1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,930 Ralph: Do you dread, sorting through intimidating notices from the IRS? 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,740 Are you puzzled over complex rules for estimated taxes? 3 00:00:08,219 --> 00:00:09,899 Take heart, my friend, you're not alone. 4 00:00:09,930 --> 00:00:11,639 This can get really confusing. 5 00:00:12,179 --> 00:00:20,520 Well, join me today is I demystify quarterly tax payments, safe Harbor guidelines, and more, this is a show you don't want to miss. 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:26,640 Get ready to master the estimating process and safeguard your business and your personal life from penalties. 7 00:00:26,970 --> 00:00:29,550 I'm going to even share a personal story with you later in the show. 8 00:00:29,580 --> 00:00:30,000 Yes. 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,700 Even, I have to consider this issue. 10 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:53,580 Intro: Welcome to the Ask Ralph Podcast, where listening to an experienced financial professional with over 30 years of experience can help you make sense of confusing questions, current headlines, and industry trends about taxes, small business, financial decision making, investment strategies, and even the art of proper budgeting. 11 00:00:53,880 --> 00:01:00,670 Ask Ralph makes the complex simple by sharing his real world knowledge from a Christian perspective with all things financial. 12 00:01:00,910 --> 00:01:03,459 Now here's your host, Ralph Estep, Jr. 13 00:01:05,302 --> 00:01:07,102 Ralph: Welcome to our tax talk Thursday show. 14 00:01:07,102 --> 00:01:08,632 I'm so glad you chose to join us. 15 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:12,202 I just want to thank you for listening and more importantly, supporting the program. 16 00:01:12,682 --> 00:01:17,572 I'm coming to you from the Estep farm in his Saggio accounting studio on this beautiful sunny day. 17 00:01:18,022 --> 00:01:26,032 Let me put on my podcaster hat or my flag hat is I have own today, put down those overalls and the adding machine gets moved to the side. 18 00:01:26,332 --> 00:01:29,602 And let's get into some financial wisdom from a Christian perspective. 19 00:01:30,052 --> 00:01:34,462 Today, we're tackling a topic that strikes fear in the taxpayers across America. 20 00:01:34,882 --> 00:01:37,852 And that's quarterly estimated IRS payments. 21 00:01:38,422 --> 00:01:39,862 As small business owners. 22 00:01:40,162 --> 00:01:43,402 Individuals with untaxed income or self-employed workers. 23 00:01:43,732 --> 00:01:48,532 You're required to prepay taxes on income, not subject to withholding. 24 00:01:48,922 --> 00:01:56,362 That means actually projecting your yearly earnings, calculating complex percentages and submitting payments each quarter. 25 00:01:56,722 --> 00:01:57,152 Missed or. 26 00:01:57,172 --> 00:02:03,322 Inaccurate installments, often trigger frustrating penalties and those nuisance notices from the IRS. 27 00:02:03,862 --> 00:02:07,852 The estimating process can feel like walking through a confusing maze blindfolded. 28 00:02:08,332 --> 00:02:12,952 From incomprehensible, IRS notices to elusive waiver requirements. 29 00:02:13,282 --> 00:02:15,202 It's enough to make your head spin. 30 00:02:15,562 --> 00:02:17,902 Well, my friends spin no more in today's show. 31 00:02:18,232 --> 00:02:21,112 I'll shed some light to brighten that dark maze. 32 00:02:21,382 --> 00:02:29,332 We're going to explore critical guidelines for quarterly tax payments, qualification rules for penalty, waivers, and key safe Harbor provisions. 33 00:02:29,332 --> 00:02:31,312 To keep you out of paying penalties. 34 00:02:31,822 --> 00:02:39,532 I'm also getting personal by sharing my own turbulent journey, grappling with estimates as a budding entrepreneur, after just starting my accounting practice. 35 00:02:40,072 --> 00:02:42,862 From painful penalties to hard learned best practices. 36 00:02:43,102 --> 00:02:45,742 It's a ride filled with turbulent twist and turns. 37 00:02:46,132 --> 00:02:46,882 My prayer today. 38 00:02:46,882 --> 00:02:50,422 And my goal is that you avoid similar pitfalls on your financial path. 39 00:02:50,782 --> 00:02:53,332 So grab your calculators and notebooks folks. 40 00:02:53,592 --> 00:02:54,862 Class is in session. 41 00:02:55,192 --> 00:02:58,162 Let's master the quarterly tax estimating process together. 42 00:02:58,522 --> 00:02:59,752 Financial freedom. 43 00:02:59,752 --> 00:03:00,532 Here we come. 44 00:03:00,782 --> 00:03:03,662 Now don't forget to subscribe to the show and join our email list. 45 00:03:03,932 --> 00:03:08,462 You do that at askralphpodcast.com . So you don't miss tomorrow show tomorrow. 46 00:03:08,462 --> 00:03:17,012 I'm going to be talking about the importance of getting on the same page as a couple, when it comes to your finances and some practical ways to make that happen. 47 00:03:17,282 --> 00:03:18,902 This is vitally important. 48 00:03:18,902 --> 00:03:21,272 So I encourage you to listen to the show tomorrow. 49 00:03:21,732 --> 00:03:22,482 I want to remind you. 50 00:03:22,482 --> 00:03:29,982 We also just launched an insider's group on Facebook and I encourage each of our listeners to join the group, to continue the conversation from the show. 51 00:03:30,222 --> 00:03:32,262 You can share ideas for the show. 52 00:03:32,472 --> 00:03:35,952 You can discuss your triumphs and overall have a great conversation. 53 00:03:36,372 --> 00:03:38,952 I'll put a link to the Facebook group in the show notes today. 54 00:03:39,612 --> 00:03:42,042 Well, let's start our discussion today with a Bible verse. 55 00:03:42,282 --> 00:03:46,332 This comes to us from second Corinthians chapter nine, verse seven, and it says this. 56 00:03:46,782 --> 00:03:49,932 Each one must give, as he is decided in his heart. 57 00:03:50,202 --> 00:03:54,702 Not reluctantly or under compulsion for God loves a cheerful giver. 58 00:03:55,182 --> 00:03:57,822 You know, that's not exactly talking about estimated taxes. 59 00:03:57,822 --> 00:03:59,532 That's talking about giving to charity. 60 00:04:00,012 --> 00:04:02,752 But it was appropriate for today's discussion. 61 00:04:02,885 --> 00:04:09,065 So to kick things off let's review key guidelines for making quarterly estimated tax payments to good old uncle Sam. 62 00:04:09,665 --> 00:04:16,655 As a refresher self-employed taxpayers and small business owners typically receive income, not subject to withholding. 63 00:04:16,835 --> 00:04:21,005 They're not getting those W2 forms and not getting that weekly or bi-weekly paystub. 64 00:04:21,485 --> 00:04:26,075 It also applies a taxpayer who has income, which is untaxed at the time of receipt. 65 00:04:26,345 --> 00:04:34,625 This could be things such as bank interest, maybe dividends, stock sales, and a host of other items maybe sold a property, or you sold your primary residence. 66 00:04:34,625 --> 00:04:38,765 And there's a tax burden that includes revenue from clients, customers side. 67 00:04:38,795 --> 00:04:39,785 Jobs you name it. 68 00:04:40,385 --> 00:04:43,355 Since these earnings aren't taxed up front via paycheck. 69 00:04:43,355 --> 00:04:44,045 Withholdings. 70 00:04:44,345 --> 00:04:48,665 The IRS requires us to pre pay taxes through what they call quarterly installments. 71 00:04:48,995 --> 00:04:53,615 That way they receive steady income instead of waiting until you file your annual tax return. 72 00:04:54,065 --> 00:04:56,105 They don't want to be the last one to get paid. 73 00:04:56,645 --> 00:04:57,725 And the truth is folks. 74 00:04:57,725 --> 00:04:59,045 They levy heavy penalties. 75 00:04:59,045 --> 00:05:00,455 If your payments fall short. 76 00:05:00,755 --> 00:05:04,055 So this accuracy and these paying a quarterlies is critical. 77 00:05:04,445 --> 00:05:06,605 Here are three key things to know. 78 00:05:06,815 --> 00:05:07,415 Number one. 79 00:05:08,015 --> 00:05:11,645 Estimated taxes are paid in four installments on the following dates. 80 00:05:11,675 --> 00:05:15,185 And I know you're getting ready to tell me, Ralph, those dates make no sense. 81 00:05:15,185 --> 00:05:16,265 They're not the end of quarters. 82 00:05:16,265 --> 00:05:16,685 You're right. 83 00:05:16,715 --> 00:05:17,945 But this is the dates they set. 84 00:05:18,245 --> 00:05:24,605 And that's April 15th, June 15th, September 15th and January 15th of the following year. 85 00:05:25,055 --> 00:05:27,755 So mark those deadlines in your calendar folks. 86 00:05:28,025 --> 00:05:28,745 Number two. 87 00:05:29,075 --> 00:05:34,535 Each payment must equal 25% of your total expected tax liability for the year. 88 00:05:34,865 --> 00:05:40,295 That's an estimate of the total income taxes you'll owe federal state self-employment and any other. 89 00:05:40,295 --> 00:05:44,435 So yes, some states actually require you to make these quarterly estimates as well. 90 00:05:44,705 --> 00:05:49,535 And in my experience, some states are a little, even more aggressive on going after these things. 91 00:05:49,745 --> 00:05:56,855 And number three, if your income varies drastically between quarters, your installments are able to fluctuate. 92 00:05:56,885 --> 00:06:01,565 Just be sure total payments meet certain thresholds by the final January deadline. 93 00:06:01,835 --> 00:06:04,235 We'll talk about more of that in a bit, but if your income. 94 00:06:04,505 --> 00:06:05,915 Isn't always the same. 95 00:06:06,065 --> 00:06:07,565 You can vary your estimates. 96 00:06:07,595 --> 00:06:14,435 I always tell clients this, the bottom line is that you want to try to get all those estimated taxes paid within the timeline they require. 97 00:06:14,795 --> 00:06:17,795 Now let's get personal, and rewind towards the early days of my business. 98 00:06:17,795 --> 00:06:19,745 I told you I'd share some personal information. 99 00:06:20,255 --> 00:06:24,115 As an optimistic young entrepreneur, I felt invincible and ambitious. 100 00:06:24,455 --> 00:06:28,235 My client roster grew steadily while income mounted month after month. 101 00:06:28,775 --> 00:06:31,685 Before I knew it taxes were the furthest thing from my mind. 102 00:06:31,685 --> 00:06:33,815 I worry about everybody else's taxes, but not mine. 103 00:06:34,295 --> 00:06:39,635 I was solely focused on servicing customers, not number crunching percentages for good old uncle Sam. 104 00:06:40,235 --> 00:06:44,105 By mid April, hadn't even given quarterly payments, a single thought. 105 00:06:44,525 --> 00:06:50,255 Well that blissful bubble soon burst my well-meaning wife gently nudged me to examine my tax obligations more closely. 106 00:06:50,255 --> 00:06:50,975 And she said, Ralph. 107 00:06:51,425 --> 00:06:53,195 Don't you have a tax payment to make. 108 00:06:53,885 --> 00:06:56,305 What I discovered downright terrified me. 109 00:06:56,305 --> 00:07:00,995 If I didn't whip estimated tax payments in the shape, quickly painful IRS penalty. 110 00:07:00,995 --> 00:07:02,135 surely awaited. 111 00:07:02,525 --> 00:07:04,775 Talk about a panic filled, few days, folks. 112 00:07:05,135 --> 00:07:10,655 I scrambled to calculate earnings estimate my yearly tax liability and submit a massive first payment. 113 00:07:11,165 --> 00:07:16,685 Luckily disaster was narrowly averted because my wife reminded me, but oh, I learned the hard way. 114 00:07:17,165 --> 00:07:20,285 Quarterly estimates wait for no one, not even me. 115 00:07:20,285 --> 00:07:21,545 And this is what I do for a living. 116 00:07:22,265 --> 00:07:25,325 Diligence is required well in advance of deadlines. 117 00:07:25,685 --> 00:07:36,065 Now, as vital as, projections and percentages are quarterly, estimates would be incomplete without discussing the infamous notice and the form 2210 talk about dreadful. 118 00:07:36,365 --> 00:07:40,805 I assure you friends opening your mailbox to find this unexpected letter is not a joy. 119 00:07:41,075 --> 00:07:43,475 And I get calls from clients routinely about these. 120 00:07:43,925 --> 00:07:49,685 Form 2210 means the IRS believes you significantly underpaid, estimated taxes for the year. 121 00:07:50,105 --> 00:07:54,185 And without proper action penalties are going to swiftly follow. 122 00:07:54,635 --> 00:07:58,355 Few taxpayers, understand what triggers this notice or how to respond correctly. 123 00:07:58,565 --> 00:08:01,775 So allow me to shed some light on potential causes and solutions. 124 00:08:01,775 --> 00:08:03,005 We're going to dive right into it. 125 00:08:03,575 --> 00:08:07,475 The first one is income spike that wildly outpaces estimates. 126 00:08:07,865 --> 00:08:13,895 If you're a business explodes mid year, far beyond your projection, you've inevitably fall behind on quarterly payments. 127 00:08:14,285 --> 00:08:18,515 You scrambled to submit more before each successive deadline to minimize your penalties. 128 00:08:18,875 --> 00:08:20,825 You might even request a penalty waiver. 129 00:08:21,005 --> 00:08:22,085 If certain rules are met. 130 00:08:22,085 --> 00:08:23,675 We'll talk about those later in the show. 131 00:08:24,065 --> 00:08:27,665 Number two major life changes, decreasing taxable income. 132 00:08:28,025 --> 00:08:32,375 Did you experience prolonged illness or disability that dramatically lowered your earnings? 133 00:08:32,675 --> 00:08:34,115 Life throws us curve balls. 134 00:08:34,115 --> 00:08:36,065 Sometimes that's just the inevitability. 135 00:08:36,515 --> 00:08:44,015 Consider filling out an IRS waiver, highlighting special circumstances that hindered your ability to estimate taxes accurately. 136 00:08:44,435 --> 00:08:48,755 The IRS has to abide by something called fair administration of tax. 137 00:08:49,115 --> 00:08:53,705 And if it's not fair, you can ask for a waiver and ask them to waive those penalties. 138 00:08:53,705 --> 00:08:57,875 And number three safe Harbor provisions may offer penalty protection. 139 00:08:58,325 --> 00:09:05,075 Even with underpayment, you can still avoid penalties by meeting a minimum payment thresholds under what they call the safe Harbor rules. 140 00:09:05,345 --> 00:09:08,525 So let's unpack those all important, safe Harbor provisions. 141 00:09:08,915 --> 00:09:15,545 The aptly named safe Harbor guidelines can truly rescue taxpayers from penalties for underpaid, quarterly estimates. 142 00:09:15,905 --> 00:09:20,075 Here's what they essentially mandate you to prepay at least 90%. 143 00:09:20,435 --> 00:09:26,945 Of your current year liability or a hundred percent of the prior year amount, whichever is less. 144 00:09:27,365 --> 00:09:30,875 Follow that rule of thumb and you navigate clear penalties at tax time. 145 00:09:31,235 --> 00:09:33,305 When clients come in and get their taxes done. 146 00:09:33,605 --> 00:09:34,655 And they owe money. 147 00:09:34,685 --> 00:09:35,975 That's one of the key things. 148 00:09:35,975 --> 00:09:38,405 We look at what I have found in my practice. 149 00:09:38,405 --> 00:09:40,115 A lot of clients don't understand this. 150 00:09:40,385 --> 00:09:42,215 I will give them quarterly estimates. 151 00:09:42,215 --> 00:09:44,345 And they'll say to me, Ralph, don't worry about that. 152 00:09:44,675 --> 00:09:46,235 I'll just pay him at the end of the year. 153 00:09:46,385 --> 00:09:47,375 Well, that sounds good. 154 00:09:47,645 --> 00:09:48,965 But I don't want to get sued. 155 00:09:49,115 --> 00:09:50,915 So I'm going to give you these quarterly estimates. 156 00:09:50,915 --> 00:09:57,605 So that next time, when you get that IRS notice and you call me and you say, Ralph, they're charging me a penalty, I can say to you. 157 00:09:57,605 --> 00:09:58,175 That's right. 158 00:09:58,205 --> 00:10:00,605 And that's why I gave you those quarterly estimates to pay. 159 00:10:00,965 --> 00:10:05,915 So say your income decreased substantially this year after a more profitable prior period. 160 00:10:06,275 --> 00:10:15,005 Using safe Harbor provision you'd base quarterly payments off that lower current year figure rather than the now outdated, larger amount from 12 months ago. 161 00:10:15,395 --> 00:10:17,045 Uncle Sam provides that flexibility. 162 00:10:17,045 --> 00:10:21,575 So taxpayers aren't penalized for overpaying outdated estimates. 163 00:10:21,875 --> 00:10:24,875 So keep those guidelines on top of mind when you're calculating them. 164 00:10:25,295 --> 00:10:26,675 Now last but not least. 165 00:10:27,005 --> 00:10:32,825 What if you simply cannot afford quarterly payments equal to 25% of your expected taxes? 166 00:10:33,275 --> 00:10:36,635 The IRS understands cashflow crunches all too well. 167 00:10:37,025 --> 00:10:45,695 Individuals at less than a thousand dollars total tax liability can bypass quarterly payments all together for incomes up to 150,000. 168 00:10:45,935 --> 00:10:50,135 You may qualify to base installments on 90% of the current year taxes due. 169 00:10:50,585 --> 00:10:54,125 That's a bit of leniency goes a long way for struggling taxpayers. 170 00:10:54,545 --> 00:10:56,915 So let's talk about some action steps. 171 00:10:57,095 --> 00:11:01,025 I can give you all kinds of great information, but I want to give you action steps. 172 00:11:01,025 --> 00:11:01,535 You can take. 173 00:11:01,895 --> 00:11:05,975 So if quarterly estimates fill you with frustration, take heart. 174 00:11:06,005 --> 00:11:07,715 There are simple solutions. 175 00:11:08,075 --> 00:11:11,015 Here are five action steps for pain-free payments. 176 00:11:11,255 --> 00:11:11,825 Number one. 177 00:11:12,305 --> 00:11:17,435 Carefully estimate your full year taxable income and expected liability. 178 00:11:17,945 --> 00:11:21,725 I would recommend you some tax prep software, or an accountant here. 179 00:11:21,905 --> 00:11:24,515 This is where I strongly recommend meeting with a tax pro. 180 00:11:24,545 --> 00:11:25,235 Number two. 181 00:11:25,475 --> 00:11:29,255 Divide that yearly figure evenly by four installments. 182 00:11:29,285 --> 00:11:34,745 This isn't rocket science or modify as needed between quarters given income fluctuations. 183 00:11:35,105 --> 00:11:36,965 Number three, double check your work. 184 00:11:37,025 --> 00:11:38,435 You don't want to make a mistake. 185 00:11:38,825 --> 00:11:42,965 Submit payments by each deadline and breathe easier at tax time. 186 00:11:43,385 --> 00:11:44,375 While we're here. 187 00:11:44,405 --> 00:11:48,935 I would highly recommend you create an account with irs.gov. 188 00:11:48,965 --> 00:11:53,345 I did a show about that a few weeks ago and make those payments electronically. 189 00:11:53,615 --> 00:11:57,605 And if you've got to make state payments, I encourage you to do that electronically as well. 190 00:11:57,605 --> 00:12:03,605 That way the IRS or the state can't argue that the payment wasn't made and then what you want to do is follow up. 191 00:12:03,635 --> 00:12:04,985 Make sure it hits your bank account. 192 00:12:05,015 --> 00:12:05,705 number four. 193 00:12:06,125 --> 00:12:11,285 You want to research penalty, waivers and safe Harbor rules in case your situation warrants, their protection. 194 00:12:11,765 --> 00:12:13,445 Knowledge is power. 195 00:12:13,565 --> 00:12:16,145 If you listen to my show, you know, I talk about this all the time. 196 00:12:16,475 --> 00:12:18,005 And finally number five. 197 00:12:18,395 --> 00:12:20,015 Reach out with questions. 198 00:12:20,365 --> 00:12:23,975 I'm, always ready to clarify confusing tax topics at our website. 199 00:12:24,245 --> 00:12:25,085 And you know what that is. 200 00:12:25,085 --> 00:12:29,345 That's askralphpodcast.com . You've got this, my friends. 201 00:12:29,645 --> 00:12:30,545 And let me help you. 202 00:12:31,055 --> 00:12:37,085 Well, let's recap a bit what a whirlwind discussion on the ever complex world of quarterly estimated payments. 203 00:12:37,385 --> 00:12:39,185 These things really annoy people. 204 00:12:39,365 --> 00:12:41,225 I've had many kinds that said, you know what? 205 00:12:41,585 --> 00:12:44,405 The IRS can pack sand, I'll pay them at the end of the year. 206 00:12:44,705 --> 00:12:45,725 And I just remind them. 207 00:12:45,725 --> 00:12:50,705 That's fine, but don't argue with me when you get that bill in the mail for underpayment penalties. 208 00:12:51,035 --> 00:12:51,875 So in summary. 209 00:12:51,955 --> 00:12:56,965 self-employed taxpayers must divide total expected, yearly tax liability evenly. 210 00:12:57,265 --> 00:12:59,755 Into four installments with deadlines. 211 00:12:59,755 --> 00:13:07,405 As we talked about on the 15th of April, the 15th of June, the 15th of September and the 15th of January of the following year. 212 00:13:07,945 --> 00:13:15,055 Aim to have at least 90% of eventual taxes for the current year paid by that January deadline to avoid penalties. 213 00:13:15,365 --> 00:13:18,785 And if you need to use those safe Harbor provisions as a shield. 214 00:13:19,085 --> 00:13:21,515 If your income decreased substantially. 215 00:13:21,905 --> 00:13:23,555 And explore other penalty relief. 216 00:13:23,705 --> 00:13:27,575 If a major life events impeded your ability to pay estimates properly. 217 00:13:28,085 --> 00:13:32,285 I pray today's show brought some clarity about quarterly payments while inspiring you. 218 00:13:32,585 --> 00:13:35,615 To stay on top of estimates without anxiety. 219 00:13:35,975 --> 00:13:40,835 You got this, my friends, God graciously equips us to handle all the numbers. 220 00:13:41,045 --> 00:13:42,945 The percentages and notices sure to. 221 00:13:42,965 --> 00:13:47,915 Come, just take things step by step and breathe deep through each deadline. 222 00:13:48,155 --> 00:13:48,935 Before signing off. 223 00:13:48,965 --> 00:13:54,785 I want to remind you again, to swing by askralphpodcast.com to access our show notes from today's episode. 224 00:13:55,235 --> 00:14:05,495 And if you know someone who's having issues with quarterly tax filings, I encourage you to share this episode with them and please share this show with friends or family who needs some financial guidance. 225 00:14:05,825 --> 00:14:08,975 And finally drop me a line with lingering tax questions. 226 00:14:09,005 --> 00:14:10,865 Anytime you can do that right on the website. 227 00:14:11,115 --> 00:14:15,975 And as I always say, stay financially, faithful out there, folks, and God bless you today. 228 00:14:17,675 --> 00:14:20,525 Outro: Thank you for joining us on the AskRalph podcast. 229 00:14:20,655 --> 00:14:24,295 And with a simple click to subscribe, we'll invite you back to our next episode. 230 00:14:24,475 --> 00:14:27,545 And remember, financial issues don't have to be complicated. 231 00:14:27,845 --> 00:14:28,885 Just AskRalph. 232 00:14:29,305 --> 00:14:34,915 The information contained in this episode of AskRalph is based on data available as of the date of its release. 233 00:14:34,975 --> 00:14:37,885 Sagio Accounting Plus and AskRalph Media Inc. 234 00:14:38,045 --> 00:14:41,395 is under no obligation to update this content if changes occur. 235 00:14:41,485 --> 00:14:52,135 Applying this information to your specific situation requires careful consideration of all facts and circumstances, and any information provided is not to be considered as financial, tax, or legal advice. 236 00:14:52,275 --> 00:14:56,225 Please consult your tax advisor or attorney before acting on any material covered.