1 00:00:00,989 --> 00:00:02,939 Janice Porter: Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's 2 00:00:02,939 --> 00:00:07,319 episode of relationships rule. My guest this week is Chuck 3 00:00:07,349 --> 00:00:13,079 Hogan. And Chuck comes to us from Texas, the the the big 4 00:00:13,079 --> 00:00:16,709 state, we shall say everything's bigger in Texas, right? And 5 00:00:16,739 --> 00:00:18,539 first of all, welcome to the show. Chuck. 6 00:00:18,780 --> 00:00:20,580 Chuck Hogan: Thank you so much for having me on, Janice. 7 00:00:20,609 --> 00:00:24,779 Janice Porter: My pleasure. Chuck is the managing partner, a 8 00:00:24,779 --> 00:00:28,349 managing partner at your best light, and an organization 9 00:00:28,349 --> 00:00:31,799 helping people to elevate finance, family fitness and 10 00:00:31,799 --> 00:00:35,399 faith, to maximize their best life through mentors 11 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:39,779 strategizing community, and exclusive once in a lifetime 12 00:00:39,779 --> 00:00:43,019 experience. His unique background of sales business and 13 00:00:43,019 --> 00:00:46,349 relationship building gives him a rare perspective that enables 14 00:00:46,349 --> 00:00:50,549 him to successfully guide entrepreneurs, CEOs and other 15 00:00:50,549 --> 00:00:55,709 top executives to new heights. And that's a lot very formal and 16 00:00:55,709 --> 00:01:01,259 whatever. So I want to just dig right in and say, Okay, so your 17 00:01:01,259 --> 00:01:05,309 best life, which is your passion piece, I know, I can tell when 18 00:01:05,309 --> 00:01:10,889 I've talked to you before. What exactly is it? Why do I want to 19 00:01:10,889 --> 00:01:11,579 be part of it? 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,490 Chuck Hogan: It's a community. And one of the things that we 21 00:01:14,490 --> 00:01:17,550 started finding Janice, and that in the world of self 22 00:01:17,550 --> 00:01:20,580 development, self growth, for we want to call it self 23 00:01:20,580 --> 00:01:24,930 exploration, that there's a couple presuppositions one, 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,860 people are looking for other like minded people. As a 25 00:01:28,860 --> 00:01:32,850 challenge with this, though, we get into these spaces where the, 26 00:01:33,030 --> 00:01:36,810 I'll say the draw initially, is that Ooh, did you see that too? 27 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,740 Oh, I heard that as well. Oh, we can grow and be billionaires 28 00:01:40,740 --> 00:01:44,250 together. And it's like, okay, so there's this kind of premise 29 00:01:44,250 --> 00:01:48,750 of that, in some way, shape, or form, you need to improve you 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,100 that you need to grow you and I go, Oh, level one relationship. 31 00:01:53,610 --> 00:01:59,160 Hmm. All about you. And here's the challenge with that. We are 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:04,080 our own worst. Advocates. Like we don't advocate for self, we 33 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,600 actually wait for someone else to give us an external reference 34 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,200 of, hey, you know, you're amazing. Hey, I just like being 35 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,110 around you. You are really kind of nice person. It's like, oh, 36 00:02:13,110 --> 00:02:17,610 well, thank you. And then Didn't you know that before? Like you, 37 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:23,370 weren't you always that person. And so we judge self about we're 38 00:02:23,370 --> 00:02:26,790 waiting for a little frame in order for someone else. So your 39 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:33,300 best life was created out of a very simple time. COVID got it. 40 00:02:33,930 --> 00:02:36,810 anything but simple. And I was like, well, actually not true. 41 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:40,650 COVID forced everyone to slow down to reevaluate what was 42 00:02:40,650 --> 00:02:43,590 really important. You had listed a little thing called time that 43 00:02:43,590 --> 00:02:47,070 was back on your side. Because you weren't commuting 44 00:02:47,070 --> 00:02:49,230 unnecessarily. You weren't hanging out with a bunch of 45 00:02:49,230 --> 00:02:52,740 people. It's like, I've got a lot more net time than I used to 46 00:02:52,740 --> 00:02:56,670 have. And all of a sudden, Janice, friends of mine, and 47 00:02:56,670 --> 00:02:59,550 cohorts and business partners, we started collaborating, we're 48 00:02:59,550 --> 00:03:04,290 like, what do we miss? We miss people. Oh, but it's socially 49 00:03:04,290 --> 00:03:06,810 responsible to go out and meet with other people. And I go, is 50 00:03:06,810 --> 00:03:10,290 that really true? Because I'm around my kids all the time and 51 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:13,740 not an issue. And I'm around my spouse all the time. And it's 52 00:03:13,740 --> 00:03:16,650 not an issue. And I said, so if you're around other like minded, 53 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:22,170 and this was the key difference, like hearted people. So Whoa, 54 00:03:22,170 --> 00:03:25,260 whoa, whoa, what's that all about? And I said, Well, here's 55 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:29,220 the truth. A lot of communities people get together, and they'll 56 00:03:29,220 --> 00:03:33,420 go, oh, teach me something. I'm a sponge. I just want to learn. 57 00:03:33,420 --> 00:03:37,350 I go, huh? I've been part of a lot of I'll say shelf health 58 00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:41,070 programs. Because the book goes right on the shelf, the binder, 59 00:03:41,190 --> 00:03:46,350 the whole dissertation, they were an intensive three day. hit 60 00:03:46,380 --> 00:03:48,810 Florida, the bit of the pedal to the metal and they were just 61 00:03:48,810 --> 00:03:53,970 going on going it's like, okay, and what changed? Oh, I changed. 62 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,240 I shifted. I am a new person. It's I got 63 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,630 great. What do you change? 64 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,170 Well, my focus is different now, Chuck, so I'm planning I'm 65 00:04:04,170 --> 00:04:07,680 planning the chain. Oh, so you didn't actually shift. But it's 66 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:14,250 an idea and ideology. It's a apotheosis. It's a theory. Well, 67 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,850 why BL said let's start with the theory. Let's get people 68 00:04:17,850 --> 00:04:19,770 together. Because there are places on this planet we can 69 00:04:19,770 --> 00:04:22,650 still travel to. Yes, you have to wear masks on a plane. So we 70 00:04:22,650 --> 00:04:24,150 opened up year one 71 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,280 Janice Porter: during COVID. Yes. Scary. 72 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:30,060 Chuck Hogan: Okay. Good. You all are psychotic. And I go, Well, 73 00:04:30,420 --> 00:04:34,260 no, there's a difference. See, we don't look to raise 74 00:04:34,260 --> 00:04:37,380 standards, we look to have different standards. Why? In 75 00:04:37,380 --> 00:04:39,390 order to raise a standard, you have to judge the standard that 76 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:41,880 you had before. And anytime you judge you lose access to those 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,300 resources. So now you're presupposing that something was 78 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:50,430 wrong. It wasn't good enough. And it's like, oh, this is the 79 00:04:50,430 --> 00:04:52,560 advantage of being a neuro strategist because now you're 80 00:04:52,590 --> 00:04:55,020 remembering how the brain works. You go. So we're going to create 81 00:04:55,020 --> 00:04:58,020 a different strategy and a different standard. And the 82 00:04:58,020 --> 00:05:00,360 standard was we're going to enjoy each other We're going to 83 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,810 collaborate. So our very first trip was to Costa Rica. We then 84 00:05:03,810 --> 00:05:09,420 went to Mykonos, the Maldives ash curette. COVID. During 85 00:05:09,420 --> 00:05:13,350 COVID, we went to Park City, Utah, we've gone to the Maldives 86 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:18,330 we have gone. I mean, I know you all are nuts. It's like, no, 87 00:05:18,330 --> 00:05:21,090 actually, it's setting a different standard. We just got 88 00:05:21,090 --> 00:05:25,320 back from Rwanda. And with John Gray and his beautiful wife, 89 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,160 Vicky, on a family trip, which we call her also relationship. 90 00:05:29,730 --> 00:05:32,400 Why does this become important? We're not looking for 91 00:05:32,430 --> 00:05:35,730 exceptional. This is the interesting part, we started 92 00:05:35,730 --> 00:05:38,460 noticing that people are brilliant, beautiful, bright and 93 00:05:38,460 --> 00:05:42,450 bold in and of themselves. And yet, when we start to look at 94 00:05:42,450 --> 00:05:45,180 the modalities of a person, and we'll use our hand as an 95 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:47,820 example, if I'm working in faith, family, fitness and 96 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:50,700 finance, if I'm ailing in any one of these, they're all 97 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:54,840 tethered together. So a rising tide raises all ships, but an 98 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:58,260 anchor can sync all of them as well. And so we started to 99 00:05:58,260 --> 00:06:02,640 realize that were a lot of firms were offering coaching or 100 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,610 strategist services. We shifted. We said you know what, we're 101 00:06:05,610 --> 00:06:08,460 gonna bring in the best of the best people who are specialists 102 00:06:08,460 --> 00:06:11,880 in relationship and business and not just talking it they 103 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,730 actually have built, you know, they're sent to millionaires and 104 00:06:14,730 --> 00:06:17,610 DECA millionaires and, and they've been married. I've been 105 00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:21,030 married for 37 years, you know, it's like, so is there an 106 00:06:21,030 --> 00:06:25,380 example there? Yes. Three beautiful kids. Everyone's 107 00:06:25,410 --> 00:06:27,750 healthy and happy. Oh, so you're, you're like the 108 00:06:27,750 --> 00:06:30,900 Huxtables you're like the Brady Bunch. You're like I said, no, 109 00:06:30,900 --> 00:06:32,970 there are some days were more like married with children. I'm 110 00:06:32,970 --> 00:06:37,050 like Ted Bundy. Or Al Bundy. Excuse me, O'Neill and Al Bundy. 111 00:06:37,050 --> 00:06:41,880 And I blended the same guy. Difference. Exactly. Yeah. But 112 00:06:41,910 --> 00:06:45,930 to your point, your best life is a community. And It specializes 113 00:06:45,930 --> 00:06:49,020 in faith, family, fitness, and finance. And we started to 114 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:52,380 notice that when people were suffering in business, it 115 00:06:52,380 --> 00:06:54,930 normally wasn't due to the business, it was normally due to 116 00:06:54,930 --> 00:06:56,700 something that was happening in their personal life and the 117 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:59,520 relationships. When people were suffering the relationships, it 118 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,610 was like, it wasn't just the relationship. It was health and 119 00:07:02,610 --> 00:07:07,290 vitality or spirituality and faith. And it's like, okay, so 120 00:07:07,290 --> 00:07:08,970 we brought in the best of the best and all these different 121 00:07:08,970 --> 00:07:12,120 silos. And there's a lot of crosstalk. There's a lot of 122 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,090 cross chat, but you don't want to thank you for something. You 123 00:07:15,090 --> 00:07:18,030 went on our website. And you said, it's so positive. Thank 124 00:07:18,030 --> 00:07:21,480 you for that. Because the intent is, is that you're going to live 125 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:26,520 life. Some people are surviving it. Some people are thriving in 126 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:31,170 it. Yeah. Exactly. To live life to the fullest. And to say, I'm 127 00:07:31,170 --> 00:07:33,930 gonna live my best life, whatever that looks like today. 128 00:07:34,260 --> 00:07:37,800 Janice Porter: Okay. Okay. But but I would guess from looking 129 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,540 at the website that, you know, it says attention, dreamers, 130 00:07:42,540 --> 00:07:45,270 doers, and achievers, how we help you design your best to 131 00:07:45,270 --> 00:07:49,500 you. But it looks to me like, I have to have a lot of money to 132 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:54,030 be involved in this community. thing that I've felt. So 133 00:07:54,030 --> 00:07:56,310 Chuck Hogan: this is this is one of the other tenants of the 134 00:07:56,310 --> 00:08:00,060 company, we actually made this based on a membership that 135 00:08:00,060 --> 00:08:03,060 actually helps cultivate your business first. And here's the 136 00:08:03,060 --> 00:08:05,640 reason why we started I know people go Wait, what? So 137 00:08:05,850 --> 00:08:10,950 literally, your your membership is for business, strategizing, 138 00:08:10,980 --> 00:08:14,700 and in all the other modalities, but we literally dive deep in 139 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:17,880 your business to find out who you are, what you are good 140 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,720 services, operations, optimization, we look at cash 141 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,620 flow culture, we look at the certainty we look at the 142 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:28,470 modalities behind production, profitability, products, 143 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:33,300 delivery, marketing, and why we do this as we realize that when 144 00:08:33,300 --> 00:08:37,110 people have capacity, it actually gives them more 145 00:08:37,140 --> 00:08:41,940 possibilities. So money is not the outcome. It's the 146 00:08:41,970 --> 00:08:46,650 opportunities that the tool Yeah, for sure. We've had a lot 147 00:08:46,650 --> 00:08:50,160 of clients, Janice, who have been so relegated to being the 148 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,820 business operator, like they I can't get out of it can't get 149 00:08:53,820 --> 00:08:58,530 out of it are often optics are to help them move more towards 150 00:08:58,890 --> 00:09:01,710 ownership, where now they're getting more net time back, 151 00:09:01,770 --> 00:09:07,320 right? Being able to scale. And also to start to propagate exit 152 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,400 strategies for a business or business is we've had several 153 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,220 members who have done that and they're like going, Oh, my gosh, 154 00:09:14,970 --> 00:09:18,900 Janice Porter: know what I do. So you have people in the 155 00:09:19,110 --> 00:09:22,710 organization who are business consultant, strategist, 156 00:09:22,710 --> 00:09:26,430 whatever, like counsel, things like that, who guide and help 157 00:09:26,430 --> 00:09:28,260 people in their businesses first 158 00:09:28,350 --> 00:09:32,400 Chuck Hogan: and Yes, correct. So we have a top tier economist 159 00:09:32,430 --> 00:09:37,410 and a former head of a national mortgage brokerage firm who was 160 00:09:37,410 --> 00:09:41,850 so adept with money it's beyond ridiculous. His his calls on 161 00:09:41,850 --> 00:09:44,910 what's happened economically have been beyond freakishly 162 00:09:44,910 --> 00:09:48,990 good. I daresay great, but I don't want to jinx it. So I'll 163 00:09:48,990 --> 00:09:52,500 knock on some wood here. Preston Brown, who is my other part? So 164 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:58,680 that's Dean and as Preston Brown is a entrepreneur grew up. Very, 165 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,680 I'll say humble beginnings. In his trailer park lifestyle as a 166 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:06,270 kid, but so much drive so much passion, so learned that he now 167 00:10:06,270 --> 00:10:09,420 owns 19 companies, and he is well into being a center 168 00:10:09,420 --> 00:10:12,660 millionaire owns several aircraft and McLaren. I mean, 169 00:10:12,690 --> 00:10:15,900 he's living. He's very blessed, one of the most brilliant human 170 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:18,870 beings I know. And he questions everything, which I love, which 171 00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:25,110 I love. He's that guy. It's the definitely that guy, and myself 172 00:10:25,110 --> 00:10:27,750 as well. And then here was what the beautiful part, we actually 173 00:10:27,750 --> 00:10:31,260 have members who decided to actually become strategists 174 00:10:31,260 --> 00:10:34,980 within our organization. And because they have this calling, 175 00:10:34,980 --> 00:10:37,740 they're like, oh, and I've made, you know, hundreds of millions 176 00:10:37,740 --> 00:10:41,940 of dollars. And now it's time for me to give back. So they 177 00:10:41,940 --> 00:10:45,750 actually started off as members. And now they've converted over 178 00:10:45,750 --> 00:10:48,870 to being strategist within our organization as well. It what's 179 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:52,320 so brilliant about this is that they know the journey. But yet, 180 00:10:52,470 --> 00:10:56,700 there's zero judgment in this is what I am so grateful, and 181 00:10:56,700 --> 00:11:00,240 blessed to talk about is that you can be in a space where 182 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,580 people can co elevate and grow without measuring wallets, bank 183 00:11:05,580 --> 00:11:09,300 accounts, lifestyles, happy that all but this looks very robust. 184 00:11:09,330 --> 00:11:13,920 And I go, it's actually ridiculously affordable. For 185 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,810 seriously $2,500 A month someone can join and have their business 186 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,950 scrubbed, looked at get personal strategizing, and consulting. 187 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,370 And yet, not just in one facet of their life in all facets of 188 00:11:26,370 --> 00:11:26,820 their life. 189 00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:30,210 Janice Porter: And some people would, and I'm sure you've heard 190 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:36,210 this, but it when it feels like some people could say, oh, this 191 00:11:36,210 --> 00:11:37,320 sounds like a cult. 192 00:11:37,860 --> 00:11:40,650 Chuck Hogan: Right? And you know what? It bless you for saying 193 00:11:40,650 --> 00:11:45,030 that? I came from one of those environments? Yes, yes. For many 194 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:49,860 years, and and with all due respect, the first four letters 195 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,340 in the world well in culture, because that's when you go, Oh, 196 00:11:53,340 --> 00:11:55,410 we're cultivating a culture. And I go, Well, yes, the first four 197 00:11:55,410 --> 00:11:58,770 letters are called. And so that's not by happenstance, the 198 00:11:58,770 --> 00:12:02,820 other side of it is, is that I would say, I believe that most 199 00:12:02,820 --> 00:12:05,430 people are looking and one of the top human needs that we have 200 00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:09,210 both six human needs, essential needs essential air, water, 201 00:12:09,210 --> 00:12:12,210 food, shelter, love and connection. Human beings need to 202 00:12:12,210 --> 00:12:15,510 be connected. In fact, any pediatric nurse will tell you 203 00:12:15,510 --> 00:12:17,460 that if a child is not loved within the first five minutes of 204 00:12:17,460 --> 00:12:21,840 birth, then it's called failure to thrive syndrome, they will 205 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,490 literally expire, they will they will not, we have this essence 206 00:12:26,490 --> 00:12:30,210 and need that spark. In the six human needs, we have a need for 207 00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:34,380 I'll say certainty. So security, variety, or uncertainty, 208 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,240 significance, love and connection, growth and 209 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,270 contribution. And the last two being spiritual, the only really 210 00:12:39,270 --> 00:12:43,260 metric that crossover to both in the needs is loving connection, 211 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:46,710 and is something that's so systemic to who we are. So why 212 00:12:46,710 --> 00:12:51,840 do I go there? We decided that there were three tenants that 213 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,910 needed to be met, in order for y VL. To exist, one, that it 214 00:12:56,910 --> 00:13:00,120 always had to be value add, it always needed to be able to 215 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,150 listen to his community and give the value that people needed, 216 00:13:03,210 --> 00:13:07,500 not what people wanted. There's a huge difference. I agree. The 217 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,620 second part was is that we made it where if you were in 218 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:14,610 relationship, that your spouse could go on any of the trips 219 00:13:14,610 --> 00:13:17,790 with you, it was not a Oh, you're gonna grow and then try 220 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:21,750 and go back home and try and explain to someone and I'm very 221 00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:24,510 specific with my language, I'm saying going back home, because 222 00:13:24,540 --> 00:13:27,870 that's what most people did is they would go and elevated and 223 00:13:27,870 --> 00:13:31,200 then go back home and try and explain it to their spouse 224 00:13:31,230 --> 00:13:31,710 through there. 225 00:13:31,829 --> 00:13:33,629 Janice Porter: I've done it. I know it doesn't work. 226 00:13:34,469 --> 00:13:38,129 Chuck Hogan: Like, this is so painful. And I actually had 227 00:13:38,129 --> 00:13:40,649 someone call me out on this a couple weeks ago in the chat, I 228 00:13:40,649 --> 00:13:43,019 have to disagree, brother. And I said, Okay, great. We'll call 229 00:13:43,019 --> 00:13:46,199 him John said, John, if you want to flight training, intensive 230 00:13:46,199 --> 00:13:50,759 flight training for four days, four days, you're ready to go 231 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:55,439 ahead and take your family out. Solo flying, no issue. You're 232 00:13:55,439 --> 00:13:58,829 good to go. He goes, No, no, no, no. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, 233 00:13:58,829 --> 00:14:02,549 whoa. But you just told me that you he goes, Well, I'm not 234 00:14:02,549 --> 00:14:06,899 crazy. And I go, Well, is it not crazy to go ahead and take the 235 00:14:06,899 --> 00:14:10,829 emotional values of your family, their outcomes, their goals, 236 00:14:10,829 --> 00:14:14,039 their dreams and aspirations? And now you're trying to Guru 237 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:19,739 them when you're not done cooking? And he goes, Wow, he 238 00:14:19,739 --> 00:14:21,689 goes that flight analogy and I go, you're still stuck on the 239 00:14:21,689 --> 00:14:25,019 flight analogy. I said, Great. I said, so would you be able to 240 00:14:25,019 --> 00:14:29,039 teach your wife to sit next to you, and now be the pilot as you 241 00:14:29,039 --> 00:14:32,189 co pilot because you're so diverse. And you've gone through 242 00:14:32,189 --> 00:14:34,979 every experience of turbulence and engine failure and you go 243 00:14:35,009 --> 00:14:37,739 no, no, timeout, dude, you're scaring me and I go good. 244 00:14:38,009 --> 00:14:42,059 Because here's the ticket. It's the journey. And when you get to 245 00:14:42,059 --> 00:14:44,249 grow together, the family that strives together thrives 246 00:14:44,249 --> 00:14:46,199 together, you're gonna be hearing the exact same 247 00:14:46,199 --> 00:14:48,749 information when you get back to the room at night and you're 248 00:14:48,749 --> 00:14:51,209 comparing notes. It's like, oh my gosh, we're co elevating. 249 00:14:51,209 --> 00:14:54,179 We're growing. We're getting these distinctions by trusted 250 00:14:54,179 --> 00:14:54,749 people. 251 00:14:54,990 --> 00:14:56,070 Janice Porter: Mm hmm. 252 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:59,160 Chuck Hogan: It's like oh, so second. This is 253 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,640 Janice Porter: a little of a sigh. a turn. But I noticed on 254 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,900 your website that you had Jim quick as a speaker. Yes. 255 00:15:07,050 --> 00:15:11,880 fascinates me. Oh, yeah. So I was just curious in your case, 256 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,280 Chuck Hogan: that when you brought his name up, Jim is 257 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:20,970 someone I absolutely adore. He is He epitomizes what it is to 258 00:15:20,970 --> 00:15:26,850 meet physiological challenges and mental challenges, and yet 259 00:15:26,850 --> 00:15:35,130 come away with easy, actionable information that can provide 260 00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:38,850 insights and distinctions. And so all three of my children have 261 00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:42,930 read his books, they have done his his homework assignments, 262 00:15:42,930 --> 00:15:47,370 his home play, as we call it. And it's been brilliant. Jim, 263 00:15:47,610 --> 00:15:53,700 is, I won't call him a friend, I will just say he's a dear 264 00:15:54,450 --> 00:15:58,650 console to our community. And we're gonna have him back again. 265 00:15:58,650 --> 00:16:01,050 In fact, he's, I believe I'm trying to get him scheduled for 266 00:16:01,050 --> 00:16:05,130 the end of the year. What I love about him is that when you start 267 00:16:05,130 --> 00:16:08,040 to understand the physiological manifestations as to how your 268 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,240 brain works, it's kind of like knowing how your car works. You 269 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,090 don't move a lever over here and go, Oh, I'm making a turn 270 00:16:15,090 --> 00:16:19,200 signal, you're gonna Wait, isn't that on this side? And they go, 271 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:24,000 Oh, semantics, and I go, No, it's like, you pull this lever, 272 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,610 you get a different action. That's called the shift. You 273 00:16:26,610 --> 00:16:30,660 know? That's the shifter. So why do I go there? To your point, 274 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:37,800 Jim is one of those folks, that is so real. And I can say this, 275 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,370 and it's a point of contention that I'm so proud of. We have 276 00:16:41,370 --> 00:16:44,460 had events where our speakers are now members of our 277 00:16:44,460 --> 00:16:45,090 community. 278 00:16:45,330 --> 00:16:48,990 Janice Porter: Hmm, that doesn't happen very often. No, that says 279 00:16:48,990 --> 00:16:49,950 a lot for sure. 280 00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:53,490 Chuck Hogan: It does to us, and that there's that trust in that 281 00:16:53,490 --> 00:16:58,080 integration. And they play full out just like everyone else. So 282 00:16:58,170 --> 00:17:00,480 someone was asked me they go, oh, so if I'm a speaker at one 283 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,090 of your events, Chuck, How's it different? I said, Well, there's 284 00:17:03,090 --> 00:17:06,780 a requirement, you get your your, you know, your speaker's 285 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:10,200 fee, and you and your entourage, we fly you out. First class, we 286 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:15,390 take care of you said, but we also have a demand that oh, that 287 00:17:15,390 --> 00:17:20,400 sounds drastic. And I said, I hope so. And that is we need to 288 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,210 get to know you. So you are going to come to dinner with us. 289 00:17:24,270 --> 00:17:27,120 You're going to come play with us, you're going to be partake 290 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:29,370 of the entire event. And you're going to be a participant when 291 00:17:29,370 --> 00:17:32,490 you're not on stage. They're like, Shut the front door or 292 00:17:32,490 --> 00:17:36,840 like no, come on and play with the rest of us. It has been so 293 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,130 beautiful Janice, to see these people who normally are held way 294 00:17:41,130 --> 00:17:44,520 up on high, and they fly in, they fly out, they get in to get 295 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,940 out, you know, they do a gig. Yeah. And we're like, No, you're 296 00:17:47,940 --> 00:17:50,100 here for an event. You're here for an experience. 297 00:17:50,130 --> 00:17:53,160 Janice Porter: I love that. I love that. Because it you know, 298 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,360 it's funny, you just made me think of something that we put 299 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,900 these, the, I'll call it celebrity we put people on a 300 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:05,130 pedestal. They're just, they're just people, they, you know, 301 00:18:05,130 --> 00:18:08,580 they maybe have lucked out, they'd been born under a lucky 302 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:12,180 star or they work damn hard to get where they where they are. 303 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,380 Or they have some you know, they just hit the market at the right 304 00:18:16,380 --> 00:18:21,780 time, whatever it was. They're just people. And if if we treat 305 00:18:21,780 --> 00:18:25,710 them that way, then I think they appreciate that. They used to 306 00:18:25,710 --> 00:18:30,780 remember when my older daughter was a baby, my parents lived in 307 00:18:30,780 --> 00:18:34,530 Beverly Hills. And we used to go down there just before 308 00:18:34,530 --> 00:18:38,490 Christmas, and we wheeled stroller through the streets of 309 00:18:38,490 --> 00:18:41,670 Beverly Hills. And we'd be looking for celebrities, you 310 00:18:41,670 --> 00:18:47,670 know, just for fun, but I would never like you know, gawk at 311 00:18:47,670 --> 00:18:51,750 them. Or, you know, I would smile and you know, sometimes it 312 00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:54,600 feels like you know them because you come across someone that 313 00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:57,990 that you know, from the screen or the television or whatever. 314 00:18:58,470 --> 00:19:04,290 But when they when they stopped me because my little girl in my 315 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,130 stroller was so cute and said something to me. It was just 316 00:19:08,130 --> 00:19:10,650 like, I wasn't going to say oh my god, you're so and so you 317 00:19:10,650 --> 00:19:14,820 know, and I'm just act like normal. And you go out to eat. 318 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:17,820 And the next table was someone famous, you know, you just have 319 00:19:17,820 --> 00:19:22,380 to deal with it. It bring everything down to a people 320 00:19:22,380 --> 00:19:25,800 level. And so I love that that's what you were talking about, is 321 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,330 not keeping them on a pedestal and allowing everything to flow, 322 00:19:30,330 --> 00:19:32,910 which is I think it's really it's really cool. 323 00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:35,580 Chuck Hogan: Well, it brings us to the last point out of the 324 00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:39,150 three points and that was there is no guru. There is no one 325 00:19:39,150 --> 00:19:41,850 person who's more important than this community than anyone else 326 00:19:43,170 --> 00:19:48,000 are revered. From our event planners to our see oh to my 327 00:19:48,030 --> 00:19:51,240 business partners and co founders of why VL to every 328 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:56,370 member of the community. We put out polls and we ask where do 329 00:19:56,370 --> 00:19:58,950 you want to go? What do you want to experience? Who would you 330 00:19:58,950 --> 00:20:03,330 love to hear from and these are the aspirational people that we 331 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,650 elicit and really work to bring into the environment. But here's 332 00:20:07,650 --> 00:20:10,770 the interesting part. Oftentimes we go Oh, could you get Oprah? 333 00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:15,390 Oh, could you get to, you know, Jay Shetty or or Joe Rogan? Or 334 00:20:15,390 --> 00:20:19,920 it's like, okay, why? Yeah. Why do they go? Oh, because their 335 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,070 insights, their distinctions, I go, okay, to your point, 336 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:28,380 celebrity. And we go, what if there were just a human being 337 00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:32,130 who's worked really hard? Who has so many distinctions and in 338 00:20:32,130 --> 00:20:34,950 fact, the sound bites that you're hearing from some of 339 00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:38,550 those names they're taking from these people? Because they're 340 00:20:38,550 --> 00:20:41,670 that elevated? I go, why would we get it straight from the 341 00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:47,430 horse's mouth? And they're like, God, Oh, why wouldn't we are 342 00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:48,690 like, well, there you go. 343 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:55,050 Janice Porter: So, um, so if if people join your community, then 344 00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:58,950 it's not all about events, though. You do work with people 345 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:05,190 individually or with family. And then you do community events and 346 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:08,430 trips and things like that. So wants to go goes, 347 00:21:08,670 --> 00:21:11,010 Chuck Hogan: right. So we actually have four trips a year. 348 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:16,680 We're getting back next week. Actually starting the 28th will 349 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,840 be in Santa Fe for our faith trip. And we have spent Alana 350 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:27,510 Newsom, who is an energy worker and faith leader, we have Dr. 351 00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:30,450 Michael Beckwith, who's coming Reverend Beckwith Oh, yeah. So 352 00:21:30,450 --> 00:21:33,450 he's actually our keynote speaker. And he'll be hanging 353 00:21:33,450 --> 00:21:36,090 out with us and having fun and then one of my associates 354 00:21:36,090 --> 00:21:41,550 Preston Brown, my entrepreneur, yeah. But he is so faith driven. 355 00:21:41,820 --> 00:21:46,080 And and it's one of those modalities where you go, okay, 356 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,700 great. So once a quarter, every 90 days, you have an opportunity 357 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:55,230 to immerse yourself in different lessons, learnings, 358 00:21:55,230 --> 00:22:00,210 environments, meals, outings, experiences. We just got back 359 00:22:00,210 --> 00:22:04,710 from Rwanda, and we did a two day excursion two days out with 360 00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:10,500 the mountain gorillas of Rwanda. And oh, I have after I'll send 361 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:11,850 you a video, Janice, it will 362 00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:16,410 Janice Porter: is that where cuz we're talking about celebrity is 363 00:22:16,410 --> 00:22:22,890 that where Elon has the thing the thing on on Entertainment 364 00:22:22,890 --> 00:22:26,370 Tonight yesterday, that's why I thought of it. Their sanctuary 365 00:22:26,370 --> 00:22:27,630 isn't it for Yeah, 366 00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:30,420 Chuck Hogan: we were right there we went to her the sanctuary, we 367 00:22:30,510 --> 00:22:35,670 checked it all out. And Diane Fauci and, and we went through 368 00:22:35,670 --> 00:22:42,750 the entire expos a and it's what I will say is interest eight, it 369 00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:45,480 was never something that was on my bucket list, it would have 370 00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:47,370 been on my bucket list, so I could check it off. Because it 371 00:22:47,370 --> 00:22:51,390 was, it was where I would have imagined when I was a little kid 372 00:22:51,390 --> 00:22:55,260 growing up. As you know, I was born in Japan, my dad's in the 373 00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:59,760 military, and my mom was a teacher in Japan, and coming 374 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,910 over to the states and going, Wow, you can be and live and 375 00:23:02,910 --> 00:23:05,100 have every experience you've ever desired in life. 376 00:23:05,730 --> 00:23:08,940 Janice Porter: It only requires one thing faith 377 00:23:10,050 --> 00:23:13,770 Chuck Hogan: faith that you deserve it faith that the world 378 00:23:13,770 --> 00:23:16,800 is your oyster, and if you choose to not no longer play 379 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:22,890 small, and trust yourself, and we all go through the three 380 00:23:22,890 --> 00:23:26,100 levels of change, we fake it till we make it we face it till 381 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:28,500 we make it and then we fake it till we make it 382 00:23:30,990 --> 00:23:33,810 Janice Porter: just stop there for a second and and let me ask 383 00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:38,610 you, because I know that you you started out in the world of 384 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,020 personal development and that was that was a big part of of 385 00:23:43,020 --> 00:23:47,010 your world, I think for a long time. And so with the big guru 386 00:23:47,010 --> 00:23:51,240 and and you were on the stage with them and everything. And I 387 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,290 have to think back to you know, I've had experience with 388 00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:59,670 personal development courses and the big stage and everybody 389 00:23:59,670 --> 00:24:02,250 we're all wrong and exactly the stories you were telling me 390 00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:07,800 about coming back and kind of D What do you call it when you 391 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,270 know when you have to you have to decompress and you know and 392 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:16,680 get come back to Earth and then all of a sudden you've it's not 393 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,410 as clear as it was when you were there and you know you put the 394 00:24:19,410 --> 00:24:23,880 book on the shelf like you said that kind of thing. So but but 395 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,680 having been immersed in that for so many years, I think Which way 396 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:35,280 did you go did it did did all of that really get inside you to 397 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,910 make you get to where you are now and what you're offering 398 00:24:38,910 --> 00:24:41,550 which is a better version of you think a better version a 399 00:24:41,550 --> 00:24:46,200 different version, a new a new entity of personal development, 400 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:57,300 or do you get did you get what's the word? Kind of jaded by what 401 00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:58,740 you saw with people? 402 00:24:58,860 --> 00:25:04,110 Chuck Hogan: The answer's yes. Oh, let me explain. So part of 403 00:25:04,110 --> 00:25:07,050 it is, is I was involved in environment for about 22 years 404 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,000 and a long time. It is a long time and my functionality within 405 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,620 that space was in servant leadership. So what do we mean 406 00:25:16,620 --> 00:25:20,400 by that, as someone who goes up through the ranks, you're 407 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,500 literally a volunteer, that they will compensate by putting you 408 00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:29,430 up in a hotel, giving you a stipend for food, and flying you 409 00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:33,810 in. And but for that, you're on between 20 and 22 hours a day. 410 00:25:34,050 --> 00:25:39,180 And so literally, you're putting in two full workdays. Let me 411 00:25:39,180 --> 00:25:42,060 rephrase that. I don't know if everyone else did. I know what I 412 00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:42,870 was doing. 413 00:25:43,860 --> 00:25:47,190 Janice Porter: Staff, you were volunteer? That is correct. And 414 00:25:47,610 --> 00:25:51,090 why I knew people who did that kind of thing. Okay. Yeah. Okay. 415 00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:51,600 So 416 00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:54,600 Chuck Hogan: then you get invited to become part of what I 417 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,320 will call their leadership team and their trainer body. And it's 418 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,350 all beautiful. I mean, the intention is great. The 419 00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:08,490 challenge becomes when you start to realize that everything has a 420 00:26:08,490 --> 00:26:13,140 discretionary value. So what do I mean by that? If I donate an 421 00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:17,340 hour of my time, and this is where it gets a little sketchy 422 00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:19,680 for people, Janice, most people don't know what they're worth an 423 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:25,470 hour. Even in their businesses, they have no clue, right? And so 424 00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:27,840 but they do know this, if they left for two weeks and came back 425 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,740 like, oh, eBay, oh my gosh, oh, there's so much going on. Oh, 426 00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:34,530 this is crazy. Oh, you know, I need a vacation from my 427 00:26:34,530 --> 00:26:39,330 vacation. And why do I go there, I started realizing that the 428 00:26:39,330 --> 00:26:43,890 currency that I was paying in was me. Skill set time 429 00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:46,110 intention. I spent 22 years cultivating 430 00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:49,830 Janice Porter: this dream. Well, being away, 431 00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:52,920 Chuck Hogan: contributing and serving towards it. Yeah. But at 432 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,210 the same token, sharpening me because metal sharpens metal. So 433 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,140 when I started looking at it going skill sets were sharp and 434 00:27:01,140 --> 00:27:03,690 improved. And there was a reason why they trust you in that 435 00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:09,690 environment. Where it got sketchy was when I decided to no 436 00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:12,330 longer dim my light when I actually started to listen and 437 00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:14,970 be very clear that all the things that were being said from 438 00:27:14,970 --> 00:27:20,940 stage, apply to everybody else, but not me. So the minute I 439 00:27:20,940 --> 00:27:23,880 decided to stop playing small the minute I started to co 440 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,010 elevate myself, the minute I started to collaborate with 441 00:27:26,010 --> 00:27:30,060 other people who were like minded and like hearted, my life 442 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:35,130 took a different trajectory. And I was asked, well, I will be 443 00:27:35,130 --> 00:27:39,930 quite blunt about this. My status was revoked. And it was 444 00:27:39,930 --> 00:27:40,710 like seeing 445 00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:43,890 Janice Porter: Are you saying that, that in all the time that 446 00:27:43,890 --> 00:27:50,520 you did all of that volunteers, servant leadership that you were 447 00:27:51,870 --> 00:28:02,040 perhaps searching and feeling less than, in a way? Well, 448 00:28:02,970 --> 00:28:06,420 Chuck Hogan: filling up on one level. So the world has anyone 449 00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:10,020 who knows me knows I'm a love bug, like I love helping people 450 00:28:10,260 --> 00:28:13,890 move through it grow through what they're going through. And 451 00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:17,400 on the other side of that, so that's why the Lord the 452 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,800 universe, put me on this planet was to help people and I go, 453 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,370 okay, so does that mean that you have to be impoverished to do 454 00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:25,440 it? Does that mean that you have to give up the rest of your 455 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,250 income stream in order to do this, right? The average person 456 00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:32,760 that for a while, while I listen, I was living it because 457 00:28:32,790 --> 00:28:37,110 I had a challenge. Bless you, I had a challenge. And the 458 00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:41,550 challenge was, it was beautiful thing. I was flattered by it. I 459 00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:46,350 was invited to about 13 events a year. And that was actually 460 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:49,320 running programs and helping in in some instance speaking on 461 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,770 stage and then opening up and you know, getting 15,000 people 462 00:28:52,770 --> 00:28:56,910 stayed induced to, you know, be ready to for an event. And so it 463 00:28:56,910 --> 00:28:59,010 was very flattering. But it wasn't about me it was about 464 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,930 being in service. And where it started to take a toll was I was 465 00:29:03,930 --> 00:29:07,770 like, uh, my wife's not here. She's at home. My kids aren't 466 00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:12,660 here. They're at home. Anyone who's ever met me knows I'm a 467 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:15,870 servant leader. But they also know I'm a family man first. And 468 00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:19,140 so I started realizing that I was giving up more and more and 469 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:24,450 more and not living congruently here I am telling other people 470 00:29:24,570 --> 00:29:26,940 that my family and I deserve the best of me and not what's left 471 00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:30,000 of me. And what are they getting? What's left of me? It's 472 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,870 like, oh, oh, this is not congruent. Something, you know, 473 00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:39,450 I got it. I have to take out the garbage. But I'm sorry, I lost 474 00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:40,680 your volume for some reason. 475 00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:48,300 Janice Porter: There you go. So as soon as the light bulb went 476 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:54,390 on for you, and things got it, it shifted and then everything 477 00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:58,170 changed because you ended up having to leave and start things 478 00:29:58,170 --> 00:30:00,870 differently for yourself and you went into I think executive 479 00:30:00,870 --> 00:30:02,700 search at that time, right? Well, we 480 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,580 Chuck Hogan: did. So what happened was is that we actually 481 00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:10,020 started EY BL first we actually, we did and what happened was his 482 00:30:10,170 --> 00:30:15,000 my two partners in crime we got together. And they asked me this 483 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,740 very poignant question. They said, Who do you need to be? And 484 00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:23,490 I was like, What do you mean? I am who I am they know who you 485 00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:27,870 have aspirations. Are you fulfilled living at this level? 486 00:30:27,870 --> 00:30:31,890 And I was like, well, it meets some of my needs, but not all of 487 00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:34,170 my needs. And they go, Well, what would need to shift they 488 00:30:34,170 --> 00:30:37,290 go, they'll, if you could dream and develop this, what would it 489 00:30:37,290 --> 00:30:41,160 look like? And exactly what I described you with Ydl? Yeah, 490 00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:46,230 just services, the environment, the people, the camaraderie, and 491 00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:50,370 this was an important facet to that we cap it at 100 members. 492 00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:53,760 Now that means that the member and then they can have their 493 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,390 spouse so roughly 200 People in this environment? Why is that 494 00:30:57,390 --> 00:31:01,110 important? We started to see some other environments that had 495 00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:07,440 oh my gosh, 700 1000 people? Well, number one, no one can put 496 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,360 on an event where you get to have that many people 497 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,020 consistently. Number two, it starts to become very cliquey. 498 00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:18,030 The people with the most money are hate it they got it was that 499 00:31:18,030 --> 00:31:21,120 the only thing I said no, that the you know, the fakers. So 500 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,490 they're making it they have a tendency to collaborate 501 00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:26,400 together. And it said, I just said, so what we started looking 502 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,500 at was how do we instill a sense of community. And we said by 503 00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:33,810 number one, everyone goes through an interview process, it 504 00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:35,820 doesn't make a difference if you can afford the membership or 505 00:31:35,820 --> 00:31:39,570 not. Number two, we're going to tell you, if it's worth it for 506 00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:44,670 you. We have an initial call, we say, what do you need? How do 507 00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:48,000 you need to feel most often? And we start to go down that road. 508 00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:50,940 And then we started to see okay, well, we can see why this is 509 00:31:50,970 --> 00:31:54,030 uncomfortable. We can see why the kids that you brought in the 510 00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:57,090 business and generational you know, communication gaps, and 511 00:31:57,090 --> 00:31:59,790 yada yada, yada and all of a sudden it's like, holy smokes. 512 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,090 And quite frankly, Janice, we've had people who've we've turned 513 00:32:03,090 --> 00:32:06,660 away from the environment that they wanted to come in in 514 00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:11,520 illicit solicit grandstand. And we're like going, this is not 515 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,270 the space for you. 516 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,970 Janice Porter: Yeah, view, is it global. 517 00:32:15,390 --> 00:32:18,870 Chuck Hogan: It is global. We, we initially start off in 518 00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:22,110 cottonelle. United States, and now we have members that are 519 00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:26,550 overseas as well. And, and it's growing through word of mouth 520 00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:30,930 referral, we have not marketed online, we have not put this out 521 00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:34,320 and prognosticated to everyone. And there's a reason for that, 522 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,120 too. We actually believe that like attracts like, and that 523 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,450 when you're resonating a certain frequency, people come to you, 524 00:32:42,570 --> 00:32:48,360 it has been amazing to see the people that have gone, you know, 525 00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:51,060 that is so different. Because they've been involved with so 526 00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:54,270 many different like my shoe you, you've called in so many 527 00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:58,800 different environments. And there's a formula for all say, 528 00:32:59,130 --> 00:33:04,170 creating codependency. Yeah, yeah, that's good point. Yeah. 529 00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:09,990 And we have chosen to eliminate codependency and cultivate 530 00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:10,620 community. 531 00:33:12,030 --> 00:33:16,170 Janice Porter: So I'm going to shift again, because we have to 532 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,900 wrap up a little bit. But, but But it's interesting, and I find 533 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:26,190 what you're doing fascinating. And and I because I'm such a 534 00:33:26,250 --> 00:33:31,200 person that loves people and relationships, I can see the 535 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,210 value of something like this. Is there a just out of curiosity? 536 00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:40,200 Is there an age preference that seems to happen? No. 537 00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:43,410 Chuck Hogan: Oh, is that that's been the crazy part. In fact, we 538 00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:45,390 have a couple of different programs, we actually have a 539 00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:49,050 weekly or a monthly program, which is called the seventh 540 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,260 degree, which is for aspirational business folks who 541 00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:56,280 are just starting off in their businesses. And when you 542 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,280 remember why well you get everything. So that's that's one 543 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,400 thing. The other thing is we do a weekly speaker spotlight, we 544 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,760 just had one this morning, and we use those four pillars of 545 00:34:05,790 --> 00:34:09,750 focal information to bring on different people to share 546 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:12,030 insights, distinctions and faith, family fitness and 547 00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:18,060 finance. And those are attended as well by the community. For 548 00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:23,490 us, it's about sharing information that can move 549 00:34:23,490 --> 00:34:24,990 everyone forward. But 550 00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:28,410 Janice Porter: it but it's not like some elder older people, 551 00:34:28,410 --> 00:34:31,470 some younger people or in disease are a blended 552 00:34:31,470 --> 00:34:34,200 Chuck Hogan: community. We have folks that have newborns we have 553 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,850 folks that have great grandkids. Okay. Okay. That's cool. That's 554 00:34:38,850 --> 00:34:43,020 the brain trust, because you're getting distinctions now. 555 00:34:43,350 --> 00:34:49,320 Janice Porter: Yeah. So I like to ask my my, my guests one 556 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,250 question. And we'll wrap up, maybe with one more little one 557 00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:58,320 after that. And that is about my favorite word curiosity. So I 558 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:04,860 think I'm curious So it is kind of a cornerstone for me. And I'd 559 00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:09,000 like to know two things. One, do you think it's innate? Or 560 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,200 learned? And part two, what are you most curious about these 561 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:13,650 days? 562 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,200 Chuck Hogan: Thank you. Good, brilliant question. By the way, 563 00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:22,170 I believe that we all have an innate curiosity, that we, by 564 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,370 our very nature, have been given the grace and gift of having 565 00:35:26,370 --> 00:35:31,110 these different modalities of kinesthetic, auditory, visual, 566 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,780 olfactory, and gustatory. And these are all to feed our 567 00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:38,790 sensory experience. But as human beings that are driven by 568 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:41,370 emotions and feelings, everything that we do, 569 00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:46,110 everything we experience is to elicit emotions. And so my focus 570 00:35:46,110 --> 00:35:50,820 now is really understanding. And in point of fact, I don't ask 571 00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:54,960 people how they're doing. When you play this back, you'll see 572 00:35:55,050 --> 00:35:57,900 if we've even if it came up in this conversation, as people are 573 00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:02,220 feeling. And the difference in the distinction in a word is 574 00:36:02,220 --> 00:36:03,930 that when you ask someone how they're doing, you're gonna get 575 00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:07,830 a cognitive response, right? Feeling, it's really going to 576 00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:10,290 the core essence of who they are and where they're living at that 577 00:36:10,290 --> 00:36:11,820 time. When I think one 578 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:15,630 Janice Porter: more piece to that would be, as well wait to 579 00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:21,090 hear what they actually say and listen to their answer. To one 580 00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:26,250 of the, and because often, you know, when someone asks that 581 00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:29,820 question of you either question, how are you doing? Or how are 582 00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:33,420 you feeling? And you actually answer them? They don't know 583 00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:38,880 what to do with that. No, right. So there you go. Okay. And so 584 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,520 what are you curious about these days? 585 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:45,240 Chuck Hogan: You know, I am curious about it. I've been 586 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,520 asked to write a book on this. So we'll see if this actually 587 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,490 comes to fruition. Modern masculinity. 588 00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:54,090 Janice Porter: Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, I can see that for 589 00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:54,390 you. 590 00:36:54,839 --> 00:36:57,689 Chuck Hogan: Feminine perspective. Yes. Oh, to ask 591 00:36:57,689 --> 00:37:02,129 your father as an example, who his role models were as far as 592 00:37:02,129 --> 00:37:06,449 masculine and masculinity. He might say Spencer, Tracy 593 00:37:06,449 --> 00:37:13,679 Humphrey Bogart, you know, Rock Hudson, before he came out after 594 00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:19,469 he came out. If I were to ask my father in his generation, he 595 00:37:19,469 --> 00:37:24,119 might go Tom Selleck. Sylvester Stallone, you know, Rocky 596 00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:30,449 Balboa? Who else? Are some of the athletes at the time to like 597 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,960 Janice Porter: Ross Garvey, Simpson? Oh, yeah. 598 00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:37,860 Chuck Hogan: Those were the star Joe name at the time. My 599 00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:42,000 generation is kind of a strange one. Because there's, I say when 600 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,370 you look at masculinity, like we grew up during the time of 601 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:49,200 action movies, and so you go John Claude Van Damme. Arnold 602 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,100 Schwarzenegger, 603 00:37:51,690 --> 00:37:55,890 Janice Porter: Vin Diesel. Well, he has I guess he's worn out. 604 00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:56,250 Yeah. 605 00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:59,700 Chuck Hogan: Right. Or at the time because it was so 606 00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:03,480 revolutionary, like Baywatch. So David Hasselhoff and you're like 607 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,500 God, like really as like a when it first came out, everyone was 608 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,830 glued to the television set. Especially when he was a night 609 00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:16,080 writer. So why do I go there for my son? Millennials xennials. 610 00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:21,060 Look at it from the standpoint of worthy causes. And they go 611 00:38:21,060 --> 00:38:24,930 Oh, Ilan, Maya and Rannells. Yeah. The people that are 612 00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:27,750 influencing and changing the world and taking mammoth action, 613 00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:31,170 and it's like, and they're doing their forces for good. It's not 614 00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:34,170 just the money that comes with it. And what they're seeing is 615 00:38:34,170 --> 00:38:37,350 that with worthy causes, you can make a ton of money. You know, 616 00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:40,290 who takes on the automotive industry? Well, Elon, and by the 617 00:38:40,290 --> 00:38:43,680 way, NASA at the same time. Yeah. Okay. 618 00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:47,340 Janice Porter: Yeah, he's an he's an enigma, though. Really? 619 00:38:47,340 --> 00:38:48,000 He is. 620 00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:51,780 Chuck Hogan: You really is. And? And that's where you go? Is he 621 00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:55,680 insane? Or ingenious? Yeah, I know. I go. Probably a little. 622 00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:59,430 Janice Porter: Yeah, exactly. A bit of both. Yeah. So lots of 623 00:38:59,430 --> 00:39:02,940 fun, we could can carry on this conversation for a long time. So 624 00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:06,960 I like that idea of that book. I think it's interesting. It's 625 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,420 funny, I thought you were gonna say that one of their role 626 00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:12,090 models was somebody who had like, transitioned or something, 627 00:39:12,090 --> 00:39:15,060 because that's happening now to all the time, right, you know, 628 00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:19,800 so who knows? And, and there's some actually really interesting 629 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,060 role models there, too, you know, yeah. So we'll, we'll save 630 00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:27,600 that for another time. So thank you. Thank you so much for being 631 00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:30,450 on the show. Thank you for sharing about you and your 632 00:39:30,450 --> 00:39:35,040 community. And I guess one last thought, What would you like to 633 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,900 leave with my audience as maybe it could be a business thought 634 00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:43,110 or just, you know, philosophical thought for 635 00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:47,670 Chuck Hogan: a prefer to go philosophical and that is, be a 636 00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:54,210 little kinder to yourself today. In the pursuit of change and 637 00:39:54,210 --> 00:39:58,260 self improvement, we oftentimes are finding fault so that way we 638 00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:02,550 can move towards something that we Can Fix. And I'll just 639 00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:07,560 propose, what if you're not broken? What if by you just 640 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,860 living in this beautiful space of who you are, and honoring 641 00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:16,950 those around you and yourself, that you can grow, to where you 642 00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:19,890 deserve the best of you, and so as your family and not what's 643 00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:24,030 left to view it's something that changed my life about 20 years 644 00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:27,900 ago. And I can tell you, that when it comes up, and I get Uber 645 00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:32,850 busy, and we all do, slow down, just slow down, take a moment 646 00:40:32,850 --> 00:40:35,220 and breathe. And ask yourself how you need to feel most often 647 00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:39,120 today. And dedicate your time and your intention to that for 648 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,980 just that day and see how you feel at the end of the day. 649 00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:44,250 Janice Porter: Nice. Thank you. Thank you, Chuck. 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