And you drink Coke in, like, this, like.

First of all, I don't drink this diet.

It's got 10 calories.

Go ahead and read it.

It's got 10 calories in the dinner.

I'm not worried about what the calories.

You are.

What's in it, bro, that you can't pronounce.

Here we go.

L tartarate, taurine, maltorite.

It's not taurine.

It's tartarate.

Okay, first of all, what is this fucking sucralose?

You don't know what the that is?

Alpha glyglycerol, phosphorol, chlorine.

Those are all sugar substitutes.

It's all terrible.

Bro, you shouldn't be putting any of this in your body.

Huh?

You're gonna tell me you're wearing cotton underwear, right?

Instead of headphones?

What?

No.

No.

Okay.

Don't worry about it.

Sorry about that.

Oh, you guys won't be able to hear us.

No, no, Regil has one pair.

Oh, well, you only have.

Normally you have one operator.

Now we got two.

Yeah, I mean, it's kind of cool that you have two.

One of them's Afghan.

Other ones, it's a multicultural club there.

I figured we cover the entire Southeast Asia.

Yeah, you guys were the DEI hires.

They don't know what di is.

Yeah, they do.

No, they don't.

Did you hear me?

Did you guys hear me?

Yeah, I can hear you.

He can hear you.

Did.

Did.

Did.

Did you hear that?

You are the DEI hire.

The Fijian.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

All right, we got.

Okay, maybe it just wasn't funny.

I don't want to be the guy.

Yeah, but you are correct.

He's a lighter shader.

Yeah, there's a lot of brown in this room right now between the wall and that's good.

So that's good.

Solid.

You don't even know how we start the show because you never listen to it.

Right?

Well, I almost spit that out.

You guy, wait till I drink and then say, you don't even know what we're doing.

For all you know, we could be starting now.

We can be starting 10 minutes.

I have no idea.

Listen, for all I know, this could be a porn fucking operation.

And I have no idea how this starts.

Yeah, that's terrible.

You're supposed to be a friend of mine, you know, so I.

This is probably good to talk about.

You know, how social media works.

Like, you like.

You like and subscribe stuff.

Like people.

People go, oh, wow.

Farshot likes this because he liked and.

Subscribed in in my Defense.

I like and comment on all your.

So don't give me that.

That's also not true.

I.

That is wildly untrue.

Go ahead.

Look, I, I have.

I keep receipts.

I screenshot every time you like something.

So I don't like.

And, and, and, and.

And screenshot any of your.

I don't believe so.

You might, you might.

You might do that yourself.

The fact that you started with I don't believe so means that I.

100%.

100%.

Okay, let's start the basics.

Do you have a YouTube account?

Yes.

Do you?

But I don't use it.

Oh, that's convenient.

That's a convenient narrative.

Oh, wow, look, I pull up one and there's my like and.

Okay.

It's very weird.

I guess maybe I do.

Okay, just to be clear.

And I understand there's some cultural differences here.

Yeah, it's super culturally different.

You do understand the podcast is not the social media clips that you watch, right?

I watch all of your podcasts, Chris.

On the 32nd.

Every time you post 30 seconds, I watch 30 seconds.

So you kind of embarrassed me earlier and I was gonna bring it to your attention, but I figured we'd wait till the kit.

Until the mic's.

Pretty good at that.

Yeah, it was really good.

I told the guys that you were bringing the Ferrari today, and we didn't hear you pull up.

So now I know.

You really drive a Honda badge as a Ferrari.

It's actually a Lexus.

That makes sense.

But I was buying a BMW because I'm pulling Persian, but they didn't give it to me.

I believe the proper term is Iranian.

No, we're still part of the Persian empire.

Our dei higher over here will check it for us.

Can you fact check that, please?

Yeah, he can actually.

He'll bring it up on the screen.

BMW.

The white BMW?

No, we're Persian, bro.

It's black, black and more black.

No, it goes in cycles.

It was white for a while because all the Persians want to be different.

So, like.

No, no, no.

I got the white one.

I don't think I've ever met a Persian guy with a white BMW.

I had one.

I had a white 7 Series.

Okay, you're.

You're kind of.

Go ahead.

The mic's hot.

The mic's on and these cameras are rolling.

I gotta be very careful what I say.

I'm gonna create a heavy problem for myself that I'm have to deal with later.

So you were gonna say I was half Caucasian, right?

Yeah.

You were gonna say half.

Yeah.

Caucasian.

Correct.

For the record, we're fact checking everything.

So being as how this is the first time actually listening to the show, like, how do you feel about it?

You know, what we talk about normally, you know, about like, business and finance.

Yeah.

I know that you guys always talk about business and finance, but I've never.

Actually, there's one that you had recently that I watched, like a few clips on.

I didn't watch the whole thing, but you had a guy that does, like, car things or something, and I saw a couple of the clips on that.

So.

Yeah, one of your friends.

I think it was cool.

I mean, again, I didn't watch the whole thing.

I just watched, like, clips of it and it was cool, but obviously, like, whatever you want to talk about.

He's very polarizing, that guy.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, teach people to buy, you know, exotic cars and make money on them.

Yeah.

That pisses some people off.

I think it's great.

Especially because he does the massive ego on his shoulder.

Yeah.

I'll tell you to his face, like, he'll tell you straight up, like, hey, look, man, like, you know, I'm good.

At what I do.

Yeah.

I'm kind of an asshole.

Yeah.

I'm good at what I do, so.

But we had him in here before you, so we can get the lighting perfect so that we can capture all the essence that is your sexiness.

Got it.

I thought the lighting was just for you, but I guess maybe it is.

For it does highlight the beard shape, which you, you know, you kind of have too.

You know, you did a great job building this, by the way.

Really?

I don't.

I don't think anybody on the.

On the actual watching the podcast knows, like, what you went through to do this, but if they did, you went through a lot of shit to build this, and it's sick.

You did a great job.

It's really cool.

I swear to God.

Even in person, I'm like, kind of looking at stuff and I'm like, why is the attention to detail?

Like, I wouldn't hire you, but, like, I think you did a great job.

Totally kidding.

I would definitely hire you, I think, you know, if my brother wasn't a contractor, I'd hire you for sure.

You had the recording studio in your house, right?

I did, I did.

I saw a picture of it.

It was just like.

Yeah, yeah.

So the house in la, just to be clear, you were telling me not to do what I'm doing here because I was overbuilding it.

Yeah.

And then you sent me a picture.

You sent my Wife.

A picture of your recording studio.

No, I should get it.

Which is at your house.

I'm like, this son of a.

I.

Can'T say not to do stuff when you got that in your house.

Okay, so in my defense, I didn't build the recording studio to do a podcast.

I was in music, and I was making music in the.

In.

In this recording studio.

So, like, there was a.

There was a reason for it.

Okay, so just to be clear, there's a reason for you to have that in your house, but me building this was overkill.

It just seems a little hypocritical.

That's all I'm saying.

You gotta leave to come here.

I would, like, you know, I would wake up in the morning, you know, do some work, and then, like, you know, get in the studio, maybe, you know, do something and then, like, you know, go back, do some work.

It was more convenient.

This is, like, outside of your home.

You built something outside your home.

And again, I wasn't saying don't do it.

I didn't know how all in you were going to go as far as when you were building this podcast.

Like, not.

Not just the pod.

I mean, I knew you.

You were.

You were all in on the podcast.

I didn't know how all in you were on.

On building this.

All I knew was you were like, day by day, you were, like, posting, like, updates of, like, where you're doing and where you're at with it.

And as you were going, I was like, oh, this what we're going on.

Like, it was like, you know, I was like, okay, so he's doing this.

I'm like, okay, that's live.

And then, like, when the walls were done, I was like, oh, the walls look great.

And then you added these wood things, and I'm like, jesus Christ, these are even better.

Like, this is so sick.

But I didn't know where.

And you're like.

You would be like, oh, yeah, you guys can't see it now, but when it's done, it's going to look really good.

My dad thought I was insane because my dad.

But I has an office on the hall, and he would come down.

Dad has an office down the hall.

Like, literally down the hall.

Is he here?

I don't know.

Say, did you see him earlier?

Jill, do you see him?

No.

Okay, yeah, we should have texted him.

No, he might walk in.

If you see, like, a little chubby bald dude, looks like Danny DeVito, roll in, please.

If he walks in, I want him to sit with us.

He does, right Next to me.

He came in during the last show that we did.

I will do the whole podcast in Farsi.

Yeah.

And I will.

Me and him will hit it off, bro.

And when I talk Farsi, it's funny because people think I don't speak English.

I didn't know you spoke English until recently.

It was a new discovery for me.

I was very shocked.

It's funny.

I use that joke on my wife all the time.

I'm always like, you know, she's like, yeah, you know, Tagalog.

She's Filipino.

She's like, tagalog is my second language.

I'm like, you don't even have a first language.

English is not your first language.

Tagalog isn't your first language.

Have you ever been to the Philippines?

Yes, last year.

So I went with my wife.

We went to Boracay.

We went for like a wedding.

I should probably point out that everybody who's allowed to have headphones on the show now has to be married to a Filipino.

So, Saeed, you get no headphones.

That's funny.

But so we went to the Boracay, like the wedding.

Really beautiful, right?

Yeah.

And besides the monkey in our hotel room situation that resulted, one of the things I realized.

Sorry, did you just say the monkey in your hotel room?

Yeah.

You just like glanced over it as if, like, we don't want to know why there was a monkey.

Monkey in your hotel room.

So we went to the Philippines.

Right.

It's beautiful.

Like, you go like on this like, boat ride to that, to the hotel.

And you like pull up on it like something got right out of White Lotus.

And we have like this jungle cabana, two story thing where downstairs is like this living area.

Right.

And upstairs is your bedroom.

Okay.

And.

But they're not connected.

Go outside the stairs to go up to the bedroom at night.

But, you know, the weather's always nice.

Whatever.

Yeah.

Okay, so we get there and we're there a couple days early for this wedding because we wanted to explore my wife and I was, you know, pre kid.

Yeah.

And the guy, we have a butler that gives you a little mobile phone.

And the butler.

And he's like, you know, and I, I don't understand the Filipino culture to know what sarcasm looks like.

So.

So he's like, just remember to close the doors.

You don't want the monkeys to get in here.

I'm like, ah, monkeys.

You know, like, I thought that was like, you know, like Filipino sarcasm.

So we go out for the day.

We're, you know, at the water, you Know, having a good time.

We meet some family members.

Didn't close.

I didn't close the other door, right?

Because it was open when we got there.

Like, you know what I mean?

I thought it was, like, bugs, right?

This dude was, like, throwing you a joke.

So, like, we go inside, and Joanna goes upstairs to take a shower because we have, like, a dinner to go to.

And I walk downstairs, and I walk in.

I'm gonna watch some, like, sports or something.

And there's a monkey eating from the fruit.

The bowl of fruit in front of the tv, which we left on.

And I'm like.

So I do the reasonable thing.

I'm like, babe, you should come down.

Babe.

My wife walks in, walks right back out.

I'm not dealing with this.

She wanted no part of the.

Oh, yeah.

She's like, no way.

I close the door and I call the guy on the phone.

I'm like, hey, man, you know that monkey you were talking about?

And he's like, ye.

That.

He's like, he's here.

Okay.

So they came in.

They came in.

They got, like.

They got rid of him.

They close the door.

He's like, I told you.

I'm like, I didn't know you were being serious about the monkeys.

So question.

Because I just.

I've always wondered, how do they get, like.

What do they like, put, like, a bag on his head or, like.

Like, how do they just, like, shoo him out?

Like, they open the door and, like.

Like.

Like a fly.

Like, kind of, like, wave air till he goes that direction.

Like, how do you.

I think they took a banana, threw it out the window, and he chased it and closed the window.

No, but really, how did they do it?

Showed up with a banana.

That's all.

I.

He showed the banana.

It was a euphemism.

No, I thought it was a euphemism, like, oh, the monkey flies.

I was so curious.

Like, so he.

They.

They.

I guess they baited him with them with the banana.

Like, they just walk out, came in.

With a couple bananas.

Okay.

I left the room because I don't want to be around whatever.

You left?

Yeah, because it was downstairs.

We were getting ready to go out for dinner, so I went upstairs.

You.

You weren't curious to see how he gets rid of the monkey?

Not really.

I feel like plausible deniability is a good thing here.

No, like, not at all.

This is like, one of those ones, like, how.

Like, raise your hand if you've ever been in a situation where you've been in a room with a monkey and you need to get rid of it like it's never happened.

Like, there's nobody.

Like, you're, like, part of the.

You know, like, they talk about, like, men.

There's, like, all the 1% of the 1%.

Like, if you want.

Women are like, oh, I want a guy that's over six foot.

And I'm like, okay.

And like, anyone's a six pack.

And I wanted to make over, like, you know, half a million dollars a year.

And I'm like, you want the 1% of the 1%?

You are my friend.

Not only the 1% of the 1%.

You like the 1% of that 1% had a monkey in the room.

There's nobody that's ever had that experience.

Actually, that's not true.

It kind of runs in the family.

My mom had a pet monkey growing up named Oliver.

That's right.

Yeah.

You want to unpack that one?

In Oklahoma, of all places.

Your mom.

How do you.

How do you get there?

Hold on.

Yeah, this is a real thing.

Used to poop in his hand and throw it at people when it walked by because it was in a cage.

Time out flag.

No, this is real.

Walk.

Walk me through it, Chris.

Your mom owned a pet monkey.

So my mom grew up in a small town in the Midwest called Enid, Oklahoma.

It's where I was born, believe it or not.

Okay, so you want to get jokes now or you want to wait till later?

I was going to say something when I was like, when we're talking about.

Your mom, it was the son she always wanted.

Yeah, it's the monkey.

Right.

Married a Middle Eastern guy, had a very hairy son.

It's all full circle, circle of life.

Okay, I can't crack jokes when he's talking about his mama.

Like, that's one.

That's.

That's the line.

You can't.

Yeah, I got.

I got to.

When he talks about his mom, I got to, you know, I got to respect the mother, you know, respect Mommy.

Mommy's the best I've got.

I got smack when I was.

And unlike you, my mom does listen to the podcast, so.

You mean, you know, there's loyalty there.

So your mom had you and then.

Yeah, so she.

She had a monkey named Oliver growing up, and there was a little, like, spider monkey that would literally poop in its hand and, like, throw poop when it got angry.

Wait, so that's where he got that from?

Yeah.

Question.

How do you like.

How do you like.

How do you buy a monkey?

I think there was some, like, carnival.

That's Such a stupid question.

Like, how do you know?

Keep in mind, it's a different period of time.

I think there's, like, a carnival circus that went out of business, and, like, somebody had, like, the opportunity to adopt the monkey, and they had.

But they got, like, licenses.

Like, you can't just like, if.

If, like this.

If circus, like, circus down the road is, like, getting rid of their, like, zoo animals.

You can't be like, oh, you know what?

I'll take your tiger.

Like, it doesn't.

First of all, have you been to Vegas?

They have licenses, and that's.

Nobody gets a license.

You think Mike Tyson went out and got a license?

No.

Vegas, it's legal, but I don't think in Oklahoma is it.

Is it legal?

Here you go.

Buying a monkey, a complex and often unethical decision.

Yeah.

That also, by the way, applies to having a son by the name of Chris.

But go ahead.

Monkey can stem from the.

Their intelligence in playful nature, but owning a monkey is a complex undertaking with significant legal, ethical, and practical challenges.

Yeah.

I am seeing all the similarities in Chris's upbringing in his life.

It is unbelievable.

Just by one Google, you had to prepare somehow, right?

Yeah, dude.

And that's how you did it, right?

Apparently, that's how she did it.

Did you ever see the monkey throw?

No, it was dead long before I came around.

But I saw photos of the monkey.

Oh, you never even got to see.

You never even met the monkey?

No, No, I did not.

I'm sorry.

That's disappointing to you.

I had so many questions.

I was like, all the fun out of it, bro.

I was, like, getting ready.

I'm like, yo, I want to know what breakfast was like.

I want to know what lunch was like.

I want to know what dinner was like.

Like, holy.

I'm pretty sure it was all fruit.

Well, that was my other question because I got this whole banana thing.

Like, I know.

I guess monkeys like bananas, but, like, also, like, you've seen a monkey open.

A banana, they open it the other way.

You ever notice that?

No.

You know, we open the stem side.

Yeah.

Monkeys always open from the other side.

Because they hold the stem to eat it like a Popsicle.

And it actually opens easier from.

Oh, my God.

You've been doing it wrong this whole time.

Nature Darwinism brought us there.

What's that guy on Instagram?

He's like, you're telling me for 40 years I've been doing this the wrong way?

I just had that moment in my head.

37 years old.

Yeah.

I feel like Chris knows Too much about monkeys.

Yeah, well, I mean, you're not.

Dude, you know what I've been watching?

I've been watching.

Was it Nature Boys?

That channel, it's fantastic.

Really?

Oh my God.

Stop it.

I.

I don't regill hook him up with Nature Boys YouTube channel.

This dude just announces retirement.

But this guy goes out and literally survives in the jungle.

This like very inconspicuous, Caucasian looking dude.

This is Steve Irwin's son.

Like, do that too.

What's it.

No, no.

This guy makes Steven Irwin's son look like amateur hours.

Okay, well, first of all, hold on, relax.

Don't take it personal.

Like I don't know his son, but like I love Steve Irwin.

I was like, that was my idol.

His son is like, I'm living vicariously, like the Steve Irvin life through his son.

Dude, like, you can't just.

Come on.

Are you serious?

D Outdoor Boys, let me tell you right now.

Unbelievable.

You've seen this guy on social media.

Like you're all.

What's his name?

Huh?

What's his name?

If I knew, I would have said his name.

Wow, we got some audio now.

What was that?

We're Jill over here.

Just pumping audio to the headphones.

Oh, this is.

There we go.

Yeah, that's him.

Outdoor Boys.

This dude literally goes to all these crazy parts of the world and survives on his own with nothing.

Hey everyone, this is going to be my last video for a little while.

You know, I've been making kind of.

Depressing for 11 years now.

First with the Catfishing Carp YouTube channel, then with this, the Outdoor Boys YouTube channel.

And believe it or not, I've made 1,110 videos, dude.

15.8 million subscribers and he's stopping.

Yeah, stop this for joke making because him and he got so popular, him and his family, that when he would go out he would like, everybody would take photos with him and want to like take pictures with him and everything else.

Okay.

And he also helps other people with their channels now, like making their channels.

And he has other like, you know, kind of sub channels in his network that he helps grow up.

So he's like, I'd rather them be famous.

I don't want to.

All the stuff that goes with fame.

Dude, he started with a fishing carp, whatever, salmon.

Did someone tell him that you, you can't really just turn it off?

I don't think anybody did.

Like, he can't just like, you know, that's why basketball players retire and people say to still take pictures with them.

Like Michael Jordan doesn't like, walk around and go, oh, you guys, I'm on the league anymore.

Like.

Like, he's still Michael Jordan, bro.

Like, we're still going to take a photo with you.

Like, it doesn't.

This guy's still going to get stopped.

You know, he's still going to stop, but, you know, like, he's an outdoor guy.

Maybe he'll go out live in the cabin in the woods somewhere.

Listen, 15.8 million subscribers.

You just.

That's.

That's crazy.

I.

I don't know why.

I mean, you build a channel like that and you just.

Like Luke Nichols, ironically, my mom's maiden name.

There's a lot of, like, symmetry going on.

My mom's maiden name is Luke.

No, Nichols.

Oh, you scared the out of me for a quick second.

That kind of family, bro.

Yeah, I was like, what is going on?

This guy knows what he's doing.

He's taking a page out of Floyd Money.

Mayweather retiring and then coming back even stronger.

Oh, is he gonna do that?

I mean, that's the move.

That's the move.

Yo.

What if he did?

Like, this is my last video.

Video gets like, 5 billion views and then, like, next week.

Hey, guys.

That was quick.

I'm back.

What?

That's crazy.

How did you find this guy?

What do you mean?

Dude, he comes up on Tick Tock all the time.

I literally cannot stop watching whenever I saw it.

Yeah, so the first one was filming.

A dance move or something on Tick Tock, and then you just saw his.

Okay, first of all, don't act like you don't have a Tick Tock.

I have a Tick Tock, but I don't really do the dancing thing.

But I.

Oh, I'm sorry.

You just embarrass your wife on TikTok.

100 all the time.

100.

My wife?

First of all, just so we're clear, my wife's Filipino, so, like, she's a very good sport about it.

But, like, that's, like, literally all we do.

Speaking of which, you know, selfish you are.

I didn't finish my Filipino story.

Which one?

The one that.

See, that's the point.

That's the point.

Right, Sorry.

It requires actually listening to Chris to remember where he's at with it.

Please, go ahead.

We were leaving the Philippines in that trip.

Oh, yeah, I saw a Philippine.

A Filipino daytime soap opera.

You know what that's like?

Wait, what?

That's right.

Repeat that one more time.

You saw when we were in the Philippines.

Daytime soap opera.

Yeah.

So we were in the airport.

Our Flight got delayed, so we went to a wine bar.

And on the television, they had a Filipino, like, soap opera thing on television.

Like, you know how we have days of our lives here?

What do you think that's, like, in the Philippines, man.

Very short.

Very petite.

Is what you.

That was a double entendre.

I don't know if you guys got it over there.

You guys both looking at each other like, what do you say?

Is that short?

What do you mean?

He has no idea what we're saying.

So apparently, and this is common, they do a younger demographic.

So, like, the soap opera, like, drama isn't like 30 and 40 year olds.

It's like high school and like, early college age.

Like, people, wow.

Even for adults who watch, like, the soap operas, number one.

Number two, it's in half English and half Tagala.

Oh, so it's like, oh, my God, it's not Tagala.

Okay.

The G.

I'm sorry, I probably said it wrong too, but you just let out a whole G.

This is how you create controversy on shows and get people to comment.

Everybody's going to be like, you're married to a Filipino.

You don't know.

How do you not know that?

What is going on, bro?

Or.

Or I could get the backing of, you know, everybody going like, you know what?

He thinks he's Filipino.

He's not.

He's not part of our culture.

Look at him.

The worst part is we can't say it went over your head.

You're like six five.

How tall are you?

Six' five.

Jesus Christ.

Why are you acting like you don't know me?

Anybody who watches this podcast has no idea how tall you are.

First time I met you in person, I didn't even know it was you.

I was like, who is this, like, gargantuan of a person?

Like, Jesus Christ, why are you not in the NBA?

So I.

First of all, because I suck.

I'm not athletic.

We'll start there.

That is.

He is so full of shit.

Anybody watching this, you should know that this dude is, like, in incredible shape.

And all this bullshit he's spewing is not.

He's in incredible shape.

And when you see his height, you just automatically think, well, wasted talent.

You know what the worst part is?

The worst part is behind glass doors, those stones.

You live in a glass house, my guy.

The worst part about being this age.

I'm gonna be 45 soon, right?

So the worst part of being this age and this height doesn't even look.

45, by the way.

I feel 45.

I feel 55.

I'll go to the gym and I'll have young athletes come up to me and they'll be like, oh, where did you play?

I mean, God damn it.

See, they know.

Frustrating.

I mean, but.

But, like, you could have probably played if you really wanted to.

No, I sucked.

No, I don't think you sucked.

I think you're full of it.

But I think you could have played.

I think you just, you know, had other priorities, which I don't blame you for, because that's kind of like why you are where you are today.

So it's a good thing.

Talking to you on a podcast you never listen to.

Honestly, I think this is, like, the lowest point of the highest point was before me.

Bringing me out.

This is like the downfall.

Having me on a podcast, I'm like, the worst.

The sad part is, not only is it the worst, but you have no idea what we're here to talk about.

I have no idea what we're gonna talk about.

Like, I'm just.

I'm willing to talk about anything, bro.

We're talking about monkeys.

We're like 20 minutes deep, still waiting for the hot hitting questions.

What are we talking about?

He's over here going, like, what the hell are we gonna.

How are we gonna label this episode?

What's really funny is the name of your podcast is the Higher Standard.

Right?

Like, one of my best friends, Adam, for the longest time, his, like, his series on Instagram was the no Standards podcast.

Not podcast.

Sorry, no Standards.

Like, series of videos.

He would make videos about how he had, like, no standards with women.

So, like, it was like, he would record videos of him going on dates with, like, girls.

Like, there was always something crazy, and it was like, it's okay, it's okay.

Like, there's no standards.

Like, it's fine.

It's fine.

Like, and he would always be the.

Now he's kind of done a spin off of that with him and Hannah stocking where, like, you probably.

I don't know if you guys have seen the videos.

Like, Like, Hannah will show up.

And the last one they posted, like, Hannah showed up and she had, like, a chin like, that was like, really, like, Mr.

Incredible.

Like, it was like, obviously makeup added.

And the chin comes out to here, and then Adam comes in and he's got, like, a.

Like a top chin that's, like, higher.

Oh, I saw that when they fit together.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So my idea is, like, he kind of spun off on the.

On the.

On the no Standards.

And.

And your podcast is the higher Standards.

I'm very curious.

You probably never knew the name.

I did know the name.

You did not.

This guy thinks I'm like, the worst friend ever.

I do.

Just because I see all the clips I like and comment on everything.

But because I don't, I haven't seen a foot.

I'm playing footsie with him under the table.

Don't worry.

But because I haven't actually watched a.

Whole two hour when you have no standards part.

Yeah, this is Adam.

This is Adam.

Oh, dude, he's so funny.

Look at him.

Oh, Jesus, he looks so young.

Wow, he does look young.

Oh, my God.

That doesn't even look like him.

Yeah, dude, crazy.

Oh, he's better looking when he was younger.

Shots fired.

Oh, my God, this is so fun.

Funny.

I haven't seen one of these in a while.

This is from 2017.

I didn't realize he's making videos that long.

Jesus.

That legitimately does not.

If I would saw this, I would have not thought it was him.

Oh, there you go.

That looks like him.

Okay.

Yeah, looks better.

The video quality was terrible.

All right, well, there you go, man.

I didn't realize he's making videos for, like, eight years, bro.

I met him, I think, in 2015.

Yeah, 2015 or 2016.

No.

Were you watching videos 26, 2015?

No, we.

We.

We both got invited to, like, a birthday party, and we.

We showed up, and then me and him were, like, the only two not drinking, and, like, his phone was about to die, and he was like, yo, I need a charger.

And I was like, I know what it's like.

Helped him find a charger.

We plugged it into the wall, and he was, like, sitting next to the wall the whole time.

And I was just, like, standing there because I.

I wasn't drinking.

He wasn't drinking.

So it was kind of like we hit it off ever since then.

Good friends.

But he's a good.

Really good dude.

You know, it's weird that you and I are the only guys in the room who don't drink.

You don't drink either.

I forgot about that.

What kind of a friend are you?

No, listen, we've never been anywhere where I've had alcohol with you.

We've.

Obviously, we've only.

I think we've been to, like, one lunch.

In my defense, two.

Okay, guys, can you.

Can you give me, like, a head nod?

Like, I definitely, like, two lunches.

And, like, we've literally cuddled to the gym.

Two years cuddling at the gym is only weird for everybody else.

That's right.

And that's right.

And.

And no, no.

Everybody but you, including me when you say that.

I'm not saying, like, it's.

It's good for me and weird for every.

No, no.

It's weird for Everybody.

But you're 100.

I think it establishes dominance and lets everybody know that we're in a committed relationship.

The all.

The only person that thinks that is you.

The guy.

There's a guy that I think now likes you.

And Have I told you this story?

Oh, God, Here we go, guys.

You ready?

You better buckle up.

I don't know if those chairs have seat belts.

Put them on.

Yeah.

So this is a sad, true story.

There's a guy at the gym who remained nameless, and I don't know his name anyway, despite popular belief.

Freudian slip there, guys.

You heard that?

Yeah.

Like, there's a guy at the gym who will remain nameless, but I don't know his name.

So I don't know how you can allegedly.

You never know this actually happened.

So there's two squat racks in our gym, right?

Both of which face the mirror because, of course, you got to look at yourself while you're squatting, because that's what America does.

And I was waiting for one of the squat racks.

Okay, of course you were.

And I'm looking at the guys in the mirror while they're working out just to seeing if they're done.

I'm just casually glancing over from time to time.

I'm not like, why wouldn't you?

I'm not staring, okay?

My looking is not staring.

But when somebody is squatting and something weird does happen, you do tend to look at and go, what is that?

Right?

When you say you, are you talking about us or just.

I'm saying, hypothetically, just a human.

Is that a question, or are you just saying that you do that?

No, I'm just saying, in general, humans do this.

Okay, got it, got it, got it.

We don't have to agree with.

So one of the two gentlemen in the squat wreck, which I happen to be waiting for, was squatting and happened to be a larger gentleman wearing a very bright neon thong that popped out when he went deep into his squat.

So, of course, I was a bit surprised by said action.

Okay?

So I stared at it for a brief second because I was just trying to visually acclimate to what was in front of me.

When you say I stared at it for a brief second, the idea of you staring at it is a lot longer than a brief second.

I did a double Take.

So it's either you.

Either you looked at it for a brief second.

I did a double.

Or you stared at it for quite a second.

Whatever the timeframe was he in that exact same moment, he happened to look up into the mirror.

This dude was like, oh.

Got super excited.

And ever since then, every single time this guy sees me in the gym, he happens to be working out in and around my proximity.

That same dude is probably like into, you know, Middle Eastern guys over six, like three.

And, you know, Chris just fits the mold.

So you have a.

You have a shot.

You have a shot.

Not over six.

Three, bro.

You could be.

No, I'm not even close.

I'll give you some lifts or something.

I'm barely breaking six feet, bro.

This guy's over six.

Five.

Talking about, I have a shot.

I don't stand a chance.

My guy.

I don't stand a chance.

I think I'm willing to give you the exception and make the introduction.

That's probably the one time I don't need it.

I don't want it.

I think we're okay, you can keep it.

I suppose we should probably talk about you and your background a little bit.

Yeah, I think at this point, people probably logged off and not gonna listen anymore.

But if you're still here, if you're still here, one of those Instagram's really puzzle, like, if.

If you're a male, you know, keep scrolling.

Only females stay and they're like, all the guys stay, you know, like at this point, if you're still here, this.

Is probably a bad time to tell you that our demographic is males 18 to 45.

Oh, great.

Like that guy at the gym.

Yeah, for sure.

He's listening and he's probably singing.

I knew he saw me.

He's thinking, next time I see him, I'm going up.

Yeah, like, he's definitely coming up to you next time.

This is why whenever Joanna's in the gym, I'm all over my wife, dude.

By the way, when Joanna's at the gym, she like, works out hard.

Yeah, I don't think I know a woman that works out harder than your wife.

You're seeing her, like, coming off of not working out for some time.

She works out hard.

She looks bruh.

Yeah, I was like, I'm like, I don't even work out that hard.

I'm like, what the fuck competition are you training for, bro?

She works out hard.

She like, is about to go back to the Philippines and catch that monkey.

She had a.

Like, this girl's training for A damn marathon, bro.

Like acl, mcl tear, man.

Full sports therapy.

And she puts on the headphones.

Kind of like what I'm wearing right now.

No, I bought her those.

Yeah, but like, yeah, she puts them.

On and like, I bought her those.

Get guys like you to stop talking to her.

Zones everybody out and just like, she's in that.

Like, she's there, bro.

I got the bright green ones too, baby.

You like green, right?

Holy.

If I could have had like a, you know, engraved saying, stay away or I'm taken, I would have done that too.

It's funny because my wife goes to the gym and just like showers and goes home.

And so now, like, I'd tell her, I'd be like, hey, dude, like, your friend Joanna is like, at the gym.

Like, why don't you just like, spend.

Like, if she does like an hour workout, do like five minutes.

Just hang out with her for five minutes.

Like, it's all in just five minutes.

Give me five.

She'll like, hey, she worked out with Joanna the other day.

I swear to God, guys, I'm not kidding.

It was seven minutes and like 45 seconds.

And like, she walks up and she's like, are you done?

And I was like, what the fuck happened to you?

I was.

I was working out with Joanna and I looked at Joanna.

I'm like, joanna, what did you guys do?

Joanna's like, oh, we were stretching and I'm like, oh, my God.

Jesus Christ.

She does this whole active, like, stretch.

I won't even do it either.

It's like taxing, bro.

She does this active warm up stretch thing where she's doing like walking lunges.

I get tired.

I won't do it.

And I'm in good shape.

I won't do it.

I took my wife the other day.

I told her.

So my wife, you know, she's Filipino, so she's like naturally skinny.

Wait, she's Filipino and tell the people.

That don't know she's naturally skinny.

You and your boyfriend from the gym?

No, but there's plenty of non naturally skinny Filipinos.

And for all of you out there who were offended by that, I'll give you his email address.

Listen.

My wife.

My wife does like whatever she wants.

Like, eats whatever she wants.

And I'm like, super jealous because I like, look at something, right?

Crazy, right?

Persians were not built like that.

No, we look at something and we.

I could smell rice and gain five pounds, 100 easy.

And five is like, you're not doing it.

Like, it's probably like 10 or 15.

Yeah, but she does whatever she wants and, but she, like, just doesn't work out.

And she just, like, doesn't want to work out.

She's like, no.

So the other day, this is like three weeks ago, I think, and she goes, I told her, hey, you want, you want to go for a walk?

Like, just like a hike, like a walk.

She's like, where?

And I was like, I'll just walk around the block.

Like, we'll just.

Oh, I saw pictures of this.

You're a terrible human being.

Yeah, we went on a walk.

This was not a long walk.

This was like literally maybe two miles, maybe two and a half miles.

But it was just like an up and a down.

Like, it literally was a loop, right?

And we hadn't even gone up.

We had gone like maybe 100ft.

And she goes, hey, there's a park here.

And I'm like, yeah.

And she's like, you don't want to stop at the park.

I'm like, we haven't gone anywhere.

The park is across the street from our house.

Like, let's go in a loop and then we'll come back.

And she's like, okay.

So we started walking again.

And dude, you saw the videos I posted.

She was like a mile behind me.

Like, she just, you know, you can't.

Build a social presence on making fun of your wife, right?

Of course you can.

She's a great, she's honestly, she's a great sport about it, though.

And I always like everybody.

It's funny.

I have friends that'll meet her and be like, dude, you're the best.

Like, I hear, like, I see all of our shots, videos of you and you're so funny.

They'll be telling her that.

She loves it.

Pull up his, pull up his TikTok.

It's Esquire with the S is number five.

And he's got like a multi million view of his wife while she's sleeping passed out in bed with her mouth open.

That is.

I started that trend.

I started that trend.

It makes you a terrible human being.

No, no, no, no, it was good.

It was.

I think this, I think the sound is still on there too.

Married.

So, yeah.

Oh, because.

Oh, the music.

Sometimes they like some of the, some of the videos I made, they take off the, the sound like, I hate.

When they do that.

Oh, this one's funny actually.

This one.

I, I, I, yeah, yeah.

So people, like, people will come up to me and be like, where's your wife's twin sister?

Like, can I talk to Her.

Watch this.

It's funny.

Hey, hey.

It's funny.

I'm just sitting there, you know, relaxing.

Guys, I was a little heavier in this video.

Don't mind me.

You do look a little chunky.

Oh, yeah, bro.

I was like, 275.

Hey.

Hey, babe.

Wait, wait.

Who's that?

That's my twin sister.

Did he say hi?

How good is that, dude?

That's an edit, by the way.

We said hi.

Okay, cool.

Let's go.

What are we waiting for?

My wife's a great actor, as you.

Can tell by the way I'm so confused by it.

Yeah, you're thinking she has a twin.

Like, how'd I do that?

No, I'm thinking about your weight.

What happened to you?

Oh, yeah, I was big, bro.

You weren't that big, dude.

I was big, bro.

That was before.

That was before you met me, actually.

I don't know.

Maybe we were following each other, but I don't think you met.

Yeah, I was definitely following you back then.

I don't remember that.

Were you?

Not that one.

Not that one.

Go down.

I'll show you.

There's another one.

I've been secretly stalking you for a couple years now.

There's a good one.

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

That's you and a camel.

That seems racist.

I got that camel for Adam for a video, actually.

Hold on.

That seems like a weird statement.

What?

I'll explain.

Oh, right there.

Right there.

That one.

That one.

Yeah, click on it.

Oh.

17.2 million views.

You have to have sound.

Turn it up.

Oh, I love you, Kayla.

That's great.

I started this trend, and then all my friends started posting and tagging me.

It was hilarious.

She.

She was.

Dude, when she sleeps, that's exactly how she sleeps.

Like, hands above her head.

Hands, like, in different directions.

It's like a war zone in the bedroom.

Oh, man.

She.

Is she.

An earthquake couldn't wake her up.

There's another one that's actually kind of really funny.

Scroll down, let me see.

I.

There's another one I did with her that is really, really funny.

Hold on.

No, no, no.

Keep going.

Why?

Oh, this one's funny.

So check this out.

I broke the window to my Tesla.

Click on that.

See if Chris can catch intentionally.

Yeah, just watch.

That's some bullshit.

How crazy is that?

Why?

Pretty strong, huh?

Look at.

He's looking at me like, what the.

How did you do that?

That's an effect, right?

That's an effect.

No, no, that's not.

No, no.

That's sugar glass.

I'M sorry, what now?

I taped the sugar glass to the outside of the window so it looks like my window.

I pulled the window down and then I broke through the sugar glass.

Why are you doing that?

I.

Dude, I just do creative weird shit.

It's.

I just.

I.

I enjoy doing funny stuff.

This actually, I started a money soap trend.

Like, you see this?

So I did this.

Click on it.

31 million views in this.

Just watch this.

This company sold out because money soap has been trending on Tik Tok lately.

So I decided to order a couple of them and try my luck.

Just watch.

After opening up the first one, I realized that you actually don't have to wash your hands with the soap to get to the money pouch in the middle.

All you have to do is bend it in half and the soap actually splits down the middle.

So after doing that, I was able to separate it and pull the money pouch out.

Out.

After getting the money pouch out, I realized that my hands were a little bit too slippery and soapy to be able to open the pouch itself.

So I cut the video and opened up the pouch myself.

Just my luck.

A $1 bill.

Not a huge winner for this one.

So I went on to number two.

So these guys, after this, they sold out like crazy.

I should have asked him for a brand deal before doing it.

But the pouch was much harder to open.

Open.

Just because my hands were even more slippery from the second bar of soap.

After a while, I was able to get inside and I was so shocked, I found a piece of paper folded up.

Turns out it's a blank check.

Like for part two.

How funny is that?

Yeah.

So they.

They had to put a disclaimer on their website for the money soap saying that they don't have blank checks.

Yeah.

And they don't have, like, they.

There's no.

You won't get a blank check.

Like, they put a disclaimer.

And then I reached out to them because it did so many.

I did a few of them and it did so well that they sold out.

So crazy.

And it was just.

It was a big deal.

It was crazy.

It was hilarious.

This is gonna be really weird to explain to people what you do for a living now.

I do a few things.

I don't remember if that one was funny, but I mean, it has a decent view, so maybe.

Oh, no, this one's funny.

Click on this one.

The candles.

Oh, that one's really funny.

You guys get 4.6 million.

How much time are you spending on TikTok?

Oh, that was good.

That was really good.

You ready?

This is pre hair transplant.

You and me both, brother.

Oh.

I used to do it, so it's funny.

So I, I, I didn't spend, I didn't spend that much time, actually.

I still don't, I never, like, went through all.

I pulled it off.

He's gonna lie for a little bit, guys.

Let's let him lie for a little bit.

Go ahead.

I'm sorry, what are you saying?

I don't actually, I don't actually spend a lot of time on TikTok.

So I would film them and I would just post them and then I.

Would get a million followers on TikTok.

It actually is going down.

It was, it was over a million, but I just stopped posting because I got bored.

Just to be clear, it says personal injury lawyer, car accidents, Uber and Lyft.

Yes.

What the hell?

What do you mean?

Well, it seems contradictory.

It also says esquirelaw.com so people are like, oh, this is my lawyer.

I'm like, yep.

So I, I guess this is where you want me to kind of explain.

What I.

Yeah, I think, I think right about now would be good, a.

Good time to do that.

We're like 40 minutes in, so.

We are 40 minutes.

Are we?

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Dude, I was dead.

Oh, I didn't even see the clock there.

So originally I was in music and entertainment for a really long time.

I was a DJ and a producer for many, many years.

I think I started DJing when I was like 13 or 14.

Mostly bat mitzvahs.

Mostly bat mitvahs, a few quinceaneras, but, but generally I was in, I was in the bat mitzvah space, but no.

So I was in music and entertainment for a really long time.

And during that time I got into kind of sports and agency and started working with athletes.

And all of that kind of was the initial part of my life.

Fast forward to Covid hits 2020 and everything shut down.

Obviously, as you know, there's nothing to do.

I graduated law school.

I went to UCLA for undergrad, went to Pepperdine for law school.

I graduated law school in 2013.

But I didn't take the bar because I was, you know, doing agency and, and working with athletes and I was obviously talking content tick tocking.

So the tick tock.

Actually, I built my TikTok following.

I think if you pull it up, I, I don't know exactly the date when I posted my first tick tock, but I, I think I built it in like within that year.

Like, I didn't it was during COVID or like.

Yeah, during COVID I got bored and I started posting.

Like, go to, like, my first video.

You'll probably see, Like, I.

I didn't start.

Like, there's not a lot of videos.

Like, yeah, like, click on that one, for example.

Like, what's the date on that?

Yeah, so like, end of 2019.

Right?

And then go to, like.

Go to, like, not the last one, but go to, like, I'll tell you which one was.

Last one.

Scroll up.

For example, I think my last video.

None of these were my last.

No, no, no.

Like, before I get to these, like, vote who's at fault?

Because that's, like, after I became a lawyer.

No, no, no.

I would say, like, oh, that's why you're losing followers.

Did you change your, like, your content?

No, I just.

I.

I don't really.

I didn't really care.

I kind of just, like, got over it.

That was when I took the bar.

So, like, I would say right around.

Go down a little bit more.

When did my.

I kind of stopped.

I would say right around.

Like, this area is kind of where I stopped.

So maybe click on.

Click on something like this maybe, or something.

What's the date on that?

So you stop post camel.

Yeah.

So, like, what is that, Like, a year and five months or something?

Like two years?

Yeah, like two years, 10 year and five.

October.

Yeah, you're in, like.

Yeah, we're less than five months.

But anyways, my point is, this is a trend where it's actually kind of funny.

Anyway, so I started doing this, and.

And I got to, like, the goal was to get to a million.

I just.

You were actively trying to do that?

Yeah, because Kayla was like, I don't think, you know, you can't build another platform because my other platforms I built, and I got to a million, like, fairly quickly.

And so Kayla was like, you know, you can't do it again.

I was like, tick Tock's probably the easiest one to do it on.

So during that time, it was easier than it's ever been in history.

Yeah, no, no.

No disrespect intended anyway, but it was.

It was far more attention at that moment in time than any other time.

100.

Everybody was at home.

Nobody was doing anything, so it was easier to go viral.

And the algorithm, I don't presume, was probably different at the time.

I don't know.

But so I built it really quickly.

And then I got.

Once I got to a million, I was kind of like, okay, I'm here now.

What?

And I just didn't, I didn't care.

I.

And then I, you know, during COVID I took the bar because there was nothing else to do.

I passed the bar and then opened a law firm and then just passed.

When you took it?

No.

So actually I'll tell you the full story of on the bar and I don't even know if I've told this story actually on camera, but this will be the first time I probably tell it for the Higher Standard podcast because I want to set high standards.

I mean, it's not like you're ever going to listen to it again anyway.

Whatever.

I finally got that.

I was like, oh, this fucking guy.

I knew there's a dig coming somewhere.

So I initially when I wanted to take the bar was during COVID Covid had just.

The shutdown had started.

I didn't decide like in March.

I decided like was like four months in like July, right?

I was like, oh, I'm going to take the bar.

Because they kept pushing the bar.

So I don't know if you go back and look, I don't know the exact how many times, but the 2020 bar that they, that they had, they had it like really late.

Can you guys pull up?

Like what was the date they had the 2020 bar was.

Because they didn't know how to do it because you do it in an in person setting.

If you couldn't do it, you couldn't do it in person.

So then it was like they were going to, oh, we're going to do.

Right it remote.

They ended up having it, I want to say like end of 2020.

It was a two day bar then, right?

It's.

Oh yeah, it's been a two day bar.

No, when I took it was three.

But yours was like years ago.

Yeah, right, Because I'm old.

Okay, look, if you want to call me old, just call me old.

You don't have to be that guy.

Yours is like back during the Roman Empire.

Of course it was three.

Like I love the Romans.

Anyway, I, I think it's later.

I know they're looking for it, but I, it was later in the year, but I had just, it was like on off.

So like the bar kept sending.

I'd signed up for it, then the bar would send us an email and there you go.

October, like the bar is Never in October.

October 5th through 6th.

Wow.

And the bars never.

It's normally in like July if I'm not mistake.

It's like February and July.

Right.

People must have been racking their Brains going insane.

Because at one hand, like, you're studying up to get ready for it, but then that duration kicks in.

Correct.

It just got mine.

But the reason that it got worse was because the bar kept announcing.

I think I still even have the emails.

Like, one month they'd be like, we're having the bar.

The next month they'd be like, we're not, like, leading up to July, and then come July, they're like, hey, listen, we're actually going to have it.

We're going to have it in October.

So, like, end of July, I was kind of like, okay, maybe I'll do it.

Yeah.

See, like, end of July is normally when they have it, right?

Yeah.

July 29th.

And then the last one.

The last click on the 2020.

I think they announced it.

When did they announce it?

They announced it on July 16th.

So two weeks before the bar was originally supposed to be administered, they announced we're having it in October.

And people understand that.

So there's a cadence to your studying where you have to, like, get to a point in your studying where you get to it, and then you, like, you're kind of, like, downplaying the pressure point and you're scaling back just.

Yeah.

Like, the mental bandwidth to do it.

So it's like.

That's kind of mental torture.

Correct.

And.

And the funny thing is, you're.

You're the only person I've met that's taken the bar.

And there's probably other people, I presume.

I just.

That I've met that.

That took the bar so far out of law school.

Yeah.

14 years.

Yeah.

That's insane.

Mine was crazy.

It's in a conference, by the way, because you.

You.

You lose a lot of that, like, rote memorization that you had during law school.

I think for you, it's an accomplishment.

I don't think it's an accomplishment for me.

And you're smarter than me.

No, no, no.

You're better looking at me.

No, no.

If you.

If you're more talented for two seconds.

I can't do it.

Stop talking.

But the reason.

It's.

The reason I don't think I kind of downplay a little bit of what I did was because I did it during COVID when everybody was just at home and.

No, there was nothing.

That's harder.

No, it's easier.

Let me tell you why.

Because there's no fomo.

There's no, like, your friends aren't out at the club drinking or out doing something, or everybody's, like, hanging out, and you can't hang out.

Nobody's hanging out.

I legitimately lost friends.

I took six months, so I did, I studied Inside remembers this.

I was after work every single day and then on the weekends, every 16 hours a day, every single day on the weekends.

I didn't take one day off, not one break, every single day for literally six months.

So there you go.

So that right there is why it's an accomplishment, right?

You had to literally put everybody to the side and it's a level of, like, dedication.

I didn't really have to put anything aside.

It was like, instead of going to buy props to film a TikTok, I was studying for the bar, like, and there was nothing to do.

I wasn't, I wasn't missing out on anything, anything.

So I, I don't, there's nobody else.

In the world's gonna say instead of buy props.

That's kind of like what I was doing at the time, right?

So in July.

Now, the thing that made it hard for me was there's a guy, Jonathan Chu, okay?

He is the bar prep tutor for, like, I think it's San Francisco Law School, if I'm not mistaken.

Dudes, an absolute, like, he's the goat.

Like, when it comes to studying for the bar, that's the guy I recommend.

And he helped, like, all my friends pass.

And the problem was, did you just.

Take, like, Barbary or something?

No, no, no, I, I, I, I'm not really good with, like, sitting down in a class setting or, like, just watching videos.

I just, I don't do well trying to figure shit out like that.

I just, I don't.

And so, yeah, Jonathan, shout out to Jonathan the goat.

Um, so Jonathan, he is so big on, like, helping people pass a bar that he gets booked up really far in advance.

So come July, when I'm like, I'm gonna take the bar, I'm like, jonathan, help me study.

Jonathan's like, bro, my class has been full for six months.

What are you talking about?

Like, we're all waiting.

He's like, I can't even help.

I can't do anything for you.

Yeah, but he knew my cousin, like, all my friends.

So he's like, look, here's what I'll do.

I'll give you the information and just like, I'll give you a schedule.

Just like, kind of.

You gotta just figure it out, right?

And I, you know, I was like, I was like, sure, whatever.

I got it.

July.

And in July, I was kinda like, should I take it?

I was like, telling the kid like, should I.

Like, I don't even have a tutor.

I'm kind of just doing this on my own at house.

He's like, I don't know, maybe study?

So, like, I was like, on.

Off.

I would say maybe, like, around August, like, mid August.

I was like, all right, I'm gonna actually, like, let's just try.

Let me see if I can.

Let me see if I can pull this off.

Right.

You take a practice test and.

Yeah, I started taking practice test, but, like, timing myself, like, just like at the house.

Yeah.

It doesn't feel like.

It doesn't feel the same.

The pressure's not really there.

But it was fine.

I did it.

I was like, it's fine.

I went through it, and, dude, the bar was coming up in October, and I felt like, oh, I'm gonna slap this bar.

I was like, I'm this thing up.

I was like, I'm a.

I never felt that way.

That's how I felt.

Really.

Oh, I.

This bar up.

I said, I.

This.

It's over, right?

And so I.

I took the bar.

I threw all of my books away.

Why would you do that?

I was like, I'm.

I was like, I kept mine for.

Like, I could have bet every dollar in my name that I passed that bar.

I was like, it's done.

I slap this shit.

So I threw all my books away.

Fuck this.

Can you pull up when they announced the 2020.

October 2020 bar results?

They announced it.

You can pull it up.

And I think I'm right on this.

January 10th and 11th of 2025.

I mean, 2021.

Sorry, 2021.

January 10th.

They announced it four months later.

Four months later.

It took them a while.

January 8th.

Which is the biggest torture you can ever give.

Like, biggest people.

Now, for someone that thinks he passed the bar and just threw all his shit away and doesn't study.

So that's when we find out.

Now, I want you to Google when the 2021 bar was.

It's February 20th.

Yeah, it's February 3rd.

February and July.

Right.

This is when they went back.

So now the gap is.

So now you have to register for the next bar.

2021 bar past the previous bar.

Exactly.

So, well, I didn't register because I was like, I passed them.

I was like, I passed this.

I'm a fucking register.

I'm not studying.

I threw my away.

I'm like, we're good.

Pure arrogance coming.

I was arrogant, right?

Not July.

Put a February bar.

Sorry.

2021, February bar date.

Are you putting him to the horse.

Sorry, bro.

I'm sorry, Jill.

He has no respect for your time and authority over there.

I apologize, guys.

Second day on the show because this is February 23rd.

24th.

So from January 8th to February 23rd, how many days is that?

A month and, like, two weeks.

Yeah, right.

Something like that.

So on January 8th, I log in.

Okay.

Me and my wife are sitting there, and I'm, like, so excited.

And I click it.

And, like, I've never logged in to check bar exam results, so I don't know how this works.

Oh, the way they say it, the.

Way it's just, like.

It just, like, pops up.

Like, you don't.

Yeah, but they don't.

It's not like you passed or you didn't pass.

It's Your name appears in the list or does not appear on the list.

No.

So this one, it says.

Oh, does it really?

So for me, it did, but maybe yours is earlier.

So mys is different.

I think ancient Romans used to give you a list.

These are the list of the people that will go forward.

If your name is not on this list, you will not go forward.

And that was him.

So, like.

Yeah, exactly.

Right?

So my name.

It wasn't like that.

It was like.

It literally.

You logged in, and it said, like, you know, February 12th.

Excuse me, October 2020 bar.

And then, like, I'm logged in, and I'm waiting, and they're like, they're not the bar.

It's right now.

These are the results, and results aren't showing up.

I'm just sitting there on that screen, and then, boom, it just pops up.

Fail.

And I'm like, what?

And, like, I just got.

I just got goosebumps.

I literally, like, this whole rush went through my body, and I was like, okay, I'm obviously not in the right screen.

Like, this is someone else's.

It's not me.

I didn't feel like, what are you guys.

Fuck these guys talking about?

That's what you call denial.

So, like, I.

Right.

So I like.

I like, refresh, log out, log back in, refresh, refresh, refresh.

And it still says fail.

And I'm like, there's no fudgeing way that I was this confident.

I'm surprised you refreshed.

It failed.

So I failed.

The first time I took the bar when I first graduated law school, I took it, like, right away, but I wasn't.

I didn't prep for it.

I really didn't study.

Yeah.

I wasn't emotionally committed.

I knew I didn't want to be a lawyer.

At the time.

And I failed by seven points.

Oh, shit.

So you're going to.

You're going to love my story then too?

Yeah.

So, like, I failed and I was fucking complete.

I was like, there's no way.

Like, these guys got it wrong.

So then I hit up the bar and I was.

They send you your shit.

If you ask for it, they'll send you the packet.

Right.

Which is how I knew how I got, how much I felt.

Yeah.

So then.

But I think that in that version they allowed us to actually download our results.

This was the year the error where they went back.

Yeah, yeah.

So they were part of the readjusted group.

Well, no, no, no, not readjusted.

I'll tell you what happened.

So then they.

What they did was they.

They gave.

They let you download.

Like it would say, like if you had one read or two reads, right.

So then I clicked on it.

If you were between 7 to 10 points, they send you to a second read.

Within 50 points.

You got it?

Yeah, within 50 points.

Somebody makes these subjective decision as to whether you should be an attorney or not.

Correct.

Which, by the way, is a terrible thing.

Correct, Correct.

And this is.

These are on essays, right?

So I'm going through and it's like all my essays got a second read.

And then as I looked at my score on the MBE, on the multiple choice, I had like crushed it.

I was like, I think you needed like a 3, 1390 at the time.

And they changed it.

It used to be like 1500 or 1460 or something.

Back then, very few people type.

They all wrote, hand wrote.

Correct.

Correct.

And now because people type or whatever, they lowered it.

Now the score was like 1360 or 1390.

I don't know.

I don't.

One or the other.

Didn't they readjust one of the groups down at one point in time?

They did.

And that was the most recent one, I think last year.

Last year at some point they readjusted.

I think I've been very far away.

There you go.

Like, they dropped it.

This is the UVU uniform bar exam.

It's a bit different.

That's different.

Yeah, that's different.

That's.

California is an anomaly.

Normal.

So I got my scores and I was like, what the fuck?

And one of them, 1390.

Yeah, there you go.

Yeah, it used to be like 14 something.

Yeah, 1440.

There you go.

So they went down like 50 points.

So I looked at my scores and like on one of my essays, it was.

It was.

I got all the results and this all happens like that Weekend, right.

So it's January 9th and 10th, and I'm, like, depressed.

I'm like, how did.

How.

Like, I've never been this wrong in my life about anything.

Like, I've been wrong, but I've never been this wrong.

I've never been on one side of the table, and then the exact opposite side of the table shows up and.

Is like, I'm still stunned you came in with that.

That level of confidence.

At no point did I ever have that.

I was so convinced I failed.

The time that I passed that 14, you know, years later, I was convinced I was cussing at my dad on the way home, going, like, I don't want everyone to do this.

You don't have this.

I don't know why I wasted my time.

I was extremely confident, and I don't know why.

I just was.

And then the funny thing was, people were telling me exactly what you're saying.

Like, if you felt really confident, you probably didn't do so hot.

And I was like, nah, man, you.

I did great.

I was very confident.

So, anyway, so that I got my scores, and I realized that, like, on one of the essays I had my first read, the guy gave me, like, a.

I want to say a 65 or a 70, which is, like, a higher score.

Yeah.

It's not, like, the best, but it's like, higher.

Higher media, but they don't.

There's.

Nobody really gets scoring above that, though.

You're kind of 65 or 75, and that's it.

Correct.

Correct.

There's, like.

I think there's 1 100, which becomes, like, the.

The.

The example that they give out.

But, like, generally, most people are within, like, the 60 to, like, 80 range or something.

It's always within that branch.

Yeah.

So I got, like, one of them.

I got, like, a 65 or a 70.

And then on that same essay, second read, I got, like, a 3:40 or a 45.

I got a score that was like.

I pretty much wrote my name, and I completely missed.

And this is why the subjectivity of that second read is completely nonsensical.

Correct.

Correct.

Now, I.

I was so shocked that I got my actual, like, essays, and I pulled them out, and I pulled the questions, and I was like, oh, I remember this question.

It was like.

It was something about a real estate transaction.

Right.

And a contract.

Okay.

And so I was like, oh, okay.

It's.

This is contracts.

This.

I'm like, I'm gonna.

I'm gonna do contracts.

And at the end of the.

It had two questions about Evidence.

Oh.

And I was like, wait.

I'm like, we're in contracts, but.

But they're asking about evidence.

But I was like, should I be talking about contracts?

Because the essay is about contracts.

So I.

I regurgitated my entire contracts outline, right?

And then I got into the evidence questions, and I answered those as well.

So what I think happened, and I could be completely wrong, what I think happened, because I've.

I've met a few people that read these bar exams, and they're like, do we spent, like, two minutes on each one, right?

If that.

If that.

They.

They literally skim.

Look for the things you underline and highlight and they roll through.

Yeah, Correct.

So I think the first guy kind of skimmed through and sought contracts, but then actually got to, like, the second part of that.

And I was like, okay.

And he answered the evidence.

Like, that's actually a pretty good answer.

He didn't need all the contract stuff, but he answered the evidence stuff.

Okay, we'll give him a 6570, whatever the score was.

Second guy started reading and was like, contracts, offer acceptance, consideration.

This guy completely missed the questions and gave me, like, a 45.

So.

And on every other essay, on my second read, I had gained points.

But then, because my second read on that one was down by, like, 15 or 20 points.

So you waited to get all the.

How long did it take you get your documents before you get the opportunity to see them?

Like that Before.

No, that you downloaded right there.

So you didn't wait.

Oh, you downloaded.

Yes, you could.

So that was the year that they let us download all of your stuff.

So I got everything really quick.

And then Jonathan, I hit him up.

I was like, jonathan, the next bar is February 23rd or 24th or 26th, whatever it was, right?

Jonathan's like, farad, you're not taking that bar.

And I was like, what do you mean, bro?

Like, I'm not.

Why am I gonna wait?

Like, it's right here.

Let's just do it.

He's like, bro, you.

You cannot do this.

Like, you just.

You just failed.

You just got your results.

Have you been studying?

I was like, no.

I was like, can I just join your class?

He's like, bro, my class is full.

My class got full, like, six months ago.

And I'm just like, oh, my God.

I'm like, jonathan, you gotta help me, bro.

Just give me a hand.

Do something for me.

My MBE was really good.

My MB, I think, was, like, in the 14 or 1500s.

So I was assuming your score is that high.

They just assume you passed.

They don't even really spend a lot of time on your essays.

But my MBE was really high.

I think I was over 1500.

On MBE multiple choice questions.

Yes.

Sorry, the multiple choice.

But on the essays, I was so low that like, I still came in.

I didn't pass by like 35.

Five points is the whole point.

The general belief in the industry is that if you get a strong MBE score, your essays are somewhat irrelevant and that you're gonna pass.

I wish that was the case for me.

They were like, nope, so I didn't pass.

So then I want to know how you get from here to a, to a pass.

So January 11th, first of all, the 9th and 10th, we found on the 8th, I think it was a Friday.

You guys can check and see if that's right or not.

Anyway, Friday we find out.

Saturday, Sunday, I didn't even talk to my wife.

I was like, in bed, just like.

And I wasn't even like, crying.

I was like sitting in bed just thinking, like, where the did I go wrong?

And I'm not worried about how I didn't pass.

I'm worried about how I thought I passed so good.

And like, I was so far ahead that I was so wrong.

And I barely.

I like, failed by like 50 points.

Right.

Or 35 point.

Whatever.

I have been to this psychological place and it's a terrible place.

It's dark, dude.

It's dark.

Super dark.

Yeah, super, super dark.

So I'm sitting here kind of like contemplating life at this point.

Yeah.

And then obviously there's like, you know, there's a sense for everybody that takes a bar.

If you don't pass that, like, oh, your family, your friends, people are gonna be like, oh, this guy's stupid or this guy's not smart.

It's a very public failure because they don't see the result.

But what they do is they see you studying again.

Yeah.

It's like, shame.

Yeah, shame, shame.

As you're walking through the streets of Rome.

It's what it looks like when I.

Walk to the gym.

Yeah, it's funny.

So January 9th, 10th.

Don't even talk to my wife.

Everybody's calling my wife because I'm not answering my phone.

I turn my phone off and everybody's calling my wife, like, yo, is he alive?

What's going on?

Like, they obviously knew that I'm not calling.

Jumping for joy.

He's not posting tik toks anymore.

We don't know if he's okay posting stories.

My phone's just off.

And then you rented that Camel, and then he went missing.

So then Monday.

So Monday comes around, and I hit up Jonathan.

I said, I'm.

I'm taking that bar.

And he's like, bro, you cannot take that.

But I said, jonathan, I failed by 35 points.

He's like, what?

Send me your results.

I sent him everything.

He's like, dude, your essays.

You're writing like a lawyer that's been practicing for years.

He's like, you got to write like a college student.

Like, this is a terrible thing.

And I just put point out.

So passing the bar is not indicative of your talent as a lawyer.

It's.

It's indicative of your ability.

Ability to wrote memory.

I mean, just clearly memorize rules and follow direction.

Yeah.

Which is not.

Which I'm terrible.

Yeah.

Not being attorney about.

Not at all.

So I, I.

It was like, you know, I didn't write, like, you know, here's the rule analysis conclusion.

Like, I didn't do Iraq, right?

Like, issue rule analysis.

I didn't do that.

This is the way they teach you to pass the bar, which is the way to teach you legal writing, but in reality is never used once you pass.

Correct.

And I.

I did probably terrible legal writing in law school.

I don't remember, but I'm sure I did terrible.

And it wasn't, like, a brilliant student at that point.

I don't really care.

I was DJing, like, different countries and while I was in law school.

So, like, whatever.

So then, so many questions.

Why you took the bar?

So then I.

I told John, I sent it to him, and he looks at everything, and he's like, damn, you were really close, like, but your essay writing is terrible.

And I was like, all right, so what do I do?

He's like, dude, I can't coach you.

But I was like, john, do me one favor.

I was like, if my essays are the only problem I have, like, it's my only issue, my biggest issue.

I said, let me send you my essays, like, one or two a week.

Right?

And I'll pay you to just review those and just tell me what I'm doing wrong.

Because no one.

I didn't have someone telling me, like, oh, I completely forgot about Iraq.

I just.

I was like, answering questions, just like, going, yeah, whatever.

Yeah.

So he tells me.

Excuse me.

He tells me.

He says, yeah, okay, I'll do that for you.

Okay.

So January 11th, I signed up for February 23rd.

Bar.

Re.

Get, like, re.

Download outlines, redownload, make outlines.

So I spent the first week and a Half, two weeks, recreating everything.

Because I didn't have anything.

I.

I literally threw everything away.

This would be wild brain damage, like, PTSD brain.

Super smart.

But I was like.

I was.

I was like, wait, did you take it again?

So I took it again.

Oh, my God.

I only had, like, a month.

I kept waiting for the conclusion of the story, for someone to reverse the essay score.

No, no.

So I took the ball.

Oh, my God.

In February.

And I.

And I slapped that exam.

Now, the worst part, when did you.

Start studying for that?

That's like a year.

January 11th, January 8th, I found out the 9th, 10th.

I was like, all right.

When you started studying for the first.

Time around, like, end of July, beginning of August.

Wow.

So three quarters of a year, August.

To September, then to, like, I think it was October, whatever, 4th or 10th or 26th or something.

I don't know what the date was, the initial one was.

But I studied for, like, whatever that two months.

And then I studied for the third, the month.

So you didn't get results until the next May, which meant that you spent a year of your life doing this.

And May 7th, I took.

I got the results.

May.

May, like 20 something.

I opened my firm May 21st, 20, 21.

20, 21, 21 and 21.

Anyway, so then I.

I took the bar again and I passed, obviously.

Now, here's where it gets crazy.

During that second bar, I don't know if you know, like, during that time, how they did it.

They created some AI to watch the students as they took the exam.

This is not so.

What they did was they created an AI.

They sent us a memo, and they said, hey, there's going to be something watching artificial intelligence, watching your eyes.

And if your eyes leave the screen for an extended period of time, you will be marked for cheating.

You'll automatically be disqualified.

So everybody's computer.

Do you have to take it with computer?

And you have to go first.

You walk into the room that you're taking the bar exam.

There can't be anything in the room.

Furniture's okay, but no TVs, no electronics, nothing.

Are you doing this at home or at home?

Oh, you have to hold your laptop away from you like this, with the camera on and record the room.

You do a circle, record the room, and then, wow, you start taking the test.

When you take the test, they have an AI watching your eyes.

I'm not even trying to say, like, people that cheat don't do this or do.

I don't care.

But, like, I'm the kind of dude, where I'm trying to think of something, I'm like, did I do that?

Like I'm always looking around.

I'm not looking at the computer screen.

Can you just have like outlines in your glasses?

And like you couldn't.

So if you had glasses, I think there was like a prescription you had to give.

Like if.

Even if you wore like a hijab or if you wore like anything to cover like a hat or needed something, you had to get approval from the bar.

They wouldn't let you do anything other than just be in there without that.

And the AI supposedly could watch your eye.

Some crazy shit, right?

So I'm already freaking out taking these.

This is gonna be on everybody on Microsoft's employees computers in like a month.

Dude, it was, it was so bad.

And let me tell you, no more mouse jiggers.

Dude.

This was.

I was.

Let me tell you why.

Second essay in.

I had to take a massive.

Oh, and you can't get up.

You can't.

You cannot get up.

See, I wouldn't be able to survive.

You would have been disqualified.

I had the world's smallest bladder.

I would not have been able to.

If I.

I wasn't.

I wish I had to pee.

I had to take a massive shit and I was like sweating.

I had the sweat shits, whatever you call them, the shit sweats or whatever the fuck it is where you didn't.

Have a man pawning.

I couldn't do shit.

And I'm serious.

So I typed up my second essay as quickly as possible and I fucking just submitted.

As soon as you submit, you can get up, but you can't come back and then redo your answer.

So I submitted that answer and I got up and I went to take a shit.

And the whole time I'm taking a.

I'm like, dude, I failed the bar.

Like this one essay is gonna me.

That's how you know you passed.

I was like, this is where I up.

It's that feeling.

I don't know what it is.

It's synonymous with knowing you.

I didn't spend.

I spent.

They give you like an hour for the essay.

I spent like 15 minutes on it.

It was really bad and I was terrified.

Dude.

One of mine was like that and I.

One of mine.

I rushed through.

Yeah.

So I'll give it.

To give you a funny story.

Yeah.

I'll make it real quick.

The guy in front of me, the first day of the bar.

It was a three day in person bar exam.

The guy in front of me shows up Late.

Smells like weed, right?

He's clearly like frustrated.

He's sweating.

He walks in, he's got a laptop.

He opens it up, he's late.

We're already starting on the first series.

I think it was, I think it was essays in the day, one in the beginning.

Yeah.

And then like 15, 20 minutes in, I'm not feeling very well.

Like I, I have to go to the bathroom.

It's, I'm literally right next to the bathroom.

I got lucky.

This guy stands up, slams his computer on the ground, goes dash and like screams and then leaves and never came back back.

And it was just like so shadow.

I didn't, I didn't have to deal with that.

Like, I didn't have to deal with people clicking and typing.

Like, you know when you're taking a test and people are, you're like, are they, are they ahead of me?

Are they taking, are they doing better answers?

Is their answer.

They're still typing.

I'm done.

Did I miss something?

What the going on?

I didn't have that.

So that's why I say mine's a little, Mine was easier.

I don't think it was easy.

I think it's harder.

It would have been harder for me.

I, I, but whatever.

Different opinions.

But the, the second part that, that I think really me.

The bar was two days, but it was like extra long because of all these like extra things we had to do.

Right?

So like it stops.

They gave like different amount of breaks now.

So like the way you guys did it I think was like you guys had like back to back stuff and then you got a little bit of a break.

They need another back to back stuff.

Right.

It was three hour blocks.

Three hours break.

Three hours break.

But three days we didn't have that.

So ours was like, it was like dumified and it was like, like dumbed down.

So it was like we, you know, we had like one section and then like a 20 minute break and then another section and then like another 20 minute break and then like another section, like a 20.

And so like it took a lot longer.

Now the reason I'm saying that is on day two of the bar when we did essays and we started, the essays were a little bit different.

The essays, they didn't do that.

They had, I think the performance test and a couple essays on the second day.

But during that time when I took the bar, it got dark while I was in the room and I forgot to turn on the light.

So I'm sitting in a room with a computer screen When I started, it was light.

And then during the course of the performance test in my last essay, it gets dark, and I'm, like, looking at a screen, and I'm trying to, like, I can't look around.

And I wanted to turn on the light, and I couldn't.

So I started freaking out about that while I'm taking this exam.

But at the end of this exam, I was like, I didn't pass.

There's no way I passed this exam.

And I told Kayla.

I was like, I'm not throwing away my bucks.

I was like, I'm.

This is.

I.

I.

If.

If I felt so good about that last one, and I passed.

I failed this bar exam.

That's when, you know you passed.

And that's when I ended up passing.

So I was like, why did you.

Take the bar at all?

You were doing the DJ thing.

I was doing music and entertainment in.

That's a pretty hard pivot from a guy who did not take the bar for, like, eight years.

After law school, I was working with athletes.

I was, you know, doing music.

I was doing kind of like, you know, social media.

I.

I had the esquire brand before I even.

Because I wanted to be a lawyer.

Initially, when I went to law school, I wanted to be a lawyer.

I actually wanted to be a defense attorney.

Like, criminal defense attorney.

I want to do prosecution, then go to criminal defense.

Why didn't you do that?

So Lori levinson, she's, like 4 foot 5.

That name sounds familiar.

She's a professor at Pepperdine and Loyola.

She used to be a d.

A for, like, 20 years.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

Beast of a d.

A.

Just beast.

Like, just crazy.

And this girl, short, little Jewish girl, like, with a bob haircut and glasses.

Coolest chick ever.

She was my grimlock.

Yeah, this girl.

Oh, yeah, I know her.

Lori Levinson.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The absolute goat.

I've audited a couple classes she's taught.

Oh, she is.

She is the goat.

And if I tell you, like, she was a mean prosecutor, like, she was badass.

Yeah.

So the first story she tells us is how she prosecuted someone.

20 years later, dude gets off on DNA evidence, gets exonerated.

And I'm like, oh, I couldn't.

That would just my life up.

Like, I just.

I can't.

She's like, I tell you that not to discourage you from doing it.

I tell you that to say that you just got to do your job with the evidence you have.

If you're going to do prosecution or defense, whatever you get.

You just got to do your job based on what you have, the card you dealt.

Sometimes the cards pan out differently and then you find out later.

So it's a thing that you got to be willing to stomach.

It's an imperfect system.

100 but it's, it's.

As a prosecutor or as a, as a defense attorney you're going to have to stomach that there might be people that you either prosecute that didn't deserve to be prosecuted or that you defend that should have been guilty.

Yeah but see, I respect that.

At least you're acknowledging it.

There are so many prosecutors in particular or I mean even in.

Outside of like criminal.

Even in civil litigation you get these attorneys that will fight and advocate so hard for their clients.

Yeah.

That they're ignoring what are clear gaps from a moral and ethical standpoint because they've just.

They have to mentally believe all in.

Otherwise they can't justify when they look in the mirror what they see.

100 and that bothers me a great deal.

But I couldn't do that.

I couldn't do that.

When she told me that I was like all right, so Kremlaw's out of the question.

What are we doing next?

So then I was like oh, maybe I'll do entertainment.

And I'll.

But like it bothers me so much when people say like entertainment law.

Like I'm an entertainment law.

Because I'm like okay, so like what do you do?

Entertainment.

Really?

Contracts.

Well yeah.

Is it like if you're a defense attorney for entertainers then what are you.

You're still in entertainment but like you're a criminal defense attorney that does.

Yeah.

You could specialize in defamation.

You could.

So that.

So that.

Okay.

Or like if you're contract.

You're a family law attorney that just does divorce for like entertainers.

So when people say entertainment law.

I don't know what the.

That you're either a contracts lawyer, you're a divorce lawyer.

You know, I mean you're like a family law lawyer.

You're like a.

You know, what are you?

All the successful entertainment lawyers that I've always known have always been effectively like your general practitioner doctor that has certain levels of subject matter expertise.

But they're just trusted than any other.

They don't want to go to some other attorney.

They just trust that attorney.

So you're like an advisor.

You're like an in house counsel adviser.

Yeah.

Basically.

So you're running the family business which happens to be entertainment.

100% couldn't agree more.

But like when people just say I'm an entertainment attorney.

And I'm like, okay, so what do you do?

Like, are you doing contracts?

Like, what.

Like, what do you.

What's your position?

Right.

And so for me, I was outside of that.

I was like, okay, I'm not doing that anymore.

Krim Law's out.

I was going to do entertainment, but I didn't really.

Every time I wanted to ask, like, what is entertainment?

Like, okay.

When people are like, entertainment, I mean.

You have the connections for entertainment.

You could have done that easily.

I was developing those at the same time.

Like, I started them at ucla.

Then when I was at law school, I kind of had them.

And we're building them up.

And then I was graduating law school, and I started working with athletes while I was in law school.

And I was also DJing, like, all over the world.

Right.

But you never looked at them as like.

Like, business connection at that point.

You're just having fun.

No, they were my friends.

He was like, like, boys and homies.

And I figured, you know, if I got these guys.

That's funny.

An entertainment lawyer specializes in legal matters related to the entertainment industry, providing legal advice and representation to individuals and businesses within their sector.

That means nothing.

Yeah, look at.

Look at all the rest of it.

Contract.

Unless your box representation.

Like, yeah, this is.

You're basically.

Yeah.

In house counsel.

That's like.

You might as well just say, I'm a lawyer.

Yeah.

I do lawyer stuff.

Yeah.

Why?

Why even to, like, there's no point in saying entertainment like, I'm a lawyer.

Basically, you're trusted by people who are in the entertainment business to do their overarching legal stuff 100%.

And so I'm doing all of this during the course of law school and kind of like before I get into law school and then I'm building, you know, doing.

I wanted to get into entertainment.

I just wanted to know what it was.

Didn't really get an answer to that.

But then I'm, like, working with all these athletes and, like, guys that like, you know, for example, Metta World Peace.

One of the first guys I ever worked with.

Arguably one of my favorite human beings on this planet, besides me.

Sure.

So, no, he's you.

You are.

You are one of my favorite human beings as well.

But he is dealing with boys.

He's a.

He's a disrespect.

Not only does he not listen to the show, he tells me on the.

My own show that he doesn't like me.

The entertainment is just about lying.

Okay.

That's what you're supposed to do they should add that?

Like, I'm not a liar, I'm a lawyer.

Yeah, so.

So Ron was one of the first guys I ever worked with and he kind of showed me the ropes of, of off field endorsements for athletes, which back then, when I started doing it, you know, Wasserman, caa, all these other.

You know, wme, they owned those industries.

They didn't back then.

Back then they didn't care.

All they cared about it.

No, it was like just their contracts with the teams, that's all they cared about.

Oh, really?

I didn't know.

Yeah, they didn't because social media hadn't really got there.

Well, Instagram was starting what like 2014, 2013, 2012, something like that.

2012, right.

So like think about it.

Instagram just starts, you know that off.

The top of his head.

I just remember it because I started my Instagram back when it started.

Like I remember I was always at like the forefront of like social media.

So like I always was like I would start and be on top of it just because I wanted to know, I wanted to be in the know of like what was going on.

And I lived in la, so it was like everybody's always talking about Instagram, Instagram.

All right, cool, get on Instagram.

So Instagram starts 2012.

It's like 2013, 2014, when I graduated.

So Instagram's like a year, two years old.

So like this off field endorsements, this nil stuff that just popped up recently, like stuff doesn't exist back then.

Yeah.

So when I'm doing, when I'm talking to Ron, they did care about, I will say they did care about sneaker deals.

Sneaker deals have always been big because.

Jordan set a brand precedent in that.

That whole hundred percent, Jordan set a brand.

You know, all these guys that, you.

Know that Hunter became a big money deal, you couldn't ignore it.

So that one they cared about, it was a sneaker deal.

They definitely got in.

But outside of a sneaker deal, like these guys and apparel, like Adidas or Nike, like I couldn't really touch those.

But like everything else I could touch, right?

And it was cool because these guys were all my friends.

I'd get them deals, I'd get paid and sometimes a brand, I'd be like, hey listen, this guy's got a manager and an agent of his own and I'm like this off field rep.

So like either you guys got to pay me or I don't care, you guys.

Who, who's going to pay me?

Are you guys Going to pay me?

Are they going to pay me?

And it would always work out.

It was like if they didn't want to pay me, I was like, all right, then deals I get done because I'm the one that's bringing the deal to the table.

So you guys tell me what you want to do, right?

So either they would pay me or they would pay me.

And I would always get paid.

And my friends would always end up walking.

A lot of times the brand would pay me.

Brand would be like, listen, we'll pay your fees.

It's fine.

Just make it happen.

Yeah, it's a no brainer for them.

No brainer.

And Ron was the one that taught me all this.

Ron was the one that was like, hey, like, my agents don't care about, like, if I do an appearance, for example.

And I was like, really?

He's like, yeah.

So I was DJing in nightclubs.

He's like, get them to pay me to appear, give me a free table, pay me some money.

We'll split the money and I get a free table.

I don't have to spend money.

He was so smart because he would go out.

He's an incredibly underrated businessman, by the way.

Super.

I think he spent most of his time doing that now, right?

Most of his time.

And he's super underrated when it comes to that.

So he, he would like show up to clubs, not pay for any of the bottles because they'd give it to him free.

They would also pay him to be there while every other athlete would go to those clubs and spend money.

Guys next to him at the club that I'm DJing at for spending money, he was getting paid to be there as like the host, you know what I mean?

So that's how I got into it.

And then fast forward, I get done with law school.

Why am I taking the bar I worked with?

There was an event I did with Darren Collison's brother Lawrence at BOA Steakhouse.

And he'd invited Danny Green, Darren Collison and Kenneth Farid.

And at that event, me and Kenneth hit it off.

Kenneth is now like one of my closest friends.

And I try to, you know, I managed most of his stuff for a lot of that time after I became really close friends with him.

Do you listen to his podcast?

He doesn't have one, but if he did, it would be like the over six five podcast.

For sure.

I'd be listening.

Okay.

Called the Lower Standard.

No, it would be the Above Higher Standard.

Right.

Above Higher Standard.

So Kenneth and me we hit it off, became really good friends in, I think, 2020.

No, 2013 or 2014.

Can you guys look up the date?

I think it's 2014 or 2013.

Summer of 2013 or 2014 was when it was USA basketball that Kenneth played alongside Anthony Davis, and they won.

He was about to get the mvp.

The last game, Kyrie went off, just exploded for, like, some crazy amount of, like, just played incredible, and.

And Kyrie got it.

And Kenneth was up there, too.

I think I have photos of both of them about to get their award.

Kyrie's also an amazing individual, but that year, Kenneth invited me out.

He's like, hey, you know, the NBA will let me bring someone with me.

Like, why don't you come out here?

And I went out there and.

Yeah, 2014.

There you go.

And he invited me out.

Shout out to the manimal, one of my closest friends, and he invited me out.

I went out there, I met a bunch of the guys, and a lot of the guys I met, they hadn't really developed into, like, the superstars.

They are now guys like, you know, Klay Thompson, Steph Curry, you know, even Kyrie.

Kyrie was like, you know, hooping.

But, like, he hadn't become like Kyrie yet.

He wasn't a franchise star yet.

Yeah, like, you know, he should have probably been at the time, but he just.

I don't know, it just wasn't.

The biggest guy at the time was James Harden and was on that team, but everybody else, Kobe didn't go, LeBron didn't go.

So it was just like, me and, you know, these guys that hadn't really become superstars yet.

And so, you know, I became friends with everybody, and I was just.

My goal was always to provide value, right?

Like, bring an asset to these people.

So, like, if you're my boy, like, I just want to make you more money.

Like, how could I make you more money?

And then at the same time, I make sponsors.

Yeah, right.

The higher standard.

You know, we're gonna have to.

We're have to send out an email, figure out what we can get you.

We'll get you some.

Some kind of neon thong sponsor.

Be nice.

That's actually a question that I wanted to ask you for, Ashra.

Yeah.

So when you're finding these brand deals for these athletes, how much, like, creative.

Strategy goes into it?

More so than just contract negotiations?

A lot.

A lot.

Most brands have an idea of what they want to do.

They don't know who they want to do it with.

And as you can probably Imagine when it comes to marketing and, you know, there is a development of, okay, this is what I want.

This is my idea.

This is kind of like what I'm thinking.

And these are the kind of group of people that I want to do it with.

But you can't just, like, put them together.

You know what I mean?

Like, a lot of companies do that, but that's more of like a brand awareness play.

And I don't think it works very well.

But it does, I guess, to a certain extent, if you're just trying to get the brand out there.

For example, yeah, you put, you know, LeBron with Nike, does a Nike commercial.

Like, that's not.

Like, most brands are not Nike.

Right?

Like, most brands are trying to find someone to make it work.

And so the idea becomes that once you find the person that fits that, like the budget fits, it works, then you got to come up with the idea, okay, so how are we gonna make this work?

I'll never forget one of the deals I did was with.

There's a guy by the name of Doug.

Shout out to Doug.

Doug Sanders.

He does this stuff, like, night and day with.

He was doing it the same time I was doing it.

And he's.

He's been doing.

He's still doing it.

He's been in it.

He got a deal from.

I want to say it was Rainbow six.

It's like a shooting game.

And he essentially got them.

And I had some guys from the Warriors.

I think I was at the time, I did Klay Thompson, and I think I got Draymond Green at the time, this deal.

Basically, he got a couple guys from Lakers and I got a couple guys from the warriors, and they essentially tweeted each other back and forth.

Rainbow six was like a shooting game on, I don't know, Xbox or.

I've never even heard of Rainbow Six.

Huh.

Oh, I've seen the COVID That's weird.

I don't know if it was.

Was it Xbox or PlayStation?

Oh, PlayStation.

That makes more sense.

And so essentially these guys tweet back Rainbow Six Siege.

Correct.

And so essentially these guys, Roy Hibbert was one of the guys, and Nick Young and both of those were.

Were big gamer guys too.

And these guys game too.

So they essentially, like tweeted back and forth, coming up to their game.

It was like two, two or three days before their game where the Lakers were playing the Warriors, I think on like Christmas or something, tweeted back and forth.

And we essentially got a brand to where we got the brand.

We said, okay, look, the way we're gonna tie these people in is they're gonna play.

They're gonna.

They're gonna, you know, talk smack to each other on Twitter to build up the rivalry for them to play in this game right before their actual basketball game against each other.

Because at the time, the Lakers had Roy Hibbert and Nick Young.

Everybody wins.

Exactly.

So everybody won.

So that's.

I.

To answer your question is, yeah, there's a lot of, like, by the way, that wasn't my idea for them to tweet other each.

I just had the guys from the warriors and Doug.

It was probably.

Doug had something to do with creating that, how you tie it in.

And Doug was like, can you get these guys?

Like, I think this would be a perfect fit.

And I was like, yeah, we got the guys.

We did it.

And.

And, you know, they paid, like, they pay them, you know, per tweet to get this done.

And.

And.

And so, yeah, it comes into.

You get the idea, then you find the people, and you tie it in somehow.

So, yeah, 100%.

It's complex, man.

People don't understand.

There's so many people in along the way that get paid from it and have to buy off on it, and there's so much, like, corporate politics in between that that becomes very difficult.

It is very, very difficult.

100%.

It is not.

It's not easy, per se.

But I will say that, like, all the guys I started working with, they all blew up so quickly, and they were doing so well.

Like, when we got back from Team usa, Clay and Steph the next year.

When did the warriors win their first ring?

We get back.

That was 2014.

Spain, I think.

2015, 2016.

They won their first ring.

Pull it up.

See if I'm wrong.

Clay and Steph won their first ring.

2015, 2016, if I'm not mistaken.

Or maybe 2016, 2017.

And so they like my phone, you know, obviously, I.

I.

People knew what I was doing.

I didn't really.

I wasn't like, advertising, like, oh, I'm this.

So their first one was 2014, 2015.

Oh, perfect.

And then.

But 20.

The greatest championship of all time happened in 2015.

2016, when LeBron came back.

Three.

One.

Correct.

2014.

2015, though, just so we make sure we're on the same timeline.

It was after Team USA.

Yeah, correct.

So we get back from Team USA, they start that season, end of 2014, like, September or whatever, October when they start, right?

We get back to usa, they start, and then they win a ring that Year, and Clay and Steph just blow up.

And so I'm getting calls left and right for deals for Clay.

I honestly, I couldn't even keep.

I couldn't keep.

I couldn't get him enough deals because he was blowing up in his own right and getting deals from, like, his agency and his man.

So, like, I couldn't.

I couldn't even keep up.

Like, I.

It got to a point where I got, like, priced out of getting him Deals.

Deals, right?

My.

My deals, that would have been like five or six figures.

It was like, no, if it's not multiple six figures, we're not even touching it, right?

Yeah.

Why.

Why even go there if he's getting set priced out?

And a lot of people.

It's actually kind of funny.

I mean, you guys might.

Might appreciate this.

I had a guy at the gym who knew that I was doing this, and he came up to me and he had a.

A furniture line.

I don't remember the guy's name.

I.

And I wish I did.

I would have mentioned his name, I guess.

Help.

His furniture line.

He had a furniture line.

And he was like, hey, I.

I want to do.

I need to do a deal.

I have a deal for one of you guys.

And I'm like, okay, for who?

He's like, I want to do it with Klay Thompson.

And I'm like, okay, what are you trying to do?

And he said, I want to.

I want to do.

I own a furniture store.

And I'm like, seems like a weird combo.

Yeah.

I'm like, thinking in my head, like, where the fuck are we going?

But obviously I'm not going to say that right off the bat, right?

So I'm like, okay, hear him out.

You know, you got a furniture store.

Like, like, what's up?

I was thinking, like, he wants to do a meet and greet.

That's.

That's where my mind initially went.

I'm like, oh, meet and greet.

Maybe to, I guess, grand opening.

Like, maybe like a grand opening, endorse a couch.

But I just thought maybe he just wanted to get pop.

Like, get.

Popping up, get people out there.

So I was.

I'm listening to him.

He goes, you know, this is what I wanted.

He said, I want to.

I want to do a photo shoot with Clay, my furniture.

I was like, that's strange.

I'm like, okay, so this might be a stupid question, but I'm like, what.

What's your goal?

He's like, what do you mean?

Like, what are you trying to gain out of this?

Like, what?

Okay, so you do a photo shoot with Clay in your furniture, and what happens?

He goes, what are you talking about?

He's like, if.

If I do a photo shoot with my furniture and Klay Thompson, I sell all of my furniture, My furniture sells out.

And I looked at him, and I was like, my guy, you're my friend.

Like.

Like, I know you from the gym.

I see you all the time, and I'm just trying to, you know, be as.

As honest as possible.

I'd love to take your money, and I'm sure, like, you know, everybody would love to take your money.

I just wanted full disclosure.

You do a photo shoot with Clay and your furniture, you are not gonna sell a single piece of furniture, bro.

Like, nobody's buying your.

Because Clay Thompson took a picture next to it.