dan 1: It was about 2 o'clock that she woke, well,
[00:31:35] Dan 1: 2 o'clock that woke me. And
[00:31:49] Tilly: You took her through. So
[00:31:50] Dan 1: then we didn't use
[00:31:51] Dan 1: any of the bottle. So
[00:31:52] Dan 1: I've got, Fatty gets a whole 9
[00:31:54] Tilly: But then that was it, so yeah,
[00:31:57] Dan 1: that's what I mean, she's only been waking like
[00:31:58] Tilly: yeah. so what we've been quite firm with is like, we may not want to get up at six in, the morning.
[00:32:04] Dan 1: Because
[00:32:04] Tilly: but because that's normally our get up time, I want to stick to
[00:32:06] Tilly: it for now. Now once she's fine sleeping by herself, I don't mind leaving her a bit longer.
[00:32:10] Dan 1: Which is
[00:32:11] Dan 1: why
[00:32:11] Tilly: It's just more, I don't want her to sleep too long and then not sleep the
[00:32:13] Tilly: following night. so I'm waking her up so she's tired enough. And so we'll see how today goes. You just want to be naked and free.
[00:32:20] Dan 1: You hot as well? We're already hot.
[00:32:22] Tilly: She's sweaty, she's
[00:32:23] Tilly: a sweaty little girl. See her hair's stuck to her head. So I think we can't complain too much.
[00:32:28] Dan 1: it's going
[00:32:29] Dan 1: surprisingly well.
[00:32:30] Tilly: Yeah.
[00:32:31] Dan 1: So,
[00:32:31] Dan 1: what are we going to do for the week going forward? Do you want to continue the way we are? Do you want to,
[00:32:35] Dan 1: yeah? Yeah, yeah. so, talk to me about, you not being able to sleep. because I've, I've been checking my watch because I've been recording my sleep, and my sleep I think has probably improved, I didn't record my sleep
[00:32:47] Dan 1: beforehand, but instead of sleeping all the way through,
[00:32:52] Dan 1: I'll have two sleeps that are maybe disrupted by half an hour to an hour, and they're still scoring like 80 to 90 percent
[00:32:58] Dan 1: in terms of
[00:33:00] Dan 1: sleep efficiency.
[00:33:01] Dan 1: And so, how come you're not sleeping? Well,
[00:33:04] Tilly: think one, you sleep better than me generally. You're very good at just falling asleep, and I'm not.
[00:33:08] Dan 1: go to sleep.
[00:33:09] Tilly: because my head's
[00:33:09] Tilly: just busy at the moment, generally. I'm struggling with that.
[00:33:13] Dan 1: that.
[00:33:14] Tilly: Oh. It's awful that.
[00:33:17] Tilly: every time I wake up to feed her, even if it's less times, I'm staying awake for quite a long
[00:33:20] Tilly: time.
[00:33:20] Dan 1: for a long time.
[00:33:22] Tilly: But then in between. I think because I'm so used to having her with me, I'm just used to being like, constantly
[00:33:26] Dan 1: like, I don't know
[00:33:28] Tilly: wanting to be able to give her a feed or whatever. so
[00:33:30] Tilly: I keep feeling like, I'm, I don't
[00:33:32] Tilly: know I keep feeling like I'm hearing her or whatever. Anyway, I just, Yeah, I think until I get used
[00:33:37] Tilly: to
[00:33:37] Tilly: her not being there. I'm just
[00:33:38] Dan 1: that
[00:33:39] Tilly: still quite disturbed.
[00:33:40] Tilly: I
[00:33:41] Dan 1: Okay. I
[00:33:42] Tilly: I used to tend to her needs a lot during the night, so I'm just kind of used to that used to kind of not really actually going into a deep sleep. Because I'm basically always ready to feed her, essentially.
[00:33:55] Dan 1: Okay.
[00:33:56] Dan 1: So even though you've had a lot more opportunities, because you've not actually slept that much better.
[00:34:02] Dan 1: Even though you've got a lot more sleep opportunities at the
[00:34:04] Dan 1: moment. Is
[00:34:05] Tilly: But that will come.
[00:34:06] Dan 1: Well, I fucking hope so, because
[00:34:08] Dan 1: otherwise you'll be
[00:34:09] Tilly: No, yeah, I just need to readjust, that's all. But it was nice yesterday, wasn't
[00:34:15] Tilly: it? The
[00:34:16] Dan 1: nice yesterday, wasn't it? The luxury
[00:34:19] Tilly: We had,
[00:34:20] Dan 1: we had, like,
[00:34:21] Tilly: half an hour to ourself and wake up in the morning. So we got
[00:34:24] Dan 1: 6.
[00:34:24] Dan 1: We've
[00:34:26] Tilly: We got a quick little shifty in. And then we had a little snuggle afterwards. And then we went and got her up. That was nice. I was like, my god.
[00:34:40] Dan 1: start. Luxurious. Snuggle sex in the morning? Didn't think I'd do this for years. And then, like,
[00:34:46] Tilly: And then, like, last night we had a spoon. We spooned the whole way through till she woke up. So
[00:34:52] Dan 1: Yeah. That was pretty nice. And
[00:34:54] Tilly: that was pretty nice. Not having the
[00:34:55] Tilly: little cock block in the way.
[00:34:57] Dan 1: little cock
[00:34:57] Dan 1: block zone.
[00:34:58] Tilly: Okay, what do you want to show me then? So,
[00:35:01] Dan 1: last, no, not last week, a few weeks ago,
[00:35:04] Tilly: you.
[00:35:05] Dan 1: you were like, oh, I've got a
[00:35:07] Dan 1: beef,
[00:35:09] Tilly: Oh gosh, what's this? I thought you've got your little petty face on. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. What's
[00:35:16] Dan 1: Let's see if I've got a little petty face on.
[00:35:18] Dan 1: Do you?
[00:35:19] Tilly: preparing if you're doing it, Drew. Sam, are we just
[00:35:23] Dan 1: Alright. Fucking hell. This is the thing, you
[00:35:26] Dan 1: didn't let me prepare.
[00:35:28] Dan 1: You were like, oh,
[00:35:29] Dan 1: you're not paying
[00:35:30] Dan 1: attention to me. We never prepare before, do we? Do we? That's one of
[00:35:36] Dan 1: the reasons why this podcast probably only has ten listeners. There's no fucking preparation beforehand.
[00:35:42] Dan 1: Why the fuck did though?
[00:35:47] Dan 1: Explain, for the people at home, what this
[00:35:50] Dan 1: is.
[00:35:52] Tilly: Wait, what was my beef with you?
[00:35:54] Dan 1: No, it's nothing to do with your beef with me. I'm
[00:35:56] Dan 1: just rebutting with the beef in
[00:35:57] Tilly: Oh, okay.
[00:35:58] Dan 1: So, would you like to explain or shall I?
[00:36:00] Tilly: us your
[00:36:01] Dan 1: So what you
[00:36:02] Tilly: right? You're getting really on
[00:36:05] Dan 1: because I have to keep cleaning up piss soggy toilet paper. off the floor because what you do.
[00:36:15] Tilly: Let me, you you didn't let me explain it,
[00:36:16] Dan 1: Well, I
[00:36:17] Dan 1: didn't
[00:36:17] Dan 1: because I decided you. wouldn't explain it good enough.
[00:36:20] Tilly: I want to explain it the other way you want me to.
[00:36:22] Dan 1: Okay,
[00:36:22] Dan 1: I'm listening. So, what's the name of this fire? I don't
[00:36:24] Tilly: So I'm not saying I was right, I apologize, I need to be better. Basically, We built a really small downstairs toilet, which is in a little cupboard, and so it's quite pokey, and so I'll go for a wee, and I'll go to, you know, wipe up the toilet paper afterwards, and sort of put it in the
[00:36:38] Tilly: in the toilet behind me.
[00:36:40] Tilly: But. When I reach shit heavy coordination, and I don't check back to the edge, I just sort of flush the toilet And walk out because sometimes I don't get the toilet.
[00:36:48] Tilly: paper
[00:36:48] Tilly: in and So it's either on the rim or it falls down the side and I apologize I know it's not
[00:36:53] Dan 1: and I've bought it multiple times and there's still fucking piss covered toilet
[00:36:57] Tilly: You've brought it up no no no
[00:37:00] Tilly: no, no, no you brought it up to, maybe three times in this past week In which case since then I have been checking. So No, I think you said it in your head a lot of
[00:37:09] Dan 1: No, no, no, no, no. So that, so I,
[00:37:12] Dan 1: I, brought it up on the Thursday. The first photo was on the Friday. I then brought it up on the Saturday. the next photo was after
[00:37:19] Tilly: a Saturday. You're
[00:37:21] Dan 1: You just fucking wipe your vag And then just sling it? back and walk
[00:37:25] Tilly: it back.
[00:37:26] Dan 1: fucking throw it.
[00:37:27] Tilly: throw
[00:37:28] Dan 1: throw it through your legs and
[00:37:29] Dan 1: wander
[00:37:30] Tilly: wander off. Why don't You just You can see.
[00:37:34] Dan 1: get that luxury. Why don't you just turn around and drop it
[00:37:39] Dan 1: in? You can spin. You can look over your fucking shoulder, can't you.
[00:37:44] Tilly: got some neck mobility. Yeah.
[00:37:45] Dan 1: No? You lost all neck mobility. Has that
[00:37:47] Dan 1: gone with
[00:37:47] Dan 1: breastfeeding too? No.
[00:37:49] Dan 1: Okay.
[00:37:50] Dan 1: Why did you
[00:37:51] Tilly: where they'd come from. I
[00:37:52] Dan 1: wondering where
[00:37:53] Tilly: toilet paper. I will happily take this?
[00:37:55] Tilly: beef. Why haven't you cleaned up?
[00:37:56] Tilly: Why haven't you stopped?
[00:37:58] Dan 1: I
[00:37:58] Dan 1: kept
[00:37:58] Dan 1: finding soggy pieces of toilet paper down the back
[00:38:00] Dan 1: of the loo, and I was like
[00:38:02] Dan 1: where the fuck are, where are these from? And then I worked it out
[00:38:05] Tilly: clean up so much of your stuff. I've had to wipe up your shit from actually on the toilet
[00:38:11] Dan 1: actually on the toilet seat. Okay, sorry,
[00:38:13] Dan 1: I do check for that now.
[00:38:15] Dan 1: On
[00:38:15] Tilly: Not on the toilet seat.
[00:38:16] Dan 1: Sometimes, yeah.
[00:38:18] Tilly: And then, the amount of times I have to wipe up your piss all the time. Whenever I clean the toilets, because
[00:38:22] Tilly: I'm the one who cleans the toilets, darling.
[00:38:24] Dan 1: have
[00:38:24] Dan 1: explosive
[00:38:25] Tilly: Even though you're meant to do
[00:38:26] Tilly: the downstairs toilet, you don't.
[00:38:28] Dan 1: downstairs
[00:38:29] Tilly: for years,
[00:38:30] Tilly: years, I've been cleaning up your piss and shit.
[00:38:34] Dan 1: piss and shit. Now
[00:38:35] Dan 1: this is slightly hypocritical. So get
[00:38:38] Tilly: Thank you very much. I will absolutely try, Yes, correct.
[00:38:42] Dan 1: yes,
[00:38:43] Dan 1: correct. But
[00:38:44] Tilly: someone hasn't been cleaning and shit for a long time.
[00:38:47] Dan 1: Zoe's finding this funny. I started cleaning
[00:38:49] Tilly: how long have we lived together?
[00:38:50] Tilly: Let's see, 2017.
[00:38:52] Tilly: So, seven years. Seven years.
[00:38:55] Dan 1: seat.
[00:38:55] Dan 1: I have been doing it a lot better in the last few years. Between the toilet brush and me.
[00:39:00] Tilly: you ever lift up the toilet seat and actually clean the actual underneath of the toilet seat. Do you know how much that gets splashed of your piss and shit?
[00:39:06] Dan 1: Oh, a little bit of vomit.
[00:39:07] Dan 1: Fuck it, just wipe it on your leg.
[00:39:12] Tilly: So,
[00:39:12] Dan 1: just doing a thing of just spitting it out now.
[00:39:15] Dan 1: Delayed spit out.
[00:39:17] Tilly: you. Yeah, I did. Knocked
[00:39:18] Dan 1: Fair one, fair.
[00:39:19] Tilly: I have. Injustice. It's
[00:39:20] Dan 1: Yeah, I don't, I don't
[00:39:22] Tilly: just, anyone who goes to the toilet, it just, it
[00:39:25] Dan 1: been jousted,
[00:39:26] Tilly: it does build up, it
[00:39:27] Dan 1: yeah, I've got an explosive anus, and so. It's
[00:39:30] Tilly: shit from everyone. You do have a particularly explosive anus. Um, and so
[00:39:34] Tilly: yeah, I
[00:39:34] Tilly: mean I've had to literally scrub off dried poo and shit Sometimes, and I don't know how you've managed this, but it's been a lot of complications. Even on the outside of the toilet, like, it's in like
[00:39:46] Dan 1: sometimes, and I don't know how to manage this, but it's in the wrong place. It's not
[00:39:51] Dan 1: the outside of the
[00:39:52] Tilly: below the toilet bowl. okay
[00:39:54] Tilly: it's come through the little gap. underneath.
[00:39:56] Dan 1: It's in the front? Yeah. Below, oh.
[00:40:01] Tilly: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:40:02] Dan 1: Okay,
[00:40:03] Dan 1: that is very
[00:40:03] Dan 1: impressive.
[00:40:04] Dan 1: And you you won't ever turn into
[00:40:07] Tilly: you don't ever clean toilets.
[00:40:08] Dan 1: use the
[00:40:09] Dan 1: brush. I
[00:40:12] Tilly: I mean, like a proper clean toilet, not just
[00:40:14] Dan 1: okay, I,
[00:40:15] Tilly: just what everyone has to do
[00:40:16] Dan 1: did the downstairs one, didn't I
[00:40:18] Tilly: You think you do that once?
[00:40:20] Dan 1: I've done it twice? thank you.
[00:40:21] Tilly: sometimes I will just do
[00:40:23] Dan 1: The other week, you just asked me, Shall I do It
[00:40:25] Dan 1: And I got time, but
[00:40:26] Dan 1: otherwise I'll do It
[00:40:28] Dan 1: Oh yeah, I think I will
[00:40:30] Tilly: I just
[00:40:30] Tilly: do it.
[00:40:30] Tilly: sometimes because I love you and you try
[00:40:32] Dan 1: you're tired, But you're
[00:40:34] Tilly: particularly well. I haven't done that. I mean, I
[00:40:37] Dan 1: I haven't done very well this week with my
[00:40:38] Dan 1: cleaning. I haven't either.
[00:40:40] Tilly: not been a good week for
[00:40:41] Tilly: either of us in the cleaning, so. Still on that, though. Scorched
[00:40:43] Dan 1: So on that note, now that we've had our little, our little row, and we've leveled, uh, we've scorched earth, shall we get on to
[00:40:50] Dan 1: Gottman trying to build back up the relationship?
[00:40:52] Dan 1: Yeah,
[00:40:53] Tilly: Or do you want scratch out? Which one ties in
[00:40:55] Dan 1: Let's go with, yeah, who knows?
[00:40:57] Dan 1: Let's go
[00:40:58] Dan 1: with love maps.
[00:41:00] Tilly: If
[00:41:00] Tilly: you had to, had to move, where would your partner like to
[00:41:03] Tilly: live?
[00:41:04] Dan 1: Oh, okay.
[00:41:05] Tilly: There's actually quite a
[00:41:06] Tilly: lot this weekend, uh, ideal future life. I
[00:41:12] Dan 1: actually quite difficult, Because
[00:41:15] Dan 1: it depends what you mean,
[00:41:18] Dan 1: like, it depends what you want out of it. Uh. I
[00:41:21] Dan 1: think you'd quite like, to move to Australia because of the food scene to some degree there are some areas that there's a lot of
[00:41:27] Dan 1: It's a lot of experimental food. That's more of if you were to create like restaurants and stuff. But farming, you want to get, you want to, we want to,
[00:41:37] Dan 1: we're intrigued by the, the farming life
[00:41:41] Tilly: it. And I know, I like, I'm not, and I know people say, Oh, you're a man who says Farming? I'm fully aware.
[00:41:45] Dan 1: shit's gonna work, it's
[00:41:46] Dan 1: a hard craft.
[00:41:47] Tilly: is a fucking shit ton of work. It's hard graft. And You don't get much reward monetary wise.
[00:41:52] Dan 1: I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm
[00:41:55] Tilly: but It's the kind of graft that actually, I really enjoy
[00:41:59] Dan 1: it.
[00:41:59] Dan 1: Yeah. Like I like
[00:42:01] Tilly: Like I I like hard physical labor. So
[00:42:04] Tilly: I think it's It depends if, yeah,
[00:42:06] Dan 1: I think you'd want to move to live on a farm,
[00:42:09] Dan 1: but I don't know where that is
[00:42:11] Tilly: everyone would be
[00:42:12] Dan 1: where we could afford
[00:42:13] Tilly: Australia, but Okay, well you
[00:42:15] Dan 1: So it's quite an odd one, because if you're Just thinking, like a few years ago when you were thinking it was purely food, you were intrigued by Australia because of
[00:42:22] Dan 1: the fusion food scene. okay! well you? talked quite a bit about the fusion food scene there.
[00:42:29] Dan 1: For a while. So I
[00:42:30] Dan 1: assumed that that meant I think I'm intrigued by the food in Australia.
[00:42:34] Tilly: because I think they've got amazing produce. because They can make so much of the produce. Like, in
[00:42:39] Tilly: Australia.
[00:42:39] Tilly: because it has such a varied
[00:42:41] Dan 1: climate. It's fucking huge, so it still has to fly really far.
[00:42:45] Dan 1: Yeah. Like, we can make the same
[00:42:47] Dan 1: produce across the whole of Europe. Surely. Like, if you think about
[00:42:51] Dan 1: the climbs of the south of Europe versus the
[00:42:53] Tilly: Yeah, probably.
[00:42:54] Dan 1: it's smaller.
[00:42:55] Tilly: Yeah, but it's different. People see it different when it's like from their own country. There's
[00:42:59] Tilly: just different ethos around it. And I think, I feel like Australia with their food system, is probably kind of like where the UK will be in like another ten years or something.
[00:43:06] Dan 1: something. Um,
[00:43:07] Tilly: But also what I don't like is it is slightly more
[00:43:09] Tilly: Americanised. Which I'm like meh. Not by the way.
[00:43:11] Tilly: But yeah, you know, it intrigues me, but I don't think I'd want to live there. I think I'd like to visit. it, I wouldn't mind doing an extended visit, but I don't think I'd want to live there.
[00:43:20] Dan 1: but Where would you, want?
[00:43:21] Dan 1: to live for your farm? Because probably you'd still want to live roughly
[00:43:24] Dan 1: around where we are now, but in a farm. Which isn't feasible.
[00:43:29] Tilly: Yeah, I mean,
[00:43:30] Tilly: I would
[00:43:30] Tilly: like to be near my
[00:43:31] Tilly: family still.
[00:43:32] Dan 1: my farm
[00:43:32] Tilly: is there to be slightly near to the sea? That'd be nice.
[00:43:35] Tilly: in an ideal world. Dorset?
[00:43:37] Dan 1: Not like there to our family, but sure. so
[00:43:40] Tilly: No, it's nice, and
[00:43:41] Tilly: there's sea in the Dorset.
[00:43:43] Tilly: There's sea in the Dorset. There's sea in the Dorset. There's sea
[00:43:46] Dan 1: the Dorset. It's
[00:43:47] Tilly: Dorset! But I would quite like
[00:43:49] Tilly: yeah, farming. farm life, little, Well, it's not just like a farm. We want to have We
[00:43:54] Tilly: basically want
[00:43:54] Tilly: to
[00:43:54] Tilly: do the
[00:43:54] Tilly: bougie middle class thing.
[00:43:56] Tilly: and have,
[00:43:57] Dan 1: I was
[00:43:58] Tilly: I just want to do like, rare breed pigs.
[00:44:00] Dan 1: you want to do mushrooms
[00:44:02] Tilly: So we do pigs,
[00:44:03] Dan 1: shit. Yeah.
[00:44:04] Tilly: and you, want to do mushrooms
[00:44:05] Tilly: out of
[00:44:05] Tilly: the shit.
[00:44:05] Dan 1: cakes, don't it? Yeah. you
[00:44:07] Tilly: And then chickens go quite well with pigs, don't they? So we'll get some chooks in there as
[00:44:11] Tilly: well.
[00:44:12] Dan 1: fine, she's entertained, so.
[00:44:13] Dan 1: And then.
[00:44:14] Tilly: Is that really helping the audio?
[00:44:14] Dan 1: than watch other crappy clips, so either way.
[00:44:17] Dan 1: It would be great, because I'd
[00:44:19] Tilly: And then, It
[00:44:20] Dan 1: The Boots of Widow.
[00:44:23] Tilly: would be great to like, do something like, like a cookery school with it or something. Or like a food experience or something like that. Enjoy that sort of stuff. But I guess, where would you like to live?
[00:44:34] Dan 1: well, you're meant to answer me.
[00:44:35] Tilly: I know, I'm thinking. Um, well you also obviously like the farm, like that's a joint dream. It's a joint dream. And then elsewhere, I mean, you're
[00:44:44] Dan 1: then elsewhere, I
[00:44:45] Tilly: interested in a few, like, are you interested in Canada?
[00:44:48] Dan 1: Canada? Yeah.
[00:44:48] Dan 1: Because
[00:44:49] Tilly: Because
[00:44:49] Tilly: of like, you like to do like skiing, like, all the outdoor sports you could do there
[00:44:52] Dan 1: there, basically. Yeah, yeah. I think
[00:44:54] Tilly: I think part of you would like, to go back to Africa.
[00:44:56] Dan 1: speaking of which, I've got something fun we can do that I'll discuss afterwards.
[00:45:00] Tilly: Okay.
[00:45:01] Dan 1: You're okay! You're okay!
[00:45:03] Dan 1: aren't you Little paralyzed rescue girl! But otherwise, I don't know,
[00:45:07] Tilly: you? Little paradise rescue girl.
[00:45:13] Dan 1: lives. Yeah. Does well.
[00:45:15] Tilly: Yeah
[00:45:19] Dan 1: children? Fucking loves it don't you
[00:45:21] Dan 1: Fucking say this.
[00:45:23] Tilly: am. I don't think your kids should ever fear you. I
[00:45:31] Dan 1: I heard it being used as a loose
[00:45:32] Dan 1: threat in Lidl the other day.
[00:45:34] Dan 1: And I was like, I don't think you're gonna do that. It was the grandma that she went, I Do you want me to hit your bottom? And I was like, this is an interesting, it's very much a threat.
[00:45:44] Dan 1: It's not even like, it's like,
[00:45:46] Tilly: that what you, want?
[00:45:47] Dan 1: do you want that? What, you're going down that
[00:45:50] Tilly: that road? There's our
[00:45:50] Dan 1: now?
[00:45:50] Tilly: clickbait. Do you
[00:45:52] Dan 1: the hook. Do you want me to hit your bottom?
[00:45:55] Tilly: your bottom?
[00:45:56] Dan 1: you're right.
[00:45:56] Tilly: I am absolutely against.
[00:45:58] Dan 1: good. So am I. I think, I.
[00:46:00] Tilly: I think, I
[00:46:01] Tilly: think, Physicality is a
[00:46:03] Dan 1: think, I think, I think physicality is, is a method of getting attention, but it doesn't need to hurt.
[00:46:14] Dan 1: You can.
[00:46:16] Dan 1: Grab hold of someone just so they are aware like
[00:46:19] Tilly: I think if they're doing something dangerous and you need to grab them, and you grab them, like, if you
[00:46:23] Dan 1: that if someone's like if they're doing something that's incredibly immersive Which is most things in this world now, because everything wants to be as immersive as possible.
[00:46:33] Dan 1: Sometimes, you just need to be like,
[00:46:35] Tilly: not saying not touch, but
[00:46:37] Dan 1: touch someone, because that's the only thing No, no, I'm not saying not touch, but I mean like, you can, there's lots of noises going on. There's very few things that are actually touching you, do you know what
[00:46:48] Dan 1: I mean,
[00:46:48] Dan 1: So if you just kind of Grab your child's shoulder.
[00:46:51] Dan 1: They're very quickly. Oh, there's something else going on than all the
[00:46:54] Tilly: I have no
[00:46:55] Dan 1: No, I know. I'm just saying that I agree with physical touch as a form of getting awareness
[00:47:03] Tilly: Yeah, I just don't think it should be just like, teaching.
[00:47:06] Dan 1: No, I
[00:47:07] Tilly: No.
[00:47:09] Dan 1: Think it can it can be helpful to grab attention if if a child's overstimulated doing something dangerous or ignoring you Like just sort of grabbing them so they pay attention to you.
[00:47:18] Tilly: Okay, so. Go on then, skiddly op bop bop. Shhh!
[00:47:22] Dan 1: But yeah. Okay, so go on then. Skid
[00:47:24] Tilly: trying to placate, So
[00:47:28] Dan 1: Woo. Go. So,
[00:47:31] Tilly: So not much has still worked, just obviously she's been constipated, and so To get some of the poos out we've had to do
[00:47:36] Tilly: a lot of sort of like, support work, like cycling her legs, rubbing her tummies, and then while we do that it sort of starts to like, miss the whippy out, isn't it?
[00:47:43] Dan 1: Yeah.
[00:47:44] Tilly: Yeah.
[00:47:44] Tilly: BLEEEHHBLBLEHHBLEHHHH
[00:47:45] Dan 1: I say it looks bit like one of those indoor fireworks you, your
[00:47:48] Tilly: Yeah, we love indoor fireworks. If anyone's had part of, this part of their childhood.
[00:47:52] Tilly: then you'll feel me.
[00:47:53] Dan 1: Dunno if there is anyone else.
[00:47:54] Dan 1: Love.
[00:47:55] Tilly: It's a very big deal in my family, and every time we have like a partner, we're like, oh my god guys. Indoor fireworks and we really big it
[00:48:00] Tilly: up and then you see them and, You're super disappointed.
[00:48:03] Dan 1: Yeah.
[00:48:03] Tilly: They're very anti climatic, but that's kind of why we love them. There's one called like Black Samba or something.
[00:48:08] Dan 1: it's like
[00:48:09] Tilly: And It's like a little thing, it's like puffs and it's
[00:48:11] Tilly: like, rows and there's like rows like black turd. And it's kind of just like, I've heard poos aren't black. But it kind of
[00:48:18] Dan 1: We got pretty close this week.
[00:48:20] Dan 1: They were very dark, greeny brown.
[00:48:23] Tilly: But yeah, so she's had some interesting poos and fed sort of like, it has to come out in stages, so we do like a little rub, does a poo, little rub, a little cycle, another poo, and
[00:48:30] Dan 1: And you'll be there live action
[00:48:32] Dan 1: with the poo
[00:48:33] Tilly: then I had to hold her hand, like You were cycling, I was holding her hand, she was crying.
[00:48:36] Dan 1: She was really straining. It was like she was giving birth to her
[00:48:40] Tilly: was like, is this my future when she has a daughter?
[00:48:42] Tilly: Like,
[00:48:42] Dan 1: I was there holding her legs up. She was being like, come on, you
[00:48:47] Dan 1: can do
[00:48:47] Tilly: need to get, like, poo stirrups. That she can,
[00:48:50] Dan 1: You were there. She was, she actually reached to hold your hand, which was the cute but also weird thing.
[00:48:55] Tilly: she started doing that, hasn't she? She started reaching for us when she wants, and she's feeling needy. So she, like, when we were at the feeding class, actually, she kept being, like, looking back and be like, touching me and be like, okay, mum's there. Anyway, let's sign off. because she's had enough.
[00:49:08] Dan 1: but yeah, it was quite funny 'cause as she'd do a little bit of poo, you'd open the nappy and then you'd see it start coming. And so you'd be there cycling her legs, and then it would start, yeah, reeling out.
[00:49:18] Tilly: you
[00:49:18] Dan 1: You'd then stop, you'd do it a bit more, and then she'd strain really hard again, her eyes look like they're gonna pop, she'd go really red, and then again, another spiral would come out.
[00:49:27] Dan 1: So yeah, we're hoping that she gets back to just doing normal
[00:49:29] Tilly: I think also, but remember,
[00:49:31] Dan 1: I remember,
[00:49:32] Tilly: she's never processed solids before,
[00:49:35] Dan 1: if it
[00:49:35] Tilly: so even if it is all like, fibrous and stuff, her, her, her intestines still have to get used to It they're a
[00:49:41] Tilly: muscle.
[00:49:41] Dan 1: muscle. Yeah. Still
[00:49:42] Dan 1: have to
[00:49:42] Tilly: I still have to learn how to squish it all through, so, you know, she's just Learning.
[00:49:47] Dan 1: Yep.
[00:49:48] Tilly: Anyway, on that
[00:49:50] Tilly: delightful conversation, we will sign off because I've perked up with my caffeine but I can feel it wearing off already.
[00:49:55] Dan 1: And I can feel, and baby's definitely gondoed.
[00:49:58] Tilly: Yeah, I think,
[00:49:59] Tilly: she's probably done enough
[00:50:01] Dan 1: ciao ciao, bye bye!
[00:50:03] Hi, my lovelies. Thank you for listening. Can you please like review and subscribe to our podcast?
[00:50:07]