Okay, Heather Shepard, welcome

back to the QVC podcast.

All right, so this is going to be fun. I always have such a good

time talking to you. Let's start

for, you know, people who have joined recently

and haven't heard your crazy story, let's just start

with that and how you came into the world of

light and quantum healing and now

quantum regenerative farming. I like that.

I like that we use that. Yeah,

absolutely. So, so I'll do a, a short

synopsis. So I think like many of us,

I've had like many lives this lifetime. So

when, when I was 23, up till that point I was training

professional athletes and you know, weightlifting and training

and endurance and, and that was my world. And I was working for

an amazing corporate company. You know what I thought at the time? And I

was like, yes, I've like got this figured out

is this is it, you know, working with

NFL guys and NBA and this like tiny little five

foot me, like training these guys

and I'm like, awesome. And.

But that changed and

long at all. One day I was driving to work

and you know, it was so weird. When I look back on,

on that day, it's so vivid. I like remember laying in my bed and

I'm like, oh, I don't want to get out of bed today. Which is

not a normal feeling for me. I'm like a 5:30am or like,

let's go, let's milk these cows, let's watch sunrise,

you know, so, so I was like,

oh, like, you know, whatever. Didn't pay attention to my intuition

at the time and definitely still working on that, but

pushed right through it. And I'm driving to work and just

myself in the car, lost control of my car and

split a telephone pole in two. It was

some, oh no, oh yeah. Some sort of act of God. Like

obviously this was not the trajectory

of my life and that event made it

very clear. So I hit my head on the

steering wheel, passed out. The jaws of

life had to come get me out of the car. I had a really bad

tbi. All my scans were clear,

however, thankfully. But I had a lot of

residual effect from that accident.

I couldn't work out the way I used to, even though I had all

these clearance letters from doctors like, you're clear, you're clear, no problem.

And I was like, oh, but I can't do that

right. That story we hear so often where it's like, your labs

are fine, your scans are clear, you're good. And the patient is like,

I don't Feel good? Yeah. It's like, wait, I

literally can hardly walk to the bathroom without getting a

migraine or vertigo. And this, like, went

on for years.

And at the time I was. I was 23, I had no idea. Like, I

tried everything alternative because there's really no

western approach to. Not that there's any good western approach

for any condition, but really.

For a tbi, it's just like, well, good luck, you know,

and. Yeah, well, your scans are clear, so see

ya. Yeah, we can't help you. Nothing else we can do here,

so. Oh, man. So then it was just like, am I ever gonna

get better? It was literally like five, six, seven years just kept going

by. And I learned how to manage, but

definitely symptomatic every day. And then it went into the mental emotional

realm because I'm like, what? Like something's really wrong with

me. And I started having panic attacks and it was. It was really

debilitating. And so

I finally tried acupuncture, which provided some relief, which

took me into acupuncture school and those

treatments, I love acupuncture, but they were short lasting for

my tbi. And

I just happened to have a really bad breakup when I was in

acupuncture school. And I was like, I'm moving

to the desert because I was in Portland, Oregon, going to acupuncture school. And I

was like, I'm going to the desert. I got to get out of here. This

was like, not a fun experience.

And so I get to the desert and it's like, you know,

Portland, like, I know some people love rain. I think

it's like, it's not good for, for my constitution,

personally. And I got to New Mexico and I was

like, oh, my God, the sun comes out

every day. Every day, Every day. It's not

damp ever. Ever. It's like, there's no.

Hardly any mold, no damp. It's like, whoa.

Okay. So my body, like really resonated with

the dryness with the sun on. And it

wasn't long after that I just happened to hear a podcast

of like light water magnetism. I

think it was a. With Jack Cruz, you know, And I was like,

wait a minute, I'm in the, like, ideal, like a pretty ideal environment

for this. And I started

diving into that. I started, okay, sunrise. And I like,

I couldn't do much, so that's all I did. It was like I was in

a position where I couldn't show up to a job. I couldn't stay there

very long, you know, without having symptoms. So I Was like,

the hell with it. I'm just going to do this thing.

And I was watching the sunrise and then I started to piece together. Oh,

you have the sunrise, the uva, the uvb, then you go back

down towards in the other direction. And

I, I stayed outside as I like, just

stayed outside most of the day. And

I'm like, I'm not kidding. By day three, I was like,

let's go. Oh my God.

I was worried. I was like, this cannot be

from sunlight. After like 10 years of

trying, like, spending all my student loan money,

went to healing. It was like, oh, I'm not gonna show up to class.

I'm just gonna go get sessions and eat good food and,

and. But none of that helped. And then I get this

free thing outside of my door and it's

like, oh, what? It was, it was

what? Yeah, that's crazy. So it was like, within a

few days. Oh yeah. Your symptoms were starting to clear up. You could,

you could have a normal day as opposed to a day filled with

headaches and dizziness and I could. Have a normal

day. I could actually now start practice and make money

and like, you know, all of these like, my whole life changed.

And it was like just from

learning how to use sunlight to heal my brain

and the mitochondria were just like, oh, my God, feed me, feed me, feed me.

Yeah. And that's how my

journey into the quantum world really started.

And it's definitely

taken off from there. But, yeah, that's how I got,

that's how I got here. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And, and

I've heard your story before, but I actually forgot how really

crazy it is. Right. Like to have this longstanding

issue. Yeah. And now that we understand, so. And maybe we can

talk about that a little bit. And like, you know, it, it

sounds like at first you were like, okay, really light.

I'll, I'll do that experiment. It's free. I'm in New Mexico.

Let's. Let's see what happens now. And then you

got like, just insane recovery time

and results. So how would you explain now, like, what your

understanding of is, like, what happened when you put your body

outside in that sunlight? Oh, my gosh. So

I'll say at first my body, like,

soaked it up like a sponge. And I'd say, like,

after two years I was of doing this regularly, I

was a completely different person. And I could actually scale my

practice back without with while still feeling like

a normal person or whatever that means still feeling good in my body.

Right. So you didn't need to be outside all day. You could. Yeah,

mix. Mix it up a little and you were recovered enough to be able to.

Yeah, exactly. Feel good. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And

of course, I was doing. I was starting my homeopathy journey

at the time, so I was like, combining those two, and in a

couple years, I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, I. I feel like I can

show up. I feel normal, you know,

from. For me. And. And.

But I was like, I had. Throughout

those two years, I had spent so much time outside in

nature, living more rurally and removed from

living in. In a more urban environment.

And I was like, I can't actually

go back to that. My body wouldn't let me.

It didn't want to do that. It was like, no, you have

to stay. And. And

I felt so much better. So it was like this whole

awakening to

living a totally different lifestyle, because up until, you

know, I got to New Mexico, I lived in a pretty, like, urban environment

and. And just thought, oh, and I know

it's really different now since. Especially since COVID

and everything went online, but I was like, oh, I have

to work a job and show up, and you have to be in the city

to do that, and I'm not going to be successful if not. And then

all that shifted. And so

I was like, oh, my gosh, I can do this. I can actually live where

I want to live, where my body feels really well

and feels the most regulated. And that,

like, immersion. That sunlight immersion therapy

I had for two years just opened the doors to this

whole other lifestyle. So.

And then, okay, let's weave in, because you also layered in

the homeopathy, which is a totally quantum

modality. And it's funny because I just did an interview, and now.

Now that we're talking, I think I'll. I'll do your interview. The week after

his. I just did an interview with a doctor

who's in the uk. He's been practicing for, like,

decades. He wrote a book in 1988 called Daylight

Robbery on how we weren't getting enough sunlight.

But he just. He more recently went down the quantum rabbit hole.

And he just was saying he was, like, always somewhat skeptical

of, like, homeopathy. He's an integrative physician, obviously not an

allopathic. But yeah, he was always kind of like, you know.

And then anyway, he's. He's done a deep dive on all

the things, including May Wen Ho. And he's like, now I see.

Yes, I see there is definitely.

And I'm like, well, if there's Homeopathy is there to, you see, is the

mech. Does the mechanism play out for telepathy and

intuition? He's like, I think probably yes.

Okay. I love it.

1988. That's. Yeah, yeah. He

was clearly following like the circadian research that was happening

at that time. Right. Like, because there was, when you. There was a

ton of research coming out that's like around the time they found the,

the SCN and all the clocks and everything. And so he was

clearly paying attention and he could

elucidate the benefits of sunlight even. Yeah. Even in the 80s, even though he

didn't know why. And now with the quantum piece, he can explain why.

But. Yeah. So anyway, all that to

say. I think I'd love to hear like, let's layer in the

homeopathy piece. Oh, I love that.

Equally as, as healing or, you know, it's hard to say

on a scale, but as sunlight therapy for,

for my brain. And it, it helped so immensely. Then I started, like, I

did a deep dive into studying that, went to school for it

and then when I graduated started practicing. I've been practicing

for over a decade and,

and I love this medicine. It is, it.

It is very much a quantum medicine for it's liter

of a substance in pellets or a liquid, whatever form you take.

And the, the results that I

had for my brain injury were like, oh my gosh.

Amazing, amazing, amazing.

And gosh. So I've been practicing

for 10 years and, and

have started a school which is now predominantly

online because most of my time goes cows and

cooking and so forth. But people were like,

please keep teaching. And I was like, yes, I will. Because really,

I'm not pleased with the programs that are the

education that's offered right now for, for homeopathy.

And I hope that will change. So

I also have an online program for

homeopathy. Amazing. And how do you, like,

how do you explain like, for a non. For a non

homeopath. Yeah. How do you see it

working from a, from a quantum perspective and light as well? I

mean, it all. Yeah, all in there. It is all in there.

I'm going to do my best to explain this so.

You can explain it as a metaphor. That's totally cool with me. I.

We don't have to get into. I just,

yeah. As I say, I just spent some time going deep, so I'm happy

to stay up high. You went down.

You went down into the. I was in the weeds a little. Yeah.

So let's go, let's go up. All right,

let's see if I can bring you out of that. So,

okay, so in homeopathy, people are always like, wait, is it like a

supplement? Is it a vitamin? Is it a. An herbal?

And the answer is no, it's none of those things.

It's kind of in its own category. You

have a plant, a mineral,

a metal, you have a

bacteria. And you take that substance, you dilute it

in alcohol or water for a period of time. It

depends on what you're making. And

then you dilute that, you take like a drop of that

substance, and then you do something, what's called

succus, which is just literally pounding that.

That remedy. And to make a. What's called a

potentized or activated remedy, you have to pound

it 6.02 times 10 to the 23rd

time. Okay,

okay, okay. So in

order to potentize that remedy

into a state that will. There's literally

the more. Use a cus. Or pound it. If you. When you get to that

number, there is zero amount

of the original substance remaining in those. Those

pellets that the original substance was immersed in.

So then you just have the energetics of that substance

on those pellets or in that liquid that you had just succussed.

This is why people are like, homeopathy is horseshit. There's not even anything

in it. It's just sugar pellets. And

I'm just like, the proof is in the pudding. I mean, it's just,

you can't deny the effects of this medicine,

but that's what makes it a quantum medicine, because you have

this thing that contains the energetics of the subst.

But actually there's no trace of the original substance

remaining in that remedy.

So. So that, in

a nutshell is. And people are like, can you, can you just make your own

remedies? I was like, no, you can't. Can you imagine, like, pounding

6.02 times 10 to the 20, literally? My teacher tried doing it

and broke his arm. And he's like, well, I'm not doing that again.

He's like, in his 90s now. And it's like, there

are actually some good uses for machines, and this is

one of them just to cause the

homeopathy revenue.

I wonder if anyone in Silicon Valley is making a robot for that.

Oh, I bet they are.

An AI bot that succusses your own remedy.

This is my homeopathy bot.

Oh, I think you're onto something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. And then once you. So you know, for

working out of a quantum framework, which we are,

the energy Is arguably more

potent than the matter. Yes.

The material. Yes. And you can, you can

succeed that remedy greater than 6.02 times 10 to the 23rd.

And, and the more you do the, the, the more potent

that remedy is. Which we wouldn't think that we would

think like, oh, you know, the lower, the

more potent. No, but the more you actually succuss that remedy,

the more energetics of that substance, the

more potent that gets and the,

the stronger the effect that remedy will have in, in your body.

And so I don't want to say that like the higher, higher

potencies are better than the lower. They

just do different things. The more you use a cuss that they have different

healing capabilities. Like the higher

potencies you definitely want to use for things like head

injuries and mental emotional struggles. The lower

potencies you want to use more for like joint pain

and like physical issues. And let's say you get stung by

a scorpion or a bee though, that's when the lower

potencies, you know, work its best. And then the

higher ones are like panic attacks,

depression, head injuries,

intense pain after an injury. Let's say you drop like a block

a brick on your foot or something. And like

so they have, they both have their own roles,

but very. It's, it's interesting that the more you succuss

it, the like more

intense health issues it can successfully

address. And is that what

happened with your traumatic brain injury?

Yeah, it's really interesting because I had taken

Arnica Montana. It's probably the most common

homeopathic remedy. Moms give it to their kids like candy when

the kids are little and they fall and she's like, oh, take Arnica, take Arnica.

Right. And so usually we give it in like a 12C or a

30C. And so when I had my head injury, I was like, oh, I'll take

some Arnica. And I think I took like 30C, 200C.

And it wasn't until I learned about these higher potencies, which you

cannot buy. You can't walk into a store and buy them. You have to buy

them from an online pharmacy. And I took like a

10m 50m, which is a very, very high

potency in homeopathy. And, and that's what

turned things around for me. So I had the right remedy, I just

didn't have the right potency. Right,

yeah. So you were giving the,

on the one hand the homeopathic frequency and then on the other hand

the sunlight was like feeding your body to

be able to work with whatever.

No. How do you describe Sort of how those things. Yeah,

I think. How do you think about it? There's, there's an

article that I think it's really easy to find.

I think it's the effects. It's. It's like how

homeopathy affects the electron spin rate of.

And, and so there's a great article on that.

And so this is what I

think really helped. I think this, you can apply this to any

disorder. But with regard to my brain healing, it

totally changed how the electron spin rate in

my brain, in my mitochondria, and then I added the sun in there, which came

in and added the healing effects of red light, of UV light, of

uvb, and my brain just like

soaked all that up like, like a sponge. I was sleeping better,

I had better energy. My panic attacks went away.

It was, it was like this whole. It was this.

I. I can't even. It was just very

synergistic how they work together. Yeah, yeah.

And transformative. I mean,

it's really incredible because you are such a high energy person. I

know, me, like, trying to. No, I

can't sit here and read. Like, I love reading.

I read every day. But like to lay on the couch and read like

all day, it was just like I was ready to. Oh, my

God, I was. It was so hard.

Right? Because this sort of, this brings us into where you are now.

Like, given your full energetic capacity, you choose

to do things like start a regenerative farm.

I have to say, I don't know what, you know, for my

constitution, I'm like, oh, boy. Heather, I

don't know what you and Jen are up to. That's a lot of cows.

I think one time we were on a zoom and there were like baby pigs

in the mud room. Oh, yeah,

that's right. Yes. Yes. My God,

I forgot about that. Yes. You were like, yeah, they were getting

out of the pen, so we got to keep them inside till they get big

enough. Yeah. And there were four

baby piglets in our mudroom in this like, animal feed

trough. And I just like throw in scrambled eggs and, you know,

they were like, housing it. They loved it. I

bet. Yeah. So, like, walk us through,

you know. How do you, how are you even. How do you describe

regenerative farming as opposed to, you know,

just being organic or something like that? And

it's my understanding that regenerative farming

is really like the key to the future of agriculture

is my limited position. But I'm not like, I don't know

a lot about it. That's just my impression So I wanted to get into it

with you. Yeah, I think this is a great question, because

I think it's like back in the day, we were like, organic,

organic, organic. And this is the thing. And

then suddenly, very recently, this

whole regenerative movement came in.

And instead of organic being here, we now have, like,

organic here and regenerative definitely

here. And so

the standards are much, much different

for regenerative versus organic. Like, if you have the

choice, an ability to choose between

organic beef and regenerative beef, you

want to go with regenerative. And I'll break down

why. So, okay. So

regenerative is. Is unique in the sense

that it involves animals. So organic,

you don't necessarily need to involve animals. Okay. They don't even have

to be part of the equation. Regenerative, you

have animals on a piece of land,

and that piece of land is broken up into parcels,

and the animals stay in one parcel for a

day. It depends on the farm. A few days,

they eat the grass, the forage there,

they defecate on it, they stomp on it,

and then the farmer moves the

animals to the next parcel. And so they're not allowed on

that other parcel that they just stomped on and ate on and defecated on

for a minimum of a few months

in an ideal situation, a year or two. And

so as that land rests,

it regenerates. There's more life that comes

to the land. There's more native grasses that are able to grow from that

soil. The root systems are able to deepen

down into the soil, preventing erosion. That's causing

all of the basically, Big Ag causes so much

erosion in the soil, we're losing our topsoil, which means

the food we eat doesn't contain as many

minerals or vitamins and nutrients as. As it once did.

So with regenerative. So you can, you can have animals on this

piece of land, like one of these parcels, for forever, and they could still be

organic. If you're feeding them organic feed, you're not spraying anything.

It's organic. But we're not considering the soil. We're

not considering the biodiversity that that comes in and

happens in regenerative. We're not

considering the health of the animals. They need new land. They.

They need to be rotated for their health

and, and. And so forth. So,

so that's a huge aspect of regenerative, is this movement

of animals throughout different parcels

to not only allow the animals to be

healthier and get fresh forage as they move, but also

to regenerate the land, to heal the topsoil

to rebuild the nutrients in the soil.

So from a nutrient standpoint,

organic is. Is. Is down here now

because we're not restoring the topsoil, we're not

getting that mineral input that we are with regenerative.

And so everyone's always like, oh, well, our food doesn't

contain the minerals it used to and the nutrients.

And I don't fully buy that, especially with regenerative. That's

why I'm a big fan of that. And. But also,

we, if we remember the period of the Dust bowl and

how much, you know, topsoil got displaced during that time as

well. I think this has always been a struggle of, of our.

Of our world is how to. How to maintain the

topsoil. And I think we're in a place right now

with people becoming more aware of regenerative and what it

actually does to help. I don't know about

solve, but definitely improve that issue.

That's a small snippet on the, on the difference.

Also. Regenerative, the animals have to be outside. You can't like, fake it

like organic. You can keep organic hens

inside, all crowded. They don't get access to outside,

and they're considered organic eggs. You can't do that. You can't

like, fake regenerative. You can't put them on like Astroturf and keep them.

I mean, at least not yet. Who knows what they'll think of. But, you know,

it's like, yeah, yeah, so. So

you are so regenerative. You are

like, just by nature of what that means getting food

and animals that were grown under sunlight. Yes,

yes. Grew up under sunlight, ate food that was grown under

sunlight. Exactly, exactly. Yes.

And the amount of wildlife that also returns

to these landscapes that are

regeneratively farmed is insane. Like the bird populations, the

bee populations that are returning. Because once you let

that land rest like this mimics what. What the bison

did, you know, before we went and

slaughtered them, because the bison would just.

They would roam. They would roam and there was like heaps of

these antlers. The deer and the antelope roam. Right,

exactly. Exactly. And so then all these wild grasses would

come and grow and the wildlife would come and grow. And after the

bison moved on because that land was so

lush and rich and nutrient dense. And

so we went way away from that with, with

conventional farming, big ag and. And

feedlot farming. So this is

an awesome time in the world for

regenerative farming. And it's like the timing spot on

because we're in serious trouble. But this is a

huge, A huge. Can

help correct the issue for sure.

Okay, so this is super cool. So you

and your wife decided to actually put this into

practice. So listen, I,

I have all the respect in the world for people who just, like, do stuff,

right? It's like I could, I've watched a documentary on regenerative

farming. You have created a regenerative farm.

Listen, I'm not even. Why.

When I was like, let's. I was like, let's buy a

dairy cow. Because this was during COVID

Because they're going to take my favorite food away. Butter.

And so literally my impetus was, let's just

get a dairy cow and we can have our own source of butter. So naive.

So,

so no idea what I was getting into. I didn't

even know what regenerative meant when I got the first cow. I literally had

no idea. And he got her and I was like, I

started doing all the research and I was like, oh, my God.

It all starts with one cow. It starts with one. And I

will say, if you want a cow, you do not buy one cow. Because

that cow will not shut up. It'll move and it'll move

and it'll bother your neighbors and they'll say, what's wrong with your

cow? And you'll be like,

they're herd animals. She needs friends. So now here

come all the freaking cows.

This is how it started, to be honest. Here's

our regenerative plan and we're going to have this real nice, you know, laid

out. No, we didn't even.

We just wanted some real butter. Yeah,

that's how it started. And now I love it. We're

totally into it and we live in the desert, so

there's no like dairy cows here. It just wasn't really a thing

ever. I mean, so now we're

ordering bull semen online

so we can have unbaxxed, non antibiotic

treated Jersey A2, A2

protein cows as our herd.

Because you literally. They just don't exist around here. So

I'm telling you, it's become a whole thing. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm

gonna have to follow. Have some follow up questions.

What happens after the bull semen arrives in the mail?

Yes, we are. Of course, we're, you know, we're

lesbians, but we're, we're. The semen is for our cows,

Not for us, not for our cow.

Noted. Note. So

it's a whole thing. You need a cryo tank. You need, you need

to store it in this cryo tank. And

my wife was. Was a midwife in her past life. So she

has like, of course, she never delivered a calf.

So it's like we went down this whole rabbit hole.

But we, We've. Right now we have a vet

teaching my wife how to inseminate because I'm, I'm not. That's not

like, on my to. There's like, no, no fridge too

far. I'm all set with her. I'm out.

But that comes and he hurts the straw

right now, Jen, how to do it. And.

And at first, you know, to impregnate a cow.

Most people who do AI with artificial insemination with the

cow, they give them all these hormones so they

know exactly when they're ovulating. And our

vet initially was like, listen, we have to do

these hormones before we inseminate her. And we're like, oh, no, we

don't. We don't, because we know when she's ovulating.

Like, she moves incessantly. She jumps the fence

looking for a bull, which we don't have.

She's absolutely unbearable. And

we're like, we know. He was convinced he would

not come and do it because he was convinced we did not know when she

was ovulating. We were like, we're women and we

can. If you. Cow ovulation fluid is like, so.

Or like, oh, dude, she's ovulating. He's like,

fine. And he came, like, to spite us. And it's every single time

he's like, huh, she's in heat. We're like, no,

we know.

So it's. The

learning curve has been steep, but, but very. And rapid.

It always is, especially with

cows. Lots of them. So did she have. So. But she

did have a baby. Oh, that's right. Because we were going to do our interview

and then we had to change. It because you guys were birthing a cat.

Yes, that's right. Yes.

I'm like,

so how's the baby? Oh, my God. She's. She's a

spitfire. She's great. Oh, my gosh. She runs and she

bucks and she kicks and she eats all the milk and she's.

A lot of people separate their calf and cow as soon as the calf is

born, but we do not do that. We keep the calf.

Cow together. It's like watching them bond

is. Is like, if you think cows are just like, dumb animals, they

are so smart. They're so connected. They're so,

like, family oriented. They.

They're. They're incredible beings and,

and very stubborn also. And.

But you know, they're, they're amazing. And so

the calf is, is doing great. Her name's Georgia. We call

her Little Wheat Thin because she's so tiny still.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and we

just impregnated. We just did AI on our, on our. One of our other dairy

cows. So she'll be due in July. So.

Yeah. That's amazing. Okay, so,

so tell me, you know,

I'm not actually coming to you with this, but hypothetically, if I was coming

to you with a plan to start a regenerative farm, I

like to go to the farmer's market and support

other farmers, but I'm myself, I'm not a farmer.

So. But I would like to know, like, how, like, what would your advice

be now that you've done this? And, and is it something that,

you know, people could just do, like maybe when they've retired

or, or is it like a real. Does it, is

it take over your life in a way that you wouldn't recommend that, like just

all your thoughts. It doesn't have to

take over your life if you don't get milking animals.

We have dairy cows, which they have to be milked every morning. So,

okay, either we. You by me or,

or by somebody we train, you know, one of our farm hands,

which is, it's not high on most people's

priority list, but if it's high on any of your priority lists, feel free to

send me an email. Anyone would like to intern.

Yes, the dairy cows. Heather's accepting applications.

Okay. That's right. Yes.

So but if, let's say you wanted beef

cows or, or you wanted

a flock of, of chickens or you

wanted to raise sheep for, for meat or

fleece or whatever, you can have a life

outside of farming. When you

make any of those other choices than the dairy sheep or cows,

you can't milk the cows. You can just leave out in the field. And

you know, to rotate them is very easy and somebody will, will

be very happy probably to help you with that versus milking a cow. It's much

more appealing. So,

yeah, you can, but my advice would be, is

to never just get one animal. Because

most ruminants, they have four stomachs.

Cows, sheep, goats, they

need a herd. That's their prey animals. This is

how they feel safe. It's how they protect themselves.

It's how they regulate themselves. If you just

have one, they don't do well. It's very

stressful for them, actually, and it's more stressful for you.

People say, oh, well, now that you have More cows? Is it more work? It's

actually not. It's actually a lot easier

because they know how to take care of themselves in many regards.

So don't just get one. And unless

you're like a homebody, like I am, and you

don't care about leaving your home too much, don't get

a milking animal.

That is a daily commitment. Daily commitment. And they're not

like, oh, it's Sunday, I won't. I'll hold my milk in today.

If you're five minutes late, they'll start mooing and let you know, like, get

down here.

So great. And so is the main,

is the. Main principle of regenerative. This,

the idea of moving them around so that they

help the, you know, the animals. Because

there's. Sorry, I'm going to start over. There's this narrative, right, that like,

we, we should not. We should have fewer cows in the world because they're,

they're rooting the land, right. They're eating everything and they ate fart. And

whatever else people are saying, oh, it's so good. Yes. However,

what regenerative farming says to, to my understanding is that

actually if you move them around and only leave them, as you just explained, on

each part of the land for a short period of time, it actually

helps the land. So is that the,

is that the. Kind of main

directive of regenerative farm is like, move your animals around?

Yes, yes, that's the main.

And regenerative, because it regenerates the land, it

regenerates the soil. And, and I think it's a good

topic to just touch upon is that

the amount of methane released from cows

is totally negligible. Now if you're

talking about a feedlot, like, yeah, these should, they should not be in existence.

They're, they're horrible for the cows. They're feeding them horrible things.

They can't move. You know, it's, it's, it's like,

it's just a bad environment for, like, if we're talking about environment, that's the,

that's like the worst environment a cow could be in. And they

have these feedlots for pigs and chickens and sheep. And so

this, if we're looking at it from

a carbon emissions standpoint, yeah, those aren't great,

but there's a lot of other things that we should look at.

Or even then the feedlot animals that are a lot more detrimental

but regenerative. So the carbon emissions are like, oh, the

carbons is escaping into the atmosphere and it's, it's you know,

it's not sequestered into the earth. Well, with

regenerative, there's even been some great studies done

already about how regenerative

actually sequesters carbon, stores

carbon into the earth, so it's not escaping and causing

these greenhouse gas effects that the

cows are being blamed for. So when we

farm regeneratively, and even by you and everyone

else, just simply buying regenerative when you

can is making a huge difference

in so many ways. So.

Yeah, right. Yeah. I mean, it's so funny. It's like we

completely degrade the

natural order of things and then blame the animals.

Like what? Yeah, exactly. Okay.

It's our factory farming that's causing the problem. And even then,

as you said, on the list of problems. So

how would one, how do you recommend that people find

food from regenerative farms? Can you, you know, like, farmers

markets? Can you order it, get it delivered to your house?

Like, yes, all of the suggestions. Okay.

All of the above. You can order it. There's so many amazing

farms that ship now. Lamb,

beef. Absolutely. You can order it

online. And more and more people are, you're seeing this more and

more at, at farmers markets also, because a lot of farmers

have been doing this for forever, but there was never a

name for it. Yeah, they're like, so this is just having a farm. What are

you. We moved our cows since

forever, and now it's like a

trendy thing. But it, it's a good trend. I, I, this

is good. It's very, it's very positive. So now people are like, oh, yeah, this

is regenerative. Because. But they've always been doing it that way.

So I would ask at

your farmer's markets also, like, you know,

and definitely if you have a, the option between regenerative or

organic, I would do regenerative for sure.

Or, yeah, that's what I would suggest. But

it's more and more accessible. The thing

is, is they're getting kind of like they're catching on with the marketing. And

I saw this thing in Whole Foods the other day of, like, regenerative flour,

like, like wheat flour or something, and I was like,

well, typically you can't really have, like,

regenerative flour. It has to be an animal

or a milk product. So

if you see things like, on vegetables that are, like,

regenerative, I would raise an eyebrow. Now,

biodynamic for vegetables, maybe,

but regenerative, don't, don't let them trick you with

that. Okay. Yeah. Because the wheat

just grows from the wheat field. So it's not. Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe

the. Can be organic, but. Yeah,

that's a hard sell. That's a hard sell. Okay. That's a tough one. Yeah.

What are. What are some other things that,

you know, that we can be thinking about when we buy our food,

when we source our food? Because I know, you know, most of the audience here,

obviously, we make a. I would probably say everyone listening

eats real food over processed food most of the time. I mean,

whatever. Unmaked spaghetti sometimes. Sue me, but.

Good for you. I'm about it. Yeah.

But just. Yeah. Like, in general, we're buying our dairy and our

eggs and our meats and our cheeses.

What are your thoughts on where things are right now? Like, there seems to

be. I mean, I'm in the state of New York and

there's actually quite a lot of really cool. Oh, man.

Independent. Yeah. Producers of all kinds of foods.

Yeah. Which is fun. And are there

organizations that bring people together? I don't know. Just sort of like, what are your

thoughts on. On finding the best food, sourcing the best food?

This is a good question. I think grocery stores might become a little

obsolete. I

would say that

if you can buy from. From farmers or farmer or

like your. Your neighbor down the way. I love New York because I

always have freaking vegetable stands and maple syrup and it's like,

oh, I missed that we don't have that here.

But I would buy as much as you can from farmers in

your area and from

farmers who have online stores.

And of course, yeah, you have the shipping, the packaging. But if we're talking about

the quality of food, typically,

unless your grocery store offers like a lot of local

options, you're going to get

for. For health benefits, much more out

of farmer, real farmers.

Because the hoops that even people have to jump through

to sell their product in a grocery store. Most

farmers, like, for example, like myself, we don't want to go through

those hoops, and we're actually farming to not go through those hoops.

And so the quality, the freshness,

the nutrient content, the less hands

touch that product, the better.

And so honestly, I buy very

little at the grocery store now, and I buy

most of my stuff online or from other farmers or

stuff that we grow. So I know not everyone

has that option, but I'd say the more you can.

That's what I would recommend. And especially if you're. I know that people,

like, really take a dump on olive oil. I love olive

oil and I would never buy it in a store. If you're somebody who loves

olive oil. I would look for online sources because olive

oil on your shelf, the grocery shelf, has been there for like,

who knows, years in that bottle. And if you get fresh olive

oil within like a year of it being produced, oh my gosh,

the health effects and the quality

is so much better than what you'll find in a store.

Right? Oh, that's interesting to know because there's actually a brand that is made

locally that's in, in my store. And I only know that because

one day that the owner was there or the owner's son was there with his

little table and he told me. So now I always buy

that one. Yes. That's awesome. I didn't actually

realize I was doing it to support the local community,

but now I'm like, oh, better.

And honestly, before I started farming, I was like, yeah, I'll pay

for organic food and you know, I'll pay the extra. But once

you start doing it and you see actually like what it takes,

there's like, you know, we

sell our, our raw milk for like $26 a gallon, which some people

think is insane and some people say is like, oh great. Yeah,

like the, the price of really what that gallon of milk

costs, that a 2, a 2 raw milk cost.

It's fucking. If I put $200 on it, it. Wouldn'T

amount for like, it wouldn't cover. It would

cover the energy and the effort and

like the non sprayed hay and going to all these efforts to keep

your cows healthy and not vaccine and not antibiotic them and treat

them naturally, it's like, oh my gosh,

like I will never complain about the price of, of real food

like ever again. And yes, it's.

If you can afford it, it is so worth it. And

the farmer is like now I know how thankful they are

when you like give them a few extra bucks for their product or

be like keep the change or like thank you for what you're doing. It's

like I literally cry when that happens because

you, you don't know until you're like right in the throes of that.

So tip your farmer. Yes.

Yes. How? Like just, I mean

the, the energy and the devotion that goes into. Yeah.

Into it and, and you know, the

regenerative farmers and you guys are really like

protecting our ancestral way of life

is what you're doing. Yeah, I so

thank you. Yeah, I hope for that so much.

Yeah. Yeah. Because I was,

I noticed like at our farmer's market, there's a farm and they

always have like a ton of Produce and they have little

signs explaining what it all is. I mean, I didn't know there was that many

kinds of onions, to be honest.

Like nine different kinds of beans and all these things. But they don't, it

doesn't say organic, but like there's still like

dirt on some of these. Like they just, and it's, it's local.

And so in my mind I'm like, that seems probably better than

going to the grocery store to the organic section, if

they even have one, which they don't always in this state. Yeah,

yeah, exactly. And, and most farmers, they don't want to pay to

get the organic like certification. Right. So it's,

it's highly likely that it's not even.

Yeah. Like I doubt they're out there spraying glyphate on theirs.

Yeah, yeah, no, I, I agree.

Yeah. So, yeah, I always just kind of wondered

about that. So I'm glad to talk to you about it, but it seemed to

make intuitive sense to me. Right on. Yeah. Agree.

Yeah. All right, so any last like words

of wisdom from your new, from your new farm life?

Oh, man. Oh, just, just buy from farmers.

That's all I could say. Like really get to know them.

You know, they're introverted, they're weird, they're usually all

outside of the box. They're, they're very,

they're just tend to be really good hearted people.

And this profession, we've been

coaxed out of it to move back to the cities

and, and, and, and put all, get all these

loans to get tractors and huge equipments and all these things you

can spray your fields with. And it's been totally taken

over by the government and,

and by more. I. Don'T

know, lofty professions. And so farmers are really

seen as lowly,

poverty stricken,

unintelligent people. And

what I can see from farmers who have been doing it for far longer than

I have, it's just the totally opposite.

If you have a problem to solve, call your farmer, they'll be like,

well go get this. And then you do that. And then right

there's like, oh my God, you know,

so buy from farmers. That's that you really know as much as

you, as much as you can. I love that. Yeah.

And yeah, I mean there's nothing like farming to be literally like living in

the moment of life, surrounded by life, supporting life.

Yeah. Like you never know what's going to happen.

Yeah, I know. I think about that all the time. Like when the weather

does something weird, I'm like, oh, I, I guess I'll have to. Oh, I better

check this so it doesn't fly. I'm like, what if I was a farmer, right?

Like this could be the difference between a crop and not a

crop. Yeah, yeah, it's,

it's crazy. Yeah. And it's true. I, I hear what you're saying. I was

watching. A Jane Austen movie with my

daughter Emma, right. And there was like, you know, the,

the characters that were sort of members of the aristocracy, but

the, the farmers were like a very, very

highly respected, you know, like class

of people. And this was, you know, what are we talking, like 1850s or something?

Right? Like it was like, you know, it was

a, a profession and a working profession. But I actually noticed

that in that film because there's some of the like interplay

between the classes and yeah, like farming, it was

like, oh, to be a farmer's wife was like a very,

like, that was exciting and it meant something and

it was hugely respected in the community. Yeah. And you're

right, we kind of lost. That and then

we've forgotten how to nourish ourselves as a result.

And, and so now I feel like there's

been, there's this whole movement towards now like, oh,

cooking outside and like cooking with meat and like this

whole nourishment piece, not just for the land but for ourselves is

coming back in. And

most people today are really deficient just because

they weren't raised in a way that was like,

here's this bounty of food. You know, it's,

it's just, it used to be part of our culture and now

it's like, oh, let's quick heat up this can of soup

and like this pre made thing and like get back to life.

And it's like, fuck. Life is like to sit down and

have this like huge meal and like courses

and maybe like some really good wine or something. It's like this is like

celebrating life in the land and like community and the people

you're with and like we can sit down and have a face to face with

people versus their phones. And it's like, man, we've

lost that and we've even judged that and said like,

no, that's, this is too. Oh, who has time for that?

Yeah, though, like, what's better than what you just

described? Yeah, like what is better?

It's like, oh, that is like the pinnacle.

Yeah, yeah, it's, it's something

that, yeah, we definitely do in our house

and our community. And I teach cooking classes in

person to help create and reestablish that connection

and environment and we host farm dinners here. And it's

like this whole connecting thing that

really brings people into the experience and

with the food and each other. And I think that's

a real deficiency in our culture that,

man, it's so fun. Like, everyone's like, I'm depressed, I'm

anxious. We don't have any connection anymore, you know? Yeah,

yeah. Go outside and then

bring potluck to a community meal.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I love that.

And now can people visit?

Absolutely, yeah. Because is the casita in.

In operation? It is, yeah. Still great.

Yes. Oh, that's where you are right now. With the fire wood

burning stove. Okay, so quickly tell us about that. This is available for people to

come stay. It's available for people to come stay.

We have been renting it out to. To writers, but it's

definitely open to anyone who really

enjoys a low. I mean, like,

there's no cell service out here. It's all Ethernet. It's like, it's

a really low footprint here in this, in the

casita. It's tucked in into the woods here on our farm. And

it's a really sweet space. Yeah. Oh, it sounds

beautiful. Okay, we will. There will be the link in the show notes.

What? Just. You want to just say the website? Yes, it's our farm

website and it's called Ojo conejo. It's oho like I

in Spanish and canejo like rabbit.

Okay. If you don't know how to. If, if anyone doesn't know how to spell

that, just look up, look up it online. Just translate it.

So oho. Yeah, like ojo and then conejo. Okay.

Yeah. So ojo conejo. And you can

book your. Your regenerative getaway. Regenerate

yourself. In Heather's

casita. That sounds

amazing. Well, Heather, it came. So nice to see you again.

Congratulations on everything that you guys are doing.

Truly. Thank you. Truly amazing and wonderful

contribution to the world. Thank you. Awesome to be

here always.