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Marvin Cash: Hey, folks, it's Marvin cash, the host of the articulate fly. We're

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back with another casting angles with Mac Brown. Mac, how are

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you?

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Marvin Cash: I'm doing great. How you doing, Marvin?

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Marvin Cash: Uh, I'm just trying to stay cool. It's kind of funny. You were belly aching about

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how hot it is where you are, and it's at least 15 degrees cooler than

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where I am.

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Marvin Cash: Well, it's still hot for here, for this

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early in, well, late June,

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you know, early summer. We've been. We've seen

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some hot temperatures already the last couple weeks, but,

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yeah, hopefully it's going to be a big cool down coming up

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next week.

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Marvin Cash: Yeah, and it's interesting, you know, last time we were coaching

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people that this was coming, you know, the DH was

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over. It's getting warmer. You know, you're going to end

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up, you know, having to fish either early or late or head high up into

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the mountains or go chase warm water species. And we thought

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one of the things would be helpful for folks is, you know, a lot

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of people, uh, uh, are reluctant to go

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fish, like farm ponds and lakes for, like, bremen

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bass, um, um, because they're trout anglers,

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predominantly. Um, um, but there are a lot of things

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you can do fishing for bass and brem that,

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you know, give you good skill translation for when it cools off and you

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get back on the water again in the fall.

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Marvin Cash: That's right. Yeah. There's a lot of line control

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tricks and, and strike detection tricks. You can

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learn, you know, on stillwater or,

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like, little t is pretty slow moving

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water. A lot of those big, big pools, it's like you're

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barely moving this time of year because it's not a lot of water in

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them. So, um, yeah, so if you're

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subsurface fishing, you can do a lot of

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things for strike detection. You know, play around with

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different rod tip actions and line retrieval

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speeds with your hand and just watching the line,

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keeping the rod tip low to the water and watching the line where it has

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that little curve coming off from the rod tip

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to where it meets the water, you know, and detecting strikes

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from far out. You can, you can see

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it instantly on, on that section of the line. So you can practice a

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lot of these things on the brim and bass,

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and it'll. It'll correlate, you know, directly to your trout

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fishing as well. So it just gives you better,

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um, attention, I guess, to the small

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details for your trout fishing. That's. That's one of the

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main. There's a lot of tricks, but that's one of the

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best things, I think, on this time of year to play

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with warm water fish for that reason.

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Marvin Cash: Yeah, it's interesting, right? Because it's exactly like just coming back to

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euro nymph. Right. And so you're looking at how deep your fly is

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based on the angle of your line to the water,

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right? Uh, uh. And then, and then to your

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point, right. You can, um. Um.

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You know, if you, if you're watching that angle, when that

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angle changes, it probably means you've got a fish.

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Right?

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Marvin Cash: Yeah, that's it. And then you go ahead and go straight into

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reacting to that, you know, with your strike.

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Go uh, ahead and moving the rod and putting it on.

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And you can, you know, you can strike

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deliberately like that in a

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short motion to test it. And if it's not there, then just keep

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fishing it. So I mean, it's really good

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for becoming disciplined and,

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um, how to strike. Like you learn that on warm

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water as easy as you do with trout. And,

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um, that would really be beneficial just

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because I would say

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over the course of 40 years of guiding that most people strike

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on an emotional response more

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so than a human computer or thought process. You

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follow me? So, so it's just all an emotion. By saying that, it's

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like think about chimpanzee. Uh,

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there's a good book, the chimp paradox that Steve Peters put

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out. And it talks all about

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like when people fish on emotions, it's like,

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I think I got a strike. So what do they do? They just basically make a

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back cast and the whole setups flying the other direction 40,

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50ft. And it's like, that's totally emotional

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because that's not the way we would ever set the

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hook. Does that make sense? And I would say the majority of people that

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don't go enough, that's how they set the hook. Um,

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so you learn that on warm water, like what we're talking about,

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to be deliberate, but short. I mean, you could do a line strike

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using your lined hand, move the rod just 810 inches to check

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and see if it's there. And if it's not, you're still fishing. You didn't, you didn't

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put it in the air and make a back cast or

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worse, say the fish was on, but you struck

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emotionally and now everything's broke off. So it's like,

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it's a great, great training methodology

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for becoming deliberate. Using the human computer part of

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your mind to set the hook

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rather than emotional. Set the hook, you know?

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Marvin Cash: Yeah. And then, you know, we've talked in various episodes

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about how, you know, there are times when you want to dead

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drift, but there are times when you want to

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animate the fly. Right. We talked about cattus. You know, we've talked

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about you fishing with Davey. Um, and so one of.

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Yeah. And so one of the great things you can do, right, a very common

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thing, right, in the evening is to fish some kind of popper,

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right? And, you know, particularly even if you're on a river, you

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know, fishing some kind of popper, probably with some rubber legs on it

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for smallmouth and understanding,

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you know, you know, how to animate

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that fly. Um, um, not just to make it move any

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which way, but just to start to understand, like, if I do this with the

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rod or if I do this with the line, what does that do to the

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fly? And that's going to make you a. A

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way better streamer angler and a way better dry fly

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angler when you get back on the trout stream.

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Marvin Cash: Oh, yeah, absolutely. And also playing around

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with the, uh, patience game, you know, with

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smallmouth, a lot of times on the popper is you

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can animate it, and then during the pause, when it's

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back at drift and animate it. And then during the pause,

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it's easy for people to want to rush that whole

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process, you know? And then, okay, I'm going to make another cast.

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But if we animate and pause, we can leave it out there

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for a very long time until it actually gets something.

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And usually you'll find that the better quality

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smallmouth around here are

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usually when it's sitting there for quite a while after

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it's been animated. And I mean, like, up to 90 seconds,

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most people are, I want to rush that back in 15 and

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let's launch another task. But I'm saying the best quality

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fish that I've seen over the years, like, even

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with, like, hoppers and cicadas and things,

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is, is the ones that stay there a very long time in a

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fishy spot, and all of a sudden the water boils,

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you know, sometimes as long as two minutes of

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waiting. But people don't tend

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to wait a lot when they're. When, when you're trying to

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get them to wait, they're. They're usually trying to rush that process. And I'm like,

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no, keep fishing it. Let it stay.

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But, yeah, the better quality fish usually,

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usually happen during that long pause game.

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Marvin Cash: Also teaches you, too, to kind of reinforce that, being

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deliberate about your presentation. Right. So, you know,

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some of it is pause with slight movement. You know, if

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that doesn't work. You can start short strips, you know, if you're

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fishing sliders or something that's got an open face,

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you know, do you pop it and leave it alone, or do you pop, pop,

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pop? And so it's the same things that we do fishing for

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trout, just in a slightly different situation.

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But if you, if you get in that mindset, like, you know, if you've been fishing

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it one way for an hour and you haven't caught anything,

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you might want to try something different, right?

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Marvin Cash: Oh, yeah, no, that's, that'd be good. And it's like, yeah,

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there's a lot of great, great lessons, um,

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from, from the rivers and ponds and lakes, you know, that you

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can transfer back over. And Matt, Matt did a good post the

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other day, but, um, I think it's, it's

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spot on, you know, with these kind of temperatures.

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He posted that up in Michigan. I guess Michigan's been really hot, too.

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And, um, but, you know, it's, it's,

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it's okay to give, give trout a break when it gets hot. You

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know, I see it here all the time. People still

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pressuring a lot of the private stuff in north Georgia,

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and it's just like, it's too warm.

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It really is. When you have two weeks of 80, 90 degree

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temperatures, chances are you'd be better off to go warm

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water and let the trout, let the trout alone for a

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while, you know, because the mortality rate's going to go way up the next few

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weeks for trout. I just think it's an ethical thing to leave them

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alone, you know? Yeah.

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Marvin Cash: And I think, too, you know, you know, it may sound kind of

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complicated to say we'll try all sorts of different things that people don't know

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where to start, but, I mean, I think it comes back to stuff you and I have talked about

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a lot, right. Is observation. Right. And so if you're

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on a farm pond or a lake or river, like, what food do you

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see? Right. If you're putting the boat in and you see

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lots of minnows, maybe you need to, you know, fish a ck

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bait fish or a woolly booger. Right. If you see dragonflies, like,

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I mean, it's just, you know, the water is going to tell you, you

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know, what's there to be eaten.

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Marvin Cash: Um.

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Marvin Cash: Um, you know, ah, you know, the, the fish don't

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have uber eats. Right?

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Marvin Cash: That's right. Well, I like the dragonfly idea because I

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fish a lot of dragonflies this time of year. Um, um,

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as far as the nips and I fish a lot of them, you know, as a

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dry with extended foam bodies. I mean, I really

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enjoy fishing a lot of the dragonflies and

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warm water fisheries. And actually, even

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for trout, I mean, there's times a year, you know, you do. Well, if

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we were somewhere where the water's cooler, it's getting tough

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to find cool water right now.

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And so, yeah, the dragonfly is a really fun,

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fun pattern. You know, you really can't go wrong with

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dragonfly anywhere in the southeast on one water fishery

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right now.

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Marvin Cash: Yeah, so I would just say, you know, folks kind of take all that and, you

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know, don't let the hot water keep you off the water. I mean, one of the

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benefits of the summertime is you can fish either really early or really

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late and you can go do other stuff, you know, if you're on a family

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vacation or whatever, you know, it's not going to be like you get

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to go out and fish all day long. Um, so just all sorts

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of stuff that, um, you know, Mack and I thought you guys might find

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helpful. And I know, Mack, you're done with your schools

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until the fall, but I guess, you know, you're guiding regularly and you've

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got, you've got some spots left in some of your casting schools in the fall.

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You want to let folks know kind of where they can find you. So if

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they want to go down the river with you, they can do that or get a casting

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lesson or fill one of those, uh, class slots for

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Marvin Cash: Yeah, that'd be good. It's a, uh, best way is at the

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URL. Mac brown fly fish. And then

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same name as far as on Instagram and Facebook.

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They can send a message on that, too. And that's

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probably the best, best way to reach me in the casting school, I

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think. September 17, I got two slots left in

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that still. So those will go probably the next

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couple weeks and then it'll be full. But, yeah,

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we're looking forward to that.

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Marvin Cash: Yeah, we've got all that stuff in the show notes. And, you know, folks, as I always

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say, you owe it to yourself to get out there and catch a few. Tight

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lines, everybody. Tight lines, Mac,

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tight lines.

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Marvin Cash: Marvin.