Marvin: Hey folks it's marvin cash the host of the articulate fly and we're back with

Marvin: another casting angles with mac brown mac how are you i'm.

Mac: Doing great how are you marvin.

Marvin: As always just trying to stay out of trouble and kind of getting excited i'm

Marvin: getting ready to uh sneak away for a few days in east tennessee to fish the

Marvin: uh the south holston the watauga with my oldest son you know him oh.

Mac: Yeah no that'll be great that'll be great fun it's supposed to be cooler this

Mac: next week. So it's going to be a little bit better temperatures on the water.

Marvin: Yeah. It's kind of funny. He's, he doesn't fish a lot. And so I was kind of

Marvin: telling him, you know, what he needed to pack this morning and all that kind

Marvin: of good stuff. You know, the basic stuff, like if you're going to wear Keens,

Marvin: you might want to wear socks.

Marvin: Otherwise you're going to have Swiss cheese sunburn on the top of your feet.

Marvin: And, you know, you know, all the important stuff about, you know, long pants, buffs.

Marvin: And, you know, he's like, well, isn't a baseball cap good enough?

Marvin: And I was like, you know, only if you want sunburned ears. So,

Marvin: you know, you got to figure it all out, right?

Mac: Oh, yeah. Yeah, it might be a bandana. Put it underneath the hat and protect his neck and back.

Mac: And yeah, no, that's good. That'll be a lot of fun.

Marvin: Yeah, I have a big straw cowboy hat that I just basically take with me and I

Marvin: dunk in the water and that seems to work pretty good for air conditioning. Yeah.

Mac: No, that's a good idea, and that's kind of what I've been using a lot in the

Mac: morning is a big, you know, wide-brimmed straw hat, and that's pretty nice.

Mac: And then it keeps all the—well, it's been overcast. I've been lucky.

Mac: The last eight or nine days, the sun hadn't really come out here until about

Mac: 11 because it's been overcast, had some nice rains.

Mac: So that's made it pretty nice in the morning where you don't have to worry about

Mac: it because I'm done before, you know, before it's noon. and I'm done usually by 10, 30, 11.

Mac: And then I don't have to worry about the heat, you know?

Marvin: Yeah, it's interesting too, right? Because, I mean, looking at the weather,

Marvin: I mean, it's been pretty hot. It's kind of hot here in the, you know, kind of the Piedmont.

Marvin: But, you know, western North Carolina, east Tennessee for the next week to 10

Marvin: days looks like it's probably not going to get back above 90.

Marvin: So it's starting, I would say it's a little early, you know,

Marvin: early August to say that we're starting to maybe tip down.

Marvin: But, I mean, it is at least a welcome respite from the heat we've had.

Marvin: And hopefully the conditions will improve a little bit.

Mac: I think it will. We've been in the low 80s the last four days.

Mac: The evening will get down in upper 60s and then come back up to low 80s.

Mac: So, yeah, I mean, I think it stays cooler maybe on this side of the mountain than up by Johnson City.

Mac: You know what I mean? Because I grew up in Greenville. I think it's a little

Mac: hotter up where I grew up in Greenville, Tennessee.

Mac: So, I don't know. No, usually it does because the weather pattern,

Mac: but the good news is over there, they get the rains.

Mac: A lot of times the rains will hit the mountains, the Appalachias,

Mac: and they go back to the northeast and they don't even make it over the mountains.

Mac: So I'm sure they've got more rainfall overall than we have, you know, for the year.

Mac: But we've been getting nice rains this last week. It's been nice.

Mac: It's the first time in, I would say, almost a decade that late July,

Mac: August hasn't been in severe drought.

Mac: So to be getting these rains is really a, really a big plus,

Mac: you know, for keeping everything cooled down some.

Mac: The water temp, I can tell you that this morning, I take it every day,

Mac: but just this morning's temperature was 63 degrees.

Mac: It's 630 in the morning. And that's not a bad water temp.

Mac: You know what I mean? Everybody's talking about the waters are all too hot.

Mac: I mean, it'll probably come up by the time late in the day on that same creek. It's probably 67, 68.

Mac: But having a morning temperature that's below 65 is actually,

Mac: you know, kind of special for this part of the country because most places aren't.

Marvin: Yeah and so we were talking because it was a little bit better i guess when

Marvin: we spoke two weeks ago but you know it really is you know like you have to kind

Marvin: of really define what getting out early and getting off the water early means.

Mac: Okay. You want me to define it?

Marvin: Yeah. Well, I was just saying you have to, and I was just kind of kicking it

Marvin: to you. You're my trusty sidekick.

Mac: Yeah. Well, I think that, uh, I mean, like this morning we started, I had a, um,

Mac: a young kid and his mom this morning early and I met them at,

Mac: we started at 630 and that's when it's just getting light enough where you can see.

Mac: One thing I've noticed the last three weeks is we were lighter earlier several

Mac: weeks ago, and it's starting to get later and later already.

Mac: So it was 6 a.m., and now at this time of year, it's moved to about 6.30 to

Mac: meet them because it's tough to start in the dark with the traffic.

Mac: So 6.30 is about the time they can start seeing it. And we're done by 9.30 to 10 o'clock.

Mac: And that way you know later in the day then you'll see people start pulling

Mac: in trying to fish those same spots starting at 10 11 o'clock and then it's just

Mac: i'm sure they're frustrated because by that time the water's too warm the activity's

Mac: gone you know and it's like,

Mac: yeah every day every day still different too like where i've been going i've

Mac: been going on um a freestone creek that comes off about 6,500 feet up and it's

Mac: different every day like I like to say well it's been best on dry fly but it

Mac: it really hasn't like one day it'll be,

Mac: good on that I've been throwing a lot of ants and terrestrials like small ants like flying ants and.

Mac: That's one of my favorite you know patterns the one thing that's been really funny this year.

Mac: Year for us i mean for all my gods it's like normally

Mac: on the freestones this time of year that the inchworms king it's

Mac: at its best and it hasn't this year

Mac: hasn't been that way i fished the i fished a

Mac: lot of inchworms in places that should be

Mac: productive with inchworms and i i think that maybe

Mac: they're starting to get used to it kind of like kind of

Mac: like when i moved here years ago you could throw a royal wuss anywhere

Mac: in the park this time of year in the early morning and do well and then

Mac: then everybody threw it and it no longer worked as good

Mac: you know but the chartreuse inch worms the small ones the big ones and we've

Mac: caught some fish on it but it's not at all the magic bullet like it's been in

Mac: the past is what i'm saying so i think it's changed i think too many people

Mac: probably been throwing it now it's a thing of the past unless we go somewhere new you know yeah.

Marvin: It's interesting too like you know one thing i would suggest to people if you're

Marvin: getting out that early and particularly if you're trying to hike in to kind

Marvin: of get away from folks and get higher is, you know, also remember if you're wearing a headlamp,

Marvin: you know, only use it if you need to and, you know, don't shine it on the water,

Marvin: particularly when you get close to where you want to fish because that will,

Marvin: you know, make it less worth your while to put the time in to get up early and walk a little bit.

Mac: That's right. Or better yet, just hike in the night before when it's hot.

Mac: That's what, when the kids get back from their trip with Jennifer,

Mac: that's what we're going to do is go up and stay.

Mac: Because it's about time where they're getting ready to go back to college for

Mac: Connor and Duncan will be starting school, you know, high school, sophomore year.

Mac: And we still haven't, we were going to try to do something up in British Columbia

Mac: and summer's kind of gotten away from us. We've had a lot of unexpected things,

Mac: you know, the summer that we weren't planning for.

Mac: So we're stuck here. So I've told them before they went out of town that we'll

Mac: go in when they get back next week and maybe stay three or four days.

Mac: And that'll be a good time with the kids.

Mac: And we'll do the same thing even when we hike in. We'll fish early in the morning

Mac: and we'll probably go do some hikes and other things in the afternoon.

Mac: But we won't be trying to fish in the middle of the day up high.

Marvin: Yeah. And, you know, as we mentioned last time, you know, it's kind of depending

Marvin: on where you are. I think kids in Tennessee are already back in school.

Marvin: You know, we start to thinking about school stuff, and that means guide schools

Marvin: and casting schools and all that kind of good stuff.

Marvin: And I know you've got some travel

Marvin: set up. You want to let folks know about all that kind of good stuff?

Mac: Yeah we we still got some uh what

Mac: do we have left this year well we got we still

Mac: got the casting school in september we got a couple of

Mac: guide schools october november and the show schedule i worked on that last week

Mac: that's going to be really busy um i think from the first week of january to

Mac: the middle of april we'll be on the road so it's like i looked at the turnaround

Mac: like the west west coast ones at bellevue,

Mac: and then right after Bellevue's Denver,

Mac: and then Pleasanton, it's like, I'll just stay out there because there's only,

Mac: for me, there's only like two days turning around between those shoals.

Mac: So it wouldn't make sense, you know, to come fly all the way back east and get

Mac: on a plane and fly six hours back.

Mac: So I'll probably get lucky and get to go, go to Pyramid Reservoir and fish a

Mac: lot of the stuff I want to fish out there in the winter. I like to fish those.

Mac: There's certain places I like to be at, be that time of year.

Mac: So I'm going to try to make a little vacation as well as the shows and mix them together.

Mac: And, yeah, it's going to be a busy show season though, Marvin.

Marvin: Yeah. And so, you know, folks, I have and I'm adding every day.

Marvin: If you go to thearticulatefly.com and go to our events page,

Marvin: you'll see all the shows listed.

Marvin: And I'll keep adding to those. And if you're an event promoter and you want

Marvin: your info up there, shoot me an email.

Marvin: Use the contact form on the website or if you know me, just shoot me an email.

Marvin: And, you know, Mac, I assume the best way for people to figure out what you're

Marvin: up to is to go to MacBrownFlyfish.com, right?

Mac: Yeah, that'd be the best one, you know, to get my contact email or phone number

Mac: or whatever. That would be the easiest way to get me.

Marvin: Yeah, and all that stuff and Mac's social media stuff's all in the show notes.

Marvin: So if you just hop to the website and check that stuff out, you can find it

Marvin: all there. and folks, even though it's hot, just get up super early and then

Marvin: take a nap at 11 o'clock after you eat a big pancake breakfast.

Marvin: Get out there and catch a few, everybody.

Marvin: Tight lines, everybody. Tight lines, Matt.

Mac: Tight lines, Marvin.