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And, well, today we're going to talk about money.

Well, maybe, sort of.

I have with me a friend of mine who I met at Fight Laugh Feast, Chance, who I may just decide to call you Chase throughout the entire episode.

We'll have to let you explain why or who doesn't know your name.

But.

But Chance, a very good reformed name.

Chance is with.

You may have him with 1689 cigars, but chance, welcome to the Rap Report.

Hey, thanks for having me on today.

So why is it that I should call you Chase?

Did somebody not know?

Did someone introduce to me to you with a wrong name?

Oh, I think it was Mr. Gregory over there at the Dead Man Walking podcast.

Yeah, I refer to him as Gregory Podcast.

So when I was.

When I met you, you introduced me, introduced yourself to me as Chance, which was funny because you had told me, well, you can't forget my name.

It's a really bad name for someone who's reformed.

And.

And then the entire weekend, Greg is talking to.

Is referring to you as Chase, and I'm like, okay, did I get it wrong?

Because I just met you and I'm going to, like, threw me off.

And then you and I are recording with him, and that's when he realized he's been calling you the wrong name all weekend.

That.

That.

That episode is.

That episode is in our backlog, if you want to hear that one.

We.

We did do that, but that was.

That was a funny episode.

Yeah.

He also had our 19 milligram nicotine pouches that just released called Dort.

And he kept that thing in the whole, whole episode, I think.

Oh, dude, that was.

That was funny.

He.

He was definitely.

He was interesting that it was affecting him.

So.

So yes, what we want to talk about today is a new adventure you have started, and it is called a Meme Coin.

It is the 1689 meme coin.

Now, you're.

You're involved in a lot of different projects, so why don't we just give real quick what are some of the projects you're, you're working on?

But then specifically, we want this episode.

Talk about this meme coin and what it is, what it isn't, what people could and could not do with it.

That's going to be the goal of, of the episode, but so folks can know a little bit about you give a little bit of your background and some of the projects you're involved in.

Yeah.

So I'm the founder and CEO of 1689 Cigars.

It's kind of my first capitalistic adventure that I started on.

And then we've moved into coffee distillery.

We have a nicotine pouch called Dort that just dropped and is currently being held hostage in Atlanta.

And then the 1689 meme coin.

And there's going to be some business conferences that I'll be heading up over the next year, year and a half.

So we have a lot going on.

We do a lot of different things, we wear a lot of different hats.

And if you need somebody who is going to source product for you, I have outlets to every factor, probably from Brazil, Mexico, China, the States, Switzerland, all of them.

So if you need help with a business startup, I am your guy.

Okay, so let's, let's talk about your latest adventure.

A meme coin.

Yeah.

What exactly is a meme coin?

So 1689 meme coin was kind of something that I thought about about a year ago.

I pitched it to the guys, I said, hey, I want to start this meme coin.

It's digital art.

So if, if I can explain it this way.

You have like the Mona Lisa that is worth, you know, it's basically priceless.

And so those are meme coins like Doge, Shiba, Inu, Pepe.

Those meme coins have billions of dollars in them, in their market capital, and then they are just art.

And so you can have like your daughter's finger painting that's worth.

It's priceless to you, but to the outside world, it's.

It's worth nothing.

Or you can have the Mona Lisa mean meme coins.

Right now, as 1689 coin stands, we are like the up and coming meme coin.

If you go and you look at our statistics without any marketing besides the whisper campaign, we are doing 95% better than all meme coins on the market.

Okay.

For folks who.

So this is a type of crypto.

For folks who.

Let's start with what is cryptocurrency?

For folks they might have heard of bitcoin.

And then how is a meme coin?

What Exactly.

Is a meme coin.

So we're talking cryptocurrency.

How is this different than, like, bitcoin?

Yeah.

So a meme coin has no backing, zero value, besides what the community brings to it.

So you can't guarantee any kind of returns on a meme coin, which people make a lot of money on meme coins, but there's no guarantee meme coins also, you could lose everything.

So tomorrow, if we.

We have about five different.

We call them whales.

They're people who hold a lot of the capital in the meme coin.

If they were to pull out, it would tank the meme coin, and those who had little amounts of money in it would lose that money because the whale pulled and the value of the meme coin goes down.

So when it is specifically two meme coins, it's all community driven.

There is utility with 1689 coin now, where you can purchase cigars, armor.

It'll be at the Grace and truth conference.

We have some very big conferences coming up that we could facilitate the.

The 1689 coin being there.

I can't release that information yet, but there is definitely some speculative hype there or those future conferences with big names in the reform circles.

So, you know, a meme coin is just that.

Its value is what the community brings to it.

So when Sheba Inu coin was started, I think it was like during COVID I had thrown 1,000 bucks into it, and I thought, we'll see how this thing goes.

I didn't know much about meme coins.

I didn't know much about the decentralized currency.

Besides, bitcoin is considered the crypto gold because it has a limitation of like 21 million coins that are being currently mined.

I think it's like 19 million right now.

And it's really hard to attack that market because it's so saturated.

There's so much money involved in it.

But a meme coin, if somebody were to move $100,000 out of a meme coin at the level that we are at right now, it would tank the whole thing.

And so people talk about, well, this.

This is so volatile.

You can't trust this.

Let me ask this question.

Can we actually trust the dollar?

What's the dollar based in?

Well, I just had the same conversation.

The dollar is backed by the US military.

And so if you see any country that tries to get off the US dollar standard, all of a sudden they're terrorists and we go and bomb them.

Ammo of the US dollar.

So what is the US dollar backed by?

I would say force.

So there is value in it because of that.

It used to be gold and silver, but we understand that that has, there's probably no gold in Fort Knox.

So, I mean, it's still kind of like a fiat currency.

The US Dollar is.

And it can be printed more and more.

Yeah, that's the thing that a lot of people don't recognize.

I think when we talk fiat versus crypto, Fiat is, you know, you have your, your dollars.

Coins.

What, what, you know, your dollars and change, I should say.

But the, the reality, it's not based.

It's.

There's no standard behind it.

It used to be a gold standard.

Now Trump has talked about returning to the gold standard, which I think would be good.

But, you know, there's nothing.

And people don't realize this because people just get used to fiat currency thinking it's stable and it is more stable because it's controlled.

It's controlled by government and different, you know, the Fed and things like this.

So they control it.

But now the question is if they control it, they could also tank it if they so wanted.

That's what happened in, in Nazi Germany.

I remember Albert Einstein, one of the things he won the Nobel Prize where they give him a million dollars, US Dollars and he actually gave it to his ex wife because one of the reasons was had he taken it in, in Marx because he was from, in Germany, it would have been devalued immediately because, yeah, that money just collapsed like overnight.

Yeah, that could happen.

When the government is controlling a fiat currency and people don't think about that.

Where you're talking with crypto, the value is in the people who are seeing value in it.

They keep purchasing it.

They keep, you know, using it.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

And, and it's decentralized.

So it's, you know, regulation is always going to happen with finances.

I don't care if you're a bitcoin purist or if you, you love meme coins and that where you have capital in them.

What ends up happening when Bitcoin tanked from 23,000 to 8,9000, I had a friend, he's in Southern Indiana, who refinanced his house and threw all of the extra cash into bitcoin.

Right before it tanked.

He was reading all these speculative things and then all of a sudden it tanks.

And he lives in a very nice house.

He has a great job.

And I think he put like 300 something thousand dollars into bitcoin and then it goes down to 150,000 overnight.

And so he panicked, sold, lost half of his investment.

And if he would have held, he would have been a multimillionaire right now.

And so the thing about cryptocurrency, especially in currencies like bitcoin, it has always historically went up.

It's beat inflation.

There's a lot of good things about bitcoin, but on the other hand, the return, which you can't guarantee returns on meme coins because there's no backing there.

There is a lot of speculative risk with meme coins.

So you can never guarantee a return.

So tomorrow, if the whales in our, our group were to pull out of 1689, it would drop it down to where everybody.

You would hurt your neighbor.

And so the responsibility of Those who hold 1689 coin is if you hit a certain upper echelon of holdings you hold for all of the people under you.

That doesn't mean you can't take capital out of the coin.

It just means that you're not going to pump and dump the coin because it's just ethically not Christian.

So.

So you're using a lot of terms for people who don't know what crypto is.

A whale is someone who, who hold has a large holding, Right?

Correct.

Pump and dump is where people come in, they buy it, they buy a large amount.

When it's low, it jumps up and then they just drop it.

Right.

So.

Correct.

Just so folks know.

And, and the, the thing is, is that for people to, they have a hard time because a dollar bill they can hold in their hands.

Yes.

You can't hold bitcoin in your hands.

Right.

It's.

It's something that, what we end up seeing is it's, it's what's behind it.

Now, in, in bitcoin, you mentioned about the ledger.

And so just for.

This is more educational for some of the people who are like, what is crypto?

Cryptocurrency is this idea that you have a, you have an open ledger.

So if you go to the bank, you're.

You're basically saying to the bank, or if you go, if I'm paying Chance, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pay him, you know, a hundred dollars because he's gonna give me some 16.89 cigars that I'm just gonna burn.

And so I go and I give him money.

Now the thing is that if, like, think of it as I write a check, he's.

He takes the check, he goes to his bank, the, his bank reconciles with my bank, and my bank pays him that's the ledger.

Right?

They.

That transaction with the cryptocurrency, a ledger is open, so anybody can see the ledger.

Now, what that offers is that it's become something where someone can't cheat the system.

Yeah, you, you.

I can't just turn to chance and say, here's a check for $100.

But it's really not from my bank because the way the bit.

This, the way it works is through a thing called blockchain technology.

And it just checks.

There's lots of different miners that are checking the numbers.

And so nobody can hide something in there and give it like, hey, here's.

Here's a.

Here's $100, but it's a counterfeit dollar.

Or here's.

Here's a check, but it's really not from my bank account.

And anyone who has bought something.

I'm trying to sell a car right now, and I have people that are like, they're.

They come to me and say, hey, would you.

Can you do cash app or Venmo or any of these things?

And I'm like, no.

Because the reality is that what they could do with that is, you know, they end up buying my car.

They go home and they put in a, you know, a request with whatever app and go, oh, I didn't get the.

I didn't get the product.

And the companies just go, okay, here's your money back.

And they.

They take my money.

So now they got my money in my car.

Right.

Well, what can I do?

Well, I could do cash.

Could they give me counterfeit money?

Well, I know how to identify counterfeit money, but that's why people end up doing cash.

Well, if you're dealing with what Chance is saying, well, with this, if we're doing an exchange, and we're doing an exchange using cryptocurrency, when I give him that hundred dollars in crypto, it's going through the ledger, and it is, I want to say instant, but it could take a couple seconds to, you know, maybe a minute to transfer.

But yeah, once it's transferred on what, what.

What wallet you're on.

So Bitcoin takes a little bit longer.

Ethereum takes a little bit longer.

But Solanas, the reason why we chose Sol, it is very, very quick, and it's also a smaller project, and it has a future growth potential, just like xrp, just like Ethereum did.

And so it's more of the medium of the road, because getting into Bitcoin, I mean, you're $120,000 in just for One project.

Yeah.

And so the idea here is that if I was going to pay you chance and we use it crypto, within a minute you have the money in your account.

I can't take it back.

Nope.

So it's now yours.

Yeah.

And there's also lower processing fees with crypto than there is with your credit card processor.

I mean, my, my credit card processor because, because we work in high risk is around 5% per transaction.

So if I sell a box of cigars for a hundred bucks, my credit card processor takes $5.

And then you got to think about taxes, you got to think about all those other things.

So crypto is decentralized and it's hard to trace for those purposes of taxes.

I'm not saying use it to avoid taxes, but there is a lot more decentralized currency that is being used regularly than there is the future for currency is crypto.

There's no, there's no way around that the dollar will die and there will become a bitcoin standard or Ethereum standard or XRP standard.

There's going to be something like my processor just started processing all crypto and that's huge for the crypto industry.

In, I think it's Brazil.

I forget Brazil.

Venezuela.

I forget which one is now.

Bitcoin is their currency.

I think it's Venezuela.

Venezuela, that's it.

And so Trump is looking into, I mean the governments are looking into it.

The problem is, is that the governments are looking into this because they want to be able to control it.

This, I mean, yeah, the government want to control everything.

Everything.

And I think this is where bitcoin becomes different because they, that, that's why I think they don't like it.

They can't control that.

So I am somewhat of a, I am somewhat of a bitcoin only type of person, you know, for the King James only types.

I'm.

I, but I mean I was, I did dabble with a whole bunch of different coins early on, but then doing some research, I'm just like, well, I, I ended up with bitcoin.

However, now I can say that, you know, I have almost 1.4 million 1689 coin.

So.

And you know, since, since we started recording, it's gone up by like almost 7%.

It's got to be because we did this recording.

Oh wait, no, it's not live yet.

So.

So yeah, I understand bitcoin, but what is new to me is this idea of a meme coin.

Right.

So you're talking about some coins.

They're based off artwork and things like that.

What is a meme coin?

So yeah, so a meme coin should be treated as artwork.

It has no backing.

There is no gold standard.

There is nothing is backing it.

The SEC doesn't regulate it.

There are ethics with meme coins.

There's things called white papers or you can check out reformcoins.com that's where 1689 coin is going to be.

We also have another coin that's going to fall along with some confessions that's going to come out here later.

So our ultimate goal for 1689 coin is to turn it into a decentralized currency for the reformed world.

What does that look like?

We have to sit back and think, okay, this looks like, okay, now people can buy 1689 cigars with 1689 coin or they can buy tickets at Grace and Truth conference with 1689 coin.

And there's two other business conferences that are coming up in 2020 with some major reformed guys in our, in our world and sphere.

That 1689 coin will be represented there.

It'll be accepted there.

The vendors will be able to be paid in it.

So we are, we are moving to utility.

And once a coin has utility, it moves away from being a meme coin.

It actually has viability.

It actually has an operating inside of an ecosystem.

But right now 1689 coin is definitely a meme coin because you can buy cigars with it, you can buy body armor with it, you can buy 1689 coins that are actually laser engraved by Kefir.

You can get your, with the Reform Business alliance, you can get your business there with 1689 coin.

You can buy stuff on Boniface Media with 1689 coin.

So we are, we are slowly starting to integrate people in wrath.

And Grace is probably going to be coming into that picture as well on their app.

So there, there's a lot of people who are going to adapt something like this.

And my wife explained it this way.

She said that the Amish and the Mennonites have had something in their community where they always take care of one another and they have an ecosystem inside of that community.

And so with a 1689 coin, Lord willing, it becomes like the Christians ecosystem to where we can use this kind of as a decentralized currency to purchase things, buy things and then eventually one 1689 coin.

So imagine this 1689 coin gets to a 10 million market cap, which is not unheard of for a meme coin.

At a $10 million market cap, your coins are now worth one penny.

And so if we push this coin to be worth one penny by getting a market cap up to $10 million, the initial investments, the people who got in early will have a superior amount, more money than the people who got in late.

And I'm not saying get in or get out.

I always say, don't buy 1689 coin because it's just a meme coin.

But if you see the trajectory of it, there is potential growth, but there's also potential catastrophic damage that could happen.

And we know who all the whales are.

We know who all they are holding.

One guy just hit well status today, and he, he shared it on Facebook.

And I share to him, it's Tom Shepherd.

And so we know everybody who's doing or everybody that is holding a large percentage of the coin.

And if they pull out right now, people keep on asking, well, what are you going to do?

Like, okay, say I pull out all of my 1689 coin, I'll be doxed and my businesses will be canceled and Nobody will buy 1689 cigars or door ever again.

So it is public opinion that keeps men honest.

And it also is so visible that if somebody were to do something like that, there's no denying chance pulling out a hundred thousand dollars worth of 1689 coin, you would see it very visible because of my wallet.

Because that is something everyone would be able to see.

Now, you mentioned people get to whale status.

What defines whale status?

So a whale status would be a percentage holder of a coin.

Right now, we define whale status as somebody who holds $10,000 worth of 1689 coin.

So right now, Tom Shepard just hit wealth status.

He now holds $10,000 worth of 1689 coin.

Okay.

And, and I mean, you're not, you're sharing that, but the reality is anyone that can look at the ledger could know that.

Correct.

And, and that's, that's one of the differences.

Like, you may not know necessarily who.

So the way crypto works for folks who are new, you have a wallet, you know, the wallet.

And, and the wallet becomes, that address becomes really, really important because as you and I were joking, there's people who lost their, their code to the wallet and they can't get it.

I know, I know someone that had a couple Bitcoin like 3, 4 Bitcoin when it was under $11,000.

And they, they lost the computer that had the information on it, and it's just gone.

And right now, if you, if you had, you know, 4, 4 coin, you know of bitcoin right now, I mean, it's at one coin.

Is that at 100 and what?

120, 000.

I think 115, 116.

As of today, it could, it could have changed.

Yeah, I'm, I'm looking it up right now.

So right now, as of, as of right now, it's117,000.

So if you have four or five of them, it's four or five times that.

Yeah, I mean, what ended up.

I think you're referring to me.

My, my wife crashed my, my computer with my bitcoin wallet on there.

No, I wasn't, I wasn't referring to you, actually.

Oh yeah, Well, I lost four Bitcoin in 2017, 2018 that I personally mined.

My, my wife was using the YouTube downloader and she clicked on a fisherman YouTube downloader and the dude just took over the computer and like fried everything.

And so yeah, there's, there's four bitcoin in some landfill in southern Indiana right now.

So I mean, one of the things that you do, I mean this is, it becomes something you got to keep.

And so one of the things just for folks who are getting, who are new to it that want to try to get into it, Let me just give the warning up front.

It's really important that you keep track of your wallet.

Well, how do you do that?

You write it down on a piece of paper?

No, no, you don't.

You tell it to your best friends.

No, you don't do that either.

You hopefully have some sort of password safe that is very secure.

Not something that you're putting in a note on a Dropbox or cloud storage or something like that.

You want it in something that's well encrypted.

But the other thing you could do, which, which I did because, well, you know what someone can, can.

You might lose your password to that and which a lot of people have done, right?

They lose their, their passwords.

Now they don't have their wallet.

What do they do?

One thing you can do and what I did was, you know, I have a steel plate that I'm able to put a certain code in there that will get me back to, you know, you have, usually they're 12 or 24 phrases that is your code to remember.

And so I can get back to what I have using that, that, those phrases.

And if something happens, my steel plate's not going to burn up, right?

If I have it on a piece of paper, that that's toast.

So I have, I have that.

I have two plates actually, one within my house and one in someone Else's house.

Now they may or may not know that the steel plates in their house, but it is, but it's, it's just good to have in some way of keeping it very, very secure because there's a lot of coin that's just out there that no one's ever going to recover.

Yeah, there's, there's some bitcoin wallet out there that has like 10,000 bitcoin in it and it has had zero activity for like 20 years or well, since bitcoin started.

Since it started.

And, and many people believe that was the, the founder of bitcoin, who by the way, no one, no one knows who that real person is, but it is the, the, the first bitcoin purchased be worth probably billions today.

Yeah.

But it hasn't been used.

That's why many, many people think like the, whoever the founder of bitcoin just is gone.

He died.

He dis, you know, all kinds of theories.

So with the meme coin now you're joking to an extent.

Hey, don't, don't buy.

Is if, if people are going to get involved this, Let me just say you do this only with money you can afford to lose.

Yeah.

Okay.

Do not put your house, you know, buy.

You use money that you have from your house or things like that.

It is, we just have to be very careful with that.

I'm saying that as a warning.

But can you make money?

Yes.

Could it be an investment?

Yes.

My view of crypto is as you said, chance, this is, this is a parallel economy.

I know one person who, when Biden got into office, he started threatening of taking over people's pensions because he wanted money and he wanted everyone else's money.

And so he, he was mulling the idea around that maybe going after people's pensions.

People started getting nervous with that.

Well, I, I know someone that what he did was he took his pension and he has it now in bitcoin.

He's taken like all his 401k, it's in Bitcoin.

He can add more.

The way he has it structured, it's him and his wife and his broker that can 2.

They need two signatures to be able to make changes.

So it's usually him and his broker adding things in.

Why does he set it up that way?

Very simply, he set it up that way because the, if you have a 401k and the government says we're taking that, you're first off, it takes like 30 days for you to get that money.

I mean, they just don't Empty it.

Like if you want to take your money from the 401k, it comes out, it's got to go through regulation, and then you'll eventually get it where if it's bitcoin, you get it immediately were within minutes, right?

And so by doing, with three, two signatures, if something happens and the government says, hey, we want his 401k, the broker goes, I can't access it by myself.

And my friend could.

He and his wife could just empty that wallet and put it in a new wallet and it's transferred and it protects it from the government.

So.

So this is part of a parallel economy.

And I think the future is.

You're hearing Chance say this is the future of.

This is the idea of setting up a parallel economy within Christian circles.

That the difference being that we're going to be taking care of one another.

This is on regular listeners.

You've heard me say this, right?

Muslims understand Christianity in a sense better.

They will.

As Christians, Chance, you've probably experienced this.

You get some Christian who's going to do electric work on your house, and you go.

And he's like, well, since you're a Christian, you know, I can do shoddy work because you're, you're not going to complain about it.

And the Christian goes, well, you're going to give me a break because, you know, you're a Christian, so you're gonna, you're not gonna, you know, get paid as much where the Muslims say, no, no, if I'm, if I hire a fellow Muslim, I'm gonna pay you more because I'm taking care of a fellow Muslim's family.

And if I'm the Muslim worker, I do a better job because I'm taking care of my fellow Muslims family.

That's what you voiced earlier.

That's what you want to do with meme coin.

With this meme.

Exactly.

And, and I'm, I'm in the Muslim community a lot because of the tobacco industry and the nicotine industry.

Wait, wait, wait, back up.

What?

Yeah, so, like, okay, you just.

Because I didn't think Muslims smoke tobacco.

They don't, but.

Well, they smoke hookah.

Hookah is okay in their, their culture.

There's some bad practicing Muslims that I work with who smoke cigars with me.

But at the end of the day, what ends up happening.

And here's another thing.

Like the Jordanian Christians and the Jordanian Muslims, they work pretty good together, especially in Chicago.

And so I went up there for a week, business trip, spent some time with them, saw the gas stations, did Some business there.

And what I saw was like, when I came in, they treated me like royalty everywhere I went because I was a guest of this, this Jordanian Christian man.

Even the Muslims, like they, they slaughtered a, a goat, cooked it up for me on kebabs, and it was some of the greatest food I've ever had.

But also it was like this, this taking their, their community took care of one another.

Obviously there's a great divide between Muslims and Christians.

Muslims need the gospel.

But there is such a strong communal aspect of other false religions that I think our, our Christianity has become this way.

This is my group of people.

Like I'm of Apollos and I'm of Paul and I'm of Jesus.

And the Bible explicitly condemns that.

When you see, like Keith Falsky posted something today, it's really easy to be sympathetic with somebody who's going through somewhere something hard.

But when you see a brother succeeding, like, you don't get green with envy.

You cheer them on and you be their biggest cheerleader.

And so I think in this area of meme coins, because it can be dangerous and it has been dangerous.

And people have pumped and dumped coins and they have not loved their neighbor and they have basically robbed their neighbor.

And so that is a great fear of a lot of people who are going into meme coins.

But in a Christian community, especially in our signal groups and our discord groups, where we have, you know, Wednesday night herfs where everybody gets together, has a cigar, talks about crypto, talks about marketing, things of that nature, we are accountable to one another.

And I really do think we can make a thriving ecosystem with 1689 coin.

The Bitcoin purists are going to be upset about it and they're going to tell me that I'm sinning and I'm doing all these things.

They've written me, you know, monologues and exhortations and books.

They've sent me like the thank God for Bitcoin book.

Bitcoin or the Gospel according to Bitcoin, like, that's a really strange name for me.

But when we see all this stuff, it's one of those things where I sit back and I'm like, well, if everybody were to jump on something like 1689 coin and somebody put this in the chat a couple days ago, they said if 5% of the Reformed Christian world were to put $5 into 1689 coin, it would make the value be almost up there with doge and the top of the line meme coins and it obviously increase in Value, it would have a, you know, you can't guarantee any kind of returns.

That's not what I'm saying.

But because people are a part of it, it would increase in value.

And it's almost identical to the same thing as like Christian Metashare, where everybody puts their money in and somebody gets hurt, then Christian Medicare takes care of them.

And it could be the same thing with 1689 coin.

You want to plan a church?

All right, well, we have an extra $200,000 because people have put money into 1689 coin.

It has increased in value.

So therefore, now we can plan a church.

So that's, that's kind of our, our heart behind it.

And, and as you said, people will be able to pay for conferences with your business.

You know, your cigar business, people can pay for, buy cigars.

So there's different ways of doing.

In fact, I can very quickly see just putting an idea if it's not already in your head.

Hey, Joe, are you listening, folks?

You want to get yourself a good cup of coffee?

I could foresee using 1689 coin to get some coffee from Squirrelly Joe's Coffee.

Joe, are you listening?

So I think that that might be a way.

But you'd be able to do something like that.

You would still want to go and go to striving for eternity.org coffee to order your coffee.

Just saying that way he knows that you found him through us and he keeps supporting us.

But if you're going to do that, you might as well use the 1689 meme coin to pay for the coffee.

I'm sure that's coming very shortly.

Chance is going to be talking to Joe.

I'm sure about it.

If he wasn't, if he wasn't already.

Yeah, but, but it is, it's like that's the sort of thing you could do.

So if you want to get yourself some good coffee, you go to strivingfraternity.org coffee.

By the way, I should say that when you do that, if it's your first time ordering Scrolly Joe's coffee, not only do you get some great coffee and you're, you're supporting a fellow brother in Christ, but you also are able to go in and get yourself a discount with the promo code SFE stands for Striving for Attorney.

When you do that.

So go support Joe strivingforattorney.org Coffee and eventually you'll be able to use your 1689 meme coin.

So, Chance, let me ask you.

So someone wants to set up they they're going okay, I'm buying into this.

I like this.

And let me also recommend for folks to go listen to Chance was on Dead Man Walking with you said his name is Gregory for this episode, Gregory Moore.

I think he's we'll see his reaction to that.

But go listen to that as well.

I think you're going to be going on Keith Swarovski's program as well listen a Chance on the different podcasts so you can learn more about it.

But what I want to do is what you didn't do so much with with Greg is actually walk through.

Okay, Chance, I'm I you got me.

I want to help other Christians.

I like the that idea of working with one another, of supporting one another, of building a parallel economy.

How do I get started?

Walk us through step by step.

What someone who has no clue of cryptocurrency, how would they go about this?

And I with that I also want you to give the warnings of you know there are fakes out there, so tell people how to get to the real thing.

Yeah.

So moonshots, where 1689 coin is currently hosted, you can also get it on Coinbase Wallet.

Not Coinbase itself, but Coinbase Wallet, Phantom Wallet, Metamask.

There are many other areas and avenues by which you can purchase Cake Wallet, you can purchase 1689 coin.

Currently there are there's over 20 fakes of 1689 coin.

So when you see 1689 coin, it's going to be the one that is at the top and it is going to be the one with a higher market cap.

And if you are not familiar with with crypto and you need somebody to help set up a wallet, you can message me or you can message 1689 COIN on Facebook x Instagram and one of the guys will take care of you.

They'll walk you straight through how to do it.

And then there is a like invite code that they'll send you.

So when you you do join up on Moonshot, that invite code gives them a percentage of sales for the the duration of your crypto journey.

So it's good to sign up with their codes so you can bless those brothers as you buy crypto.

So right now I would say the best platform to purchase it on is Moonshot.

And I will have a link in the show notes if you look there and you will see the link to my link for that.

So if you want to do the referral code there, that would be how you could go and do that so that you would be Able to well help me as I get more work more with this.

But it is something that you go, go into your, your app, your app store, whichever app you know, whether it's Apple or Samsung or I guess Google go in, find the, the app Moonshot.

Once you go in there, what you're going to want to do is you're, you go and you search.

As he said.

There's a, you're going to want to put money in.

Okay.

Because that's how you're going to do it.

So you'll have a balance that says zero, but if you click on that, you can deposit money in there.

That's how you start.

Safest way to do it.

Chance is Apple Pay if you're on app, if you have on an iPhone.

Yeah.

Apple Pay or Google Pay, those are going to be your safest and most secure ways.

Obviously you can put in your credit card or you can put in I think your Robinhood account.

There's a lot of different accounts that you can put in on there.

But the best way 100% is definitely Google Pay or Apple Pay.

Okay, so then you want to, you, you then go in to the create and search for 1689.

Correct.

And you're going to see a lot of 1689 coin out there.

Yes, there are a lot of fakes.

And if you look at them, you're going to see, oh yeah, there's no activity on them.

These are people that are hoping that you're going to fall for it because this is, you just have to recognize there are scammers out there who, they just jump on something.

And so when you look at these and they have, they, they, they're going to all have like a five thousand dollar market cap because it's, there's nothing there.

They're hoping you fall for that.

So when you go to do it, you want to go for the, the one that's going to have the, the large market cap.

Okay.

Not these ones that have very little market cap.

And the, the coin is worth nothing.

Okay.

So you, you, you'll go in and you'll see there, there's, there is one coin that does have a little bit that you know a couple of them that were purchased by people accidentally.

So we're giving that warning so you get the right thing.

Okay.

Yeah, you'll see tons and tons of different purchases on the coin.

It's like I said, it's growing faster than 95% of the other meme coins.

And we've only done a whisper campaign.

We haven't done a Twitter or X campaign.

We haven't did a telegram campaign.

We haven't promoted anything besides the, the inner workings of the reformed brotherhood that I'm a part of in our cigar culture and stuff like that.

And we have a private signal chat if you want to be a part of it.

There's two of them, there's a strategic chat and then there is a.

Just basically like a community chat.

The community chat gets out of hand.

They.

I turned off my phone for the weekend.

I turned it back on on Sunday morning and I had 900 messages in that community chat.

Just know, just know the guys, they.

I don't even read half of them now unless I get tagged in something.

The strategic chat is for the people who want to know what's going on with the coin if we have any updates coming on.

There's, there's some very, very great things that in 2026 with 1689 coin that, that we're hoping come to pass and Lord willing, they do.

But there are some big business conferences that, that have really looked into picking us up and I think it's going to be a great, great thing.

So again, I'm just going to say that this is a, could be a very good thing for some people to do.

But do not use money that you can't afford to lose.

Correct.

We're clearly not word of faith preachers here, are we?

Chance, clearly.

I mean, I will say don't buy 1689 coin.

That is the running joke with it.

This is not a get rich quick scheme.

This is a long play.

This is three to five years.

We'll look back and be like, holy cow, we built that ecosystem, Lord willing.

And that's our goal.

Our goal isn't tomorrow to all have Lamborghinis.

Our goal is to actually build a Christian ecosystem inside of the meme coin world where you, I think you can redeem the meme coin world.

I do.

Just like I used to not think you could redeem rap.

And then I listened to Timothy Brendel and, and those guys and it's definitely redeemable.

So you have a lot of risk here.

So don't sell your family farm and put it into 1689 coin.

And this is something where I remember when I, I was years ago doing jiu jitsu, one of the brown belts was, he bought 5 bitcoin when it was at a thousand dollars and he was trying to talk me into it and I was like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not gonna do that.

Like, I Just, I didn't know anything about it.

I was like, yeah, well, that, that 5000$.

Had I done that, what was that, like 12 years ago or something?

Had I done that, would be worth almost $600,000 today.

Yeah.

So now can we guarantee something like that?

No, it's, it is a, if you look at it as an investment, then look at it for a very long haul investment.

The reality is if I had invested in bitcoin at a thousand dollars, I would not have 600,000 because I would have sold it long before I would have sold it when it hit like 40,000, thinking that's the most it's gonna get.

Right.

But there, there are people that are predicting like with bitcoin that it can hit a million.

Yeah.

Are they right?

Who knows?

I, I don't know.

It's all speculative.

Correct.

You know, you know, correct.

Going to crypto.

But the, the flip side is if, if you have, I mean, just think of where we could have been if the Democrats stole this last presidential election like they did the previous one.

Okay.

What would you have, you would have a.

President Harris, just picture what would have happened with the American economy.

It would not be what we have right now.

They would have continued denying that we were in a depression and continue to drive the economy down into the toilet until your dollar is, wasn't, isn't.

Wouldn't have been worth anything.

But guess what, if, if you had crypto like this, you could still buy and sell with other people who have that crypto.

So I, I could go and buy and sell with other Christians using the 1699 coin?

Yep.

Yeah.

And, and to be fair, right now we have 275 holders.

So we don't have like there's 275 people who are holding 1689 coin that are in the ecosystem.

But imagine one day we have a hundred thousand holders.

So now there's 100,000 people that can buy and sell with this.

You know, that's kind of our goal is to decentralize some kind of currency to where it can be bought and sold.

And the, also the other thing too is like right now I could sell $1000 worth of 1689 coin and I would have $1000 USD deposited right into my bank account.

So people always get nervous about that.

So your coins can convert back to the US Dollar.

That's not like they're stuck in there.

They're not in some kind of purgatory where they, they got to do good works to get out.

Well, and one of the Things with it is, you know, because I want people to think about this.

You look at what happened in Nazi Germany.

I bring that up because I've said on this show, I've been saying it for decades, okay, being raised Jewish, I was raised to.

We, we were raised to recognize another Holocaust.

We, as Jewish people expected it.

And I've been saying for years, looking at America, there's going to be another one.

It just won't be with the Jewish people.

Although now I'm starting to think, well, they will be included.

But I've said for a long time it'll be the Christians.

Because what we see the government doing with the way they were treating Christians under, especially in Barack Obama, and even worse under Joe Biden, you have to recognize that there very easily could be a time where the government decides that Christians cannot spend money, and they're just going to say, well, you, you don't have that right anymore.

We're gonna, we're gonna take your money.

We're gonna devalue your, your money.

The, the, this is what they do in China.

In China, you're.

You have a, a rating that the government gives you.

And it may cost one person, you know, 10 yen to buy something, but for you, it's going to cost 100 yen.

And that's where the Democrats were looking to go.

And so if Christians were to have a separate means, a parallel means of spending money with one another, we would be able to not only do business with one another and keep things where we're, we're helping to take care of one another, but we're able to do that in a way that the government can't say, well, you're going to pay more.

And the, the, the transgender person can pay less because we approve of their social score.

I mean, that is a real possibility, folks.

And that's why I think something like the 1689 coin, Bitcoin, these others, this is the, the value that it can offer.

Now, the reality is that as Christians, if we're all moving toward one coin, where we're working together at it, that's where we're going to get the value in it, in my opinion.

Yeah, there's a term in the, the meme coin world that says apes ape together, just basically meaning the people who are of one mind and same in substance like to move together.

And so this, like, this is not.

You can't use the term investment.

It's not an investment.

You're purchasing art.

This is what it is.

Accordingly, until we actually get utility and it has Functional use.

Then you have to go into the SEC regulative roles and stuff like that.

But as of right now, this is just a meme coin that has a lot of potential, but it also has major potential to, to be a failure.

So we just have to understand that there is, there is times where we had some guys in when it was at the 3.2 mark millicents and then we had a great pull out of some foreign wallets that were not a part of our group.

They pulled it out and they put it down to 2.2 millisen.

So those guys who got in at the 3.2 lost like 33% or 30% of their portfolio.

And then they're all asking questions, what do we do?

What do we do?

And so we told everybody, everybody hold, everybody hold will rebuild.

The next day it rebuilds up to like 4.3.

So they went up 100% on their, or not 127 on their investment.

So the, the growth can be sporadic.

And the best thing you can do with crypto is to hold crypto.

So that's, that's my advice is if you do buy this digital art, is to hold it, be a part of the community, share the memes, make fun of each other.

You know, we do that all the time.

If you can't, they make memes of me all the time that are absolutely ridiculous.

Somebody put me in some kind of pirate costume with a bag full of 1689 coin dancing on the beach.

Like that should never be on the Internet, but it is now, you know, so you have to have pretty thick skin, you have to be able to laugh.

You know, that's, that is the meme culture, the meme wars, the different sides of this.

But I've thoroughly enjoyed this, to be honest with you.

I wasn't expecting to see it be almost at the half a million dollar mark in a week or two weeks and a half now.

I was expecting 10 to 20 thousand dollars thrown into this, but then it caught wildfire and now everybody's buying it, selling it, circulating it, and being a part of the 1689 coin movement.

So again, let folks know where they can get a hold of you or find out more about how to do it, the app to use and just walk them through step by step.

Again, what do people have to do if they want to buy on it?

Yeah, go to Moonshot in your play store, your app store, whatever device that you use.

Download Moonshot.

You can add me on social media.

Chance Summers is my, my name.

I have a yellow image that Kiefer made for me that has a cigar.

I'm smoking a cigar in it.

Add me, send me a message.

I'll help you get set up.

If you don't know how to do it.

All right.

So folks, I hope it's on.

You might want to consider and.

And maybe something where you want to work with one another and, and help out.

It is something I've said.

I. I put my money where my mouth is.

I had some, some money I could afford to lose.

If I lose it, I put it in there.

So consider doing that.

So it's something, it's something that could have potential to help in, in the future with a parallel economy.

That's how I view it.

So some thoughts for you, Chance.

Anything else before, before we end up wrapping up that you'd want to share with folks?

Yeah.

If you are wanting to use 1689 coin in your business as a processor, things of that nature, get in contact with me.

Our processing company that we work with is great.

It's second amendment processing.

They're not going to cancel you over anything and they accept crypto and they got 1689 coin ready to rock and roll right away.

So I would love to get you set up with a coin.

And so with that, let me give you guys some.

As we wrap up, just some things to let you know where we will be as where I will be speaking or different Striving fraternity folks will be speaking.

And I do have.

Well, I'm going to have to give a correction and we're talking about fake 1689 coins.

I'm going to talk about a fake conference.

So hold up on that one because I've been an announcement on a previous episode and we now have to correct it and I'll explain.

So folks, September 5th to the 7th, I will be in Washington, Indiana with a fellow brother that I met at the Fight Laugh Feast conference.

He is with the Powerhouse Ministries and they're going to be having a conference.

So that is going to be one in.

And if you need to get a hold of us at Striving Fraternity, I can give you the details for or get you the details.

I don't know the site to go and register for that, but that will be out there.

I will be preaching the September 11th to 15th.

We will have the road map to revival that is in Tullahoma, Tennessee.

A lot of the guys that have been with Open Air Theology Conference that was in the past are going to be there.

Jeffrey Rice's church.

So James White, myself, Keith FOSKY.

Greg Gregory, I should say Gregory Moore.

I might get in trouble for this, but he'll, he'll be there.

That'll be a great conference.

I will be speaking specifically on the topic of the revival of faithful preachers.

There's the reality is the need for that is known.

You know, something you said earlier, Chance, in the, in the conversation when you were talking about people who get jealous of people doing well.

Well, you know, we saw an example of that with Josh Bice.

He created a whole fake identity online so he could attack people that he was supposedly friends with and had it speaking at his conference because he was jealous of them doing well.

That, that, that exists and that that behavior needs to stop.

So I'm going to be covering things like that.

I will be at not speaking, but I will be at Fight Left Feast.

That will be October 16th to the 19th.

So I plan to be out there.

That's in, in Nashville, Tennessee, so probably be on Podcast Row.

That's where I'm hoping to see Chance again.

Then I also should mention during the same week that Roadmap to Revival, September 11th to 15th, if you're in the Philadelphia area, Levittown, Pennsylvania, my home church is going to be hosting a Striving for Attorney seminar.

Obviously I won't be speaking because I'll be in Tullahoma, Tennessee, but Aaron Brewster, who's one of our other speakers, will be there.

He's going to be doing a seminar on basically how the different ways that we have responsibility in this life, our responsibility to God, to the church, to our families, to unbelievers.

So he's going to be covering a lot of topics that will help the both the mature and new believers.

So that's something if you're in the that area.

Look, just look for Oxford Valley Chapel.

That's my home church.

And check that out.

Now what is it that I have to correct?

What is the fake conference?

I told you guys that I was invited to speak over in the UK and someone had reached out.

Well, I, there was something that just seemed odd, Chance.

I got an email from the ministry, someone saying they, they really wanted to have me come and speak.

They've been following along and they've seen the website and they would like to know if I would find fly to England.

They would pay all the expenses.

They pay the, the flights and the hotels and they gave a little bit of description of the conference.

And typically what we do is when we have something like that, we ask people to fill out a form.

Well, whoever did went and actually filled out the form and there were just some things.

I will never go to a conference where I do not speak to the organizer, the pastor, so that I can work out directly with them what it is they want preached so that I can work on putting together something that's going to help their church.

It's not that I have canned messages.

I just come in and say okay, I'm going to do my canned messages.

And they no response to asking to actually speak with a pastor.

Got me kind of curious.

So this week I did some research and I discovered that this website was just put up June 5th.

There's no history of this church in existence.

The only place you see this church is on this one website.

So somebody created a fake website to try to lure me to fly all the way to the UK to supposedly be picked up by somebody, only to have no one there thinking I might fly fall for this.

So I did announce that we were possibly going back to, to England, which I was excited to be able to do.

And I'm going to let you know I'm not going to England.

Sorry for those who are in England who were hopeful and excited, but the church doesn't exist as far as I could tell.

And too bad for the people because they were smart enough whoever bought the domain to to hide their name.

But I also know how to file a report with legal and so yep, that's exactly what I did.

I filed it with the abuse line and so hopefully that'll be taken down so others don't.

I someone may actually fall for it and fly all the way to the UK to find out that they've just been scammed out of the money now.

Okay, well now you're in the uk, have it having a nice time walking around.

Hope you could afford it because you paid for it.

But there are people, I don't know whether this was an atheist group or just someone, maybe even a, a professing Christian that just doesn't like us and what we're doing is striving for eternity.

But just like there's fake 1689 coin, there's also fake conferences trying to take advantage of genuine believers.

I guess chance it means that we're doing something right.

In your case, the fact that the, that there's so many copycats, they do say that, you know, and I forget the exact wording of it but basically by, by ripping someone up, by copying someone is the, the greatest form of flattery.

So you must be doing well that so many people want to copy what you're doing.

Yeah.

Well, I hope nobody falls for it.

That's my only, only concern.

There you go.

And I will say this.

I'm gonna, I, I don't know that you'll do this with everyone, but I am going to give some, some kudos to you.

You mentioned Tom Shepard.

Tom Shepard did fall for, for giving some money to one of the fakes.

And even though he could never get that money back, you guys did, Even though you didn't do anything wrong, you didn't, you know, rip him off in any way, you guys did reimburse him the money he lost to someone else.

Yeah.

And I, I say that so people realize the, the integrity that you have and that you guys are doing, because if you were trying to rip people off with this, you wouldn't be reimbursing someone that got ripped off by somebody else.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

And anybody who's ever lost, like, we're going to use the term lost on the coin and they've messaged me and said something.

We've always given them exactly what they put into it.

So it's not, we're not here to make money off of our brothers, but we're here to, to build something for future generations, future wealth.

And the bitcoin purists will say, well, just invest in bitcoin.

And my response typically with, with that is I have a buddy who did that and he lost half of his assets because of it.

You know, so it's, it's everything speculative in the crypto world.

And what if Christians were to take dominion of the crypto world, not just in bitcoin and every aspect of it.

And that's my goal.

Yeah, I mean, the dollar is an investment too.

You're, I mean, look, look at what egg prices were, you know, and, and you think about eggs, you needed them.

And President can just go, okay, we're going to kill all the chickens.

And that suddenly drives up the price of eggs.

So, you know, this is all, it's good to invest in multiple things.

And so I think that's a really good way to close is with that.

So Chance, I appreciate you coming on.

Hope that some folks learned a little bit more about crypto also maybe some that will want to see the what the future that you're trying to, to build with this and maybe get involved and help out it.

So Chance, thanks for coming in.

Yeah, thanks for having me and folks with that.

That's a wrap.

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